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John Palermo - New D Line Coach

League soruces said that Palermo, a longtime college coach with strong ties to Vinny Cerrato, signed a contract today to become the Redskins' defensive line coach. Palermo was most recently retired after spending 2007 season with Tenn. Tech. He has never coached in the NFL.

That fills out the defensive staff, which has been meeting with scouts and preparing for the draft in meetings this week led by new coordinator Greg Blache. The Redskins are expected to address defensive needs primarily in the draft, with defensive line a priority (needs at both DE and a 3-technique).

Also, former offfensive assistant Bob Sanuders will be joining his father, Al, in St. Louis.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 8, 2008; 9:39 PM ET
 
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Posted by: eleysium | February 8, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: dbcoley | February 8, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that they realize that defensive line is the priority this is a sign that they have some idea of what they are doing. As long as Blache signed off on the defensive line coach I trust his opinion.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I still think if Fassel was the guy there would be no need to take this long something else is going on.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Nick Giaquinto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedBee | February 8, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/04/norv_fired/

Man, it's funny to look back and see how everybody was talking (even the minority owner).

Man, it's sad that I'm sitting home on a Friday night reading the blogs. This link was courtesy of the Sports Bog. Actually, I'm home b/c I'm not feeling well.

Seriously. I have a life.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 8, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

chuck brown/its the dc lottery,buy a house for yo mamma...chuck brown for haed coach

Posted by: DLESMonday | February 8, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Mark Schlereth is calling us dysfunctional. Huh? Really?

For some reason he thinks that the new HC won't be respected by the players in the locker room.

Chris Mortenson thinks VinnyDAN has not hired Facile because of some negative reaction from the Redskin Fan Base. How can you possibly say the reaction was 'some' negative reaction. I'd say we are reacting VERY negatively. By the way, he thinks we are wrong.

He may be right.

Oh, by the way:

NICK GIAQUINTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedBee | February 8, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Must be an offensive minded coach. Otherwise, sign the defensive oriented coach (Meeks)now and let them participate in the hiring of the defense line coach. Either way, make a decision Danny Boy.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 8, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the Palermo news is a little late. I seem to remember posting this yesterday.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Must be an offensive minded coach. Otherwise, sign the defensive oriented coach (Meeks)now and let them participate in the hiring of the defense line coach. Either way, make a decision Danny Boy.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 8, 2008 10:05 PM

You're presuming that Danny has any logic at all involved in this decision.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I have a few molars I think I am going to pull and I am planning on watching paint dry this weekend to make up for the obsession I have with this head coaching process. I think I am going to remove my own spleen... not much better to do ... yawn.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | February 8, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

From the link above:

Since the marriage of the Redskins and FedEx in the $205-million naming-rights deal of their stadium, Rodgers has been an unofficial member of team owner Daniel Snyder's "Kitchen Cabinet".

This made me giggle. Wonder if Danny's charir in the "Kitchen" has a booster seat.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 8, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes, something else is going on. With all quiet on the homefront, there is another mystery candidate in play right now. Could it be Mike Singletary or Russ Grimm or Brian Billick?

Posted by: gilk | February 8, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you say about DanGelos, you can't say he's inconsistent. Head coaching candidates have consistently turned him down. From 2000:

"Snyder said defensive coordinator Ray Rhodes, a former head coach at Philadelphia and Green Bay, was not interested in the job."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/04/norv_fired/

Posted by: carver9 | February 8, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Anyone but Brian Billick...please.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

How about Mike Singletary ??

Posted by: vpar57 | February 8, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

18th!!!

Posted by: Stevida | February 8, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

another coach out of retirement that has ties to Vinny... can we just make Vinnie the Coach and be done with this madness...

or would that be the beginning of the madness... I mean more than the madness that is already happening...

oh this is madness

Posted by: Stevida | February 8, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping the Jr. Sanuders would be reunited w/ his father.

I think they make good...recruiters.

Hilarious.

D7

Posted by: PRutski | February 8, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy---how about Russ grimm...

What ?? Vernon Dean isn't available??

What about Alvin Walton??

If we just want a former Skins player...Someone get RC Theilmann on the phone !!

Posted by: cej75024 | February 8, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, Mrs Wiggins....can you get Terry Orr on the phone please ..

Posted by: cej75024 | February 8, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the new DL coach was last at Tenn Tech?? How far have we fallen when we're plucking coaches from Tenn Tech?? Man!

What ever happened to the DC in Chicago, Ron Rivera? Wonder why his name doesnt come up for every single gig like it did the past 2-3 years..

Posted by: castro123 | February 8, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2000/12/04/norv_fired/

Posted by: carver9 | February 8, 2008 10:12 PM

It's funny how the people in this story say that you need to be a motivator to win games as head coach. One player said that Norv was taken advantage of because he wasn't an in your face kind of guy. How would we be getting any different with the living fossil.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Yet another assistant, but no Head Coach!!! What are we doing here? "No, I don't want a driver for my car, but those tires look nice, and I like those speakers, can you give me a set of spinners, and some new floormats ect......"

Posted by: scowan | February 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

cej, bro you sound ridiculous......grimm is a good coach, would not be a nostalgia hire...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 8, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the new DL coach was last at Tenn Tech?? How far have we fallen when we're plucking coaches from Tenn Tech?? Man!

Posted by: castro123 | February 8, 2008 10:54 PM

check your facts Castro, I believe he has been at the university of Miami for some 20+ years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

An NFL source said that John Palermo, who coached at Notre Dame in 1988-89 when Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato was the recruiting coordinator, will be hired as Washington's defensive line coach, filling the void created by Greg Blache's promotion to defensive coordinator last month.


Palermo, now at the University of Miami, has coached in bowls in 17 of his 27 seasons. He coached Big Ten Defensive Players of the Year Erasmus James and Wendell Bryant at Wisconsin and Lombardi Trophy winner Chris Zorich, later a Redskin, at Notre Dame. Palmero was head coach at Austin Peay in 1990.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, not at Miami for 20+ years but there now, guess I need to check my facts too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Great -- a D-line coach who's never coached in the NFL. Maybe Vinny and The Daniel will reach into the high school ranks for the HC.

You have to hand it to Snyder: Four years ago he talked a legend out of retirement to rebuild and return professionalism to this franchise. Gibbs 2.0 wasn't as good as the original, but JJG busted his bum to put this team back on the right track, and he left with all of the pieces in place for this team to continue to progress.

All of the pieces, that is, except the two doofuses who own and run the team. Now, instead of a Redskin franchise that appeared poised to become a good football team, Snyder has blown Gibbs' hard work to shreds.

No wonder no decent HC candidate wants anything to do with this franchise -- if Snyder would destroy the good work of Joe Gibbs, imagine what he'd do to a Cower, Mora, Meeks, or Spagnuolo. And to be honest, Fassel is a decent football coach -- why would he want anything to do with The Daniel?

