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Kendall Mulling Options

Jason Reid reports:
Although the Redskins brought back guard Derrick Dockery, a former Washington draft pick and four-year starter, to replace left guard Pete Kendall, Coach Jim Zorn recently said he wanted Kendall to return for depth purposes. Kendall hasn't commented on his agent's talks with teams, and he declined to reveal whether he was close to returning to Washington or signing elsewhere, but the 13-year veteran definitely plans to play next season.
"All I would say is that I'm examining all my options," Kendall said today. "I just want to wait and see how things play out."

By Gene Wang  |  March 11, 2009; 4:27 PM ET
 
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First.

Posted by: jgr007 | March 11, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

He should definitely invest in options. Just make sure you can cover the margin call.

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

WAPO give it a rest, every year somebody gets a new contract and become's the highest paid player in the NFL.

stop trying to throw salt on old wounds.

WAPO like the girlfriend who says she forgives you but everytime you have an argument she brings up stuff from 30 years ago.


LET IT GO

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 11, 2009 4:33 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 11, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if Andre Smith's pro day has been discussed, but he was overwieght and apparently very weak.

I say we need to stay away from this kid, leaving the combine is not that big of a deal, but being out of shape for a pro day you have been training for is not good.

This kid seems very lazy, let another team take a shot on him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This kid seems very lazy, let another team take a shot on him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 4:38 PM |

PFT says he was running with his shirt off and that all sorts of flab was bouncing around. Ugly.

Thing is, if we trade down, we can still get him late in the first round. Miami might take him in the second with that pick that we gave them.

I'll say this. If we do sign him, we need a workout clause or two or three in his contract.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

theFreshinAU, you speaking for the younger audiance? Damn, homie how young are you?

I did see that movie though, it was 'aiight', but seeing "suburban" kids front like their the original's original gangster was just too damn funny to me.

You said East LA isn't the best place in the state? You mean from a jumpin/party stand point, or crime/violence?

My favorite line: "When you see me, you ain't goin't to wanna see me - yeah it's like that b!tch" - Jutin Timberlake's Character in the movie "Alpha Dog".

No, not because it sounds so "hood", I find it funny because of the overall cornballness of it all coming from Justin Timerlake.

One more thing: I was watching season two of "The Wire" last night, and forgot about my man 'Ziggy'. If you watched the series, you have to remember 'Ziggy'

I've never seen TheTruth before, and care not to, but I get the funny feeling that chracter was based off that Carolinian d0uchebag.

Mf'er, your new name is Ziggy.

TheTruth = Ziggy

"Damn, Zig"

Posted by: RedDMV | March 11, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

His pro day pretty much guarantees that Andre Smith will fall to us. Snatch him up and enjoy the ride.

As far as Kendall, let's hope he opts for us too. A known 3rd starter at guard would be great, and if Thomas plays poorly, we know what we can get out of Kendall.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Nothing worse than a shirtless fatty. We should steer clear of this guy. Too many question marks.

From a previous thread, Kolb was a 2nd round pick for the Eagles. They saw what they have in him against Baltimore when McNabb got benched and had the job handed back to him the next day. He won't be going anywhere unless he forces his way out.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 11, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight.

Albert Haynesworth is soo big, that he resides in NAshville AND Knoxville at the same time?

Wow. I'm glad we signed him. Sounds like a big MoFo.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

TE,

If we can trade down and get him later that might be OK.

But I don't think we should take a shot at 13.

I think he is going to be the only top T left at 13, so we might need to go DE if we can't trade back.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Alphadog wasn't in East LA.

It was placed in PalmSprings.

How can you confuse that?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

flound, I'm torn, I really am. I think after watching some video on smith, he's the real deal.

get him matched up with jm220, and lets see what he can do with him....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

psp,

I don't think so he is lazy and is not going to do the work it takes to become an elite T.

His reason for leaving the combine early, was so he could workout for his pro day.

He must of got sidetracked at Mickey D's

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

It takes a lot more dedication to play T in the NFL then in college.

In college you can get by with being bigger then everyone.

If he is not a hard worker he will get eaten alive in the NFL.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What does it take to motivate someone (A. Smith) to be the #1 pick in the NFL draft and collect the big paycheck? Not sure if I would spend a top 20 pick on him.

Best case, trade back and pick up an extra pick...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2009 4:49 PM

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Not that I want to continue the Campbell discussion -- however, the front office is probably being prudent by waiting to sign him to another contract. If he performs well this season and next year is uncapped, then they can afford to pay him a huge bonus and small yearly salaries. If Campbell fails to improve, then they could sign a big name FA, draft a QB, or make a determination if Colt can handle the job -- either way they probably will promote Colt to #2, send off Collins, and obtain a new #3 QB.

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Most of the early mock drafts had A Smith in the top 5 or 6, some as high as #2. That was based on his performance on the field.

If he's still available at #13 and the other top 3 OTs are gone, it would be idiotic not to fill a glaring need with a super talented kid (to be Gibbsian) who might need a little guidance.

Think about this: maybe A Smith is the reason Vineratto is suddenly putting so much emphasis on offseason workouts with high profile players!!! Once he gets here he'll have to deal with Hayneworth, Portis, Hall.... they'll all be there.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't know....not sure what to think about this one.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

God, I hope AH doesn't get jailed, or suspended, or both: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29596055/

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Look what happened when our rookies did not come to camp in shape last year. We do not need another year like that!

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Palmer - good question, but problably not - It's not like he robbed a convenience store while he was on probation.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I like your thinking, Alan4!
Post by: Alan4 @ March 11, 2009 4:55 PM

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 11, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Last year's rooks weren't top 5 caliber picks. They were also skill players, who always take a little longer to develop.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

curz, good catch.

I'm surprised that DS hasn't hired the greatest, most forward thinking mind on fitness, strength training, stretching, etc., to give the team an advantage.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 11, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

A Smith will probably require a year or two of training to get his body in top physical shape and study technique in the film room. His extremely slow 40 time and poor strength tests may have knocked him down to the 3rd round. In addition, he may not possess the strength or foot speed necessary to be a starting tackle in the NFL. I would be surprised if the Skins consider him in the first round -- unfortunately, his poor performance could end up pushing Oher up the draft boards and out of the Skins reach at #13.

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

His pro day pretty much guarantees that Andre Smith will fall to us. Snatch him up and enjoy the ride.

As far as Kendall, let's hope he opts for us too. A known 3rd starter at guard would be great, and if Thomas plays poorly, we know what we can get out of Kendall.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse
Right on, ps. The guy can play, so who cares about his numbers. I don't have a problem with incentives in his contract. But if he is there for us, I say we grab him.

And Kendall would be great insurance for us.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 11, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll take the guy's film any day over the guy's perceived combine work ethic. He let up 7 sacks his entire career in the SEC (started every game from his freshman year on), 5 of which came in his freshman season. And he's possibly the most dominant run-blocker in the nation, and arguably the most dominant run-blocker to come out of the SEC in the last decade. This is no chump.

As far as the reason for last year's rooks...Kelly was plain and simple injury-prone, while Devin Thomas was a one-year wonder in college who couldn't get the playbook and route-running down. Fred Davis was the same, and wasn't out of shape. I don't really see any one of them as comparable.

Posted by: psps23 | March 11, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

God, I hope AH doesn't get jailed, or suspended, or both: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29596055/

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 11, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse


WTF

Dude seriously you just got 100 mill why are you still driving yourself.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure the Skins need Kendall at this point. He would be a good backup OG, but does he play special teams? Resigning Geisinger (as a backup C/G) might be a better choice...

Kendall will explore his options, because he wants to start. He will not have that opportunity with the Skins, unless there is an injury or Thomas is not ready by the start of the season.

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

He is probably talking to the Pats. Might as well get a ring before you retire because it’s not going to happen here in Washington.

Posted by: lwilli1025 | March 11, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"God, I hope AH doesn't get jailed, or suspended, or both: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29596055/

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 11, 2009"

One can see why he is so eager to come to Virginia to work out. He definitely needs to get out of Tennessee. He probably should consider selling his houses, if he can, and moving. The DA might take that into consideration as he would not longer be a problem on their roads.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a situation where the Redskins are actually doing things right (same goes for the Doughty resigning).

The Redskins make an offer they feel is fair and beneficial to the team. If it turns out to be the best for the player then they take it. If not, then they move on with no hard feelings.

Let's give them some credit when it is due. Resigning Doughty at 500k was a good move, just as letting him walk would have been the right move if some other team wanted him for 1 Mil.

As For Kendell, he will be back at a modest salary unless he can find a starting opporitunity elsewhere.

Posted by: HokiePaul | March 11, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Or, the state of Tennessee could be really picky, and not allow AH to transfer his probation to VA, MD or D.C. - or allow AH to travel - then we would really be in a bit of a pickle.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

You guys are confusing Jason Smith with Andre Smith. Jason Smith is the highest rated LT in the draft. Andre Smith was projected to be the best G/T by PFW. His poor workout has probably knocked him out of the first two or three rounds and cost him millions of dollars...

Posted by: siris | March 11, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

They definitely need to draft OL with most if not all 4 picks. Unless they trade to get more ...

I have a feeling they will trade to get more because they still covet that elusive defensive end to go with Haynesworth (they have yet to sign Daniels and they decided to completely forgo Evans). However, other than Dockery they really haven't addressed their offensive line woes.

So my guess is that they make a deal with a club like Detroit with 2 picks in the first round. Or some team with lots of picks to deal.

Philly won't do it ... same division.

It looks more and more like that is the direction they will go ... attempting to trade picks in future years to get well now. Perhaps trading the 13th, moving down, picking up 2.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

According to a witness to the accident quoted in a police report, Haynesworth was driving his 2008 Ferrari 599GTB at high speeds on the interstate.

1. This is why one still drives oneself.

2. "Over 100" is not speeding in that automobile. It is "barely getting started".

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Think about this: maybe A Smith is the reason Vineratto is suddenly putting so much emphasis on offseason workouts with high profile players!!! Once he gets here he'll have to deal with Hayneworth, Portis, Hall.... they'll all be there.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009"

I think this is more about last year's 2 rookie receivers, Davis and Rhinehart. Gibbs trusted veterans like Springs, Moss, et al to stay in shape. Didn't "cajole" them into participating in the OTAs as he did in the previous years. Last year they followed suit and apparently decided that didn't work very well when the rookies showed up completely out of shape and completely unprepared for the NFL preseason.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

So the accident was a month old but the inditement is the news. Saw that Hogsh is reporting that the team had no knowledge of the incident at the time

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"Or, the state of Tennessee could be really picky, and not allow AH to transfer his probation to VA, MD or D.C. - or allow AH to travel - then we would really be in a bit of a pickle.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 11, 2009"

The guy's livelihood requires him to travel. Won't happen if he has a good lawyer.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

If we get Kendall and they are comfortable with Thomas Skins will not go oline with #13. Kendall will be the backup G/C they are looking for. With the starting 5 along with Jansen, Kendall and Rhinehart they may be done with this.

With this being said I think they are looking at a LB at 13. Also, I can see them going all defense in this draft unless they decide to pick up a young o lineman in the 3rd round. If not the 3rd round they may go all defense.

Posted by: 15600_sknfan | March 11, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

No confusion, siris... here's an example of an early mock draft from January that has Andre Smith going at #2, and Jason Smith going at #11. And another from January showing A Smith #6 and J Smith #13.

Here's another mock draft from Feb showing A Smith at #6 and J Smith at #8.

I have no dount things have changed since then, but when performance on the field was the only basis, A Smith was doing alright.

And although A Smith played LT in college, I believe he's projected as someone who can move to RT or G in the NFL.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

That son of a b#@$th JT.. Goes back home and Parcells gets our #2 pick and JT back. Good job Vinny, not trying to trade Taylor back to Miami...Goes to show you how much of bad football guy Vinny is.

JP-Phins fan “Jason has already agreed to terms with Miami
at 2 years 2 million. This makes sense as Taylor’s focus
is on his family and the money is secondary. He is not the
same player he was in 2006 but being in Miami will allow
him to work out in the off season and be near his family.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | March 11, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Correction: A Smith played RT in college, I believe he's projected as someone who can move to LT or G in the NFL

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

peri, ya gotta keep track of the number of OL on hand before adding this year's entire draft class.
Samuels
Dockery
Rabach
Thomas
Jansen
Heyer
Rinehart
#13 Pick
That's 8 out of 10

D'Anthony Batiste
Devin Clark
Will Montgomery
Ruben Riley
Isaiah Ross
--justaguys under contract (which means Buges has laid hands on them -- and I say that like it's a good thing)

Justin Geisinger
Pete Kendall
That Guy from AZ that we either did or didn't talk to
3rd Round Pick
5th Round Pick
7th Round Pick
--options you have to consider

Most teams have 10 OL, excluding practice squad. I presume that some of the justguys would be the practice squad fodder, so you're definitely going to throw away someone who's been in the program for at least this offseason if you spend a draft pick on the OL.

I could possibly see one more OL drafted, if it happens the 'best player available' algorithm pops someone to the head of the class. But it's a crowd already. If #13 goes to some other position, I would not be shocked if no OL are drafted. They have youth under contract. I don't know if they have quality youth, but then again why would you think we would get quality youth, on the second day, with vinnie in charge?

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Can someone from the Washington Post please take the photo of TO and Jerry Jones off the Redskins page. Two people I think we all can not stand and every time I come to see any Redskin news have to see them. Old news, get rid of them.

Posted by: candyangle | March 11, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Some of you guys on here must not no nothing about football. First off there aren't to many offensive lineman that you will want to see running around with their shirt off. Nobody cares what a offensive lineman ran in the 40, or how much can he bench. Last i checked lineman are supposed to block. Andre Smith is a beast. Put on the game film and watch him get busy. The man works on the football field and he wasn't running around in no shorts and a t-shirt like at the combine. If he is sitting there at 13 when we get there we need to get him. How many people can tell me that future Hall of Famer Joe Bugel can't get Andre Smith ready to go up against the best in the NFL.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | March 11, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

psps23, not trying to compare A Smith to the two WR rookies but alot was made about those two being out of shape coming into camp that they were not able to participate and were hobbled by hamstring injuries. Last thing we need during camp is working on getting Smith into shape instead of learning the playbook.

If we can trade back and get him late first or early second...just not sure I would use the 13th pick on him. Especially after reading what some scouts had to say about his pro day workout.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

According to a witness to the accident quoted in a police report, Haynesworth was driving his 2008 Ferrari 599GTB at high speeds on the interstate.

1. This is why one still drives oneself.

2. "Over 100" is not speeding in that automobile. It is "barely getting started".

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

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How does a 320 lb DT like AH fit into a 2008 Ferrari 599GTB. Must be for the status.

Posted by: Ronnie5 | March 11, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

If Albert has to face a jury trial, he should move it here. No judge is going to make him do a weekend detention thing. Too risky for the judge

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Quick someone go into that DA office records and see if the guy has gone to any Titans games.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

In my mind, this is clear.

