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Griffin Having MRI; Kelly's Knee Swells

Jim Zorn just wrapped up his weekly presser with the schlubs. Here are the highlights:

DT Cornelius Griffin was the only significant injury and is having an MRI on his left shoulder today. Zorn said Griffin has a sprain and the team will "try to get him ready" for Sunday. Rookie WR Malcolm Kelly played sparingly after finally coming back from a knee injury, but his knee is swelling again, so his status will be evaluated through the week.

Jason Taylor continues to try to return from his calf injury, and aims to do more in practice this week. "He will try to rev it up, I know that," Zorn said of Taylor. Safety Reed Doughty has a sore back and lots of players have "bumps and bruises" after playing consecutive NFC East games on the road, but Zorn said those are not major concerns.

Zorn said he did not have an update on LB Marcus Washington's hamstring, and was a last-minute scratch Sunday, but Washington believes he can go this weekend. CB Shawn Springs (calf) expects to play as well, while T Stephon Heyer (shoulder) is unsure if he will be able to practice Wednesday.

Zorn was asked several times if veteran Jon Jansen has played well enough to regain his starting job in Heyer's absence, and the coach wouldn't go there. He continues to praise Heyer's pass-protection ability and said he would take the decision down through the week as he assesses Heyer's health. The running game has been more powerful and diverse with Jansen playing, and the longtime starter has been solid in pass protection as well, but Zorn seems to prefer Heyer.

"He wasn't being punished, we just felt like Stephon Heyer was the guy that could give us more solid protection in the passing game," Zorn said. "And I still think that."

Zorn said he does not expect to make a change at punter in the immediate future after another erratic performance by rookie Durant Brooks.

Washington's rookie pass catchers continue to make a limited impact. Devin Thomas made a nice catch, but also negated a big first down with a careless pass interference penalty, going into his block too early. Zorn said he was ready to pounce on Thomas on the sidelines, then restrained himself when he saw several teammates giving the rookie an earful. "All of our people were on him," Zorn said. Kelly was added to the actives list after Marcus Washington was scratched, but he made no impact, still hobbled a bit by his knee and unsure of the offense.

"He wasn't quite ready as far as being a route runner," Zorn said. "He couldn't help us all that much."

Many Redskins fans are rejoicing over the upcoming schedule, with three straight weak opponents, but Zorn said he fears his team getting overconfident. In typical Zorn form, he said of the next few games - "I'm not going to dance the jig."

Zorn opted not to give the players the day off Monday - he gave them a "victory Monday" following the win in Dallas - and was not met with too much resistance, though the players did cheer for the day off following the game. "We have work to do," Zorn said. "We did not play flawless football."

Zorn said he is still unsure why the officials picked up a flag during a touchdown return by Eagles WR DeSean Jackson Sunday, and could seek clarification from the league.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 6, 2008; 1:22 PM ET
 
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Posted by: batigol85 | October 6, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The officials picked up the flag because they F'D up. I have heard no one mention that Randel El catch where he went to the ground and was never touched and got back up. That was a TD. I understand the whistle was blown but funny thing that whistle wasn't blown when it happened in the eagles favor 5 minutes earlier.

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is seriously made of tissue paper. This guy is a joke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone jumps on Kelly. Give the kid time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how Kelly can ever get confident in his routes if he is too hurt to practice.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

++The gmen havent played ANYONE yet....

Posted by: Zeebs | October 6, 2008 1:33 PM+++

Uh, didn't they play a pretty good 4-1 team?

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"All of our people were on him." Love that Zorn and the staff have "our people"... loving the way this team has coalesced, man, it's amazing...

kmichael, I hated that one, too, but on balance I just can't complain about that particular call... seems like the refs did giveth and did taketh away in equal measure yesterday. For my sins, I was sitting next to an Eagles fan at the sports bar, and he agreed that by the end of the game the bad calls seemed pretty much even.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

They need to just shut Kelly down until after the bye. The guy is useless on gameday, and then he becomes even more useless during practice when his knee blows up from playing 6 snaps. He's no good to anybody when he's constantly fighting an injury.

And where is Fred Davis?

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

(got beeped before posting)

This Redskins team is a very good football team. The last 4 games have all been similar. All against powerful offenses. In each game, the defense has slowed down these offenses. The pass rush has few sacks, but the coverage has been excellent. The 4 man front has done a solid job against the run.

