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Ken Harvey talks of suffering in Haiti

The scene in Haiti is overwhelming and, as he spoke by telephone, former Redskins linebacker Ken Harvey was still processing what he'd seen over a two-day trip to the island.

"You're walking down the street, you see nothing but rubble. People walking around, they don't really have any place to go. You talk to people, and they're afraid to go back in their homes because things aren't structurally sound," said Harvey, who was with the Redskins from 1994-98. "You start to realize the magnitude."

Using Redskins owner Daniel Snyder's jet, Harvey and a group of 12 flew into Haiti on Sunday on a relief trip sponsored by the Redskins and Diageo, a leading beer and liquor distributor. Harvey's group distributed about 50,000 pounds of food, clothing and medical kits to the area that was devastated by last week's earthquake.
 
We'll have more on this, but the sights that Harvey described are not unlike the horror we've been reading about in newspapers and viewing on the television since the quake occurred.

"It's hard to describe the smell," Harvey said. "It's a unique smell. You can smell it coming. It's death. It's bodies decaying. You want to put on your mask, but then you feel guilty because you realize that there are people that are going to have to deal with this all every day. They can't just put on a mask and pretend it doesn't exist. Even if I wanted to turn away, I can't turn away. I'm only here for a short time. But this is their life.

"You walk by, and you see a body. Well, they see one of their relatives. That smell is a reminder of everything that's happened."

By Rick Maese  |  January 19, 2010; 4:13 PM ET
 
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Comments

for all the siht I got with my talk of aircraft carriers adapted to disaster relief, there has to be better ways of doing disaster relief than what we've seen in Haiti.

Large scale disasters happen, and yet it seems like every time, we are starting from scratch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of handling Haiti, did anyone see the commercial with Bill Clinton and George W. Bush? It sickened me to see that POS(Bush) even talk about disaster relief. Not only that but he had that stupid siht eating grin on his face. It really bothered me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

So tragic and sad.....

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 19, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree Zce. It has to be a better way of getting relief to people. My heart just break everytime they show the children.

Posted by: jm220 | January 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree Zce. It has to be a better way of getting relief to people. My heart just break everytime they show the children.

Posted by: jm220 | January 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Problem isnt getting aid to Haiti. Its distributing it to the inland areas. Aircraft carriers would only have the aid stacking up at the beach as opposed to stacking up at the airport, such as the current situation.
When there was hardly an infrastructure to begin with its hard to deal with the ramifications once any semblance of that infrastructure becomes the barriers you must navigate through.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Problem isnt getting aid to Haiti. Its distributing it to the inland areas. Aircraft carriers would only have the aid stacking up at the beach as opposed to stacking up at the airport, such as the current situation.
When there was hardly an infrastructure to begin with its hard to deal with the ramifications once any semblance of that infrastructure becomes the barriers you must navigate through.

Posted by: Stu27

Helicopters would be used instead of aircraft on a dedicated disaster relief carrier. They are very flexible, can carry decent amounts of stuff and need relatively small landing sites

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

for all the siht I got with my talk of aircraft carriers adapted to disaster relief, there has to be better ways of doing disaster relief than what we've seen in Haiti.

Large scale disasters happen, and yet it seems like every time, we are starting from scratch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

We had a lot of fun at your expense, zcezce. And we know you are sincere about trying to deal with disasters. The problem is that each one is unique, infrastructure is generally destroyed, and the number of people needing assistance is overwhelming, hence the term "large-scale disaster".

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

I agree completely.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

They need to fly some helicopters over and drop off supllies outside of the capital into hard to reach places.

All those DANG supplies over there but yet none of it has reached A WHOLE BUNCH of people who are in desparate need of it......

They got all those freakin News Cameras over there showing people fighting for the last bits of food, but not one pound of those 50,000 lbs of food can get their?

GTF outta here

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 19, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, i know that smell. I was on the gulf coast after Katrina. It will last for 3 or 4 weeks.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

We have everything it takes to do the job.

Disasters happen frequently, but it's easier to just block it out.

But this one happened at our doorstep and we've still sensitized by Katrina.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the Carrier approcah, but who funds it number one. Cargo helis are expensive as are aircraft carriers. What if multiple large scale disasters occur at the same time, who gets the carrier?
The reason its seems like they are starting from scratch every time a large scale devastation like this occurs is because they are. No two situations are ever the same in these extreme instances.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

We had a lot of fun at your expense, zcezce. And we know you are sincere about trying to deal with disasters. The problem is that each one is unique, infrastructure is generally destroyed, and the number of people needing assistance is overwhelming, hence the term "large-scale disaster".

Posted by: frediefritz

that's the thing. Every disaster seems to have several very common elements:

food
drinking water
medical supplies
road clearing
shelter
blankets
no electricity
no fuel
people stuck
etc

Every disaster is different, but there are a ton of elements that are common in just about every one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

hey anyone here have a equation so that we can create a rating system to determine the quality of o-line play based upon available stats on official sights like NFL.com?

I have one I made up myself for Running backs TE's and WR's but none for O-line.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 19, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The worst thing I saw on the news was a child getting a leg amputated with a hacksaw. Thode are the only supplies doctors had down there, and they had to sterilize it with vodka. Unfortunately I think the worst is still to come. It's really just sad.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, BTW, I like the New England chowdah. Manhattan is better turned into a seafood pasta dish.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Large scale disasters happen, and yet it seems like every time, we are starting from scratch.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:26 PM

Zeke, we get it. The professionals know nothing and only you can manage disaster relief. You should send your resume into President Obama -- he really needs a few more guys with hubris.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the Carrier approcah, but who funds it number one. Cargo helis are expensive as are aircraft carriers.

Posted by: Stu27

The expense would be substantial and unless other countries to pony up, this never happens.

On the upside, I could see a lot of staff being 'donated' -- a year of volunteer work not unlike a Peace Corp stint. Lots of med professionals already donate their time.

A lot of the key materials are cheap. Water, tents, blankets, food bars, etc.

Use retiring vessels, not new ones. The craft, its operation, equipment and maintenance would be costly, but its a fraction of what a new and equipped carrier would cost to build and operate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I was always a fan of Ken Harvey the football player and now I'm a fan of Ken Harvey the person.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

that's the thing. Every disaster seems to have several very common elements:

food
drinking water
medical supplies
road clearing
shelter
blankets
no electricity
no fuel
people stuck
etc

Every disaster is different, but there are a ton of elements that are common in just about every one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 4:52 PM

Completely agree w/zce, however most of the world like RI will come up w/reasons why it can't be done instead of why or how it can be done.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, we get it. The professionals know nothing and only you can manage disaster relief. You should send your resume into President Obama -- he really needs a few more guys with hubris.

Posted by: League-Source

I'm saying if you give professionals better tools, they can do a better job. If what is occurring in Haiti can't convince you that there is a need for better tools, not sure what can.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Zce, comletley agree with the thoughts. A whole new globally encompassing approach needs to be taken to large scale disaster relief(and preventions, but thats another story all together). Problem is countries rarely like to agree on funding and donating goods or services that they cannot direct.
As we have seen the response is always there, aid and service donations. I hear today that the text donations have passed 22mil. The medical professions and med industry has always been on the forefront of donating their time and services to releif. so to with food and beverage corps like Diageo.
Seems to me that countries themselves wont get involved on such a scale unless they are getting credit for it. This leads to an unorganized global approach, hence Tons of aid is right now sitting on a tarmac miles away from where it should be.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

on a quick change of subject, saw the note the Chris Meidt was gone. Zorn doesn't deserve much credit, but I think his hiring of Meidt was one of his best and most innovative decisions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I too was intrigued by the Meidt hire; however, I found it impossible to determine what kind of impact/contribution he may (may not) have made.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 19, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we just fly a bunch of B-52's over the island and carpet-bomb them with supplies?

Posted by: edvar | January 19, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I noticed Israel has the equivalent of a MASH unit there doing what they can. Where is our help. Oh yeah we just sent some troops. A week late and a dollar short, but Health care passage is the most important item on Obama's plate right now. He could make a trip to Massachusetts for getting out the vote.

Now back to football.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

A whole new globally encompassing approach needs to be taken to large scale
disaster relief(and preventions, but thats another story all together). Problem is countries rarely like to agree on funding and donating goods or services that they cannot direct.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse


Actually, I think there is a pretty strong global consensus in place about stuff like that.

Everyone sits back while the U.S. funds and mans all the projects, until everyone else decides they don't want the U.S. around anymore.

Then the U.S. is supposed to apologize for being imperialists and leave with hat-in-hand.

Posted by: p1funk | January 19, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse


We sent Bill Clinton.

I'd like to see Israel top that.

Posted by: p1funk | January 19, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

We sent Bill Clinton.

I'd like to see Israel top that.

Posted by: p1funk | January 19, 2010 5:42 PM

Now that was funny. LMAO

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think there is a pretty strong global consensus in place about stuff like that.

Everyone sits back while the U.S. funds and mans all the projects, until everyone else decides they don't want the U.S. around anymore.

Then the U.S. is supposed to apologize for being imperialists and leave with hat-in-hand.

Posted by: p1funk

way too much truth in that

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

We help out when its in our backyard. Please we are still far more global police then global sympathizer.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

So, 12:18 California time. Cork slept off his Boone's Farm, got out of bed, showered, and is ready for a big day on RI. Welcome back, Cork. It hasn't been the same without you.

Posted by: League-Source |

Thank you, but BFA? Seriously? I don't drink that crap. I'm a Ripple man.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Earthquakes like this have ravaged places like Turkey, India and China and its no more than a blip on our CNN and FOXNews (you know you watch it) bottom scrollers. We could do a whole lot more as a country to help the world. Stop lying to yourselves.

Also, this isn't the 1st time that Mr. Snyder has used his private jet for philanthropic purposes. He needs to get some credit now and then. He seems less and less Napoleon as time goes on.

Posted by: Dorf | January 19, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

We help out when its in our backyard. Please we are still far more global police then global sympathizer.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 19, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse


One might argue that proper policing is a prerequisite to any other kind of help.

Frankly, what Haiti needs now is some police.

There are plenty of supplies pouring in, but no way to carve through the mayhem to get them where they need to be in an organized fashion.

Posted by: p1funk | January 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think there is a pretty strong global consensus in place about stuff like that.

Everyone sits back while the U.S. funds and mans all the projects, until everyone else decides they don't want the U.S. around anymore.

Then the U.S. is supposed to apologize for being imperialists and leave with hat-in-hand.

