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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 01/ 6/2011

Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins

By Rick Maese

The Redskins aren't in the playoffs, but several former Washington players and coaches still have football games to worry about. Jim Zorn in Baltimore, Sherman Smith and Jerry Gray in Seattle, Shaun Suisham in Pittsburgh. And perhaps one of the most surprising: the Indianapolis Colts starting cornerback Justin Tryon.

Speaking Wednesday from the Colts locker room in Indianapolis, Tryon said getting traded from the Redskins was a big opportunity, and he's taken full advantage of his time with a new team.

"The crossover was wonderful," Tryon said. "It's a huge blessing."

Tryon was a fourth-round draft pick in 2008 for the Redskins and came to Washington with big expectations. Mike Shanahan and his staff apparently decided that he didn't fit into their plans, though. He was traded following training camp to Indianapolis, where he's become a key contributer down the stretch. The Colts' Jerraud Powers was placed on injured reserve last month and Kelvin Hayden suffered a neck injury. So Tryon started the Colts' final four games of the regular season and if Hayden can't go this weekend against the New York Jets -- Hayden hasn't practiced this week -- Tryon will get the call.

The playing time apparently isn't the only difference, Tryon said.

"This is night and day from D.C. It's night and day," he said. "The guys here are more, I'm not going to say -- the guys here are, it's work. It's work and less play. It's less play, it's less moseying around. It's standard here to go to the playoffs, it's standard here to be your own team. There, it was more of a fashion show. Here... it's hey, let's go to work today."

Tryon said he prepared himself throughout the offseason and training camp for the possibility the Redskins would no longer need his services. So when the team asked whether he'd want to be traded, Tryon said he didn't have to think long.

"I was talking to Bruce Allen, and he asked me, 'What do you want to do?'" Tryon said. "I told him, 'Hey, I want to go to a team where I'm playing for something, not just competing for a position. He told me to come back to his office in two minutes. I went back in his office, and it was done."

Tryon expected to be a special teams contributer in Indianapolis but was in the Colts' starting lineup in Week 1.

He said the Redskins were too stacked at cornerback for him to break through, and he had good things to say about Shawn Springs, Fred Smoot, DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers. "I learned so much from those guys," he said.

And he still talks to Redskins Hall of Famer Darrell Green every other week or so and seeks guidance, he said.

By Rick Maese  | January 6, 2011; 6:00 AM ET
 
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I'm hoping the new regime will get rid of that attitude at Redskins park. As a free agent with options, ask your self why the Top players would want to go to Washington? It's rebuilding and at least two years away IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2011 6:26 AM | Report abuse

"Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins"

Only one word comes to mind when I see this:

"Duh."

One team has arguably the best GM in football. The other team just got a somewhat respectable one for the first time in over a decade. One team makes the playoffs every year, the other makes it once every Olympics or so. One team routinely build thru the draft and typically gets maximum return on those picks, the other uses picks like they're side dishes for trades.

I wonder if Tryon has any other nuggets of wisdom...like "the sky is blue" or "water is wet"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 6:54 AM | Report abuse

I love how the national media gives the Dolphins owner a pass for being such an classless a$$h--e.

The Dolphins have a coach in place yet there owner and GM are flying out to California today to interview Harbaugh. They also said that they would pay Harbaugh 7-8 mil if he would take the job.

If Snyder did this he would be getting killed in the media so would d--k head in Dallas.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 6:55 AM | Report abuse

What We Learned: Defense

By: John Keim

...The 3-4 scheme wasn’t the issue; rather it was the construction of the defense that led to problems and a 31st ranking. The Redskins wrongly hoped certain players would fit the scheme better. Andre Carter was an awkward fit at linebacker from the beginning. Considering the lack of free agents last year and few high draft picks, this was almost a necessary experiment. They also lacked the nose tackle to play this system; right or wrong, there was no way Albert Haynesworth was going to learn that position. Some of this was evident early in camp. The Redskins turned to a 3-4 for the long-term, not just this year. Besides, their top-10 defenses in the 4-3 resulted in zero playoff wins since 2000. Good personnel equals good schemes.

…The coaches were right about DeAngelo Hall being in position to make a lot of plays in this defense. Yes, the career-best 95 tackles were nice. But his ability to read quarterbacks in zone coverage led to him intercepting six passes and probably dropping about that many, too. Few players would be helped more by an improved pass rush than Hall, allowing him to sit harder on certain routes. But Hall also was beaten deep several times this season. On Sunday vs. the Giants, he played for a shorter route but needed to take into account the lack of a pass rush. In other games going for the tackle instead of the pick was the much smarter play.

…Free safety remains an issue as Kareem Moore did not have a good season. Was it because of his right knee? Maybe. Regardless, he missed too many tackles – both from poor angles and aiming for a runner’s shoulder pads -- and made few plays. Kevin Barnes is not the answer; he’s tough, but too small for a full-time safety and is much better suited to play corner.

…One area that must improve is pass coverage by the linebackers. It wasn’t a strength and in a 3-4 you need linebackers who can cover. More often than not, three will drop into coverage. Brian Orakpo improved here, but he’s also going to rush more than anything else. London Fletcher – the most consistent defender over 16 games -- wasn’t bad in this area and usually played tight. But better coverage by this unit is a necessity if Washington wants to improve.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2011/01/what-we-learned-defense#ixzz1AFwBIt4y

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:05 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder did this he would be getting killed in the media so would d--k head in Dallas.


Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 6:55 AM

Too true.

But to be fair, there's a body of work and a reputation Snyder and Jones have that Ross hasn't established yet. The Dolphins still have some level of credibility because the Parcells Effect hasn't worn off yet. Once Ross clears out the Parcells guys and replaces them with the circus he's sure to bring to town, he'll get more national ridicule to be sure.

I mean, they have the Williams sisters, J.Lo and Fergie as minority owners and they're openly pining for a "celebrity" coach with "star power"...there's NO chance that situation ends well...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Why do these idiots at the post keep saying we have 1 5th and two 6th did they not get the memeo on the Jamal Brown trade.

We get a 5th from NO not a 6th

We still might get a 6th from Indy for Tryon but I think that will be a 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

A post about the diminutive Justin Tryon and not one word about our compensation?

Is it a 7th, 6th? Dude played pretty extensively. What were the conditions of the trade?

Besides that you cares?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...our old friend JLC was on NFLN last night saying that the Titans could be in the market for McNabb now that they're showing VY the road.


Funny thing is, that both AH-DM5 would help the titans.

They have the playmakers who can make a McNabb poor decision/throw look good.

Adding McNabb, though, would mean letting Kerry Collins walk and drafting a young starter.

Their defense is small up front, so AH in the middle of it is a help.

Adding AH, though, means the people who liked VY ask how can the team trade one headache for another?

In any event, the titans-redskins would make great trading partners as each team would benefit from a move.

So if you're TENN, which redskin do you take?:

a. McNabb (maybe a 4th)

b. Haynesworth (maybe a 4th/5th)

If I'm Jeff Fisher, I take McNabb figuring his getting the ball to Johnson/Britt/Sciafe is an ideal situation.

Too, McNabb's professionalism is something they'd want in the lockerroom after ridding themselves of VY.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 6, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Folks might dispute this, but the Tryon trade just should not have been made.