On offense, this is the o-line is the biggest surprise to me. They have good players, but as a unit, they have definitely improved over last season. Because of this, the run game has become a threat.

Nothing has excited me more about this team than the late game drives to close out these wins. Very reminiscent of the early Hogs, with Riggins just chewing clock, the opponents unable to stop what they know is coming. Like when the Yankees brought in Rivera in his prime, it was game over. Well, give the Skins the ball and the lead with 6 minutes left, it is lights out.

No question this team is among the best in the league. No question Jim Zorn was ready to be a HC (and I'll admit to one who had no idea if he was). No question this team has skills, talent and heart. And no player defines this team better than my league MVP choice, London Fletcher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is Corkczar. This screwed up registration deal no longer allows me to sign in as Corkczar,.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:31 PM

Or it works ... and you said something that got you uncorkczared.

Posted by: dcsween | October 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is it me, or does winning breed more civility on this board?

As one who has been guilty in the past, I have to vote "yes."

And I vote for more wins.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone jumps on Kelly. Give the kid time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM

Or, at least, give his swollen knee some time.

Posted by: dcsween | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

bad calls even? Not close. I still say the ref makes the call on block in the back if Jackson has a 4 yard return, not a TD. I think the refs don't want to have a marginal call become a game changer. So he picked up the flag.

On the ARE play, that was looking like 6 points. So I'm not sure how you even out 2 tds in bad calls. Sounds like your bud was drinking an awful lot there, Nate.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

oooh Mr. Belpasht, your legs are sooo swooooolen.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Washington beats Dallas and then Philly and dumbo Peter King still has Dallas #2 and the Skins #4.

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 6, 2008 1:38 PM |

To see how absurd Peter King's rankings are, look at the combined records of each team's opponents:

Redskins' opponents: 15-8
Dallas's opponents: 9-15
Giants' opponents: 5-13

Giants beat the Skins plus two winless teams (Rams, Bengals) and the Seahawks who have won only one game.

The Cowboys haven't beaten a team with a winning record.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Should they IR Kelley

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

SIGN JC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIGN JC 49MIL 19.5 BONUS

SIGN JC 49MIL 19.5 BONUS

JC WILL LEAD US TO 13-3 RECORD

Posted by: poolman1200000 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't the wins. I just made a vow to become a kinder and gentler Anon.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad I read most of the threads so I can catch gems like these. "Winning plays" wasn't Coach Gibbs style? As someone has already said, Gibbs has 3 Superbowl rings, Zorn has 4 regular season wins. Gimme a break.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 6, 2008 1:27 PM

Truth, you are missing his point, no one is saying Gibbs 1.0 was not great!

Gibbs 2.0 was very conservative, and he would not have let Zorn run this type of offense, just like he did not let Saunders run his offense.

Your defense of Gibbs is honorable but Gibbs 2.0 can not be mixed with Gibbs 1.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Thank you my man. No one loves Joe more than I do. This offense is better than Joes was. At this point in time with this group of guys it just seems to work better. It doesn't make Gibbs a bad coach. He took this team out of the gutter and set it back up on a hill.

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 6, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Devin thomas will be a threat as the season continues on. We saw what happens when a D doubles up on Santana; Cooley and Portis eat you up. I'm lookin' for Thomas to become a bigger threat later in the year. I love his build, and he is making some rookie mistakes, but I do like that he seems to have an aggressive mentality, and in the end that will be a positive. I also wonder where Fred Davis is, but I think he will also come around later in the year. When you put so much emphasis on Cooley and Santana, I think our rookies and Randle El will make teams pay.
The no call on the block in the back (during the punt return TD) was irrelevant to me, because it did not look like the Redskin was going to make the tackle anyway. BTW, Randle El did not seem to have been touched at all, and the refs did mess that up. But oh well, we still waxed that Azzzzzzzz. I think the Heyor or Jansen call is a tough one, but hopefully Heyor (when he gets back on the field) can start run blocking like a monster. FLETCHER IS GOD!!!!!

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Uh, didn't [the Giants] play a pretty good 4-1 team?

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM

No. They played a pretty bad 0-0 team. And they looked bad doing it for three quarters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I must say that it surprises me that Zorn would rather run 90% of his run plays to the left than start Jon Jansen. I guess he is having to keep in help on the pass protections, and that hurts the offense more than being completely predictable in the run game.

