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Kiper projects Clausen as Redskins' first-round draft pick

In his latest mock draft, ESPN uber-analyst Mel Kiper has moved Jimmy Clausen ahead of Sam Bradford on his big board - and now pegs the former Notre Dame quarterback as the Redskins' first-round draft pick.

It's an interesting move, and you can't help but wonder what information Kiper is using to make such a projection. Several people have told us that Clausen doesn't look like a top pick and even ESPN's fellow draftnik Todd McShay projects that Clausen will be the 36th pick. At any rate, Kiper seems convinced that the Redskins are targeting a quarterback with that No. 4 pick, and he still thinks Bradford is a possibility. However, he thinks it's more likely that Bradford will go to Seattle at No. 6.

Kiper projects Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh as the draft's top pick, going to St. Louis. He has no offensive linemen projected ahead of Clausen. Kiper participated in a conference call with reporters today, talking for nearly two hours. Check back later this afternoon to hear what Kiper says about the Redskins, their draft options and how the presence of Mike Shanahan might affect draft strategy.

By Rick Maese  |  February 17, 2010; 12:39 PM ET
 
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On a completely unrelated note, does anybody have any rope and maybe a stool I can borrow?

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

That's cause Kiper is a moron.

No need to worry, RI, this is good news. Hes always wrong.

RED - I was thinking more mainstream chicks for the rack contest... XXX industry excluded.... (*cough Briana cough Jenna cough*)

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ugh... If the best option with the number 4 pick is really Clausen (which I doubt) then they should trade down and pick up another second or third rounder. If they miss out on Clausen with a later pick, how about an O-line man and Javhid Best?

If they wanted an undersized QB with leadership ability and brains they should have held on to Chase Daniel. Clausen is a huge reach at #4. Please don't do that.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | February 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is an idiot and all these mock drafts are completely worthless. The only thing that changed from last week is that now Clausen won't be participating in the combine. So does not working out raise your draft stock? I should be at least a first rounder then...

Posted by: BostonWarPath | February 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is a boner biter.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If they wanted an undersized QB with leadership ability and brains they should have held on to Chase Daniel. Clausen is a huge reach at #4. Please don't do that.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | February 17, 2010 1:09 PM

Chase Daniel: 5'10
Jimmy Clausen: 6'3

Clausen is not 6'0. I wouldn't want him if he was 6'6. NEED OL! Our OL is worse than the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

doesnt clausen going at #36 mean he goes in the second round to the skins?

that would be nice.

Posted by: mopp04 | February 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

McShay > Kiper

Bradford > Clausen

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Let's hope thise doesn't come to fruition.

Posted by: JamWhitt | February 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper's source was probably Lou Holtz

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Worthless information until we see what the 'Skins do in free agency...

Posted by: tony325 | February 17, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Kiper's a moron, and, drafting a QB is exactly what you would expect a new coach/GM combo to do.

On the other hand....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... not this year. If there are no OL's, CB's or RB's worth the #4 pick then for god's sake trade down and don't draft a mediocre QB with it.

Posted by: jksesq1 | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

They're going to trade the pick.

None of the QB's in this draft are worthy of that #4 pick.

They can trade down, get more picks, and still end up with a quality OT who can start right away.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Tina Cervasio, Heidi Watney, local sports network reporters, both very pretty women...

Yeah, and I'd put more stock in my PFT copy and pastes, than Kiper getting this right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Smh.... You people are idiots why don't you just wait and see and furthermore you guys are expecting this to be a winning season thus is going to be a rebulding year 8-8 is what you should pray for you f*ing morons every last one of you !!!!!

Posted by: bsilvanus | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

When they do the interview with Jimmy, the first question they should ask is.. "How well do you throw from your backside?" Cause without an OL, that's where he'll be spending most of his time... ask Campbell.

Posted by: HollywoodPlayboy | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

If it's Clausen, that's proof Snyder is still calling the shots. The Redskin's need OL before any other position. If it's Clausen, Portis will need an armed escort.

There will be some good QB's left in R2!

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Kiper's a moron, and, drafting a QB is exactly what you would expect a new coach/GM combo to do.

Posted by: jksesq1 | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM

Especially when it's widely perceived that your incumbent QB is inept.

I've got to believe that Allen and Shanahan would love for everyone to think that they're intent on drafting a QB at #4. Unless -- of course -- they really plan to draft a QB at #4.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

this would just be too funny if it happens

Posted by: funkey | February 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You gotta wonder what goes on in Kiper's head ... other than pushing out a hair helmet.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is like the weatherman of NFL prognosticators.. Making a living off of being wrong more than half the time.

Skins, please pass on both QBs..
Bradford will be injured after his first shoulder plant, into the turf, at NFL speed (and weight). And Clausen is not an upper tier 1st pick.

Trade down and recover the Jarmon 3rd rnd pick and others if possible. The 3rd round will have tremendous early-entry bargains.
Might even be worth giving up some mid round 2011 Draft picks for 2010 picks.. 2011 will be thin in talent, after the 1st round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Smh.... You people are idiots why don't you just wait and see and furthermore you guys are expecting this to be a winning season thus is going to be a rebulding year 8-8 is what you should pray for you f*ing morons every last one of you !!!!!

Posted by: bsilvanus | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM |

A guy that has no idea how to use punctuation is calling others a moron...classic. Periods a nd commas are your friend a$$bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of porn:

http://www.yardbarker.com/author/article_external/2091394?widget=true

Sad if true, because that broad is busted!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

... and, drafting a QB is exactly what you would expect a new coach/GM combo to do.

Posted by: jksesq1 | February 17, 2010 1:24 PM

... or what you would expect a team "led" by Mark Bulger to do. I'm subscribing to the more recent conventional wisdom that not only do the Rams NOT draft Suh but instead draft a QB, but also that Suh will not even be the first DT drafted.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

doesnt clausen going at #36 mean he goes in the second round to the skins?

that would be nice.

Posted by: mopp04 | February 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Drafting Clausen @ #36 makes more sense than @ #4. He's a good QB, not elite. Question..entering the draft, who would you consider the better pro prospect: Quinn or Clausen?

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Deisel44 said:
Chase Daniel: 5'10
Jimmy Clausen: 6'3

I was referring to this article by John Keim in the Wahington Examiner... Maybe it's true, maybe not, but if he's lying about 3 inches, I think we'll find out soon enough.

"If the Redskins want to draft a quarterback with the fourth overall pick, they'd better hope Sam Bradford is still available. Especially if they desire Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen, says one former college scout for an NFL team. And he's not alone: more and more, analysts peg him as a guy who should not be drafted in the top 10.

The former college scout said Clausen would be a good choice for the Redskins -- with the 36th overall pick. The big problem he has with Clausen? He predicted that Clausen will measure shorter at the scouting combine than his listed height of 6-foot-3; this scout predicted he'll be closer in size to Drew Brees, who is a shade under 6-feet. It also doesn't help Clausen's case that he had a poor record as a starter and did not beat a ranked opponent in his time at Notre Dame. The scout also said that Brady Quinn was a more attractive candidate because of his intelligence, size -- he's just bigger than Clausen -- and character. Yet he wasn't drafted until the 22nd pick in the first round. So why would Clausen go higher?

That said, there is a lot to like about Clausen, who improved his decision-making and accuracy this season.

After watching more film of Clausen the other day, the scout said, "He showed a very strong command of their offensive system, as well as outstanding poise and toughness in his play. He is a very good overall athlete for the position."

He likes that he is quick enough to slide within the pocket and roll away from pressure to buy more time -- like Brees. Clausen, though, is not a "special athlete who can threaten a defense with his legs. He is an undersized passer with very good mobility."

Clausen has excellent passing mechanics and did a nice job carrying out fakes and running play-action. He also has a quick release and a tight delivery without wasted motion and good arm strength.

"He can throw with both excellent touch and accuracy," the scout said.

In time, Clausen could prove to be a good quarterback. But it's why he should not be taken in the top 10; maybe not even in the first round. However, if Washington gets him with its second-round pick, it could prove to be a smart choice.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Clausen-shouldnt-be-first-round-option-84388987.html#ixzz0forueYMk

Posted by: bigfoot1 | February 17, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

For once, everybody who's posted a comment is on the same page! What does that tell the Skins? Granted, we're not "experts," bue it doesn't take an expert or a genius to see that Skins #1, absolute top priority HAS to be OL!!! I truly hope Kiper is wrong, as he often is, even though he never acknowledges it on air.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Mayock > Kiper > McShay

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

as someone who is follically challenged, I've got nothing bad to say about Kipers hair....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I will turn in my redskins fan card for good if they take Clausen #4. The Last Straw.

Posted by: nford2 | February 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"It's an interesting move, and you can't help but wonder what information Kiper is using to make such a projection."


Kiper's Sources:

a. Mike Mayock's urine stain found against a wall outside NFL Network Studio offices.

b. cloud formations

c. the explored entrails of a slaughtered cowboys' fan

d. the 3rd idea after the second bong hit

e. Gil Brandt's discarded snot rags

f. the opposite of whatever sensible person who project for a team.


Moe goes with 'f' as a sensible person remembers the colt personnel guy who said that Kiper didn't know jack.

And since that claim, the colts have done a lil bit better than Kiper.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd be fine with taking Clausen at #36. I just want Russel Okung at #4. I don't care much after that as long as we get good players. Whether you like JC or not TC is leaving so whether or not JC is here we'll still need another QB. I think our needs are LT, RT, RG, C QB, RB, LB, FS in that order. As long as we pick the best overall prospect in those positions of need then I'm happy.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, Beantown is follocally challenged? I'm not sure what mental image I had of you before, but now I'm just seeing a contrarian bald bama :)

A hearty NO to this Clausen person, or anyone playing the QB position, as our top pick.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

4th, Kiper's on point more than McShay?

Yeah, you're such a bama ass "maggot farmer" for that one.

And from what I hear, the Dude Mayock is the only "draft expert" that doesn't have Suh as the top rated DL, what's up with that?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

How many picks did Kiper have correct last year in the first round, I think it was between 2-4.

I can make a first round list and do just as well as any of those guys.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 17, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I can see the 'Skins drafting Clausen and making a trade to draft Golden Tate. Of course, if this were to happen they should have hired Charlie Wies to be their Offensive Coordinator.

The 'Skins need, in order, OL, DL, secondary. They will fill holes with non drafted free agents after the draft - another WR or 3, a couple RB's and at least 1 QB.

Jason will be back next year to take a beating so the drafted QB can learn the new offense while the OL either gets older and even more useless or the younger guys grow into NFL players.

