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Kesiel Fined $12,500

Just heard that Brett Keisel, the Pitt. DE who hit Jason Campbell int he left knee, was fined $12,500 for the hit, according to a league source. He was also penalized 15 yards on the play for a personal foul.

The league is cracking down on hits to QBs around the knees - the Skins campaigned for it a few years back after Brunell was hit in the NY game here in 2005 - and it has been a point of emphasis each of the least two years.

About what was expected, somewhere in the $10,000 range. Keisel did apologize to Campbell after the play and JC said he did not think it was intentional, but it was in violation of the rules nonetheless.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 24, 2007; 3:27 PM ET
 
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you still suck.

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Haven't posted in awhile. Just wanted to say thanks for doing the blog, Jasno.

Posted by: Trevor Gartenhaus | August 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

A little justice. Hooray!

Posted by: JLC is the Man | August 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

4rdstth!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the 1st/1rd/3ifth crap already.

Good last article Jasno

Posted by: OC Skins | August 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Kendall and the draft pick... were there other teams interested in him? What kind of salary would he have commanded if he hit the open market?

Maybe it was a shrewd move by the FO by giving up a draft pick instead of having to bid on him in the open market. Saved ourselves some cap space? We might have been priced out by other teams.

Maybe, just sayin

Posted by: Zebra | August 24, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 24, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

First!

Posted by: did anyone say first yet? | August 24, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Top Tenth!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If only that hit to Brunell's knee in '05 would have ended his career... would we have seen some cap relief then?????

Let's be honest, how funny is it that our 3rd string QB has a 47 mill contract? SUPER SMART UP YOUR BUTT, GIBBY!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey "you suck," stop discording the blog! At the least, be creative. I'm tired of the foolish vitriol aimed at our dedicated blogmaster.

Dull vitriol bores me. I don't come here to be bored.

If you must, lay a vitriolic haiku on us or something.

Like this:


Jasno rips St. Joe:
Bitter soccer wannabe.
Hail to the Redskins!


(Not something I would write, overall (although the third line is a classic), but provided for educational purposes.)


Got it? Angry dudes, start bringing it with humor or creativity.

Posted by: farstriker | August 24, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 24, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Who said Brunell is 3rd string, anon skippy?

Posted by: CC | August 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey Top Tenth and all you first guys, pretty lame not putting your name out there.

No one will ever know who you are.
If you're going to bust your a** to get in the top 10 you might as well put your name out there for the credit.

Posted by: Did anyone say first yet? | August 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thats a hefty fine, though I doubt that'll deter Keisel or others from doing it again.

Cheap shots are for punks.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | August 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

4th, Thanks.

I hope all goes well for you and yours in the future.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The 1st/3rdth/4nd morons are a necessary evil, like Cowboy's fans. Can't say I like them or even want them around, but ultimately you have to have some appreciation for the hemmeroids that remind us to wipe better next time.

Thanks A$$ Hats for your hard work in the blogosphere. You are appreciated.

Posted by: Dislexic Dex #72 | August 24, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

12rdsth!

Posted by: Appreciated | August 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Brunell couldn't be a back-up in the XFL right now, and that league folded 30 years ago.

WHOOPS! Nevermind, he's the 47-million back-up for the Redskins who can't throw 10 yards down field and looks like Star Jones (pre fat surgery) trying to move around in the pocket.

IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!! HA

AND THEY SIGNED HIM UNTIL HE'S LIKE 47! SMART MOVE THERE!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: More Justice | August 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"Who said Brunell is 3rd string, anon skippy?"

Atlanta has him listed as 1st string. Enough to command a 47 mill contract given the circumstances he will enter.

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason THANKS MUCHO FOR THE UPDATES DUDE! At least we know you aren't bored there? What's next? Guess we have to wait until after the game for speculation ...

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

hey farstriker...you suck too.

JaCan't just sucks more.

Better?

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay Czarniack is mawwwnnneeee. I last heard she was banging Todd Collins...

Posted by: Burl McFadden | August 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay Czarniack is mawwwnnneeee. I last heard she was banging Todd Collins...

Posted by: Burl McFadden | August 24, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

I read that Kansas City and Miami were both trying to get Kendall. Redskins did great to get him at this price, for a fifth pick, and with no signing bonus.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Totally Gay | August 24, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jason. :)

I still say it was Heyer's fault Campbell got hit at all, he engaged Keisel and then let him go.

I don't buy that it was the guards fault, and the coaches shouldn't think we didn't see the play correctly.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | August 24, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Marginally. You can do a lot better.

Come on, I want to see you criticizing your guts out!

Posted by: farstriker | August 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

tHANKS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS mark. I appreciate it.....

Posted by: 4th | August 24, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it Beer:30 yet? Anyone else thirsty? I'm quite parched and dying over here...

Posted by: CC | August 24, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

$12,500 for potentially ruining years of hard work and a run at the playoffs...yeah, I'd say that is as fair as Mark Brunell in a shot-put competition.
YUPPPERZZZ

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | August 24, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update JLC. It should have been more.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should read this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/redskins/history/gibbs/articles/jg91fet2.htm

You may become a better person for the rest of the day. I have.

Posted by: 4th | August 24, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

For all the people that are leaving worthless nasty comments you're pathetic. You don't have to agree with everything that has been written here, but remember your reading Jason's personal views. All this "you suck" stuff; if that's how you feel then don't read his blog. I don't always agree with what Jason may have to say but that's what you debate about on here you don't have to be nasty.

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I like Peter.

Posted by: Gay Guy | August 24, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I like Peter too.

Posted by: Brandon Lloyd | August 24, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Now, "Gay Guy," that's what I'm talking about! That's funny!

You are CYGO!

Posted by: farstriker | August 24, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

4th, if you havent read Gibbs book 4th and 1, you should... great read whether you are religous or not.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 24, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Did the Redskins give up too much for Kendall?

Jason thinks that $2.7 million is too much, but he doesn't cite any statistics. As a professional economist (when I'm not a talent evaluator) I'd judge that salary relevant to the following:

1. The salaries, including bonuses, of the Redskins' other starting linemen.

2. The average salary, including bonuses, of all NFL starting guards.

3. The salary that other teams would be willing to pay him.

So, Jason, how does Kendall's salary compare to (1) or (2)? I bet you don't know -- you're just blowing wind.

Now, I don't know how to find any of those numbers easily, but I do know, from Jason's story, that the Jets were willing to pay him $4.4 million for 2008/9. The Redskins are paying him $5.0 million for the two years. But, recall that the Jets had already paid him a signing bonus, so they obviously valued him more than the $5.0 million the Redskins are paying.

Jason thinks a fifth round pick (or fourth the next year which amounts to the same) is too much. His reasoning? McNair and Green were bought for about the same.

Well, duh. In the case of the two QB's, there was no competition for either. Only Miami wanted Green, and only Baltimore wanted McNair. Kendall? The 'Skins had to outbid Kansas City and Miami. So, you've got two physically questionable QB's that no one wanted and a robust guard in demand at a time of the year when he's the only option.

Is a fifth rounder too much? This year's fifth rounder is Dallas Sartz. Who's more valuable to the 'Skins -- Dallas Sartz or Pete Kendall?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think fines are the way to punish players. Unless they are still under their rookie contract, will $12,500.00 really hurt Kesiel?

Solution - 1 game suspensions for low blows (Don't get excited Jack, not that kind of a Blow... and sorry to your kids in advance).

1 game suspensions would not only hurt the player financially, but the team they play for as well. If JC would have been out for the year with a knee injury, name 1 person in the Redskin's Organization who would be ok with the only punishment being a $12,500.00 fine.

Posted by: Dislexic Dex #72 | August 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

* The Redskins are 4-1 to win the NFC East (lowest in the division), 20-1 to win the NFC and 50-1 to win the Super Bowl, ahead of just nine teams. The over-under for their-regular season win total is 7.5.

* The Redskins are also three-point favorites Week 1 vs. the Dolphins; the over-under is 36.5 for that game. The Skins are +7 at the Eagles in Week 2, +3 at the Packers in Week 6 (lock!!!!), +10.5 at the Patriots in Week 8, +3 vs. the Bears in Week 14, +5.5 at the Giants in Week 15 and +2.5 vs. the Cowboys in Week 17.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/07/our_local_teams_odds_of_winnin.html

Posted by: Someone asked about odds earlier | August 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey lets be honest here i think some of the 1st, 3rds, 5ths are regular posters on the blog who post anon 1sts just to get a laugh about doing it.
I myself am guilty of this two or three times. I find the whole routine and subsequent argument a humorous part of the blog.

Posted by: Dante | August 24, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Go Peter

Posted by: gman | August 24, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

SOME LIKE NUTS, SOME DON'T
ALMOND JOY has NUTS, (vertical smile) MOUNDS DON'T.

Posted by: Stoopid Gay Guy | August 24, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Here you go economist now figure it out for us | August 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Did the Redskins give up too much for Kendall?"

He would be the oldest most experienced lineman there.
If he is a good mentor and "player-coach" he might be well worth
the pick and the salary to whit:

Samuels Kendall Raubach Thomas Jansen

Heyer Pucillo Wade
Armstrong

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I was there at that game 4th!!!!!!!!! It was a Glorious day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Me and my bro bought some scalped tickets for $35.00 a piece. One of the best days of my life

Posted by: OC Skins | August 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't sweat the "you suck" crowd. This is just an effort from some ES folks to attack anybody who writes about the Skins.

If the Skins want the ES guys to have so much access, let them sit with Mr. Snyder in his private box. They aren't Journalists. Or they are failed Journalists pretending to belong.