And why would any good player who really wants to win play for this franchise? Look for all the "core Redskins" to begin exiting in the coming years because, as good football players, they deserve better.

What a Mickey Mouse operation.

Posted by: tfirey | February 8, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

If Fassel, Meeks, or Mariucci are not named HC by Monday

If neither Fassel, Meeks, or Mariucci are announced as HC by Monday evening, I think all of them are out of the running and another candidate is in the mix.


Posted by: n6797p | February 8, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Cronyism at its best!!!!!

Posted by: hardhitter | February 8, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is that Blache brought in a guy for this position that he had worked with previously and was obviously comfortable with. Instead we get a Vinnyman. It appears that the two head jackasses have lost their last collective brain cell. (I had to retype and post this three times thanks to movable type.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

danvinny just want to be in the news throughout the SB and Pro Bowl. If they are not in the news, they are not happy. On Monday fossil will be named HC and danvinny will have had another weekend of publicity, even though it is negative.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 8, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, got it from JLC's post..

John Palermo - New D Line Coach
League soruces said that Palermo, a longtime college coach with strong ties to Vinny Cerrato, signed a contract today to become the Redskins' defensive line coach. Palermo was most recently retired after spending 2007 season with Tenn. Tech. He has never coached in the NFL

Posted by: castro123 | February 8, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry castro, maybe jason needs to check his facts, or what i found was wrong. I'll find out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

There is no way that this FO does not make a hire after Spags interview unless these guys are idiots.

Well, there is the answer.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

I checked up some and it seems that I was wrong, Palermo was with Tenn. Tech last year. Prior to that he was with Miami. He "retired from coaching" on Dec. 11 of last year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

wow....crony hire written all over this...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 8, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I'd really like to know what Greg blache thinks of this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to get too excited about a guy who has spent his entire career in college, and has retired once before. Not that he couldnt possibly be terrific, but... Have to think that Blache signed off on it though. I don't think that he's a yes man by any stretch.

Regardless, we should be talking about the new HC right now! Not a career college DL coach..

Posted by: castro123 | February 8, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that by Monday we fans will be so frustrated and ready to accept any HC, which will be when fossil is named?

Seems like the feeling is just hire someone already.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 8, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Tennessee Tech? Is he bringing Jeff Fisher along as HC?

Posted by: Xlnt | February 8, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ....... wake me up when the nightmare is over. "Dysfunctional" is an understatement when describing little Danny and his current organization. Go TERPS!!

Posted by: jhuterp | February 8, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

As will be Todd Collins...

I suspect there will be a Detmer brother on the roster in the near future.

Posted by: chris.lawless | February 9, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Two words. Nepotism... Rascalism.

This guy better know what he's doing. I really can't see Andre Carter and Cornelius Griffin and Phillip Daniels saying "hmm, I wonder what I can learn from this guy?"

Vinny Cerrato, you had me at hello.

Posted by: Dorf | February 9, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Snyder and the minority owners are meeting.

Maybe they are going to announce an IPO for Redskins, Inc.

The publicly owned company will be coached by a board of trustees.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 9, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

Redskins were unable to hire a Head Coach so Dan Snyder appointed himself Head Coach. He began studying Al Saunders 700 page play book today to be prepared for opening day. Because of the time required to learn this offense, Vinny Cerrato will handle all FA and draft related issues.

I can see it happening!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

oh... and 1 more thing... I think Fassel can take our team to the super bowl. Haters go ahead and flame...

Posted by: chris.lawless | February 9, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I freaking got it. They are going to cut Mark Brunell as QB and hire him as HC.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 9, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn first one signed. When he clears waivers, he can move ahead one space.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 9, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I am so very happy we've hired a defensive line coach. This is such great news. And I know it was news one or two days ago, but I've only now come to grips with how utterly fantastic it is.

And what a choice for the job! I've never heard of this person before, but good golly, I am thrilled he's on board. He is the last piece of the puzzle.

The 2008 Redskins are all set now.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Posted by: Dorf | February 9, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I have to admit this is embarrassing. I've always defended Snyder to this point. Sure liked seeing Gibbs back. Oh well. Is there any truth to this Scientology rumor? Is Snyder connected to it, too?

Posted by: olavsmith | February 9, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs needs to return and fix the mess he has made along with Snyder.

I truly believe that Gibbs thought Snyder would promote Williams and the coaching staff would remain intact aka "continuity." Snyder said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well, it's broke now and Gibbs needs to suck it up and return for one more year - he owes this to the players and fans. Snyder has made a mess.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 9, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I felt that way a few weeks ago and wished Joe would change his mind and come back for one more season, and maybe more. But one of the reasons I wanted that (aside from my steadfast belief that our BEST shot at making a run in 2008 was with Joe as our coach) was because I was not eager to watch Snyder conduct a coaching search.

Well, here we are, and we've endured this brutal coaching search, and I say we hire some dude and move on, start working on the roster, draw up our maps, and such as.

Joe's coming back now would only mean we'd have to endure THE SAME STUPID THING in one or two seasons when he retired again.

Ah, who am I kidding. Statistics indicate that whoever we hire is likely to last, what, 3-4 years? So we'll be going through this coaching search soon enough anyway.

Blah blah blog..

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Nate, you really think he'll last that long? What if it's Fassel?

Posted by: olavsmith | February 9, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

You're right, olav, 3-4 years is longer than I think Fassel would last, if Fassel were hired for this position, which I REALLY, REALLY HOPE IS NOT THE CASE (all caps to make it easy for our friends at the Park who are Cruising the blog for the pulse of Skins Planet).

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 9, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

hey everyone,
sometimes in these days of uncertainty with the coaching staff it's good to laugh.

TDawg's got the hook-up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRcVF40tvhc

A barrel of laughs are guranteed!

Posted by: TDawg | February 9, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

The d-line hiring smacks of Vinny, but you'd think Blache had to be part of the process. Blache is not the kind of guy who will sit still if he doesn't like what is going on. He was ready to retire before. He is not thin-skinned, but I doubt he will let people walk on him either.

I have a hard time imagining that Blache and Zorn would be happy with any of the 3 guys that are on the board.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 9, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs needs to return and fix the mess he has made along with Snyder.

I truly believe that Gibbs thought Snyder would promote Williams and the coaching staff would remain intact aka "continuity." Snyder said "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Well, it's broke now and Gibbs needs to suck it up and return for one more year - he owes this to the players and fans. Snyder has made a mess.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 9, 2008 01:09 AM

"Today's Washington Redskins roster is a testament to Vinny and the personnel department being an integral part of our team structure in identifying players, whether acquired in free agency, the draft or on sometimes very short notice as we made our way through the season," Gibbs said.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34053
And the other quote from Gibbs was Speaking from his home in North Carolina, former coach Joe Gibbs supported Snyder's move in hiring Zorn and Blache ahead of his replacement.
"If you wait until late in the process, in this case going after the Super Bowl, a lot of the key people will be signed up by different teams," Gibbs said. "Dan couldn't afford to wait or he was going to lose a lot of good coaches."
Gibbs, who has not participated in any of the interviews, defended the way Snyder is conducting the search.
"I've been staying quiet on the process out of respect for the process," Gibbs said. "Some people took that to mean I was disappointed. That's not the case at all. I want to emphasize that I think Dan has been very, very thorough. In the end, what's going to come out of this is that he's going to make a great choice for the Redskins."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/SPORTS01/950595422/1023&template=nextpage

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks leevi98 for your post. It still means something to a lot of us that Gibbs is still willing to back this mess up. My patience is thin at this point, but I'm going to try to give it time and see how it turns out.