Would we pick andre smith if we had the 5th pick in the draft

The answer is no. Why? Because there is a big risk involved, and with his work ethic there is a good chance he's a huge bust.

So, if you won't take him at six because you think he is gonig to be a bust, what makes it okay to waste 13 or even late 1st on him. If there is enough concern not to take this guy early because we think he will be a bust, he should not be taken ever for the same reason. Just because its a lower pick doesn't make it okay to waste it.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 11, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Tyler,

That was the funniest thing I have ever read.

Trade JT back to the Dolphins, what a f-ing joke they wouldn't have traded a ham sandwich for JT.

They signed him back because no one else wanted him and he knows there system.

Vinny trying to trade JT back to the Dolphins would have been stupid, because parcells would still be laughing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Gil Brandt of NFL.com reports that Andre Smith was solid in his positional drills, while he was lacking in the workout drills. Charles Davis of the NFLN reiterated the same point. What I gather from this is that Smith is talented at his job, but perhaps immature and lazy. If I'm the skins I draft Smith without hesitation. Put some workout clause and weight clauses. Imagine when he does get in shape.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

SCOUT: “SMITH LOST MILLIONS TODAY”
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 4:25 p.m. EDT
Alabama offensive tackle Andre Smith’s campus workout today in front of NFL scouts was a “disaster,” according to Tony Pauline of SI.com.

Quoting an unnamed scout, Pauline writes that Smith’s lack of preparation was obvious as he was overweight. One scout called the performance, “one of the worst workouts I’ve ever seen.”

Another AFC East scout told Pauline: “He lost millions today.”

As a league source told us earlier today, Smith ran with his shirt off.

According to Pauline, comments were made about “the flab and the rolls on his body” during Smith’s 40-yard dashes as he posted times between 5.21 and 5.29 seconds.

Per the article, several scouts weren’t happy to travel a long way only to witness a bad workout. And Smith’s trainers were not pleased, either.

UPDATE: NFL.com has reported additional details on the workout, noting that Smith was 6-4 1/4, 325 pounds with 40-yard dash times of 5.28 and 5.33 seconds.

He turned in a 25-inch vertical leap, a 7-10 broad jump, a 7.88 time in the three-cone drill and bench pressed 225 pounds for 19 repetitions.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

PANTHERS CUT KEN LUCAS
Posted by Aaron Wilson on March 11, 2009, 4:41 p.m. EDT
The Carolina Panthers cut veteran starting cornerback Ken Lucas today, according to the Associated Press.

The transaction creates roughly $2.3 million in 2009 salary-cap room after releasing Lucas, who signed a six-year, $36 million contract in 2005.

The Panthers were unsuccessful in finding a trade partner for Lucas. Lucas turned down a proposed trade to the Detroit Lions in February.

Lucas struggled last season in deep coverage and was on the verge of being replaced by Richard Marshall.

According to NFL.com, Lucas had 60 tackles and two interceptions last season.

In eight NFL seasons, Lucas has 495 tackles and 24 interceptions.

UPDATE: The Panthers have issued a statement about Lucas.

“Ken Lucas has been a very valuable player for us over the last four years and played an important role on two playoff teams during that span. Ken is a true pro and we wish him the very best,” Panthers General Manager Marty Hurney said. “This year, we have re-signed some veteran players and this move means some younger players will have an opportunity to step up.”

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Where' the JT signing info? ... haven't seen it

As for OL, the Skins need to get the guy they want and trade up to get him, if needed.

As a team, we've added a bunch of questionable character guys in the past 2 years. Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Albert, DeAngelo.

Me thinks we have enough risk with guys recently added -- no reason to risk selecting an underachiever with a #1 pick. Even if the Skins stay at 13, they have significant needs at OLB and DE -- and can use that pick there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

If this JT stuff is real then Vinny needs to be fired on the spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If this JT stuff is real then Vinny needs to be fired on the spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 6:45 PM |

Why what makes it any different then before, everybody knew he was going to sign somewhere else, and for a lot less money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Bristol Palin and her fiancé Levi Johnston have broken up, two sources tell PEOPLE.

The split happened "a few weeks ago," according to a source close to the couple, but it's unclear what precipitated it. "It was a mutual thing," adds the source.

---- WOW -- Didn't see THAT one coming!!! cough cough

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tyler post a link to your JT story.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Why what makes it any different then before, everybody knew he was going to sign somewhere else, and for a lot less money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Dude thats like going all in at a poker table with a pair of 3s on the first hand. Pluss the fact that they did not know about the AH car accident a month ago. Its all on him.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The car accident wasn't the problem, the guy only decided to prosecute with in the last couple of days.

Nothing is going to happen with the car accident, he will not get in any trouble.

There are many reasons to call for Cerratos head, these are not one of them.

The trade was praised by most when it happened, it didn't work out we cut him because of his huge contract.

Another team was going to sign him, the Dolphins had the inside track because of his family.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

That should be press charges not prosecute.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't find anything on Taylor being resigned by the Dolphins, I think Tyler is full of sh!t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 11, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

---- WOW -- Didn't see THAT one coming!!! cough cough

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Quick someone check thier face book and see the status

Posted by: alex35332 | March 11, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"Haynesworth to Start Work Monday"

You've heard of the "Year of Living Dangerously". This could be the Skins' "Off Season of Living Dangerously"

1. Albert Haynesworth. We have all heard the stories. Injury problems. Anger management problems. Work ethic problems. Driving problems. Not DUIs, but accidents and speeding. Last citation was while on probation. Jail time?

2. DeAngelo Hall. Dude was kicked off the Raiders, otherwise known as Undead Al's "Home for Bad Attitudes", for ... having a bad attitude! Jeepers creepers!

3. Andre Smith. This one is still blowing in the wind, but Danny Boy would snatch the dude in the blink of an eye if he were still on the board at 13. Very similar to Albert - can be a beast if he applies himself but there are work ethic and other issues. If the Skins do get him then they would have the "'Bama Brothers". Outside of their alma mater they couldn't be more different. Chris the church going, bible reading good citizen; Andre the unpredictable wild man - kicked off the team for the Sugar Bowl, showing up and then disappearing from the combine.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 11, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

[sarcasm on]Yeah, who wants guys with character problems? Screw Andre Smith if he falls from a projected #1 or #2 pick to #13! I don't care if he reached that top projection due to awesome play on the field--he stunk up the interviews and ran a slow 40!

John Riggins, Dexter Manley, Clinton Portis... who needs these characters? Let's look for someone with less talent and a better attitide at a position that's less critical than OT! [sarcasm off]

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse


please inform

'....MistaMoe = Dudes from AlphaDog?...'


Who or what is "AlphaDog"?

And I'm all natural poster, btw.

No perservatives, additives, or artificial substances.

I don't work for the Wa Po and wouldn't as journalism is a professional akin to mortuary services in my witty little mind.

I have a job where I'm in front of a computer, a bad habit for puns, and a devout interest in the Washington Redskins.

I am presently in recovery for my addiction to sexually suggestive commentary as psps23 called it.

My sponsor, Ron Jeremy, told me that blogging was a proper way to deal with my addiction to 'phallic allusions,' something which we all know can be hard on a guy.

OOOppps: there I go again.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Jansen is still big and strong; just his feet arent nimble enough to block quick edge pass rushers.Why not play him at guard,he's still a great run blocker and big enough to hold up 12-20 snaps against tackles.I think he could perhaps still play at a high level at guard.

Posted by: mark65 | March 11, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

[turn brain off]Yeah, who wants guys with character problems? Screw Andre Smith if he falls from a projected #1 or #2 pick to #13! I don't care if he reached that top projection due to awesome play on the field--he stunk up the interviews and ran a slow 40!

John Riggins, Dexter Manley, Clinton Portis... who needs these characters? Let's look for someone with less talent and a better attitide at a position that's less critical than OT! [turn brain back on]

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 7:38 PM |

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 11, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

My sponsor, Ron Jeremy, told me that blogging was a proper way to deal with my addiction to 'phallic allusions,' something which we all know can be hard on a guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 7:54 PM |

Or make a guy hard!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 11, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh, I know we got off on a wrong foot because I criticized one of your comments in a previous thread.

Have at me if you like, but at least try to be funny or informative. Rest assured, your retorts to my comments are neither.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

What does it take to motivate someone (A. Smith) to be the #1 pick in the NFL draft and collect the big paycheck? Not sure if I would spend a top 20 pick on him.

Best case, trade back and pick up an extra pick...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 11, 2009 4:49 PM


Posted by: Curzon417
They keep talking about the "big 4" OT prospects, but they are talking about OT's with great LT potential. There are several OT's considered great RT prospects who will be available late in the first and probably into the second rounds. From what I've been hearing, there are several concerns about Smith's potential for LT as it is. Trade down, get a second tier OT who will still be a great RT (as Jansen was for so many years) and with that extra third (hopefully second) round pick, fill another need such as LB, DE, or maybe even another OL.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 11, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh please if Pete Kendall wants to explore his options, he can take his bum knees and hit the bricks. Why are we stressing over a soon to be 36 year old G? It would seem far wiser to obtain a cheaper, younger G who can be just as marginal as Kendall. Thanks for playing hurt Pete, but if you think you can do better, by all means...

Posted by: burbworks | March 11, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

It worked for Kendall once, hold on until someone gets desperate for a guard, then bail them out at the last minute. My guess is Kendall signs somewhere else after some team's guard gets dinged in preseason.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Options????? You ain't got no options Pete!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 11, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Kendall's value is at its lowest point right now. Kendall is the guy every team wants if their starter goes down. It'll happen. Someone will go down and that team will pay Kendall nicely -- at that time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Options????? You ain't got no options Pete!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 11, 2009 8:29 PM
______________________________

So he does have options?

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 11, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh, I know we got off on a wrong foot because I criticized one of your comments in a previous thread.

Have at me if you like, but at least try to be funny or informative. Rest assured, your retorts to my comments are neither.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 8:14 PM |

I don't recall any previous thread stuff, but you are a tempting target that is hard to resist.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 11, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is mulling his options...?

Options....?

Who does he think he is, Larry Little?

He's what, 36...geez!

It's been almost ten years since I been 36, and even then I couldn't block as poorly as Kendall could at 35.

Doesn't he know at his age a career as a Hover-a-round endorser awaits?

Maybe he can sell stool softners or use his football knowledge to hawk adult diapers to anyone having issues controlling what comes out of their tight ends.

Move on oldtimer!

What is gained sal cap wise if he leaves or is released?

(This last question makes me wish those afternoon fact cut-n-paste monsters were on boring us all to death with what I hate the most: details.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

What is gained sal cap wise if he leaves or is released?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 8:53 PM

Moe,

He's played out his contract. He's a free agent. He's unemployed, like 8% of the work force. So, even if you'd like to, you can't release him. And he counts nothing against the cap, unless we sign him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"They keep talking about the "big 4" OT prospects, but they are talking about OT's with great LT potential. There are several OT's considered great RT prospects"

In point-of-fact Andre Smith is considered by many to be more of a right tackle than a left tackle.

There is no doubt given Samuels history of injuries the Redskins need a LEFT TACKLE. It wasn't THAT long ago that everyone was saying that Jansen was a tough guy who would be back ... he is back but he isn't the same ... not even close.

Unfortunately, the Eagles who are also in need of a left tackle are in a better position to do something about it.

I suspect the Redskins will draft a defensive end as the linebackers in this draft are considered problematic by some.

But they really do need a left tackle, a center, and another guard far, far more.


Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

cuzon

'....What does it take to motivate A. Smith...'


Andre Smith

The dude weighs 350 pounds.

What motivates him?: probably a bucket of chicken, a stack of biscuits, and a plate of dirty rice all washed down with a 'biggee' slurpee.

And money, of course.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Jansen is still big and strong; just his feet arent nimble enough to block quick edge pass rushers.Why not play him at guard,he's still a great run blocker and big enough to hold up 12-20 snaps against tackles.I think he could perhaps still play at a high level at guard.

Posted by: mark65 | March 11, 2009"

Actually center would be where he would best fit. I think they were trying that but it didn't go very far before he was called back into right tackle.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What motivates him?: probably a bucket of chicken, a stack of biscuits, and a plate of dirty rice all washed down with a 'biggee' slurpee.

And money, of course.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 8:59 PM

Moe, We're asking about Andre Smith. What you just listed motivates every man in America. Hell I'm gonna go block someone right now when I walk the dog I'm so fired up and motivated.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

So let a brother get this straight: Kendall really has no options to mull.

Well, then: Take him into the front office.

Shake his hand.

Pat his back and smile a lot.

Offer him a chocolate candy.

Give him a gold watch.

Lay him down, turn on the soft classical music, and show him video of his highlights from last season's Rams' game like they did the old guy in that movie Soylent Green.

And when the Rams' player scores the touchdown, press the button that'll cause him to slide out of the building and off the roster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

don't know anything about Andre Smith -- but I do know that a lot of $$ gets made by impressing the right people at these combine/workout things. If a top guy isn't interested enough to be ready for it, he's not a guy I'm interested in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

If Smith is there at 13, then take him. Play hardball with an incentive-heavy contract. We have Samuels as leverage.

Posted by: p1funk | March 11, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

So let a brother get this straight: Kendall really has no options to mull.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:10 PM

We don't know. 'Skins probably offered him one year, league min, plus a ham sandwich. Maybe someone else made him the same offer. Maybe not.

All these marginal guys say the same thing while they wait -- "I'm mulling my options." Their agents are calling every team in the league for them, but their agents are also busy with 18 other guys, some of whom actually have more than one offer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe,

Alpha Dog is a true story based in your hood. (Palm Springs or Palm Beach).

Basically the life of a bunch of wiggas who do the most stupidest thing imaginable at the very end of the movie. Justin Timberlake is in it (with tats all over his body. Ugly. Fake gangsta.)

It's running right now on HBO, so you should go check it out. It's really really good (save for the end).

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

4thFloor

'...Alpha Dog is a true story based on a bunch of wiggas who do the most stupidest thing imaginable at the very end of the movie...'


So I'm a 'wigga'?

Should I be flattered?

Just what is this 'wigga' thing that you count me as?

Do 'wiggas' have some meeting place or ideology they embrace, you know, something like believing Malcolm X and Eminem are the same person?

I'm not to hip to the 'cool' talk you young people use today.

I'd be pleased to be a 'wigga' if it didn't sound so much like a term for a black man wearing a hair piece.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Kendall's agent, I'm calling every GM in the league with the same script.

"Pete is gonna stay in shape and be ready to go on a moments notice. If one of your guards gets dinged, you'll want a vet with a clue who can step in a play. You'll pay $1.5 million for a guy who played pretty well while not missing a game in the last 2 years."

If I'm a GM, I keep Kendall's agent's number. Because, stuff happens.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Just what is this 'wigga' thing that you count me as?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:36 PM

I thought everyone but me knew this. Thanks for asking.