Re: Clausen, I wouldn't take him top 10, but there is something to be said about a guy who can win. Sometimes you have to toss out the standard measurements and look at gile and heart. Brennan, in the right circumstances, could be a good QB. The kid they drafted last year could be a good QB. You just aren't going to find a Manning or Brady every draft, but lots of teams win with QB's who know how to control a game and don't make the bad choice. Dilfer in Baltimore is a good example. Rypien in Washington is another (Of course the 'Skins were loaded for bear when Ryp was the QB)

Posted by: tzj20874 | February 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I can see the 'Skins drafting Clausen and making a trade to draft Golden Tate. Of course, if this were to happen they should have hired Charlie Wies to be their Offensive Coordinator.

The 'Skins need, in order, OL, DL, secondary. They will fill holes with non drafted free agents after the draft - another WR or 3, a couple RB's and at least 1 QB.

Jason will be back next year to take a beating so the drafted QB can learn the new offense while the OL either gets older and even more useless or the younger guys grow into NFL players.

Re: Clausen, I wouldn't take him top 10, but there is something to be said about a guy who can win. Sometimes you have to toss out the standard measurements and look at gile and heart. Brennan, in the right circumstances, could be a good QB. The kid they drafted last year could be a good QB. You just aren't going to find a Manning or Brady every draft, but lots of teams win with QB's who know how to control a game and don't make the bad choice. Dilfer in Baltimore is a good example. Rypien in Washington is another (Of course the 'Skins were loaded for bear when Ryp was the QB)

Posted by: tzj20874 | February 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I can see the 'Skins drafting Clausen and making a trade to draft Golden Tate. Of course, if this were to happen they should have hired Charlie Wies to be their Offensive Coordinator.

The 'Skins need, in order, OL, DL, secondary. They will fill holes with non drafted free agents after the draft - another WR or 3, a couple RB's and at least 1 QB.

Jason will be back next year to take a beating so the drafted QB can learn the new offense while the OL either gets older and even more useless or the younger guys grow into NFL players.

Re: Clausen, I wouldn't take him top 10, but there is something to be said about a guy who can win. Sometimes you have to toss out the standard measurements and look at gile and heart. Brennan, in the right circumstances, could be a good QB. The kid they drafted last year could be a good QB. You just aren't going to find a Manning or Brady every draft, but lots of teams win with QB's who know how to control a game and don't make the bad choice. Dilfer in Baltimore is a good example. Rypien in Washington is another (Of course the 'Skins were loaded for bear when Ryp was the QB)

Posted by: tzj20874 | February 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Sources: Chargers shopping Cromartie for RB"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4920302

Go do it Shanny, get it done!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this is a smoke screen, and some team who is hard up for a QB will trade picks with us to get that 4 pick. If we draft Clausen, and he starts I think we have worse than a 4-12 record coming.

Russell Okung is THE ONLY option with that pick.

Anything else would be uncivilized.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This line "Clausen has excellent passing mechanics and did a nice job carrying out fakes and running play-action. He also has a quick release and a tight delivery without wasted motion and good arm strength."

Brings up an interesting question for me. Where do people up here up scrambling ability in looking at a QB in todays NFL?

For example if a QB runs and nets +50 yards in a game on the ground and throws for 200, how would you compare that to a QB that throws for 300 but takes 3 or 4 sacks?

I feel that the NFL is clearly back in the classic passing QB mode now, after an era where we loved scrambling QB's.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I have grown to not like Kiper, but I have never liked McShay from Day One when they trotted him out there.....

I don't know where they compare but I think McShay AND Kiper missed on alot of 1st rounders....

Re: Suh not #1. Listen to da MAn. HE knows what he's talking about. HE had Orakpo and Cushing pegged correctly last year.

Then Kiper and McShay proceeded to put McCoy @ #1 as well.....2 weeks after Mayock.....

According to Mayock, Suh and McCoy play 2 different DT positions and that McCoy may have better stats because of the overall....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

flounder21

"I can make a first round list and do just as well as any of those guys (Kiper)."

But do have have Kiper's haircut, though?

Without that, you're kinda like Samson after a visit to the barber.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I like the fact that the analysts cannot agree on who the Redskins will pick. It shows that Allen and Shanahan are not going to show their cards. Analysts may infer some things because of free agent signings, players cut, etc., but they really won't know, and neither will the GM's from other teams. I think this can help on draft day. Teams will be a little eager to trade into the Redskins' spot for fear of the Redskins taking their guy.

I have to believe that Shanahan understands the quality of the QB's in the draft and will wait instead of taking a player too early.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

No thanks on Cromartie. Another Asante Samuel without half the instincts and a poorer tackler than DeAngelo Hall.

His cousin Rogers-Cromartie or whatever he is, is better anyway.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Big whoop. Who cares.

In 2 weeks, Kiper is going to change the projection.

And then 2 weeks after that he'll change it again.

And again.

And again.

And with every adjustment, Kiper will have a conference call with reporters and a fresh bit on TV to talk about it...

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

For once, everybody who's posted a comment is on the same page! What does that tell the Skins? Granted, we're not "experts," bue it doesn't take an expert or a genius to see that Skins #1, absolute top priority HAS to be OL!!! I truly hope Kiper is wrong, as he often is, even though he never acknowledges it on air.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM
===================================
sadly nyskinsdiehard...
OLINE is exactly what everyone was screaming this time last year, and the year before. But, Vinny thought BPA "best player(s) available" drafting, the last two years, would show his "GM genius".. Thankfully, as one upside, it contributed to showing him to the door.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Sources: Chargers shopping Cromartie for RB"

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4920302

Go do it Shanny, get it done!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


Yeah.

Maybe they'll take Ladell Betts.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I just love Kipper and his big BORED! Yawn.

Posted by: pjente | February 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Last year everyone had Tyson Jackson pegged in the range from pick #10 to pick #25...except Kiper. He had him projected to go #3 to Kansas City, which is where he went.

I remember it distinctly because the Redskins were supposedly deliberating Jackson with our first rounder, and it was actually considered a reach for us to take him.

The caveat is that Kiper didn't have his projection correct until about a week before the draft, which must have been when he received a credible tip to where the Chiefs were looking.

I wouldn't worry about it at this point. It's waaaay too far off for any real projections, especially for guys with such questionable values that high in the draft.

If he's still projecting Bradford or Clausen a week before the draft, then I'd get nervous.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Clausen did not win a college game vs any top 25 teams. He sucks...coming from ND alum.

How can anyone like this team anymore?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

nate, yeah, haha, its not all gone, but headed in that direction....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Here’s the ESPN mock drafts last year on March 11, first half of the first round. Kiper was right 3/16, McShay was 2/16. So much for mock drafts.
1. Detroit Lions (Record: 0-16) – Matt Stafford
Kiper pick: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
McShay pick: Stafford

2. St. Louis Rams (2-14) – Jason Smith
Kiper pick: Jason Smith
McShay pick: Smith

3. Kansas City Chiefs (2-14) – Tyson Jackson
Kiper pick: Aaron Curry
McShay pick: Curry

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12) – Aaron Curry
Kiper pick: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia.
McShay pick: B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College

5. Cleveland Browns (4-12) – Mark Sanchez (Trade)
Kiper pick: B.J. Raji
McShay pick: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

6. Cincinnati Bengals (4-11-1) – Andre Smith
Kiper pick: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
McShay pick: Eugene Monroe

7. Oakland Raiders (5-11) – Darius Heyward-Bey
Kiper pick: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
McShay pick: Maclin

8. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-11) – Eugene Monroe
Kiper pick: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC.
McShay pick: Michael Crabtree

9. Green Bay Packers (6-10) – B. J. Raji
Kiper pick: Brian Orakpo
McShay pick: Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State

10. San Francisco 49ers (7-9) – Michael Crabtree
Kiper pick: Aaron Maybin
McShay pick: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

11. Buffalo Bills (7-9) – Aaron Maybin
Kiper pick: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
McShay pick: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State

12. Denver Broncos (8-8) – Knowshon Moreno
Kiper pick: Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
McShay pick: Jackson

13. Washington Redskins (8-8) – Brian Orakpo
Kiper pick: Andre Smith
McShay pick: Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi

14. New Orleans Saints (8-8) – Malcolm Jenkins
Kiper pick: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
McShay pick: Malcolm Jenkins, CB, Ohio State

15. Houston Texans (8-8) – Brian Cushing
Kiper pick: Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
McShay pick: Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee

16. San Diego Chargers (8-8) – Larry English
Kiper pick: Malcolm Jenkins
McShay pick: Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

as someone who is follically challenged, I've got nothing bad to say about Kipers hair....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 1:42 PM

Embrace it like you are stepping to the tee with your eyes on the pin. Winning is about getting onto the green, not getting stuck in the rough. [Also, Kiper has had hair implants ... of balleen.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan and Allen are just trying to appease Snyder and the Campbell haters then Clausen or Bradford will be the pick at #4. We will still have gaping holes at Running Back, O-line, Linebacker and Defensive Back but Snyder will have a new QB to pimp for marketing purposes through jersey sales and endorsement oppurtunities. Campbell haters will finally stop kissing Colt's behind and run behind their new messiah.

Posted by: moseley_brian | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

If Kiper is so frickin' smart how come some team doesn't break the bank to hire him as their personnel director?

Mock drafts and "bracketology" are such a joke, it's a sham that the sports media industry has generated.

Posted by: p1funk | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

We have pick #37, not #36.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

ESPN has just issued a correction. Kiper actually has Claussen ranked as his #4 pickle.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

alex

"I feel that the NFL is clearly back in the classic passing QB mode now, after an era where we loved scrambling QB's."


Wow!

This would generate a half our discussion on a sports talk show as it's very true.

Scramblin' is done, passin' from a locked and loaded position is in.

No McNabb/Young/Vick, Hail Manning/Brees/Big Ben.


Today, you scramble only if the secondary is in man coverage and there's a lane to run through.

Let the wildcat q-back take the licks that ends careers.

It's a change for the better if you ask me.

Good stuff, Alex, good stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that you can get follicle implants? That you can pull them from other places...

Like your asscheeks.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: tomfoley1 | February 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, though, is not a "special athlete who can threaten a defense with his legs. He is an undersized passer with very good mobility."


Sounds a lot like a guy from Notre Dame who ended up playing a game for "70,000 dollars and a Big Ring".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 17, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

i love kiper & clausen. bradford scares me because of his shoulder, his predigree, & the system he's coming out of. clausen is coming out of a pro style offense & wasn't the problem with notre dame. kiper is far from a moron btw.