Sadly, they have a crowd who loves it when they act like little children, so they just keep it up. They don't even realize they make jerks like Lenny P and Peter King look professional.

Posted by: ES Reader | August 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Updated today. Now lets get Cooley locked in.

Current Cap Position

$2.781m under the Skins adj cap of $109.656m.

includes $1.087m tied up on players on IR.

Posted by: Cap Update | August 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Ray,

Its actually not as simple as you think. Ignoring that the hit itself was an inexcusably stupid play by a veteran Keisel, the hit resulted from a combination of poor play by the guard and inexperience by the tackle. The play was a fairly simple stunt in which the guard has to "deliver" Keisel to the tackle. In this case, I'm not sure Heyer knew it was coming and the guard let Keisel loose too early. As usual, it was a combo. If it was Heyer next to Kendall, Kendall would have prevented it. If it was Puc or Wade next to Samuels, Samuels would have prevented it.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 24, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

If the agent is willing to talk, no excuse for Cooley not to be extended by Week 3 or 4. WE CANNOT LET THIS DUDE HIT HIS CONTRACT YEAR. REWARD HIM NOW!

Posted by: Mike H. | August 24, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is the lowest paid starting offensive lineman on our team now. He counts less towards the cap than Todd Wade. I'd say it was well worth it.

Posted by: Down with negativity! | August 24, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link.

Average salary per year, including bonuses:

Samuels--$6.7 million per year
Thomas--$5.7 million per year
Jansen--$5.1 million per year
Rabach--$2.8 million per year

And last, but least:

Kendall--$2.5 million per year

So, how can Jasno complain that the's overpaid? He's earning less than any of the other starting linemen.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Reading JaCan'ts writing is like wiping my asz with a papertowel. It does the job but it hurts like hell!

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Landry only counts $2 Mill on this year's salary cap. Great. The future years aren't complete on his deal, though........

http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salaries%20-%20Detail.htm

Thanks IM. It might be meant for me to read the book (4th and 1). I kind of believe in those things.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | August 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Dear "ES Reader" person,

I don't know what an ES is. I just think his writing sucks. Negative and spun from a sour point of view. If this ES believes the same thing, I guess it is wise.

you suck.

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Kendall got a $1.5 Mil Signing Bonus as well, which is included in the $5 Mill toal value deal.

Chump change the way the Skins give out bonus $$ around here.....

Posted by: 4th | August 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

you suck.

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 04:50 PM

school starts next week. you repeating 2nd grade yet again, or are they finally letting you move on to 3rd grade?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Look around 3:20 on the clip. It was definitely Heyer who let Kesiel through.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PfAu6oHL5QU

Posted by: The Evidence | August 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I dunno - I kinda like J-La's writing. I enjoy the blog work too.

If you don't like it, why would you be here. He can't help it he's a Ravenette. We all have faults.

For instance, you suck....

...
..
.

...well - that about covers it, doesn't it.


Hey - anyone have any ideas on the Castro rumors? I'm stayin' indoors tonite 4 sho.

Posted by: Dik | August 24, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Jasno's criticism of Kendell is age-related.

How does age 34 compare to the ages of the other linemen?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 24, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

10 til 5 on friday afternoon and I'm still at school with a long to-do list. My stinking aid didn't do anything I asked him to do (he's a Cowboys fan too btw) School starts Tuesday, I have fantasy drafts tonight and Monday night, and I think I may need TiVo this season.

The Dorf will Abide at school most of the weekend

Posted by: Dorf | August 24, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, & Jasno - what kinda picks scheme could we get for Cooley now, do ya think?

Posted by: Dik | August 24, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

school starts next week. you repeating 2nd grade yet again, or are they finally letting you move on to 3rd grade?

Posted by: | August 24, 2007 04:52 PM

NOW THAT REALLY SUCKED! GET BETTER.

Posted by: you suck | August 24, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody beliwve that Vick didn't gamble on his dogs? That's a pretty claculating plea: guilty to fighting and cruelty, let the public suck hind... innocent to gambling so he can play again in the NFL.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 24, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,


"So, how can Jasno complain that the's overpaid? He's earning less than any of the other starting linemen."

Perhaps because like myself he was hoping that they would take Brunell and a draft pick and perhaps get this guy from the Falcons:

"Coaches can't stop talking about how impressive rookie guard Justin Blalock is as both a run and pass blocker. It will be interesting to see how he performs Friday at New York (Jets). Defensive end John Abraham has looked great, maybe even faster than last season."

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a damn shame that the NFL is more worried about Vick gambling on the fights rather than the fact that he actually took part in them and killed dogs.

Posted by: Ron Mexico is scum | August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe Vick didn't gamble!!

Posted by: Tim Donaghy | August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Samuels - age 30

Thomas - age 31

Jansen - age 31

Rabach - age 29

Kendell - age 34...the oldest, but the other 4 starting line average 30 years of age.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Keisel got fined!?!?! Who would ever have thought THAT would be a blog topic to talk about? (successful campaign completed).

Thanks, Jason.*

* La Canfora is Italian. It means "The Canfora."

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Somebody made a comment about game suspensions. Might make sense, but for repeat offenders. Fines for this type of infraction also should be indexed to seasons in the league and contract pay range.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like direct and illegal to me. F the Steelers and their players. F Pittsburgh fans and writers.

Posted by: DigDoug | August 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

periculum, Justin Blalock was the Falcons second round draft pick ... and the Skins just signed Pete Kendall to play guard. John Abraham just got there last season (though he'll be injured and out for the season within a few weeks). I wouldn't think the trade value of Mark Brunell comes anywhere near either of those guys, esp. based on his preseason performance so far. You wanna take a mulligan on that?

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

YES.. it was a dirty hit.. NOT A SACK.. correct your damn article.

It could have happened with an ALL PRO offensive line in front of JC.. he waited till the last minute to find Cooley.

You SUCK!

Posted by: crackpot | August 24, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh Sween,

*La Canfora is Italian. It means "The Canfora."

That doesn't say much? Now does it?
We'll do a quick swipe through google.it and ...

hmmm nothing up my sleeve AND OH its a plant
AND

HEY it facilitates the expulsion of gas from the intestines,

its astringent, anti-secretion, interferes with the absorption
of iron and other minerals.

In chemistricals err chemistry its also a ketone.

Posted by: peri really wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Redskinettes are todays CARDINALS of the EAST! And all of You who talked the same shi* last yr will hav your dic** in your mouth again!! (we dont hav to score in preseason)Potty portis whining about injury!when he pulls his HAMMY this year because hes not up to game speed all you bitc** will whine like him!

Posted by: YO MAMA | August 24, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

so glad school starts monday. all these extremeskins kids will leave this blog to the adults.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"John Abraham just got there last season (though he'll be injured and out for the season within a few weeks)."

Sorry didn't edit the article for specific content related to Blalock.

"I wouldn't think the trade value of Mark Brunell comes anywhere near either of those guys, esp. based on his preseason performance so far. You wanna take a mulligan on that?"

Brunell, 2nd round pick, maybe something else for Blalock.
INSTEAD OF KENDALL. But he is a rookie ...

But you know if you think about it ... well ya never know.
After all that wouldn't be a waste of draft picks. It would more effectively replace the departed Derrick Dockery and then some.
But I guess its a pipe dream.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"But you know if you think about it ... well ya never know.
After all that wouldn't be a waste of draft picks. It would more effectively replace the departed Derrick Dockery and then some.
But I guess its a pipe dream."

I can't help but remember how easily we got JIm Lachey.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

canfora - camphor

camphor oil

"highly potent with an aroma that is both medicinal and refreshing"

Sounds about right.

Posted by: farstriker | August 24, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Redskinettes are todays CARDINALS of the EAST! And all of You who talked the same shi* last yr will hav your dic** in your mouth again!! (we dont hav to score in preseason)Potty portis whining about injury!when he pulls his HAMMY this year because hes not up to game speed all you bitc** will whine like him!

Posted by: YO MAMA | August 24, 2007 05:15 PM

This is BOOFER, with less intelligence (if that's humanly possible).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Old School = Old Fool | August 24, 2007 04:16 PM

don't want to ruin my rep, but that was me on the previous thread ....i don't want anyone to think i don't value the draft or truley think the way we operate is neccessarily the way to go.... what i mean is if the foundation isn't there QB/coach you are going nowhere but a series of false hopes like we have over the past 15 yrs or so .....the majority of the teams are in that same boat, kidding themselves with the recycled QB and coaches they roll out or the 1st round QB bust they draft.... i just sense us having a better chance than we have had in long long time to move in the right direction.... and as it moves along i see us getting younger, signing more of our own, and still making some FA moves and trades, in other words all means neccessary to get good players to surround a good foundation...hope that clears it up and restores some faith in what i deliver

Posted by: Old School | August 24, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Kendall is already better then DOC and not one snap? ONLY in KOOLAID LAND!

Posted by: Quik give me some They SUCK!! | August 24, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

periculum,

Pipe dream? Man, it's only a pipe dream if you've got an illegal substance burning in the bowl.

It's not a dream but a fantasy. It's about as likely as Lindsey Czarniak showing up at my house saying she's been looking for me all week, etc.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"canfora - camphor
camphor oil
"highly potent with an aroma that is both medicinal and refreshing"
Sounds about right."

AND don't forget ... according to the Italians
it facilitates the expulsion of gas from the intestines,

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"It's not a dream but a fantasy. It's about as likely as Lindsey Czarniak showing up at my house saying she's been looking for me all week, etc."

Kind of like Jay Schroeder for the very best all-pro left tackle in the NFL : Jim Lachey. Al Davis we used to love ya baby!