Right now, the wiggas are mulling their options.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

don't know anything about Andre Smith -- but I do know that a lot of $$ gets made by impressing the right people at these combine/workout things. If a top guy isn't interested enough to be ready for it, he's not a guy I'm interested in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 9:11 PM

Then I guess you wouldn't have been interested in Jerry Rice, and you would have loved Mike Mamula.


Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Sign out in front of Moe's house:

SIGN KEN LUCAS or DRE BLY
Do It Now!!!!!!!

Trade Carlos Rogers and 2010's 1st round pick: we'll get a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year.

That's four picks in the top rounds of the draft, people.

This is a no brainer.

And Moe has no brain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Moe if you took offense to the term.

But I have been intrigued by this movie and I was really just hoping you could verify the going ons in this movie since it is based in your hood.

I thought you was a 20 something dude like me, not an almost retired age person like TE........

Oh, and wigga is far from a new term. It is as old as ebonics and has been retired for a long time.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Then I guess you wouldn't have been interested in Jerry Rice, and you would have loved Mike Mamula.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 9:51 PM

Are any of those stories about a guy who left the combine early, went home to work with his trainer, and then showed up at his pro day fat and out of shape? Jerry Rice? Mike Mamula?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 11, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Hall took the money and the spot that they could have had.

It's more likely they will trade down their #13 pick and get multiple picks from that. You only trade a future 1st if you must have a specific player now.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone up north appreciating Eric Maynor and his athletic VCU Rams led by future coaching legend Anthony Grant.They have brought big time basketball down here to Richmond for the first time since University of Richmond went to the sweet sixteen in the 80's.They are a little on the svelte side down low,but look out they are going to put on a show.

Posted by: mark65 | March 11, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Jerry Rice was always in shape and ready. I'm sure his 40 time at the combine wasn't a function of his being out of shape. Sprinting 40 yards wasn't a fitness test for Jerry Rice at age 21.

Funny story about Rice. Walsh called his college coach because Rice wasn't doing well in practices. His college coach told Walsh, "You're not working him hard enough". Walsh raised Rice's practice level and still was having problems. Another call, same answer. At some point, Walsh started pushing Rice beyond anything he'd ever expect from anyone. At which point, Rice blossomed.

Rice was one of those rare players who loved to work harder than anyone else. According to Ronnie Lott, Rice used another hard worker as his role model: Art Monk.

Paid off, didn't it?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

MORE EVIDENCE OF HAYNESWORTH TAMPERING
Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2009, 7:02 p.m.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that the only thing preventing the Tennessee Titans from making a claim of tampering against the Redskins is whether the Titans have the stomach to wag a metronome finger at the franchise and claim, “They’re very, very, very bad.”

There’s more than enough evidence, in our view, to permit the Titans to make the allegation. It then would fall to the league office to conduct an investigation.

The latest piece of evidence is the closest thing yet to a smoking gun.

From Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean comes a link to an archived interview with Redskins running back Rock Cartwright (Cartwright!) from the first morning of free agency.

Ironically, the interview was conducted by ESPN 980 in D.C., a separate property of Redskins owners Dan Snyder.

“I kind of had an idea they were going to sign [Haynesworth] anyways,” Cartwright said. “One of my teammates said they had the same agent and . . . he said they had been talking.”

The teammate in questions is receiver Malcolm Kelly.

Haynesworth recently claimed that the meeting between agent Chad Speck and Snyder at the Scouting Combine focused exclusively on Kelly. Apparently, the agent and the team think that Kelly can be the next Andre Johnson. (It’s unknown whether they mean the Andre Johnson who plays football for the Houston Texans, or the one who pumps gas in South Carolina.)

Again, the real question is whether the Titans are willing to accuse a partner of cheating at a time when the 32 owners have been operating in unison and harmony, given the coming labor turmoil with the union.

Our guess is that the team prefers to huff and puff, but if/when push comes to shove the Titans won’t be blowing anyone’s house in.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Right about Jerry Rice, zce, and right about ASmith possibly being out of shape (common for OTs).

I just think of the combine as sort of like the SAT. What's a better predictor of future performance? Past performance or a "skills" test?

Gotta admit the guy was a stud in college. He's 22 years old, and I just think a little seasoning may be all he needs.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

That PFT story means didley. Everyone already knew the Skins and the agent were talking. It still doesn't say what they were talking about.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 11, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Tampering is hard to prove and the reality is that the Titans aren't likely to get anything out of it. Especially since they weren't going to match the Skins offer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith, before the combine:

"Smith was one of the top five high school recruits three years ago, and immediately paid dividends for the Crimson Tide...."

"He won the Outland Trophy, earned All SEC honors, and was a unanimous All American..."

(Strengths)

Smith is a lineman that has the ability to dominate on every snap...

(Weaknesses)

The problem with Smith will come down to his actual size as the draft approaches. He plays very well in the 340lb range and can play in the NFL at that size. He probably plays inside at guard or at right tackle however. If he can shed a few pounds, his mobility becomes even more impressive and he definitely could lock down the left tackle spot for the team that drafts him..

Future

...has the potential to be the top overall pick in April...

Posted by: Alan4 | March 11, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

"SIGN KEN LUCAS or DRE BLY
Do It Now!!!!!!!

This is a no brainer.

And Moe has no brain.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 11, 2009"

AND SAMARI ROLLE may soon become available.

I like the thinking ... the DB is first priority on the "D". Every chance to improve it should be considered.

They could also draft a tackle, center and a guard while releasing the current center, trade rogers. That might free up enough cap space for these guys ... but then there's the dead cap ...

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

To me, the combine is a form of job interview. You come prepared if you want the job.

Now its possible to have a bad 'interview' for a variety of reasons, but lack of preparation shouldn't be one of them.

Fwiw, Rice's slow time didn't keep Walsh from trading up about 4 slots to get him. Smart move ... plus it prevented Rice from being picked by dallas.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd really be surprise if Smith falls out of the top ten. The bottom line comes down to his production on the field. Dude can straight ball. He had a solid character reputation before. He'll need to be coached hard, and a smart FO will put in incentives to protect. Worst case for him will be the 49ers.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

They could also draft a tackle, center and a guard while releasing the current center, trade rogers. That might free up enough cap space for these guys ... but then there's the dead cap ...

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 10:40 PM
_______________________

The most important thing in successful football teams is continuity along the OLine. That means the same players knowing the same system. When a team implements a new offense, the OLine meshing together is the reason that offense will be in sync or not. We saw it first hand last year. When an OLine can think about HOW they are going to block the guy across from them and not WHO they are supposed to block on a given play it makes a world of difference. Last year, the OL learned a limited amount of plays early and were successful. Then when they had to change their schemes and implemented more of the offense with limited time things started to unravel.

All of that said, you can't blow up this offensive line. The new system was as much a factor as the perceived lack of talent. Replacing Kendall will be an adjustment. Inserting a new RT if we don't start Heyer will be another adjustment. You can't then replace your C. That would be lunacy.

Oh, and before someone says they kept the same running game as Gibbs STOP. They did not keep the same running game, only the same terminology, but the plays were completely different and were all Zorns offense.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 11, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd really be surprise if Smith falls out of the top ten. The bottom line comes down to his production on the field. Dude can straight ball. He had a solid character reputation before. He'll need to be coached hard, and a smart FO will put in incentives to protect. Worst case for him will be the 49ers.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009 10:52 PM
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As a fan, I'd like to see the Skins pass on him if he falls to 13, which I think he will. Randy Moss smoked weed and transfered multiple times and almost fell out of the first round, same with Warren Sapp and all he did was smoke weed. This kid needs to really get his act together and with the 13th pick in a draft with limited picks I don't think you can take a flyer on him. If I'm the Eagles with 2 first rounders maybe I do, but not us. Too much risk with this kid, plus you know with his draft stock plummeting his agent is going to hold him out for a long time trying to say he should have been taken earlier and should get paid more. Odds are, he wouldn't help us this year anyway so why waste the pick. With our 3 2nd rounders not giving us anything last year we can't afford two straight years with no impact from our early round players.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 11, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Tampering is hard to prove and the reality is that the Titans aren't likely to get anything out of it. Especially since they weren't going to match the Skins offer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 10:35 PM

It's not about the Titans gaining anything.

It's about the Redskins losing draft picks...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"All of that said, you can't blow up this offensive line. The new system was as much a factor as the perceived lack of talent. Replacing Kendall will be an adjustment. Inserting a new RT if we don't start Heyer will be another adjustment. You can't then replace your C. That would be lunacy.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 11, 2009"

Its also the main reason why they BLEW UP last year. You keep Samuels and move him right, you keep Thomas. You now have Dockery. You replace the LT and C, pick up another guard in case Thomas goes down. Tight end would be basically the same.

Besides look at last year's Superbowl winner the Steelers. And how long has that line been together?

They have Bugel.

If they trade down they might get someone like Lydon Murtha and Max Unger? That might be enough right there to rebuild the WHOLE DAM not just stick a thumb in the plug the leaks. Maybe you get a Kraig Urbik as well.

They need to start major reconstruction NOW before its really too late. It WAS too late last season and they failed to heed and lost the 2nd half of the season.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

"It's about the Redskins losing draft picks...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009"

Kind of like 2003 when they ended up with only 3 picks, featuring 2nd rounder Taylor Jacobs first, after going after RFA's.


Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

So what did we draft M Kelly last year solely to have an excuse to talk to haynesworth's agent before free agency started this year?

Posted by: dante232 | March 11, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Tampering is hard to prove and the reality is that the Titans aren't likely to get anything out of it. Especially since they weren't going to match the Skins offer.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 10:35 PM

It's not about the Titans gaining anything.

It's about the Redskins losing draft picks...

Posted by: 4thFloor

exactly -- so why would the Titans go after the Skins unless it was really blatant?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

To KurtShanaman and all the rest of you JC Haters...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHH-6ZQktRQ

I know who I'm picking in my fantasy league next year.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | March 11, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Cuz. Just Because.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 11, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'd really be surprise if Smith falls out of the top ten. The bottom line comes down to his production on the field. Dude can straight ball. He had a solid character reputation before. He'll need to be coached hard, and a smart FO will put in incentives to protect. Worst case for him will be the 49ers.

Posted by: TWISI | March 11, 2009"

With his scores and weight he's a guard. 1st or 2nd round ... but he is claiming to be a 1st round left tackle ... :) He needs to be repackaged as a guard.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

If we are trying to lock up a franchise tackle this is what we do. You guys aren't going to like it but it makes sense.

This year has one really good LT, Jason Smith. We were incredibly lucky to get the 13th pick with an 8-8 record, and we are never going to get a top tackle in the draft if were not in the top 5. So we trade this 1st for a 1st next year and a 2nd this year, giving up a 3rd at some point. Then we draft a RT this year, and keep pushing that 1st rounder back until we identify a LT who will be a stud for 10 years, and trade two 1sts to get him. If we don't do this were gonig to be stuck waiting for one of the top-middle tier guys to drop to us, because god knows we are never going to finish worse than 7-9 or better than 10-6.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 11, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

"exactly -- so why would the Titans go after the Skins unless it was really blatant?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 11, 2009"

Its like calling for a replay ... if there is a good chance they could get an additional 1st round pick or two?

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

"If we are trying to lock up a franchise tackle this is what we do. You guys aren't going to like it but it makes sense."

Based on the combine and pro days and scouts assessments it looks like there are some guys out there who might end up being just as good as Jason Smith, or better?

Here's one scenario. Trade this year's 13th and 3rd rounder to New England for the 23rd and the 2nd pick (34) of the 2nd round.

Then we trade next year's 1st rounder (2010), and New England's 1st rounder, (23rd) plus another lower round pick for their 2nd 1st rounder (#20), their 2nd rounder(33), and 3rd rounder(65).

So, we would pick #20, #33, #34, #65, plus a 5th and 6th round pick.

Should be able to come out with a DE plus OL.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Ooops sorry ...

Then we trade next year's 1st rounder (2010), and New England's 1st rounder, (23rd) plus another lower round pick TO DETROIT for their 2nd 1st rounder (#20), their 2nd rounder(33), and 3rd rounder(65).

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

The first thing I look for in an OL is the Wonderlik score. After that, its toughness, and competitiveness. Someone who won't quit, no matter what. That high in the draft, you want someone who will be ready to start from day 1.

So, if Hillary Clinton is available at #13, we take her. Then move Samuels to right tackle and put her in Samuels spot because Hillary's more comfortable on the left side and start her immediately. Bonus: She'll be extra tough in the games that start at 3am.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Scouting report on Andre Smith:

"Projection
Jake Long was the #1 overall pick last year and may just have started a bit of a trend. If the team at the top of the draft wants their LT spot sorted for the next 10 years, they will draft this guy. If not, someone else is going to find themselves with an absolute steal."

Posted by: Alan4 | March 12, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

They need to start major reconstruction NOW before its really too late. It WAS too late last season and they failed to heed and lost the 2nd half of the season.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:11 PM
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While I appreciate your disdain for the OL that's not what you do in your QB's contract year when you're deciding whether or not he's your franchise QB. You cannot throw him out there and see what he can do with an inexperienced offensive line.

JLC posted many times on here how the Eagles drafted the most OL this decade. For all of that, only ONE of their starting OL this past season was drafted this decade, Todd Herremans. Tra Thomas was in the late 90's. So for all those draft picks the Eagles used on their OL, only one and possibly 2 if Andrews returns from his injury. That's a lot of misses on the OL.

Take the Steelers for example. They drafted the 2nd most OL to the Eagles as per JLC and 3 are starting. Of those 3, while this was 2 of their first year starting, they were drafted in 2004, 2005 and 2006. That means even though they got younger and won, the youngest was in his 3rd year with the team. The didn't just throw out a whole line of new players and shift a perrenial pro bowler to RT like your suggesting. While I appreciate your research of draft picks, you just can't throw a line with 3 rookies together and hope they work out and hope to determine if your free agent QB is your franchise QB. Detroit can do it, they don't have the highest payroll in the league, they are rebuilding. WE ARE NOT REBUILDING. Some of us may wish they are, but we are not!

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

"WE ARE NOT REBUILDING. Some of us may wish they are, but we are not!

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009"

How is it "REBUIDING" when Samuels would remain (at right tackle), Thomas would play right guard and Derrick Dockery would play Left Guard? All three are veterans with experience ON THIS LINE.

The two weakest positions on the line have been identified as left tackle and center. Casey Rabach had 3 guys drafted to replace him in Baltimore while he was there. He isn't considered a top center and does not do well against the large DT/NT types.

A talented left tackle like a Jake Long, a Jim Lachey etc would clearly immediately fit in and do well.

Backing up the tackles would be veteran Stephon Heyer and Jon Jansen. All that would be left was to draft a young, strong guard/center to act as backup (something they sorely lacked LAST YEAR!!!!) Perhaps he would replace Thomas in time. You could keep Rabach as a backup or let him compete with the high draft pick center just as Baltimore did.