Posted by: phk28 | February 17, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

if kipers had implants, those are FANTASTIC....

red, I hope it snows 3 more feet in your neighborhood....and your shovel breaks...and truth moves in next door to you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Why do we even give guys like Kyper, McShea and Hank Goldberg credibility? Because ESPN hired them and called them experts at something? None of them played, coached, scouted, GM'ed at any level in professional of even college sports any more than we have. And I think they have more influence on the draft than they should. ESPN needs to hire former pro scouts to make their projections. Not these guys. At least John Clayton makes his analysis based on facts. Whenever I see Clayton I always think about the old christmas cartoon where the elf wanted to be a dentist. He looks like that elf. "He wants to be a dentist".

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

kiper is far from a moron btw.

Posted by: phk28


Is it becuase:

a) He has cool hair?

b) He works for the "worldwide leader"?

c) He has a big board?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If Kiper is so frickin' smart how come some team doesn't break the bank to hire him as their personnel director?

Mock drafts and "bracketology" are such a joke, it's a sham that the sports media industry has generated.

Posted by: p1funk

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I always got the impression Kiper/McShay are less informed on the actual talents, ability, and judgments of the players than they are about which teams are looking for which players. I have a feeling their opinion of a potential draft pick is based on scouts' opinions that they talk to around the league.

They're more researchers and investigators than judges of talent. Draft "insiders" for lack of a better term.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

And as far as getting Clausen (or any QB) at #4, F that.

I do like the thought of the entire football world thinking Redskins are going QB at 4... to enable/foster somebody coming up to trade for the pick.

Two Olinemen and either a 1)RB, 2)LB or 3)CB in the top 36 would not suck.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"Clausen, though, is not a "special athlete who can threaten a defense with his legs. He is an undersized passer with very good mobility."


Be careful with your assessment of Clausen.

Substitute the name 'Brees' for Clausen in that paragraph and you see what I mean.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Pa' dukes will be 54 later this year and his hair is sort of just starting to thin at the top... He wears hats all the time though.

Little hair products and gotta let the scalp breathe...

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Sounds a lot like a guy from Notre Dame who ended up playing a game for "70,000 dollars and a Big Ring".

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | February 17, 2010 2:02 PM

Liberace went to Notre Dame?

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

kiper is far from a moron btw.

Posted by: phk28


Is it becuase:

a) He has cool hair?

b) He works for the "worldwide leader"?

c) He has a big board?

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 2:06 PM
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RedDMV... I believe phk28 was referring to the categorical definition "Moron".

"Moron" was coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[3] from the Ancient Greek word μωρός (moros), which meant "dull" (as opposed to "sharp"), and used to describe a person with a mental age located between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale.[4] It was once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70, being superior in one degree to "imbecile" (IQ of 26-50) and superior in two degrees to "idiot" (IQ of 0-25)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

if kipers had implants, those are FANTASTIC....

red, I hope it snows 3 more feet in your neighborhood....and your shovel breaks...and truth moves in next door to you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 2:04 PM
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might as well throw in...

and League-Source dates your daughter too

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who they draft at #4, I really don't. The last 5 years I've seen the offseason and the drafts coming and thought, "I don't know what we're going to do but I can't wait to see how spectacularly we screw this up." Now, I finally feel excited and a fan of a football organization again not a bunch of clowns. I don't know what we're going to do, but I'm excited to see what we do and Shanny/Allen get the benefit of the doubt in my book until they consistently screw up for three years.

That said, can everyone please stop the crap of "ask him how he throws from his backside" and "I don't care how good the QB is if they have no oline". Picking a tackle (btw there seems to be no consensus between Okung and Anthony Davis either on who's better) at #4 is the one and only way to fix the oline and if you think Shanny/Allen are stupid enough to draft a young QB at #4 and not also fix the oline go be a pro wrestling fan cause you're that dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"If it's Clausen, that's proof Snyder is still calling the shots. The Redskin's need OL before any other position. If it's Clausen, Portis will need an armed escort."

clandestinetomcat, that is brilliant! If Snyder really has given up the reins, this team wouldn't dream of sniffing Jimmy Clausen before the second round.

Posted by: drischord | February 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Smh.... You people are idiots why don't you just wait and see and furthermore you guys are expecting this to be a winning season thus is going to be a rebulding year 8-8 is what you should pray for you f*ing morons every last one of you !!!!!

Posted by: bsilvanus |

When you are ranting at people on a web blog that kind of makes you a moron too. But we all think we are OK and everyone else is a moron.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mayock > Kiper > McShay

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 1:40 PM

Mike Mayock is the one of the three to actually play football and get drafted (though McShay was a backup QB in college before he got hurt).

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe the debate is between these two QBs -- one from a spread offense who just had major shoulder surgery, and the other with maturity issues and a low ceiling. You have to take Okung or trade the pick.

Posted by: RIP-21 | February 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"PFT has learned that on the heels of Mel Kiper stating the Washington Redskins will use their first round, #4 overall pick on Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen, insiders from Ashburn have confirmed to us that indeed this is true, and the team has gone so far as to set up a wink/nod contract for when this happens"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

When you are ranting at people on a web blog that kind of makes you a moron too. But we all think we are OK and everyone else is a moron.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:15 PM

... or potentially an imbecile or an idiot, depending on the Wonderlic* results.

* WARNING: Do not try this at home without adult supervision.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Last years QB draft was better. Chase Daniel and Graham Harrell were just as good as this years QB's and neither made an NFL team. Actually Clark from Penn St and the kid from Cinncy are the best picks at QB in the draft. Kiper does not know what he is talking about. I saw Mel Kiper drinking a pina colada at trader vics, his hair was perfect.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Our draft should be as simple as this:

Find a way to get TWO of these guys:

Okung
David
Iupati
Pouncey
Baluga
Williams
Campbell

Anything other than that would be failing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Picking a tackle (btw there seems to be no consensus between Okung and Anthony Davis either on who's better) at #4 is the one and only way to fix the oline and if you think Shanny/Allen are stupid enough to draft a young QB at #4 and not also fix the oline go be a pro wrestling fan cause you're that dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2010 2:12 PM
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Rarely will an NFL team get a "PR Pass" from its fans if it drafts TWO bluechip OLinemen with its first 2 picks in the Draft. But, this is exactly the scenario the Redskins are in and hopefully Shanny takes advantage of it. Hardly an educated fan will crap on them should this occur. In fact, most will say.. "its about friggin time".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Clausen play for Notre Dame?

Didn't Notre Dame suck? The entire time he was there?

Didn't Notre Dame lose to Navy last year? Again? At home?

If they do this, it will only reinforce my hunch that tools such as Shanahan, Allen, and all the other "experts," are nothing but a bunch of over-paid morons who read SI.

Please.

Somebody make it stop.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I saw Mel Kiper Jr walking with the queen.
Doin the werewolves of london.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

**Davis, I meant.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

red, I hope it snows 3 more feet in your neighborhood....and your shovel breaks...and truth moves in next door to you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought Truth lived next door to noone from Tampa

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Can't believe the debate is between these two QBs"


Well, this is just our debate.

And we master debaters don't want any disruption until we are done, thank you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

A guy that has no idea how to use punctuation is calling others a moron...classic. Periods a nd commas are your friend a$$bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 1:34 PM |

Dude - you shouldn't be such a phukbrik. Be happy. A Scottie won the Westminster last night, the SB of dog shows.

Signed,

Macbeth

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Find a way to get TWO of these guys:

Okung
David
Iupati
Pouncey
Baluga
Williams
Campbell


Well, okay:

Okung

Iupati/Ducasse

LeFevour

Tate (or D Thomas, wr Ga-Tech)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I thought Truth lived next door to noone from Tampa

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 17, 2010 2:23 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The Buckeye fan across the street almost got laughed out of the neighborhood. Can't imagine what would happen to a Dawg fan like Truth in this Gatorhood...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

neither are better than what we have already. That said I think we will draft linemen and a running back.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Rate Mel Kiper on the following scale

Idiot
Retarded
Imbecile
Moron
Feeble-Minded
Border Line
Average
High Average
Genius
Super Genius

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I think he's around border line...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Kiper and McShay are shams! Complete scam artists. any two of us on this blog could do a freaking draft prediction show.

It's very simple:
1.Put on a suit
2.Predict that a great college player with talent that stuck out will be a high draft pick.
3. Change your prediction every 3 days.
4. I'm guessing the Lions and Bucs are'nt taking QB's. so it's safe to say they will go with a different position.
5.On draft day when teams pick what you did not predict simply say,"He was the next on my board for that team, I thought they might go this way."
5. Easiest job in the universe.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"Sources: Chargers shopping Cromartie for RB"

Go do it Shanny, get it done!

- Ray

Ray, what RB would we offer? San Diego is looking for a starting RB. Portis is out of gas, and neither Betts, Cartwright or Mason are first-line guys. The Chargers are not dummies and do not have Vinny for a General Manager; A.J. Smith is a smart guy. The Redskins have the oldest, and probably the least skilled, RB corps in the league so this is a trade that will not happen. If anything, the Giants or Cowboys could land Cromartie because of their great depth and youth at RB.

Posted by: jksesq1 | February 17, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you shouldn't be such a phukbrik. Be happy. A Scottie won the Westminster last night, the SB of dog shows.

Signed,

Macbeth

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 2:26 PM
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Imagine if Vinny was a judge at the Westminister Dog show..
His card would show 10 Whippets (two with bad knees).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"Brady Quinn was a more attractive candidate because of his intelligence, size -- he's just bigger than Clausen -- and character. Yet he wasn't drafted until the 22nd pick in the first round. So why would Clausen go higher?"

Well, for one thing, Clausen's strength is Brady's weakness -- the deep pass.

Be interesting to see how tall he realy is, though. I think part of the reaction to the prospect of drafting Clausen is just fan hysteria about anything other than the o-line.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Find a way to get TWO of these guys:

Okung
David
Iupati
Pouncey
Baluga
Williams
Campbell

Anything other than that would be failing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM |

Dude Pouncey should have been a CB just like that Jammer dude.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Clausen did not win a college game vs any top 25 teams. He sucks...coming from ND alum.

How can anyone like this team anymore?

Clausen = Campbell = except he did not win in college and seems to think he is the annointed one- big ego- SAY NO TO JIMMY! The last thing the Deadskins need is another player that thinks he is entitled...we have every postion covered with those guys.

Seriously, The Deadskins will always suck as long as Synder is owner - no QB can fix them...

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

A guy that has no idea how to use punctuation is calling others a moron...classic. Periods a nd commas are your friend a$$bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975

a$$bag? Where did you learn to cuss, from American Pie movies? Get a Richard Pryor CD and learn how to cuss at people correctly. What is that, a bag of a$$?

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I gotta believe that if the Skins draft a QB, he will be a player that will be put right in there from the start. To have a new QB sit the bench and watch Campbell for a year would serve no purpose. What can anybody learn from Campbell?