There was word that Tryon was an able defender of receivers in the slot, had dedicated himself to becoming a professional cornerback via D Green's help, and was a good guy.

You just can't have enough solid cover corners in the NFL.

Hopefully, the draft will get us another decent corner.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 6, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

I hate it when players leave a team and then talk trash, especially when that time was kind enough to trade you to the freaking Colts when they could have sent you to Buffalo or just booted you to the curb. Did you ever think, Justin, that the Redskins just didn't think you were that good? You had your chance to prove yourself and you didn't. Bottom line. And now what, you think you've arrived because you're on a playoff team? You didn't get them to the playoffs. Peyton Manning did. And guess what, the Colts secondary still sucks.

Posted by: Kelso4 | January 6, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Exactly right, Moe...gotta think McNabb would be a great fit in TN if they do indeed keep Fisher, especially when you take into account the similarities between McNabb and the late Steve McNair.

You'd have to think regardless of the cap hit, the Titans would be more than happy to give up a 4th round pick for a legit NFL starter and a shot at drafting a younger option for the future either late in this draft or early in the next one. AH is far from a necessity for them and they'll probably be of the mind that they'll be his first choice once the Redskins cut him.

If I'm Bruce Allen, I'm on the phone with the Titans before the ink dries on the new CBA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

gimme,

I agree also Fisher didn't have problems with AH the way he did with VY. AH wants to play the way he wants and they let him do that in Tenn.

I still don't get the Fisher love I heard from no less then 4 NFL talking heads yesterday how Fisher is one of the best coaches in the league.

6 winning season out of 16, no SB wins and only 6 playoff wins, yeh I put him right up there with Lombardi, Gibbs, Bill P, Bill B, Chuck Knoll.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Once again... people leave and prosper.

But we are getting better, by getting rid of the bums, malcontents, crybabies, poseurs, inept bunglers, folk that plain won't do right.

Who knows there may be hope yet.

Posted by: Tobor58 | January 6, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

TOBOR58

But we are getting better, by getting rid of the bums, malcontents, crybabies, poseurs, inept bunglers, folk that plain won't do right.

I hear ya, but Tryon was being professional, and was released, and Devin Thomas wasn't being a 'professional NFL receiver,' but got to stay on the roster before getting released later.

'plain that logic to me, Lucy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 6, 2011 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Flound...I know Fisher is highly respected but I'm thinking that has more to do with him being the longest tenured coach, he's on the competition committee, etc. Don't know how much of that is even football related at this point...

I think he's a good coach...he just needs a fresh start in a new and better situation than what he's had in TN.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Fisher might give up that 4th rounder for Haynesworth, and a little something for McFlabb.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think Tryon was dealt because of his 'tude so much as he was caught up in a numbers game...Shanahan has made it clear that age, draft status, and prior standing with the team doesn't matter. He wants the best guys to play and I don't think he had him ranked higher than DHall, Rogers, Buchanon, Barnes, or Westbrook on the roster. Right or wrong, Tryon wasn't a Shanahan guy.

So if we get a late round pick for a guy that wasn't gonna make the team anyway, I call it a win. But it seems a lot of folks up here were pretty tough on him going into the season...it's not like we dealt away Lo Alexander or anything...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:00 AM | Report abuse

If I'm Bruce Allen, I'm on the phone with the Titans before the ink dries on the new CBA...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:38 AM

And the Titans are saying to Bruce Allen, "Thanks for your offer Bruce. We're not willing to pay him the money that you negotiated in his contract. His agent will call us after you cut him and we'll work out something. But, keep us in mind for anything else you might be considering."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Tyron showed some progression in 2009 but he benefited from Frenney and Mathis this season. His 5'7 ass would have been toast trying to cover w/o our anemic pass rush.

As Tim Ryan say's..."you show me an all pro CB and I'll show you an all pro DE or a dynamic pass rush."

Again who gives a F. WaPo come back when you've figured out our compensation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"And now what, you think you've arrived because you're on a playoff team? You didn't get them to the playoffs. Peyton Manning did. And guess what, the Colts secondary still sucks."


That is too funny, Kelso. But on the other hand, I'd probably still rather be on a sh!tty defense thats actually in the playoffs.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | January 6, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Who cares what Tryon has to say?

This dude sucks anyway.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think Tryon was dealt because of his 'tude so much as he was caught up in a numbers game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:00 AM

This is more RI schizophrenia. Everyone -- including Moe -- is talking "let's trade our guys to get more draft picks." Now that we've traded one -- Tryon who was the object of continuous blog ridicule because of his height -- guys are talking out of their other heads: "We shouldn't have traded him."

And didn't we trade Jason Campbell for a draft pick?

Wasn't Tryon a part of Vinnie's 2008 draft class that is continuously ridiculed?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

And the Titans are saying to Bruce Allen, "Thanks for your offer Bruce. We're not willing to pay him the money that you negotiated in his contract. His agent will call us after you cut him and we'll work out something. But, keep us in mind for anything else you might be considering."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:04 AM |

I don't see it that way because there is no guarantee for Tenn. that if he was released he would want to play there.

Plus you want him in as early as possible and the Skins don't have to cut him until they see fit.

There will also be other team interested and this may start a little of a bidding war.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

...I know Fisher is highly respected but I'm thinking that has more to do with him being the longest tenured coach,..

I agree.

Fisher is a good coach, but without the rings--not ring--he's just not in the same class as Gibbs, Noll, Parcells, etc..

But when you see him in the totality of his career--excellent player, good coach--he, like Dick LaBeau (LaBeau was a great player and invented the zone-blitz, y'all), Fischer is indeed one of the better people to have worked in the NFL.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

There will also be other team interested and this may start a little of a bidding war.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 8:13 AM |

IF there are other teams interested, and only if, then the 'Skins can work a trade. How many teams do you think there are who won't watch tape of his play this year?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Re: McNabb to Titans

First, McNabb's contract is not easy to move. It apparently works out well for the Redskins this offseason and provides the team with flexibility to cut/retain him at our own convenience. But after that, the salaries on the contract are way out of range for what a reasonable team is going to want to pay McNabb right now.

I guess it depends on who is in charge in Tenn., but the Titans played hard-ball on the AH deal and I don't see them making a desperate reach for McNabb under those contract terms.

Also, is McNabb a clear step-up from what they have in Kerry Collins? McNabb is no spring-chicken. Collins has played alright when healthy, knows the system, knows the players, knows the coaches. It doesn't seem like Tennessee runs McNabb's WCO, and everyone got to see how fun it was this year trying to teach him a new system he's not familiar with.

FInally, the kiss of death on the idea is the fact that JLa reported it. JLa has got to be the strike-out king when it comes to "inside" info. If Glazer or Schefter were making noise, then you'd think there's legitimacy...JLa? Nope.

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:18 AM | Report abuse

This is more RI schizophrenia. Everyone -- including Moe -- is talking "let's trade our guys to get more draft picks." Now that we've traded one -- Tryon who was the object of continuous blog ridicule because of his height -- guys are talking out of their other heads: "We shouldn't have traded him."

And didn't we trade Jason Campbell for a draft pick?