Posted by: p1funk

way too much truth in that

Posted by: zcezcest1

So true!

I also think dropping more food and supplies into the interior of Haiti is akin to dropping it into "south central", wherever USA. The point is the criminals control the land and the needy won't get it. Here they are called gang members, there, warlords. Women are being raped and people killed as the criminals establish their authority over the populace. Alas, it has been this way forever in Haiti. Sad, real sad.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

What's next will be we, the US, will pay for a massive rebuild with homes, buildings being built to current codes, all the while our own land has buildings unsafe to inhabit, and bridges deemed unsafe to drive over and we hear we don't have the funding to repair. UFB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What's next will be we, the US, will pay for a massive rebuild with homes, buildings being built to current codes, all the while our own land has buildings unsafe to inhabit, and bridges deemed unsafe to drive over and we hear we don't have the funding to repair. UFB!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 6:30 PM |

Yes but don't ever forget that buildings and bridges, unlike unions, do not vote. So sad, but true.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

According to Fox, Rhino was attempting to pull open the locked door of a pizza restaurant after hours.

ME WANT PIZZZZAAAA AHHHH!!!!!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 19, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

So, 12:18 California time. Cork slept off his Boone's Farm, got out of bed, showered, and is ready for a big day on RI. Welcome back, Cork. It hasn't been the same without you.

Posted by: League-Source |

Thank you, but BFA? Seriously? I don't drink that crap. I'm a Ripple man.

Posted by: TheCork | January 19, 2010 6:10 PM

Thunderbird myself. Sometimes I step it up to MD 20/20.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

We could do a whole lot more as a country to help the world. Stop lying to yourselves.


Excuse me?

When the hell did it become our OBLIGATION to help anybody? Yes, EVERYBODY could do more. Seems like the world is not very appreciative of our presence of late.

Cuts both ways.

...and of course F DALLAS!

Posted by: edvar | January 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird myself. Sometimes I step it up to MD 20/20.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 6:48 PM |

Hey Scamp whats the word?
Thunderburd

Whats the price?
Dollar twice

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 19, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

JASON LA CANFORA
Redskins hire Burney to be D-line coach
Posted: January 19th, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: Bob Slowik, Danny Smith, Jacob Burney, Jerry Gray, Mike Shanahan, Steve Jackson, Washington Redskins

The Redskins continue to round out their staff, hiring Jacob Burney to be their new defensive line coach, according to league sources.

Burney began contacting players this afternoon to let them know he was now coaching that position. Burney’s hiring was expected.

The Redskins also are retaining safeties coach Steve Jackson and special teams coach Danny Smith. Secondary coach Jerry Gray has left to take a similar role with the Seahawks, and Bob Slowik, who has a long history with new coach Mike Shanahan, likely will take over as secondary coach.

The Redskins have yet to fill their offensive line and tight end coaching positions.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

We could do a whole lot more as a country to help the world. Stop lying to yourselves.


Excuse me?

When the hell did it become our OBLIGATION to help anybody? Yes, EVERYBODY could do more. Seems like the world is not very appreciative of our presence of late.

Cuts both ways.

...and of course F DALLAS!

Posted by: edvar | January 19, 2010 6:55 PM |

Don't be delusional, the word WE connotates that these people would contribute. They really just want to use everyone elses money. I say to them, sell all your damn possessions and give every dime you have first then come ASK me for mine. I will choose how I help and when. Thank you welfare.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

He's gone.. He does Palates in the carribean..
Its his off season conditioning..

If I was in his position, starting QB of a 4-12 NFL team, and getting paid millions per year, I would be at Redskins Park busting my ass physically and mentally. And getting to know Shanny and picking his braintrust apart.
But I must be old school.. Today's current player views his weekly paycheck as just that.. I only get paid for 16 weeks (not even paid for preseason) so I dont work the other 36 weeks.. Even though the 16 weekly payments are in the millions..
Its just the nature of today's player (and his agent).
==========================================

Campbell's got a life. What he doesn't have is a job. So what's the best way to get one? Fly off to the Virgin Islands or meet the new boss, shake his hand, tell him you're happy to be working for him, ask him how you can do a better job, then you leave town? Probably takes two days.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 4:54 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird myself. Sometimes I step it up to MD 20/20.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 6:48 PM

Whats the word - Thunderbird

Whats the price - twenty twice

Whats the reason - its drinking season

MD2020 - a nice bouquet, a distinctive flavor, a great color.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

My 3 year old loves Burney.
------------------------------------


JASON LA CANFORA
Redskins hire Burney to be D-line coach
Posted: January 19th, 2010

The Redskins continue to round out their staff, hiring Jacob Burney to be their new defensive line coach, according to league sources.

Burney began contacting players this afternoon to let them know he was now coaching that position. Burney’s hiring was expected.

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2010 7:02 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

He's gone.. He does Palates in the carribean..
Its his off season conditioning..

If I was in his position, starting QB of a 4-12 NFL team, and getting paid millions per year, I would be at Redskins Park busting my ass physically and mentally. And getting to know Shanny and picking his braintrust apart.
But I must be old school.. Today's current player views his weekly paycheck as just that.. I only get paid for 16 weeks (not even paid for preseason) so I dont work the other 36 weeks.. Even though the 16 weekly payments are in the millions..
Its just the nature of today's player (and his agent).
==========================================

Campbell's got a life. What he doesn't have is a job. So what's the best way to get one? Fly off to the Virgin Islands or meet the new boss, shake his hand, tell him you're happy to be working for him, ask him how you can do a better job, then you leave town? Probably takes two days.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 4:54 PM


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 7:11 PM |

Hell, after the beating he took this season I'd get as far away as possible for a little while too. You don't take vacations?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The Fox news crew up here keeps up the chatter while the bodies are still warm. Class move fellas.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The Fox news crew up here keeps up the chatter while the bodies are still warm. Class move fellas.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 7:19 PM |

I think you're missing the point but I did leave out one thought which is we should all want to help, but we should not be forced. I am all for throwing in everything we can to help out in a tragedy such as this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

That's a good thought scamp. I agree.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

daggar, you won the haiku war...it's already closed to new comments

Posted by: 4-12 | January 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse


`
Damn! I'd a won that post too if it wasn't for you and that damn daggar in my back.

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

What's next will be we, the US, will pay for a massive rebuild with homes, buildings being built to current codes, all the while our own land has buildings unsafe to inhabit, and bridges deemed unsafe to drive over and we hear we don't have the funding to repair. UFB!

When ALL US citizens have safe homes, plenty of food, and health care, then I'll feel more inclined to send our nearly worthless currency and goods overseas. Charity starts at home. Ever heard that?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The Fox news crew up here keeps up the chatter while the bodies are still warm. Class move fellas.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 7:19 PM |

I think you're missing the point but I did leave out one thought which is we should all want to help, but we should not be forced. I am all for throwing in everything we can to help out in a tragedy such as this.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Most of all, people want their contributions to be used wisely. I think there would be less objection to humanitarian missions in general if the results were more consistent with the 'hoped for' expectations.

Nice that Snyder's plane went to Haiti and I'm not trying to nitpik, but wouldn't it be more useful if larger planes that can carry larger quantities of equipment, supplies and staff went instead?

From what I understand, the airport is pretty crowded and since that is such a critical resource, are small private planes really part of the solution?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

From what I understand, the airport is pretty crowded and since that is such a critical resource, are small private planes really part of the solution?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 7:52 PM |

Actually our troops are their right now building more runways so we can land more planes. There have also been air drops so we're trying. Interesting how the whole world wants to help now when the money could have been used earlier to build an infrastructure that would have made a good bit of this unnecessary. Reaction is a poor substitute for proaction.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

According to Fox, Rhino was attempting to pull open the locked door of a pizza restaurant after hours.

ME WANT PIZZZZAAAA AHHHH!!!!!

Posted by: BrooklynSkins
So basically, Bugel had it all wrong with Rinehart. Instead of cursing at him, he shoulda been telling Rinehart that the guy he was blocking was stealing his pizza.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

1965skinsfan,

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Did you think he was just gonna sit there and do nothing?

One of my ex's is from Haiti and though we had our differences, I hope her mom is okay.


Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

lol @ zce zce

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Won? Ha!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Should be easy to find a QB next year since all these QB's can't handle pressure and will probably be released.

Philip Rivers sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.
Tom Brady sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.
Kurt Warner sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.
Tony Romo sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.
Donovan McNabb sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.
Carson Palmer sucked under heavy pressure in his last game.

Not sure about Mark Sanchez since he hardly ever throws the ball, but since a monkey could replace him in their system he might be available too.

Posted by: geotherm21 | January 18, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Wait a sec..

So you are telling me that if we build a strong/great O-line, opposing defenses can still get pressure?

Since you mentioned it geo, what are we gonna do after we give Jason Campbell a good O-line and an even better D-line or defensive scheme still gets pressure?

Good QBs can make pre-snap reads and adjustments against the blitz and even hot-route/pass to a vacated spot from a blitzer.

Again people, unless you have a frickin good QB(or the best defense in the league) you ain't gonna win no Superbowl!


Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

not the ex, just her Mom?
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One of my ex's is from Haiti and though we had our differences, I hope her mom is okay.

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:11 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

P.S. geo,

Do you really believe Jason could be as good as those guys on their respected teams? Any answer you give will be held against you...

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 8:17 PM


the ex lives here

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

and now the new OLine coach can tell Rhino thats a Campus Cop in front of him.
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So basically, Bugel had it all wrong with Rinehart. Instead of cursing at him, he shoulda been telling Rinehart that the guy he was blocking was stealing his pizza.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 8:01 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

WELL IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING! SHANAHAN HAS BROUGHT HIS LOSERS ATTITUDE WITH HIM. HE HAD FELONS AND MISFITS ON HIS BRONCO'S TEAMS AND RINEHART IS FITTING IN. HELL, MOST OF THE BRONCO'S PLAYERS WERE ARRESTED FOR THIS AND THAT AND HE HAD MORE FELONS ON HIS TEAMS THAN ANY OTHER TEAM. HE WAS FIRED BECAUSE HE DID NOT GO FOR CHARACTER GUYS AND WENT FOR WHOEVER FIT HIS NEEDS. THE SKINS HAVE BECOME THE BRONCOS AND IT DOESN'T BODE WELL FOR THE REDSKIN ETHIC!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"Again people, unless you have a frickin good QB(or the best defense in the league) you ain't gonna win no Superbowl!"

Today's winner.

