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Kelly, McIntosh to Avoid the Knife

Jason La Canfora reports:

Rookie wide receiver Malcolm Kelly, who was inactive or hurt much of the year, said no future procedures are planned for his left knee (he had arthroscopic surgery early in the season and the knee repeatedly was drained). Linebacker Rocky McIntosh, who has also required several procedures on his knees since college, said he needs no offseason medical work, either.

The medical staff believed at one point that Kelly would need a another procedure to clean out or repair the knee, but Kelly said that only rehab is scheduled. Kelly has been working with a Toronto specialist that corner Shawn Springs introduced him to, and he plans to see him throughout the offseason as well as working out with veterans in Arizona.

"I'm going to focus this offseason on my biomechanics, a lot of things around my knee that will prevent it from acting up," Kelly said. "I'm going to go to Arizona sooner rather than later and make sure I get on that and come into camp and make sure I stay healthy."

McIntosh, who made a speedy return from season-ending knee surgery in 2007, has played less often down the stretch, but said any drop-off in production was because of fatigue, and not his knees, which have been 'scoped several times in recent years, "It has nothing to do with the knees, it's just guys are getting tired and everybody rotates," McIntosh said.

By Cindy Boren  |  December 28, 2008; 9:31 PM ET
 
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"Thanks psp. I might be occasionally blinded by my love for this team, but I am not so myopic as to not understand your very obvious and very basic stated fact that their is indeed a Zorn-Cerrato connection...OK he hired him. And your point is? How does that contradict what I wrote? I realize that those two donkeys hired him. I think it will turn out to be a good choice...IF, IF, IF we start to draft better and regard F/A as a means to compliment the draft, not a chance to assemble the Who's Who of NFL Has Beens.

You give a guy two seasons or you don't bring him in at all.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG"

You're obviously not getting it. Either that or you're purposefully ignoring the very basic question that I've been posing for the last hour on this blog.

Either you've given blind faith to Zorn by saying "you can't judge based on one year", or you've seen something that makes you say "he's going to be a good coach".

If it's the blind faith aspect, then it's not worth arguing, because that blind faith is based on the hiring of a no-credential guy hand-picked by one of the most inept front offices in the NFL.

So again, I ask what have you seen from Zorn that tells you that he will be a good head coach in the future - taking into account his main impacts on the team (meaning the offense)? What makes you think, given the talent level this team has (which is actually high, despite whatever complaints you have) that this team has a bright future under the tutelage of Jim Zorn?

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

obviously certain things need to change around here for next year, but losing only means a higher draft pick next year. also, the big news today is that the COWBOYS LOST. and, they're terrible. i mean, we beat the eagles 10-3 a week ago and they just lost 44-6 to the same team....

Posted by: mopp04 | December 28, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

sproles is the cutest "running back" ever!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

lmg, we agree on the big part that the FO is the problem. BUT you and jasno don't understand that the FO hired the coach. FO sucks, their process of hiring this coach sucks and their f'ed up coach sucks.


so does this mean that san diego is going to the playoffs? a norvelle team?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Sproles is a miniature Jones-Drew...if there is such a thing!

Posted by: gregskins | December 28, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

There are two glaring problems which have haunted the Redskins, and for which Zorn cannot be blamed. One is the lack of a reliable pass rusher, with due respect to Jason Taylor. The other is the lack of a receiver to complement Moss. The only way Zorn can be blamed for that is if he is being too cautious in integrating Kelley and Thomas into the passing game, or Wilson into the pass defense packages.

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Zorn clearly had his share of shortcomings but to say he had an abundance of talent on offense is really overstating things. The Skins have one wr (Moss) who is a middle of the pack #1 receiver, one wr (ARE) who might be able to play for about half the NFL as a #3, one wr (Thrash) who just isn't an NFL wr and two rookies who couldn't learn an abbreviated NFL playbook. That's the talent at wr. You add one very good tight end (one journey man and one rookie who can't learn an abbreviated playbook), and one very tough rb who isn't fast enough any more to really take a run longer than 20-30 yards. You put them behind an old and broken down Oline with a qb who is learning his millionth playbook (and who hasn't yet shown many glimpses of the potential to be an elite qb), and that's what you got.