Wasn't Tryon a part of Vinnie's 2008 draft class that is continuously ridiculed?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign. I think we get a 6 or 7 for Tryon. I'm happy about that. That's where the next AA or BB will come from.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

This is more RI schizophrenia. Everyone -- including Moe -- is talking "let's trade our guys to get more draft picks


Trading veteran players who are malcontents (AH) or don't fit what you do (McNabb) for value isn't the same as trading a young player you've drafted and have seen be productive--Tryon.

This is hardly 'schizophrenia'.

It's commonsense roster management.

Too, trading players means you see each as an individual asset with a particular set of skills, some of which you may covet or not want.

We needed cover corners--review P Buchanan getting beat at various points in the year and you'll see what I mean.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

And the Titans are saying to Bruce Allen, "Thanks for your offer Bruce. We're not willing to pay him the money that you negotiated in his contract. His agent will call us after you cut him and we'll work out something. But, keep us in mind for anything else you might be considering."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:04 AM


You think so? And you think McNabb would pick TN on his own accord over better situations like AZ, Minny, and SF? I sure don't.

If McNabb puts on an ugly baby blue uniform, it'll be because he gets traded into one...not because he wants to be there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I think we get a 6 or 7 for Tryon. I'm happy about that. That's where the next AA or BB will come from.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 8:21 AM |

No, both these guys were undrafted free agents. 6th or 7th is the next Selvish Capers, Rob Jackson, Colt Brennan, Kareem Moore.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse


Beep, it's actually perfectly in line with classic RI-philosophy regarding cornerbacks.

The ones who make no plays are the ones we want to keep and pay big bucks to.

The playmakers are the ones who need to get shipped out of town ASAP b/c they are overrated.

Don't ask why, it's just the way it is.

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

IF there are other teams interested, and only if, then the 'Skins can work a trade. How many teams do you think there are who won't watch tape of his play this year?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:16 AM |

I think the teams that will be interested are:

Zona
Tenn.
San Fran.
Vikings

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

given the 'status' of Rogers going into the 2011 season, and that Westbrook is what he is, that being a special teamer at BEST, had I my druthers, I'd have held onto Tryon...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Just another indicator (as if we needed any more) that the 'Skins need an iron-fisted-my-way-or-the-hyway guy (like Shanny) to give this team a serious makeover & purge the last decade away .. Yes the apparent miscalculation of trading for McNabb is a confidence shaker, but we just have to hope he'll make more right calls than bad .. And yes it'll likely be couple more years before 'Skins really start winning more games & become a contender, but the CULTURE probably has to change first to make that possible & maybe thats already started (and I like seeing that they treated Tryon with some class , even though they traded him away, didnt see much of that with Snyder / Ceratto did we?) ...

Posted by: RoidRage | January 6, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I think the teams that will be interested are:

Zona
Tenn.
San Fran.
Vikings

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse


I don't think the issue is whether teams will be interested.

The issues will be:

1) How many are interested in the terms of McNabb's current contract which is going to pay him about $13 mill next season and salaries escalate from there?

2) How interested will McNabb be in renegotiating the contract to help facilitate a trade versus waiting it out and forcing the Skins to cut him or pay him? The problem with SHanny's stupid handling of McNabb is that DMac and Fletcher Smith are not going to feel compelled to help SHanny on this at all.

3) Will Shanny try to be a tough-guy in negotiating a trade, a-la AH?

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

FInally, the kiss of death on the idea is the fact that JLa reported it. JLa has got to be the strike-out king when it comes to "inside" info. If Glazer or Schefter were making noise, then you'd think there's legitimacy...JLa? Nope.

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:18 AM

Haha, great point...this guy couldn't get inside info for ONE team as a beat reporter, hard to imagine he somehow got better covering all 32...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Yes the apparent miscalculation of trading for McNabb is a confidence shaker...

Posted by: RoidRage | January 6, 2011 8:31 AM

Miscalculation or coup? I've been reading from guys up here that we're going to trade McNabb for more picks than we gave up for him. We got a one-year tryout, plus we'll control the draft either this year or the next depending on when we pull off this trade.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

schizophrenia--defined:

And didn't we trade Jason Campbell for a draft pick?

Yes, only to use two picks to bring in a vet who now we must replace with a pick.

I think we get a 6 or 7 for Tryon.

Yes, and it'll have to go towards another corner as P Buchanan isn't good and Kevin Barnes is switching to FS.

That's where the next AA or BB will come from.

Ehh..these guys where undrafted.

Tryon who was the object of continuous blog ridicule because of his height

Jokes about height and the unability to play are two different things: no one doubted Tryon could play.

Tim Ryan say's..."you show me an all pro CB and I'll show you an all pro DE or a dynamic pass rush.,

So I guess in Ryan's world Revis and Buchanan are the same guy, right?

Explain Pro Bowler DeAngelo Hall, please,.

NE's Devin McCourty--one of the best young corners in the league--plays well for a defense that doesn't get a lot of sacks (not one NE defender is listed in the league's top 30 listing of sack leaders, btw).

Oh well, I guess I'm crazy for not supporting sideways roster moves.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow...lots of revisionist history on Tryon here...time to throw him in the Marcus Mason/Marko Mitchell/Colt Brennan bin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Wow...lots of revisionist history on Tryon here...time to throw him in the Marcus Mason/Marko Mitchell/Colt Brennan bin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse


Put a round peg in a round hole, Brown.

Tryon = Leigh Torrence 2.0

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Doug Dutch say the same thing when he was sent packing up to B'more...wonder what he's up to these days.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

brown, disagree, like I said, I thought he showed enough to stick, and looking at the CB situation on the team now, where they have 1(Hall) and then......it kind of seems like they might have jumped the gun somewhat....to me anyway...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
Thanks for posting the Keim article. I usually find myself nodding my head to most things Keim says but I have to disagree on Barnes. The guy played free safety. He might not have prototypical size for the position but my gosh, the guy tackled and covered better than Moore. How much more evidence do you need? I say send him to the weight room with Landry in the offseason and give him a legit shot at the position in the preseason. Having said that, the team needs to bring in more competition. They need strong coverage skills for free safeties in this defense and trying to fit Doughty in at free safety isn't going to make anyone happy. Oh, to have had Sean Taylor in this defense...

I agree on Hall. Hall is a gambler, but I don't think he's a particularly smart gambler and I think that is the gist of what Keim was saying. I would rather have more consistency at that position with someone who was a little more physical. Still, on the play where Hall was burned in New York, I think there should have been some deep support at safety and it wasn't there, so you can't hang 100% of that touchdown on Hall.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Revisionist History?

from Rich Tandler:

My next candidate for 2009 camp phenom is cornerback Justin Tryon. I’ll wait until the laughter subsides and then I’ll continue.

Tryon was an anti-phenom in 2008. He left scorch marks wherever he went whether it was on the practice field or in preseason games. The stories in the press were far from complimentary. The fan base was willing to chip in and get him on the first plane out of town. When he made the final roster conspiracy theories abounded, the buzz being that he only made it because the front office had ordered that all of the draft picks make the final 53.

But for whatever reason he stuck and, when Shawn Springs was out with various injuries, he played a lot of dime and some nickel. In 14 games he made just four tackles. You didn’t hear of him much. And, for a rookie cornerback, that’s a good thing.

He’s phenom material because he has speed and he has confidence. If he can get his hands on a ball he’ll be able to do things with it. SportsCenter highlight kinds of things. Having a year under his belt will increase his confidence. Tryon will make some plays and get noticed.