Posted by: olavsmith | February 9, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

I thought Fassel was the man.

Marty Mornhinweg might be OK but again he has a future so will not be coming to the redskins. Even that moron Danny knows he will just use him for a big payday from a real team.

Lane Kiffen could be the hold up. Al Davis like most old farts lost track of inflation in 1976 so can't part with much money. He can't bare to dump Kiffen and pay out is contract so Dan is trying to get him. Kiffen has no future so why not come here and get a raise.

Redskins = Brothel

Come to my house of love and get a raise.

F U Danny

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 03:25 AM

Also some people on the blog who will remain nameless, gave VinnyDan a lot of slack on the HC search the last few weeks. Soma Yall, Even came up with some retarded theories on why getting the coaching staff before the HC was part of the plan.

You NEED to apologies to this blog for doing work, DAN should have to pay for.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 03:34 AM

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 3:38 AM | Report abuse

"I've been staying quiet on the process out of respect for the process," Gibbs said. "Some people took that to mean I was disappointed. That's not the case at all. I want to emphasize that I think Dan has been very, very thorough. In the end, what's going to come out of this is that he's going to make a great choice for the Redskins."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/SPORTS01/950595422/1023&template=nextpage

Posted by: leevi98

Ahh you already put the crap up here. Please do not repost the same BS.

Yes the FO was part of the process of getting players.

Like I said and others before Gibbs does not bath mouth in public. He would not even trash Lloyd. If you think Gibbs would run the search this way, put VinnyDan in charge, or thinks what is going on is a good idea you are not correct.

Why because he said Dan is being "Very Very thorough" and we know what thorough means. OMG

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

you all blog too much...so if someone already said this...i just dont have time to read throught most of the banter...but has anyone ever considered this alternative????

Greg Blache!!!

i mean if they cant select from the perceived candidates by now...they cant possibly be selling the playas on a coach with any kind of respect for being tight...

then what else could we possibly do to maintain any kind of respect for a coach but go in house and emphasize some kind of continuity...

this is beyond fuct!!!?

Posted by: steveconklin | February 9, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone here talked about how Spags might use any info that he learned in his interview against us next season? I am too paranoid? (Uh, don't bother answering that last question!)

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 9, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

The course of action that is beginning to get some traction as an alternative to Fassel is to bump Zorn to HC. This makes some sense. It appears he was hired to establish a version of the WCO in DC. The WCO would actually fit the Skins well. Many reports are that Fassel endorsed ZOrn, but Fassel has little history with the WCO personally, so what value added is he to a HC move largely focused on integrating a new offensive scheme. Some would argue that Fassel's been a HC and Zorn only a position coach. Fassel's record as a HC and OC does not end well though. QB and QB coach are dynamic positions of leadership on any NFL team, so Zorn possesses more leadership experience in fact than on paper. Fassel has a past title, but his experience is a minus and his value-added to a WCO initiative w/ the Skins is unapparent. Zorn is a rising star whose leadership experience is under rated, but whose value added to the WCO plan is what the FO is already banking the Skins future on. The Skins should alter their plan to use the weekend to build acceptance of Fassel and hire the man as HC that they're already invested in for the Skins' success; Jim Zorn.


Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

KEEP THE GARBAGE OUT OF DC...NO FASSEL.

Posted by: jamesrice | February 9, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone here talked about how Spags might use any info that he learned in his interview against us next season?

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 9, 2008 06:06 AM

Assuming that it was only Snyder and Ceratto in the interview with Spagnuolo, it seems safe to say that Spagnuolo would have learned nothing at all about football in general and about the Redskins in particular.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

So no Nick Giaquinto?

Facile had a terrible last year in New York, but was not terrible before that.

Part of it was the way it came up, and the bass ackwards way of doing things.

Clearly VinnyDAN is not THAT impressed with Facile or it would already be done. I guess that is part of it.

I am so frustrated.

Posted by: RedBee | February 9, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing!

TheCrickets007 wins the prize for the correct answer!!! lmgo!

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 9, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Does it strike anyone else as odd that the new DL coach was last at Tenn Tech?? How far have we fallen when we're plucking coaches from Tenn Tech?? Man!

Posted by: castro123 | February 8, 2008 10:54 PM

check your facts Castro, I believe he has been at the university of Miami for some 20+ years.


You are absolutely correct, and I don't have enough fingers to count the number of college players he sent to the pros. Good coach.

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 9, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

How many freakin people is Vinny tied too? Will we ever stop seeing so and so has ties to Vinny. I'm not sure which is worse his choice of players or coaches.

Posted by: dgcastleman | February 9, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

"As far as reporting, spoke to Brian Billick for a few minutes this afternoon. Just figured I'd check in with some other possibilities in case the Redskins had a dark horse . . . I came out of the conversation thinking he was not a covert candidate, but that was just my impression." (JLaC)

Utilizing Barno's "Modern Journalism and the Theory of Illogical Excess", it now seems perfectly clear from the statement above that Brian Billick will surely be the next Head Coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Crickets,

Thanks for those references. I clicked through to one of the reviews (ie, the negative one) of Billick's book and it said:

The Worst Coaches Book Ive Ever Seen, December 10, 2002

As an avid reader and student of leadership I read coaches books. These guys are on the leading edge of society and have much to teach. Unfortunately this guy cant communicate it. This book is so intellectual that its hard to imagine him communicating with football players. I knew when they won the super bowl it was a fluke but I had no idea his book would be this bad. Its the only book I went out and got rid of in twenty years. Save your money and buy someone elses book rather than this one folks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 9, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

T_E,

The reviews of that Billick book were definitely of the love-it-or-hate-it variety; definitely not much middle ground. It does make one wonder about Billick's relationships with players if strangers react that way to his book.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who might be wondering, Brian Billick comes from the Bill Walsh tree (aka The WCO) via Denny Green.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Strangely enough, Jim Fassel also fell from the Bill Walsh coaching tree, but must have rolled down the hill almost immediately.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

From Profootballtalk.com

POSTED 10:59 p.m. EST, February 8, 2008

THE CASE FOR FASSEL

With the hiring of former Giants head coach Jim Fassel to succeed Joe Gibbs in Washington possibly coming in the next few days, league observers expect a torrent of criticism if/when the move is finalized.