Posted by: theBozyn1 | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Let's just hope Allen and Shanahan pull the rug out from under Kiper et al. My guess is Kiper's source is still Vinny ... playing the Jim Bowden knowing Mike Rizzo's moves ... now Vinny using inside Redskins sources to guess Allen/Shanahan's moves.

Don't listen. Have to assume Allen/Shanahan are smarter on their worst day than Vinny/Snidley on their best day.

Posted by: periculum | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...

Cornwell says there will be no lockout
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2010 2:16 PM ET
Plenty of NFL observers have opinions as to whether owners will lock out players in 2011, if the current labor deal expires without a new one taking its place.

Sports attorney David Cornwell believes that there will be no lockout.

His opinion carries extra weight in our eyes, given that he was one of two finalists for the position of NFLPA Executive Director last March.

As Cornwell explains it, the league and the union will negotiate to impasse in March 2011, and the league then will invoke a provision of federal labor law that allows the owners to impose new rules relating to wages and other terms of employment. Under federal labor law, the rules must be substantially similar to the last offer made by the league.

The union could then strike. The more likely outcome is that NFLPA would decertify and sue the league for violations of the same antitrust laws at issue in the American Needle case. That's why the union has been writing editorials for guys like Drew Brees in connection with the American Needle case, and it's why NFL general counsel Jeff Pash tiptoed around my recent questions regarding whether the league believes it's a "single entity" for labor purposes.

If Cornwell is right -- and we've got a feeling he is -- it means that the threat of a lockout will be used by the league to get the union to accept that final offer in March 2011. Then, if the final offer is rejected, the owners will simply implement the new rules and hunker down for the legal challenge, with the first argument undoubtedly being that the NFL is a single entity that cannot violate the antitrust laws via its 32 franchises.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt the REDSKINS brass are sincere about a new q-back. I think they need one. Just not now. Plus, I have bad vibes about all the q-backs in this draft. If not now when? Next year, unless a trade, or FA acquisition falls in our laps.

If the REDSKINS interest in a q-back is smokescreen to throw the KIPER's of the world off the scent of the club's true intentions, I say "great," let's do it again.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I remember the days when LH and RedDMV were accusing me of being a Notre Dame hater........

...But now it appears my opinion on Clausen was just earlier tha others....More Advanced, I would say....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

You guys are a** clowns. Assuming Clausen measures over 6'2" the skins would be lucky to get him. He is used to playing behind horrific olines as he has been doing that the last 3 years. Do you realize he threw for 28Tds and only 4 Ints on a terrible team. He was also missing his top wr for most of the year. Floyd is a much better wr than Tate.

Posted by: srobert1117 | February 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Smh.... You people are idiots why don't you just wait and see and furthermore you guys are expecting this to be a winning season thus is going to be a rebulding year 8-8 is what you should pray for you f*ing morons every last one of you !!!!!

Posted by: bsilvanus | February 17, 2010 1:28 PM |

A guy that has no idea how to use punctuation is calling others a moron...classic. Periods a nd commas are your friend a$$bag.

Posted by: scampbell1975


One of these days I'm going to start a website that lists incidents where someone criticizes grammar and goofs while doing so.

One doesn't call "others a moron"--others is plural--and there should be no space between "a" and "nd." Also, since "periods and commas" is plural, they are your "friends," not "friend." There should be a comma before "a$$bag."

i agree the dude is an a$$bag, if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Is Jimmy Clausen coming out of ND better than Brady Quinn coming out of ND his last year? No. And would you trade a six pack of Milwaukee's Best light that someone gave you as a leftover from last summers labor day cookout for Quinn right now?

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt the REDSKINS brass are sincere about a new q-back. I think they need one. Just not now. Plus, I have bad vibes about all the q-backs in this draft. If not now when? Next year, unless a trade, or FA acquisition falls in our laps.

If the REDSKINS interest in a q-back is smokescreen to throw the KIPER's of the world off the scent of the club's true intentions, I say "great," let's do it again.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 2:38 PM
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as my posts show.. I am not a JC fan but, if you compare JC with fragile Bradford and 2nd round caliber Clausen and ask who you would want running the Skins next year of those 3... It would have to be JC.
So, we accept this as an OLine et al.. rebuilding year of maybe 8-8, if lucky. And upgrade at QB later in free agency or 2011.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Moe - gotta take Iupati over Ducasse. Sounds like Ducasse is more of a project (and there is a language barrier, I think?).

Can't see us going WR at all this draft.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | February 17, 2010 2:41 PM

What's his win-loss record? That's all that matters around here.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


One of these days I'm going to start a website that lists incidents where someone criticizes grammar and goofs while doing so.

One doesn't call "others a moron"--others is plural--and there should be no space between "a" and "nd." Also, since "periods and commas" is plural, they are your "friends," not "friend." There should be a comma before "a$$bag."

i agree the dude is an a$$bag, if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM
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Whilst we pick the nits, you used a lower case "i" to begin a sentence and you separated two independent clauses with a copy instead of a semi-colon. I also agree that the guy is an a$$bag.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


One of these days I'm going to start a website that lists incidents where someone criticizes grammar and goofs while doing so.

One doesn't call "others a moron"--others is plural--and there should be no space between "a" and "nd." Also, since "periods and commas" is plural, they are your "friends," not "friend." There should be a comma before "a$$bag."

i agree the dude is an a$$bag, if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM
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Whilst we pick the nits, you used a lower case "i" to begin a sentence and you separated two independent clauses with a comma instead of a semi-colon. I also agree that the guy is an a$$bag.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

srobert1117

What are you going to call us next, d!ckweeds? Can you posters outgrow your american pie phase. At least move on up to superbad references.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Then, if the final offer is rejected, the owners will simply implement the new rules and hunker down for the legal challenge, with the first argument undoubtedly being that the NFL is a single entity that cannot violate the antitrust laws via its 32 franchises.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 2:38 PM
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How far will the NFL owners go before nearing the possibility of losing their anti-trust exemption? There are many politicians, in both Houses, just waiting for a chance to yank it away.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is usually wrong - thank God! If Vinny were still around I would be more worried since Vinny and Kiper are friends.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Its not like Clausen would be the first guy with a pickle name. My Sharks have a defenseman named Vlasic.

So I'd be cheering for a Vlasic and a Clausen.

Insert bad pickle joke here _______

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Its not like Clausen would be the first guy with a pickle name. My Sharks have a defenseman named Vlasic.

So I'd be cheering for a Vlasic and a Clausen.

Insert bad pickle joke here _______

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 2:54 PM
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Clausen should marry Kelly Pickler.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Rate Mel Kiper on the following scale

...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 2:31 PM |

You left out one rating category which I have added to your list:

"Rate Mel Kiper on the following scale

Idiot
Retarded
Imbecile
Moron
Moeron
Feeble-Minded
Border Line
Average
High Average
Genius
Super Genius"

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I see more and more, my four post-draft recommends are getting recognition. Hope they stay off the radar and the SKINS put them under contract immediately after the conclusion of the draft, to wit:

MATT McCRACKEN OG, RICHMOND, ADRIAN TRACY OLB/DE, WILLIAM and MARY, TERRELL WHITEHEAD FS NORFOLK STATE, and ED WANG OT VIRGINIA TECH.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DONT DRAFT HEATH SCHULER....WE STILL HAVEN'T RECOVERED! IT WILL SET THE FRANCHISE BACK ANOTHER 10 YEARS!!!!!!

Posted by: lhankins8 | February 17, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM
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Whilst we pick the nits, you used a lower case "i" to begin a sentence and you separated two independent clauses with a comma instead of a semi-colon. I also agree that the guy is an a$$bag.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 2:50 PM

Too true, RSH. And did you notice that every time he posts he forgets the space in TheCork? People who live in glass houses... A$$bags who live in toilet paper rolls...

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If they don't pick Okung or trade down for Davis,Bulaga or Iupati,then we are right where we left off last year. Bring in another veteran QB,use Brennan,draft a QB in 4th or 5th,trade Campbell for another veteran
like Bulger

Posted by: Modelchip | February 17, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny were still around I would be more worried since Vinny and Kiper are friends.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 17, 2010 2:53 PM

I think the word you were looking for is co-conspirators.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

i agree the dude is an a$$bag, if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM |

Jesus. Leaving and forgetting your cap after reaming someone out about being a grammar low life. It would be hard to find any more irony in a Shakespeare play.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

i agree the dude is an a$$bag, if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 2:44 PM |

Jesus. Leaving and forgetting your cap after reaming someone out about being a grammar low life. It would be hard to find any more irony in a Shakespeare play.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anna_Molly | February 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has a purpose and value ... minimally as trade bait to get draft picks.

With Colt Brennan drafting another QB in the 1st appears to serve no purpose at this time. I can see waiting until the 2nd but not before. There just isn't enough value to the current QB class.

IHHO, Shanahan, like Gibbs, will identify a veteran he likes and bring him in, (see Mark Brunell, currently Bree's backup).

its too risky and takes too long as it is to develop a young QB unless he is a 12 on a scale of 10. You wait to draft a guy like that.

Posted by: periculum | February 17, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I think the word you were looking for is co-conspirators.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 3:01 PM |

I think it is butt buddies. What a match! The pompous pompadour and the star of "Kindergarten Ninja"!

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I would not put anything behind what Kiper says. Nortre Dame has produced a decent QB since the 70's. Clausen is a guaranteed bust.

Posted by: clark202 | February 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

IHHO, Shanahan, like Gibbs, will identify a veteran he likes and bring him in, (see Mark Brunell, currently Bree's backup).

Posted by: periculum | February 17, 2010 3:09 PM |

Brunell? Jesus. His arm is deader than King Tut.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is getting dumber and dumber there no way Bradford, Mccoy and CLausen should be drafted in the1st round they all have so many question marks not even funny. im high on the qb from cincinnati who could be way underrated in this draft his mechanics are good an can throw the deep ball just as good as these 3 qb from more elite colleges. If Cluasen played anywhere else besides Notre Dame there no way he be 4th pick

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is getting dumber and dumber there no way Bradford, Mccoy and CLausen should be drafted in the1st round they all have so many question marks not even funny. im high on the qb from cincinnati who could be way underrated in this draft his mechanics are good an can throw the deep ball just as good as these 3 qb from more elite colleges. If Cluasen played anywhere else besides Notre Dame there no way he be 4th pick

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

its no wonder republicans are going extinct

Posted by: Anna_Molly | February 17, 2010 3:07 PM

Anna, Extinct? Where have you been recently? I guess if you ignore elections in Virginia, Massachusetts, New Jersey plus all the Dems who are looking "to serve in a different capacity" and leaving the House and Senate, then, yeah, things are looking bleak for the Republicans. By December I'm sure they'll be replaced completely by a Fitter Species.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I would not put anything behind what Kiper says. Nortre Dame has produced a decent QB since the 70's. Clausen is a guaranteed bust.