We’ll probably be seeing Tryon past August. With Springs gone he has a shot at being the regular dime back. That may or may not prove to be a disaster.

I found it a few days ago and I immediately wished that I had posted it before camp. By all accounts, Tryon is having a great camp. He’s staying on the field, which is more than can be said for about a dozen and a half of his teammates. On top of that he received some help from one of the best cornerbacks in NFL history. Darrell Green didn’t just give Tryon a few pointers; he spend six weeks with him, working with him in both Florida and Virginia.

I don't there's any made up history from this independant source, my friends.

And with that, I'm done on the issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Well played, pfunk...well played indeed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

brown, disagree, like I said, I thought he showed enough to stick, and looking at the CB situation on the team now, where they have 1(Hall) and then......it kind of seems like they might have jumped the gun somewhat....to me anyway...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse


BG, I thought that Tryon had improved enough to stick around. Was he going to be the long-term answer at CB? I don't know.

Truth is Indy pretty much sucks and PEyton Manning is single-handedly keeping that team afloat. If he doesn't have an awesome game this weekend, Jets are going to crush them.

But I bet Haslett looked at teeny-tiny Tryon and decided that he doesn't fit the mold of the physical kind of corner (especially in the slot where he calls alot of corner-blitzes) that the system demands. Sure DHall is an exception. We're paying him $50mill and he'd proven he was adept at getting the turnover - unlike Tryon.

Put Tryon on the list with Andre Carter, Albert Haynesworth and a host of other defensive players who were casualties of SHanny's switch to a 3-4.

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

given the 'status' of Rogers going into the 2011 season, and that Westbrook is what he is, that being a special teamer at BEST, had I my druthers, I'd have held onto Tryon...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 8:29 AM
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Tryon is a squirt and didn't fit the defense. If the Redskins were at fault with Tryon, it was letting him occupy a roster spot through much of the preseason when they could have auditioned a bigger, more physical corner. Hopefully it will sink in this offseason that if a guy doesn't fit the defense, he doesn't fit and needs to go. We don't need anymore of this square peg - round hole stuff. They knew Carter couldn't play linebacker from his days in San Franciscio. They knew Haynesworth was going to be a jerk about playing nose tackle. In 2011, those types of players should be gone before the first OTA.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Well I think Mr. Tryon's opinion would of been different had he played a year under BA and MS. He's just going off the circus that was in town under Cerrato and Zorn.

Good luck to Tryon.. I hope he does something with his opportunity.

Posted by: urbanaslamma | January 6, 2011 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Doug Dutch say the same thing when he was sent packing up to B'more...wonder what he's up to these days.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 8:46 AM

Didn't realize that we signed him back yesterday...should be interesting after he talked smack about the skins training camp after being traded.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Didn't realize that we signed him back yesterday...should be interesting after he talked smack about the skins training camp after being traded.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 9:02 AM

Christ...my bad...read last years futures signings...puting myself in time out for 30 minutes.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow...lots of revisionist history on Tryon here...time to throw him in the Marcus Mason/Marko Mitchell/Colt Brennan bin...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse
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Hey, I liked Tryon and his connection with Darrell Green. I thought he had some potential, but I could see clearly he wasn't what this defense needed. As I just wrote, the team's mistake with Tryon was holding on to him through training camp and some of preseason. They can't afford to do this with players that don't fit. In hindsight, I would rather have seen Haslett flush the whole defensive roster and start over with scrubs that fit the defense. We wouldn't have been any worse off on the defensive line, I can tell you.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Tryon is a squirt and didn't fit the defense"

didn't fit the 32nd ranked defense?? um...but byron westbrook does?? Sorry, but that dog wont hunt....tryon is getting time on the colts team, and the redskins will be looking for corner help this offseason...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse

i was a hater on Tyron so not going to beetch to loudly, but color me not-so-shocked that another jettisoned Skins player goes on to be at least servicible if not productive on another team...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't get where that article factors into the convo...'08 training camp has nothing to do with what he did in '10 training camp. Different coach, different system, different set of circumstances.

All I'm sayin' is that I find it funny that last offseason most people up here were talking about how Tryon is a bum and thank God we got a pick for him. Now that we've struggled against the pass and he's ridden Manning's coattails to a playoff berth, all of a sudden everyone thinks we should've kept him. Just more unintentional comedy on the blog if you ask me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Good luck to Tryon.. I hope he does something with his opportunity.

Posted by: urbanaslamma

You mean like playing regularly on a playoff team?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

I don't get where that article factors into the convo...'08

The point is that you can't pick and choose when a guy has value to win and argument.

You can't say folks are revising history then say, well, the past--a year ago, isn't history.

That's intellectual schizophrenia.

And if a player has a poor camp, why would a Super Bowl runner-up trade for him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

didn't fit the 32nd ranked defense??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:07 AM | Report abuse


31st ranked defense!!!!

Get your facts straight!!!

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The only reason he is even playing is because two of there CB's got hurt, if one of them is healthy this week he wont see the field.

Let's move on please!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 6, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

tryon is getting time on the colts team, and the redskins will be looking for corner help this offseason...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:07 AM


So will the Colts...just sayin'...

Hilarious that folks up here think Tryon climbed his way up the depth chart to starter or something...dude is playing because they've been slaughtered with injuries this year. I mean, folks up here can tell the difference between "playing because you're good and deserve to start" and "playing because you're the last warm body on the roster", right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow Brownwood did you pound 5-Hour Self Importance juice this AM? If I remember correctly you gave up on this team....what week 3?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I am just hoping that they dont package AH and DMac for Vince Young...I sense something stupid like that being discussed, but god I hope not.

The issues will be:

1) How many are interested in the terms of McNabb's current contract which is going to pay him about $13 mill next season and salaries escalate from there?

2) How interested will McNabb be in renegotiating the contract to help facilitate a trade versus waiting it out and forcing the Skins to cut him or pay him? The problem with SHanny's stupid handling of McNabb is that DMac and Fletcher Smith are not going to feel compelled to help SHanny on this at all.

3) Will Shanny try to be a tough-guy in negotiating a trade, a-la AH?

Posted by: p1funk | January 6, 2011 8:33 AM


and if Jake Noodle arm Delhomme was able to get the money he did in Cleveland from Holmgren, I think DMac will be fine with his contract on another team. We have definitely seen dumber things happen in this league...I would wonder if Childress gets picked up somewhere as OC, maybe he would give DMac a call...

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

p1, haha, yeah horrible oversight on my part...

brown, agree to disagree about JTryon, I think he's got some upside, and would have been worth keeping around...compared to Westbrook who has reached his ceiling as a special teamer at best...again, I think that Rogers can't wait to get out of town, thus leaving this team perilously thin at cb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I dont much listen to his opinion. From draft day:

Tryon, who goes by JT, has no lack of confidence in his abilities as a corner, or returning kicks. "I am going to get you to the 50; anytime I catch the ball at least I'm going to get you to the 50."
Asked what the rookie will bring to the Skins, he said "I bring wisdom to the game. I bring heart to the game. I was made for this. I was made to play football. I was made for this ... This is all I can do." Despite being 5-foot-9, the brash kid said he's looking forward to playing the 6-foot-4 guys who catch balls for a living. "I love to compete, so I'm looking forward to guarding T.O. and Chad Johnson and stuff like that."
Asked if he was aware of the other corners already on the roster, Tryon said: "It really don't matter ... That's my spot to take."