But would the criticism be appropriate?

Though some league insiders believed that Fassel would never again be an NFL head coach, a strong case can be made for giving him another chance.

In his seven years with the Giants, the team won two NFC East titles and advanced to the Super Bowl once. In his first season with the Giants, Fassel was named the NFL coach of the year for taking a team that had been 6-10 the year before his arrival to the playoffs.

In all, Fassel won 51.2 percent of his games. Under Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs, the Redskins have won 44 percent of their games.

Some league observers believe that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder is delaying a final decision because he's contemplating the possibility of making a so-called "sexy hire." But who's out there that would fall into that category? And what big-name coach would accept a job with both the offensive and defensive coordinators already selected for him?

And as we've previously pointed out, five of the final eight teams in 2007 are coached by men who have been fired at least once by another NFL franchise.

So fear not, Redskins fans. If Fassel performs as well in Washington as he did in New York, the 'Skins will be better than they've been over the past six seasons.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Billick's record as a Head Coach was 80-64 (.556) in the regular season, and 5-3 (.625) in the playoffs. He also led the Ravens to a Super Bowl victory in 2000.

In the statistical race of prior coaching records, this puts him ahead of both Fassel and Mariucci.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Vote "Yes" for Billick.

Vote "No" for Fassel

Maybe Billick can bring some of that superior Ravens' organizational professionalism down I-95 with him.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Palmero hire really smells.
> No pro experience
> Bloody retired
> Vinny pal
> Not the guy Blache wanted

Posted by: chris_zz | February 9, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

The Information Operation to hire Fassel has won over Chris Mortenson on ESPN who was flat out making the case for Fassel as the logical choice on NFL Live. Again, the FO is using the weekend strategically to prep for the Fassel announcement on MON and did not go ahead yesterday so fans had the weekend to get over and forget Spags.
Mark Schlereth made it a point that from a player's perspective the length of the search and the process employed has undermined the "buy in" the players will have in the new HC's credibility. Even if its wrong, the impression is that Fassel is Snyder's "fail safe" candidate. Players will not follow the "fail safe." Unless Snyder is not using the weekend for his Fassel information campaign and making one last attempt to give the moon to Cowher, he should make the move to shift Zorn from OC to HC. Predicition is players and fans will more readily commit to that selection and the integration of the WCO w/ the Skins will be smoother without Fassel's inexperience with it muddying the process.

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Here it is - the famous Bill Walsh WCO Coaching Tree.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d9/Walsh_Coaching_Tree3.GIF

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The famous Bill Walsh WCO Coaching Tree includes: Brian Billick, Jim Fassel, Steve Mariucci, and (by way of Mike Holmgren, but not yet listed) Jim Zorn.


Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout this: BUGES. 2 years and rides off into tghe sunset. Continuity is saved and Danny gets drama!

Posted by: scooty7s | February 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I now understand Creep Owner... I thought he was evil and twisted. No! Well, maybe. But, more importantly, he's simply football stupid. Vinny too.

The Spags fiasco was telling. Putting HC process on hold for 2 weeks for a candidate who is just using the interview as leverage to get a new contract out of his current team? Vinny's not on the phone with the agent 2 weeks ago sniffing this out? Only idiots get caught with their pants down like this.

We're doomed.

Posted by: chris_zz | February 9, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

We want Jim Fecal. He's the best man for the job. He will lead the skins to many 6-10 years under the steady hand of VinnyDan.

Posted by: fcknutz | February 9, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"The team's early success endeared it to the fans of Washington, D.C. However, after 1945, the Redskins began a slow decline. This was in part because of Marshall's tendency to micromanage the team. From 1946 to 1968, the Redskins had only three winning seasons.[10]"

Dan Snyder: are you paying attention?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 9, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

This coaching search is pathetic and so is Dan Snyder. We the fans, have no repspect for you as our owner. How much respect do your own players have for you? You buy their love, so that makes you a prostitute.

Sell the team so we can once again be a respected Franchise.

Posted by: cangle12 | February 9, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Coaching tree:
Fassel begat John Fox! Awesome! Hire the man immediately.
or,
ALI HAJI-SHEIKH!

Posted by: bmorris11 | February 9, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

While the Walsh tree lists Fassel, one would have to view him as a prodigal not living in the legacy of his fore father. To follow a branch of the tree with more WCO pedigree and success you look at a "Walsh son" like Holmgren who "stayed home" with respect to the WCO. Holmgren is a proven winner with two NFL teams and a Super Bowl victory. He has now passed the purer Walsh pedigree and the legacy of WCO success to Zorn. Fassel is a prodigal off in a distant land, but Zorn is a true WCO son with a bright future. Don't delay the success of the Skins future; hire Zorn as HC!

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Do not compare Snyder to Marshall! Marshall was a racist a$$. Plus Danny has more winning seasons in only 9 years.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I prefer to take a wait and see approach to this whole thing. Can we start a blog where people can sign a list if they are jumping ship so we can jeer them if the Redskins have any sort of success.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Fassel is a fool who wasn't good enough to coach the pathetic Ravens offense and eventually had to be fired by him best friend Billick.

Who is organizing the protest outside Redskins Park during his press conference?

Posted by: mattpearson30 | February 9, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I personlly think its hillarious that none of the decent, high profile coaches want to have anything to do with the Danny Boy. According to press, Spagnoula was advised NOT to take the job. What does that tell you? I have defended Snyder in the past, but this is the last straw. Fassel...?? you've got to be kidding!

Posted by: smith_j | February 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nobody has been able to coach the Ravens offense not even Billick I am not a supporter of Fassel but lets be real the ravens offense sucks no matter who is coaching it. If Billick is such an offensive genius why did he need an offensive cordinator Gibbs made the biggest mistake he could ever make by hiring an offensive cordinator you go to the second round of the playoffs and then hire a offensive cordinator that does not have the same philosophy as you do. Gibbs is in the HOF because of his offensive coaching ability the day he hired a cordinator was the day he packed it in.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Jim Fassel would be a horrible choice. He couldn't even get an interview for one of the many offensive coordinators postions available in the NFL. That being said the Redskins are ready to make this guy their head coach? Give me a break. Jim Fassel will be Daniel Synder's biggest mistake as owner and that says alot. Danny Boy please sell the team because you really have no clue what you are doing. If Vinny Cerato is so valuable then why did no team hire him when he was unemployed? You would think a man with his knowledge would have been hired immediately after his firing from the Redskins. Danny Boy you could make alot of money selling the team to someone who has a clue on how to run a NFL team. You have no respect for the fans, players or coaches who all wanted GREG WILLIAMS. The Greg Williams situation was handled with no class and very disrepectful. The Redskins have become the laughing stock of the NFL with you as it's owner. You claim that your team management system is working and a GM is not needed. You call this working? PLEASE SELL THE TEAM!

Posted by: match2345 | February 9, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Ok...let's switch it up a bit RI...

