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Jimmy Clausen nearly perfect on Notre Dame's pro day

Quarterback Jimmy Clausen took center stage Friday during Notre Dame's pro day at South Bend, Ind.

In a 30-minute workout attended by St. Louis Rams Coach Steve Spagnuolo, whose team holds the No. 1 pick, Clausen completed 57 of 59 passes. Clausen, who left Notre Dame after his junior year, is widely considered the second-best quarterback in the draft behind former Oklahoma star Sam Bradford, who is expected to be the first overall pick.

Although the Redskins this week traded for Pro Bowler Donovan McNabb, they still plan to attend they private workout they scheduled with Clausen on April 15 in South Bend. As Rick Maese recently explained, we still believe the Redskins might select a quarterback in the draft.

By Jason Reid  |  April 9, 2010; 5:27 PM ET
 
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moo

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

First to say... How is JC going to go to another team & tear it up & get back at the Redskins for all the horrible things they've done to him... IF NOBODY WANTS HIM!

Posted by: tony325 | April 9, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Might be a matter of opinion:

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Pass catchers were intermittently extending vertically or reaching backwards to make the grab. On a number of occasions Clausen overshot his downfield targets. This is in stark contrast to the workout turned in by Sam Bradford, when receivers rarely broke stride to make the reception.

......

Clausen will now visit a number of franchises around the league as teams prepare for draft day. As the workout ended one could not help but think the Washington Redskins made the proper choice by trading for Donovan McNabb rather than potentially using the fourth pick of the draft to acquire Clausen.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/04/09/clausen/#ixzz0kdrhQd69

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Might be a matter of opinion:

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Pass catchers were intermittently extending vertically or reaching backwards to make the grab. On a number of occasions Clausen overshot his downfield targets. This is in stark contrast to the workout turned in by Sam Bradford, when receivers rarely broke stride to make the reception.

......

Clausen will now visit a number of franchises around the league as teams prepare for draft day. As the workout ended one could not help but think the Washington Redskins made the proper choice by trading for Donovan McNabb rather than potentially using the fourth pick of the draft to acquire Clausen.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/04/09/clausen/#ixzz0kdrhQd69

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

glad BBall is back..but hate'n the thought of interleague play again.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 5:43 PM

i don't mind it so much. moved to D-Backs country a few years ago, so interleague gives me a chance to see the AL East when they come through every couple years.

mike gonzales=worst closer in baseball

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

feeling like los...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Pass catchers were intermittently extending vertically or reaching backwards to make the grab. On a number of occasions Clausen overshot his downfield targets. This is in stark contrast to the workout turned in by Sam Bradford, when receivers rarely broke stride to make the reception."

I think Bradford is going to be a very good NFL quarterback.

Dude is accurate and has a strong arm.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The O's are, well, the O's, but have a nice position player mix--the Orioles lack the pitching right now to make hay in the division.

posted by MistaMoe

starters have looked great, i've been pleasantly surprised. the bullpen is still GARBAGE.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 9, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If noone wants JC by now that should tell you something!!!

Posted by: SkinzVA73 | April 9, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Gotta a baseball question:

Should Selig re-align the AL East so there's less of a crush on teams trying to compete against the sawx/yanks?

Tampa drafts well enough to compete, but doesn't have the money to keep its kids together.

Toronto is just simply having issues getting over the money/talent hump.

The O's are, well, the O's, but have a nice position player mix--the Orioles lack the pitching right now to make hay in the division.

Maybe the Rays/Blue Jays move into the central, and the Indians/Tigers move into the East.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 5:49 PM
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gdam good thoughts.. but, the holy grail of revenue for that division is the guaranteed sell outs when Sox or Yanks visit any stadium. Its almost eerie going to a Blue Jays game (im from boston) and higher volume of sox cheering and seeing more sox merchandise on fans than jays. Same I am sure with the yanks.. So, these teams are damned if they do split off (revenue) and damned if they dont...(small market team in a no cap environment).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

If noone wants JC by now that should tell you something!!!

Posted by: SkinzVA73 | April 9, 2010 5:57 PM

as far as i know not a single RFA has changed teams yet. love the use of the triple-exclamation point, though. really adds EMPHASIS.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 9, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

First to say... How is JC going to go to another team & tear it up & get back at the Redskins for all the horrible things they've done to him... IF NOBODY WANTS HIM!

Straw man much?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 9, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Clausen had a great pro day....Big who cares....we ain't drafting him. At least I hope not.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 9, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

As Rick Maese recently explained, we still believe the Redskins might select a quarterback in the draft.

By Jason Reid | April 9, 2010; 5:27 PM ET

You "still believe they might"? Way to go out on a limb, Jason Reid and Rick Maese. Can't get much more wishy washy than that.

Try to be more confident nebishes. Around here we say that differently: "We still believe they might take a quarterback in the draft. Book it!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Clausen will now visit a number of franchises around the league as teams prepare for draft day. As the workout ended one could not help but think the Washington Redskins made the proper choice by trading for Donovan McNabb rather than potentially using the fourth pick of the draft to acquire Clausen.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/04/09/clausen/#ixzz0kdrhQd69

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 5:49 PM
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Makes you wonder if the Skin's # 4 was a trade down strategy all the time (probably still is).. and the Skins just got lucky on DM approving the trade.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

What am I going to post about when JC is no longer on the team???!!!

How do I explain the 19 year drought in Super Bowls in terms of JC17???!!!