I mean, without the great defense, do you even get to the Super Bowl?

No.

And there's a long line of mediocre-so-so-and average starting q-backs with rings.

Here's the names of three of them: Rypien, Theisman, and Williams.

Maybe you've heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Harvey was a great player for us while he was with the Redskins. When I started watching the Redskins he was my favorite player.

He is a even better person. It doesnt shock me to see him helping out over there. On and off the field Harvey is #1.

Posted by: redskinssince96 | January 19, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's a good barroom argument. John Clayton has Unitas, Montana and Graham as his top 3 QB's of all time with Favre #5, Brady #7 and Manning #8.

I cannot put Favre above Manning. Favre "jumped on" with a ready made team with the Vikings. He sucked with the Jets. If he would have taken the Jets to the SB then, yes, he's in the top 5, but JC can win a SB with the Vikings.

You cannot have more INT's than TD's in the top 5 of all time.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I think the most important aspect of those 3 Super bowl winning years (and most consistent personnel) was the OLine (Hogs). Defense was also incredibly important.. But, that OLine made stars out of average QBs.

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"Again people, unless you have a frickin good QB(or the best defense in the league) you ain't gonna win no Superbowl!"

Today's winner.

I mean, without the great defense, do you even get to the Super Bowl?

No.

And there's a long line of mediocre-so-so-and average starting q-backs with rings.

Here's the names of three of them: Rypien, Theisman, and Williams.

Maybe you've heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2010 8:23 P

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

That was a different NFL back then Moe!

Don't periculum up the blog now. Move on.

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry MistaMoe,

I believe winning begins with the QB

You believe it starts with O-line, defense, or anything but.

I guess we can always find evidence to support both POVs right?

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The expense would be substantial and unless other countries to pony up, this never happens.

On the upside, I could see a lot of staff being 'donated' -- a year of volunteer work not unlike a Peace Corp stint. Lots of med professionals already donate their time.

A lot of the key materials are cheap. Water, tents, blankets, food bars, etc.

Use retiring vessels, not new ones. The craft, its operation, equipment and maintenance would be costly, but its a fraction of what a new and equipped carrier would cost to build and operate

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse
The whole idea sounds great, zce. But it is totally impractical. Sure, get retired vessels, no cost. WRONG. Retired vessels require huge $ of maintenance. That's why they are retired!

Med professionals donate their time. Sure. They use their vacation time, which is 2 or 3 weeks. They do not sit in a harbor, waiting for a disaster to happen.

And no one else is going to pay half of this project. It's just not feasible. I know you mean well, and you want to do something. You are just going to have to accept that the milarty relief is the best we can do. We can't afford your idea.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

1965skinsfan,

Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Did you think he was just gonna sit there and do nothing?

One of my ex's is from Haiti and though we had our differences, I hope her mom is okay.


Posted by: Vicc


Vicc,

My wife and I have volunteered countless times feeding the poor right here in our County. Drive 10 to 15 minutes inland from Myrtle Beach and you have our own citizens living in squalor. No running water, no electricity etc.. I think it would be as admirable to take care of our own before a tragedy requires it.
To Scampbells point, reaction is a poor substitute for proaction, I agree. I also feel however we can't or better, shouldn't go to anothers land and dictate to them how
to live. Are we going to every Island in the Carribbean next? All poor countries in Africa? How about India? You hopefully get my point.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

People overthink life sometimes...

If someone needs help, you try to help them...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse


"Again people, unless you have a frickin good QB(or the best defense in the league) you ain't gonna win no Superbowl!"

Today's winner.

I mean, without the great defense, do you even get to the Super Bowl?

No.

And there's a long line of mediocre-so-so-and average starting q-backs with rings.

Here's the names of three of them: Rypien, Theisman, and Williams.

Maybe you've heard of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Colt's D isn't that great, they get to play with a cushion often. Vikings is decent, but were lit-up by cardinals. Saints, you have to be kidding right? Weak D, again have the benfit of playing with a large lead often. Jets D seems toughest, but afraid Manning will pick them apart. Hope Not, would love to see Jets in SB.
The league favors open passing Offenses now Moe, not the ground and pound attack of yesteryear. Still have a fondness for it though, guess that's why i like the Jets now.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

You cannot have more INT's than TD's in the top 5 of all time.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

?? Favre doesn't have more INT's then TD's. And to your other point, no way in he!! JC leads the Vikes to the SB. They had to throw the ball alot more this year cause Peterson was getting shutdown and Favre led them from behind with some miraculous plays, something JC is incapable of doing.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 19, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"And there's a long line of mediocre-so-so-and average starting q-backs with rings."


Just one more thing, i promise *wink*

Could you please show me a list of those mediocre QB's who've won it in the past 20, 15, 10, 5 years?

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

To Scampbells point, reaction is a poor substitute for proaction, I agree. I also feel however we can't or better, shouldn't go to anothers land and dictate to them how
to live. Are we going to every Island in the Carribbean next? All poor countries in Africa? How about India? You hopefully get my point.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 8:45 PM |

I'm not saying dictate I was merely saying the money could have been better spent with longer term value earlier with better foresight.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's a good barroom argument. John Clayton has Unitas, Montana and Graham as his top 3 QB's of all time with Favre #5, Brady #7 and Manning #8.

I cannot put Favre above Manning. Favre "jumped on" with a ready made team with the Vikings. He sucked with the Jets. If he would have taken the Jets to the SB then, yes, he's in the top 5, but JC can win a SB with the Vikings.

You cannot have more INT's than TD's in the top 5 of all time.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2010 8:31 PM

I would agree this: Unitas, Montana and Graham as the top 3 QB's of all time with Sammie Baugh as #4 and Manning #5.
Manning is just arm-no running or anything else. These other QB's used to kick as well as throw and run

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Are we going to every Island in the Carribbean next? All poor countries in Africa? How about India? You hopefully get my point.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 8:45 PM |

If your "point" is to convince everyone on RI you're a callous a hole, then trust us, we get it.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

2010 Election Results
Scott Brown (R): 52% (407,727)

Martha Coakley (D): 47% (365,672)

36% of precincts reporting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird myself. Sometimes I step it up to MD 20/20.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 6:48 PM

Thunderbird or Clan Thunderbird? MD 20/20 -- that's the 20 year old, right?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

2010 Election Results
Scott Brown (R): 52% (407,727)

Martha Coakley (D): 47% (365,672)

36% of precincts reporting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 8:59 PM

UFB! Who would have thought it, even a month ago? Have they projected a winner? Or even a whiner?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

From one callous a hole to another Mack. Take care of as many as I have then come see me.
Nice name calling, always happens when one is incapable of civil discourse. Your mother would be so proud.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird or Clan Thunderbird? MD 20/20 -- that's the 20 year old, right?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:00 PM

Gunderburd 30 yr old.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I would not put Favre ahead of Elway...can't forget about "Slingin' Sammy"...

I just can't give Favre his due with the Vikings...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 19, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Are we going to every Island in the Carribbean next? All poor countries in Africa? How about India? You hopefully get my point.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 8:45 PM |
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Our QB is supporting a carribean island, right now.
from his vacation webcam...."ummm lower on the back.... now to the right, ummm thats great.."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

UFB! Who would have thought it, even a month ago? Have they projected a winner? Or even a whiner?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:02 PM

No exit polling so no predictions yet. I'll keep you updated. I'm getting my multi searching skills honed for the combine and draft days. That's when I'm at my best peeps.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Our QB is supporting a carribean island, right now.
from his vacation webcam...."ummm lower on the back.... now to the right, ummm thats great.."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Now that's funny!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Mass guy here..
watching the local news.. no projected winner yet.. The media is in disbelief.
One anchor said "if Brown wins, its a tragedy for the Kennedy family".
Lots are saying Obama's tying this to healthcare reform hurt Coakley more than helped. And Brown stayed away from negative campaigning.. smart. Coakley's negative Ads turned alot of people off...total backfire.
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2010 Election Results
Scott Brown (R): 52% (407,727)

Martha Coakley (D): 47% (365,672)

36% of precincts reporting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 8:59 PM

UFB! Who would have thought it, even a month ago? Have they projected a winner? Or even a whiner?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:02 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Massachusetts Senate Race: Election Results Show Scott Brown Leading by 5% (44% Reporting)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

From one callous a hole to another Mack. Take care of as many as I have then come see me.
Nice name calling, always happens when one is incapable of civil discourse. Your mother would be so proud.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 19, 2010 9:03 PM

You're right. She would be.

Posted by: mack1 | January 19, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Scott Brown 52.7%
Martha M. Coakley 46.3%
Joe Kennedy 1.0%

65% reporting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

66% of votes counted: Brown 53%, Coakley 46%. Wow.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

71% accounted for with the same results.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

AP projects Brown as the winner. Fox says Coakley has conceded.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

75% reporting...can you say filibuster ladies and gentlemen...I think you can!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

The whole idea sounds great, zce. But it is totally impractical. Sure, get retired vessels, no cost. WRONG. Retired vessels require huge $ of maintenance. That's why they are retired!

Med professionals donate their time. Sure. They use their vacation time, which is 2 or 3 weeks. They do not sit in a harbor, waiting for a disaster to happen.

And no one else is going to pay half of this project. It's just not feasible. I know you mean well, and you want to do something. You are just going to have to accept that the milarty relief is the best we can do. We can't afford your idea.

Posted by: frediefritz

The cost argument is real and I know it. Though I don't know what the costs would actually be, even coarsely.

If it was an obvious cost benefit, it'd be an easy call. But its not. I starting thinking about this after Katrina. Like many disasters, there was lots of stuff to do over very large areas. And after many disasters since, its clear how much vessels of this sort could do. To me, the price tag is the question, and its the big question.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

wonder how many voting here in mass..think this "joe kennedy" running as an independent is related to THE Kennedy family (which of course he isnt).
Sad comedy of errors if some did make this mistake and if his percentage is the same percentage she loses by.

Also, its mix snow and sleet up here in Mass.. and alot of the elderly (who vote high percentage democrat) didnt get out.

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Scott Brown 52.7%
Martha M. Coakley 46.3%
Joe Kennedy 1.0%

65% reporting

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:16 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry MistaMoe,

I believe winning begins with the QB

You believe it starts with O-line, defense, or anything but.

I guess we can always find evidence to support both POVs right?