SIMPLE ARITHMETIC NO? 3 veterans plus tight end starting along with 2 rookies. 2-3 veterans as backups plus (hopefully) 1 rookie.

This I believe would work and has in the past for this very team ... in fact it has worked more than once in this team's past.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Plus last year's recalcitrant: Chad Rhinehart the 3rd round flop would be available to try, try again in competition with the new blood.

So the mix of veterans and "rookies" would be just about right.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

SIMPLE ARITHMETIC NO? 3 veterans plus tight end starting along with 2 rookies. 2-3 veterans as backups plus (hopefully) 1 rookie.

This I believe would work and has in the past for this very team ... in fact it has worked more than once in this team's past.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:12 AM
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So you're cutting your third round pick from last year and an undrafted free agent in Geisinger that Bugel really likes. There is a roster limit? Oh, and how are you getting Jake Long with the 13th pick in the draft. OL is the toughest position to draft. You're counting on Vinnie being able to hit on a 1st and 3rd round OL picks that can start? Really????? I know what you'd like to see happen but its really not realistic and in fact is impossible. Also, Rabach may struggle a little one on one with Nose Tackles but since this year we only play 3 games against teams with a 3-4 I'm not as worried.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

After the disastrous impression Smith left at the combine, I'm willing to admit this could be a bit high for the tackle, who some teams feel could now last into the 20s of the first round. But I'm factoring in the Redskins being desperate for a tackle, and that there's time for Smith to execute some rehabilitation to his reputation. Some scouts downgrade Smith because his body is really more guard-like than tackle-like, and say he's not worth stretching for.

In case you missed it are wondering what could possibly create this "disastrous impression," Smith showed up overweight, interviewed poorly (at best), and ultimately left the combine early and unexpectedly. So that's the not-insubstantial downside.

But he's got a world of talent and potential, he shares an agent with DeAngelo Hall, and he's a BEAST on the tackle eligible play.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

"So you're cutting your third round pick from last year and an undrafted free agent in Geisinger that Bugel really likes.
Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009"

What's your source for that? The source that says both Geisinger and Rhinehart have very little chance to play in this league is Bugel himself as touted from ESPN to NFL.com. He was scathing in his assessment of the OL and basically fingered his line as the source of the 2nd half's offensive collapse.

Essentially, by not drafting OL last year they put your franchise QB in a very risky position indeed!

Its time to bite the bullet and draft OT. Their needs are as follows: LT, C, DE, OLB.
Given the nature of Samuels injuries you cannot rely on having him for an entire season.

Its past time to start grooming his successor.


Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

The simple fact about this offseason was that the Skins were going to need to be very strategic and more than a bit lucky to fill all the holes that were/are likely to present themselves, both in the current offseason and during the upcoming regular season.

I've written before about how 15 or more of the top 30 Redskin players will change within 3 years. So far, we've seen 3 from that list go + Demetric Evans, who I didn't figure would be gone.

In essence, the Skins had plenty of baskets to fill. But they stuffed most of their eggs into just a few baskets. Dockery solved a problem and Hall kept another problem from happening. Albert upgraded our DL talent considerably, but DT was not a major problem. We're down 4 talented (if not always healthy) players from 2008 on the defense and the OL has only had 1 spot filled.

Much of the commentary on this board will be about how to use the #13 pick. Thing is, we're talking 1 guy and we have 5 slots to fill. Which means we need to be good, but also very lucky

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

We're down 4 talented (if not always healthy) players from 2008 on the defense and the OL has only had 1 spot filled.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2009 2:06 AM
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3 Name players, not talented players. One backup. They once were VERY talented but lets be honest, this ownership isn't cutting players that are talented. They may not resign them but they sure as hell don't cut them. If anything, they've reworked deals to keep guys here too long, Springs and Washington in particular.

I don't think out needs are as desperate as you feel. We need to draft a starter in the 1st round. Either a DE or OLB and whichever we don't take pick the other up in free agency after the draft when you can get a veteran on the cheap. Then build depth in the later rounds. There will be a lot of free agents availabe after the draft that can bridge the gap until younger guys are ready.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009 2:39 AM | Report abuse

What's your source for that? The source that says both Geisinger and Rhinehart have very little chance to play in this league is Bugel himself as touted from ESPN to NFL.com.
Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:52 AM
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From Redskins.com http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp

Bugel speaks positively about Rinehart. If he didn't like him he wouldn't have said a word. You don't draft a 3rd rounder to start. You draft him for 2-3 years down the road, which is what we did last year. Just like this year you're not going to get a starter in the 3rd round. You may not even get it in the 1st round. Especially someone like Smith. He is a guaranteed holdout because his agent is going to try to get him paid like the top lineman simply because he slipped. If he misses camp he won't help this year. Plain and simple. You can get a starter at OLB or DE in the first round, its an easier position to learn and excel at early.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009 2:47 AM | Report abuse

"From Redskins.com http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Ever_Loyal__Bugel_Discusses_State_Of_the_O_Line_32019.jsp

Bugel speaks positively about Rinehart. If he didn't like him he wouldn't have said a word. You don't draft a 3rd rounder to start."

Danny's propoganda site? You're kidding?

"Scott (DC): Is Chad Rinehart expected to start at RT for the Skins? They were high on him last year.

SportsNation Matt Mosley: Rinehart's not ready for prime time -- and that comes from his O-line coach"

The scathing report that denigrated Rhinehart and undrafted center (Terrell Suggs: "yeah you were depleted") Geisinger came behind closed doors but was reported here by "unnamed" but apparently verified sources. It was not very kind to Thomas, Rabach, and Jansen ... yet seemed fairly complimentary to Kendall.

Jermaine (Geneva , NY): Who or what was to blame for the collapse of the Redskins in the Second have of the season?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: The collapse of the O-line. You're going to get burned when you head into the season with aging starters such as Kendall, Randy Thomas and Jansen. I know Jansen was starting at first, but you know what I'm saying.

Here's what Bugel et al probably had to say about Campbell:

Mike(DC): Hey Matt. Whats your take on jason Cambell?

SportsNation Matt Mosley: I know the guy pretty well. Outstanding human being who was on the verge of becoming a Pro Bowler at one point last season. But he broke down when the O-line and running game broke down. I hate that the Redskins aren't showing any confidence in Campbell right now. They should offer him a long-term deal. He's the type of guy you should commit to. But the Redskins would rather throw money at players from other teams. If the Redskins can upgrade this O-line, Campbell has a chance to have a special season in '09.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

"I don't think out needs are as desperate as you feel. We need to draft a starter in the 1st round. Either a DE or OLB and whichever we don't take pick the other up in free agency after the draft when you can get a veteran on the cheap.
Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | March 12, 2009"

There is a dearth of linebackers, their talent is considered questionable and not worth wasting a 1st round pick. Better to wait until the later rounds.

Defensive end is another story with Orapko and a couple of the others. But they should all be gone by the 13th.

So, then what? Vinnie will likely trade down and then yes, you accumulate more choices even if you have to leverage last year's picks and you get a tackle, a center, a guard, a defensive end and a linebacker.

I think there is talent to be had in the later rounds that could be ready to start next year on the OL.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say next year's picks ...

The OL is in desperate straits, as reported by Joe Bugel.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 3:08 AM | Report abuse

3 Name players, not talented players. One backup. They once were VERY talented but lets be honest, this ownership isn't cutting players that are talented.

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster

Springs showed he was still a good player when healthy. Washington as well. Taylor didn't play well, and was never right. Evans was our best DE.

If you added up the number of plays for Washington, Springs, Taylor and Evans, it'd be a significant number. Somewhere around half. Less than you'd want from starters, a bit more than what you'd expect from important rotation players. It's serious playing time that needs to be filled.

Who is our 3rd CB? Smoot. Talent-wise, not close to Springs

Who is our OLB? Blades, not close to Washington

Who are our 2 DEs? As of now, Buzbee and Wilson. Not close to Taylor and Evans.

That's a lot of plays with a drop in talent.

That still doesn't address any of the OL spots, the risk that the young WRs don't progress a bunch, Rocky's knees, Santana's hammy, a kicker and a punter.

Last year, our starters were playoff quality. It was the holes due to lack of depth that hurt this team. 2009 doesn't look any different.

We'll need to be good in the rest of the offseason ... and be lucky ... to compete in 2009.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2009 4:15 AM | Report abuse

So, we would pick #20, #33, #34, #65, plus a 5th and 6th round pick.

Should be able to come out with a DE plus OL.

Posted by: periculum | March 11, 2009 11:56 PM
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giving up 1st(13), 3rd(77), 1st(2010 draft)
plus another lower round pick?
do you think getting lower 1st(20) and three 2nd rd picks justifies giving up two 1st and 3rd and lower rd pick(?)?
i think for vinny that might be enticing deal.
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and for JT....i knew it was a lopsided deal last year...only idiots will give up 2nd and 6th for 34yr old DE...but then they traded for would be 34yrs old QB for 3rd back in 2004...and then champ bailey AND 2ND for clinton portis....and sending 3rd for TJ Duckett....but then what's the point of having many picks when GM is danny&vinny.....

Posted by: imageClass | March 12, 2009 4:35 AM | Report abuse

...but then they traded for would be 34yrs old QB for 3rd back in 2004...and then champ bailey AND 2ND for clinton portis....and sending 3rd for TJ Duckett....but then what's the point of having many picks when GM is danny&vinny.....

Posted by: imageClass | March 12, 2009 4:35 AM

Dude, Danny and Vinny may be the two stooges, but these three trades were all by Joe Gibbs, Hall of Fame Coach. Put 'em all together and they spell: Larry, Moe, and Curly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Thanks I was about to say the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Are people up here serious with this talk about drafting Andre Smith? A guy who can't even show up to the combine and is sloppy fat and out of shape for his pro day workout? Really??? And you expect this guy to actually HELP the Redskins? If he's there with the 3rd rounder, I could see taking a flier on the guy, but you DON'T WASTE A 1ST ROUNDER ON A GUY LIKE SMITH!!!

This team has already rolled the dice by picking up Haynesworth at the low price of $100 million, but the 1st round is where the Skins have done a pretty good job over the course of this decade (in the rare instance in which they haven't traded it). It would be a shame to end that run by taking this turd.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

brown,

I said that yesterday, and once he gets paid he will be even more lazy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

greatone:"WAPO like the girlfriend who says she forgives you but everytime you have an argument she brings up stuff from 30 years ago."

Are you speaking from experience? Because if you are, you ought to marry that poor woman. She's been putting up with your junk for thirty years...


Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Glad you've got some good sense, Flounder. The same people clamoring for Smith are the ones that will blast Vinny for wasting that pick. Just because he plays a position of need, doesn't mean Smith will be a good pick.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Are you speaking from experience? Because if you are, you ought to marry that poor woman. She's been putting up with your junk for thirty years...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 6:59 AM

Dude, you know he's gotta be using a random analogy because there's no such thing as a woman who would put up with a man's stuff for 30 years without him putting a ring on her. That, sir, would be a myth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

periculum: "The two weakest positions on the line have been identified as left tackle and center. Casey Rabach had 3 guys drafted to replace him in Baltimore while he was there. He isn't considered a top center and does not do well against the large DT/NT types."

I've heard this before, maybe from periculum. Is the main source that one report attributed to Bugel? Any other confirmation?

Not saying it isn't valid, but in the blogosphere, stuff gets picked up and repeated and repeated until nobody knows whether it's true.

Looking at Rabach (and I don't see him in practice or have any game tapes), he seems quite competent. Most centers struggle against big aggressive nose tackles (why defenses employ them) but there are workarounds for that. I do know that Baltimore wanted Rabach to stay and that Bugel in the past has attributed significant improvement in the offensive line under Gibbs during his first year back with the team to Rabach's play.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Kendall should not even be considered. He had to take off at least one day of practice each week due to his arthritic knees and that affect continuity. It's better to get new blood in, especially since what we are talking about is a backup. Devin Clark and Chad Rhinehart need to show they belong at this level. So far, the team is acting like they don't, and if that is the case, they should play the draft that way. Let them trade down for multiple picks and scoop up some quality guards and centers. Of course, they could do that with confidence if they didn't need to fill holes at linebacker and defensive end. I think they could put Montgomery at end, and HB Blades in Washington's spot. I cannot believe that anything is more important that getting younger on the offensive line and this is the draft to do it in.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

samson,

Responding to periculum although fun sometimes is pointless, he throws out sh!t from all over the place. He has been called out several times for crap he's posted here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

I think they could put Montgomery at end, and HB Blades in Washington's spot. I cannot believe that anything is more important that getting younger on the offensive line and this is the draft to do it in.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 12, 2009 7:22 AM

I don't know why so many people think that Monty can play DE...dude is 330 pounds and slow. Unless we're switching to 3-4 between now and mini-camp, he's not going to play end. And Blades at SLB is a joke. Dude is tiny and would get eaten alive at that spot. For a few downs you can get away with playing him there, but he's a MLB or a WLB.

However, I will agree that the team needs to move on from Kendall. He is who we thought he was: a stop-gap option at LG until we could upgrade the position. We upgraded by getting Dock back and now it's time to back these O-lineman up with young guys who won't fall apart after Week 10.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Wood,
I cant say that I am sold on moving on from Kendall. If he is here its a great safety for backing up Randy if his surgery does not work out.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse


Can someone from the Washington Post please take the photo of TO and Jerry Jones off the Redskins page. Two people I think we all can not stand and every time I come to see any Redskin news have to see them. Old news, get rid of them.

Posted by: candyangle

Amen to that!!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 12, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"Andre the unpredictable wild man - kicked off the team for the Sugar Bowl, showing up and then disappearing from the combine.

Posted by: AntonChigurh "


WOW

dude, you believe EVERYTHING the media feeds you don't you? Seems like you gobble it up. You forget that he had no problems the other 20-however years of his life.

OMG he left da kombine erly!! Who cares? Did he fudge a block? Did he let his QB get a broken leg? The Combine is completely worthless anyway. I don't blame him for leaving early, and that's not even mentioning that he WAS DONE with everything he had to do.

I also laugh at the "Oh man, he's fat." Majority of offensive and defensive linemen in the NFL are IN BAD HEALTH. That's a fact.

Andre Smith would be a steal at 13.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Wood,
I cant say that I am sold on moving on from Kendall. If he is here its a great safety for backing up Randy if his surgery does not work out.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 8:10 AM

If he was healthy I'd be on board with that, but I figure it's all even if you get a young alternative who can practice all week and has a future here vs. resigning the 36 year-old vet who sits in the ice tub 4 days a week trying to rally up on Sundays.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

From PFT

"Haynesworth recently claimed that the meeting between agent Chad Speck and Snyder at the Scouting Combine focused exclusively on Kelly. Apparently, the agent and the team think that Kelly can be the next Andre Johnson. (It’s unknown whether they mean the Andre Johnson who plays football for the Houston Texans, or the one who pumps gas in South Carolina.)"

Well, I hope it's the one from the Texans...considering he's the best WR in the game, he's just stuck on a mediocre team and gets no pub.