Posted by: AdamCr | January 6, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

And if a player has a poor camp, why would a Super Bowl runner-up trade for him?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 9:14 AM


The same reason a presumed SB contender (B-more) would trade for an even worse CB like Doug Dutch...depth.

I just can't believe we're once again discussing a guy who was probably ranked no higher than 50th on the 53 man roster...UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I think that Rogers can't wait to get out of town, thus leaving this team perilously thin at cb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:20 AM

I think that is why a lot of the Mock drafts have us picking up a corner in the first round...yikes! Whether or not Tryon is playing due to an injury or not, has no bearing...he is still playing for a playoff contender and if he wasnt any good, they would have gone another direction during the season, possibly picking up a vet that could fill in, but they have not, they have stuck with Tryon and he seems to be a least consistent.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I think that Rogers can't wait to get out of town, thus leaving this team perilously thin at cb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:20 AM

I think Rogers can't wait to get paid. 'Skins could re-sign him if they want, but they won't get any frequent-buyer discount from him.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry

color me not-so-shocked that another jettisoned Skins player goes on to be at least servicible if not productive on another team...


Some guys have, some have not.

Demetrius Evans didn't.

Antonio Dixon did.

Lloyd balled.

Colt suffered.

JC got benched and now is a established starter.

Rock still thinks he's better than Walter Payton.

Jansen hopes to come back in a '90s style offense.

Ladell was found to be a good addition, you Betts.

Fred Smoot is talking about talking.

Champ may want to come back to the place he wanted to leave to be with the coach who wanted him, not the team that did.

Not that we want him now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Wow Brownwood did you pound 5-Hour Self Importance juice this AM? If I remember correctly you gave up on this team....what week 3?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 9:19 AM

Dude, do you read my posts? I was the one talking folks off the ledge all the way up thru the MNF massacre against the Eagles. I missed a couple December games on TV, but that had more to do with finances than anything.

For the record, I wanted to keep Tryon and see what he's got. But we got a pick for him so it's not a total loss. I just don't get how some of the same people ripping the guy are all of a sudden nuzzling his crotch because he's an injury replacement on a playoff team. Just defies logic, IMHO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Moe is that a cpa's definition of "Some" hardly a list of counter arguments there...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"Tryon is a squirt and didn't fit the defense"

didn't fit the 32nd ranked defense?? um...but byron westbrook does?? Sorry, but that dog wont hunt....tryon is getting time on the colts team, and the redskins will be looking for corner help this offseason...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:07 AM
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Westbrook has been able to hang onto a job because of his special teams contributions, but he is also more physical than Tryon. When I say physical, I mean a guy that can not be redirected when a receiver puts hands on them after the snap. I also mean a guy who is a sure tackler.

I think the gold standard for a cornerback in Halsett's defense is Rod Woodson. The guy was physical. He could blitz. He was fast, but not just fast - he could come out of the backpedal fluidly and change direction quickly, too. Later in his career he moved to safety without batting an eyelash because he was so physical.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I think Rogers can't wait to get paid. 'Skins could re-sign him if they want, but they won't get any frequent-buyer discount from him.

Rogers leaving means we'll have to bring in a corner to replace him and K Barnes.

That's two corners.

And P Buchanan is as useful was wet toilet paper.

Maybe that 6th/7th rounder for Justin Tryon will become Antonio Cromartie.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 6, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

How did Champ play this year in Denver, did not follow any of it...could we get two years out of him, not sure we would want to pay his price, obviously.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

some of the same people ripping the guy are all of a sudden nuzzling his crotch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 9:31 AM

How do you know they're the same ones? Can you really keep track of this stuff? Personally, I try not to have many opinions up here because I can't even keep track of my own opinions, much less everyone else's.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

How did Champ play this year in Denver, did not follow any of it...could we get two years out of him, not sure we would want to pay his price, obviously.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:36 AM
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I think he is still playing at a pretty high level but he's old for a corner and, if Shanahan is true to his word, the team is interested in getting younger.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Didn't realize that we signed him back yesterday...should be interesting after he talked smack about the skins training camp after being traded.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 9:02 AM

Doug Dutch has learned from a real pro: Donovan McNabb. Next time he wants to trash the Redskins, he'll let his agent do the talking so that he can say the next day, "That was my agent. He didn't get any of that from me. I love the Redskins. I plan to start for them next year."

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Texans hiring Phillips as DC is a great move for them, they might actually be able to get over their hump with the talent they have...

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

isn't phillips a 3-4 guru though?? doesn't houston run a 4-3...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

"Who cares what Tryon has to say?"

"This dude sucks anyway."


Typical responses from an ass-stung fan who's bitter that a former player left this sh*tty mess went somewhere else resembling a real NFL organization and made something out of the opportunity he was given. Why blame the former player for speaking the truth? But then again, these comments fall directly in line with someone who gets their face all cracked the f-up at the sight of anything that isn't praising the Redskins.


How about putting the pom-poms down for a second and look at the real problem plaguing this team: Ineptness & flat-out stupidity

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

he is a 3-4 guy, but Kubiak had said he will welcome the transition. Phillips also uses a hybrid 4-3, either way, the guy is a great DC and they need the help.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 6, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

LOL...have any of you guys even watched a colts game this year? You do realize that Justin Tryon is a nickel corner on a team that has lost its starting two corners and has had the major back up hampered for 7 games this year right? At best next year he'll be there 5th corner or not even be on the team.

And how did he have an successful season? He played mostly special teams and made zero impact on defense. He only had 44 tackles (a lot of those on special teams), no interceptions, no forced fumbles, no fumble recoveries and only two pass break ups. Both Kevin Barnes and Philip Buchanan had a way better season than him and are better corners period. The Redskins where right to trade this bum and get something out of it, instead of just cutting him outright.

Face it, the people Shannahan cut, he cuts because THEY CANT PLAY FOOTBALL ANYMORE!!! Doug Dutch, Justin Tryon, Devin Thomas, Fred Smoot, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwirght, Jason Campbell and Colt Brenaman all will get let go or have already been let go because there not any good. These are facts. Finally someone is getting rid of the garbage in this town because the skins have a lot of it.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 6, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse


"Who cares what Tryon has to say?"

"This dude sucks anyway."


Typical responses from an ass-stung fan who's bitter that a former player left this sh*tty mess went somewhere else resembling a real NFL organization and made something out of the opportunity he was given. Why blame the former player for speaking the truth? But then again, these comments fall directly in line with someone who gets their face all cracked the f-up at the sight of anything that isn't praising the Redskins.