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse
Sorry, Vicc, I have to agree with Moe. Totally! The best teams are the teams with top Oline & Dline.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER BUSH? THE REPUBLICANS GOT US INTO THE MESS WE ARE IN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The wars are won in the trenches folks...lineman are the key.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER BUSH? THE REPUBLICANS GOT US INTO THE MESS WE ARE IN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 9:33 PM |

Ladies and Gentlemen...we have the second coming of Perineum. What a tool!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

THE REPUBLICANS GOT US INTO THE MESS WE ARE IN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 9:33 PM

You're saying that this is a Republican Health Care bill? I don't think that's right, Kurt.

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

From CNN

Republican Scott Brown has won a special election for the U.S. Senate seat formerly held by liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy, CNN projects based on actual results. FULL STORY

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

To me, the price tag is the question, and its the big question.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 19, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse
Don't have stats to back this up, but I suspect you're talking about billions per ship to maintain each ship for 1 year.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The wars are won in the trenches folks...lineman are the key.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 9:34 PM

Speaking of linemen, Jacob Burney has done some really good work with D-limen particularly DE. Here's a bio on him.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.php?id=357&contentID=625

Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Martha Choked-ly?? She was leading by 30 points 2 months ago.
Her negative Ads turn all of us off. No substance just angry ruminations like some crazy relative....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 19, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Teddy's seat has been won by Brown Rep. Now where does the health care bill go? In some ways, I think that is a good thing. Dems were making a mockery of selling votes, so I think maybe we can get an improvement to this bill.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

THE REPUBLICANS GOT US INTO THE MESS WE ARE IN!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | January 19, 2010 9:33 PM

Actually it was the R's and the D's. The only ones that lay blameless are those of you who were smart enough to abandon the 2 party system.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 19, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry MistaMoe,

I believe winning begins with the QB

You believe it starts with O-line, defense, or anything but.

I guess we can always find evidence to support both POVs right?

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 8:44 PM
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Too bad Lombardi, Casserly, Mariucci, Billick and bunch of other EXPERIENCED NFL professionals don't agree with you.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 19, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

F Dems, Pubes and the like. Oh, and Dallas.

BTW, we're apparently getting new video screens, 30'X100', at FedEx stadium.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 19, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Can politicians from both parties now clean up this bill, and come out of this election with a solid bill. It would require the middle ground of both parties. That would be a good thing. Perhaps get rid of the extreme left of the Dems, and get some moderates from the right(not 1 or 2, but 10 or so), and that might produce a good health care bill.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Can politicians from both parties now clean up this bill, and come out of this election with a solid bill. It would require the middle ground of both parties. That would be a good thing. Perhaps get rid of the extreme left of the Dems, and get some moderates from the right(not 1 or 2, but 10 or so), and that might produce a good health care bill.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 10:10 PM |

You mean no more backroom, vote buying deals that completely exclude Conservatives? Or the kind that Obama promised we'd see on C-SPAN?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Coaching carousel
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
01/19/10 4:48 PM EST


Five thoughts on the coaches retained or let go by the Redskins:

1. Kirk Olivadotti was one of the most respected coaches on the staff the past few seasons. There's a reason he's survived as long as he has in Washington (since 2000). One coach said that he could work with any group and do a good job. So why isn't he up for any coordinator jobs? Well, he was on the list in New York. I also wonder if he's not more comfortable under the radar; his dad was a coordinator who was ripped in different cities. That had to have made an impact on him. A couple years ago Olivadotti did not like talking to the press and when he did his answers weren't all that revealing. However, the past two years -- and especially this year -- he was much different. Very insightful, especially when it came to rookie Brian Orakpo and his transformation to linebacker. Olivadotti was clear and simplistic about what he needed to do; good traits for a teacher/coach to have.

2. Danny Smith was the most sought after special teams coach, not the Eagles' Bobby April. The assumption was that April was the best special teams coach. However, he was not going to be hired in the places he wanted until those teams heard from Danny Smith, according to an NFL source. And April did not get a job until it became clear that Smith would be staying in Washington. The Redskins were wise to keep him around; unlike many of the other coaches, Smith still had a year left on his contract. There had to be temptation for him to leave as the Redskins might not be ready to contend for a title for a couple seasons. But Smith is good and very well-respected. He also has worked for coaches here who gave him the time during practice to be successful. He had a say on a decent number of players making the roster.


Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

3. Steve Jackson has to be happy to be working with Mike Shanahan if for no other reason than it might get LaRon Landry to attend the OTAs. There was definite frustration with Landry last offseason when he missed those sessions. Did it have an impact on his season? Hard to say it didn't considering some of his breakdowns were mental more than physical. The kid is in terrific shape, but it'll be more important to attend this offseason considering it's a new staff and a new scheme. The secondary doesn't change if it's a 3-4 or a 4-3, but they do need to know what's going on in front of them. And don't blame Jackson for any lack of development by Landry. If you do, then credit him for helping low-round picks such as Reed Doughty and Chris Horton. Have to imagine that Jackson told Landry a number of times where to have his eyes on certain plays.

4. Jerry Gray was not a bad coach at all. But you have to believe he hurt himself by the way he handled the whole interview situation late in the year. One of his former colleagues definitely thinks he did. Gray did land a secondary coaching job in Seattle, but that's a lateral move. Considering the attention he received this year, from the Memphis job hunt to being the defensive spokesperson for a good defense, he should have been in the hunt for a coordinator's job. He wasn't. Gray was well-liked by the players and I always enjoyed talking to him, though it became very frustrating in the final month.

5. Can't say it's a surprise that no one from the offensive staff was retained. It's hard to bring back guys from a unit that struggled -- for whatever reason -- in the past two years. But Scott Wachenheim was one coach I thought had a chance. He did a good job getting Fred Davis ready and even some of the offensive linemen were hoping he'd be their new position coach. But when it comes to offense Shanahan will be very particular with who he hires.


Posted by: TWISI | January 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Actually it was the R's and the D's. The only ones that lay blameless are those of you who were smart enough to abandon the 2 party system.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 19, 2010 9:50 PM

`

luv it. brilliant. What did George Washington say about the two-party system?

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp

"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State..."

I have to revise: Voting in a two party system is 4 suckers.

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I gotcha fellow RI hamsters, beside the fact that Brady won his first Superbowl w/o a stellar line and Big Ben has done it twice. Kurt Warner won a Superbowl with the 3-13 Rams the year b4. Oh and their O-line wasn't great. Dilfer and Brad Johnson didn't have great O-lines, but ferocious defenses. I'm just trying to offer my POV.


noonefromtampa, isn't Casserly that same guy that said the main problem w/Redskins is Campbell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I like aircraft carriers too. Using FA-18s with 1000 lb JDAMs would make short work of the buildings left standing.

When then could make a $900 billion appropriation, hire all the unemployed construction workers in FL, send them to Haiti and rebuild it.

Better country for them, economic help for us. Win Win

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 19, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"Don't periculum up the blog now. Move on."


Don't insult periculum, he and talent_evalautor (r.i.p.) are my mentors.

Before I read their posts, I knew nothing, and after I did, I knew even less.

And do I know that today's NFL is a passing league, btw.

However, as a fan of a team with a middlin' quarterback and decent defense, I wonder what would happen if a sound play caller head coach improved the offensive line, and made a post Thanksgiving Day run for the playoffs in the Fall of '11?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Yea, what did happen to my buddy T_E?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"You mean no more backroom, vote buying deals that completely exclude Conservatives?"


How do the Conservatives whine about not being about of a process they openly say they are not going to support?

The republicans support policies that the electorate voted down last Fall.

And that's what happens when the other guy wins and election: he gets a 4-year shot to put his ideas in effect.

Plus,there is ample evidence of Obama reaching out to Republican leaders who've basically said, "No thanks."

Question:
Which political group is on record for proclaiming its aim is to make sure the president 'fails'?

Answer:
The same one that says it hasn't had its voice heard even though its media organ, the FOX News Channel regurgitates its talking points daily.

In fact, most folks in the Republican Party function like they forgot a Republican President and Congress did the same things eight years ago that they blame the Obamagang does now: operate like the party in power.

8 years later, we are in a mess.

Maybe that's why the republicans are complaining: they know political arrogance when they see it.

But what they don't understand that you can be guilty of the same fault you find in someone else.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 19, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Yea, what did happen to my buddy T_E?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 10:32 PM

Word around here is he had a sex change. She now calls herself League-Source.

Posted by: Skins930 | January 19, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Can politicians from both parties now clean up this bill, and come out of this election with a solid bill. It would require the middle ground of both parties. That would be a good thing. Perhaps get rid of the extreme left of the Dems, and get some moderates from the right(not 1 or 2, but 10 or so), and that might produce a good health care bill.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 19, 2010 10:10 PM
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Why should the Reps abandon the strategy of "NO" as today's election shows, it is working for them.
It is not the Reps or the Dems that really f ed this country, "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our STARS (Reps or Dems), But in ourselves," there are good candidates that are neither reps or dems, they are ordinary, very educated citizens who do not have the money to go to fix news for ads, and we do not want to spend time knowing them.

Posted by: Skins2 | January 19, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Well Mista Moe, that's one way to look at it. So if you think it's okay to do somethin g just because someone else did it then ok...but somehow I don't think you do so that is just a cop out or justification for illegal activities. I don't remember the Republicans ever having the supermajority but maybe they did. Regardless, there are many Americans from both parties that have been very verbal in their disdain for this frankenstein health bill and the brazen, illegal vote buying that has been used to get it to this point.

I don't hope that the president fails personally. After all, if the president fails, this country fails. But I do think he isn't being very smart and doesn't really seem to give a crap about anything other than getting as many projects going at once as he possibly can while so far ignoring unemployement.

Believe me, I understand that politicians of all colors are hypocrites but I don't believe that it makes it any more right just because it happens to be my party in power. I am more of a liberitarian than anything (at least that's what all those political quizes tell me) but I vote Republican because I believe they support personal responsibility over the government telling what I should be doing and making my decisions for me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone up to speed on the coaches. I am not even sure how many they will have but this is what I have tracked although some of these have not been confirmed:

OC - K Shanahan
OL - Vacant
RB - Turner
WR - Guy from Tampa (I forgot his name)?
QB - Vacant
TE - Vacant

DC - Haslet
DL - Burney
LB - Spanos/Olivadotti
Secondary - Slowik?
Safties - Jackson
ST - Smith

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

er uh...meant to say ramming through policies and illegal activities

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird or Clan Thunderbird? MD 20/20 -- that's the 20 year old, right?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:00 PM

I sorta like the 20 min old myself.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Thunderbird or Clan Thunderbird? MD 20/20 -- that's the 20 year old, right?