It's almost as if I'm a broken record whose only "knowledge" about football is that JC is not good!!!

As If I have ANY clue whatsoever what the Offensive Line actually does!!!

Did I mention, I'm an idiot???!!!

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 9, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

If noone wants JC by now that should tell you something!!!

Posted by: SkinzVA73 | April 9, 2010 5:57 PM

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

and how come nobody wants Albert Haynesworth, Marshawn Lynch, nor Brandon Marshall???

Is it because they all suck???

Like Jason Campbell???

Or am I just a moron who doesn't understand football, let alone trades, leverage, timing, etc???

You're a fool. THAT should tell YOU something.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 9, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If noone wants JC by now that should tell you something!!!

Posted by: SkinzVA73

Nobody wants lots of people, now, including Haynesworth. Most teams are waiting to see how the draft works out. The Draft is like Christmas, teams wait for the after-Christmas sales.

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 |

Former lead singer of "Herman's Hermits."

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan to the media: We'll still look at the QB spot in the draft, to develop a QB is still something we're looking at

Mike Shanahan to his son Kyle: Do you think there is any chance anyone bought that siht?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM |

Some dude who blogs from Tampa.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Nobody wants lots of people, now, including Haynesworth. Most teams are waiting to see how the draft works out. The Draft is like Christmas, teams wait for the after-Christmas sales.

Posted by: TheCork | April 9, 2010 6:21 PM
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and this christmas you can get 2nd round talent in the 3rd round.. so no one wants to part with their picks...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

clausen is gonna fall into the teens at best as far as draft order.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 9, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan to the media: We'll still look at the QB spot in the draft, to develop a QB is still something we're looking at

Mike Shanahan to his son Kyle: Do you think there is any chance anyone bought that siht?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2010 6:26 PM
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Shanny sold used camels in a past life....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Clausen has nothing to do with how he throws the football. The deficiency is in his leadership ability. I hope the kid gets some team other than the Redskins to pay him a lot of money, and then I hope he invests it well, because I don't think he'll ever get a big contract in the NFL again.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Here's something I had not thought of: if Rothliesberger gets nailed by the DA, then do the Steelers enter the JC sweepstakes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 9, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Riddle me this - what QB in this years draft has NOT nailed his Pro Day so far? They ALL have! Of course, they have since they are on their home turf...throwing to their WRs....without pads and without a pass rush.

Wait until they hit the big time....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 9, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

"Noone" will want Soup after the draft either. We are stuck with him. Donavan, please stay healthy. I would rather have Colt in the waiting.

Posted by: diamond_jim | April 9, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Noone" will want Soup after the draft either. We are stuck with him. Donavan, please stay healthy. I would rather have Colt in the waiting.

Posted by: diamond_jim

You WILL NOT be getting Colt WHEN McNabb gets hurt...you WILL BE getting Grossman....

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 9, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please call the strip club and let Big Ben know that there will be an announcement Monday from the DA?

Posted by: westjr88 | April 9, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If we are intent upon signing a QB - I'd like to see John Skelton be the pick in the 4th (if he stays that long).
That said, with this current OL, whomever is under center will be running for his life.

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please call the strip club and let Big Ben know that there will be an announcement Monday from the DA?

ESPN reports that he's been cleared. No charges will be brought: Story Link.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 9, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I'd also STILL like to see Jared Gaither acquired via trade.
How likely do you think a swap of 1st rounders (4th overall and 25th overall, respectively) with the Ravens for Gaither is? Might even be able to get a pick back in the process....

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Last thought: Have you all checked out this small school prospect - Jared Velheer? 2-3rd round grade. Could be a sleeper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZUoHh8gupE

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM |

A really bad golfer, to his friends.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 9, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Last thought: Have you all checked out this small school prospect - Jared Velheer? 2-3rd round grade. Could be a sleeper.

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 7:26 PM

Someone dropped his name on here a couple of days ago. Here some info for those who can't get enough pre-draft info:

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http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=86432&draftyear=2010&genpos=OT

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking that if Haynesworth is traded, it'll be for a high second round pick plus a player/late round pick, or a first round pick. Y you say?
Haynesworth is paid for, he is one of the best players in the league, and every passing day his position as a disgruntled hold-out will get worse for him.
This is kind of protracted but stay with me-seen it in action. The team he is on has every player except him in the team training program; if he is forced to come back he will be the odd man out with his team mates and will be forced to prove himself. I have seen this happen many times, someone resists at first but once they are forced to come back they are pushed to make the best of a situation like this in an improving organization, such as the improving 2010 skins. Even haynesworth will be pulled-in by the prospect of being part of something much better than his 2009 team. Once Haynesworth realizes he has lost the battle of wills but can be successful in 2010 defensive scheme he will play with more purpose. Need an example: Carlos Rodgers and his whiny b'tching became a player who was much more on-board with the scheme after talking to Shanny about his position and the direction of the team, evidently it takes more than talking with Haynesworth though.
This being the case he still has substantial value to the 'skins and will be more expensive to acquire as a result.
Remember, HE PRODUCED WITH FANTASTIC RESULTS IN TENNESSEE; every GM knows his potential and those in need will become pie-eyed at the prospect of a player so capable coming at a cap hit which is so small. Y not the lions?...is Suh better?
But, we shall wait and see...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 9, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"
Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM |

Some dude who blogs from Tampa.
Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 6:28 PM
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You rang

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

So, many have said we lost leverage to dump...er, uh...TRADE JC when we acquired McNabb, and I can't deny that. But wouldn't we have put ourselves in a worse position by trading JC first? I.e., wouldn't we be in more dire straits re a QB after we traded JC, allowing Philly to up the ante for DM? Just wondering.