I hate to second guess the coach, but that offense sure has been fun to watch the last two games.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Watching the game now. Can't tell exactly when the Westbrook injury occurred. After the Jackson punt return TD, and then the Skins punt again, Westbrook chipped Blades on the first play, carried up the middle and was ridden down by Blades on the second play, then walked through his route on the third play, was off the field on the 4th play, and then jogged to the tunnel before the 5th play. Hard to tell for sure.

Posted by: PatM1 | October 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I was only able to watch a small portion of the game, but from what I saw, Jansen held his own in pass protection, he wasn't getting help.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Skins beat NY in DC then we have a chance at homfield in playoffs but thats a long way away.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This has to be one of the games being replayed on NFL network right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Should they IR Kelley

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM

No I think they should just need to rest him the next two weeks. Have him focus on route running and then bring him back. If he has problems with the knee after that then shut it down for the year.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll agree that the no-call on the punt return was a good call. I hate, hate, hate, hate seeing refs make huge impacts on the game. DeSean was gone, no need for that call to be made.

We had a couple calls go against us, sure, but the Eagles did, too. Don't ask me to clarify, I cheer for my team on TV instead of analyzing, but there were two or three calls in the span of 20 minutes that made me tell the Eagles fan beside me that the refs were starting to give some to the Skins.

Either way, we won so none of that matters!


PS Give Brooks sometime, he's still getting used to this. Gotta remember he has played THREE DIVISION ROAD GAMES in his first 5 games. That's tough for vets, let alone a rookie punter. Give him some time, and same for Kelly.

Also, I'm not that upset with Devin Thomas as some people here are, he made a mistake sure but he had a big catch. He'll be fine, he's showing improvement each week.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind benching Jansen. I don't think he'll mind it much either. He'll still come in and play a bunch.

Keep the older guy fresh. Let the kid learn the cohesion of the line. It'll work.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize how fast Rocky Mac is until yesterday. On the pass play to R. Brown where no one touched him and he got up and ran, Rocky actually accelerated and caught up to him. That's speed! Loved seeing that from him - I think his knee is a-ok!

Posted by: -swb | October 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just want to check with CL. Is it raining stockbroakers in NYC right now?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm with JM on this one. Kelly will contribute before the year is through.


Nate,

Just curious what calls seemed bad to you that favored the skins? I can think of a semi-questionable call on the Pass Interference on Thrash but as said above, that was clearly a black in the back and ARE didn't appear to be touched on that play. That is a 14 point swing right there.

Posted by: Gweez | October 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: -swb | October 6, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Griffin Having MRI; Kelly's Knee Swells
Jim Zorn just wrapped up his weekly presser with the schlubs. Here are the highlights:

DT Cornelius Griffin was the only significant injury and is having an MRI on his left shoulder today. Zorn said Griffin has a sprain and the team will "try to get him ready" for Sunday. Rookie WR Malcolm Kelly played sparingly after finally coming back from a knee injury, but his knee is swelling again, so his status will be evaluated through the week.

Jason Taylor continues to try to return from his calf injury, and aims to do more in practice this week. "He will try to rev it up, I know that," Zorn said of Taylor. Safety Reed Doughty has a sore back and lots of players have "bumps and bruises" after playing consecutive NFC East games on the road, but Zorn said those are not major concerns.

Zorn said he did not have an update on LB Marcus Washington's hamstring, and was a last-minute scratch Sunday, but Washington believes he can go this weekend. CB Shawn Springs (calf) expects to play as well, while T Stephon Heyer (shoulder) is unsure if he will be able to practice Wednesday.

Zorn was asked several times if veteran Jon Jansen has played well enough to regain his starting job in Heyer's absence, and the coach wouldn't go there. He continues to praise Heyer's pass-protection ability and said he would take the decision down through the week as he assesses Heyer's health. The running game has been more powerful and diverse with Jansen playing, and the longtime starter has been solid in pass protection as well, but Zorn seems to prefer Heyer.

"He wasn't being punished, we just felt like Stephon Heyer was the guy that could give us more solid protection in the passing game," Zorn said. "And I still think that."

Zorn said he does not expect to make a change at punter in the immediate future after another erratic performance by rookie Durant Brooks.

Washington's rookie pass catchers continue to make a limited impact. Devin Thomas made a nice catch, but also negated a big first down with a careless pass interference penalty, going into his block too early. Zorn said he was ready to pounce on Thomas on the sidelines, then restrained himself when he saw several teammates giving the rookie an earful. "All of our people were on him," Zorn said. Kelly was added to the actives list after Marcus Washington was scratched, but he made no impact, still hobbled a bit by his knee and unsure of the offense.