Posted by: clark202 | February 17, 2010 3:13 PM |

First Joe T and now Claus. Two Gerries building a proud Irish lineage with the Skins.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

my issue is Shanahan wants to grew and build a qb from the draft. last time i checked he hasnt had success developing a rookie qb or experience with that. Yea Cutler but did he really help grow cutler he throws more picks then tds. Campbell is the future of this team and with OL help and and runing games Campbell will prove those doubters wrong . This is why i worry about Shanahan is yea won super bowl with Elway but Elway, Manning and brees of the world are not coming from this qb draft class. It loos like Campbell wil be the qb next year but i hope they dont stray away from building around Jason

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Macbeth"

This guy kills a king while being run around a dank castle by his shrewish wife.

She wants him to be king after he tells her of a prophecy.

He sees himself as being more than what he is.

His homeboy tells him to ignore the obvious and think long term.

All along, he visits witches for advice.

He kills his homie out of paranoia.

He sees the ghost of his friend, a floating head, a dead baby, and hates that he didn't kill a couple of boys along the way.

He loses a final battle after a forest of shrouded soldiers moves to suround his castle.

It all ends with their placing his head on a pike.

This guy's name shouldn't be Macbeth.

It should be Fool.

And this ends our culture moment at Moesterpiece Theatre: the place where idiots come to learn why being smart is so damn stupid.

(INSERT curtain close and random annoyed applause.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

my issue is Shanahan wants to grew and build a qb from the draft. last time i checked he hasnt had success developing a rookie qb or experience with that. Yea Cutler but did he really help grow cutler he throws more picks then tds. Campbell is the future of this team and with OL help and and runing games Campbell will prove those doubters wrong . This is why i worry about Shanahan is yea won super bowl with Elway but Elway, Manning and brees of the world are not coming from this qb draft class. It loos like Campbell wil be the qb next year but i hope they dont stray away from building around Jason

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

ED WANG OT VIRGINIA TECH.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 2:57 PM |

Wouldn't you feel a little weird drafting someone with a name like that?

ED = Erectile Dysfunction
Wang = ...

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Insert bad pickle joke here _______

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse


That wouldn't be kosher on this thread.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Rarely will an NFL team get a "PR Pass" from its fans if it drafts TWO bluechip OLinemen with its first 2 picks in the Draft. ...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 2:22 PM

Jets did it a couple of years ago when they used TWO first round picks on an offensive tackle and a center (D'Brick Ferguson and Nick Mangold) and this year they went to the AFC Championships. Of course, the year after they made those picks, both Mangini and Tannenbaum got fired ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Kipper's big BORED. Yawn!!! Read his comments. Clausen is not going to the Combine, yet he mentions "after the Combine" in his comment. ESPN has almost destroyed football with their dippy on air personalities including the worst one of all Merrill Hodge. He necktie knot is bigger than his head.

Posted by: pjente | February 17, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Def: wang -

Term for the male genitalia, particularly the penis.

Simeon has a huge wang.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Sporting News:

Saints defensive end Bobby McCray(notes) said coordinator Gregg Williams should get a great deal of credit of out-thinking Colts QB Peyton Manning(notes) in Super Bowl 44.

"(Manning) was going against a great guy on our side of the ball, which is Gregg Williams," McCray told ESPN on Monday. "He makes quarterbacks panic and do things they don’t want to do, and that puts our players in great position.

"As you can see, (Manning) thought he was throwing to Reggie Wayne(notes) but he threw it to (Tracy Porter(notes)) one play. It’s just the play design we have on defense. It was a great year and our defensive coordinator has done a lot of great things for us this year.

"He changed our whole persona (on defense). We thought he was crazy when he came in. We had to do up-downs, which you only do in high school and college. Up-downs? You’ve got to be kidding me. We’re NFL players. But that got us disciplined to the point where anything he says, goes, and we believe it."

Posted by: skinfanman | February 17, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

a$$bag? Where did you learn to cuss, from American Pie movies? Get a Richard Pryor CD and learn how to cuss at people correctly. What is that, a bag of a$$?

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM

I assumed it was a contraction invented for the indecisive who are unable to decide if someone is an a-hole or a d-bag.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

NOOO I don't want Clausen!!! Please don't do it Skins!!!! We have more pressing needs than QB right now. We need an offensive line. It won't matter who is behind it, JC or Clausen, we need a friggin O line. I'm all in favor of trading the pick and getting two later ones in the first round. We need solid o linemen. As many as possible. Please don't waste the pick on Clausen.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the year after they made those picks, both Mangini and Tannenbaum got fired ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 3:29 PM |

I think the Tann Man is still with.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

We have had SOME luck w/ a Notre Dame QB, tho... hehe.

...I hate Notre Dame.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens have signed Dante Stallworth. fwiw

Posted by: skinfanman | February 17, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Sporting News:

Starting quarterback Marc Bulger(notes) has cleaned out his locker in St. Louis, but that doesn’t mean he hasn’t closed the door for remaning with the Rams. That’s according to a report from NFL.com, which also says the team is trying to not make a big deal of the situation yet.

Bulger is still likely done with that team, and SN Lions correspondent Tom "Killer" Kowalski of mlive.com believes the Rams will move on to another quarterback—by drafting Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford first overall.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 17, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Former Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen tells Sirius NFL Radio that he will attend next week’s scouting Combine but not participate in drills at because he still is recovering from surgery to repair a turf toe injury.

"I’m planning on doing all the interviews and, obviously, being seen by the doctors so they can see my toe, but my toe isn’t ready to go right now," Clausen says in the interview.

Clausen will undergo an exam on the toe on Thursday, NFL.com reports. If the toe looks good, Clausen might be able to hold a private pro day in early April, a few weeks befor the draft.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 17, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I am done as a skins fan if they do this. It will just show, that NOTHING has actually changed, and that snyder still runs this team. Draft a lineman, or trade back to acquire more picks. That's what GOOD teams do... Let's get Jason behind a good line, with a decent running game and see what happens.

Posted by: nike12 | February 17, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear by now that Campbell is not a playmaker. He's a game-manager. There is nothing wrong with that. But, to win with that type of QB, you gotta dominate on defense and special teams.

If Campbell is gonna QB the team, the Skins highest draft priority should be acquiring impact defensive playmakers first and return men who can change field position second.

They shouldn't waste top picks to protect game-managers. Draft the DB from Tennessee, add him to the defensive playmakers currently on the squad, stop playing bend-don't break, and start getting after people on defense.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is on crack!!!! There is no way that the Skins should even be thinking about a QB. If you got no line, every QB sitting back there will get murdered. It makes no since for them to get a QB. The best thing is to get the O-line, let them work for a year together and then get a QB the following year. Hopefully that kid from University of Washington.

Posted by: ajb1094 | February 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I would not put anything behind what Kiper says. Nortre Dame has produced a decent QB since the 70's. Clausen is a guaranteed bust.

Posted by: clark202 | February 17, 2010 3:13 PM

To be fair Joey T, Steve Beuerlein, and some dude named Joe Montana were pretty good and they were from ND.

Compared that to the successful QB tree of Oklahoma. There only consequential pro transferred to UCLA after his freshman year, perhaps you've heard of him, Troy Aikman.

That would be like the Colts being afraid draft a certain Tennessee QB because of Heath Shuler, VOL's lack of producing NFL QBs, or the fact that Manning couldn't win the big game.

I'm not comparing noodle arm Bradford or noodle head Clausen to any of those guys, just saying it's a stupid argument.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Clausen looks like Charles Grodin.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 17, 2010 3:21 PM |

Dude - ESPN (sports analyst) and Scribners (literture) are going to duke it out to see who can bid the highest for your services.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Average
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Creationist

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

the people who blame Clausen for Notre Dame not winning must not have followed them at all. The reason Notre Dame lost was because they had a terrible defense not from quarterback play especially this past season. There were numerous games where Claussen brought ND back only to see the defense lose it for him. Now Im not saying to draft him at #4 but I would take him over Bradford and his bum shoulder

Posted by: lmof97 | February 17, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What is that, a bag of a$$?

Posted by: ged0386 | February 17, 2010 2:36 PM

It's a colostomy bag.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

You guys are a** clowns. Assuming Clausen measures over 6'2" the skins would be lucky to get him. He is used to playing behind horrific olines as he has been doing that the last 3 years. Do you realize he threw for 28Tds and only 4 Ints on a terrible team. He was also missing his top wr for most of the year. Floyd is a much better wr than Tate.

Posted by: srobert1117 | February 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

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my thoughts exactly about Claussen

Posted by: lmof97 | February 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ajb1094

Why would you say Kiper is on crack? This is what the Skins always do. Why would anyone be suprised if we spent that pick on a QB when we clearly have bigger issues than QB? I'm praying they don't do this and they show us they have changed. We NEED OFFENSIVE LINEMEN, period. We need depth. JC needs a decent oline, or else his career will be over in 2 years. If I was JC and Shanahan/Allen don't address the Oline, I would just head out.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lmof97 | February 17, 2010 3:48 PM

How many two min. comebacks did he have? What was his QB rating in the last 7 mins. of games? We need some stats!!

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Puhleeeze stop touting Soup.

Feel free to defend him if you wish, but any talk of his development is folly.

He is a known commodity. You've seen how he does in any situation imaginable. Not over a whole season, mind you.

Commodity. That comes from commode, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I am amazed to see how many of you get suckered into the PR hype.
Of course Kipper says Redskins. What else is going to generate this kind of response?
You all really need to grow up. That includes the staff writers of WP/redskins who do this to generate traffic on a newspaper that has lost it's way.
It's all just.....so sad.

Posted by: jmissale | February 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that Jimmy Clausen will measure in at a whopping 5'6 at the combine later on this month. Clausen was heightening while at ND, and would put lifts in both his cleats as well as his shoes. This will undoubtably drop him out of the first round, and back into the 3rd round"

uh-oh......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the year after they made those picks, both Mangini and Tannenbaum got fired ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 3:29 PM |

I think the Tann Man is still with.

Posted by: BirnamWood | February 17, 2010 3:32 PM

I sit corrected ... and note that the Jets (and I'm guessing Tannenbaum himself) scored Darrelle Revis the next time he went to the draft well. He drafts well.

On an unrelated note, I think the Skins are locked out of high tender RFAs because they lack a third round pick and the only first round pick they have is #4 ... unless they put a high tender on Jason Campbell and some team takes the bait (adding another 1st round pick and a 3rd), which personally I could see happening in some markets ... even if it was the next level tender (just a 1st round pick).