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

brown/flound, I'm still thinking the team should draft A.Smith. Mayock was on NFL Network last night, and while he did acknowledge that Smith should have been in better shape, he stated he expects smith to go in the top 10. Yeah, he's a risk, yeah JZ/Buges needs to IMMEDIATLY shove their foot up his arse, and get him in shape, but I think the guy can lock down on the right side.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I am just thinking for this year brown. If Rien-Heart cant get it together by the end of the year we need to draft a new guard But If we can go into the year with the depth chart being,
RG Dock
LG Randy
1st Backup PK
2nd Backup Rien

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

(repost, sorry--but this is a really good idea)

Sign out in front of Moe's house:

SIGN KEN LUCAS or DRE BLY
Do It Now!!!!!!!

The secondary: Bly/Lucas and Smoot, Hall, Horton, Landry--not bad either way.

Trade Carlos Rogers and 2010's 1st round pick: we'll get a 2nd and 3rd rounder this year.

Plus: you know like I do, the FO will ignore Rogers and let some other team slurp him up without a fight--so let's get some value now before he's gone.

That's four picks in the top rounds of the draft, people.

We could draft a t, de, slb, c from rounds 1-3.

We could take Curry or Orakpo or Oher or Smith at 13 and still have three top picks to satisfy needs.

We could cut Rabach--save bucks, too-- and start, say, Alex Mack or Antione Caldwell or Unger at center.

With the 4th round pick, we bring in a young cb or wlb.

This is a no brainer.

And Moe has no brain.

Sorry for the repost--and don't complain as I'm the wrong wigga to !uck with :)))

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

dude, you believe EVERYTHING the media feeds you don't you? Seems like you gobble it up. You forget that he had no problems the other 20-however years of his life.

OMG he left da kombine erly!! Who cares? Did he fudge a block? Did he let his QB get a broken leg? The Combine is completely worthless anyway. I don't blame him for leaving early, and that's not even mentioning that he WAS DONE with everything he had to do.


I also laugh at the "Oh man, he's fat." Majority of offensive and defensive linemen in the NFL are IN BAD HEALTH. That's a fact.

Andre Smith would be a steal at 13.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 8:18 AM

You just lost the little credibility you may have had: we HAVE to believe what the media tells us because NONE of us is close enough to the league to get the inside info first hand. And unless Andre Smith boinked some sportswriter's wife, I doubt there would be an agenda against him.

And you give NO weight whatsoever to character! If you had a job interview lined up and you showed up in shorts and flip-flops and went and took a pee on the ladies room door, you would be considered a highly risky hire regardless of what is on your resume. EVERY employer has to look at the ENTIRE picture, not just football teams.

And I'm sure the guys who make a living evaluating talent can tell the difference between a lineman who has added bulk to meet a playing weight requirement and a guy who is flabby and out of shape.

You need to get a grip. Saying that Andre Smith at 13 is a steal is ridiculous. So would Maurice Clarett...doesn't mean you have to pick 'em.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

From SI.COM

Andre Smith worked out for scouts in Alabama. He was not impressive in any physical area and may have worked out too soon to prove to scouts and executives that he has the work habits to be a top-10 pick. He had consistently bad 40 times, which are easy to overlook, but only benched 225 pounds 19 times.

If this is true we need to pass on this guy. Hell I can bench 225 more than 19 times.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 12, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

In no way, shape, or form does a guy's combine and pro-day workouts deter me from drafting him when he was the consensus #1 player at his position during his college tenure. If he put up 19 reps in his pro-day, that means he was putting up 19 reps when he swallowing DEs, DTs, and LBs in the SEC. If he's not one of the fastest tackles in his 40, that's because the guy's 330 freaking pounds. Fat? For a lineman? That's what we're basing this on?

Dude's magically slipping to us. It would be disastrous for the Redskins to avoid him because of marginal "red flags". Especially when you have one of the best offensive line coaches and motivators in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

jm, we're counting on you to get his azz into shape.....practice some tough love on him..we need him benching 315 19 times by training camp.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

psps23 I agree that the 40 times really doesn't mean anything for a OL. However, for the guy to be 110 lbs heavier than me and not be able to bench press 225 more times than me is not good at all.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 12, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Here are our current 13 O-Linemen and there ages.

67 Ethan Albright C 37
63 Will Montgomery C 26
61 Casey Rabach C 31
77 Randy Thomas G 33
78 D'Anthony Batiste OL 26
74 Stephon Heyer OL 25
75 Chad Rinehart OL 23
62 Devin Clark OT 22
76 Jon Jansen OT 33
-- Rueben Riley OT 24
60 Chris Samuels OT 31
-- Derrick Dockery OG 28
-- Isaiah Ross OG 27

Out of this group here is who I think will start.

LT Samuels
LG Dockery
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT Heyer or 13th pick

Out of that list guys who will have to be on the team because of salary or job.

Jansen
Albright he has to be active for every game.
Rinehart should be given a chance this year if still nothing then he goes.

Thats 8 for sure linemen on the team and maybe a 13th pick.

I'm not sure how many linemen dress for each game but, it can't be more then 9-10.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

In no way, shape, or form does a guy's combine and pro-day workouts deter me from drafting him when he was the consensus #1 player at his position during his college tenure.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 8:34 AM

I'm not saying don't draft him...I'm just saying don't draft him at #13. With the kind of question marks surrounding him, you can't afford to blow the one high pick you have in this draft. It would be catastrophic to miss on this pick after what happened last year.

Having said that, if he's on the board in Round 3 go for it. Or if the team trades down and he's there the back half of Round 2 I could live with it more than I could the Davis pick last year. But reaching on a guy just because he plays at a spot of need is counterproductive.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

psps23
And when we do draft him he does not play all season because he can't handle anything and looks like a bust then people will be ripping him as much as we do Kelly/Thomas/Davis because we saw the flaw in the workout.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

al, thats a good point, like I said yesterday, I'm really conflicted on this one. I think he's a tremendous talent, but the team needs someone who can step in day 1 and man the RT spot.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,
I dont know for sure but I think you should go in with 10 and last year during Baltimore we went in with too few and got killed for it.

In Madden they require a min of 10 4T, 4G, 2C. Though that is Madden it makes sense to me.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

Are we talking 10 dress for each game or 10 total on the team.

There is a limit to the amount of players you can dress each game, the coach has to figure out where he needs more bodies.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

From SI.COM

Andre Smith worked out for scouts in Alabama. He was not impressive in any physical area and may have worked out too soon to prove to scouts and executives that he has the work habits to be a top-10 pick. He had consistently bad 40 times, which are easy to overlook, but only benched 225 pounds 19 times.

If this is true we need to pass on this guy. Hell I can bench 225 more than 19 times.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 12, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse


First off, no you can't. Second you are a tool.

Posted by: Pleepleus | March 12, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg,

I agree if we don't think a first draft pick can go by, lets be nice and say game 6, then I say we trade back give Heyer the starting job and pick up someone later.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Given the nature of Samuels injuries you cannot rely on having him for an entire season.

Its past time to start grooming his successor.

Posted by: periculum | March 12, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Thnk you, peri.

I've been up here saying that for weeks. Samuels can still ball, but I don't trust him to make it through a whole season anymore.

IF Smith is at 13, we've got to grab him. I've read the pro-day reports. Smith sucked on the sprints and he sucked on the bench press, BUT the reports also indicate he was much more impressive at the POSITIONAL DRILLS.

I don't give a rats snout how long Smith can hold his breath underwater or whether he can stand on one leg and chew gum. I don't imagine many scenarios where he'll have to do a 40-yard dash in a game.

I CARE ABOUT HIS ABILITY TO PLAY LEFT TACKLE.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

al, JZ also needs to sit down with Buges, and tell him in no uncertain terms are rookies, and young players NOT TO play. The crap about Buges sticking with the vets, when Jansen was getting run by like a turnstile made me cringe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

Not to argue, but if Andre Smith was so bad, why was he so good at 'Bama where he and Antoine Caldwell anchored what was a very strong offensive line.

I watched more than a couple of Bama games, and Smith crushed SEC quality de's and dt's with reckless abandon.

I think dude is just a football player and the scouts/combine/media be damned.

For every A Smith who goes flaky at the combine there are tons of dudes who do all the right things and flunk out once the games get started, Robert Gallery being one of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Kendall is old, and physically he's older than he is chronologically, but he was perhaps the best player on a miserable line last season. With Dockery back in the fold ( himself a false start and holding machine) Kendall should take the money and move to the right side. Randy Thomas can't stay healthy. Thomas should limp his way into retirement while he can still do that much. Maybe with a few joint replacement's he'll be able to live a relatively pain free life. And since Reinhardt (though reported as the second coming in training amp last season) apparently is a bust, the team should move Jansen to the interior and have him serve as the back-up guard. He doesn't have the mobility or lower body strength to cover the edge any longer, but a move to the inside would compensate for that reduced athleticism and he could rely more on his intelligence when pressed into service.

Posted by: tkoho | March 12, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Bean,
I do agree Bugs could go to the HOF as a line coach if they opened it up to position coaches but that has been his Achilles heal.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Despite his poor showing Mayock still thinks he is going before 13, and thinks that the top 4 tackles will be gone by the time we pick. That leaves us one of the linebackers from USC. We need to pick up a vet to plug in on the line this year and pick some young OL guys in the later rounds.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should give JJ, Randy a shot for one year as active line/Coaching Assistant and see if Buges can teach either of them how to become a good line coach. Both guys are smart enough to do the job if the learned how to teach.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If this is true we need to pass on this guy. Hell I can bench 225 more than 19 times.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 12, 2009 8:33 AM

I can't personally bench 225 more than 19 times but I CAN bench 22.5 more than 190 times, so don't overlook me entirely.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Having said that, if he's on the board in Round 3 go for it. Or if the team trades down and he's there the back half of Round 2 I could live with it more than I could the Davis pick last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 12, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Mark my words. There is NO WAY Smith falls out of the first round.

Randy Moss had a rap sheet, didn't even play a premium position, got kicked out of school and STILL got drafted at #21.

Smith balled out his entire college career, plays a premium position and was projected a number 1 overall at one point.

All this hoopla about him falling out of the first round is bogus. When it comes down to it, the football people know he can play and someone (I hope it is us) is gonna snatch him up...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Kendall stay on as a backup. If he thinks he can go elsewhere to be a starter but say "I need Wednesdays off (in addition to the Mondays we get off anyway) to rest my knees", he's crazy. As a reserve, he wouldn't see much Sunday action until needed so his knees would be rested, and the guy does still have some quality play left in him. I just don't want him back as a starter.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 12, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

no thanks on the USC lb'ers. they don't play all 3 downs in college, what makes people think they'll be able to do that in the pro's.

SI had a mock draft in their latest issue, which had us picking Brian Cushing, which in turn, made me throw up in my mouth a little....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I actually think he will be gone before we pick, I doubt Jacksonville who needs a LT would let him slip past them.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

For every A Smith who goes flaky at the combine there are tons of dudes who do all the right things and flunk out once the games get started, Robert Gallery being one of them.


Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Too true.

And Gallery was one of those guys whose stock sky-rocketed b/c of his combine performance. He ran all the right sprints and jumped through all the right obstacle courses...problem was that he COULDN'T PLAY!

Same goes for Vernon Gholston last year...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

flound, is Tra Thomas going to play RT for J-ville?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

If we could drop back a couple of spots and Smith is there than I say pick him. Not at 13. No way!

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | March 12, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

If we don't think we can get an instant impact player at 13 we may need to trade back and pick up some of the later OL talent in the draft. Any thoughts?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

About That Andre Smith Thing

http://blog.redskins.com/

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 12, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Over on the Skins Official Blog they mention Smith idolizing Samuels (they both went to 'Bama). I think he's worth the risk considering he'll be likely to fall in line with Samuels working for Bugel. The kid dominated in the SEC, which shouldn't get overlooked. Seems he's just hit a little rough patch.

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

If Smith falls to 13, and the other tackles are taken ahead of him, I can see it lighting a fire under the kid's big tubby rear-end.

I think he thinks he's still the cat's pajamas in the draft, and when teams pass on him he's gonna pull a Randy Moss and vow to make everyone pay...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I just heard Dennis Green talking about the UFL.

Man, I wish we had a team a team this year (in the DM, F the V). I would def go to the games......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

If we don't think we can get an instant impact player at 13 we may need to trade back and pick up some of the later OL talent in the draft. Any thoughts?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

If we can't get one of the 4 Ts at 13, I say we trade back and then sign Feydor Emilianenko as our strong-side linebacker...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Check this out!!
Jason Campbell and Chris Cooley, ACTING!

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/03/09/monday-march-9-jason-campbell-and-chris-cooley-acting/

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 12, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

p1funk I agree with that. He would have 100 tackles.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Agree with Greg on the USC LBers and conflicted on A Smith. Still think best option is to trade back if at all possible and get an OL late 1st and LB in 2nd.

Only way I would sign A. Smith at 13 is with an incentive laden contract.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 12, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

If we don't think we can get an instant impact player at 13 we may need to trade back and pick up some of the later OL talent in the draft. Any thoughts?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:18 AM |

That would be fine problem is you can't just trade back because you want to, you need a team that wants to trade up.

trading back from 13 is normally not that easy to do.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

p1funk I agree with that. He would have 100 tackles.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

He is the closest thing that humans have to the Terminator.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

flounder, this is from yesterday, but I think it jibes well with your post:

peri, ya gotta keep track of the number of OL on hand before adding this year's entire draft class.
Samuels
Dockery
Rabach
Thomas
Jansen
Heyer
Rinehart
#13 Pick
That's 8 out of 10

D'Anthony Batiste
Devin Clark
Will Montgomery
Ruben Riley
Isaiah Ross
--justaguys under contract (which means Buges has laid hands on them -- and I say that like it's a good thing)

Justin Geisinger
Pete Kendall
That Guy from AZ that we either did or didn't talk to
3rd Round Pick
5th Round Pick
7th Round Pick
--options you have to consider

Most teams have 10 OL, excluding practice squad. I presume that some of the justguys would be the practice squad fodder, so you're definitely going to throw away someone who's been in the program for at least this offseason if you spend a draft pick on the OL.

I could possibly see one more OL drafted, if it happens the 'best player available' algorithm pops someone to the head of the class. But it's a crowd already. If #13 goes to some other position, I would not be shocked if no OL are drafted. They have youth under contract. I don't know if they have quality youth, but then again why would you think we would get quality youth, on the second day, with vinnie in charge?

Posted by: daggar | March 11, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | March 12, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

flound, is Tra Thomas going to play RT for J-ville?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:15 AM |

Greg,

Not sure but he has 2 years max left in him, they could play Smith at RT until Thomas is gone.

Thomas could also break down this year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

daggar,

Exactly you can't have 15 O-Linemen they wouldn't be able to drass for games anyway.