1) If you were the GM and you had to recoup the two draft picks that we sent away for this upcoming draft, how would you do it?

2) What would you do with Jansen this year?

3) Is Anthony Mix a diamond in the rough?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey Match...

Just a question,

Were you one of the ones that wanted Greg Williams outta hear after the 5-11 season, and the whole Archuleta and LaVar thing?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Hey Match,

Fans and players do not get to pick coaches anywere just like you do not get to pick your boss at your job. The players will play because they are profesionals and get paid to do so. They are already restructuring there deals to help the team. You have no idea if Fassel will be a good coach or not nobody does so if he is the coach which he is not yet, let it play out and see what happens. Same goes for Cerato lets see what he does this offseason in getting players Jasno said they realize Defensive line is a priority that is a good start. Williams is gone lets stop crying about how bad he was treated he made alot of money working here so I think he will be fine.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Ricky,

I do not think we have any thing to trade to get those picks back that Gibbs gave away. I would let Jansen go we can not risk another season of him getting hert let the young guys develop. Mix could be good if we let him play we need a coach who will let young players play that was another issue with Gibbs he never let young guys play on offense unless he had no choice.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:08 AM

Agree with your post. Where I have a problem with this FO is that they have made the Redskins the laughing stock of the NFL.

As I posted before, I am not able to not root for the Skins, but hate the way this "process" is working.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Not sure about the draft choices, but I would use Jansen as a back up and start either Wade or Heyer. Mix would definitely get the chance to show what he could do.

What frustrated me with Gibbs II was that too many players were in the dog house. If you have talent, find another way to deal with these players besides keeping them off of the field.

If I could get BL to rework his contract I would also give him another chance.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I would let Jansen go too... might also look to trade Betts for that 5th rounder we gave up.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs made the biggest mistake he could ever make by hiring an offensive cordinator you go to the second round of the playoffs and then hire a offensive cordinator that does not have the same philosophy as you do. Gibbs is in the HOF because of his offensive coaching ability the day he hired a cordinator was the day he packed it in.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 09:54 AM

Kmpd4,

I have read your posts and chuckled because of your childish enthusiasm. Now I think that you are just not comprehending reality. Gibbs hired an offensive coordinator because he realized that the offenses of the 21st century had passed him by. You do not have to look far to see the evidence. His offensive production in the Tampa Bay playoff was under 100 yards! The defense was carrying him and he knew it. Gibbs never let Saunders run the complete system with the quarterback of his choice until Collins succeeded Campbell late last season. Gibbs 1.0 had his offensive run based on the counter-tre running play that was run 15 times a game. The NFC East defensive coaches figured out how to stop it and then the production declined dramatically.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I would let Jansen go too... might also look to trade Betts for that 5th rounder we gave up.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:20 AM

I agree with Betts but they should have traded him last year when his stock was really high. I can not see using Jansen as a backup he makes to much money. Not sure about Lloyd but he needs to take a huge paycut or get let go.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins legacy is as one of the prime teams in NFL history. Now we are the verge of becoming in the DC Met area what the Jets are in NY; the JV. That's what happens when you hire as your head coach the guy that the team who used to be the area JV (Ravens) fired as their coordinator. How can the Skins be the prime when their leader is the Ravens reject? If you have friends who are Jets fans in NY, ask them how they feel now that the Giants are even more the kings. That's how Skins fans will feel with Fassel in charge!

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Driley,

So like I said he made the worst mistake because he should have known his ego would not let him give the reins of the offense to another coach you either give up complete control or none at all there is no middle ground you can not have to people calling plays it is a one person job. Gibbs offense could have worked in today's NFL but he made another fatal mistake he went out and got a bum at quarterback in Brunell all Gibbs quarterbacks had one thing in common a strong arm. And if you wanted to run your offense which is the counter tray why trade for a running back who does not run inside. Do not get me wrong Portis has tried he is a beast sometimes but his body is not made to go inside 20 times a game.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I would let Jansen go too... might also look to trade Betts for that 5th rounder we gave up.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:20 A'

'nother blog reality check coming...

Releasing Jansen would cost you 8 million in salary cap. Not going to happen.
Starting Heyer would cost you your starting quarterback by the fourth game of the season. Did you see the fine job of pass blocking he did in Seattle?
Betts for a 5th round pick. Your morning drugs have not kicked in yet. Betts averaged 4.9 yards per carry in 06 which was the last time he was allowed to start.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

The way to stop the counter tray is to stack the box with 8 guys they did that in Gibbs 1.0 the difference was we had a quarterback that could thow deep when they did it which made it hard to stop our running attack. No one came up with some great scheam to stop the counter tray you stop that like any other run with great line men or stacking 8 in the box.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Heyer did not play bad he had a bad game against Seattle but where were our great coaches to make ajustments to that why did they not give him help.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Jansen getting hurt every year does not help you either they have plenty off ways to make up for the 8 million he would cost us. I agree about Betts you will not get a 5th rounder for him now they should have traded him after the 06 season.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Kmpd4,

Gibbs offense might have worked if he had the Hogs and Riggins. However, being head coach and having personell authority was not good for Gibbs. Why bring Portis and Brunell if you plan to run your old offense? Gibbs seemed to be very confused in offense as shown by the number of times we had delays caused by not getting the play onto field. In addition, he never really figured out what the "Redskin Way" was that he kept saying we have to get back to. In the end he admitted his failure by getting Saunders, but he never let go completely (as you said). Gibbs 2.0 failed in creating a dynamic offense. Gibbs 2.0 also failed in game management as shown by the failure to make corrections mid game, which is the opposite of his earler regime.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

UGH...have we entered the ridiculous zone where we talk about cutting and trading players with no concept of:

A. Football

B. How salary cap works

C. That to trade you have to have another team involved

D. How the Universe works?????

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I would let Jansen go too... might also look to trade Betts for that 5th rounder we gave up.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 9, 2008 10:20 A'

'nother blog reality check coming...

Releasing Jansen would cost you 8 million in salary cap. Not going to happen.
Starting Heyer would cost you your starting quarterback by the fourth game of the season. Did you see the fine job of pass blocking he did in Seattle?
Betts for a 5th round pick. Your morning drugs have not kicked in yet. Betts averaged 4.9 yards per carry in 06 which was the last time he was allowed to start.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 10:34 AM

I agree with most of this except the Heyer prediction. He played well and with another year under Buges he'll imrove. Plus he needs a strong offseason in the weight room. Looked a little soft. Okay, a lot soft, but he played pretty well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Keep Jansen and Betts, they're Redskins, not like a few others I could name.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Heyer is a great find, who needs more development. No one is argueing that, BUTT you don't sharpie him as a starter at this point and make personal choices on that...ya just don't!

Make up the 8 million dollar cap hit?!?!?! Even our front office can't wipe 28 million away and still be agressive....