How about putting the pom-poms down for a second and look at the real problem plaguing this team: Ineptness & flat-out stupidity

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Red. Your insight is always welcomed with open-arms.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

red, co-sign...this might turn out to be yet another player miss-step/mistake that the team has made this offseason, taking a 4th rounder and turning it into a 7th rounder is just bad business.....oh well I guess....whats done is done...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

just jumping in here - sorry if this has been covered. in discussing the differences btwn the colts and 'skins, tryon left out one HUGE difference. while he's undoubtedly right about the stuff he did mention, the colts also have peyton manning on their team... that guy alone has got to be worth, what, 5,6,7 wins a season?

what do you think the colts record would be if they had an average qb? how 'bout one ranked as low as mcnabb/grossman were this season?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 6, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what Tryon was talking about specifically that was part of the "fashion show". Does this mean a lot of showboating in practice? I would think Shanahan has shut that stuff down. Things like a foot race between Landry and Portis were part of the Zorn regime. It's a shame the outstanding investigative reporters at the Post couldn't have gotten more than a sound bite out of this interview.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

isn't phillips a 3-4 guru though?? doesn't houston run a 4-3...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 9:54 AM


I was thinking the same thing...for as little 3-4 personnel as the Skins had this year, the Texans have it even worse. I mean, what do you do with Mario Williams? Keep him on the line and hope he's Bruce Smith 2.0 or do you move him to LB and risk him turning into Andre Carter 2.0? I can't see that ending well...especially if there's an abbreviated offseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If Byron Westbrook gets released or traded to another team, peeps will be flapping gums about how consistent he was, how much potential was there blah, blah,blah.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

just jumping in here - sorry if this has been covered. in discussing the differences btwn the colts and 'skins, tryon left out one HUGE difference. while he's undoubtedly right about the stuff he did mention, the colts also have peyton manning on their team... that guy alone has got to be worth, what, 5,6,7 wins a season?

what do you think the colts record would be if they had an average qb? how 'bout one ranked as low as mcnabb/grossman were this season?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 6, 2011 10:06 AM
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I think McNabb and Grossman would have had better stats playing behind Indy's offensive line. I know some of this is on Manning but the Colts offensive line has given up the fewest sacks in the league. Good offensive line play makes for productive offense.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Keep him on the line and hope he's Bruce Smith 2.0"

Bills ran 4/3..

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I see it's retard day on RI. I have to go class anyway. Peace

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Doug Dutch, Justin Tryon, Devin Thomas, Fred Smoot, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwirght, Jason Campbell and Colt Brenaman all will get let go or have already been let go because there not any good. These are facts.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 6, 2011 10:03 AM

Almost all of them are facts. You have a problem with Doug Dutch. The Redskins signed him yesterday. So can he or can't he play football?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

JReid spreadin' tha hate. lol. They just jump at a chance to take shots @ WaPo, don't they?

Whatevs. I'm not saying Tryon is wrong. We have plenty of evidence that he's right. But THIS season, where they finally buckle down and start holding people accountable is when you throw out these barbs?

Tryon wasn't here this season, so he isn't speaking about this staff. And comparing a competative team to one struggling in rebuild mode? Kind of an easy lob, no?

Weak. Next.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 6, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"I see it's retard day on RI. I have to go class anyway. Peace

Posted by: iH8dallas"

Don't be late for 2nd period ih8, I hear Ms. Sanchez in Geometry is a real stickler for promptness.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

"Face it, the people Shannahan cut, he cuts because THEY CANT PLAY FOOTBALL ANYMORE!!! Doug Dutch"

completely ignoring that the Redskins just signed Dutch...but facts, schmacts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

If Byron Westbrook gets released or traded to another team, peeps will be flapping gums about how consistent he was, how much potential was there blah, blah,blah.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:08 AM


Co-sign. Seems like there's a pretty sizeable amount of folks up here that hate the guys on the top of the depth chart and root hard for the guys at the bottom of the depth chart. I just can't jive with that logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Don't be late for 2nd period ih8, I hear Ms. Sanchez in Geometry is a real stickler for promptness.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

It's homeroom idiot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"I see it's retard day on RI. I have to go class anyway. Peace

Posted by: iH8dallas"

Don't be late for 2nd period ih8, I hear Ms. Sanchez in Geometry is a real stickler for promptness.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:15 AM

What...has anyone let hessone know that today is retard day!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

One Tryon statement stuck out to me, "it was like a fashion show." Pretty sure that's why Shanny canned half the team and choked out Hayney. Changing that culture is the single biggest improvement Shanny can make. Let's hope he suceeds.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

brown, I think that Super Mario could make the transition to 3-4 DE, however Okoye, I'm not so sure about....he's not big enough to play nose..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Whaaaaaaaa.... JReid posted a thread about Justin Tryon who didn't say sugary things about my Redskins.... whaaaaaaaaaaaa.... he's not that good anyway..... whaaaaaaa.... he's not that good anyway.... i'm so mad i'm repeating myself... whaaaaaaaaaaa.... he's a 5th CB at best anyway..... whaaaaaaaa.... WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign. Seems like there's a pretty sizeable amount of folks up here that hate the guys on the top of the depth chart and root hard for the guys at the bottom of the depth chart. I just can't jive with that logic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 10:17 AM

I've been rooting for poor Byron ever since he was fake-cut before the season.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I see it's retard day on RI. I have to go class anyway. Peace

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 6, 2011 10:12 AM
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That sounds about right. Yesterday was doosh bag day and tomorrow will be WTF day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"Face it, the people Shannahan cut, he cuts because THEY CANT PLAY FOOTBALL ANYMORE!!! Doug Dutch"

completely ignoring that the Redskins just signed Dutch...but facts, schmacts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 10:16 AM
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You see a cornerback in Doug Dutch, but I see another QB trade for him in the offseason. Let's see. Tony Pike in Carolina for Dough Dutch?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 6, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Doug Dutch for Matt Flynn....make it happen Shannallen!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Here's another article to back up what Tryon says. Mike Sellers said that players would actually cuss out Zorn. Say what you want about Shanny being stuuborn and arrogant but that's exactly what this team needs to change the loser culture and keep The Danny in check:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717/index_html?page=1

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for starting the Doug Dutch Mania...he's not a Redskin folks...I retracted that report earlier.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Good for Tryon getting a shot somewhere else. Don't think the 7 passes he managed to defend would have made any impact on the Skins season.

Justin Tryon's ceiling = Philip Buchanon's basement

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

You guys are really reading way too much into this.

By "night and day" diffferences, Tryon was only noting the fact the Colts will generally play more prime time, night games -- given their better record, level of competitiveness, and audience appeal.

Redskins, on the other hand, play more day games -- as befits their status as perennial league laughingstocks and also-rans.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 6, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Redskins, on the other hand, play more day games -- as befits their status as perennial league laughingstocks and also-rans.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 6, 2011 10:43 AM

But they are OUR laughingstocks and also-rans.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

brown, I think that Super Mario could make the transition to 3-4 DE, however Okoye, I'm not so sure about....he's not big enough to play nose..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 6, 2011 10:22 AM

I don't know...playing Mario at DE in a 3-4 seems like a waste of a good pass rusher IMO...but Okoye would either have to go or figure out how to play DE, I'm thinking the former is more likely...

They have no possible prospect for NT, plus they don't have a Landry or a DHall in their secondary. Opposing offenses would cut thru that D like a hot knife thru butter, Wade or no Wade.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RoidRage | January 6, 2011 8:31 AM

Ster- or Hemorr-?

Moe, don't forget Blloyd ... well, scratch that. Let's all forget Blloyd.