Certainly an interesting offseason, tougher to condemn outright the moves made (getting DM) and contemplated (moving Fat Albert) - good arguments to be made for and against, vs. years past, when the moves were largely just plain dumbass head-scratchers, IMHO.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Today's predictions

1. We draft Okung
2. Haynesworth does not get traded
3. Campbell backs up McNabb
4. DT11 gets 800+ yds and 7+ TDs this season

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Good pitching duel going on in Yanks vs Rays

too bad I hate baseball

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Best of all possible worlds:

-We get #2 overall for Fat Al
-Get a 2nd round pick for Campbell
-Get okung
-Trade down for Berry plus 4th round pick
-Pick another OT
-Kemoeatu heals and plays NT well
-Acquire another NT by trade, FA, or draft
-Carter learns to cover TE's and HB's fairly well
-Jarmon steps-up as acceptable DE in 3-4
-Carlos Rodgers get's over his yeast infection and plays to potential
-Laron Landry googles "Double move" and prepares accordingly.
-McNabb continues to be McNabb but steps up in big games
-Everyone else does their job

Here's to hoping!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 9, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

If noone wants JC by now that should tell you something!!!

Posted by: SkinzVA73 | April 9, 2010 5:57 PM

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Lorna's cousin on her mom's side.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 9, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"We get #2 overall for Fat Al..."

How can this be the best when:

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In all the whining about AH, few folks have answered the question, "Who do you replace him with?"

The guy said he wasn't pleased with his conditioning last year, and wanted to workout alone just as A Carter is.

He never said he wanted to leave the team, the WAPO team insinuates this.

So why are folks beefing?

You want to move Fat Albert, and then count on A Montgomery, M Kemoteau, and K Golston place whatever replacements against the jints and B Jacobs in late December?

I say you ignore the media instigated sound and fury regarding Haynesworth as he is the best tackle we got.

So if the best thing is we move him to get a number 2 pick, how nice will it be when no player of equal measure is there to take his place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

You don't know what a nooner is?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Uh Moe, Carter is rehabing an injury, not exactly the same as working out by yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM |
==[====
he is my son, who was conceived on a lunch break.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth is paid for, he is one of the best players in the league, and every passing day his position as a disgruntled hold-out will get worse for him."


Where has it been printed or established that Haynesworth is a 'disgruntled holdout'?

The guy is following his rights as spelled out in the NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement where it says a player does not have to report to voluntary practice unless he wants to.

And Al doesn't want to.

Too, A Carter is not reporting, either.

Oddly, no one is discussing him in the same negative tones they do Haynesworth.

I wonder why when Carter's 11 sack total can be directly attributed to Haynesworth occupying 2 offensive linemen, and thus freeing both Carter and Orakpo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Ben Roethlisberger will not be charged according to a crawl on ESPN...

I'll say this...

If he does not get suspended, I will play the race card like the big joker in a spades game.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 9, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"Carter is rehabing an injury, not exactly the same as working out by yourself."


You're right.

The Washington Redskins, a billion dollar pro football team, don't have medical facilitates where a playerr can get treatment, then head to the film room.

(INSERT sarcasm)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

So if the best thing is we move him to get a number 2 pick, how nice will it be when no player of equal measure is there to take his place.MOE

I never understood all the people calling for haynseworth to be traded.

They say he didn't play enough snaps even though he was second on the team for Dline

They say he makes to much money, well we already payed him the majority of his guarenteed money so that doesn't help the skins.

They say they want a second rounder maybe two. maybe we could get real lucky and get a baller who would be a skin for life but most likely we will get one player that would contribute for 5 years but not of the caliber of AH

They say our defense slipped last year but I only saw two guys make consistent plays, AH LBF. Special consideration to orakpo, carter and hall but they would appear for one game then disapear the next

They say they want a winner but they think we can get there by whining?

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Too, A Carter is not reporting, either.

Oddly, no one is discussing him in the same negative tones they do Haynesworth.

I wonder why when Carter's 11 sack total can be directly attributed to Haynesworth occupying 2 offensive linemen, and thus freeing both Carter and Orakpo.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I just told you that Carter is rehabing a bicep surgery. That is why he isn't reporting because he's with a specialist.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

You are clearly trying to put Carte in the same category as Hayney when they are clearly not. Carter was excused until minicamp.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

After a full week of asking, we are still awaiting the possible players who'll fill the two slots in the redskins defensive tackle rotation should A Haynesworth be moved for a pick.

Presently, that rotation is:

P Daniels

M Kemoteau

K Golston

A Montgomery

(?)--Griff was released

(?) Haynesworth traded

So who fills those spots when you trade "Fat Albert"?

Move on, the guy has more value to us than others.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If it is likely there won't be a 2011 season, what are teams that draft this year on the hook for in terms of paying the draftees? Wondering if all this moving around of veterans for one-year deals is a way to get around whatever the implications are -- and no one actually drafts this year.

Posted by: Xlnt | April 9, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Carter is rehabing an injury, not exactly the same as working out by yourself."


You're right.

The Washington Redskins, a billion dollar pro football team, don't have medical facilitates where a playerr can get treatment, then head to the film room.