I'd take Lachey over Blalock and Kendall together.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Hurry i need a drink of that koolaid to they SUCK!

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

great work by the RI research department ... my own intergoogling reveals that camphor is an insect repellant and one of the two active ingredients (other than menthol) in Vick's Vapo-Rub. There's comedy in there somewhere.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

5:27pm obviously wasn't me ... plus I prefer Countrytime, coffee and/or Johnny Black ... but I have to admit the signature looks uncanny.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

From the espn "Hashmarks" blog:

Ihamos writes, "I was thinking that the Redskins had one of the best sets of defensive backs in the league and a solid set of linebackers. They have great receivers and awesome running backs (if Portis can stay on the field). With the addition of Kendall from the Jets to bolster the offensive line and a defensive line that is looking more aggressive than it's been in a while, is it possible that these Redskins are a playoff team?"

Ihamos, I must admit to being a lot more intrigued with the Redskins than I was before training camp. A lot of this will hinge on the development of Jason Campbell at quarterback, but I agree that the defense finally appears to be making progress. A big part of the problem last year was the Redskins' inability to generate anything resembling a pass-rush.

I think that will change this season. And yes, with the addition of rookie LaRon Landry, I think the Redskins may end up with the best safety tandem in the league. The people I've talked to said that Sean Taylor was an absolute beast during training camp.

Landry has looked pretty raw at times, but it's obvious he has the ability to make huge plays. I'm not ready to call the Redskins a playoff team, but I definitely have my eye on them.

http://myespn.go.com/profile/hashmarks

Posted by: mugamack | August 24, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

maybe lachey for priest holmes, percolatum?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"maybe lachey for priest holmes, percolatum?"

No way baby even before the injury at the height of his career. I ain't no Al Davis. Of course old Al did learn from his mistakes which I guess is why they have Robert Gallery.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Here's the particulars:


Canfora

cinnamono, hon-sho


Informazioni di base

Nome botanico (genere e specie):
Cinnamonum camphora

Parti utilizzate per scopi medicinali:
Foglie
Radici

__________________________________________________
Effetti dimostrati:

Facilita l'espulsione dei gas dall'apparato intestinale.
___________________________________________________

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

muga, thanks for the link to hashmarks, which reminds me, I gotta do some laundry b/c I'm running out of underwear.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

jim lachey was a great one, periscope. too bad the shoulder injury ended his career early.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"muga, thanks for the link to hashmarks, which reminds me, I gotta do some laundry b/c I'm running out of underwear."

Too much Canfora ... gotta watch those skid marks Sween ...

OKAY, now you know you set yourself up for that one!

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

maybe lachey for priest holmes, percolatum?

Ohh Peri, your Priest Holmes Fever-Dream just gets funnier every day.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Ohh Peri, your Priest Holmes Fever-Dream just gets funnier every day."

Yeah almost as funny as 38 year old Collins for Campbell if he goes down. Beasley for Sellers if he goes down. Bradford and Pinkston for Moss if he goes down.

Kind of puts things in perspective doesn't it?

Posted by: silly nincompoop | August 24, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Its late on Friday afternoon, what are the top three/four things YOU are looking for this game?

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Look around 3:20 on the clip. It was definitely Heyer who let Kesiel through.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PfAu6oHL5QU

Posted by: The Evidence | August 24, 2007 04:52 PM "

This assumes that Heyer's assignment was to block Keisel one-on-one. The way it looks to me, he was supposed to steer the DE towards Pucillo...who didn't pick up Keisel from Heyer.

But hey: what do I (or Redskins coaches who actually know football) know? I'm sure it's just a conspiracy to protect their sensitive rookie, and instead smear their veteran guard and a local reporter. Sounds perfectly reasonable.

/sarcasm off

Posted by: jcabana | August 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

is perineum the same person as "peri wrinkle your nose it smells?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"What are the top three/four things YOU are looking for this game?"

1. Brunell, does he get traded or do they cut him.
If he puts on a good performance he may be starting for Atlanta
the following week.

2. Collins does he look like a number 2 against the vaunted
Ravens defense?

3. Better play from the O-line. They know they are under the
microscope and cuts are on Tuesday. More of a running game
perhaps?

4. Will Randall Godfrey see action?

5. Last but not least does Palmer see action? How does our
worst case scenario look at this snap shot in time.

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What is a perineum?

Posted by: A really stoopid anonymous poster | August 24, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a flower...

Posted by: CC | August 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

in stoopid speak, think "taint"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking for:
1. A running game btwn the tackles, including Pucillo and Heyer redeeming themselves before returning to their depth spots. At least three inside rushing plays for more than 3.5 yards.
2. Heyer showing Terrell Suggs what a man of his size can do.
3. No demolition of Todd Collins (who is, according to all outward appearances, looking like #2 QB).
4. Somebody new (replacing Espy in the return game) to show up with at least a 20 yard return, either P or K return.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"This assumes that Heyer's assignment was to block Keisel one-on-one. The way it looks to me, he was supposed to steer the DE towards Pucillo...who didn't pick up Keisel from Heyer."

I think this is why Pete Kendall now wears a Redskins uniform. And Pucillo is now a backup again like Heyer.

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, forgot about defense ... how about ONE sack and ONE pick!

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"in stoopid speak, think "taint""

You mean like "taint" your bald spot stoopid?

Posted by: Larry King | August 24, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

perineum? SJK! That's like south of baddabing and north of baddaboom.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking for any offensive bright spots against Baltimore's D.

The final score may look like a hockey score.

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Yo - Hook us up with some JC Truth news. How´s the knee? 10-6 season is reasonable? Also, who scores on the Giants? We got them coming up in week 3 and I´m loving the Tiki-free lineup. Just hope we got the size at DB to stop the tall Gint receivers. Heard any other juicy NFC East rumors. I know that McNabbus is looking good in Philly. What about Captain Slippery Hands in Dallas? Any ideas what to expect from them?

Posted by: SJH | August 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

somethin like that, garlique man.

taint your (front parts) and taint (your back part)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

perineum: area between back and the front on a female....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"The perineum also known as taint, grundle, or gooch is generally defined as the surface region in both males and females between the pubic symphysis and the coccyx.
It is a diamond-shaped area on the inferior surface of the trunk which includes the anus and, in females, the vagina[1]. Its definition varies: it can refer to only the superficial structures in this region, or it can be used to include both superficial and deep structures."

Mine is big and bad especially after Canfora.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

dudes, this is a co-ed blog. please show a little dignity.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a wideout, not named Moss, make a few plays.

I'd like to see a few of the backups show that they have potential to play with the big boys.

I'd like to see some of the older guys like Pinkston show that they can still play the game.

I'd like to see Dan Snyder in a Hawaiian shirt, plaid Bermuda shorts, and orange Crocs with white socks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

personal foul. flag from zebra forthcoming

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Vick suspended indefinitely, without pay, by the NFL. Now there's a surprise.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I have been wired a report from Nate in PDX. Seems he is deep in the jungles of Borneo chewing on psychedelic tree roots and hunting wild hog with blow darts.

He assures me that he has stayed connected to the blog via a mental uplink chip he had installed in his cerebellum and is dismayed by all the goings on....the wire read:

can't these......hamsters....get....along without me.....already

He imparted too me this wisdom that he hoped I would pass along to RI nation......:

PANTIES


Posted by: chris larry | August 24, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Brunell plays lights out and Atlanta then calls us and offers a 4-6th round pick. I would think if Collins does well, it would make sense. He won't be on the roster next year.

One thing not mentioned often is that if JC and TC go down and Palmer isn't ready, we do have a college QB on the roster who plays WR (ARE). Might not be ideal but could he be worse than a 50 year old Vinny Testeverde? Seriously?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 24, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Brunell will get traded. It's too hard for a QB to pick up a new system in only two weeks. I think the Falcons will go into the season with what they've got.

They're destined for a top 5 pick next year as it is. Coach Petrino has his work cut out for him this year, and a QB on the back 9 of his career isn't going to help them get any better. I think it would be a dumb move for the Falcons.

Besides, nothing about Arthur Blank screams impetuous or prone to rash behavior. He seems like a very measured, very steady individual, and trading for Brunell on the eve of the season would be a very rash move.

Jordan Palmer is destined to be cut or assigned to the practice squad. Brunell will be #2 behind Campbell, and Collins will be #3. Frankly, Brunell is a very capable backup in the NFL at this stage. If JC goes down for any significant length of time, the season is over anyway. We all know it. There are very few teams in the NFL that can keep winning even after their #1 QB goes down.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

I'm not going to rip you for your reporting in the recent blogs regarding the left side of the line. I will say that the LT position is one of the hardest to stock talent for. Most teams take a serious drop in talent after their first stringer, and many don't have a quality LT to begin with. It is simply one of the thinnest positions there is. My point is, with Samuels out, their only options were Wade (who is really a RT) and Heyer, since Fabini has been lousy in camp - and Wade was already set to try out at guard.

I think the Redskins make some mistakes, but not so many more or less than most other teams. We tend to pull out the microscope on the bad moves, AND hold on to those moves for years, while glossing over the good ones. Though their drafts have been thin over the last few years - certainly not a good thing - they've come out with some pretty good players, with Landry, Cooley, McIntosh, Taylor, Campbell(remember the beating they got for Campbell?) and Rogers high picks that are starting, and needed. Of them all, Rogers is the weakest pick at the moment, but take a look at the top ten picks from the last four years and you'll see as many busts as there have been successes.