Stop the madness....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I agree he will be fine but he needs to get more muscle tone and he needs to get mean you can not play offensive line without playing tough.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I think that if Jansen is a major cap hit, and I'll admit I don't know, that he'll restructure or even take a cut just for the chance to prove that he can play again. He hasn't shown much over the last three years with all the injuries.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

When healthy Jansen is still valuable. And his biggest cap hit comes from kicking him OFF the roster....

Oh whatever.....what will be will be...we are powerless....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Jansen getting hurt every year does not help you either they have plenty off ways to make up for the 8 million he would cost us. I agree about Betts you will not get a 5th rounder for him now they should have traded him after the 06 season.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:46 AM

Betts is worth far more than 5th rounder. He may be the better running back on this team, if played regularly. Heyer got help every game he played. Keeping Cooley in to help was a necessity after the first several sacks given up, thus limiting Cooley's production. 8 million is lot to make up when you are starting with a 20 million dollar deficit. By adding that to the sum of the other renegotiations you will have little chance for any other free agent signings.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

He gets hurt ever year what good does that do he takes all the snaps in training camp and then gets hurt so know Heyer missed all that time and has to play anyway.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

When healthy Jansen is still valuable. And his biggest cap hit comes from kicking him OFF the roster....

So why are we even discussing this anymore. Keep him, change his contract, let's move on. (Like anything we sat matters anyway.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Driley,

I agree Betts is the better running back but unless they play him we will never know. Maybe a new coach gives him more playing time. I think it will be hard to get that pick because he did nothing last year.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree. They run with different styles and Betts hasn't been on the field enough to find out. Can't judge who's better. Portis is proven. I like Betts and wouldn't want to trade him. Betts seems to be one of those guys that takes a few quarters to get going. It will be interesting to see how he works in this offense. We know that Portis excelled in a similar style offense prior to coming here and he has a nose for the goal line. Betts hasn't necessarily proven himself in that area.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

kmpd4,

I am not dumping on Heyer just to be mean to him. He really was a fill in because we had NOBODY left to play. In that scenario he played as good as expected. However, we had to adjust our offense to run all of the running plays to the left. We had to keep tight ends on the line to block on his side. In short, we had to compensate for his limitations. People who pencil him as ready to start are just wishing for more than can be delivered.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I believe driley said he MAY be the better back given the opportunity, not that he was.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Do you gus realize they just resigned Jansen last year with a 10M bonus? We'll already be taking a big cap hit with Lloyd so I don't think they can afford to let him go. Plus unless they are planning to draft a RT that can start right away I am not wanting to see Heyer start all year. He is an ok prospect but was dominated in that playoff game.

Posted by: cdubb | February 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You are correct Scamp nothing we say matters and to tell you the truth it should not matter because none of us know's as much as we think we do about football. If Danny listen to anything the fans thought in terms of coaching he would be an idiot. He should listen to the fans about the stadium not a great experience not like RFK but then again he did not build this stadium JKC did, and if he would have givin the team to his son we would not be discussing this.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm not penciling Heyer in as a starter yet, but he did dom some good playing on his own. Ask Strahan. He said in an interview that Heyer shut him down with no help. (I believe he said it was because he had such long and strong arms that it made it difficult for him to stunt or toss him). He has difficulty with the speed guys and a good offseason in the gyn will help that a little. He needs some footwork help as well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

John Jansen "always being hurt" is a fallacy. He has missed 2 season yes...with achilles and knee/ankle....both were unavoidable and freakish...

Other than those years every season he played in all 16 games...and played through many smaller injuries that would have sidelined a lot of players.....

Read for yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Jansen

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

don't agree. They run with different styles and Betts hasn't been on the field enough to find out. Can't judge who's better. Portis is proven. I like Betts and wouldn't want to trade him. Betts seems to be one of those guys that takes a few quarters to get going. It will be interesting to see how he works in this offense. We know that Portis excelled in a similar style offense prior to coming here and he has a nose for the goal line. Betts hasn't necessarily proven himself in that area.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:01 AM

Betts finished the 06 season in place of Portis. He averaged over 4.9 yards per carry (higher than Portis in the last several years). He rushed for close to 1000 yards. He impressed the staff so much that he was signed to a multi year contract. Plus he is healthy. The problem is that we have a ton of money invested in Portis, so...

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

This has been fun but I need to get on with my Saturday.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 9, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Smart move Bob Saunders. Get out of there as quick as you can. Good luck to you and the Rams.

Posted by: ftlmikeflorida | February 9, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I like Betts, but he also was helped by a beast and healthy O-line that season. Our O line was amazing in 06 (ahem with Jansen..ahem). Also we committed to the run. I would have thought Portis could have put up similar numbers down that stretch and may have actually turned more touches into TDs...Betts doesnt get to the next level in open space. IN 06 he would bust one for big gain but get cought pre-score...


And, can we bury this notion that Snyder knows more football than the average fan...since at one time he was the average fan?!?!

I know one thing if I could buy the team off a phone card ponzi scheme...I would hire a Ron Wolf/Betherd/Peopli type to braintrust my investment...

see! I am smarter already!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Bravo CL

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I like Betts, but he also was helped by a beast and healthy O-line that season. Our O line was amazing in 06 (ahem with Jansen..ahem).

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 11:16 AM

...and Randy Thomas and Derrick Dockery

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I like Betts, but he also was helped by a beast and healthy O-line that season. Our O line was amazing in 06 (ahem with Jansen..ahem).

Posted by: chrislarry | February 9, 2008 11:16 AM

...and Randy Thomas and Derrick Dockery

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 11:22 AM

I agree that the offensive line in 06 was far superior to the 07 version. For the sake of comparison here is my take on Betts vs Portis. Portis started the first 8 games of 06 and Betts replaced him after his injury for the last 8 games. Both played with the same offensive line personell. Betts: 4.7 yds/carry 1154 total yards, Portis 4.1 yds/carry, 523 total yards. I believe that Betts can be more productive than Portis if given the chance.

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

driley...maybe...i still stand by my assement that Portis would have hit more HRs...

also Betts was benefitted by renewed commitment to running game AND JC, who even green was better than Brunell...so still a bit apples v oranges in my book...

chris Larry

Posted by: clawrence | February 9, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I hate Daniel Snyder as much as the next guy, but is there a more bitter beat reporter than Jasno right now? I guess I'd be pissed too if I was on a wild goose chase a month after the season ended too.

Posted by: Eze167 | February 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

" Palermo was most recently retired after spending 2007 season with Tenn. Tech. He has never coached in the NFL." --WaPo

I hope this will finally put all this damned fan cynicism to rest for a while. No one can question his bona fides. This is the man, after all, who helped build the d-line of the mighty Tennessee Tech Fightin' Tehnologists. Snyderattio has done a masterful job of assuring no independent, own staff-hirin' self-respectin' qualified Head Coach will set foot in Redskin Park.

Posted by: corkczar | February 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

HOT CHICKS & BIG UGLIES

"I believe that Betts can be more productive than Portis if given the chance."