(INSERT sarcasm)

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:37 PM
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true..been in the Park.. its med rehab and PT equipment equal Inova.
However, he may have a rehabilitation clause in his Contract that allows him to use his own physician....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I know lets trade teams with the lions.

That way we can start over with young players and draft picks just like all the fans posting on here who enough sand in there vag to start there own private beach.

we will call it redvagskin beach and half the people on here will have a lifetime pass

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM

Someone who keeps calling my house. Or so my wife says. Should I be worried?

Posted by: Skins930 | April 9, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I know lets trade teams with the lions.

That way we can start over with young players and draft picks just like all the fans posting on here who have enough sand in there vag to start there own private beach.

we will call it redvagskin beach and half the people on here will have a lifetime pass

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"You are clearly trying to put Carte in the same category as Hayney when they are clearly not. Carter was excused until minicamp."


I'm engaging in purposeful hyperbole to make skins fans see what the WAPO's huffing and puffing about a trade of AH skips:

We ain't got the bodies to fill his spot.

We got a guy in Daniels who's older and must also play end.

We got an underachiever named Montgomery who hasn't signed his tender.

We got a guy named Kemoteau who might not be completely healthy.

And that's it.

And folks want those guys facing B Jacobs or M Barber in late December without Big Al eating up space alongside them?

Yeah, sure.....that'll work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

doh! stupid double post

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM |
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he is my son, who was conceived on a lunch break.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The nooner known as noone, whose Lorna Doone's first cousin?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Tampa Rays are an awesome baseball team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm down with the no trade of Hayney Moe. Just didn't think he and Carter were in the same boat.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

If it is likely there won't be a 2011 season, what are teams that draft this year on the hook for in terms of paying the draftees? Wondering if all this moving around of veterans for one-year deals is a way to get around whatever the implications are -- and no one actually drafts this year.

Posted by: Xlnt

No Collective Barganing Agreement means owners will not be on the hook for salaries. This year is an exception it was arranged before hand to have no cba if no deal was reached.
If no deal is reached by next year no nfl and no scabs either i believe

Interestingly I think snyder might be planning for no NFL next year with all these one year contracts of vets. Remember he was the only owner smart enough to take advantage of the uncapped year by gambling last year and signing DH AH to contracts loaded for this season.

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Who's "noone?"

Posted by: mack1 | April 9, 2010 6:20 PM

Someone who keeps calling my house. Or so my wife says. Should I be worried?

Posted by: Skins930 | April 9, 2010 8:47 PM

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sorry Mack.. last time I saw him, I said "Back".. guess he got confused..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"I'm down with the no trade of Hayney Moe. Just didn't think he and Carter were in the same boat."

I know they are not and you're right.

The McNabb trade changed my thinking about the team's direction.

McNabb coming here means we are trying to be competitive right away.

So you don't subtract from the defense when you've added to the offense.

No McNabb trade means building for the future, and that's the case, you trade AH, get picks of value, and wait for those players to develop.

Plus, when you review the skins' defense, you see the issues with the interior defensive linemen are the same issues we see with the offensive line: the lack of quality drafted and groomed starters.

Golston, Jarmon, Jackson, Wilson, and Montgomery we drafted: every other dude we traded for or added.

And only Golston plays.

We actually need Albert Haynesworth, even though we don't want to have him around.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I know lets trade teams with the lions.

That way we can start over with young players and draft picks just like all the fans posting on here who have enough sand in there vag to start there own private beach.

we will call it redvagskin beach and half the people on here will have a lifetime pass

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 8:48 PM
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good one.. and you know if the grains stay in there long enough..you get a pearl.
Everything has an upside...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Comments from Shanahan on trading AH as reported by PFT and Fanhouse:

"There is nothing to clarify," Shanahan said. "It is just speculation. He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.''

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 9, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"Woods Lurks on Second Day of Masters"

If Tiger wins The Masters, I wonder if his sponsors will 'hook up' with him again.

Ooops: maybe I should re-phrase that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder about the whole strategy Moe. We always want to be competitive and win games. The McNabb trade and giving away draft picks signals a win now approach but I wonder how much of this is a hedge our bets type thing because of the whole CBA thing. We need to get younger and I can't imagine that the front office doesn't know that. The only thing I can think is that Shanny is bringing in some vets and some people who know the system to get this up and running before starting the youth movement. This team has needed a serious culture change before it ever has a chance of being anything special and I'm wondering if that's what this whole vet movement is about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

"good one.. and you know if the grains stay in there long enough..you get a pearl.
Everything has an upside..."

Thats only if its tight and well kept. Those with lifetime passes have what I call the echo vag

Trade AH cut JC for nothing

Trade AH cut JC for nothing

Trade AH cut JC for nothing

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Comments from Shanahan on trading AH as reported by PFT and Fanhouse:

"There is nothing to clarify," Shanahan said. "It is just speculation. He's part of the organization. I am just looking for him to come in and work and be like everyone else. No, we're not going to trade him at all, unless someone gives us something we would have to consider -- that's pretty standard with any player on your roster. He's a pretty smart guy. He's really talented. I think I can get that out of him.''