Of course the Redskins are thin at some spots - everyone in the league is thin somewhere. This idea that this team could be deep and have talent EVERYWHERE is a little silly. ALL teams have holes to cover, and ALL teams have to roll the dice and hope not to get injuries in one particular spot or another, including the Colts, Chargers, Bears, Pats, etc. That's free agency, and anyone who is telling you otherwise must be selling something (season tickets?).

All in all, the Redskins had a good offseason this year. They loaded up quality depth in their back 7, as opposed to panicking and signing anyone who ever played DL to a contract, and they didn't spend too much money doing it on the whole. They are under the cap, which almost EVERYONE panicked about a few years ago - they kept their staff intact too ensure some consistency for their new quarterback, (the same one we all were mystified about drafting a few years ago, but now about faint over when he takes a hit), they held their ground and didn't overpay for a "6" out of "10" guard, and ending up paying very little in comparison for a guard of equal skills (or better, depending on who you believe), and gave up a mid to late round pick to do it. By the way - does anybody remember where we drafted Dockery? A hint: it was higher than 5th or 4th round.

Things have gradually improved folks. The crazy binge spending has declined - though there are plenty of teams besides the Redskins that have been guilty of it - and the safer, lower priced players joining up have increased. Not much is heard from Snyder, which is as it should be, and the team thus far this preseason is playing with an intensity that is typically reserved for the regular season. Fletcher, McIntosh, Landry, and Carter have all looked good, Springs looks rejuvenated, Cooley is in top form, Moss looks as quick as ever, and most importantly Campbell has shown to this point he's got what it takes. Heck, even Lloyd had a TD.

So let's take a deep breath, stop with all the infighting, and see what happens. I think we may be pleasantly surprised this year, with the year after being a big one.

Posted by: Shaun | August 24, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

CL
Nate is doing good. He needed to take a break to take care of some things. I got an e mail from him the other day. Now stop eating the turnbuckle. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to see Dan Snyder in a Hawaiian shirt, plaid Bermuda shorts, and orange Crocs with white socks."

HEY!!! I didn't say the Danny could have my wardrobe!

Posted by: CHris larry | August 24, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

JM220 I got a similar email...just thought I would phrase it differently on the blog.....

Posted by: chris larry | August 24, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

CHris larry,

What? You don't want to trade with Dan Snyder? You're the only guy in town wouldn't want to be on the other side of a deal with Snyder.

He'd probably set you up with your own Johnny Rocket for a few threads. Wouldn't you like a new Johnny Rocket?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I am a Sonic man myself......but I can always be bought......

Posted by: chris larry | August 24, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

"dudes, this is a co-ed blog. please show a little dignity."

Oh, forgot myself ... S-J-K ...
spider pig, spider pig, does whatever a spider pig does.


Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

chris larry (if that IS your real name ... I see no cApS), also checked in with Nate. I know he reads, and it has to kill him ("Long time poster, first time lurker"). I also think what might have happened this week was the Second Blog Battle with ES, who were responding to St. Joe calling out Jasno, and interpreting as a call to attack. Though a few peeps also objected to JLaC's tone, most of the vitriol and bile was from new names. We just didn't recognize it without the Deputy. They have morphed and re-organized into cells; a headless organism that can attack when the call goes out. Seems to have died down now.

P Diddy calls it. As goes Jason Campbell, so goes the franchise. Plus, Petrino has to see a silver lining. He gets a bye in his first year as a coach AND he gets his boy Brian Brohm in the draft. I see the Falcons hanging onto all their picks, Brunell or no Brunell.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to see a wideout, not named Moss, make a few plays."

Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Lloyd with his band of men.
Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Lloyd practicing his zen.
Fears to put on pads, Loves to show his 'nads.

Brandon Llody, Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: The Wide Receiver | August 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
Dear God, man! It's all so clear now!

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm absolutely sure that Collins will look like #2.

Posted by: Nurse Rachett | August 24, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"P Diddy calls it. As goes Jason Campbell, so goes the franchise. Plus, Petrino has to see a silver lining. He gets a bye in his first year as a coach AND he gets his boy Brian Brohm in the draft. I see the Falcons hanging onto all their picks, Brunell or no Brunell."

That might work in baseball ala the Washington Nationals ... DOH it looks like they might make a run at .500 with mostly rookie starting pitching and a very young supporting cast? Whod a thunk it?

They sell tickets to games in Atlanta. And people are going to start asking for their money back. I don't think they can afford to call it a season and build for next year. I think they are going to have to do the best they can with what they have. Brunell knows the system having been coached by both Musgrave and Petrino. He would be great for the rookie QB they bring in next year as well.

But you are probably right.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Sween,
Do we have any moles that can help us prepare for a second onslaught?

Should we raise the ITA shields?

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Brunell was coached by Petrino? I looked that up on Wikipedia before I posted, but I couldn't see where Petrino ever coached either at University of Washington or Jacksonville...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I'm an idiot. CL is correct. Petrino coached in JAX from 1999-2001.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

And it was Periculum that was correct, not CL. Though I'm sure CL was correct about something at some point today.

I'm going back to my nap now...wake me up when the season gets started.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Is the headless organism finally gone? WTF!?

Is Nate OK?

Posted by: 4-12 | August 24, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Petrino coached for a year or two at Jacksonville while Brunell was there. He was either the QB coach or the O. coordinator.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"I'm an idiot. CL is correct. Petrino coached in JAX from 1999-2001."

CL I thought that was me not Chris Larry

porca canfora! LOL ( our new expletive deleted! )

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Art Monk get in to the HOF where he belongs.

Posted by: CoSkins | August 24, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta's GM (Rich McKay?) has to be working something major -- maybe even a three way -- to get Kelly Holcomb who, by virtue of being competent and completely redundant -- gives Philly the golden ticket to Wonka's factory. Philly's holding out b/c they know they have Atlanta's answer. Like players who want to become Skins, Philly "just wants to get paid." Skins lucked out in the right time/right place department with Pete Kendall. Philly is going to luck out even bigger off Atlanta's misfortune. They have the keys to fixing their biggest weakness (whatever that is); its just a matter of time.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Is the headless organism finally gone? WTF!?"

Just got a penile implant, it better be!!!

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

He's sitting in the corner rocking and whispering to himself...

..."panties."

But I'm sure he'll be okay.

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to see Art Monk get in to the HOF where he belongs."

I'd like to see NFL MVP, the Redskin who carried the team to its first super bowl, Larry Brown get in to the HOF. But I don't think I'm going to see it.

Believe me Monk pales by comparison as good as he was. Let it go.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Petrino arrived at University of Louisville for the first time in 1998 as offensive coordinator, following Smith. In his one season there, the Cardinals were top-ranked in Division I-A in scoring and total offense and posted the biggest positive turnaround among I-A football teams, winning six more games than in the 1997 season. He then moved to the NFL, spending two seasons as the quarterbacks coach and a third as offensive coordinator with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Posted by: Wikipedia | August 24, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse


A skimming of the posts today seems to show that the Question of the Day by the fanatic Redskins' Right is some variation of "why does the Redskins' front office get slammed more than -insert list of top teams here, e.g the Patriots- when it seems like the success/failure rate of trades/draft picks is the same?"

Leaving aside the absurd stipulation with no back up facts provided that the Skins do indeed have the same success rate on personnel decisions...

The very basic reason that the Redskins Front office gets slammed more than other teams is because they have consistently & doggedly stuck to the same formula and during that time they have never consistently won. A winning year is followed by the same approach which leads to the end of the winning ways. The Patriots are not slammed on indivual possibly suspect moves because they win every year. Owner Dan Snyder has yet to prove his methodology works, and Joe Gibbs, while brilliant at coaching, has yet to prove he can be his own personnel man, especially in the salary cap era.

A secondary reason is that if Dan Snyder is going to run the most profitable franchise in the NFL -- and, for the record, he has every right to make money and charge what the market will bear -- than he should be held accountable for the product that he is producing. He is held to a higher standard because his methods have not produced a winner -- and winning is the ONLY objective measurement of success for sports -- but he refuses to change while still raising prices. Had his management methods produced multiple Super Bowls -- or even consistent winning seasons -- than we'd not be having this discussion.

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 24, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

4-12, Nate is definitely OK, but has a baby on the way and they never really unpacked after the move. Plus the guy does have a job and, as we've all figured out by now, you can only fake it for so long while you're posting here.

Stumped, the ITA shields got stuck b/c peeps were distracted by the Jack/Redcoat/hail to 'em fracas, which was unrelated to St. Joe's activation order. Again, the Deputy would have caught that.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

You're right Atlanta has to do something. And perhaps Holcomb is a better answer. I just kind of suspect that Atlanta will go with Brunell because he's familiar and knows the system and he will come a lot cheaper.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Well said, and well written, HaikuMan.

Now, rephrase in the form of a Haiku.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX hasn't been seen since that Victoria's Secret "panties sale" link was posted up here.

Posted by: S. Cribe | August 24, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

sween- Thanks for the update.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure you meant to say the:

Jack/Redcoat/hail to 'em shabingus.

I guess it was a Finfish sandwich.

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Essayist and what have you done with HaikuMan?

I'm with you most on the second point ... The Owner has NO economic incentive to develop a football organization that actually win games b/c it doesn't matter how much they lose, the faithful are that faithful -- the prices keep going up, the demand only increases, and the actual on-field results don't change. The model is about revenue generation, not winning football. [Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it structural ambivalence churns the loyal fanbase to distraction.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

For P Diddy:

Show them the money
Must produce winning seasonS.
Respect must be earned.