Things are going to get weirder before they get normaler. First will be the roster cuts to guys who are due roster bonuses (for which they are not living up to and for which there is no cap consequence) ... which will expand the unrestricted free agent pool ... and then the greatly expanded restricted free agency pool. Its gonna get weird.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Rachel,

Not always, just since Snyderrato. Hopefully the new school will end this scenario.

...hopefully...[cringe]

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 17, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That would be an unmitigated disaster. I hate Jimmy the Pickle and everything he stands for.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Not touting him. Trust me, I'm not the biggest JC fan but he's the best option we have right now.

I'm all for giving him this year to see what he can do behind a half decent line. I'm like TWISI though... can you people who watch Notre Dame and Jimmy Clausen tell us more about him other than just stating his stats??

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

You guys are a** clowns. Assuming Clausen measures over 6'2" the skins would be lucky to get him. He is used to playing behind horrific olines as he has been doing that the last 3 years. Do you realize he threw for 28Tds and only 4 Ints on a terrible team. He was also missing his top wr for most of the year. Floyd is a much better wr than Tate.

Posted by: srobert1117 | February 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse


O yeah he looks great against the crappy teams he plays. Has he ever thrown for more than 300 yards against a ranked opponent? How about an SEC team? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

A guy that has no idea how to use punctuation is calling others a moron...classic. Periods a nd commas are your friend a$$bag.

Aye f**** you I f****ed yo mom aunty while yo fat ass daddy watched

Posted by: bsilvanus | February 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I found what McShay said about Clausen very interesting. He said that Clausen doesn't have a lot of up side because he's been coached so well up to this point. He's pretty much hit his ceiling as a QB.

Don't know how true that is but it's interesting.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If I was JC and Shanahan/Allen don't address the Oline, I would just head out.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 17, 2010 3:55 PM

You think JC should just head out? Are you suggesting that he sit out a year and turn down 2-3 mil.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Average
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Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ that. but added someone in there.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Is Vinny still around? I mean why in the world would we not draft a linemen with the 1st pick? And if we do draft Clausen, then who do we have to protect has blind side? When I last checked, Joe Jacoby is not walking through that door.....

Posted by: ENJOYA | February 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Any thoughts on signing Bulger if he becomes available, and at the right price?

He definitely had a couple really good years before St. Louis really fell apart.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"I'm all for giving him this year to see what he can do behind a half decent line."

I can't think objectively about Campbell anymore.

Re-sign'em, no, trade'em, yes, keep'em, no, bench'em, yes...

It goes on and on like the chicken and egg debate.

And the debate only proves what John Madden said: if you are discussing getting rid of a quarterback, then it means you really don't have one you trust.

So you get rid of him and find one that you can.

Change the quarterback and move on.

I want some new names, players,identities, and faces to cheer over the next few years.

I'm so ready to let got of 2002-2009 Washington Redskin football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"I found what McShay said about Clausen very interesting. He said that Clausen doesn't have a lot of up side because he's been coached so well up to this point. He's pretty much hit his ceiling as a QB.
Posted by: Original_etrod'

That's what they used to say about Bobby Knight's players at Indiana -- he'd gotten everything out of them there was to get.

McShay's other criticism of Clausen is he puts too much air under the ball on his deep throws. McShay is of the 'bullet' school of passing (of which Pat Ramsey is Head Boy). I'm not. I think NFL QBs throw the ball entirely too hard, causing it to flatten out so that a long throw is either knocked down by the DB or results in overthrowing any receiver under 6'3". But the preference for the speeding dart is why McShay would rate a QB like Jake Locker over Clausen or Bradford.

QBs with a sidearm hitch, like Mark Rypien, Bernie Kosar or Philip Rivers, are often skilled deep throwers because of the loft they get.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's compare some prospects and like opponents.

2009
@Michigan State
Darryl Clark 310 yards 4 TDs

Home Michigan State
Pickle 300 yards 2 TDs

Outplayed by Clark

@Michigan
Clark 230 yards 4 TDs
pickle 336 3 Tds

Clark 540 yards 8 TDs
pickle 636 5 Tds

Pickle had a home game while Clark was on the road. Clark also stopped playing since the game was over early.

@Pitt
Pike 302 3 TD 3 INT
Pickle 283 1 TD 1 INT

Outplayed by Pike

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"I found what McShay said about Clausen very interesting. He said that Clausen doesn't have a lot of up side because he's been coached so well up to this point. He's pretty much hit his ceiling as a QB.

Don't know how true that is but it's interesting.

Posted by: Original_etrod"

Hah, that could quite possibly be the worst analysis I've ever seen regarding a player's future prospects.

Kind of like a law firm saying a 4.0 student from Harvard doesn't have much upside because he's been taught so well throughout his tenure as a student.

Regardless, if Clausen's ceiling is a 7:1 TD:INT ratio and 70% completion, I'd say that's quite good enough.

Not that I want to draft him anyway...

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Did someone get to Mel Kiper, just to jump start the comments here.

I think that's what happened.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 17, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

if its the MD qb then i say the fans need to finish the skins revolution and get a new owner this time not some dump MD QB that will just stink the place out for years to come

we just can't take this again so I say it is time to over throw the man get a new owner .

Boycott

Posted by: joevick2 | February 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought Clark was a good qb for PSU and would have been rated a little higher.

Think the senior bowl hurt him and maybe he didn't win enough big games.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

What's Clausen's signature win?

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

BUSINESS AS USUAL. SNAFU. DAN SNYDER HAD BRUCE ALLEN FIXED LAST WEEK. SHANANHAN WAS FIXED WHEN HE GOT HERE. 4-12 WILL LOOK GREAT NEXT YEAR.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | February 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

O yeah he looks great against the crappy teams he plays. Has he ever thrown for more than 300 yards against a ranked opponent? How about an SEC team? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what you said.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Did someone get to Mel Kiper, just to jump start the comments here.

I think that's what happened.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | February 17, 2010 4:18 PM

Smart Man....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I found what McShay said about Clausen very interesting. He said that Clausen doesn't have a lot of up side because he's been coached so well up to this point. He's pretty much hit his ceiling as a QB.

Don't know how true that is but it's interesting.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 17, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

that's why the entire staff that coached him is unemployed.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:14 PM

Three games doesn't necessarily translate to success @ the next level.

Clausen, Pike, Clark. In that order if you're ranking those three as pro prospects.

I watched 6-8 PSU games this year and Clark is 2-3 years away from being a backup. He will go undrafted.

The guy to watch for in the 4th might be Jarrett Brown from WVU. LeFevour will be gone by the end of the 3rd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

anyone remember the old Wang word processing from back in the day

I saved our rep's card for years

loved how he introduced himself

"Hi, I'm Dick Wiener from Wang"

I always wanted to know, who would name their kid Richard Wiener

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

What's Clausen's signature win?

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Hawaii Bowl was his "coming out" game, I think NDs comeback against Purdue was his signature win

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:
Mel Kiper now projects Brad and Jennifer will reunite. He went on to say that he believe Jolie has lost some of her flash and the twins just aren't as perky as they used to be. Meanwhile, he stated that Aniston has improved her 40 time and she has been a weight room disciple for the last month.

In related news, Mel Kiper has been charged with possession of a water pipe coated with marijuana and HGH residue. When Kiper was questioned about his guilt, he said that he projected that is was not his and "perhaps it belongs to Ricky Williams because he was over at the crib the other night and we were doing the swami yoga thing together".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"O yeah he looks great against the crappy teams he plays."Posted by: PAskinsfan17

They're not that crappy. Nevada, Michigan,Michigan State, Washington, Washington State, Navy, Pitt, USC, BC, Purdue, Connecticut, Stanford -- not the best schedule, but far from the easiest.

Notre Dame's problems were mostly on the defensive side of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like a law firm saying a 4.0 student from Harvard doesn't have much upside because he's been taught so well throughout his tenure as a student.

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Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 4:18 PM

I have heard this before. My English Professor use to work at NASA and she told me they don't want a brainiac 4.0 student with no real life skills. She said they preferred a 3.0 student who had a job (part-time or full-time) in their related field instead so they have real life experince.....And that's just one out of a few times I have heard this....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys all nuts!!!! You should draft a quarterback. Look at all the teams that made the playoff. They all had good to great quarterbacks.

AFC - Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers.

NFC - Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brett Favre.

You can't win if you don't have a good quarterback. This is a passing league now. But I would not draft Jimmy Clausen. I would go with Sam Bradford. He will be a much better fit.

Posted by: TheJury | February 17, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

He goes through incredible streaks of WTF? He looks great against weak opponents but rolls over in the big games. If I needed a #3 QB I'd take him. I'd be much more interested in Kafka from Northwestern though. Clark is borderline size, chokes in big games, can become erratic, actually lacks arm strength despite how tightly he ties those ultimate warrior bicep strings. He's definitely a project but I think he can be successful with a good QB coach.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"For once, everybody who's posted a comment is on the same page! What does that tell the Skins? Granted, we're not "experts," bue it doesn't take an expert or a genius to see that Skins #1, absolute top priority HAS to be OL!!! I truly hope Kiper is wrong, as he often is, even though he never acknowledges it on air."

I've thought about this issue a lot, whether people in here are morons and whether the 'experts' are far and away smarter than us. While there are always morons, I think many people in these forums have a lot to offer GMs. We know the team, have watched it and dealt with its players, their behavior, weaknesses, on-off issues for years, in some cases much more than current GM (for example Allen & the Redskins), and many times I see people here see the future and peg a team's strengths/weaknesses before GMs and Michael 'two-weeks late' Wilbon. Certainly people in here were talking O-Line well before Ceratto got, er, never got around to it. While many have predicted the Wizard's problems - bad contract for Gil, too soft, no point guard, etc. - long before Grunfeld ever did. If I were a GM, I would spend 20 minutes a day looking through these posts, rather than solely in a bubble of fellow employees populated with 'Yes' men. Fans have a massive collective IQ and experience with a club and this is a place where fierce debates can take place without fear of offending colleagues. Any GM who doesn't look at fan talkbacks on occasion is a fool.

Posted by: SammyT1 | February 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

PAskins,

Maybe Clark makes it in as a wildcat QB or RB?

He's got the size and strength and was a pretty effective runner IMO.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | February 17, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I have heard this before. My English Professor use to work at NASA and she told me they don't want a brainiac 4.0 student with no real life skills. She said they preferred a 3.0 student who had a job (part-time or full-time) in their related field instead so they have real life experince.....And that's just one out of a few times I have heard this....

Posted by: 4thFloor

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True, but relatable experience is independent of school success. You can be a brainiac 4.0 student and still have the sought-after experience in your field.