Posted by: League-Source | January 19, 2010 9:00 PM

I sorta like the 20 min old myself.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 19, 2010 11:24 PM |

If it lasted 20 minutes tou weren't doing it any justice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 19, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Good name for o-lineman

Matt McCracken, Richmond

think of all the fun things to say if you're an announcer

the McCrack back block

Wow, he took a shellackin from McCraken on that play
or
What a McWhackin from McCracken

thing is too much fun, need to go sleep now

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 20, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

whoa.. so thats why Collins lights it up when he comes in.. Why the he-ll did we keep playing Campbell? (so said Kyle Shanahan in the film room this week).

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noonefromtampa, isn't Casserly that same guy that said the main problem w/Redskins is Campbell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 10:20 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa, isn't Casserly that same guy that said the main problem w/Redskins is Campbell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 10:20 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 12:19 AM

at last, thats what i been saying for 2 years. and Shanny offense is somewhat of a WCO also. that means Soups out.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 20, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Much love for Harvey and the Skins for stepping up and helping out the disaster victims. One of the few times we can take a measure of REAL pride in being Skins fans.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

One of the few times we can take a measure of REAL pride in being Skins fans.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 5:53 AM

You should probably have written "I" not "we". Unlike you, I am always proud to be a 'Skins fan.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

LS, love my Skins but you'll excuse me if 4-12 doesn't give me a boner or win me any debates.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone up to speed on the coaches. I am not even sure how many they will have but this is what I have tracked although some of these have not been confirmed:

OC - K Shanahan
OL - Vacant
RB - Turner
WR - Guy from Tampa (I forgot his name)?
QB - Vacant
TE - Vacant

DC - Haslet
DL - Burney
LB - Spanos/Olivadotti
Secondary - Slowik?
Safties - Jackson
ST - Smith

Posted by: lifelongfan | January 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

************

AS far as O-line, either Mike Solari (who was in Seattle until they got Alex Gibbs) or even possibly Tom Cable if he is in fact fired by the Raiders.

WR coach - the guy's name is Richard Mann. That's the only name I heard there but I never saw official word that he'd signed his contract. Of course, there still hasn't been official word that Kyle Shanahan is the O-coordinator either.

Does anyone else take it as a good sign that news doesn't seem to leak out of Redskins Park as frequently as it did with Cerrato in the front office? Hmm, I wonder if keeping things secret might actually provide some sort of competitive advantage, whether it be in the pursuit of coaches, free agents, draft prospects, or even on the field. What a concept!

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Matt LaFleur is coming over from Houston too... as QB coach maybe? I'm not sure in what capacity.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else take it as a good sign that news doesn't seem to leak out of Redskins Park as frequently as it did with Cerrato in the front office? Hmm, I wonder if keeping things secret might actually provide some sort of competitive advantage, whether it be in the pursuit of coaches, free agents, draft prospects, or even on the field. What a concept!

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 7:15 AM |

It's nice but it's going to make it harder to get good stories for us to talk about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

AS far as O-line, either Mike Solari (who was in Seattle until they got Alex Gibbs) or even possibly Tom Cable if he is in fact fired by the Raiders.

WR coach - the guy's name is Richard Mann. That's the only name I heard there but I never saw official word that he'd signed his contract. Of course, there still hasn't been official word that Kyle Shanahan is the O-coordinator either. Also, I'm happy that the D-Line position went to Burney instead of Krumrie. It shows me that Mike Shanahan is firmly in control of the hiring process.

Does anyone else take it as a good sign that news doesn't seem to leak out of Redskins Park as frequently as it did with Cerrato in the front office? Hmm, I wonder if keeping things secret might actually provide some sort of competitive advantage, whether it be in the pursuit of coaches, free agents, draft prospects, or even on the field. What a concept!

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 7:15 AM |

I'm not big on the idea of Cable coming in. Dude has some demons he has to work out. I'm still hoping that the Skins are waiting until after the Saints play to talk to Aaron Kromer for the O-Line position. The Skins will have a one week period starting next week to interview candidates from the four remaing teams.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about the coaching staff, it's the roster that gives me cold sweats. If we can upgrade even two spots on the O-line, I'd be happy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I'm still hoping that the Skins are waiting until after the Saints play to talk to Aaron Kromer for the O-Line position. The Skins will have a one week period starting next week to interview candidates from the four remaing teams.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

************

So what you're saying is that no news is potentially good news?

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"I don't remember the Republicans ever having the supermajority but maybe they did."


Look it up, pal.

10 Years ago--Jan., 18th, 2000--ain't so long ago.

I'm a registered republican who lives with his eyes open to both sides of the aisle, so I remember.

When George Bush took over after Clinton-Gore, the GOP had enough control of the government to do whatever it wanted.

The country kinda sorta had a budget surplus and things were fine.

The Bushies massively cut taxes and bragged about it.

They tried to re-do Social Security, and after the terrorists from Afghanistan blew up the Twin Towers, the Bushgang invaded Iraq while tossing out a slew of lies about why they were attacking the wrong country.

The most damaging thing they did?: they decided the 'free-hand' (i.e., little oversight of the markets) was better than a nosy FED and SEC asking Wall Streeters serious questions about the flow of the Nation's money into their already well-lined pockets.

Yes, I remember: both parties had a hand in creating the mess we're in.

But only one--the GOP--seems to have continual amnesia about it's role in it.

A year ago today, Pres. Obama was inaugurated and folks with bad memories thought a new way was coming.

'Cept, his 'new way' was the old Democratic liberal way with slicker marketing.

At least Obama remembers his team's playbook.

And honest Americans shouldn't forget theirs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

So what you're saying is that no news is potentially good news?

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 8:07 AM

I think so. BTW mmeixler wasn't Solari the TE coach in San Fran while he and Shanahan were on staff? That might be Shanahan's move there. Anyways, it should all come to a head in a week or so.

Posted by: TWISI | January 20, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"...OL - Vacant..."


Odd: the position where there's the most pressing need for improvement still lacks a coach.

R Dennison and A Gibbs, guys who'd be Shanny's usual first choices, are already employed, meaning Mighty Mike is going to have to go out of his circle of comfort for a line coach.

B Callahan of the jets is employed up until next Sunday nite--maybe.

Wouldn't it be funny if Danny drops serious money in his lap to take him away from Sexy Rexy Ryan and the j-e-t-s?

No: it would be down right serious business.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

But only one--the GOP--seems to have continual amnesia about it's role in it.

Great one-liner. And yes, I once was a republican. The movie NIXON/FROST gave me chills remembering................and not because of FROST's name. The framed NIXON/AGNEW inauguration invite I have framed and in my office is a constant reminder to me of the stupidity of being blind.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 20, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

TWISI,

Right from the seahawks website:

"Solari spent five seasons (1992-96) as the tight ends/assistant offensive line coach for the San Francisco 49ers before joining the Chiefs. He was largely responsible for the development of tight end Brent Jones, who made four Pro Bowl appearances, and instrumental in the team’s successful Super Bowl XXIX season."

... but since his time in SanFran with Shan he's served as an O-line coach and as an offensive coordinator so I wonder if he would consider going back to TEs as a bit of a demotion or moving backwards. But, Wachenheim wasn't retained, so... I just get so obsessive with this stuff. I want to know who all the coaches are so I can read all I can about them and then start daydreaming about the draft and next year.

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

"..at last, thats what i been saying for 2 years. and Shanny offense is somewhat of a WCO also. that means Soups out."


Soup ran a WCO his senior year at Auburn and went 13-0.

Why was he successful in it?: the Tigers' offense that year featured B Grubbs, M McNeil (two future NFL offensive linemen), C Williams, D Aromashodu, and Ronnie Brown.

That's five NFL players minus Campbell.

Maybe what you need to do is fix the line in front of Soup and the backs carrying the ball before deciding he's not the right fit.

After all, no great NFL quarterback can succeed if there is no blocking, his receivers developing, and his backs injured or guys who've lost a step.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't really wish to get back into this Moe but you have all valid points. My point is only this, just because someone else has done it, doesn't mean that it's right to do it again. Justification is not a valid reason for action (or inaction).

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Good call on Callahan, Moe. That dude is getting a lot of love in league circles and if the Skins can pull that guy here to coach up the O-line, that would be a HUGE coup.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Not sure how much stock you can put into Casserly when he said there were no play calling issues to start his argument, yes campbell checks down a lot. I would be more interested in seeing a post season breakdown of what happened, not one that looks like they did it in week 5.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else take it as a good sign that news doesn't seem to leak out of Redskins Park as frequently as it did with Cerrato in the front office?

Posted by: mmeixler | January 20, 2010 7:15 AM |

It's nice but it's going to make it harder to get good stories for us to talk about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2010 7:28 AM

Flounder,

We will never be short of good stories. BeantownGreg gets frequent brainwaves from Florio at PFT to keep the convo going.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

3. Steve Jackson has to be happy to be working with Mike Shanahan if for no other reason than it might get LaRon Landry to attend the OTAs. There was definite frustration with Landry last offseason when he missed those sessions. Did it have an impact on his season? Hard to say it didn't considering some of his breakdowns were mental more than physical. The kid is in terrific shape, but it'll be more important to attend this offseason considering it's a new staff and a new scheme. The secondary doesn't change if it's a 3-4 or a 4-3, but they do need to know what's going on in front of them. And don't blame Jackson for any lack of development by Landry. If you do, then credit him for helping low-round picks such as Reed Doughty and Chris Horton. Have to imagine that Jackson told Landry a number of times where to have his eyes on certain plays.

++++++++++++


Anyone still want to argue with me that Landry has a stubborn uncoachable attitude??

TRADE

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't feel right discussing Cerratto/Shanahan/Skins on a post such as this...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Man, Haiti got hit again. This time it was a 6.1

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"...yes campbell checks down a lot."


He checks down a lot as the 'checkdown' is a WCO principle.

Funny thing is, someone announcing the chargers game stated the P Rivers wasn't very accurate deep given the number of throws he makes, but that no one notices it because his receivers draw a lot of pass interference penalties.

Between the checkdown and the misfired deep ball, I say in some situations, Campbell should be encouraged to throw the ball deep and think of any interceptions as a long punt return.

The best thing that could happen is a penalty or great catch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

George W. Bush has been very helpful in this disaster. He's mobilizing his supporters to pray. He's also going to call up Brownie, who is the expert.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

"It's nice but it's going to make it harder to get good stories for us to talk about."