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 24, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

4-12 Nate is doing good. Received an e mail from him the other day.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

He shows the money
Respect? No winning seasons.
But profit is earned.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"The Owner has NO economic incentive to develop a football organization that actually win games b/c it doesn't matter how much they lose, the faithful are that faithful -- the prices keep going up, the demand only increases, and the actual on-field results don't change. "

It never was about economic incentive. If it was Bidwell, Modell, and Davis would have been drummed out decades ago. Its about
competitive pride. I think Snyder has it. I think he wants to win
very, very badly.

He just doesn't want to lose control of the club as he did with Marty. Kind of like going through a really traumatic situation where he inherits Norv, then does the unthinkable and fires him when he still has a chance to recover a winning season and get into the playoffs. Because of that blunder he ends up with Marty ball and has to cede all control of the franchise to him.

He thinks he can learn enough to run the personnel side of the equation like Jerry Jones and Al Davis. He believes he is smarter than those guys. Like some of the "over-the-hill" acquisitions we have observed recently he has a mentor to help him learn. That mentor is now Joe Gibbs. He has Vinnie Cerrato, a close friend, to help him with the intracasies of the player development.

He does appear to be getting better after making quite a splash and a name for himself. The rather quiet off season would seem to indicate that. The Redskins current moves would seem to far more calculated and less fraught with risk and peril than in the past.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks jm.

Off to the weekend. Here's to no injuries tomorrow night. Hail!

Posted by: 4-12 | August 24, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Everyone makes a big deal about Vick killing dogs, but the Feds who seized his property are now going to kill the 59 dogs they found on his property - now isn't that ironic.

Posted by: Ron Mexico | August 24, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I too don't think ATL will trade. And I think even less that Gibbs would sign off on it, but I think that it would make sense for the team to do it. I don't think they will. I give the FO kudos for most of the moves this offseason given the hand they had to play (though they put themselves in a hole with previous stupid moves). Proof's in the pudding as we shall shortly see.

You guys are right. If JC goes down, it's probably gonna be a long year whether it's MB or TC in there. That's why it's OK to get rid of MB and try to get something. There's no way he's on the roster next year.

And as I said before we would still have ARE in an emergency for QB.... N'est-ce pas?

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 24, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX hasn't been seen since that Victoria's Secret "panties sale" link was posted up here.

Posted by: S. Cribe | August 24, 2007 06:41 PM

LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"It never was about economic incentive. ..."

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 06:53 PM

peri, just as you were really making progress. Now this.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Remember Post Game Heroes?

They're at it again...

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=257

Posted by: Stumped | August 24, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse


Well said, Periculum. I've never doubted Dan Snyder's desire to will -- ad who wants an owner unwilling to spend money at all? I also agree that the Skins have had a good off-season. I just would rather crown Dan as a great owner AFTER (and, honestly, IF) he can change by either figuring it out or giving up some control to a GM and WINS consistently. 5-11 last year, folks. That is regressing, not progressing and, therefore, he has to be able to take the hits. If they go 8-8 this year, better next and make the playoffs, and begin to show themselves as a solid contender for a long stretch than one year.....then King Snyder it is.....

Posted by: HaikuMan | August 24, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

'Everyone makes a big deal about Vick killing dogs, but the Feds who seized his property are now going to kill the 59 dogs they found on his property - now isn't that ironic.

Posted by: Ron Mexico | August 24, 2007 06:55 PM '

At least the feds will kill them in a 'humane' way... not having their throats torn out by other dogs.

Posted by: CoSkins | August 24, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

"... I just would rather crown Dan as a great owner AFTER (and, honestly, IF) he can change by either figuring it out or giving up some control to a GM and WINS consistently. ...."
- HaikuMan

peri, sorry for the cheap shot. THIS point is it ... The Owner has NOT (since taking over) figured it out and, unless St. Joe is teaching him how, it HAS to be a GM, and a GM with a longer term vision. It might just be that St. Joe is currently serving that role himself, but the way he talks, he still sounds like he's working within some defined parameters (that do not include a longer term vision).

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

D they seem to be learning this year. My hope is we see the same thing from them next off season. But I will worry about that after this year playoff run.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

It is a big deal what Vick et al did to those dogs. Drowning, shooting, choking, beating, etc. A much bigger deal than having to humanely euthanize the remaining bred for fighting, misused/abused PIT BULLS.

Posted by: CaroCanesFan | August 24, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 24, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

No Problema Sween,

"peri, sorry for the cheap shot. THIS point is it ... The Owner has NOT (since taking over) figured it out and, unless St. Joe is teaching him how, it HAS to be a GM, and a GM with a longer term vision. It might just be that St. Joe is currently serving that role himself, but the way he talks, he still sounds like he's working within some defined parameters (that do not include a longer term vision)."

IMHO, Unfortunately, "St. Joe" does not believe he is qualified nor capable of being THE personnel guy for the team. Think about it Sween, Jason, the rest of you ... if GIBBS TRULY WANTED THAT wouldn't he have taken the same stance and approach that Marty Schottenheimer the ultimate ego-maniac did? He is the one that "made Vinne go away" now didn't he?

I sincerely doubt, and would very, very surprised to hear that Gibbs would be against a GM arrangement. In fact I believe he would welcome it. He is team president, he is not GM. He is head coach. He is mentoring Snyder in what he knows and can impart. But as they lose and the finger pointing starts I am certain "St. Joe" takes his share of hits. And as president and head coach it is his job to act as buffer for everyone under him. That Joe Gibbs does eminently well. Too well for some folks taste.

Remember he is protecting the troops not just against journalists and the news reading public but he also acts as buffer in front of a very emotional and reactive owner.

So, in the end Snyder himself is the personnel department in charge of acquiring talent for Gibbs to coach. You can tell by
the blunders that were first made when Gibbs arrived. And those made under Spurrier. This year things have markedly improved. That means Gibbs is finally making inroads there.
Snyder is learning to be patient. BUT only so patient.

He now I think understands that the team will only be as good as its draft picks. The better those are the better the team will be long into the future. He now knows that he can't completely correct that through free agency. The fewer mistakes made in the draft the less you have to go to free agency and take the risk of paying someone exorbitant sums for underperforming. I think he sees that now having been burned enough to finally pull those hands out of the flames.

BUT I still believe that Gibbs as president is key to that. If he goes then I believe Snyder will not find someone who cares about the Franchise the way he does, the way Gibbs does. Instead he will find someone who will be less patient with his desire to keep his hand in the mix as far as decision making is concerned. Gibbs is very patient with him. VERY PATIENT.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone makes a big deal about Vick killing dogs, but the Feds who seized his property are now going to kill the 59 dogs they found on his property - now isn't that ironic.

Posted by: Ron Mexico | August 24, 2007 06:55 PM

The government isn't going to electrocute, body slam or shoot any of the dogs. The government is going humanely euthanize the dogs. The dogs have to be euthanized because they cannot be adopted as pets because of their dispostions - dispositions that were created by Vick and his cohorts through training. So in effect, Vick and his pals killed those dogs as well.

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for repeating points previously made.

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

There are two links up here now that clearly show that Heyer was responsible for letting Soup get hurt. Proves two things.

1. Joe Gibbs is a liar who will say whatever he can to protect a player from getting blamed.

2. Jasno has been right all along so lay off of him.

Posted by: Thank God for Kendall and Samuels | August 24, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

You can say that again!

Posted by: Jack Meoff | August 24, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Well put!

Posted by: Anita Dik | August 24, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm thirsty!

Posted by: Al Kaholick | August 24, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Where is that kid from the PDX?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Edible underwear!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Are you high?

Posted by: Isaiah Redd | August 24, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

New England's receiving game is for real. As it turns out, in their very very short time on the field, so is their D.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsween did you see that hit on Steve Smith? Damn that's how you bring the heat.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Deshaun Foster-DeAngelo Williams-Steve Smith. Still, old man Harrison lays lumber.

Wilfork kind of powerful on that punt block, as in locomotive acceleration.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Morris - Maroney - Welker - Stallworth (and Randy Moss isn't even playing).

MAN! Portis-Betts- as the opening syllables HAS to happen; possibilities from there are endless.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Dierdorf is in mid-season form. Mid-season 1985.

Whose idea was it to cut the field into diamonds? Freakin' me out man.

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what's the Jets' side of the story on putting Kendall in the rookie dorms?

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Their is an awful lot of sucking goin on in the RI.......Now you get it, my s#*t is pretty clever

Posted by: Esmydee13 | August 24, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Maske has to be busting hump on this Vick thing. That explains what happened to CynCyty too.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

F Vick. I read the WaPo for 'Skins coverage. I don't read the Journal/Constitution.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Shessh now we get Kid Trolls.

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I think CynCyty is taking some time off. Pre labor day folks are still trying to get out of dodge.

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

This broadcast team on the Patriots game has to be the lamest on TV. The game is much better with no sound.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Almost all football games are better off without sound these days. I'm looking forward to Jaworski's analysis, but most of the rest really stink.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

seriously LH. you can stop now. only crime vick commited in my mind is being stupid.

the more i hear/read about vick the more angry i get about the hypocracy that is the iraq war where innocent blood is being spilled everyday and what's happening in NoLa.

deer=animal
dog=animal
death (not)=life

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

KtKe, Tom Waits is calling this game in the Manor this evening.

Posted by: dcsween | August 24, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

diddy, have you seen strawberry shortcake with her hair pulled back?

mmmmmmm mmmmmmm mmmmmmmm even better! beautiful ears!

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

French ex-Redskin makes good! Gardent's on special teams for Carolina.