We have 4 picks if we stick with those 1OL, 1DE, 1LB or 2 or maybe a CB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Fedor Emilianenko
6ft.
230lbs.
Fighting Style: Sambo/Judo/Boxing

Sounds like all the right specs for a strong-side linebacker to me!

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins need a guy to drop, be it smith, or one of the qb's, along with a team in the 20's to fall in love with the dropping player. We need guys having pro-days coming up to blow the doors off with their workouts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Fedor Emilianenko
6ft.
230lbs.
Fighting Style: Sambo/Judo/Boxing

Sounds like all the right specs for a strong-side linebacker to me!

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:38 AM |

The guy is a beast but we need to see how fast he is, I'm sure he has not done much sprinting in his life.

The only sprinting I can imagine, is chasing a dude down a kicking his a$$.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Why don't teams look to Japan for O Linemen? I say pay 5 of the top Sumo Wrestlers and have them take care of business. The only off field distractions would be sushi, and the possible suffocation of their wives via fat roll.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

4th,

The UFL is going to have 4 coaches all of whom will be ex-NFL HC's supposedly. I don't see the DMV getting a team though most the new leagues seemingly ignore the region in spite of the large number of talent coming from the Norfolk area and the rabidity of DC/Balt/Philly football fans.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Fedor is probably painfully slow. He has good cardio though. So he wouldn't wear down. He could play against the run well. Throw in a guillotine choke or an arm bar.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

"We need guys having pro-days coming up to blow the doors off with their workouts..."

I don't know if that's gonna happen, this seems like the weakest draft in a long while. No sexy picks for teams to fall in love with. Solid linemen though, which is good for us.

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The guy is a beast but we need to see how fast he is, I'm sure he has not done much sprinting in his life.

The only sprinting I can imagine, is chasing a dude down a kicking his a$$.


Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Chasing someone down and kicking butt...that sounds like the job description of a linebacker.

Judo/sambo means he'd be great at shedding blockers.

Boxing means he can take a beating and keep going.

He was in the Russian military which means he can fall in line and take orders.

He'd sell jerseys like hotcakes.

Friends...I think we are onto something big...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper Jr. ranks the top linebackers in the 2009 NFL Draft

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3964570&categoryid=2459789

Posted by: rcjordan44 | March 12, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

gt, lots of pro-days left for someone to impress, Moreno, Stafford, does Heyward-Bey have a workout scheduled??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Why don't teams look to Japan for O Linemen? I say pay 5 of the top Sumo Wrestlers and have them take care of business. The only off field distractions would be sushi, and the possible suffocation of their wives via fat roll.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I've often wondered that myself.

Why don't teams go "Necessary Roughness" and get some sumo dude at NT? They are incredibly strong and their bull-rush technique is exquisite.

After all if Sam Adams and Tony "The Stomach" Siraguasa could get the job done, I can't imagine a sumo dude doing much worse...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The only off field distractions would be ... the possible suffocation of their wives via fat roll.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:45 AM

You just described Andre Smith's pro day. From PFT: "“They say he was fat and the flab was all over the place,” the source said. “What the f–k did they expect? A body builder’s physique? Smith is a fat guy. He has always been a fat guy. That’s his genetics. It’s never going to change."

And there's even a picture on PFT with one of his manboobs flopping in the breeze. It isn't pretty.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

gt, lots of pro-days left for someone to impress, Moreno, Stafford, does Heyward-Bey have a workout scheduled??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:51 AM

Not anymore. He had his yesterday.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins need a guy to drop, be it smith, or one of the qb's, along with a team in the 20's to fall in love with the dropping player. We need guys having pro-days coming up to blow the doors off with their workouts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Well, according to all the reports Smith is going to drop to the 3rd round, so we should be feeling pretty good at #13...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

And there's even a picture on PFT with one of his manboobs flopping in the breeze. It isn't pretty.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 9:52 AM |


Yeah no O linemen are built like body builders. They are large framed dudes with chub. Strong as oxen, but not cut. I saw him run the 40 with his boobs bouncing all about. I would still love to have him. Samuels would whoop him into shape. I don't think he will be there at 13.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

talent_ealuator

'...I can't personally bench 225 more than 19 times but I CAN bench 22.5 more than 190 times, so don't overlook me entirely....'


(INSERT 80s style laugh track audio before seque to commercial featuring the loopy freecreditreport.com band playing it's lastest little ditty as the grumpy grandma looks on disapprovingly.)

And, now, back to our irregular programming/complaining.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Heyward-Bey is a beast. He was waaayyy under-utilized at Maryland.

For being an "offensive guru", Ralph Friedgen didn't figure out how to really showcase him.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Friedgen is an offensive guru - more like an offensive buddha

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

And there's even a picture on PFT with one of his manboobs flopping in the breeze. It isn't pretty.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 9:52 AM |

I think that article is right on regarding all the negative talk about Smith.

Teams who want Smith to fall to them later in the round are going to say negative things or blow things out of proportion to hurt his stock, hoping he will fall to them...

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Friedgen is an offensive guru - more like an offensive buddha

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I know, that's why i put it in quotation marks.

Speaking of moobs flopping in the breeze, Fridge needs to figure something out b/c I genuinely fear for the man's health.

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

How about some news. This thing need to be updated. I want to see news of us adding quality veteran help on the cheap. Cato June, Orlando Pace or Khalif Barnes. Come on Vinny DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Heyward-Bey have a workout scheduled??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 9:51 AM

It was yesterday. He maybe shot himself up as the #2 WR because of his quick feet which tells Mike Mayok he will be able to break off in his routes concisely, which is the hardest development from college to the pros.

See Thomas, Devin as a prime example not being able to run routes.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

While I have no opinion on Andre Smith, the 40 time for an OL is a joke.
How fast is his 10 yard time?
How fat can he take two steps backward?
In short, is he explosive?

The bench press is a worrisome sign, though. It's natural to want to take some time off after a long season, but the smart cookies get into a pre-combine training program -- because you can make more money that way.
He clearly has had problems with his representation - but now he has to prove that it's not that he's immature, just that he got bad advice.
Hope he interviews well. I'd like someone ahead of us to take the risk of drafting him, in all honesty.

Posted by: daggar | March 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

While I have no opinion on Andre Smith, the 40 time for an OL is a joke.
How fast is his 10 yard time?
How fat can he take two steps backward?
In short, is he explosive?

Posted by: daggar | March 12, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

They said he looked more impressive and athletic in the positional drills - which is what matters more than a 40time or a bench press

Posted by: p1funk | March 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Friedgen is an offensive guru - more like an offensive buddha

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 12, 2009 10:05 AM

If Fridge is an offensive guru then sports-guru is a sports guru.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

No to Cato June
No to Kaliff Barnes
No to Orlando Pace


Just think if Vinny had signed these guys. Everyone would be all over him.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

4th, if you don't like those guys, who would you want? Or are you against any free agent pick ups at this point and go with who we got and the draft?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Is anyone up north appreciating Eric Maynor and his athletic VCU Rams led by future coaching legend Anthony Grant.They have brought big time basketball down here to Richmond for the first time since University of Richmond went to the sweet sixteen in the 80's.They are a little on the svelte side down low,but look out they are going to put on a show.

Posted by: mark65"

and anthony Grant is the next UGA basketball coach!!! (I hope)

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying don't draft him...I'm just saying don't draft him at #13. With the kind of question marks surrounding him, you can't afford to blow the one high pick you have in this draft. It would be catastrophic to miss on this pick after what happened last year.

Having said that, if he's on the board in Round 3 go for it. Or if the team trades down and he's there the back half of Round 2 I could live with it more than I could the Davis pick last year. But reaching on a guy just because he plays at a spot of need is counterproductive.

Posted by: brownwood26 "


If there was no such thing as the stupid combine, this guy would be a top 2 or 3 pick EASY. He got that way by PLAYING FOOTBALL. When he is drafted, he is drafted to PLAY FOOTBALL.

If this guy slips to the third freaking round, wow.

and your comparison of a Joe Schmoe peeing on a bathroom floor at a job interview is laughable. The dude finished everything he had to do, but he apparently didn't sign his release paper to let the big bad combine management allow him to leave. OH NOZ. Key thing is, he did everything he had to do.


and with the people that call him fat :

"This season, there were more than 600 players — about 20 percent of the league — in triple donuts. Even with 6-foot plus heights, their Body Mass Index (BMI) levels are all in the range of grade 2 obesity, one step below what's called morbid obesity."

http://blog.80percentmental.com/2009/02/nfl-linemen-trade-health-for-super-bowl.html


no **** he's fat

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm with 4th. No to Pace, Barnes & June.

We have plenty of older and younger bodies on the roster at Oline, we still have FAs like Kendall and Fabini out there. Let's see how the draft unfolds before we sign any FA OLine.

June doesn't fit. Look into Derrick Brooks. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Brooks & Blades rather than just Blades.

Are the Rams shopping Tory Holt? If so, that sux because we can not afford to buy him with draft picks. If Holt is released though, we HAVE to pick him up.

The draft will be entertaining to say the least. I think Buges can work an A.Smith into a pro bowl LT... if Buges decided to stay a few more seasons.

Vinny does not shy away from players with red flags. He watches the game tape and A.Smith has some badA$$ game tape. If he's at #13, Vinny WILL take him.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

June doesn't fit. Look into Derrick Brooks. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Brooks & Blades rather than just Blades.
Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I would take Brooks too. He seems to always get picks, and he is a sound tackler. I am down with that.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

If Bugel and Samuels sign off on drafting Andre Smith, that's good enough for me.

Also, I can't help thinking that if this same Andre Smith was having the same pre-draft experience 10 years ago, nobody would bat an eye. He's the same guy he was when he was dominant during games - a chubby mauler with very good feet.

I think the pre-draft prep has gotten ridiculous over the past decade. Especially when an elite LT who started from day 1 as a freshman at Alabama gets mocked for his physique even though he's dropped 20 pounds since the season and he can't run 40 yards fast enough enough though he'll rarely have to run more than 5 yards in a game.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | March 12, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

FedorEm,

Kalif BArnes has knee problems. 2 major knee surgeries in like 3 years. That is why the Raiders didn't sign him at the end of the day. Because they weren't sure about him.

Pace has mised like 35% of total games over the past 3/4 years. That dosen't make sense for us.

Cato June is too small and has become a system LB who has only operated out of a the Tampa-2 defense (Indy and Tampa). While he was outstanding at Michigan n college, he hasn't proved himself outside of the one NFL system.

I am against signing anyone over 28 at this point, save for Kendall.

We do not need anymore gaurds. I thought we already had a back up G/C type. What is Fabini's status? Move him back to Tackle.

Start Heyer. Do not draft OLine with the 13th pick. Go for impact. Cushing.

Draft Billy Malone for our Future QB.

Resign MWash as a stop gap IF we do not draft a LB at #13. And look for one more journeyman LB.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yep, Andre Smith is the one. He'll fall to us, we'll snatch him up, and he'll be starting from day one. Portis will be having a field day running behind this o-line, and it will look like 6-2 all over again, only this time our tackles won't fall apart after half the season.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I put Brooks in the same categorey as June. Brooks has played in ONE system his whole professional carrer.

You can't teach an old dog new tricks.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I am more interested in knowing if he was gasping after the 40 how is the endurance.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"If Bugel and Samuels sign off on drafting Andre Smith, that's good enough for me..."
Posted by: jesuisunpizza | March 12, 2009 11:06 AM

Same here.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

'...It is important to owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato to have the team's high-profile players involved in the program at the complex to build "team chemistry"..."


So the same FO that brings in tons of high-priced FA's every other year feels a need to build 'chemistry'?

Wow.

Better question: what is going on with the team where there is a need to force and create relationships?

Is there a divided locker room where the superior defensive squad players look askance at an offense that doesn't score or capitalize on consecutive three and outs and short fields given to it?

That seems like a good answer. And maybe, then, the 'big splashy move' should've been on the offensive side of the ball, as presently, the redskin defense carries the offense--perhaps that's why there's a 'chemistry' problem to be solved in the 1st place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

With it becoming increasingly obvious that the Broncos would trade Jay Cutler given the right deal, the 'Skins may be in a position to once again make a mega trade with the team that gave them Clinton Portis only a few years ago. The 'Skins could offer their 1st and 4th round picks this year in exchange for Cutler and the Bronco's 2nd rounder. This would provide the 'Skins much-needed talent and stability at the QB position that the inconsistent JC so far has not proven he possesses. Further, Cutler would be inherently more valuable than any prospect that would be available to the 'Skins at the 13th overall draft position. With 2nd and 3rd round picks, the 'Skins would still be positioned to adress their O and D-line issues. What do you think?

Posted by: spyder7 | March 12, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

PSP - It was more Zorn's fault for not adapting than 'The Tackles'. If you want to blame the tackles, then you really have to blame Zorn for not reinserting Heyer....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

spyder=guzu

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Pretty good insight 4th. I think we should do like the Giants have been doing since 04 and draft O and D linemen and get them strong for years to come. Teams with beast lines always perenially compete. We need to get there. Games are won and lost on the lines. I am excited about this season and the upcoming draft.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I was just about to type the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Why would we want Cutler? Not even Denver wants him.

No to Cutler.

MistaMoe - The Redskins have one of the, if not THE highest, participation off the offseason workout program.

We already have our offense set for the most part. We are just waiting for the Offense to Mature. The Redskins are addressing their needs. Pass Rush, TOs, such as.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Lets not do the JC thing today PLEASE

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"I put Brooks in the same categorey as June. Brooks has played in ONE system his whole professional carrer.
You can't teach an old dog new tricks.....
Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:14 AM |"

4th, We're talking Derrick Brooks AND we're talking Greg Blache, disciplined, sound, redskins match.

No matter if we go on another FA signing rampage, we will walk out of the draft with an OT & LB, guaranteed.

FA's we could chase: Brooks, Bly, McAllister, Crowell... but none of them Linemen.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Mista,

Who is this big splash on offense you speak of, name him please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think we should do like the Giants have been doing since 04 and draft O and D linemen and get them strong for years to come. Teams with beast lines always perenially compete. We need to get there. Games are won and lost on the lines. I am excited about this season and the upcoming draft.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 11:22 AM

Agreed. We had some missteps in the past, so at the moment the skins have to overpay because of those past mistakes. But atleast they are trying. I like our chances this year. Especially if Plaxico dosen't come back. Ward already signed with TB.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Any insider info on Devin Thomas working out with Campbell? Malcolm Kelly's health? Fred Davis learning the playbook?

Those are the guys that could turn our team from good to great. 10 receiving TDs between the three of them (plus 7 from moss/randle el & 5 from cooley/sellers/portis) and
1. we are several games over 500 with our great D and respectable running game
2. our games would be more fun to watch
3. campbell has a shot at the probowl (if he keeps his INTs

Give us Oher/A. Smith or Orakpo/T. Jackson at #13

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | March 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Whats up with Crowell, why has no one signed him yet.