Posted by: lifelongfan | April 9, 2010 9:06 PM |

The funny thing about that PFT post is that Florio tried to turn the whole thing around as if this ios some sort of confirmation that we are actively seeking to trade Hayney. Florio truly is a d-bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about that PFT post is that Florio tried to turn the whole thing around as if this ios some sort of confirmation that we are actively seeking to trade Hayney. Florio truly is a d-bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:15 PM

you don't think we're trying to trade AH?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about that PFT post is that Florio tried to turn the whole thing around as if this ios some sort of confirmation that we are actively seeking to trade Hayney. Florio truly is a d-bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:15 PM
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i think the writers are still getting adjusted to someone in charge at the Park that knows what they are doing, and how to handle the press.. ie..what to disclose and not to disclose.
Good example of contrast to this.... Exactly a year ago, Snyder and Vinny couldn't keep it quiet, for one day, that they were trying to trade JC...even down to the draft pick they were seeking.
What a night and day difference in operations.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"We need to get younger and I can't imagine that the front office doesn't know that."

Agreed.

They released 10 older or underperforming guys, and replaced them with older or coming off and injury guys.

They stiffed older offensive linemen who wanted to be paid more than they are worth.

They needed a linebacker who fit the desired scheme change, and got cheap when L Foote wanted to be shown the money.

They traded away picks to get a quality quarterback, and have sent passive aggressive signals to the incumbent that he's about as effective as wet toilet paper.

Shanahan and Allen want to win now, and will add linemen from the draft to play in front of the older vet types in the backfield.

We will score and defend and win 10 games next Fall.

That's their plan and it's obvious.

Is it a good idea?:

Maybe.

Is it what most skins fans want?:

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

you don't think we're trying to trade AH?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone is tradeable for the right price which is what Shanny said. I think if we were actively trying after paying him all that moo lah the media wouldn't know about it...and no I don't. Maybe before the bonus but not now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about that PFT post is that Florio tried to turn the whole thing around as if this ios some sort of confirmation that we are actively seeking to trade Hayney. Florio truly is a d-bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse
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I noticed that too, that is why I only pasted the quote. I hope they don't trade AH because I think they are better with him then without, but I hope this quote indicates that if they do trade him it won't be for less then market value.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 9, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Ben Roethlisberger...

"You got nothin" (with a Chicago Mobster Accent)

Posted by: rickyroge | April 9, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

We will score and defend and win 10 games next Fall.

That's their plan and it's obvious.

Is it a good idea?:

Maybe.

Is it what most skins fans want?:

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:29 PM |

Then when they have a new CBA they can get young FA's and draft picks and get younger and better.

The got rid of old players with bad contracts and signed old players to cheap contracts.

As they draft or sign young FA's they can get rid of old players with no salary cap hit.

This year was not a year you could go young because of the FA rules. The were already short picks, getting McNabb will let the team be competitive during the rebuilding process. Would you rather have the young QB that will be drafted next year learn behind JC or McNabb?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone is tradeable for the right price which is what Shanny said. I think if we were actively trying after paying him all that moo lah the media wouldn't know about it...and no I don't. Maybe before the bonus but not now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:32 PM

fair enough, but I'm not so sure. you've you heard of the concorde fallacy, same as sunk costs, loss aversion, etc.... the question isn't how much we've spent, but how much is he worth going forward. value translates lots of different ways.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

We will score and defend and win 10 games next Fall.

That's their plan and it's obvious.

Is it a good idea?:

Maybe.

Is it what most skins fans want?:

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:29 PM
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Right or wrong..most season ticket holders would rather win now..versus spending 300.00 per game for 8 games, to watch a rebuilding project..

There are payoffs and trade offs.. The cowboys did the opposite. The Herschel trade created an almost completely rookie Cowboys team of high picks but a terrible W-L record of 2-14.. However, it was the beginning of a dynasty in the 90s.
The Eagles may replicate this with their 11 or so picks.... A rough 2010 with blue chip rookies Starting and gaining experience...But a dynasty for the following 10 years.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

this cow has had 40 gallons too much to drink and has developed a stutter

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Is it what most skins fans want?:

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:29 PM |

I guarantee no Coach or GM gives a crap about what the fans want when it comes to philosophy or strategy. If a GM or coach ever listened to the fans in these areas they should be fired.

Fans watch games and cheer the have no true knowledge of how to run or organize a football team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

fair enough, but I'm not so sure. you've you heard of the concorde fallacy, same as sunk costs, loss aversion, etc.... the question isn't how much we've spent, but how much is he worth going forward. value translates lots of different ways.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

In the right circumstances AH is a monster and Shanny and Haslett are smart enough to know that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Today's predictions

1. We draft Okung
2. Haynesworth does not get traded
3. Campbell backs up McNabb
4. DT11 gets 800+ yds and 7+ TDs this season

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse
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I'm in! I agree wholeheartedly!!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

fair enough, but I'm not so sure. you've you heard of the concorde fallacy, same as sunk costs, loss aversion, etc.... the question isn't how much we've spent, but how much is he worth going forward. value translates lots of different ways.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

ecownomics?
are you sure the fans up here are ready?

I think they just want to shoot some bull.

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

"Would you rather have the young QB that will be drafted next year learn behind JC or McNabb?"


I'd prefer to have S Bradford this year, and M Ingrahm next year.

But I get your point.

The CBA angle you present is dead on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

In the right circumstances AH is a monster and Shanny and Haslett are smart enough to know that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:44 PM

fine, but can the D be ok w/out him? I'd like to see us beefed up elsewhere.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

"Woods Lurks on Second Day of Masters"


If Tiger wins The Masters, I wonder if his sponsors will 'hook up' with him again.