But anyway, doesn't your comment parallel that of Clausen's situation more so than the other QBs in the draft? Clausen's the one that comes from a pro-style system, taught from a former (and now current) pro offensive mind, and one would expect has been taught the pro tricks of the trade (using your eyes to move defenders, body positioning to disguise your intentions, pre-snap reads, etc.). Seems to me that fits the relatable experience better than that of someone like Bradford.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Tender JC17 to the league minimum... but nothing more than that. God forbid we actually have to pay (or play) him because nobody else wants this bonafide loser... at any price.

Trade down from the 4th pick to get some more options in the late first or early second rounds.

Offer Bulger a fair deal... and take a hard look at Jeff Garcia too...

Draft another QB prospect in the 2nd or 4th round... but focus most on developing an OLine for the immediate future and beyond...

Ship JC17 up the road to Philly... Baltimore... or anywhere else we can dump him.

Trade CP 26 to Poppa John's for a free double-cheese topping on a medium sized pizza on any day he actually shows up for for work...

Get CC47 a new hair stylist...

...and AH92 a walk-on role in Real Housewives of New Jersey.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 17, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

AFC - Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers.

NFC - Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brett Favre.

You can't win if you don't have a good quarterback. This is a passing league now. But I would not draft Jimmy Clausen. I would go with Sam Bradford. He will be a much better fit.

Posted by: TheJury | February 17, 2010 4:32 PM

5 of those 12 QBs were top 5 picks and 2 of them were undrafted. The only common theme is that all 12 have a better OL than the skins.

Not a very compelling argument by TheJury. I could post the OL stats as objective evidence, however… TheJudge has already ruled against you.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

random question - Chase Daniels was the Saints 3rd QB for the super bowl and was therefore inactive... does he still get a ring?

Posted by: JBaker76 | February 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

random question - Chase Daniels was the Saints 3rd QB for the super bowl and was therefore inactive... does he still get a ring?

Posted by: JBaker76 | February 17, 2010 4:48 PM

Of course, even the equipment manager gets a ring

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"The only common theme is that all 12 have a better OL than the skins."

Decidedly.

Trade down, get picks, draft an OT.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"5 of those 12 QBs were top 5 picks"

And interestingly enough, that group of top 5 picks has combined for a total of 1 Super Bowl. In fact, the seven 1st rounders in that group have only combined for 1 Super Bowl.

The other five that were not drafted in the first round have combined for 6 Super Bowl titles.

Just food for thought.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

AFC - Mark Sanchez, Carson Palmer, Joe Flacco, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers.

NFC - Tony Romo, Donovan McNabb, Kurt Warner, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brett Favre.

You can't win if you don't have a good quarterback. This is a passing league now. But I would not draft Jimmy Clausen. I would go with Sam Bradford. He will be a much better fit.

Posted by: TheJury | February 17, 2010 4:32 PM

5 of those 12 QBs were top 5 picks and 2 of them were undrafted. The only common theme is that all 12 have a better OL than the skins.

Not a very compelling argument by TheJury. I could post the OL stats as objective evidence, however… TheJudge has already ruled against you.


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:47 PM


My point is they are all good quarterbacks. You think Jason Campbell can take this team to the super bowl or even to the conference finals?? I don't think so. Most everyone in this blog has been complaining about the quarterback and now we have a chance to get one and nobody wants it. I know the Skins didn't have a good offensive line but 5 of those quarterback was in top 10 in getting sacked but they still manage to make the playoffs.

Posted by: TheJury | February 17, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Clausen, Pike, Clark. In that order if you're ranking those three as pro prospects.

I watched 6-8 PSU games this year and Clark is 2-3 years away from being a backup. He will go undrafted.

The guy to watch for in the 4th might be Jarrett Brown from WVU. LeFevour will be gone by the end of the 3rd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 4:28 PM

I haven't been paying much attention to QBs ... I'm still of the opinion that the Skins have two serviceable ones in Campbell and Brennan (and maybe The Todd ... if he's stil under contract ... like I said, I haven't been paying much attention ...), but what is the buzz about the guy who supposedly was the "best one" at the Senior Bowl, Zac Robinson?

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Meaningless.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Tender JC17 to the league minimum... but nothing more than that. ...

Posted by: Vic1 | February 17, 2010 4:44 PM

The lowest tender (financially) carries the compensation of "original draft round." If they don't want him, they should let another team make him an offer and trade him ... or not tender him at al and just let him walk ... which I think would be a mistake.

But I'm with whoever the crowd is that is completely disinterested in projecting the team's work for it ... instead just sitting back, hoping that the Shanahan/Allen/Owner trio really do accomplish something different this time. Sitting back and waiting. But not holding my breath. It does seem like a fresh start to get rid of Vinny though. So that's at a good thing.

Posted by: dcsween | February 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

True...it can go both ways....but just speaking from my own experinces...I have not met too many bright 4.0 students....Especially the ones in my class of accountant majors....They just didn't get it that the Real World is nothing like this and their 'A' will be irrelavant in a a couple of years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

mel kiper is almost as big an idiot as john clayton.

Posted by: xpac69 | February 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

there isn't a bigger idiot than buster olney.

Posted by: xpac69 | February 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

But anyway, doesn't your comment parallel that of Clausen's situation more so than the other QBs in the draft? Clausen's the one that comes from a pro-style system, taught from a former (and now current) pro offensive mind, and one would expect has been taught the pro tricks of the trade (using your eyes to move defenders, body positioning to disguise your intentions, pre-snap reads, etc.). Seems to me that fits the relatable experience better than that of someone like Bradford.

Posted by: psps23 | February 17, 2010 4:44 PM

It would if he had a good coach...but he came from a terrible coach, so I would say No......Weiss failed him

Bradford accuracy was there from the get go.

Clausen was built up too much before he got to ND, and they continued the same fail that are messing/messed up his brothers.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato Attempting Coup With Redskins

Just days before his contract with the Redskins was due to expire word is that Vinny Cerrato is attempting to re-take the GM position with the redskins.

"It's my job, Bruce stole it from me," is what Vinny Cerrato said to AP reporters today.

Cerrato, who was with the Redskins front office for the past 10 years has apparently locked himself in current GM Bruce Allen's office and is now claiming that he is in-fact in charge of the team once again.

This is not the first Coup d'état Vinny has lead, he successfully had a Coup against Marty Schottenheimer early in his skins career.

Rumors about this attempted Coup D'état originated earlier today from Mel Kiper who, while working on his latest mock draft, speed dialed Redskins GM Bruce Allen's office directly. Thinking that he was talking to Allen, Kiper was probing for information to see what direction the Skins may go with the no.4 pick in the draft.

According to Kiper the voice on the phone shouted exuberantly "We are grabbing that QB out of Notre Dame! He is great, and they are the best school ever, great legacy there!" The voice on the end however was not Allen, but Cerrato.

Confused, but also too lazy to try and confirm who he was talking to Mel just went with the information he had been given. In fact no one got suspicious until later that day when odd rumors began to surface. Rumors that the Redskins were going to offer a 40 million dollar contract to Ladainian Tomlinson after he is expected to be released by San Diego.

Further investigation by reporters who don't exclusively cover the Redskins but still do a good job digging up information on the team. Revealed that Allen was not at Redskins park but out scouting talent. Security has supposedly been trying to get Vinny Cerrato but he has apparently put a chair under the door handle.

Since attempting this Coup, Cerrato has made a series of attempts to exert his leadership. Here is a short list of what we know he has done, keep in mind because he is delusional in what power he has right now, none of these will actually effect the team in any way.

Fired New Head Coach Mike Shannahan, and attempt to replace him with Jim Fassel, after failing to do so he has made the equipment manager the head coach for next season.

Attempted to trade the redskins 2nd round pick for rights to Kurt Warner should he unretire.

Surfed several gay midget pornographic sights on the computer while crying on the phone to team owner Daniel Snyder.

Left death threat phone messages for Jim Zorn, Jason Campbell, the entire staff of the Washington Post, ESPN 980, 106.7 The Fan and for some reason Keanu Reeves.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

i take that back.LaConfora is the biggest idiot

Posted by: xpac69 | February 17, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Idiots (Nfl Version):

McShay
Kiper
Cris Carter
MeShown
Marcellieius Wiley
Schlereth
Golic
Boomer

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

WE STILL HAVE CB5! WHY WOULD WE RISK A #4 PICK ON A QB? O-LINE PLEASE!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 17, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheJury | February 17, 2010 4:58 PM

JC will be tendered. 100% CHANCE

1 of 2 things from there.

1. Some team like the Rams, Seahawks, Raiders, or S.F. wants him and negotiates a lower compensation than the RFA leveled tenders. Say a 2nd. 30% CHANCE

2. JC competes to be the starter next year with a UFA QB like Grossman, Bulger, Pennington (after Fins release him) or a rookie. Either way in this scenario he is a 1 year stop gap. 70% CHANCE

This team needs a completely rebuilt OL. LT, RT, RG, & C.

1st- Okung LT
2nd- Pouncey(C/OG) / Brown (RT) / Ducasse(OG/RT)
4th- Wang (RT) / Estes (C) / Olsen (C)

Sign UFA Chester Pitts RG

There… totally rebuilt OL that will make you more competitive then we were last year in the NFC East (0-6). The 4th pick is too high IMO for either QB. IF Lefevor is there in the 4th RD, I take him. Otherwise wait until next year and there could be 5 guys better in Locker, Lucky, Ponder, Devine, & Mallett.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of LaCanfora, can we safely say that in his war with Vinny Cerrato that Jason LaCanfora really did win that battle in the end?

I mean Jason went up to NFLN, gets to go to the Superbowl as a Reporter for the league's network. Vinny is gonna be kicked out of redskins park end of the month.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Need to give Campbell just a little bit more time to develop. Just another season or two and that pick will really begin to pay big dividends.

Posted by: vztownes | February 17, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It would if he had a good coach...but he came from a terrible coach, so I would say No......Weiss failed him

Bradford accuracy was there from the get go.

Clausen was built up too much before he got to ND, and they continued the same fail that are messing/messed up his brothers.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 5:09 PM
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Weiss was over-rated.
Notre Dame didnt do their homework and examine his effectiveness timeline, when hiring him.
His supposed "genius" at the Pats was during the same time period that Belichick's videographers (2000-2004) allegedly handing over the Defensive "signals".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex - Not really...They both got booted from their positions and Snyder made sure they both landed safely.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 17, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

this may be a next to impossible scenario but what if Bradford is taken by the Rams? New Mocks are saying this...And for some bizarre reason Suh, who has been called a "once in a GM's lifetime pick", is available to the Skins with the 4th.
What do you do? Still go with Okung?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

What do you do? Still go with Okung?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM

No...the man child named SUH.

The best 2 player in the draft are Berry and Suh. I would take either over Okung.
I'm just assuming that Suh will be gone and there is no way we draft a safety @ #4.