But don't forget Chris Clemons, who starts for the Seahawks now ... who ARE a playoff team this year. [And stop laughing.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to know what he meant about the fashion show as well. He must have been talking about the Zorn camp and not Shanny's. Of course we'll have to go to Keim or Fredericksburg to get any actual analysis or depth in a report.

Let's remember that short cb's are very limited in todays game. Wides are much taller on average now than they were in DG's day. And more importantly, working with Darrell Green does not turn you into Darrell Green.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 6, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Tyron showed some progression in 2009 but he benefited from Frenney and Mathis this season. His 5'7 ass would have been toast trying to cover w/o our anemic pass rush.

As Tim Ryan say's..."you show me an all pro CB and I'll show you an all pro DE or a dynamic pass rush."

Again who gives a F. WaPo come back when you've figured out our compensation.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 6, 2011 8:09 AM

Wow....Just Wow...

Trash the guy and the WashPost just so you can continue to say Vinny Sucks, the '08 Draft is a bust, and 4th is crazy and knows nothing about football.

I always supported Tryon and was when they traded him and kept the older Buchanon. A team that makes the playoffs EVERY year wanted our YOUNG CB. That should have told them something. The Colts robbed us.

Now CR22 will roll out and now we gotta depend on old a$$ Buchanon.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Also, Skins cut Jeremy Bridges (guard) in favor of Big Mike Williams (and somebody else) ... early in the season before Bridges played in the Super Bowl for the Cardinals.

The next season (last season), just to keep up and go for a twofer, Skins cut UDFA Kyle DeVan (guard) ... early in the seaosn before DeVan played in the Super Bowl for the Colts.

The primary consolation is that both guys took the stain of the Skins with them, which cursed their respective teams into losing that Super Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Keep him on the line and hope he's Bruce Smith 2.0"

Bills ran 4/3..

Posted by: chrislarry | January 6, 2011 10:11 AM

They also ran a 3-4 when Phillips was the HC and they had Flutie Flakes and Rob Johnson and losing in the Music City Miracle.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Football Outsiders is starting a series on the draft prospects, beginning with the QBs:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/college-relevant/2011/cover-2-qbs-2011-draft-part-i

Posted by: Samson151 | January 6, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

YOUNG CB.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Tryon 26 might want to reconsider that line.

And since they started about the same number of games.

Tryon 0 FF, 0 INT, 7 passes defended
Buchanon 2 FF, 2 INT, 18 passes defended

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse


You guys are really reading way too much into this.

By "night and day" diffferences, Tryon was only noting the fact the Colts will generally play more prime time, night games -- given their better record, level of competitiveness, and audience appeal.

Redskins, on the other hand, play more day games -- as befits their status as perennial league laughingstocks and also-rans.

Posted by: Vic1


Here's another article to back up what Tryon says. Mike Sellers said that players would actually cuss out Zorn. Say what you want about Shanny being stuuborn and arrogant but that's exactly what this team needs to change the loser culture and keep The Danny in check:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717/index_html?page=1

Posted by: scampbell1975


Shout out to you guys for getting it.

Tryon generally speaks on his experience with the Redskins, which by the way according to others is dead ON, and these idiot bamas come up here reciting Tryon's stats as if that made what he had to say without credibility.


Again, never ceases to amaze me how lobotomized-like some of you all's comments read. And lord [Shanahan] help the fan that doesn't lap up, gargle, and swallow everything bussed off/out from Redskins Park.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

What We Learned: Defense

By: John Keim

...The 3-4 scheme wasn’t the issue; rather it was the construction of the defense that led to problems and a 31st ranking. ... The Redskins turned to a 3-4 for the long-term, not just this year. Besides, their top-10 defenses in the 4-3 resulted in zero playoff wins since 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 7:05 AM

Yet somehow Grilliams' version of that same 4-3 won a Super Bowl for the Saints just last year.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

these idiot bamas come up here reciting Tryon's stats as if that made what he had to say without credibility.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The stats are for the people saying it was a mistake to let him go.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Stats is Crap.

Did Tryon let Andre Johnson go in the end zone in single coverage when he was supposed to be doubling him on 4th & 10 from the 25 and let him score easily at the end of regulation?

Buchanon is no more than a nickel in this league. Tryon is still on an incline.

Last time I checked, 26 is 4 years younger than 30....4 years is a long time in the NFL...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Seems like there's a pretty sizeable amount of folks up here that hate the guys on the top of the depth chart and root hard for the guys at the bottom of the depth chart. I just can't jive with that logic...

Posted by: brownwood26


And it only took your boy Donny to get benched for you to come around to come around to that sentiment.... shocking yet predictable at the same time.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

And since they started about the same number of games.

Tryon 0 FF, 0 INT, 7 passes defended
Buchanon 2 FF, 2 INT, 18 passes defended

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | January 6, 2011 11:07 AM

Tryon played in 12 and started in 6.

Buchanan played in 16 and started in 5.

The statistics that aren't tracked is "passes not defended and tackles whiffed."

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Yet somehow Grilliams' version of that same 4-3 won a Super Bowl for the Saints just last year.

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:12 AM

Two related reasons for that: A) they had a dynamic offense in NO and B) the D was free to gamble more for takeaways, something they didn't do much here because of the inept offense. Seems to me it all comes back to personnel over scheme...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Trash the guy and the WashPost just so you can continue to say ... 4th is crazy and knows nothing about football.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 6, 2011 10:56 AM

I don't have to trash anyone to continue to say anything.

[new sentence]

4th is crazy and knows nothing about football (and got lucky a couple few times against the spreads ... but he totally knows nothing about over/under).

Posted by: dcsween | January 6, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"Besides, their top-10 defenses in the 4-3 resulted in zero playoff wins since 2000."

Actually the Redskins top-10 defense in 2005 did win a playoff game...and with the offense providing a record for number of yards.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

for = low

Beeps y'all

Posted by: PlayAction | January 6, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if it was a "mistake" to release Tryon, but it's not like they got better with Buchanon in there.


Oh, whats that??? Huh? OH that does constitute as a mistake???

Who knew?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 6, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Here's another article to back up what Tryon says. Mike Sellers said that players would actually cuss out Zorn. Say what you want about Shanny being stuuborn and arrogant but that's exactly what this team needs to change the loser culture and keep The Danny in check:

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2011/012011/01062011/598717/index_html?page=1

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 6, 2011 10:30 AM

Where did you hear about players cussing Zorn out? I didn't see that in the link. I do remember Zorn sending Haynesworth home from practice ahead of a Cowpies game for discipline reasons last year. Zorn gets little credit for what he tried to do, in spite of Dan/Vinny's interference... even the players said that.

According to Randle El: Dan Snyder held Jim Zorn back

It will be interesting to see how long Snyder can restrain himself from interfering now.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 6, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Folks might dispute this, but the Tryon trade just should not have been made.

There was word that Tryon was an able defender of receivers in the slot, had dedicated himself to becoming a professional cornerback via D Green's help, and was a good guy.

You just can't have enough solid cover corners in the NFL.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 6, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse


Well, except that Tryon honestly didn't play well in DC. I cringed every time I saw his jersey getting beat in a game.

Is the difference coaching? Williams was good, and Blache, say what you might, certainly produced respectable, now nostalgic numbers.