People can drink the koolaid and believe that we have great talent but I'd say we only have average talent.

Posted by: thinker11 | December 28, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

yup...at 8-8, the Chargers get in with Norvelus as AFC West Champs & will likely make a prompt exit along with the NFC West Champ Cardinals.

Posted by: gregskins | December 28, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I saw him take this team into Philly and beat them. I saw him get the guys ready for the last game at Texas Stadium, a game where we were 13 pt dogs, and whip them soundly (final score notwithstanding). I saw him turn Matt Hasslebeck into a Pro Bowl QB. His dedication to helping JC get to the next level. Got his team to play their asses off when the season was all but over against a red hot Philly team. I don't care that it was 10-3. Were you at the game? I was. That was not pretty. But it was a great team win. And I saw him coach to win today- too bad our normally steady defense was off and our best 2 players had 2 very untimely mistakes.

I saw how he has the cajones to not back down to a star player but also the magnanimity and "bigger picture" vision to know that that is relationship is a must, so he worked to iron out things with CP.

I have seen a lot from JZ to make me get more grey hair than a 30 yr old should have. I am not a Jim Zorn sycophant/yes man, please don't paint me as such. But I have seen MORE than enough to believe (please do note that I wrote, as I did in previous posts "believe", not "know for a fact") that this guy has "it" and can suceed as a head coach.

Not a fact bro, just my humble if ardent opinion.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again, just like I did almost 1 year ago....... "Who the f^%k is Jim Zorn?"

Posted by: thebobbyjoeearl | December 28, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

All kidding aside, though. You get this team a line that can protect Campbell and a line that can pressure a QB, and you have a SERIOUS contender....

Posted by: thebobbyjoeearl | December 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

so he worked to iron out things with CP.

by not running him from inside the five against cincy? is that how he irons things out?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn should stay, but....

His play-calling is wack...

He has three running backs, not one tired looking guy in a number 26 jersey...

He should've benched his starting quarterback for a game as no one should be allowed to be as continually ineffective as he has been...

He lets his great defense carry the team out of what seems to be a fear of having his quarterback attack opposing defenses...

His line is bad? Maybe he hasn't heard of max protection using a big rookie tight-end...

He should've benched Randle El..

He can't explain why Thrash is on the field while the draft picks wide outs sit....

His running game consists of never using his great pulling guard to pull and lead sweeps and trap plays...

He should dump the smoke screen, the curls, the hitches, the arrow routes....

He should just be a head coach and let someone else calls plays...

Otherwise, next year at this time, he should be gone...


Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

the WCO worked in Seattle & worked in Philadelphia with running backs & QB's with different styles. Neither Philly (execpt when T-O was there) nor Seattle had premier WR's yet they stretched the field. Alexander in his prime was effective and put up points (albeit mostly against the weak NFC West) Westbrook saw/sees the bulk of the action in Philly either with passes out of the backfield or runs/cutbacks outside the tackles. WCO can work but we don't have the personnel to do anything other than smashmouth with Portis, play action deep and screens to Moss and middle of the field to Cooley. We lack many of the other parts.

Posted by: gregskins | December 28, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

p.s. - PSP, thanks for your kind patience for a simpleton like me who just "doesn't get it" You're a gentleman and a scholar.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

by chewing a rookie punter?

by not having anyone but are return punts?

by calling 5 yard pass routes on 3rd and 8s?

by blaming players for not executing?

by not changing the gameplan? (his offense scored 3 points against philly's D) the dude's offensive genius has been figured out.

the dude is plain dumb.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

LMG That is some spin my man.....love your passion, but that was some horse siht in defense of zorny...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

so he worked to iron out things with CP.

by not running him from inside the five against cincy? is that how he irons things out?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

oh, so that was personal? wow, who needs LaCanfora, we have the real insider right here!!

myabe just maybe he thought that the defense had to be keying on CP after Sellers had gotten the previous carry, and that a 280 lb Pro Bowl manchild was going to be able to get a yard when we needed it. How easy to question the call after Sellers fumbles, sure. But to infer that it was a childish snub by the HC? I strongly disagree there, dealer

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

thinker11,

You're so right it hurts to admit it...

The Skins offense is a collection of parts that don't fit...