I suppose half the posters think we should have gotten a third round pick for him.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmm, Strawberry Shortcake...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Sweet pass by Delhomme.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Picking myself up off the floor. Damn I can't believe I agree with littery. It is really sad that people put more value on a dog life. I was talking with the guy at the Cafe at my job. (his fathter is the owner) It totally shocked me when he said that a dog life is more important to him. At that point I totally lost respect for him. But in America a lot of people feel that way I guess.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

I can understand you not caring for the Redskins because Dan Snyder is a animal! However, I still love the the Skins and would really like it much better if the local writer for the Post was not always looking at our team with the glass half empty. I know they have made very bad decisions in the past and Danny Boy is a real a-whole... but come on give them a chance we have not lost any games this year, at least not yet!!! Go skins!!! Hail to the redskins!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | August 24, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Carolina's got problems. I wouldn't trade the 'Skins problems for Carolina's.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 24, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN Hashmarks:


"I was thinking that the Redskins had one of the best sets of defensive backs in the league and a solid set of linebackers. They have great receivers and awesome running backs (if Portis can stay on the field). With the addition of Kendall from the Jets to bolster the offensive line and a defensive line that is looking more aggressive than it's been in a while, is it possible that these Redskins are a playoff team?"

MM: Ihamos, I must admit to being a lot more intrigued with the Redskins than I was before training camp. A lot of this will hinge on the development of Jason Campbell at quarterback, but I agree that the defense finally appears to be making progress. A big part of the problem last year was the Redskins' inability to generate anything resembling a pass-rush.

I think that will change this season. And yes, with the addition of rookie LaRon Landry, I think the Redskins may end up with the best safety tandem in the league. The people I've talked to said that Sean Taylor was an absolute beast during training camp.

Landry has looked pretty raw at times, but it's obvious he has the ability to make huge plays. I'm not ready to call the Redskins a playoff team, but I definitely have my eye on them.

Posted by: j | August 24, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Sleeper Pick in Fantasy Football...Jason Campbell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/ivp/index?id=2990082&catname=NFL

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

^

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 24, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

littery I will stop when you stop your stream of conscious mumbo jumbo. Deal?

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

LH...

So now Vick is a snitch (Bryant's recent column).

Does Vick have to go in protective custody after giving up all of his dog-fighting buddies?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 24, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

jm220,

I'm not sure it's about the dogs were treated so much. That's the politics that made Vick a target. Its running an illegal gambling operation across state lines. C'mon even an idiot like Vick must have heard about Pete Rose. The guy was asking for trouble. But he thought trouble wouldn't find him because he's Mike Vick, Ron Mexico. Wrong.

Arthur Blank was the wrong guy to leave twisting in the wind. And that's what Vick did. Not to mention the coaches and his teammates. Why do you think Gibbs but mostly Petitbone benched and released Dexter Manley after he turned up dirty on the drug screening? Because he got suspended for that when the team needed him. He left them twisting in the wind.

I don't know why imbeciles like Portis defend the guy. If he was his teammate and got suspended when he, Portis, was depending on him. How do you think he would feel? Now that team has to do the equivalent of NFL "dumpster diving" to find a quarterback. That really sucks and Vick is not worth defending. 47 million is plenty of money for anyone he didn't need to be gambling and dog fighting.

Posted by: peri wrinkle your nose it smells | August 24, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Nice article about Sonny and Sam. Sonny has his own offense and system. LOL Think about it. There's a guy who after serious shoulder injuries and an achilles tendon won the NFL passing crown in 1974 at the age of 40. Throwing side arm with his mobility curtailed. Can Brunell do that?

Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I don't put dogs (or any other anmials) lives ahead of human lives. This Vick thing, to me, is simply a matter of breaking the law and paying for it. I don't think the man should hang. All I ever said was that investigation was not going to end without him taking a hit.

And littery, people like you always try to mix issues. The fact that people are upset about Vick does not mean that they are not interested in other issues. People displayed their opposition to the war by voting people out of office. People have also demonstrated and continue to demonstrate their displeasure with the situation in NOLA. Your problem is with the media which focuses attention on sideshows like the Vick case and other nonsense instead the issues you deem more important.

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

is that all u can talk about is vick and dog fighting. Who cares

Posted by: pathetic | August 24, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The hypocrisy of Iraq? Someone had to defend Israel against an invasion by Iraq or Iran. Its all about the scuds and controlling the majority of the oil supply outside of Russia.

Yeah well Bush listened to the wrong people and now there we are. While most all of the Iraqis who supported the US are leaving the country and immigrating to places like Sweden. Thanks to the Iran-o-philes who stoked Bush Iran will likely take over the place in the next few years after we leave. Then if we want oil we'll have to get over it and talk to them anyway. And Persians can be hard bargainers even when they actually like you.

Posted by: BUSH buys the Redskins from Snyder | August 24, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

peri wrinkle your nose it smells maybe I am not being clear.

I AM NOT DEFENDING VICK! What I have a problem with is people all up in arms over dogs that are being killed and mistreat and not human beings. (NOT THAT I AGREE WITH KILLING DOGS) Go to New Orleans and see first hand for yourself what I seen and heard from the people there. Read how we are losing about 2 soldiers a day. It's not about Vick to me as it is about human suffering. Now I will get off my soap box.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

the more i hear/read about vick the more angry i get about the hypocracy that is the iraq war where innocent blood is being spilled everyday and what's happening in NoLa.

deer=animal
dog=animal
death (not)=life

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 09:43 PM

So are you saying if we just let Vick sadistically kill dogs, the war in Iraq will end and the people in NOLA will be fine?

There is no logic here. These are independent events. Just watch the fn game.

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

SMACK is a philosopher; I've never seen that in a Cowgirls fan before. SMACK has too much education to follow the Cowgirls.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

LH we agree that he should pay a price. I guess I wasn't being clear about that.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

did somebody eat rotten shell fish? this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

FiRsT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

eri, sorry for the cheap shot. THIS point is it ... The Owner has NOT (since taking over) figured it out and, unless St. Joe is teaching him how, it HAS to be a GM, and a GM with a longer term vision.

Yes we all agree that would be best. BUT it took Matt Millen an
awfully long time and a great many mistakes to get it right in Detroit. And that guy really does know how and what it takes to win. He is the living, breathing epitomy of what it takes. Yet even he had problems ... ala Michael Jordan?

So, I think it is possible for Snyder to learn to do this. IF he puts his ego aside. And stops listening to his cadre of very close friends inside his circle like Vinnie. He needs objective opinions from outside. AND I ADMIRE JASON for trying to do that! On his own! I just want to make sure Jason dots all the i's and crosses all the t's so that the arguments or differing opinions he presents are hard to quash as "completely false".

And that is Snyder's problem. He's like Bush he listens only to those people inside his circle. Now look what happened to both of them?

"It might just be that St. Joe is currently serving that role himself, but the way he talks, he still sounds like he's working within some defined parameters (that do not include a longer term vision)."

AS I said I would really be surprised to hear Gibbs admit to that. I have never once heard him say that. He isn't a dolt like Marty. He knows his limitations. That's one reason why he's been so successful in 2 major sports. I believe that Gibbs and his cadre of highly experienced coaches offer that outside, objective viewpoint. The problem I see is that Snyder and company really didn't listen. They paid lip service to it but that is all. But this year I think was different. Gibbs I believe had more control over what deals the owner would or would not make for the team.

Look at players Gibbs went after: Brunell, Campbell ... look at the players he raves endlessly about like Thrash. These are character players. Can anyone really believe that JJ Gibbs, who thinks Thrash walks on water, went after Jason Campbell would go to Snyder and ask him to get a Brandon Lloyd. Sorry but I think anyone who believes that has been smoking magic mushrooms.


Posted by: periculum | August 24, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

That's because SMACK is really a Skins fan. Come back to the light SMACK and leave the dark side alone. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brunell cartoon | August 24, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

You all are too funny!

Posted by: Jack Meoff | August 24, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: pathetic | August 24, 2007 10:14 PM

Congratulations. The first step in overcoming a problem is being able to admit you have one.

Posted by: LH | August 24, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey all you Redskins fans! If you want to see how a team is correctly run, and how a team correctly rebuilds, attend a few Caps games this year.

Posted by: george mcphee | August 24, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Man, the 4th quarter of this Carolina/NE game is riveting.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

smack, thank you. i had no idea. and i'm not watching the game. i wish i was. but i am not.

lh, thank you for the enlightenment.

yes, i deleted the damn post that i written in response to this.

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm no point in tuning to the game now right?

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The Panthers cheerleaders look fabulous tonight. Reason enough to watch, if you ask me...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 24, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Where is Nate? We could use some thong and panties posts up here. Way too much BS goin' on.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

how did tom brady do?

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I just tuned in late, but it's 24-7 NE, so he must have done okay, unless they've been piling on late.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Diddy. That's what I'm talkin' bout.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

when the blog needed him the most, Barney was nowhere to be found. Deputy Fife let the blog down, shame on you Barney.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady had two touchdowns and two babies tonight.

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Pulldownclaw check earlier post for Nate update

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Was that during halftime? Diddy did say the cheerleaders were lookin' good....

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and it was a Cardinals' cheerleader. That guy gets around.

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

screw this, where the hoes at?

Posted by: Peg | August 24, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

thanks smack.

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

If you aren't watching Washington Post Live you need to. Easily the best local sports show on television.

And you can watch it online:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2007/03/19/VI2007031900886.html

Great stuff.

Posted by: CMoney | August 24, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, jm. Still, seems like he's taking a break. I don't blame him, the BAMA patrol's been up here the last few days.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if Nate was posting as someone else to see what the reaction would be? Would he get the same respect posting as some random? Maybe he is posting as Jack's kids...just a thought...