"He wasn't quite ready as far as being a route runner," Zorn said. "He couldn't help us all that much."

Many Redskins fans are rejoicing over the upcoming schedule, with three straight weak opponents, but Zorn said he fears his team getting overconfident. In typical Zorn form, he said of the next few games - "I'm not going to dance the jig."

Zorn opted not to give the players the day off Monday - he gave them a "victory Monday" following the win in Dallas - and was not met with too much resistance, though the players did cheer for the day off following the game. "We have work to do," Zorn said. "We did not play flawless football."

Zorn said he is still unsure why the officials picked up a flag during a touchdown return by Eagles WR DeSean Jackson Sunday, and could seek clarification from the league.


By Jason La Canfora | October 6, 2008; 1:22 PM ET
Previous: Heyer, Springs, Washington Updates | Next: Time for Predictifying

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Posted by: batigol85 | October 6, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The officials picked up the flag because they F'D up. I have heard no one mention that Randel El catch where he went to the ground and was never touched and got back up. That was a TD. I understand the whistle was blown but funny thing that whistle wasn't blown when it happened in the eagles favor 5 minutes earlier.

Posted by: kmichael76 | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Kelly is seriously made of tissue paper. This guy is a joke.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone jumps on Kelly. Give the kid time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how Kelly can ever get confident in his routes if he is too hurt to practice.

Posted by: will_ga | October 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

++The gmen havent played ANYONE yet....

Posted by: Zeebs | October 6, 2008 1:33 PM+++

Uh, didn't they play a pretty good 4-1 team?

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"All of our people were on him." Love that Zorn and the staff have "our people"... loving the way this team has coalesced, man, it's amazing...

kmichael, I hated that one, too, but on balance I just can't complain about that particular call... seems like the refs did giveth and did taketh away in equal measure yesterday. For my sins, I was sitting next to an Eagles fan at the sports bar, and he agreed that by the end of the game the bad calls seemed pretty much even.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

They need to just shut Kelly down until after the bye. The guy is useless on gameday, and then he becomes even more useless during practice when his knee blows up from playing 6 snaps. He's no good to anybody when he's constantly fighting an injury.

And where is Fred Davis?

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

(got beeped before posting)

This Redskins team is a very good football team. The last 4 games have all been similar. All against powerful offenses. In each game, the defense has slowed down these offenses. The pass rush has few sacks, but the coverage has been excellent. The 4 man front has done a solid job against the run.

On offense, this is the o-line is the biggest surprise to me. They have good players, but as a unit, they have definitely improved over last season. Because of this, the run game has become a threat.

Nothing has excited me more about this team than the late game drives to close out these wins. Very reminiscent of the early Hogs, with Riggins just chewing clock, the opponents unable to stop what they know is coming. Like when the Yankees brought in Rivera in his prime, it was game over. Well, give the Skins the ball and the lead with 6 minutes left, it is lights out.

No question this team is among the best in the league. No question Jim Zorn was ready to be a HC (and I'll admit to one who had no idea if he was). No question this team has skills, talent and heart. And no player defines this team better than my league MVP choice, London Fletcher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is Corkczar. This screwed up registration deal no longer allows me to sign in as Corkczar,.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:31 PM

Or it works ... and you said something that got you uncorkczared.

Posted by: dcsween | October 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is it me, or does winning breed more civility on this board?

As one who has been guilty in the past, I have to vote "yes."

And I vote for more wins.

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Before everyone jumps on Kelly. Give the kid time.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM

Or, at least, give his swollen knee some time.

Posted by: dcsween | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

bad calls even? Not close. I still say the ref makes the call on block in the back if Jackson has a 4 yard return, not a TD. I think the refs don't want to have a marginal call become a game changer. So he picked up the flag.

On the ARE play, that was looking like 6 points. So I'm not sure how you even out 2 tds in bad calls. Sounds like your bud was drinking an awful lot there, Nate.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

oooh Mr. Belpasht, your legs are sooo swooooolen.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Washington beats Dallas and then Philly and dumbo Peter King still has Dallas #2 and the Skins #4.