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 11:55 AM

Given the CHANCE? The guy has had five years worth of chances, and the only time he came through was during his salary drive. He is a CLASSIC example of Redskins wasted draft picks. Had he been a sixth rounder or a UFA, no argument--he's been a marginal backup when not injured. But a SECOND ROUNDER should be a lot more than marginal for a LOT longer than half of one season.

He's been re-signed relatively cheap, so keep him as a third down back, backup, and special teams guy (tho not kickoff returner, please)

One of Gibbs blind spots was insisting his KO returners be plodders who would never fumble or break one big.

Meanwhile, first order of bidness is strengthen and enlarge the Oline. Great Olines tend to make marginal RBs good, and good QB's great.

QB's get all the hot chicks, Big Uglies win Superbowls.

Posted by: corkczar | February 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Looking at how this is setting up, I would not be surprised if on monday the Mighty Midget and his buddy "vinnie" say they are not going to hire a head coach, that Mighty Midget would be "CEO." Think about it: The team has run with head coach offense/defense for 2 years now, and in an interview earlier this season, MM did say the reason they did not have a GM was because "Joe Gibbs racing did not have one." He doesn't think you need one to be successful, so why no go without a true head coach?

Just an idea.

Posted by: lbenswanger | February 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I love the "Fightin' Technologists" corkczar. Great stuff.

Slide Rulz
Mom's Basement Drulz
Snyder's Guest House Foolz

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 9, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

....I don't have enough fingers to count the number of college players he sent to the pros. Good coach.

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 9, 2008 07:27 AM

You are absolutely correct. Wait, you ARE talking about Steve Spurrier, right?

Posted by: corkczar | February 9, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I have family in the area and am familiar with Tennessee Tech. As far as colleges go, it's a bit of a laughing stock in the state, a total redneck campus...where high school kids joke about attending only as a last resort.

Posted by: RambleOn | February 9, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Are we over-reacting to the coaches thing. Danny has never been afraid to spend money where there is no salary cap. Can't he hire and fire the coaches under contract if the new coach wants someone else?

Another question: If he called every owner in the league and offered them a 1st round draft choice, which head coach could he get? (e.g. Jeff Fisher?)

Posted by: BobD3 | February 9, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I have family in the area and am familiar with Tennessee Tech. As far as colleges go, it's a bit of a laughing stock in the state, a total redneck campus...where high school kids joke about attending only as a last resort.

Posted by: RambleOn | February 9, 2008 01:09 PM

Yeah I can see that. We used to refer to Miami Dade CC as "Notre Dade". Speaking of which, where is MV Dame anyway?

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

A great position coach goes from the 'U' to Tenn Tech--I don't get it. And now instead of retirement, the guy comes with no NFL experience to coach the skins' d-line. How wonderful that he has ties to Vinny, the great football mind at Redskin park. You just have to hope that Greg B knows Palermo and signed off on the hire. Otherwise, it seems like a huge stretch.
Another question: does Palermo have ties to any of the known HC candidates?

Posted by: n6797p | February 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

It's now Saturday morning (west coast time anyway) and still no announcement. What the he!! is our brain trust (and I use the word "brain" loosely) doing? Did Fassel decide he has more leverage now that Spags is not in the picture and he wants more control. Are DanVin looking at each other shrugging their heads going "what do we do next?" Then Vinnie says, "oh I know, let's trade a first round pick to Oakland for their coach. I hear he has more NFL experience than our DLine coach." Tell me it isn't soooooooo.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Bob SANUDERS..??
Dixlexic fingers?

By the way, what say we give this coaching search s**t a rest? No more blogs, 'cause none of us knows anyway. Let's wait to see what happens, then we'll hammer Danny!!

Posted by: al852 | February 9, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

it's getting ridiculous the number of coaches we are rescuing from retirement...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/2/9/133227/2523

This is summing up our HC search. Must see!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

At this point I guess Snyder is like Vin call one of your buddies that needs a gig we will hire him... Hell tell him he will instantly be one of the highest paid coaches in the league

Posted by: trailblazer658 | February 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/2/9/133227/2523

This is summing up our HC search. Must see!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 01:54 PM

Funny!

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

OK we are doomed. I think a college coach would be fine at this point. Vinny is obviously exerting mad influence on things.

Vinny is a useless as* kissing piece-o-crap. The only saving grace would be to keep JC in the same system but even Dan could not figure that out.

Dan is a stupid monkey bi*ch. Get Fassel and we can change in a few years.

Cowher will want control and was never the leader Gibbs was. His teams while good underperformed in the playoffs except for one year. Bringing in Cowher with all the control will not work much better than Marty.

F Gibbs haters.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Aaaagh!!! This is exhausting. I'm finding a new hobby for the fall. Not to beat a dead horse, but all these posts mean nothing to Snyder.
He'll be laughing at us all in the fall when the very people in this forum are buying his merchandise at redskin park or at the Redskins store at the mall.
The only way is a boycott. Opposing the candidacy if Fassel won't drive the message home.
The only way is to let him know there is a possibility that his players could play in an empty stadium, with his merchandise stuck on the rack.
RollyMac

Posted by: RollyMac | February 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ROLLY
Are yu a season ticket holder, and if yes are you willing to give up your season tickets?

Posted by: connskins | February 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the 2008 schedule yet? I just caught something on CSN showing the home and away games. Notable was a late-season home game against the Rams. If this is correct, there's a part of me -- a small, cynical part -- that hopes that Saunders comes in and puts up 50 against the new DannyVinny Skins.

Posted by: RambleOn | February 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone planning on giving up their season tickets are just plain crazy. There are too many people on the waiting list, so the best a season ticket holder can do is keep their tickets and NOT go to the game. If season ticket holders just do not show up and there are empty seats, then MAYBE (and I stress maybe) your protest may be heard. Giving up your tickets will just move many people up to better seats as has been posted many times here.

I am a very unhappy fan right now, but I know that regardless of who is our HC, I am a die hard fan, in New Mexico who has never lived in the DC area, but the Skins are my team and I will be rooting for them come September.

That does not mean I will support dan with buying merchandise until I know that he has seen the light. But if for some reason this "process" works and we end up with some good moves from the FO and a good team, I will be back on this post to eat my words about this FO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/2/9/13146/82895

Interesting read on Zorn from a Seattle writer.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Kerzon
that is fine to say that if you are season ticket holder not to go to the game, but living in CT and having season tickets these damn things are expensive. And yes, you are right i f I give them up I won't get them back but I do not know how to hurt Snyder and there really probably is no way to hurt snyder b/c he makes so much money.. So I guess your right, save the tickets drive 6 hours to each damn game and for get that Snyder is the owner. I know your right but he has just completly p**sed me off

Posted by: connskins | February 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

connskins, I am with you, but unfortunately we are powerless. If I were in the DC area (and could get tickets) I would go to the games because I support the Washington Redskins Football team inspite of the owner. Pretty much a lose lose situation.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Someone with the screen name "Skins PR" on Extreme Skins said a coach has been hired. It will be announced Monday. But he does not know who it is :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

kerozon
yes we are powerless, b/c once you get the tickets you are not going to give them up, it took me more than 10 years, oh well, lets hope he surprises us and gets someone other than fassel. either way I know I know I am going to the games next year.. but i have to hope he does the right thing

Posted by: connskins | February 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Betts finished the 06 season in place of Portis. He averaged over 4.9 yards per carry (higher than Portis in the last several years). He rushed for close to 1000 yards. He impressed the staff so much that he was signed to a multi year contract. Plus he is healthy. The problem is that we have a ton of money invested in Portis, so...