Posted by: RBD202 | August 24, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. Has anyone done any sociology studies on blogs yet?

Oh yeah, and I hope that the Skins score more points than the other teams this year.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

My name is Nate. To me of 20 years.
I would like to get acquainted with you if you not against.
I Look forward to hear you soon with impatience. Adult Dating[url=http://toplop.com/?idAff=59]Adult Dating[/url]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 24, 2007 06:09 AM

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

another sociological experiment:
why is JM220 always online and not out having fun, meeting girls etc? besides going to NOLA to volunteer and hiding his blogging from his boss seems like a lame lifestyle

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

For the last time, can you all please stop using the word "Bama" in an offensive way?

Posted by: Lisa | August 24, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

speaking of being home every weekend night...here's Lisa

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"Bama"

Can you send me to the corner now? LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

What are you doing home tonight anon? Tired of having fun all the time?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

another sociological experiment:
why is JM220 always online and not out having fun, meeting girls etc? besides going to NOLA to volunteer and hiding his blogging from his boss seems like a lame lifestyle

Posted by: | August 24, 2007 11:21 PM

Since you are here making statements about me. I guess that makes you even lammer than me.

Posted by: jm220 | August 24, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone checked out the pathetic Ravens' Blog at The Sun: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/

RI kicks ass.

Posted by: CMoney | August 24, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Am I allowed to say I'm "siced" about this season?

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

CM
That is lame but must be written by a homer - I want to see this... I want to see that happen...Maybe JLA wrote it...HA JK

Posted by: RBD202 | August 24, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

PDC
Yes you can

Posted by: RBD202 | August 24, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

They call Alabama the Crimson Tide!

Posted by: Deacon Blues | August 24, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

seriously jm
do you ever leave this blog?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, if you are asking JM if he ever leavess the blog, you would have to be on here all the time as well...right??? At least JM posts his name.

And as for me blogging at 11:30 at night...for all the hell you know I could have just got home. Not that it's any of your business.

Posted by: Lisa | August 24, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

WOW! bill mahr is discussing vick ... and he has michel martin, wife of vick's attorney...

smack, watch it. whatever michel martin is saying is MONEY!

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

smack, just watch it! even the white republican is on my side.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE???!! :)

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

dammit littery I forgot it was on tonight. Too much excitement here I guess. Crap!

Posted by: SMACK | August 24, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, baby I can't take this anymore. let's just tell them! she was with ME!!! okay??? sorry jm.

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"only preschoolers and mental patients wore crocks!" LMGO!

Posted by: littery | August 24, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

This FO takes way to much flack...we're not the best franchise but not the worst. I freakin' hate Sportstalk 980. B-Mitch was good but he has an ax to grind and his negativity has now become part of his schitck...and "smokin" Al Coken...well that moron has probably has never put on a uniform to play chess.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 24, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

We'll all just eventually go to the mall in a diaper. Which reminds me of this...

http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/archive/pearls-20070822.html

Posted by: SMACK | August 25, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

SMACK LMGO

Only in your dream littery. No matter how crazy they are. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Cindy and supporters of Jasno and this blog:

Enough of this juvenile crap! We this blog to be like the commenting requirements on the WashPo articles where the username you're logged in with is displayed. That will cut down on this unwarranted and childish attacks on Jasno and other bloggers who want to carry on real conversations--even if there are spirited debates.

Posted by: Not Anonymous | August 25, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

NotAnon, it won't really help much... it's so easy to get a new email address, use that to register, and then post the same old SJK.

Sure, it adds a little time to their quest for idiocy, but these guys don't exactly act like they're crushed for time.
[Until mom tells them it's time to log off]

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 25, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm torn. I've never posted under anyone else's username. I wouldn't do that. But Wile E Coyote and other stupid sjk like that. Yes I am guilty of that.

But not 47vnteehrdfht or any sjk like that.

Posted by: SMACK | August 25, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

"Am I allowed to say I'm "siced" about this season? ..."

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:29 PM

You TOTALLY can. Well, say it that way anyway. [but the spelling might have an p-s-y in it tho]

SMACK, vnteehrdfht ... is that some fancy Dallas, or even Dallas-Dutch, word?

Hey, does anyone know the the Jets' side of the story on putting Kendall in the rookie dorms?

Posted by: dcsween | August 25, 2007 2:00 AM | Report abuse

"Am I allowed to say I'm "siced" about this season? ..."

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | August 24, 2007 11:29 PM

You TOTALLY can. Well, say it that way anyway. [but the spelling might have an p-s-y in it tho]

SMACK, vnteehrdfht ... is that some fancy Dallas, or even Dallas-Dutch, word?


Posted by: dcsween | August 25, 2007 02:00 AM
--------------
Actually, dcsween, it's pretty well-known urban slang for "pysched."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2007 3:01 AM | Report abuse

POSTED 8:42 p.m. EDT, August 24, 2007

BILLS EXTEND SCHOBEL

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the Buffalo Bills have signed defensive end Aaron Schobel to a contract extension.

Ripping up a deal that ran through 2009, the Bills have given Schobel a seven-year deal with $21 million in guaranteed money and a total value of $50.5 million.

Included within the guarantee are the full base salaries in 2007, 2008, and 2009, along with $6 million in salary in 2010.

Under his prior contract, Schobel was scheduled to earn base salaries of $2.5 million in 2007, $2.5 million in 2008, and $3 million in 2009.

Schobel was a second-round draft pick in 2001, and has 60.5 career sacks. He has started in every game since the 2002 season.

Though Schobel arguably was worthy of a new deal, the decision to re-do the contract with three seasons remaining could cause other players with multiple years remaining on their own contracts to ask for more money sooner.

Posted by: The Crickets | August 25, 2007 3:14 AM | Report abuse

My Balls Itch

Posted by: Late Night | August 25, 2007 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Yeah that's right fellers! we have Mr. Wade and I hand picked his assistants myself...We are gonna shock the world I tell ya...even though teams have films On Tony now..Don't fret he is the reaaall deal boy yeehaw....I tell ya folks..here we come...Myself, Mr. Wade and Mr. Jason G. Are gonna take this team to heights that Bill Parcells could not! I tell Ya folks Believe it...It's the God awful truth.....WEll AT Least I convinced the media anyway!

Posted by: Jerry Jones | August 25, 2007 4:00 AM | Report abuse

I love me some cashew chicken!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 25, 2007 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | August 25, 2007 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey, for all you haters, check out what Lavveranues Coles told the New York Times about the Redskins' front office:

Receiver Laveranues Coles, who played two seasons with the Redskins before being traded back to the Jets, the team that drafted him, was asked what Kendall could expect.

"The great thing over there I would say is they're going to take care of the guys," Coles said. "That's the type organization they have. They take care of the players. It's a players-first organization. Everything's first-class. I'm sure it's a great situation for him."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/24/sports/football/24kendall.html?_r=1&ref=football&oref=slogin

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 5:58 AM | Report abuse

dcsween--

The answer to your question -- what's the Jets' side of putting Kendall in the rookie dorm at minicamp -- is the usual: "an honest mistake."

"I heard about the "rookie dorms." There is no conspiracy theory here. There is no grassy knoll. I didn't send out secret agents. There was a mix up. It was fixed. It's been changed. The dorms are about 100 feet apart from each other."

And Jason complains because he thinks that Joe Gibbs isn't telling it like it is?

http://www.nysportsday.com/news/jets/1185606954.php

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 6:25 AM | Report abuse

A wee bit intoxicated at this hour, but bored to tears. Totally struck out at the bar tonight. Hrmph.

Lisa, why is "Bama" offensive? Not questioning, just curious.

We're heading up to Vancouver tomorrow for an impromptu bachelor party, so I won't be able to join in the live blog festivities for the 'Skins game. Please God, make sure JC, Portis, Moss, Cooley, and Jansen don't play. Please no injuries. And please God, let Roger Goodell come to his senses and eliminate this preseason nonsense. In any event, I hope everyone has a blast, and I sincerely hope everyone takes JLaC to task for being an unabashed homer...for the Ravens :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | August 25, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I can't even read this blog. Compared to the Wiz/Ivan blog, 90% of the bloggers on this Skins/Jason blog are complete morons or 10-12 years old. What a waste.

Posted by: oddjob | August 25, 2007 7:10 AM | Report abuse

oddjob--

Yep, that's about the size of it. RI is open to everyone but seems to be dumbing down to the lower 30% of the population in age, IQ, maturity, and -- probably -- personal hygiene. Any suggestions on what we should do to be more like Ivan's blog? Any way we could get most of our posters to join you over there?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy, I think Lisa might be from Alabama originally. Something like that.

urban slang? oops. I need to get out more (which is an excuse I KNOW will work with the missus).

Nice story about Suisham by a new writer. Not sure if this one is the intern (who I thought had a different name) or a new tryout for beat writer.

Posted by: dcsween | August 25, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I have the perfect solution to all of the Redskins woes. The Redskins need to hire all of the Washington Post writers to coach the team and run the personnel dept. Then every personnel move would be a perfect success. Their keen insight into football and leadership abilities would no no doubt inspire players to a whole new level and nothing bad would ever happen. Of course they are a bit light on real actual experience, but then who needs that when you can can lead by opinion after the fact. Jasno for team President! Lets role.