This thing flows better when we make up our own trash talk to recycle.

RI Nation is just a blue plastic bin out on a DC curb to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Dear Danny Snyder,

Congratulations on the newest purchase of these two 100 foot HDTV's, I know how exciting it can be when a man buys a new TV, I myself had a similar, but smaller feeling about a year and a half ago.

I think this is a good first step towards rebuilding your franchises image and I would like to make some more suggestions for your changes to the stadium. These are changes I have heard over the years recommended by other fans, as I refuse to attend a Redskins game so long as they don't play in the district.

Anyway here were other thoughts I have heard.

Remove the yellow seats and replace them with red seating. This is actually more of an issue for the home audience. Because you have yellow seating on the yuppie level of the stadium, most of the time it looks empty. I understand this is due to your giving the wealthy both a luxury club like atmosphere on the inside of the stadium and a seat. I would make 2 recommendations, separately charge for each item, (let people who want to hobnob sit in the luxury box) and change the seat colors to match what the people are wearing. This would also put more people in the stadium which means more money for you.

Free transit from the metro to the stadium. I don't have much to add, its bad enough they built the thing in the middle of nowhere, but then to make people pay extra for using metro to get in. Tisk tisk tisk.

Finally after you spend these large sums of money the single best thing you can do to improve the redskins stadium and game day experience would be, to build a new stadium back at the RFK site in DC.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't feel right discussing Cerratto/Shanahan/Skins on a post such as this...

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 20, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse


Blame JReid.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of PFT, for as much grief as Greg gives Florio, he certainly gave us Skins fans a comedic gem, poking fun at that crybaby Brooking:

Before the game, Brooking wasn't worried about sportsmanship
Posted by Mike Florio on January 20, 2010 8:42 AM ET
Though the postgame complaints from Cowboys linebacker Keith Brooking are fading, a reader has pointed out to us a great video at NFL.com featuring sound from last weekend's playoff games.

As Dallas prepared for its division-round date with the Vikings, Brooking displayed his mastery of sportsmanship with, yes, a poem.

We gonna punch 'em in the mouth!
We gonna bloody their nose!
We're goin' down to the ground!
We gonna step on their throat!
We're gonna step on their throat!

Three hours later, Brooking was ready to sing a different tune.

They punched us in the mouth!
They bloodied our nose!
We went down to the ground!
And they stepped on our throat!

And they wouldn't stop!
We asked them nicely!
We even said "please"!
And it left a mark!
It's classless and B.S.!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know how to hide this youtube clip until we get a 2nd Round RFA pick compensation for JC?
After watching this.. you have to believe Colt would of moved the team better ala Collins in the Gints game when Campbell was briefly injured.
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noonefromtampa, isn't Casserly that same guy that said the main problem w/Redskins is Campbell?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

Posted by: Vicc | January 19, 2010 10:20 PM

at last, thats what i been saying for 2 years. and Shanny offense is somewhat of a WCO also. that means Soups out.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 20, 2010 12:30 AM |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Alex. I don't get why the Skins can't share the new stadium with the Nats, they'd be far from the first or last team to share a stadium.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Alex. I don't get why the Skins can't share the new stadium with the Nats, they'd be far from the first or last team to share a stadium.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse


Because sharing the stadium would require the Lerners, Dan Snyder and the DC govt to all agree/cooperate...

...which is about as likely as Cerratto and Zorn reuniting as a GM/HC combo in the NFL...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone know how to hide this youtube clip until we get a 2nd Round RFA pick compensation for JC?"

I don't think you'd get a 2nd rounder for him.

A low third rounder or 4th is what you'd get.

But then, you'd have to draft a quarterback to replace the one you traded away.

And you have so many other needs.

This brings back: the MADDEN GM.

The Madden GM says trade the 1st rounder from '11 for a second rounder along with Campbell for a 3rd or 4th.

That creates an '10 draft that looks like this:

round 1 (4th pick)

round 2 (2 picks)

round 3 (possible late round pick)

round 4 (1 pick plus possible pick)

round 5 (pick)

round 6 (no pick--damn you J Taylor!!!)

round 7 (pick)

The point is, the Madden GM creates 5 picks in the first 4 rounds.

That's 5 ways to immediately address a lot of serious needs.

Any team that's coming off a 4-12 season with a new coach and FO structure needs to have a draft where it puts its 5 new guys in place.

And with that, I'll put the Madden GM back in the closet.

Again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone know how to hide this youtube clip until we get a 2nd Round RFA pick compensation for JC?"

I don't think you'd get a 2nd rounder for him.

A low third rounder or 4th is what you'd get.

But then, you'd have to draft a quarterback to replace the one you traded away.

And you have so many other needs.

This brings back: the MADDEN GM.

The Madden GM says trade the 1st rounder from '11 for a second rounder along with Campbell for a 3rd or 4th.

That creates an '10 draft that looks like this:

round 1 (4th pick)

round 2 (2 picks)

round 3 (possible late round pick)

round 4 (1 pick plus possible pick)

round 5 (pick)

round 6 (no pick--damn you J Taylor!!!)

round 7 (pick)

The point is, the Madden GM creates 5 picks in the first 4 rounds.

That's 5 ways to immediately address a lot of serious needs.

Any team that's coming off a 4-12 season with a new coach and FO structure needs to have a draft where it puts its 5 new guys in place.

And with that, I'll put the Madden GM back in the closet.

Again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"At least Obama remembers his team's playbook.

And honest Americans shouldn't forget theirs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse "

Neither party is doing what's best for the country. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees what has been going on. Bush screwed up a lot of things as you mentioned. Now the Dems have become bogged down in war and health care instead of doing more small things that can actually be felt. They have pissed away America's trust that things will get done.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

don't get why the Skins can't share the new stadium with the Nats, they'd be far from the first or last team to share a stadium.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 9:28 AM

Same reason that the Ravens and Orioles don't share a stadium -- bad sight angles when you compromise to accomodate two sports instead of having separate, dedicated stadiums.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Because sharing the stadium would require the Lerners, Dan Snyder and the DC govt to all agree/cooperate...

...which is about as likely as Cerratto and Zorn reuniting as a GM/HC combo in the NFL...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Three reasons:

1. The stadium only seats 45,000, less than half what FedEx can hold. If the Skins were to move there they would then have the smallest stadium in the NFL. In fact in order to become comparable to most teams they would need to find a place to add 20,000 extra seats, you could maybe fit 5,000-10,000 in a super bleacher setup back in the left field plaza. But I have no idea where the rest of them could be added.

2. The layout is awful nice for baseball but not good in any way what so ever for a football game. I have worked on trying to figure out a good layout for a football field inside that baseball diamond, but its a much smaller field than RFK and with out a retractable wall (which they don't have) I don't think it would be possible to fit a football field on there. That is unless you are willing to have both teams on the same sideline like I understand the Jets used to do when they played at Shay.

3. The biggest problem I see in the idea is that the stadium is also poorly suited to tailgating. Now the reason I can see this is because I live right here by the stadium. I go to a lot of nats games and every time I see guys tailgate before the baseball games in their little caged in parking lots 3 blocks from the stadium that can only hold 20 cars its just depressing.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Now the Dems have become bogged down in war and health care instead of doing more small things that can actually be felt. They have pissed away America's trust that things will get done.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Americans have themselves to blame for trusting that things would get done under Obama.

He was poorly qualified to be President of the United States.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Neither party is doing what's best for the country. I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees what has been going on. Bush screwed up a lot of things as you mentioned. Now the Dems have become bogged down in war and health care instead of doing more small things that can actually be felt. They have pissed away America's trust that things will get done.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Its ironic because we could fix things real quick if we wanted to.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Actually it was the R's and the D's. The only ones that lay blameless are those of you who were smart enough to abandon the 2 party system.

Posted by: alex35332

Alex,

This has to be the most articulate and most accurate posting ever on this blog.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Now the Dems have become bogged down in war and health care instead of doing more small things that can actually be felt. They have pissed away America's trust that things will get done."

Last post on this.

I think the mistake is a rich guy versus poor guy issue.

When poor folks lose jobs and homes, the rich guys think, "Save the banks!!"

The poor guy thinks, "F!ck the banks. Get me a job, and I can keep my house."

Thing is, the rich guys run the guys who things and they want their friends helped first.

And both parties are guilty of this thinking.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

George W. Bush has been very helpful in this disaster. He's mobilizing his supporters to pray. He's also going to call up Brownie, who is the expert.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:21 AM

Wow, what an uninformed moron you are. If you're not going to at least look then you should shut your phuking trap. Oh yea, and prayer is such a terrible thing too. Have you considered suicide? Do us all a favor because you are the exact type that America doesn't need:

http://clintonbushhaitifund.org/

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/americas/Bush-Re-Enters-Spotlight-With-Haiti-Appeal-82112877.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I think the mistake is a rich guy versus poor guy issue.

When poor folks lose jobs and homes, the rich guys think, "Save the banks!!"

The poor guy thinks, "F!ck the banks. Get me a job, and I can keep my house."

Thing is, the rich guys run the guys who things and they want their friends helped first.

And both parties are guilty of this thinking.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:53 AM

We agree on this.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Americans have themselves to blame for trusting that things would get done under Obama.

He was poorly qualified to be President of the United States.
Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Its a common problem there is no one qualified to be president of the united states with all the power that has been trusted to the office since we turned empire.

Hell the worst president in US history was also the most qualified we have ever had, James Buchanan.

There is no such thing as a qualification for ruler of the world. I mean sure you can have experience in a wide range of areas, but the fact remains, we expect one man to be an expert in so many areas, but any experience in one would withdraw from another.

Do you really expect to fine a man who went from private to general, became an ambassador and was an expert in all areas of domestic policy to ever show up, because they don't exist anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Americans have themselves to blame for trusting that things would get done under Obama.

He was poorly qualified to be President of the United States.
Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Its a common problem there is no one qualified to be president of the united states with all the power that has been trusted to the office since we turned empire.

Hell the worst president in US history was also the most qualified we have ever had, James Buchanan.

There is no such thing as a qualification for ruler of the world. I mean sure you can have experience in a wide range of areas, but the fact remains, we expect one man to be an expert in so many areas, but any experience in one would withdraw from another.

Do you really expect to fine a man who went from private to general, became an ambassador and was an expert in all areas of domestic policy to ever show up, because they don't exist anymore.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"Americans have themselves to blame for trusting that things would get done under Obama."


You're right.