Ooops: maybe I should re-phrase that.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:12 PM
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Totally funny

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 9, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to change the subject just wanted to let the folks on RI know that i play NFL Head Coach on my PC and Carlos Rogers just had 3 picks in one game so maybe there is hope after all that we didnt waste a pick in a corner. HAIL SHANAHAN AND HAIL ALLEN!!

Posted by: wattsicon | April 9, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer to have S Bradford this year, and M Ingrahm next year.

But I get your point.

The CBA angle you present is dead on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:48 PM |

I could have went for the young QB this year, but only at 4 not if we had to trade up.

I'm still not convinced that Bradford is better then Clausen, but I guess it will be a few years before we can see how that turns out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

fine, but can the D be ok w/out him? I'd like to see us beefed up elsewhere.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

There's the million dollar question. I don't know the answer. I do know that they are better with him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

If Woods wins the Masters it will truly show how great of a player he is. The Masters is hard enough to win for a great golfer, let alone one who hasn't played in 5 months and might have his mind on something else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to change the subject just wanted to let the folks on RI know that i play NFL Head Coach on my PC and Carlos Rogers just had 3 picks in one game so maybe there is hope after all that we didnt waste a pick in a corner. HAIL SHANAHAN AND HAIL ALLEN!!

Posted by: wattsicon | April 9, 2010 9:51 PM

nice... (grazes on some more of the grass you've been smoking)

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

"I could have went for the young QB this year, but only at 4 not if we had to trade up."


This could've been this year's quarterback draft class:

Sam Bradford

Mark Stafford

Jimmy Clausen

Mark Sanchez

Jake Locker


Changes things, doesn't it?


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

There's the million dollar question. I don't know the answer. I do know that they are better with him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 9, 2010 9:54 PM

maybe, although it sure would be nice to see the O keep the D fresh. gotta put the calves back in the barn, late for you east coast types... night.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 9, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm still not convinced that Bradford is better then Clausen, but I guess it will be a few years before we can see how that turns out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 9:52 PM
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read somewhere, Leaf had a great pro-day and Brady's suk'd.
No rush, no pads, no play calling, no adjustment/check down under pressure....Nothing but pitch and catch.
I'd rather get a proven DM with the 37th pick.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 9, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This could've been this year's quarterback draft class:

Sam Bradford

Mark Stafford

Jimmy Clausen

Mark Sanchez

Jake Locker


Changes things, doesn't it?


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 9:58 PM |

Of course that would've been an incredible class and there would've been a lot of trades for teams to get up in the draft to take one of those guys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 9, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

let alone one who hasn't played in 5 months and might have his mind on something else.

Posted by: Flounder21

I actually think this is the first time in a while he is only thinking about golf. First time in a long time he has something to prove in the sport.

And tiger I'm sure was playing golf just not profesionally. You don't get to be his caliber and take that much time off without trying to practice reguarly.

Posted by: DG28 | April 9, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

This could've been this year's quarterback draft class:

Sam Bradford

Mark Stafford

Jimmy Clausen

Mark Sanchez

Jake Locker


I'd take Locker.

Bradford, second.

Sanchez next.

Stafford, after that.

And instead of Clausen, I'd wait for C Ponder the next year.

'Cuz this kid, Christian Ponder-FSU, is better than all of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I'd also STILL like to see Jared Gaither acquired via trade.

How likely do you guys think a swap of 1st rounders (4th overall and 25th overall, respectively) with the Ravens for Gaither is? Might even be able to get a pick back in the process....

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor to Jets.

Is this another Andy Reid-like move of helping out a favored player so he can make decent money before the lockout?

Posted by: Xlnt | April 9, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Way to many idiots both here and in the national media talking about how even DM5 will not be able to survive next season behind this Oline.

Just how dumb are people who think that Shanahan will not be upgrading the Oline this off-season. Now maybe he is not upgrading the Oline to the wishes of posters up here, but that the national media is thinking the same thing is just mind boggling.

Call me naive, but history has shown that Shanahan knows how important an Oline is to his scheme and thinking that the final 53 man roster will look like it does today is just foolish.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 9, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I hate Tiger

every time he was in town, I couldn't get near my favorite stripper

He's such a pig

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Is this another Andy Reid-like move of helping out a favored player so he can make decent money before the lockout?

Posted by: Xlnt | April 9, 2010 11:23 PM

Jason Taylor is an UFA. Fins have no say where he goes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I hate Tiger

every time he was in town, I couldn't get near my favorite stripper

He's such a pig

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 9, 2010 11:28 PM

She asked who was calling and Tiger said...noone...maybe it's your name?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"I'd also STILL like to see Jared Gaither acquired via trade."

Again: this draft is said to be deep in tackle type prospects.

If I'm B Allen or Shanny, I'm focused right now on a tackle in rounds 1 and 4, and some undrafted type linemen worth snagging in the hours after the draft.

So where making a move for Gaither might make sense, I think waiting to see what goes down April 22nd is a better move.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 9, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

So, many have said we lost leverage to dump...er, uh...TRADE JC when we acquired McNabb, and I can't deny that. But wouldn't we have put ourselves in a worse position by trading JC first? I.e., wouldn't we be in more dire straits re a QB after we traded JC, allowing Philly to up the ante for DM? Just wondering.

Certainly an interesting offseason, tougher to condemn outright the moves made (getting DM) and contemplated (moving Fat Albert) - good arguments to be made for and against, vs. years past, when the moves were largely just plain dumbass head-scratchers, IMHO.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 10, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

And instead of Clausen, I'd wait for C Ponder the next year.