Posted by: Keith Miller | August 25, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

The reason they signed Kendall was they didn't have enough Jets on the roster. They have Thomas and Moss, but Fabrini probably doesn't make the team. And with Hall gone they just didn't have enough Jets. We should watch the waiver wire and see who the Jets let go in the next two weeks.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 25, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I think the reason they signed Kendall is because the Jets have a screwed up front office. They got themselves into a bind with Kendall, wouldn't pay them what they'd promised, treated him like a rookie, and then had to trade him. The same is true with most of the other Jets that the 'Skins hired.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Remember all that talk about trading for Bills DE Schoebel??? Not going to happen anytime soon:

Pro Bowl defensive end Aaron Schobel signed a contract extension with the Buffalo Bills on Friday that is potentially worth about $50.5 million over the seven-year deal.

The deal includes $20 million in guaranteed money and locks Schobel up through 2013, extending his current contract for four additional years. The new deal was reached after Schobel earned his first Pro Bowl selection last season, and now makes him the team's highest-paid player.

Posted by: Rob | August 25, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Bama is offensive in the same way that Yankee or carpetbagger is offensive. Both are pejoratives that stereotype a group of people based on geographical location.

Sort of like yesterday when I was accused of being a hillbilly because I live in SC.

But like JLC says, I'm a big boy, I can take it. I just try to avoid the plaid shorts, which is just asking for trouble.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 25, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

dcsween and SCSkinsfan have it right about the word "bama" and the fact that I am originally from Alabama. So, yes I find it offensive.

Posted by: Lisa | August 25, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

How long will Collins/Brunell play?

I hope they give the kid at least a quarter, heck even the second half. The 'Skins need to start grooming a long-term backup for JC.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 25, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

You know, one of the best shows they ever had on DC radio was The Bama Hour, Saturday mornings, on WPFW. Jerry Washington was the host and he played his own records, many of them 78 rpm -- jazz and blues from the early days.

The music kept the show moving but what I always listened for was The Bama telling stories in his deep, rich, Alabama accent, about the music and his life.

Jerry Washington wore the name Bama with grace and pride, and ever since I've thought of the word as a compliment, not an insult. But, I understand why others wouldn't.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

SCSkinsfan, who is "the kid" you are referring to? Palmer?

I think Collins will play the first half or even 3 quarters and Brunell will play most of the 4th with Palmer coming in with 2 minutes left in the game. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Lisa | August 25, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm from Virginia and I find Virgins offensive

Posted by: SJ9s | August 25, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

You do the Wizards blog. Do you agree with Oddjob "I can't even read this blog. Compared to the Wiz/Ivan blog, 90% of the bloggers on this Skins/Jason blog are complete morons or 10-12 years old. What a waste."

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Sween,

Camille Powell has been a sports writer for the WP for awhile. I think her current beat is the ravens.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 25, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Bama is a DC term to say someone is not fashionable, not 'in', or someone that does some stupid stuff.They are bamas.

It prob originated because someone from Alabama (not named Lisa) came up here to the area and looked so out of place. So they (DC people) prob associated 'Bamas (peeps from the state) with being out of touch/style/place (what we call bamas).

example - This Bama A$$ MF thinks he's all that.

DCSween - Siced was spelled the right way the 1st time. There isn't any 'ph' in siced. I never thought about it, but it may have orriginated from 'phsyched' (sp?).

Posted by: 4th | August 25, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Do you think maybe the WaPo is trying out a switch of beats -- Jasno to Charm City and Camille Powell to DC?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

redskins will never be successful until they hire ernie grunfeld as GM...he's a real GM...patient and i'm sure he's a professional poker player...he also seems like he'd be smart enough to make the transition

Posted by: jjmat84 | August 25, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

jjmat84--

Ernie Grunfield? Remind me again how many titles he's brought to Washington? Ah, patience.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 25, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, the term "bama" is so ingrained among the DC-area's native black populace that there is no way it is going to disappear from this blog. I doubt that most people who use it even associate it with the state of Alabama. It's commonly used now as a personal pronoun without any negative connotation unless of course you are seleceted as the "Bama of the Week, Week, Week, Week."

Posted by: LH | August 25, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

My vote is for Chris Larry as "Bama of the Week, Week, Week, Week."

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Is our game on tv for the crew from outside the DC area tonight?

Looks like there are plenty of bamas on this blog now. I tried reading through this string but there was too much 1st, you suck JLC and stupid sh*t like Brunell makes 47M. Annoying.

Posted by: cdubb | August 25, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Im not giving a flag on the play for the taint discussion last evening, but definately one on all y'all for using BAMA (i know that is PDC's word to use) and especially siced... wow, a good 8 years old. Almoist as bad as 'fresh' and 'phunkadelic'... maybe even boombastic!!

For those urbanly challenged

Siced (psy-st) - meaning to be excited or 'psyched' about a particular event or happening

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Zebra
You don't let us have any fun! Stumping out of the room. LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Z, "sice is local slang and is more than 20 years old. Rare Essence and other go-go bands were using "sice" back when I was in high school.

I think I'll put on my RE at the Panarama Room circa '85.

"Can we sice 'em on up now?
Sice 'em on up. Sice 'em on up."

Posted by: LH | August 25, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: D Macklin | August 25, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Jason, it is time to shut this blog. it has no purpose other than to give a bunch of idiots a forum to spew garbage. My apologies to the few sincere bloggers.

Posted by: JGibbs | August 25, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, I do not agree with Oddjob about this blog and the Wiz. I like the fact the Wiz beat reporter, Ivan Carter, is up close and personal with the players and actually gets inside the locker room. Of course, I'm sure it's much easier to do that with a 15 man roster. However, it seems to me that many of the Wizards bloggers just want to trade the players away - and we have a winning team! Also, that horrible DCMan88 should be banned forever.

Posted by: Lisa | August 25, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Well LH, it definately had a come back during my highschool years in the early 90's... so for me 12 - 14 years ago... shti in 85 I was 7, and I had not discovered my urban roots yet... If anyone remembers Q107 or 105 WAVA, that was what I grew up to...

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

And JM, I dont mean to kill your fun, have at it, but theres gotta be a flag on the old school slang, bringning it back and teaching the new school... us older peeps might get it, but we just look old to the new school! ;)

Posted by: Zebra | August 25, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Lisa, I meant playing Palmer in the second half tonight.

Wow, he has great size at 6'6", 230 lbs.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 25, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

2007 NFL predictions.... Star Wars style!!

http://18to88.com/Articles/starwars2007.htm

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 25, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

last post

Posted by: wangbot3000 | August 25, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Is Camille Powell the new mate for Jasno? If so we demand a picture. and an appearance on this blog.

Posted by: littery | August 25, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

btw any relations to the man who SHOULD've been the next president (after clinton) if it weren't for the gosh darn bush connections. and the friggin fear that "america" wasn't ready for a "black" president.

yes, i'm talking about Colin Powell.

Posted by: littery | August 25, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"Remember all that talk about trading for Bills DE Schoebel??? Not going to happen anytime soon"

We all knew that when he showed up for the OTA's and minicamp. Levi must have told him that he would take care of him. Meanwhile the bears made a trade to get their disgruntled tackle.

Jason was right Schobel would have been a good pick up. But he fits into the category of a good veteran free agent pick up. Whereas Darwin Walker fell into the category of digruntled underachieving veteran. The Skins appear to now, finally, be avoiding these.

I think the Kendall and Godfrey pickups fall more under the former than the latter. Their teams disrespected them. The Jets put Kendall into a rookie dorm. Yet he still showed up. The same is true of Godfrey. His former team came back and offered him a contract. I suspect that Norv was the culprit there perhaps. Based on what we've gleaned so far both Norv and Mangini will be very, very sorry. The Jets decided to go with Jacob Bender from Dematha. The Chargers with Wilhelm and Cooper.

Perhaps we will finally look like the guys who made the smarter choice?

Posted by: periculum | August 25, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan LMAO!! Man that ws great. But you know it was so wrong to call The Dan Jabba. LMGO The weather was great today

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I always assumed when people used Bama to talk about U of Ala losers and not just 'bamians as a people. As long as you didn't go to U of A, you're not a Bama to me, even if you have a banjo on your knee. Course, if you're a Tiger, come and see me sometime.

Posted by: War Damn Eagle | August 25, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

The Devil fools with the best laid plan.

Posted by: Neil Young | August 25, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

hey there....back from a wretched weekend. a friend has discovered that her breast cancer has returned, in her bones.
i am beyond ready for some fubball....oh, and camille is not joining the skins; she was just helping out. she's on ravens till georgetown's season begins.

Posted by: Cindy | August 25, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about your friend Cyn. Great to have you back

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, that is terrible....

War Damn Eagle, I am an Auburn Tiger....

Posted by: Lisa | August 25, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be interesting if Nate was posting as someone else to see what the reaction would be? Would he get the same respect posting as some random? Maybe he is posting as Jack's kids...just a thought...

Posted by: RBD202 | August 24, 2007 11:10 PM


Hit the nail on the head, 100% chance he couldn't go 1 hour without this thing. he is still here, you can bet the ranch on that. but, in the end, who really gives a rats asss anyway?


Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

All it takes is one "sic em" thread on ES and this place turns into the same ignorant rambling wreck of a place too. Danny should buy the Post and clean it up, ha ha.

Posted by: RD | August 25, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, gang. Good to be back!

Posted by: Cindy | August 25, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Cyn can we get a new post before the game?

Posted by: jm220 | August 25, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Jason'll post a new one in about 20 minutes. Waiting for scratches.....

Posted by: Cindy | August 25, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Buges just depressed me......he said it will be a ROUGH night for us. Indicated that Ladell will only play a few snaps and that a lot of the young players will get an opportunity. Expects it to be a hard night. Plus it looks like a storm is coming.

Posted by: Lisa | August 25, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | August 25, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cindy | August 25, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

new post up ... will need to wait for a while tonight.

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