I would pick up one of the recently released CB if we could get them for one year on the cheap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Lets not do the JC thing today PLEASE

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:25 AM"

Amen

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Who says this blog isn't ahead of the curve?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/95472-patriots-in-taylors-future?cnn=yes

Of course, I tossed out that possibility right here on this blog -- over a month ago -- well before Taylor was even let go.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 12, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If we had to stay at 13 and all the T are gone, Orapko will definatley be gone, I like Jackson dude is huge can play the run and get after the QB.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Didn't some dumba$$ post up here last night that JT signed with the Phins.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

4th, We're talking Derrick Brooks AND we're talking Greg Blache, disciplined, sound, redskins match.

No matter if we go on another FA signing rampage, we will walk out of the draft with an OT & LB, guaranteed.

FA's we could chase: Brooks, Bly, McAllister, Crowell... but none of them Linemen.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:26 AM

He could work, but he will be in his 15th season and he only plans on playing one more.

We are not signing anymore CBs, especially high profile ones.

I can see us signing Crowell. He may not sign until after the draft, though. No rush. Teams are still weighing their possibilities.

No to Oher.
No to Orakpo.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Jackson is ideal DE size for the skins. He'd be like a young P. Daniels.

["That son of a b#@$th JT.. Goes back home and Parcells gets our #2 pick and JT back. Good job Vinny, not trying to trade Taylor back to Miami...Goes to show you how much of bad football guy Vinny is.

JP-Phins fan “Jason has already agreed to terms with Miami
at 2 years 2 million. This makes sense as Taylor’s focus
is on his family and the money is secondary. He is not the
same player he was in 2006 but being in Miami will allow
him to work out in the off season and be near his family.
Posted by: Tyler84101 | March 11, 2009 5:40 PM "]

~Don't know what's going on?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

we should look at Ken Lucas if we can get him on the cheap

dude is a player and would be a darn good 3rd/4th corner

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I know whats going on Tyler is a A$$hat.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If it doesn't require 40 speed or a chiseled physique to play LT, then what does it require?

Long arms? Big hands? Splay feet? A colossal butt?

SO what drills should they have for road graders at the combine?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Man, I wish we had a team a team this year (in the DM, F the V). I would def go to the games......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 9:28 AM

F the V? No, f that, f YOU!!!


What the f*&% was that, 4th? You got a problem with Virginia?

Land of Lovers, dude. Do not hate.

You must be from Maryland (PG County) or DC. Only DC and Maryland people hate on Virginia.

It must be the conditions most Maryland and DC people had to grow up under...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

flounder

'...Who is this big splash on offense you speak of, name him please...'

It could've been Jake Grove.

The team could've cut Rabach and added a young center to the o-line.

This could've been a simple n' splashy move.

The point of the last post, btw, wasn't about a move, but rather the FO's percieved 'chemistry' issue--the desire for which was strong enough to cause them to part ways with a player who cost them two picks.

What's your take on that?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

road grading...

flound, 13 is way too early for Tyson Jackson.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Red,

I'm from Maryland and work in VA, my only problem with VA is people can't drive.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

HaHa DMV.

I was just saying that because it would be harder for me to go o the games if they placed a team in VA.

My apologies. shout out to the V. VA VA, whew!

We cool now?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A center no one has ever heard of is not splashy, and would not make the offesne any better.

I am unaware of a chemistry issue on this team, AH is new so of course they want him in early to build a chemistry with his new teamates.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I TOO LIKE JACKSON.

But 13 might be a reach. But he is the ideal DE for the 4-3 Blatche likes to run. But hey, its all abut what the board tells you. Maybe he is ranked in that area and the skins are making sure he dosen't get too much coverage.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

'skins don't need any more corners right now...

They have Hall, Rogers, and Smoot.

Rogers and Hall are the starting CBs with Smoot in the slot - why chip away at the cap when you don't have to?

Tryon is the 4th CB, he was a 4th round selection, no? Don't you have to see what you got with Tryon?

No more CB and safeties. They have three safties and 5 CBs they will most likely carry on the 53 man roster. Why would they sign Lucas?

He may be better than Tryon - now, but Tryon is only in year two. Give the guy a chance.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Ken Lucas got knocked the **** out by Steve Smith.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

flound, 13 is way too early for Tyson Jackson.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 11:43 AM |

That may be true but if all the T's are gone and so is Orapko and Raji. The only other smart choice if you can't trade back is Cushing and you seemed to not like that to much.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

truth

'...we should look at Ken Lucas if we can get him on the cheap...'

Makes sense to this blogga.

Rogers then becomes trade bait.

Rogers and a pick would get us two solid picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Tryon is the 4th CB, he was a 4th round selection, no? Don't you have to see what you got with Tryon?"
Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 11:50 AM

Red,
That's what scares me about our nickle & dime packages. Tryon's coverage! I'll wait til preseason before I say anything dumb.

DraftTeks latest draft has us selecting a CB in round1.

I like Draft Tek though because of their online simulator. You can manipulate the draft by adding potential trades of draft picks. Pretty cool.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

flound, what you've suggested is the perfect storm of the worst case scenario for this team.

Yeah, I don't know what to do if that plays out....maybe you have to reach for a T, and take Britton, or Beatty?? I don't know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Malcom Jenkins could be our saving grace come #13 in this years draft. If he falls, we could entice a team to trade up for him.

Check this draft simulation out. "What-if: Atlanta trades #24 ande #55 to Washington for #13 overall - targeting CB Malcolm Jenkins.."

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - completely disagree with the Ken Lucas idea. You can't just pick him up and trade Carlos Rogers. First off, the new signing bonus, coupled with the Rogers cap hit would make the process impossible. Second, there is such a thing as chemistry/continuity on a team. It doesn't make sense to just randomly plug one player in and shuffle one out when you don't need to do that. We know Rogers can play in our system/get along with our coaches/be a good locker room guy. He showed pro-bowl potential the first half of last season. I admit, he just doesn't have the hands to be an elite CB but he's physical and is great in coverage. Would it kill us to hold on to A FEW of our own draft picks?

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | March 12, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

4th to get back in the good graces of Virgnians you must recite the state song (Carry Me back to Old Virginny), and you have to...

j/k, dude.

But I did thought you were carryin' VA for a sec...

HA, Floud, we may have had a run-in somewhere on the beltway. Both of us probably expressed that we're the #1 drivers on these streets, and kept it moving...

I can have really bad road rage at times... surprising, huh?

I can't speak for everyone else in VA, but I learned how to drive in Germany. So my problem was speed more than not knowing the rules of the road or low awareness.

I actually saw a woman smoking a cigarette, doing her makeup thing, drinking coffee (i assume), and checking her cell phone - in the car, behind the wheel, with the traffic moving lightly.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Workout numbers for Oher and Andre Smith :

Oher:
40 yard dash: 5.32 seconds.
vertical: 30.5 inches
225-pound Bench press: 21 reps
20-yard shuttle: 4.6

Smith:
40-yard dash: 5.28 seconds.
Vertical: 25 inches.
225-pound bench press: 19 reps.
Broad jump: 7-feet, 10-inches.
Three-cone drill: 7.88 seconds three-cone drill.


Please note that one has a nice happy-go-lucky story written with him in mind (good book by the way) while the other has the media against him. And there you have it, that is how draft picks are made in today's media-driven world. Pitiful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Ken Lucas was cut because he got beat deep too much.

I don't want someone like that....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

matt, if that happens, and we end up with 24 and 55, then I'm a happy camper. Although, what was I thinking, at 24, I'd go with Loadholt, over Britton, and Beatty....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

and I don't know why everyone is saying Tyson Jackson is a reach at 13. there's a very good chance we wont' be available at 13. he would NOT be a reach.

by pick #13 J.Smith, Monroe, Orakpo, Raji will all be gone. if we want an impact DE we will be HOPING that Jackson falls to us at #13. But he may very well be gone already. If we wont' get our wish in trading back I think we'll get T.Jackson or whoever is available between A.Smith and M.Oher

Posted by: Sheriff_Gonna_Getcha | March 12, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Please note that one has a nice happy-go-lucky story written with him in mind (good book by the way) while the other has the media against him. And there you have it, that is how draft picks are made in today's media-driven world. Pitiful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 12:05 PM

Putting it like that, I am def against Oher now.

Neither of them did good on the bench.

Quick, what did Sameuls and Jansen do on the bench during their combine? I know Smooooot did none (or was it 1?).

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Man, y'all still on that "trade Carlos Rogers for..."?

MatV, I think that Tryon will put in the work. I hope that he's studying a lot of film and working with the other corners, seeking advice.

With Tryon you have speed, Hall has hands, and Rogers covers well.

Is it so much to ask to get all of that in one?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

So the UFL announced their first year HC's as someone mentioned. If you wanted to try and train kids to be NFL players its not a terrible list. But not great.

Dennis Green for San Francisco, Ted Cottrell for New York, Jim Haslett for Orlando, Fassel -Vegas.

If you asked me who I think would have been in there if they expanded to 6 teams as they hoped. I am gonna guess Martz @ no 5 coaching Salt Lake. Mooch as no 6 coaching in LA.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

smoot did 1 bench rep of 225.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Martz is legitiment. He is a one trick pony, though it comes from the greates minds of offensive pasts (Coryell, Giibbs, Zampese). But he wouldn't be a great HC on a lower level IMHO.

Cottrel has never been a HC, so I do not know about him. Green, Haslett, and Fassel seems like great coaches to me, though.

The bad part I see is some players won't sign because once you sign you MUST play the whole 6 week season and can not move up to the NFL until after the season ends on Thanksgiving.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Smoot also is not that good at run blocking.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's mock drafts has us selecting either Andre Smith or Michael Oher. In both mocks, Tyson Jackson was gone by pick #12, and Andre Smith was at least picked by #13 (he was #9 in the draft that we selected Oher).

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

psp, I'm pretty surprised that they have Jackson going that high.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say Martz is NOT legit.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Samuels didn't work out at the combine he had a hurt knee.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

What they should do:
Going forward, the number of defensive players the Skins should sign in FA or pick in the draft is 0. The needs are on offense. First round should focus on a dynamic game-changing player (somebody that helps us to score). I think that the Skins should be willing to over-reach for someone like Heyward-Bey or Jared Cook (the #2 rated TE with 4.5 speed). They also could use O line help and if one of the 4 OTs should fall to 13th, that will be an interesting choice to have to make.

What they will do:
My prediction will match CFN's and the Skins will draft LB Rey Maualuga with the rationale that the Skins focused on O last year so this year is the D's turn and he was the best player available.

Results: Vinny will really develop a good prayer ritual while hoping that last years picks produce.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

SJK! A month ago, they had Jackson going in the 20s! SJK SJK!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

THE TRUTH SAYS

RedDMV can shut his darn mouth!

also

THE TRUTH SAYS

he will be happy with Orakpo, Andre Smith, or Micheal Oher at #13. Or Aaron Curry, but that won't happen. Maybin? No thanks.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Samuels didn't work out at the combine he had a hurt knee.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:27 PM

Proof posiitive that Smith will be a top 5 pick. Sameuls didn't even work out and all he had was game tape. HA!

amaranthpa - WTF are you talking about? We already made our bed with WRs and MUST sleep with them.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

4th, c'mon, we would DOMINATE if we had three elite TEs.

Posted by: daggar | March 12, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

You can never have enough TEs on the roster. Everyone knows this.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"Maybin? No thanks."

Is Maybin not quick enough to play SLB? He can rush the passer like M Wash did. I know he's undersized for an end though.

Posted by: GreenTerror23 | March 12, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

No it takes 4 elite TE's to dominate in this league.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Jansens combine results.

Combine Invite: yes
Height: 6063
Weight: 305
40 Yrd Dash: 5.30
20 Yrd Dash: 3.03
10 Yrd Dash: 1.82 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 22
Vertical Jump: 27
Broad Jump: 08'04"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.61
3-Cone Drill: 7.62

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Samuels didn't work out at the combine he had a hurt knee.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:27 PM

you mean the skins drafted someone with knee problems and it worked out o.k.

I would have never thought that since according to RI if a player has knee problems in college he probably wont pan out in the pro's escpecially not a 1st round pick.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 12, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Sheriiff_gonna-getya


I massively agree with you abhout the Lucas situation not becoming one for us.

The thing is, from the way the FO has operated in the past, Rogers will have a great year, make himself valuable, and the Wizards of Redskins Park will say--like they did with Evans- "Hey, we'll wait before tendering him a contract."

Then some team will swoop in, offer him just enough loot to help him make up his mind about leaving, and he'll be gone.

I'd like to get something out of him before he goes is all I'm saying.

'Cuz you know like I do, that's what's going to happen--the skins don't train up and keep their own draftees as some other team's young player is always more attractive.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Its sad to see how we all here arguing over the 10 year mess ol danny boy and his goon vinny has made of our team. These so called do it yourselfers have managed to screw the team up in so many ways it isn't funny. Can't any of you see the scheme they're running on us? It's a simple formula, Every offseason create hype, buzz and false hop through signing a big name free agent then right before the season starts hike up ticket prices and reap the monetary benifits of skin fans stupidity!!! Just think about this for a minute. I mean we have a guy who was nothing more than a fetch it boy in the 49ers organization building his fantasy team in real life with the skins and an owner whose main objective is to make money first and hopefully win second. Meanwhile where are all the football guys in the front office??? Guys who've actually played the game or have definite success in producing winners in the league in some way. First off we need a GM for crying out loud. Not some pencil pusher someone who has built a winning dynasty in the past decade!! I mean look at Kansas City they went out and got a guy who has built something and at this rate the Chiefs will get to SB and win before we do with "My Cousin Vinny" running the show. GURU speaks of "TRADE JASON CAMPBELL". How about "FIRE VINNY CERATO". I'm down with that tagline. Hell he's doing Bobby Mitchell's job anyway.

Posted by: cee_212002 | March 12, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Oher's combine results,

Combine Invite: Yes
Height: 6044
Weight: 309
40 Yrd Dash: 5.34
20 Yrd Dash: 3.03
10 Yrd Dash: 1.78 225 Lb. Bench Reps: 21
Vertical Jump: 30 1/2
Broad Jump: 08'07"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.60
3-Cone Drill: 7.81

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

'...No it takes 4 elite TE's to dominate in this league....'


No, it takes a crafty slot receiver who can beat underneath coverage to win in this league:

Off the top of my head:

S Holmes
Wes Welker
V Jackson
Boldin
A Gonzalez
Hines Ward
Eddie Royal

These guys are quicker than tight ends and beat most team's 3rd corner or mismatched strong safety.

A three wide out set is the best set to run nowadays.

Two tight sets are so 1980s.

I'd take any of them over '...4 elite tight ends...' any day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

cee,

Your post is filled with crap, they don't sign big name FA's every year, nor do they raise ticket prices every year.

You left Gibbs out of your post, he was screwing up the team for 4 years with his FA moves.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

flound, JJ an Oher have remarkably similar results, thats kind of funny.