'Cuz this kid, Christian Ponder-FSU, is better than all of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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But if Ponder's all that, and we go 8-8 (let's say), how much will we have to give up to get him in the top 3? Lots & lots.

I wouldn't be surprised, if both Bradford & Okung are available in 2 weeks, that the Skins take Bradford. Not saying it's the right choice, but I wouldn't be at all surprised.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 10, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Dad got his QB, Kyle needs his. Could be...

Posted by: Skins930 | April 10, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Keep Albert


Draft Akung

Trade Jason.


.

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

I hate Tiger

every time he was in town, I couldn't get near my favorite stripper

He's such a pig

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow that was weird, typed new post, hit submit. Old post showed back up

let's try again

mock draft analysis

#1 - Bradford 61%, Clausen 20%, Suh 19%
#2 - Suh 52%, Okung 28%, G.McCoy 19%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 53%, Suh 27%, Berry 14%, Okung 3%, Clausen 1%, Morgan 1%
#4 - Okung 38%, Clausen 37%, Bradford 19%, Bulaga 3%, G.McCoy 2%, Berry 2%
#5 - Berry 30%, Bulaga 23%, Okung 21%, Davis 5%, Campbell 4%, McClain 4%, Williams 4%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

She asked who was calling and Tiger said...noone...maybe it's your name?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 9, 2010 11:46 PM
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If only had Tiger told his wife it was noone on his cell phone

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 10, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Draft Akung


.

Posted by: edvar | April 10, 2010 12:59 AM


Looks like I'm not the only one drinking.

[sipping on some nice tequila]

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually glad for Tiger being in town.

Whenever he was in town, I knew at the strip club I was guaranteed to get the hottest stripper in the joint.

You know, since Tiger would be with the butterface of the club.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | April 10, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Who's Noone...You ask ?

Why that would be PETER NOONE...former lead singer of Herman's Hermits...
of course.

Posted by: petebowling1 | April 10, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

So when the stripper asked for NOONE, she got a TIGER by the tail (appendage) instead.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 10, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

So we get OKUNG, BALUGA, T. WILLIAMS rd1.

Pick up FS/ILB/OG-T/C rd4

Pick up FS/ISL/OG/C rd5

pick up lb/de/rcvr (return punts,kick-offs rd 7

trade jc 4th - FS/ILB/OG-T/C rd4

trade ll 3rd - ot/ILB/OLB/QB rd3

2011 rd1 og/T/ DE

rd2 OG/T/ DE/ NT/ ILB

rd 4 RB/ ILB/OLB/ RCVR (KICKOFF AND PUNT RETURNS)

rd 5 ILB/OLB/FS/SS

rd6 ILB/OLB/OG/C/OT

rd7 RB/ILB/OLB/OG/DT

SUPERBOWL FOR SURE

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 10, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Akung

Posted by: edvar
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Gesundheit!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 10, 2010 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey Tiger - GET IN THE HOLE!!!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | April 10, 2010 3:51 AM | Report abuse

I got a feeling Jimmy Clausen will gain traction @ #1.........

Hopefully....we can then find trade partners because bradford will fall to us....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey Tiger - GET IN THE HOLE!!!

Posted by: mikeysuperdons

That's what she said.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 10, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

HILARIOUS!

NFL Network just reported that Jason Campbell will sign his 1st round tender on Monday, and when they showed four highlights..."TWO OF THEM WERE INTERCEPTIONS"!!!!!!!!

LMAO...and he had time to throw too!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

RB LaMarcus Coker anyone? Won't be drafted I don't think, but could see him in Shannys O dominating.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 10, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I know....What if there is a way to trade all of our players away for 53 draft picks. This includes of course all of the 1st rounders and the top half of the 2nd round. I mean really, how awesome would that be?

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 10, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

HILARIOUS!

NFL Network just reported that Jason Campbell will sign his 1st round tender on Monday, and when they showed four highlights..."TWO OF THEM WERE INTERCEPTIONS"!!!!!!!!

LMAO...and he had time to throw too!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

If you enjoyed that....wait till you see this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 10, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. bout seems to stir little interest with fans"

That's because the fight is not titled "Clash of the Has-Beens."

Boxing, like horse racing, has no traction when it comes to generating fan interest any more.

The sport's continuing death is the result of the money grubbing pay-per-view events where the fighters get paid while the mass audiences get to look away.

It's sad that the sport that once featured the charismatic likes of Ali, Foreman, Robinson, Leonard, Arguello, Chavez, Mancini, Whitaker, and LaMotta has withered from the public eye.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...I saw that leevi98!

...looks like a franchise QB to me (sarcasm)

Posted by: rickyroge | April 10, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I guess that means "No" to Coker then.....

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Yep, that's quite a disparity between reviews, the Post vs Sports Illustrated. I'm guessing neither reporter attended the workout, but went on the eval of some scout who did.

Of course, Bradford will always look better in a workout than Clausen, because he's the superior passer on short and intermediate routes. Clausen's strength is downfield.

Still, there's such an emphasis among coaches on character and other intangibles that a guy like Tim Tebow is rising purely on strength of personality and a few crumbs of hope found at a workout. I imagine coaches WANT Tebow on their club and are not enamored of Clausen. Be interesting if they wind up going within ten picks of one another at the end of the first or beginning of the second round.