Could a team's attitude make this much of a difference for anyone, or was this just a Tryon thing? It might have just been time to move on.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 6, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Ofocurse its Night and Day. Shanny is an idiot and he makes stupid decisions. So he & Allen will bench/release players who others can use - leaving us desperately thin at key positions.

McNabb, Haynesworth, Jason Campbell, Devin Thomas, Hunter Smith, Justin Tryon....

Meanwhile Gano & Grossman still have a job. Go figure.

Posted by: Rohit_33410 | January 6, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

For as many Tryons there are more players we cut that haven't caught on anywhere else. Lets stay medium and look to the future :)

Posted by: TFizzle | January 6, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Jeff Fisher, I take McNabb figuring his getting the ball to Johnson/Britt/Sciafe is an ideal situation.

Too, McNabb's professionalism is something they'd want in the lockerroom after ridding themselves of VY.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

Personally, I wouldn't take McNabb over Kerry Collins.

Posted by: OintheSierras | January 6, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Justin. It's valuable to hear from ex-skins about how the culture here ACTUALLY was.

He said it was more like a fashion show and that there was more playing around than players being serious about winning.

That is priceless information and is why I hope Shanahan continues to get rid of old skins like Cooley, Moss, Sellers (even though I love the guy), Rabach, Dockery, Heyer, Rogers, etc.

Posted by: keedrow | January 6, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey John Keim.....do you ever key on D. Hall? Yeah, he had 6 picks this year. 4 in one miracle game. Absolute fluke. I shot 33 for nine holes once in my life...and haven't sniffed it since. Hall had only 2 picks the rest of the year. AND IF YOU KEY ON HIM, EVERY QB THROWS AT HIM THE WHOLE GAME!!!! Why do you think that is, John? Like Cutler said " I'd throw at him every week if I could..." Come on man..... Why do you think Cutler said that even after his worst game of the year? Because everyone knows he can't cover his mother. Thank God he's a good tackler so that after his man snags the pass, he usually can bring him down. Then they move the chains......1st down. And Hall beats his chest about his great tackle. Pleeeeeeze.....this guy kills me.

Posted by: Riggo2 | January 6, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Just another indicator (as if we needed any more) that the 'Skins need an iron-fisted-my-way-or-the-hyway guy (like Shanny) to give this team a serious makeover & purge the last decade away .. Yes the apparent miscalculation of trading for McNabb is a confidence shaker, but we just have to hope he'll make more right calls than bad .. And yes it'll likely be couple more years before 'Skins really start winning more games & become a contender, but the CULTURE probably has to change first to make that possible & maybe thats already started (and I like seeing that they treated Tryon with some class , even though they traded him away, didnt see much of that with Snyder / Ceratto did we?) ...

Posted by: RoidRage | January 6, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

the season feels like a step back (we will be underrated in 2011 versus overrated in 2010), but a necessary one - had to get worse before getting better. and shanny had to witness the debacle first hand to realize the extent of the problem.

but i find it hard to dismiss the mcnabb trade - or just hope for better decisions - and it has doused the optimism i might have had for this supposed culture change.

never believed they actually thougth this was a 5 - 6 year trade. so what did they really expect? they gave up a high 2nd round pick (and a 4th to the eagles!?) for this guy. i thought it was a 2 - 3 year stop gap to allow them to install the offense but apparently they thought he was supposed to lead this debacle to the playoffs? it's beyond a confidence shaker for me. i want a fact finding mission, a blue ribbon panel to investigate, etc., but otherwise signs of discipline and principle coming to ashburn are indeed welcome.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 6, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Gee were the Redskins the only losing team in the NFL?One year with Shanahan ,give him a chance , still 6 wins better then 4.Clean house now.

Posted by: dcg326 | January 6, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Gee were the Redskins the only losing team in the NFL?One year with Shanahan ,give him a chance , still 6 wins better then 4.Clean house now.Get full time workers,no more do as you wish.

Posted by: dcg326 | January 6, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Gee were the Redskins the only losing team in the NFL?One year with Shanahan ,give him a chance , still 6 wins better then 4.Clean house now.Get full time workers,no more do as you wish.

Posted by: dcg326 | January 6, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping the new regime will get rid of that attitude at Redskins park. As a free agent with options, ask your self why the Top players would want to go to Washington? It's rebuilding and at least two years away IMO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan |

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The Skins are always two years away in Skins' fans opinions.

The problem is Snyder, who we can't get rid of soon enough, always thinks we're one or two players away from a championship and goes out and signs the likes of AH or DM because he wants a big name to sell tickets.

Just wait this til this offseason, collective bargaining agreement or not, when the Skins will make another big offseason signing splash.

Just wait.

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 6, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss something or was it the new regime
that let Tryon go? Another off season and more evaluations. I wonder who will be the next solid player to be shipped out after the evaluation period? It is truly comical that anyone can defend the Skins decisions and downplay managements mistakes. Looks like Tryon is a solid contributor on a perennial playoff squad. Colts management saw something we didn't and that's why they are always playing for a ring. I'm all for rooting for the home team but not the cost of loosing a grip on reality. When does it stop?

Posted by: Jizel | January 6, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Justin Tryon says playing for Colts is 'night and day' difference from Redskins"

Only one word comes to mind when I see this:

"Duh."

One team has arguably the best GM in football. The other team just got a somewhat respectable one for the first time in over a decade. One team makes the playoffs every year, the other makes it once every Olympics or so. One team routinely build thru the draft and typically gets maximum return on those picks, the other uses picks like they're side dishes for trades.

I wonder if Tryon has any other nuggets of wisdom...like "the sky is blue" or "water is wet"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 6:54 AM |

**********************************

Bitter Much?

How's that "Everything is going perfectly according to Shanazi's plan" working out?

Shanahan will get fired before we are good. Book THAT.

I wonder who the fashion show guys are... Hmmm. Leader of the pack: Clinton "Half Year" Portis.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 6, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I didn't like it when they traded Tryon. I thought he was already a better cover corner than Byron Westbrook, and was more likely to have more room for improvement.

He is also faster and more agile than Westbrook. The problem is Tryon is tiny. He looks thin. I think we kept Westbrook because the coaches wanted our corners to be more physical and because Byron had proved himself adept on the coverage units.

Also of the two, Tryon was probably the only one with any value in a trade. Everyone is clamouring for more picks. The front office traded away someone that they felt they already had a "replacement" for. Ultimately, if they hadn't found a trade partner, they might have kept Tryon instead of Westbrook.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 6, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Kudos for Tryon for getting to a real football organization. I wish him the best of luck.

Everybody who thinks that the 3-4 is the solution to your dreams, think again.

To be a championship team with a 3-4 these days, you need excellent personnel at NT, both CBs & at least 1 OLB. If any of these players fail, you're done.

Most 3-4s are weak against the run between tackles or are weak to short passes to the WRs.

Even the Patriots, the only 3-4 team with consistant championship years, found themselves on the outs when their LBs & CBs faded.

For all the yrs. that Pittsburgh has run it, they usually fade when their NT gets hurt.

I think that the 3-4 is an excuse not to find & develop DL talent. Any team that can either wall off the NT or block him 1 on 1 will have a field day running on the 3-4.

We all know that the Redskins will never have the talent to run it properly.

Posted by: FormerBullisBulldog | January 6, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

He's simply describing the difference between class and a circus.

Posted by: Redskinrex | January 6, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

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