Posted by: driley | February 9, 2008 11:11 AM

NO the problem is Betts fumbles too much...and after reading this whole blog...you seem to disagree and try to counter point EVERYONE...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone planning on giving up their season tickets are just plain crazy. There are too many people on the waiting list, so the best a season ticket holder can do is keep their tickets and NOT go to the game. If season ticket holders just do not show up and there are empty seats, then MAYBE (and I stress maybe) your protest may be heard. Giving up your tickets will just move many people up to better seats as has been posted many times here.

I am a very unhappy fan right now, but I know that regardless of who is our HC, I am a die hard fan, in New Mexico who has never lived in the DC area, but the Skins are my team and I will be rooting for them come September.

That does not mean I will support dan with buying merchandise until I know that he has seen the light. But if for some reason this "process" works and we end up with some good moves from the FO and a good team, I will be back on this post to eat my words about this FO.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 03:14 PM

I agree...i have my family seats...we have had them for 43 years....and I if I give them up...they will be filled with somebody else within a day!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the 2008 schedule yet? I just caught something on CSN showing the home and away games. Notable was a late-season home game against the Rams. If this is correct, there's a part of me -- a small, cynical part -- that hopes that Saunders comes in and puts up 50 against the new DannyVinny Skins.

Posted by: RambleOn | February 9, 2008 03:08 PM

I hear ya but No matter what ...I will never pul against the Skins

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/2/9/133227/2523

This is summing up our HC search. Must see!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 9, 2008 01:54 PM
Ok that was just depressing!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time to re-name the team. I do. I've opposed it for the longest time, but since such an obvious new name has presented itself, and since we're flushing past glory down the toilet, I think it's time.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you:

The Washington Golden Parachutes

Posted by: freakzilla | February 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

So, in essence, we've traded Zorn for Lazor. Knowing the Skins proclivity for pissing away draft picks, they'll probably toss in a third round pick retroactively.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

One happy thought -

Dan wants a stadium deal in DC. I think we can agree on that. If it were the right kind that could be used for multiple events than I would support it. If we did not get F-over like MLB did to us. FedEx is really a wast if you think about it.

If things don't improve Dan will have a hard time getting Tax payers to put up any money. So that plus the redskins toys, are two things we can really have an effect on.

Dans world

money > Ego > redskins. They should not be in much conflict but Dan is a stupid monkey crap head.

Does that not make some sense?

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I just heard a rumor that Gil Haskell's name is in the mix. He is the OC for the Seahawks.....65 years old.....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I just heard a rumor that Gil Haskell's name is in the mix. He is the OC for the Seahawks.....65 years old.....

Posted by: Lisa_R

That would make a lot of sense. No future, Zorn could get a try out as HC of the future. And he could be dispensed with very quickly because of his age.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Does JC fit the Seattle offense in any way? It does not seem like it. Oh, who cares.

Posted by: mul | February 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

HEY JASON!! Is there another John Palermo that coached the D Line??


John Palermo was hired as the University of Miami's defensive line coach on February 6, 2006. He will work with assistant Clint Hurtt in bringing out the best from the Hurricanes' defensive linemen.

One of the most respected defensive line coaches in all of college football, Palermo has been a coach for 27 years at the collegiate level, mostly at Wisconsin and Notre Dame, and he was also head coach at Austin Peay.

For the 15 years before joining the Miami staff, Palermo was the assistant head coach at the University of Wisconsin. He was the school's defensive line coach from 1996-2005 and served as the outside linebackers coach from 1991 to 1995.

While at Wisconsin, Palermo produced four first-team All-Americans, and his players were named first-team All-Big Ten a total of nine times. His players were selected Big Ten Defensive Lineman of the Year four times and two were named Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Eight of Palermo's defensive linemen have been chosen in the first six rounds of the NFL draft, including two, Wendell Bryant in 2002 and Erasmus James in 2005, who were taken in the first round. James was a consensus All-American and the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year. Palermo's entire 2004 defensive line was selected in the 2005 NFL draft.

Palermo was the head coach at Austin Peay State in 1990. Prior to that, he was the defensive line coach at Notre Dame in 1988 and 1989. The Fighting Irish won the 1988 national championship, and his star lineman, Chris Zorich was a consensus All-American and Lombardi Award winner in 1990. Prior to that, he had stints at Minnesota (1984-87), Appalachian State (1983), Memphis State (1980-82), Austin Peay (1979) and North Carolina State (1977-78).

In 27 years at the collegiate level, Palermo has coached on 17 bowl teams, including Notre Dame's 1988 national championship squad and three Wisconsin teams that won the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl (1993, 1998 and 1999).

A native of Newburgh, N.Y., Palermo lettered at Florida State in 1972 and 1973 and earned a degree in education from FSU in 1974. He and his wife, Donna, have a son (Jason) and a daughter (Jessica). Jason was a starter on the offensive line for Wisconsin in 2005.

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It's the same guy ireland, he spent one year in miami then went to Tenn tech

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree...i have my family seats...we have had them for 43 years....and I if I give them up...they will be filled with somebody else within a day!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 9, 2008 05:04 PM

This is exactly why we will be stuck with Snyder forever - idiot fans who keep giving Snyder money regardless of what kind of product he puts out on the field.

"Thank you, Mr Snyder. May I have another?"

Posted by: klhend703 | February 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

What happened to larry brooks? g.blache's supposed man for the d-line job" According to what I read both of them worked together before and brooks was a top defense tackle with the ram's late 70's to 80's. I think 5-6 pro bowls. cerrato hired his friend palermo someone who has never coached in the nfl. Stop hiring all of your friends and get people who can play and coach.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

olavsmith: Yes indeed, there is truth to the Dan Snyder-Scientology connection. Beyond his financing of several Tom Cruise projects, the website truthaboutscientology.com publishes information about Scientology and Scientologists, complete with source citations.

Snyder became an OT2 in Aug 1995. The most recently available information shows that he completed New Era Dianetics back in Nov 2005.

The information on this site is spotty, as cult members are understandably being less public about their association. One is left wondering whether Snyder has yet been told about the evil Lord Xenu, or alien overpopulation, or DC-8s...

Posted by: phoenixshade | February 11, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

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