The thing about Clausen being well-prepared for the NFL ignores the reality that he isn't a particularly good fit for teams that play a variation of the WCO. He does have the experience playing under center, which helps some versus a QB who played his career in the shotgun, but still, it's an adjustment.

This is one of the better case illustrations of the very weird psychology that grips GMs and personnel managers in the final run-up to the Draft. You've got a guy with a serious shoulder injury going number one. A guy with all the prep that a team like the Pats or the Dolphins could ever want, falling back where they might actually be able to draft him. And a kid who basically played running back in college shooting up to the first round as a QB, based largely on charisma.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Completely agree Moe. Pay per view has generated a lot of money but by limiting the total exposure to the sport, overall interest has died away and the sweet science will become nothing more than a sweet memory.

Posted by: will_ga | April 10, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd also STILL like to see Jared Gaither acquired via trade.

How likely do you guys think a swap of 1st rounders (4th overall and 25th overall, respectively) with the Ravens for Gaither is? Might even be able to get a pick back in the process....

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | April 9, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

How likely is it that 'Moe will take a day off from RI blogging?

Rumor is that Ravens are not trading Gaither at all. The trade talk was supposedly Harbaugh sabre-rattling to get Gaither to come to OTAs, and it worked.

Gaither is a 24 year old proven commodity at LT. How often do you get that in the NFL?

I'd take him over ANY of the prospects in the draft without hesitation.

Posted by: p1funk | April 10, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

"How likely is it that 'Moe will take a day off from RI blogging?"

Et tu', Brutus?

I'll take the knife out of my back, and go back to the powerpoint is was making.

It's subject is, "Why I really do need to get a life and stop blogging."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I know....What if there is a way to trade all of our players away for 53 draft picks. This includes of course all of the 1st rounders and the top half of the 2nd round. I mean really, how awesome would that be?

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 10, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse


As awesome as being the Bengals circa 1991-2001...

Posted by: p1funk | April 10, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I'd take him over ANY of the prospects in the draft without hesitation.

Posted by: p1funk | April 10, 2010 8:45 AM

Save for Okung and Trent Williams....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 10, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. bout seems to stir little interest with fans"

That's because the fight is not titled "Clash of the Has-Beens."

Boxing, like horse racing, has no traction when it comes to generating fan interest any more.

The sport's continuing death is the result of the money grubbing pay-per-view events where the fighters get paid while the mass audiences get to look away.

It's sad that the sport that once featured the charismatic likes of Ali, Foreman, Robinson, Leonard, Arguello, Chavez, Mancini, Whitaker, and LaMotta has withered from the public eye.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 10, 2010 8:31 AM

That coupled with the rampant corruption and horrible judging have killed it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. bout seems to stir little interest with fans"

That's because the fight is not titled "Clash of the Has-Beens."

Posted by: MistaMoe

These 2 bums need to stop boxing...Did you see that fight or lack of fight. Any boxing fan on the fence will surely turn away after watch that BS. So it may be a blessing to boxing that many fans showed no interest in that bout. Now if Mayweather stop b!tchin-out and fight Pac-Man then maybe boxing can rebound. Assuming Moseley doesn't dispose of him first.

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 10, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Concerning Haynesworth, Socrates once said "No one errs or does wrong willingly or knowingly." Think Skins nation! Haynesworth have seen and have put the Skins, as an organization without class when dealing with players. He has the money, and not about to be treated without class! Once again, it is voluntary, not mandatory.

Posted by: abxinc | April 10, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. bout seems to stir little interest with fans"

That's because the fight is not titled "Clash of the Has-Beens."

Posted by: MistaMoe

Sounds like a couple former high school football stars longing for the old days. Either that or a couple of guys that really mismanaged their finances.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Despite its flaws, and there are many, I'll take boxing over that MMA crap any day.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Despite its flaws, and there are many, I'll take boxing over that MMA crap any day.

Posted by: mack1 | April 10, 2010 10:07 AM |

I like them both

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Beepo

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 10, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Count me in the MMA camp and add that sport as another reason boxing is dead.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Count me in the MMA camp and add that sport as another reason boxing is dead.Posted by: 1965skinsfan"

I dunno, some of those mixed arts matches have a creepy homoerotic feeling to them LOL...

What's 'dead' in boxing is the heavyweight division. Really has been that way since Ali. We've had some worthy champs, like Holmes and Lennox Lewis -- and the Mike Tyson sideshow, but no transcendant figure, or even the sort of ongoing rivalry between two big-time fighters that attracts the attention of the casual fan. The only heavyweight fight anyone wants to see at the moment is Klitschko vs Klitschko, and that ain't gonna happen.

This Showtime tournament involving a bunch of midweight types is probably something that might be duplicated using heavies, if you could find six decent heavies to compete in it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Anybody who saw Manny Pacquaio fight this year has seen one of the very best ever.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"Gaither is a 24 year old proven commodity at LT. How often do you get that in the NFL?I'd take him over ANY of the prospects in the draft without hesitation.Posted by: p1funk"

Not me. I think he's been a mild disappointment. But they only gave up what, a third rounder or something to get him.

Despite all the pub, Oher wasn't exceptional at LT during his stint there last season, either.

Wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie is still looking for the next Jon Ogden.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Here's something I had not thought of: if Rothliesberger gets nailed by the DA, then do the Steelers enter the JC sweepstakes?Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Not gonna happen.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 10, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

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