That war hero arizona senator helped himself by claiming the economy was fine, displaying a lack of understanding about the failing housing market, having a record for supporting the economic policies behind much of the collapse, and drafting a clueless alaska governor as v.p. was the better choice.

I'm so glad I voted for him.

Not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

George W. Bush has been very helpful in this disaster. He's mobilizing his supporters to pray. He's also going to call up Brownie, who is the expert.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 9:21 AM

Sorry folks but I must turn my attention to this loser here. He uses 1 disaster to take a potshot at a guy that is no longer in power and is doing plenty to help. And to do it he brings up another disaster. To top it off he takes a shot at religious principles while he's at it. What a miserable degenerate he must be. There has never been a better argument for natural selection. Should have been killed at birth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff on the stadium, guess I was just wondering aloud about it. I doubt the district will put up another stadium so soon after building the Nat's digs so I guess we're quite a while from seeing that happen. Just wish they'd provide Metro access to FedEx, though.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I think the mistake is a rich guy versus poor guy issue.

When poor folks lose jobs and homes, the rich guys think, "Save the banks!!"

The poor guy thinks, "F!ck the banks. Get me a job, and I can keep my house."

Thing is, the rich guys run the guys who things and they want their friends helped first.

And both parties are guilty of this thinking.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:53 AM

What is even more amazing is that you talk to Ralph Nader and Ron Paul, you talk to the head of the Socialists the Communists the libertarians the greens and the Constitution party, they all will say this exact same thing.

The next wave is the same as the last wave, it all comes back to populism vs elitism, but too many let themselves be tricked into thinking that the other populist groups are their enemy. I have seen what happens when conservative populists and liberal populists start working together, they are successful and immediately crushed by the establishment.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"We agree on this."


I think we agree because what the country needs is a serious 3rd party alternative.

And not some nut-job, either.

Some person who can get a strong independent party with representatives on all levels.

Until there is a strong, forceful alternative to the two established parties, America will continue to be the snake that eats its own tail.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Its a common problem there is no one qualified to be president of the united states with all the power that has been trusted to the office since we turned empire.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


Some are more qualified than others.

There are plenty of avenues and opportunities to gain experience that is relevant to being a political executive.

Certainly, that relevant experience is no guarantee that the person will be an effective President, but it's always far more reasnoable to trust that they would.

My comment is not a partisan shot.

I think Bill Clinton was a very capable and effective President, in large part because of the experience he had as a governor.

Obama is an intelligent man and a great speaker, but he was a political show-pony who out-campaigned McCain and got lucky that the economy imploded a couple weeks out of the election; which would predictably mean bad things for Republicans who were the incumbents in power.

But as the saying goes: One can conquer, but can he rule?


Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

I have a hard time believing Ron Paul is the same as Barack Obama, and John McCain.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

The Contract with FedEx runs out in I think 20 years, and Danny boy said he would not leave the stadium or else it would violate the 250 million dollar contract. After that I expect the team to start looking into a new stadium, though I have no idea of the deterioration of FedEx, are they up-keeping it well or is it showing signs of age (not little things like new carpets, but bigger things.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Pretty depressing posts.

RedDMV wears pink lace panties.

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe.. With the looming 2011 work stoppage.. It may be difficult to trade 2011 draft picks.
Possibly also why 53 underclassmen are declaring for the 2010 Draft. As such, there are going to be some great "finds" in the mid rounds. Wish Skins had more mid picks.
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"Anyone know how to hide this youtube clip until we get a 2nd Round RFA pick compensation for JC?"

I don't think you'd get a 2nd rounder for him.

A low third rounder or 4th is what you'd get.

But then, you'd have to draft a quarterback to replace the one you traded away.

And you have so many other needs.

This brings back: the MADDEN GM.

The Madden GM says trade the 1st rounder from '11 for a second rounder along with Campbell for a 3rd or 4th.

That creates an '10 draft that looks like this:

round 1 (4th pick)

round 2 (2 picks)

round 3 (possible late round pick)

round 4 (1 pick plus possible pick)

round 5 (pick)

round 6 (no pick--damn you J Taylor!!!)

round 7 (pick)

The point is, the Madden GM creates 5 picks in the first 4 rounds.

That's 5 ways to immediately address a lot of serious needs.

Any team that's coming off a 4-12 season with a new coach and FO structure needs to have a draft where it puts its 5 new guys in place.

And with that, I'll put the Madden GM back in the closet.

Again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Because sharing the stadium would require the Lerners, Dan Snyder and the DC govt to all agree/cooperate...

...which is about as likely as Cerratto and Zorn reuniting as a GM/HC combo in the NFL...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

IMO, dirty players can play NFL football, but NFL football should never be played on dirt.

That's some low-rent BS.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 20, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

You're right.

That war hero arizona senator helped himself by claiming the economy was fine, displaying a lack of understanding about the failing housing market, having a record for supporting the economic policies behind much of the collapse, and drafting a clueless alaska governor as v.p. was the better choice.

I'm so glad I voted for him.

Not.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


All the things you mention are simply campaign-related gaffes that have little to do with the man's qualifications to be a President.

The one exception would be supporting a trend of economic policies.

On that topic, everyone has blood on their hands Repubs and Dems alike.

Bush, as a Repub president for the 8 years preceding the collapse, would predictably get served up as primary reason for the collapse, just like Obama will predictably get served up as the reason for ongoing economic issues if they don't turn around.

Converse with any knowledgable economist and they'll tell you that economic trends and a collapse like this is far far more complex than the President's policies.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about any of this really when we only have until 12/21/2012? lol

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 20, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Look I am a big fan of history all I am saying is history shows you have a better chance at guessing the success of a NFL first round QB becoming a superstar than you do of being assured of a executives success in politics, not just in our system but in almost every political system since Rome.

The best way to elect a leader is to assume that they will be a failure during their presidency and to assume they are completely un-prepared, then you break down their ability to do on the job training and wonder if they can fix themselves to suit the needs of their nation.

Also I never said Ron Paul was the same as McCain or Obama, I said the opposit.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"We agree on this."


I think we agree because what the country needs is a serious 3rd party alternative.

And not some nut-job, either.

Some person who can get a strong independent party with representatives on all levels.

Until there is a strong, forceful alternative to the two established parties, America will continue to be the snake that eats its own tail.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:05 AM |

Unfortunately Perot may have done irreperable damage to any third party chances.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I think we agree because what the country needs is a serious 3rd party alternative.

And not some nut-job, either.

Some person who can get a strong independent party with representatives on all levels.

Until there is a strong, forceful alternative to the two established parties, America will continue to be the snake that eats its own tail.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


Sorry, but we will run in to the same problems with a third party candidate.

Anyone who gets to the point where they can even be considered for national office is already corrupt beyond help.

Getting to that point requires a lot of help, and when you get that kind of help, you owe a lot of favors to a lot of people.

The entire system of campaign finance needs to be reworked to eliminate that type corruption. Unfortunately, the ones who need to redefine camapaign finance are the same ones who benefit from the current system.

In short, we're f*cked.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately Perot may have done irreperable damage to any third party chances.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Until you have tried to run a third party camping you have no idea how true that statement is. Since that campaign the 2 parties have added millions of layers into the political infrastructure to keep out third party candidates.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

To all those who want to trade a TE:

TIGHT END: B+

2009: Chris Cooley [29 catches, 332 yards, 11.4, 2 TD] was having a pretty good season, considering the other problems on offense when he went down with a serious injury on Monday night against the Eagles and missed the rest of the year. Sophomore Fred Davis stepped uncertainly into the starting role and nobody knew quite what to expect. He responded with 48 catches for 509 yards [10.6] and a team-high 6 TD. Essentially, Davis replaced Cooley as Campbell's go-to guy and while Davis' blocking will never be used in a training film, it did improve somewhat as the year progressed. Todd Yoder made his usual contributions on special teams and in short yardage situations. He caught only 4 passes, but 3 were touchdowns and he's so technically sound that it would be amazing if he's not brought back.

2010: People who suggest the Redskins trade one of their tight ends are mistaken. Being able to run a two-TE offense with two starting-caliber tight ends is a rare thing and Washington can do it in 2010. This would improve the team's running game and passing game over the middle. Shanahan successfully used Daniel Graham and Tony Scheffler at the same time in Denver and both Cooley and Davis are better than those two. Yoder provides quality depth and with Cooley and Davis both healthy next season, tight end should be Washington's strongest position. There is no need to move one of them, the offense should thrive with Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

RUNNING BACK: D-

2009: Clinton Portis [494 yards, 4.0, 1 TD] hasn't looked like a top NFL back in 1.5 seasons and now the injuries are starting to pile up. He's reported to camp out of shape and his lack of production and health can at least partially be blamed on his inexcusably poor conditioning. He's also been a disruptive force on the team, complaining directly to the owner when he doesn't like the offense or if he thinks he's been pressured to practice when he does not wish to do so. When Portis was a top back the team was willing to overlook his poor practice habits and disruptive personality, but now that he's an also-ran, his days of playing by his own rules appear to be over. Ladell Betts [210 yards, 3.8, 2 TD] looked good when he played as a 3rd down back and a starter against Denver. However, his season was ended by a severe knee injury and it isn't clear when he'll be healthy again. He's almost 31 years old, but he doesn't have a lot of carries under his belt so he might be good for several more years if he can recover from the knee injury. Quinton Ganther and Rock Cartwright were not sufficient to the task when pressed into starting roles and are more suited to be backups. Cartwright became extremely unhappy with his role this season and might not return in 2010.

2010: Portis is guaranteed $6.4 million of his $7.2 million salary next season, though he could be cut without cap consequences in what will almost surely be an uncapped year. If he's cut the team must find a new starter or hope Ladell Betts is a quick healer. If Portis is kept, he must be constantly pressured by the new coaching staff to stay in shape, show up minicamps, do his offseason work and generally take his job seriously. He must also lose his private access to the owner and limit his team communication to the coaching staff and fellow players. I would probably cut Portis, but that's not my $6.4 million so it would be understandable if he is brought back. Portis had his best seasons in 2002 and 2003 for Mike Shanahan in Denver and might enjoy a brief career renaissance next year if he actually applies himself during the offseason. Shanahan has had considerable success with unheralded running backs [Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, etc.] and Washington might go after a runner with a draft pick outside the first round. At fullback, Mike Sellers had a major down year despite signing a contract extension. It's hard to justify his cap number, though not high, considering his meager contributions in 2009.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Pretty much what I've been saying...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

OFFENSIVE LINE: F

The offensive line was dismal, as bad as any in the NFL, and made progress for the entire offense virtually impossible. The great Chris Samuels was lost early to a severe spinal/neck injury and he will almost certainly retire, creating a gaping hole at left tackle. RG Randy Thomas missed almost the entire season to injury and at 34, his time is over. Center Casey Rabach had a down year and as an unrestricted free agent, probably should not be brought back. LG Derrick Dockery signed a big contract last offseason, but was only average. Average would be an improvement for the rest of the line, however. Chad Rinehart, recently arrested for public drunkenness, showed no real aptitude for the pro game and looks like a marginal backup at most. He broke his leg in late November and missed the rest of the season. Stephon Heyer got no push in the running game and struggled to protect the QB in the passing game. His footwork and punch were terrible. Mike Williams was out of shape and completely unsuited to play tackle. He looked better at guard, but needs to get in much better shape. Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams looked like backups, at most. Levi Jones couldn't make a comeback at left tackle and is unlikely to be brought back.