The obvious lack of fluid offensive production is noticable when you watch other teams and notice each quarterback has options to go to when one guy is shut down, but with the Skins, the q-back scans the field for guys who aren't there...

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

For me the jury is still out on Zorn because I have no way of telling if the problem is the coaching or the players. If the players are average and your record is average does that reflect poorly on the coaching? Is there more the coach could have done to get more out of the players? Remember this was also a learning experience for the coach.
If Zorn is back the two things I hope he learned from this year is don't be as conservative and allow JC to take risks. I saw JC back to throw deep several times today and each time he either checked down, ran or got sacked. Every now and then you just need to let it fly and give your players a chance to make a play, if it gets intercepted just hope your defense can hold.

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

LMG That is some spin my man.....love your passion, but that was some horse siht in defense of zorny...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 28, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

happy to hear where I stepped in it. Enlighten me, if you please. I'm here to learn from my wise elders.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn will be fine. In any event, I think we're better off seeing how he and Campbell progress than following the Redskins M.O. of scrapping the plan and starting over.

Lets stick with a plan. It might be the wrong one, but it'll be the first time we tried sticking to one since the fall of Norv.

The most important question is, based on today's results, where do we draft? 15?

Posted by: LiberalMike | December 28, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

lmg, we agree on the big part that the FO is the problem. BUT you and jasno don't understand that the FO hired the coach. FO sucks, their process of hiring this coach sucks and their f'ed up coach sucks.


so does this mean that san diego is going to the playoffs? a norvelle team?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 28, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

way too early to draw such a harsh and emphatic conclusion on Zorn. The thing you don't seem to understand is that the entire football world figured us for 7-8 wins this year. So how does he suck if in his first year he met general expectations? And why do you reject the notion - the fact - that we were a couple of plays from 10-6? Would he have sucked if that freak play with Kendall didn't happen vs. the Rams and if Sellers had punched it in from the 1? I just don't get it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

In earlier posts people kept mentioning the Redskins in the same breath as Detriot, Cin, and Oakland. I think the more appropriate company is:

Dallas
NO
Green Bay
Chicago
Buffalo
NY Jets
Denver

These were all teams that had playoff potential around mid season and failed down the streach.
Also don't forget about Jacksonville and Cleveland who were going to be contenders this year. The margin for error in the NFL is very tight and it is very easy to go from contender to pretender.

The Redskins could be a decent time quickly if the young players continue to develop and the FO makes some good additions (however the odds are not good based on past track record).

Posted by: lifelongfan | December 28, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"People can drink the koolaid and believe that we have great talent but I'd say we only have average talent.

Posted by: thinker11"


Average talent with an average coach should yield average results.

We have an offense that will end up ranked 28th in the NFL in points scored per game. That is not "average". That is well, well below that standard.

San Francisco 49ers, Miami Dolphins, Detroit Lions, and the Seattle Seahawks will all end up scoring more points on the season than the Redskins. The Oakland Raiders will be within 5 points of us on the season. Are you telling me that they all have equivalent talent on the offensive side of the ball?

I'm just trying to see things the way they are, as purely and objectively as I can. Jim Zorn did not get it done.

Posted by: psps23 | December 28, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Why all of the talk about "young talent" on this team? Where is that? Look at the number of contributing 1st and 2nd year players on teams like the Giants - that's young talent! This team is old in many key spots and getting older in others. The difference between a rookie QB, Flacco, and the 4th year guy Campbell (27 now) is astounding. To get young talent you have to have a couple of good drafts - I haven't seen any of those from the Skins. Blow them up and see what happens starting with the FO on down.

Posted by: bendersx6 | December 28, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

for a first year coach with a new style of offense with a team built on running to set up the pass jim zorn and the redskins finished good.sure atlanta did better but they don't play in the nfc east and neither do the ravens. the draft last year was supposed to supply the talent they lacked at the wide out position but that blew up in our faces. if we can get help on both sides of the line especially a great pass rusher or two like we knew we needed for a few years now, i think this team can be a contender for years to come. jc has shown he can make the quick throws needed for this offense he needs time to get the ball deep and someone there to catch it. and a good speedy young back to compliment portis wouldn't hurt either

Posted by: nflorida1 | December 29, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

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