Posted by: cmecyclist | October 6, 2008 1:38 PM |

To see how absurd Peter King's rankings are, look at the combined records of each team's opponents:

Redskins' opponents: 15-8
Dallas's opponents: 9-15
Giants' opponents: 5-13

Giants beat the Skins plus two winless teams (Rams, Bengals) and the Seahawks who have won only one game.

The Cowboys haven't beaten a team with a winning record.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Should they IR Kelley

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

SIGN JC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SIGN JC 49MIL 19.5 BONUS

SIGN JC 49MIL 19.5 BONUS

JC WILL LEAD US TO 13-3 RECORD

Posted by: poolman1200000 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't the wins. I just made a vow to become a kinder and gentler Anon.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad I read most of the threads so I can catch gems like these. "Winning plays" wasn't Coach Gibbs style? As someone has already said, Gibbs has 3 Superbowl rings, Zorn has 4 regular season wins. Gimme a break.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 6, 2008 1:27 PM

Truth, you are missing his point, no one is saying Gibbs 1.0 was not great!

Gibbs 2.0 was very conservative, and he would not have let Zorn run this type of offense, just like he did not let Saunders run his offense.

Your defense of Gibbs is honorable but Gibbs 2.0 can not be mixed with Gibbs 1.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Thank you my man. No one loves Joe more than I do. This offense is better than Joes was. At this point in time with this group of guys it just seems to work better. It doesn't make Gibbs a bad coach. He took this team out of the gutter and set it back up on a hill.

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 6, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Devin thomas will be a threat as the season continues on. We saw what happens when a D doubles up on Santana; Cooley and Portis eat you up. I'm lookin' for Thomas to become a bigger threat later in the year. I love his build, and he is making some rookie mistakes, but I do like that he seems to have an aggressive mentality, and in the end that will be a positive. I also wonder where Fred Davis is, but I think he will also come around later in the year. When you put so much emphasis on Cooley and Santana, I think our rookies and Randle El will make teams pay.
The no call on the block in the back (during the punt return TD) was irrelevant to me, because it did not look like the Redskin was going to make the tackle anyway. BTW, Randle El did not seem to have been touched at all, and the refs did mess that up. But oh well, we still waxed that Azzzzzzzz. I think the Heyor or Jansen call is a tough one, but hopefully Heyor (when he gets back on the field) can start run blocking like a monster. FLETCHER IS GOD!!!!!

Posted by: marleyb313 | October 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Uh, didn't [the Giants] play a pretty good 4-1 team?

Posted by: TheCork | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM

No. They played a pretty bad 0-0 team. And they looked bad doing it for three quarters.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 6, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I must say that it surprises me that Zorn would rather run 90% of his run plays to the left than start Jon Jansen. I guess he is having to keep in help on the pass protections, and that hurts the offense more than being completely predictable in the run game.

I hate to second guess the coach, but that offense sure has been fun to watch the last two games.

Posted by: SirAnonymoustheGreat | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Watching the game now. Can't tell exactly when the Westbrook injury occurred. After the Jackson punt return TD, and then the Skins punt again, Westbrook chipped Blades on the first play, carried up the middle and was ridden down by Blades on the second play, then walked through his route on the third play, was off the field on the 4th play, and then jogged to the tunnel before the 5th play. Hard to tell for sure.

Posted by: PatM1 | October 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I was only able to watch a small portion of the game, but from what I saw, Jansen held his own in pass protection, he wasn't getting help.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Skins beat NY in DC then we have a chance at homfield in playoffs but thats a long way away.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This has to be one of the games being replayed on NFL network right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 6, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Should they IR Kelley

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 1:59 PM

No I think they should just need to rest him the next two weeks. Have him focus on route running and then bring him back. If he has problems with the knee after that then shut it down for the year.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | October 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll agree that the no-call on the punt return was a good call. I hate, hate, hate, hate seeing refs make huge impacts on the game. DeSean was gone, no need for that call to be made.

We had a couple calls go against us, sure, but the Eagles did, too. Don't ask me to clarify, I cheer for my team on TV instead of analyzing, but there were two or three calls in the span of 20 minutes that made me tell the Eagles fan beside me that the refs were starting to give some to the Skins.

Either way, we won so none of that matters!


PS Give Brooks sometime, he's still getting used to this. Gotta remember he has played THREE DIVISION ROAD GAMES in his first 5 games. That's tough for vets, let alone a rookie punter. Give him some time, and same for Kelly.