2010: The team is in desperate need of a new left tackle, a new right tackle, a new right guard and probably a new center. The team must also assemble quality depth at every position; it currently has none. LT Russell Okung may be available with the 4th pick in the draft and he'd be a solid pick at that spot. However, the team needs so much more than just a left tackle, the Redskins would be wise to trade down, if possible, and use the extra draft picks to acquire several offensive linemen in the draft. The Redskins need to come out of this draft with at least 3 offensive linemen, two of whom can start right away. That's a tall order, but it is what years of neglect have done to this position. Of the 2009 starters, only Dockery should be brought back.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

WIDE RECEIVER: D

2009: Santana Moss led this corps again with 70 catches for 902 yards [12.9] and 3 TD. As his numbers indicate, Moss became a possession receiver this year because he can't beat double teams deep anymore and the offensive line couldn't block long enough for deep routes anyway. Moss is still a solid receiver, but he's not a top target anymore. He's more suited to be a very good #2 wideout, but the team has failed to develop or acquire anyone better. Devin Thomas [25 catches, 325 yards, 13.0, 3 TD] won the starting job early, but never did much apart from one game. He looks the part of a top wideout, but he struggles to make plays and stay healthy. Malcolm Kelly [25 catches, 347 yards, 13.9] has the same problems Thomas has, though he finds it even more difficult to get open, particularly outside the hash marks. The fact that he's still looking for his first NFL touchdown tells you a lot about Kelly. He doesn't make plays and he gets injured a lot. Antwaan Randle El [50 catches, 530 yards, 10.6] would be suitable as a 4th receiver, but instead he was the 2nd-leading pass-catcher on the team. He can only get open on short crossing routes and doesn't make tacklers miss anymore. He didn't score a single touchdown and was so bad on special teams that it is hard to justify his presence on the roster. For reasons apparent only to the Redskins coaching staff, rookie Marko Mitchell received almost no playing time, catching only 4 passes for 32 yards.

2010: Randle El should not be brought back and Marko Mitchell needs a good, long look for more playing time from the new coaches. Moss is still productive and should be retained. Kelly and Thomas have enough potential that they deserve another season, but that's about it since they haven't earned roster spots with their play. The team really needs a massive infusion of talent, but since free agency is so limited and the draft will probably be used to fix problems on the offensive line, the best hope for improvement at this position is internal. Basically, Thomas and Kelly need to start playing like good receivers and Mitchell needs playing time to prove he is an NFL player. There is very little that is good at this position and every reason to believe 2010 will be a lot like 2009.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

QUARTERBACK: B

2009: Jason Campbell established career highs in completion percentage [64.5%], passer rating [86.4], passing yards [3618] and touchdown passes [20] despite having a weak running back corps, an under-achieving receivers and arguably the worst offensive line in the NFL. In addition to problems with the roster, Campbell also dealt admirably with a complete breakdown in the offensive coaching staff, with a new [or really old, depending on how you look at it] play-caller being brought in midseason. He did miss some open receivers and hasn't really proven he can win a big game, but when you look at what is likely to be available in the draft and free agency, Campbell looks better and better. One thing is for certain: Jason Campbell proved he is one of the toughest players in the league this past year.

2010: Campbell will likely be a restricted free agent and can be retained for at least one more season at the bargain basement price of about $3 million. I think the Redskins would be nuts not to do this and find out what Campbell could do with a real offense and play-caller supporting him. Todd Collins is pretty much finished as a backup and should be replaced. If new head coach Mike Shanahan likes Colt Brennan he should be promoted. If not, he should be discarded. There has been much talk about the Redskins pursuing a quarterback with the 4th pick in the draft this April. I believe that would be a big mistake, since none of the quarterbacks in the draft impress me enough to merit such a selection. What Washington should do is trade down, if possible, and stockpile more picks [they have only 5 right now] to address pressing needs at other positions.

http://dcprosportsreport.com/articles/washington-redskins/redskins-offense-in-2009-and-2010.html

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV wears pink lace panties.

Posted by: League-Source

so does chris larry. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 20, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"Who cares about any of this really when we only have until 12/21/2012?"

"Obama will predictably get served up as the reason for ongoing economic issues if they don't turn around."


And here we are: it's only been a year, and folks are ready to paint the Obama presidency black.

(INSERT bad pun groans and Al Sharpton led shouts of "Uncle Tom" and "Sellout" to the image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield working his tie and sending money to Haiti while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

so does chris larry. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 20, 2010 10:28 AM

I remember that you invented this line and I always thought it was great. I wonder if they wear the same lace pink panties? Victoria's Secret?

Posted by: League-Source | January 20, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

(INSERT bad pun groans and Al Sharpton led shouts of "Uncle Tom" and "Sellout" to the image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield working his tie and sending money to Haiti while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse


Or RedDMV could just curse you out for being an oreo.

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"...With the looming 2011 work stoppage.. It may be difficult to trade 2011 draft picks. Possibly also why 53 underclassmen are declaring for the 2010 Draft..."

That's why I'm so glad you disagree with the Madden GM.

There will be tons 'o unpolished gems even in the undrafted players: so why trade away what you have not knowing what you'll get?

Given the labor uncertainty and the generally conservative nature of football types, I think the skins will stick with what they have and make the most of it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

i am in favor of trading back still out of the 4th pick.

I am also in favor of trading back from our 36th pick.

Who is with me?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh yea, and prayer is such a terrible thing too. Have you considered suicide? Do us all a favor because you are the exact type that America doesn't need:

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 9:54 AM
To top it off he takes a shot at religious principles while he's at it. What a miserable degenerate he must be. There has never been a better argument for natural selection. Should have been killed at birth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 20, 2010 10:02 AM
HAAAAHHHAAAA. Hysterical, with Religous types like this, Who needs enemies!!!? What are you a Puritan Scamp?? You chastise him for his opinion on religion, and in the next breath speak of his demise. Might wanna check your 10 Commandments on that one...

Posted by: Club320 | January 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 8:10 AM

I amazingly agree 100%....To bad politicians are forced (save for my PG County residential boy Michael Steele) to stick to the parties line on too many occasions.....

3rd Party...He we come...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

LS someone needs to bring some fun back to the blog. It very ugly hear today with people wishing other people would just die. Like all others I am up for good debate but that just cross the line.

I must admit that so far the President is not getting high marks from me. It's only been a year and we all knew it was going to take time to clean up this mess. (or at least that is what I am telling myself for another year)

Posted by: jm220 | January 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"...Or RedDMV could just curse you out for being an oreo..."


Next month is Black History Month.

What red will notice is that the history celebrated is that of oreos who used their brains to help the less fortunate.

I do this every day in this blog.

The unfortunate are the ones who giggle and shake their heads as they read the crap I post.

And when they put MistaMoe on a stamp, I'll mail the first collection to redDmv and anyone else who wants one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

2012 Republican Presidential Candidate ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMpn6Z5JwNA

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

And when they put MistaMoe on a stamp, I'll mail the first collection to redDmv and anyone else who wants one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 20, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll be in line for a first day cover.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 20, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

yeah, i'm glad the dude won to breakup the 60% majority. yes, this country needs a major overhaul in healthcare but mandatory health insurance is not the answer. you're friggin creating a bigger monster: creating more customers for insurance companies. insurance companies are the problem. GET RID OF THEM!

Posted by: dealer1 | January 20, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 20, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I choose to NOT follow this Senate Race.

The media is what got the Republican elected.

(cue 4-12)

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, I think I'll come back when there's some football talk at hand. All this politics talk is boring me to tears.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Pretty much what I've been saying...

Posted by: p1funk | January 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Yup, Nobody has ever had 2 TEs as good as ours. Let's try innovating for once instead of copying things 5 years after they've ceased being effective.

Tight ends demand little compensation on the trade market. Future HOF Tony Gonzales went for a second rounder!!! We're sure to get burned with any deal we make. It simply isn't worth it. Giving up a solid pass catcher is not a good idea when you only have a couple solid pass catchers.

All TEs aren't created equal. Cooley can lead block, run block, pass block, and catch passes. Fred Davis is a really good pass catcher and can break tackles. I'd put Cooley down as a cross between a FB and a TE whereas Fred Davis is more of a cross bewteen a WR and a TE. They aren't the same player. They can both be on the field at the same time. You can use Cooley as a Hback(He's already done it), FB, or TE. Davis can be a WR(he was recruited as a WR and converted to TE) or TE. It doesn't necassarily have to be a 2 TE set. Is Sellers a much better lead blocker then Cooley at this point? Is Malcolm Kelly a much better WR than Davis? I don't think we lose more than we gain by having them both on the field at the same time. I bet Shanny will have a field day with these 2. There's no way we should trade them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

HD Video Boards coming to FedEx Field

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Football officiating future??

best shot of the Dallas Minn game... Refs looking up at the Jumbotron replay after throwing the "running into the kicker" flag but, not yet deciding if it was a 5 yard unintentional or a 15 yarder. Huge call before the game was out of hand.
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HD Video Boards coming to FedEx Field

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 20, 2010 11:07 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 20, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

HAAAAHHHAAAA. Hysterical, with Religous types like this, Who needs enemies!!!? What are you a Puritan Scamp?? You chastise him for his opinion on religion, and in the next breath speak of his demise. Might wanna check your 10 Commandments on that one...

Posted by: Club320 |

I made a humorous remark, and some want to declare war on it. It's okay. Just shows more about who understands humor and intelligence and who understands hatred and violence.

Posted by: midniterc | January 20, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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