Whats the story on Oher, why isn't he getting more pub? What is being said about his run blocking??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Moe, we were talking about tight ends... who said anything about football?

Posted by: daggar | March 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

4th - "WTF are you talking about? We already made our bed with WRs and MUST sleep with them."

Why? If they can't get on the field and have shown absolutely nothing in the way of potential or producing...and if your biggest issue is being able to score points, why would you not look for a playmaker? That does not mean you give up on them but until we are sure that we have addressed our biggest hole, you continue to try to address it. I hope like hell the 3 show something, but they have not so far. Until then, we are in the same position as we were last year - the needs have not changed.

In my dating years, those that did not produce did not wind up staying long in my bed...

daggar - we might dominate if we had ONE elite TE - right now, we have one very good one.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the waiting list for season tickets is a thing of the past. Last week I got a letter telling me that I can renew my season tickets (cancelled them before last season) if I want for as low as $44 per ticket and that parking was available, DESPITE THE FACT that there is a waiting list over 200,000 names long. Yes, that two hundred thousand names on the list. Yet somehow there are tickets for me (up to 8 season tix) if I want them. I’m feeling pretty special. When I originally got my season tickets I had only been on the waiting list for 5 years. I have a hunch that there really is no waiting list anymore, and this may be one of the main reasons that Snyder hasn’t raised the prices in a while……pretty soon the games won’t be sold out week after week (and we will not have any sort of facts to back up any “greatest fans in the NFL” claims). It will be interesting to see what lays ahead.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Michael Oher OT 6’6 322 Ole Miss
By: Robert Davis
Michael Oher was an immediate success as a freshman for the Rebels in 2005. He started 10 of 11 games at right guard, earning Freshman All American honors in the process. He shifted over to left tackle as a sophomore, starting all 12 games and being named to the All SEC 2nd team. Oher continued to improve as a junior, keeping alive his consecutive start streak and running it to 34 games. He earned 1st Team All SEC honors, and various All America honors. The accolades did not stop as a senior, again earning All SEC and All America honors.

Strengths

Oher has the ideal left tackle frame, with a lean body and long arms. He easily controls defenders at the line of scrimmage in pass protection. His long arms keep defenders from getting into his body, and his nimble feet allow him to re-direct laterally to keep his quarterback upright. Oher also has been able to drive lineman off the ball and open up huge running lanes for his running backs. He is the complete package physically, and has a ton of experience in the SEC. He has been very durable during his career, and has extensive time at both tackle and guard.

Weaknesses

There isn’t much to dislike about Oher. He has dominated in college, and has the talent to dominate in the NFL. Even though he can dominate at the point of attack, he does not always play as hard as he should He will rely on his talent to block instead of finishing and driving the player back. Teams will also test him out quite a bit in interviews and see how well he can pick up an offensive scheme at the pro level. Much was made of his upbringing as a child and his struggles to get his grades in order in high school in the book, “The Blind Side: The Evolution of a Game” by Michael Lewis. He hasn’t had any issues at Ole Miss, but teams will do their homework to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of an all pro career for their investment.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

amar,

How do you know the next WR you draft is going to work out.

High first round WR's don't normally work out way to many bust to take that chance.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Go to a 4 TE shotgun set. That sounds good to me.

4th I agree it will be a hard sell to not let players go to the NFL if so needed. If it were me I would let those players go if the NFL is willing to give money to the teams for contracts.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

flound thanks, I'd be happy with him, seems like he'd be easy to plug in on the right side, and roll....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Much was made of his upbringing as a child and his struggles to get his grades in order in high school in the book, “The Blind Side: The Evolution of a Game” by Michael Lewis. He hasn’t had any issues at Ole Miss, but teams will do their homework to make sure there is nothing standing in the way of an all pro career for their investment.

Posted by: Flounder21"

Funny they say that, while the book tells a story of Oher getting in a fight and hurting an innocent bystander. The campus and local police searched for him, but he pretty much got out of it because of who his adopted parent(s) was(were).

Andre Smith never got into that kind of trouble in college.


Yet Oher is a "safe pick" and Andre Smith is a "risky pick" because some knucklehead who probably never played a down in his life said so.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

OK flounder, I tried to leave the Gibbs debacle out of it due to inflicting further self punishment on myself, but since you want to go there. During those four years was the only time we didn't sign someone to a rediculous contract. I too, am a victim of getting caught up in the hype and all the while I hope Haynesworth works out. I'm not holding my breath. Did you hear Danny's comment on signing Haynesworht??? He said " WE've finally figured it out. You don't give a $100 mil to a guy in his 30's you give it a guy in 20's". Are you serious??? I mean come on here we've gone through how many coaches, QB's, offensive and defensive schemes in the past decade? How many has New England gone through? Or Pittsburgh? Or Philidelphia? Get my drift??? Team chemistry starts from the top not the bottom. I mean think about this COUSIN VINNY is actually considering resigning Daniels,Wynn, and Washington???? What a joke!!!

Posted by: cee_212002 | March 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Floud, don't you knocking ANYTHING Gibbs did is considered blasphemy up here?

I for one agree with you though.

I'll leave the Gibbs talk at that - not pulling that toy out the box.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"During those four years was the only time we didn't sign someone to a rediculous contract."

You must've not followed the offseason for those four years, did you?

Archuletta
Lloyd
Randle El

These names ring a bell?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

To say that Gibbs, who inherited a team featuring Shane Matthews, Danny Weurffel (sp), Trung Canidate, Rod Gardner, Darnerian Mccants, Robert Royal, and Lavaerneus Coles, "screwed up" the team with FO decisions is downright moronic.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Also the Clinton Portis trade and contract, give me a break with that sh!t.

Red,

I have seen a lot of people up here who agree, that Gibbs made some very bad personel desicions.

I love Gibbs but if we are going to talk bad about the FO's he has to be mentioned.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

To say that Gibbs, who inherited a team featuring Shane Matthews, Danny Weurffel (sp), Trung Canidate, Rod Gardner, Darnerian Mccants, Robert Royal, and Lavaerneus Coles, "screwed up" the team with FO decisions is downright moronic.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:19 PM |

Psp,

I'm not saying he is the only one but he helped, he made some good moves but he also made some awful moves.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Coles ended up getting us Moss, so I can't hold anyone to the fire for that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

flounder21,
With any team, especially the Skins, I would argue that you don't know that anyone regardless of position is going to work out. Yes receivers are tough and generally don't produce year 1. That said, given the track record of this team, I would opt to increase my odds of success.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"Bench Reps: 21"


This is important for a rookie lineman because when it rains during spring practice he's responsible for carrying the benches indoors. All of them.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

daggar
'.... we were talking about tight ends... who said anything about football?...'


(Insert image of glowering grandma from freecreditreprot.com commercial followed by laugh track and knowing smiles.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

flounder21,
With any team, especially the Skins, I would argue that you don't know that anyone regardless of position is going to work out. Yes receivers are tough and generally don't produce year 1. That said, given the track record of this team, I would opt to increase my odds of success.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 1:26 PM |

True so lets see how are second year guys produce, instead of wasting a 1st rounder on another reciever.

This team needs OT or DE with 13 thats it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Robert Royal could give Chris Cooley a class in blocking.

Like being a good defender in the NBA, a good blocker (OL, TE/FB, to an extent WR) will always find a home in the NFL.

I think Royal just got signed as a FA - he still gets contracts.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

flound thanks, I'd be happy with him, seems like he'd be easy to plug in on the right side, and roll....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 12, 2009 1:07 PM


Has played RT? How od we know he would succeed as such?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Funny they say that, while the book tells a story of Oher getting in a fight and hurting an innocent bystander. The campus and local police searched for him, but he pretty much got out of it because of who his adopted parent(s) was(were).

Andre Smith never got into that kind of trouble in college.


Yet Oher is a "safe pick" and Andre Smith is a "risky pick" because some knucklehead who probably never played a down in his life said so.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 12, 2009 1:10 PM


I finally agrre with the Truth....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

To say that Gibbs, who inherited a team featuring Shane Matthews, Danny Weurffel (sp), Trung Canidate, Rod Gardner, Darnerian Mccants, Robert Royal, and Lavaerneus Coles, "screwed up" the team with FO decisions is downright moronic.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:19 PM


we all complain about TD's But to my recollection Darnerian McCants was a TD machine and Gibbs let him go because he was not a speed receiver.
not trying to be funny but I bet if we had McCants last year JC would have thrown a lot more TD's.
That is actually why we drafted Malcom Kelley to be that big target.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 12, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Coles ended up getting us Moss, so I can't hold anyone to the fire for that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

And by who's grace did Coles end up turning into Moss...

Obviously Gibbs made some mistakes. Some big ones too. But he's also the primary reason this team is even close to being competitive right now.

Just a quick comparison. In Gibbs' first year, he brought in Portis, Springs, MWash, Griffin, Ryan Clark, and Mike Sellers, drafted Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley, and inserted Antonio Pierce into the starting lineup for the first time in his career.

In Vinny's first year, he brought in Jason Taylor and Erasmus James, and drafted Chris Horton.

Please, let's not try and make is it seem like Gibbsy was a poor choice at GM (or president or whatever he was called).

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

beantown
'...Coles ended up getting us Moss, so I can't hold anyone to the fire for that....'

The skins' offense will click once Moss is moved from 'X' to 'Z' receiver.

This means a healthy Kelly playing 'X'.

Moving Moss around and hiding him in bunch formations or at the slot will make him more effective as covering him then becomes more of a challenge.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 12, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Agreeing with 'Ziggy' will cause your IQ to suddenly decrease...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 12, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

True so lets see how are second year guys produce, instead of wasting a 1st rounder on another reciever.

This team needs OT or DE with 13 thats it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 1:32 PM

DE is a wasted pick - we had a top 10 D that we have apparently improved already. OT (if one of the 4 were available at 13) would be fine. Otherwise, your need continues to be playmakers on offense. Having too many is a much better position to be in than having too few.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Having too many is a much better position to be in than having too few.

Posted by: amaranthpa"

Tell that to the Bengals.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

But amaranthpa is correct is one thing; the needs from last season have not changed.

Only just like last season, the analysis of needs is incorrect. A few of us were killing ourselves arguing this point, but both the offensive and defensive lines are the biggest needs right now, just as they were the biggest needs last offseason. Unfortunately, blinded Vinny failed to see it.

Posted by: psps23 | March 12, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else getting tired of the pic of TO and Jerry on here? And no new news today, other than Shaun Alexander is hanging out a redskins park. So we can sign him and his 2.4 yards per rush average

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

we all complain about TD's But to my recollection Darnerian McCants was a TD machine and Gibbs let him go because he was not a speed receiver.
not trying to be funny but I bet if we had McCants last year JC would have thrown a lot more TD's.
That is actually why we drafted Malcom Kelley to be that big target.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 12, 2009 1:37 PM

Wrong. He was let go because of poor work ethics and he didn't play special teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - Tell that to the Bengals.

who beat the skins last year if I sadly recall...

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Can we please fast forward to Sept so the season can begin?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 12, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. He was let go because of poor work ethics and he didn't play special teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:53 PM

that is not true, I went to college with McCants and we ran track together and worked out everymorning at 6am in the weight room. so i have talked to him and I assure you that your response is not true.

Thank you very much, please pick your face up of the floor and move along.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 12, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I went to college with McCants and we ran track together and worked out everymorning at 6am in the weight room. so i have talked to him and I assure you that your response is not true.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | March 12, 2009 2:03 PM

Well I was the best man in his wedding, was his agent for three years, and drank with him every night for four years. I can assure everyone that 4th has it exactly right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. He was let go because of poor work ethics and he didn't play special teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

So like Thomas

Posted by: alex35332 | March 12, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If Bugel and Samuels sign off on drafting Andre Smith, that's good enough for me..."
Posted by: jesuisunpizza | March 12, 2009 11:06 AM

Same here.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse


Look at the progress Buges has made with Heyer. Andre might benefit as well?

Posted by: Devo2 | March 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

If we bring back Williams to groom Smith and get him to a level where he can compete with man tatters of years past I for one am for it.

Posted by: Pleepleus | March 12, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

psps23 - "A few of us were killing ourselves arguing this point, but both the offensive and defensive lines are the biggest needs right now, just as they were the biggest needs last offseason."

The Skins D was 4th in Total Yards per game allowed, 7th in Passing yards allowed, 8th in rushing yards allowed and 6th in points per game allowed. We were also 11th and 6th in rushing and receiving scores allowed respectively. While another dozen sacks would have been nice, I am having a hard time seeing that the defensive line is a weakness. It may be the weakness of the defense but that does not mean it's necessarily a team weakness.

Offense - 19th in total yards, 28th total points, 23 in passing, 8th in russing, 28th in passing plays longer than 20 yds and 29th in passing plays longer than 40 yds. While we were 4th in running plays longer the 20, we were tied for last (with 0) in running plays longer than 40. Those numbers seem to me to suggest that we might want to try to improve our offense a wee bit and add some playmakers.

I don't know what analysis you are looking at to suggest that the D line was a team weakness but I would be interested to know. So would about 25 other teams who would love to have that weakness.

Posted by: amaranthpa | March 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith gave up like one sack his senior season and seven for his 38 game career in the SEC. Practice and two a days for two months is plenty of time to get this guy into shape. If he is available the skins should take him. He will not be available past pick 20.

Posted by: patio100 | March 12, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

From Yahoo Sports

[Redskins’ Haynesworth indicted on traffic charges -45 minutes ago

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth has been indicted on two misdemeanor traffic charges in Tennessee after an accident that seriously injured another driver.

District Attorney Kim Helper says Haynesworth faces charges of reckless driving and having expired registration.

Haynesworth, a former Tennessee Titan who signed with the Redskins last month, was released after surrendering Wednesday. Maximum punishment is six months in jail and a $500 fine on the reckless driving charge and 30 days and a $50 fine for the other charge.

The charges come from a Dec. 13 incident in which police say Haynesworth was trying to pass another driver, who crashed into a concrete median.

Haynesworth’s agent didn’t immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment.]

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 12, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Well I was the best man in his wedding, was his agent for three years, and drank with him every night for four years. I can assure everyone that 4th has it exactly right.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I am him. Also Malcolm Kelley. I was drafted in part to replace myself because of my mediocre work habits and refusal to play special teams.

Also I'm Barack Obama. Yes we can.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 12, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Danny and Vinny may be the two stooges, but these three trades were all by Joe Gibbs, Hall of Fame Coach. Put 'em all together and they spell: Larry, Moe, and Curly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 12, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

TE,

Thanks I was about to say the same thing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 12, 2009 6:26 AM | Report abuse
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dude, do you really believe those 3 trades were possible without danny's blessing and vinny's evaluation? gibbs might have wanted brunell, portis, and duckett but important thing is who put together trading packages for those players. i have no problem with those 3 players and even taylor...only problem i have is that skins gave up way too much for what they were getting. ....since 1999, there's been only one way....danny's way

Posted by: imageClass | March 13, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

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