Also, I'm not that upset with Devin Thomas as some people here are, he made a mistake sure but he had a big catch. He'll be fine, he's showing improvement each week.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind benching Jansen. I don't think he'll mind it much either. He'll still come in and play a bunch.

Keep the older guy fresh. Let the kid learn the cohesion of the line. It'll work.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize how fast Rocky Mac is until yesterday. On the pass play to R. Brown where no one touched him and he got up and ran, Rocky actually accelerated and caught up to him. That's speed! Loved seeing that from him - I think his knee is a-ok!

Posted by: -swb | October 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just want to check with CL. Is it raining stockbroakers in NYC right now?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 6, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm with JM on this one. Kelly will contribute before the year is through.


Nate,

Just curious what calls seemed bad to you that favored the skins? I can think of a semi-questionable call on the Pass Interference on Thrash but as said above, that was clearly a black in the back and ARE didn't appear to be touched on that play. That is a 14 point swing right there.

Posted by: Gweez | October 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

They didn't even call Samuel for PI on that one. They mad e a 5 yard holding call.

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm watchin' the replay here & there was a block in the back. It happened right after one of our guys got BURNT. So maybe that's why the ref's thought it was a no call.

Actually, the first man down got a tap in the back too. So maybe that's what they were initially looking at. But again, that happened after Desean kinda beat 'em.

We won anyway, so why sweat it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

two things to point out:

nobody seems to be talking about how the skins have won 8 of their last 9 regular season games. i think that's the best in the NFL. that's impressive.

clinton portis's best year as a redskin (before this one) was 2005. perhaps not coincidentally, that was the last year that jon jansen was healthy at right tackle.

Posted by: dcunited5 | October 6, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

There's an echo in here!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Just because someone got past a player doesn't mean they should be allowed to be illegally and dangerously blocked in the back. That is like saying well the defensive lineman wasn't near the play so you can chop block him. Who knows if any of the players involved woudl have recoverd and caught Jackson. More than likely not, but you can't bend rules that are there for players safty.

Posted by: Pleepleus | October 6, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, in that case, Pleep, we shoulda gotten TWO flags on dem iggles.

I was pretty shocked when there was no penalty after all. It was an OBVIOUS block in the back. 2 of 'em, really - but the second was smothering.

I think we need stiffer review of the refs anyway. Are they still 'part time' employees of the league? That should stop too. And there should be a separate review board, outside of the league.

If they did all that, they could get rid of replay, as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

They need to just shut Kelly down until after the bye. The guy is useless on gameday, and then he becomes even more useless during practice when his knee blows up from playing 6 snaps. He's no good to anybody when he's constantly fighting an injury.

And where is Fred Davis?

Posted by: psps23 | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya...but I also think you don't show your whole cookie jar this early...especially if your winning...Who knows ...down the stretch in a huge game...Davis might pop up on a few crucial first downs....I am not questioning anything they are doing right now...cause whatever it is...it's working...BIGTIME!

Posted by: leevi98 | October 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does the officiating in the NFL seem particularly bad this year? Calling Mr. Goodell . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | October 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

They were wrong about our QB...post a negative reply

Here is the link...

http://www.playersvoice.com/nfl/not-just-black-and-white.html

Posted by: dboog | October 6, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Whomever scouted Kelly needs to be fired!!! how could you not know, this kid is more fragile than a ming vase did this "scout" conduct due dilligence with the staff at Oaklahoma, and what about our medical staff this is a wasted pick he will never contribute ever!!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | October 6, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Three major missed or partially missed calls that favored the Eagles:

1) Jackson punt return had at least one block in the back (flagged picked up) and one that was marginal that wasn't. That flag wouldn't have been picked up in D.C. If a penalty flag was thrown, the play should have been called back, no different than the illegal man downfield penalty on Rabach last week which had no bearing on the play...did the refs pick up that flag?

2) Holding call on Samuels on deep ball to Thrash was a blatant PI that would have given the Skins 30-35 yards of extra yardage. Even Aikman who is Skins-hater said Samuels didn't ever play the ball and that is should have been pass interference.

3) ARE catch - he was never touched and a good 5 seconds passed before a ref who was 20-30 yards DOWNFIELD blew the whistle. On a similar play earlier in the 2nd half, Reggie Brown got up, ran, and no whistle was blown. ARE's catch and subsequent run would have been a touchdown that put the game away.

You add up 3 MAJOR missed calls and the score is more like 30-10 than 23-17.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

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