Those are the two players that I would take over Okung if we stay @ #4

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

What do you do? Still go with Okung?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM

No...the man child named SUH.

The best 2 player in the draft are Berry and Suh. I would take either over Okung.
I'm just assuming that Suh will be gone and there is no way we draft a safety @ #4.

Those are the two players that I would take over Okung if we stay @ #4

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 5:38 PM
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agreed... Suh is a monster talent.
IF that unlikely scenario should occur, Skins would have to go balls to the wall on OLIne picks thereafter..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if Suh is a monster talent because I don't watch college fooball, but if a monster talent is available when you draft, you have to take it. Those cases are pretty rare, however. You are best off deciding your needs 2 years out and draft the best player available against your needs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

What is it about "OL" that Kiper and the Skins don't understand? We need a QB, yes, but we need OL help like big feet need big shoes. Get the best guard or tackle in the draft at #4 or trade down (if you can) and get more picks for OL help. We don't need to spend another season watching our pathetic line making pro bowlers out of every defense they face while our QB runs for his life and gets pummelled to the dirt every week. Enough of the silliness!

Posted by: jfoster13 | February 17, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This is from an old article, but I found it to be very enlightening:

"When Cerrato worked for the San Francisco 49ers, he said, defensive coordinator Ray Rhodes "would always have Mel's book, every year. We'd be sitting in the draft meetings, and he'd always look up what Mel thought about the guy. We called Ray, 'Ray Kiper."'"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2009-04-24-mel-kiper_N.htm

Explains a lot...

I think one point that *should* be made is that, while he and/or McShay might get the picks wrong, what they project might not necessarily be bad. For instance, he had us taking Oher last year. In hindsight, that wouldn't have been a bad pick, especially considering our sub-par OL. Plus, the Chiefs and Tyson Jackson? Ugh. Curry was the better pick. Maybe they should have listened to Mel...

Posted by: Bra8en | February 17, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't really matter. I've looked at past mocked drafts, compared with what actually happenned, they are RARELY correct.

Either way, we have to get a draft pick for Campbell this year. His value will never be any highter. He's not the future, so having him comeback for a year would basically cost us a 3rd round pick. Futhermore, he'll be benched by the 8th week.

He would be a very expensive care keeper. There are other stop gap QBs avaiable.

So draft a QB, hopefully Bradford, get a draft pick for Campbell cause at this time, we can always sell "he's not that bad, it's just the offensive line"

Next year, went it is proven that the O-line is just fine, and it's the QB that sucks, we wont be able to get a thing for him.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | February 17, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

We will be drafting Clausen at #4 and it's the right decision. Kiper (according to Scouts and front office reps.) is not the only one is very high on him, Pete Prisco, Trent Dilfer, writer for the Sporting News and many others feel the same. Simply put, the majority of you are definitely not experts and have shown by your statements exactly why you will never be making selections for any NFL team in the near future. The offensive line needs improvement but QB has to be are first priority because Campbell is not a franchise QB. Campbell holds onto the ball way too long, doesn't make the pre-snap reads that are necessary, is unable to process through his reads quickly and when he finally decides where he is going to throw he is not very accurate and has way too long of a throwing motion. I have never heard people make so many excuses for a guy that no one outside of Washington thinks is a franchise guy, all you had to do is watch Todd Collins lead us down the field against the Giants in three consecutive throws to see the flaws in Campbell’s game.

If you don't have a franchise guy then you need to draft and develop one and Clausen is the best guy available. He ran a pro system for the past 3 years and made a huge improvement each and every year. Unlike Bradford, Clausen was sacked over 50 times alone during is freshman year and hit and sacked many times thereafter. Not once did he suffer a major injury (in fact he played through two torn ligaments in his toe) and never became afraid of the pass rush despite his past where he was getting decked. Bradford played in college system, has basically never taken any snaps under center, had all day back in the shotgun to throw behind an offensive line that produced three NFL starters and was injured the first time he took some tough hits against BYU. Simply put, most of you just don't know what you are talking about and should do some film study before make these dumb statements. We can get OL in free agency and later on in the draft, we will not be able to get a decent QB prospect after the first round...do your homework!!

Posted by: rj3743 | February 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

morons are people like this guy..talking thru his WRONG a**...kiper had 8/10...players named correctly in the top 5
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Posted by: Rypien11
That's cause Kiper is a moron.

No need to worry, RI, this is good news. Hes always wrong.

Mel Kiper's 2009 mock draft
Pick Team Player Position College
1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest

ACTUAL

1 (1) DET Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 (2) STL Jason Smith OT Baylor
3 (3) KAN Tyson Jackson DE LSU
4 (4) SEA Aaron Curry OLB Wake Forest
5 (5) NYJ Mark Sanchez QB Southern Cal


===================================
Mel kiper 2008 mock draft

1 Miami Dolphins - Chris Long, DE Virginia
2 St. Louis Rams - Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU
3 Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan, QB Boston College
4 Oakland Raiders - Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas
5 Kansas City Chiefs - Jake Long, OT Michigan

ACTUAL

1 (1) MIA Jake Long T Michigan
2 (2) STL Chris Long DE Virginia
3 (3) ATL Matt Ryan QB Boston College
4 (4) OAK Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
5 (5) KAN Glenn Dorsey DT Louisiana State


Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | February 17, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 17, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Kiper makes Jimmy the Greek look like Albert Einstein

Prior to 2001 predicted that the Patriots would go 0-16 and get the top pick in the 2002 draft

Said in 1998 that Ryan Leaf's "attitude" gave him a mental edge over Peyton Manning

Declared John Walsh a 1st round pick in 95 even AFTER his dismal performance at the combine

Predicted Adam Steuer of Coastal Carolina would be in the HOF - Steuer was out of the NFL in two years.

Named Mike Williams the best player in the 2005 draft - when Merrill Hoge disagreed he said "I'll see you at his HOF induction ceremony." Pretty clear at this pt that there won't be a HOF ceremony for Mike Williams.

Stated that J.J. Stokes was a "sure-thing" as a future All-Pro. Stokes never had more than 770 yards receiving in eight seasons with SF.

Berated the Colts for picking Marshall Faulk with the second pick in 1994, and said they should have gone with Trent Dilfer or Heath Shuler. Yes. Trent Dilfer or Heath Shuler.

Posted by: guruvinny | February 17, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

i am NO fan of Kiper, but just to point out

he did go 5/5 in 2008, but not exactly in that order

in 2009, in retrospect KC would have been far better with Sanchez than Jackson and Crabtree had top tier talent but mentally played himself out of the top 5. he may yet be a terror at WR
Smith also has talent and ate his way out of the top 5

it isnt as though he had any Ryan Leafs among his picks..

Posted by: shally | February 17, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they are hoping to get free pickles for life.

Posted by: enemil | February 17, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Colts VP/Head of Football Operations, Bill Tobin said it best years ago about Kiper:

"Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway? I mean, here's a guy who criticizes everybody, whoever they take. In my knowledge of him, he's never even put on a jockstrap, he's never been a player, he's never been a coach, he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he's an expert. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor's a postman and he doesn't even have season tickets to the NFL."

Posted by: guruvinny | February 17, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Kiper and Jimmy Johnson have the same barber! Do not like either one! Two loud mouths! BTW, F-Dallas and Kiper!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 17, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

to short to be a 1st round pick.Skins will take the best o- lineman with the pick. Clausen may be a good qb but, not in the 1st round. may take him 2nd but he years from being a NFL QB

Posted by: lostdogrwd1011 | February 17, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Kiper isn't the answer!! If people think he knows draft picks he doesn't. He looks at the best player on the board. He doesn't look at draft needs. I watched his draft board over the years and a lot of his picks doesn't go the same as his mock draft. He is good at recognizing college talent but not projecting draft picks. Teams have more tape on what they need and what route they will take. All this before the draft is all a big smoke screen to get fans involved and try to believe in these guys and their football wisdom.

Posted by: thetruth4real | February 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

campbell had a better stats than carlson palmer who was bad most of the year..his team won 10gms because of a good o-line and running game. Now did the bengals win because of palmer in 2009? NO, they won because they have a more complete team and flacco with the ravens did the same thing(the jury is still out on him he is NOT a good qb yet) If campbell was on the ravens last year he would have been in the play-offs also. draft down get more picks fix the o-line!! the qb is 1 position fools(some of you) if much of the team is broken NO qb in the world can do alot.

Posted by: wathu19 | February 17, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter the coach.

It doesn't matter the GM.

It doesn't matter the QB.

As long as Danny Boy owns the Redskins, the 'Skins will be LOSERS.

6-10 (at best) in 2010

Posted by: mdpilot | February 17, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins offense needs upgrades at many positions - 4 o-linemen, a speed receiver (Moss has slowed down),at QB, and at running back. The team also needs to upgrade cornerback and linebacker on defense. They are not going to do that in this draft with 5 picks. However, unlike the past they need to intelligently select draft picks, resign personnel that can at least fill in next season while the others are developing, and sign free agents that can help in the future. A step towards respectability would be an 8-8 season next year; 4-12 is at the bottom of the respectability heap, no reason to go there anymore.

Posted by: edeshields | February 17, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I wish I had Kiper's job. He gets paid to guess just like the the weatherman. Better yet he's like the guys in Vegas playing roulette. The play the game but have no idea what they are talking about. It's just a big guess.

Posted by: ajb1094 | February 18, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

If they take Clausen I'm officially done - I can't stand the guy.

I know, I have issues....

Posted by: kone | February 18, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: rj3743 | February 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We did do our homework and we found that Clausen has never thrown for more than 300 yards against a ranked opponent and was outplayed against like opponents by Darryl Clark and Tony Pike. He played mostly awful teams. He beats up on cream puffs most of the year. Check out where Michigan, Michigan State, Washington, Washington State, and Nevada ranked in pass defense. He's also too short to be considered as having franchise size. Before you mention Drew Brees go back and look at the long list of all the guys that didn't make it. Brees is the exception, not the rule. First round QBs also have a 50% bust rate. Excuse us if we don't find that he's such a great prospect. You don't take a 6 year $50 gamble on a guy with this many questions. Why not wait until next year and take a $25 million 5 year gamble on a guy with less questions? If we draft Clausen the Redskins will not receive one more dime from me until Snyder is gone.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 18, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Jimmy Clausen has any plans to run for Congress? Like Heath Shuler, that's the only way he'll ever have any success in Washington.

Let me do the math:

Overrated rookie QB + horrendous OL + NFC East pass rushers = complete freakin' clusterfluck of historic proportions.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | February 18, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

STEPHEN NEAL TESTING THE FREEE AGENT MARKET, THROW THE EFFIN CHECKBOOK AT HIM NOW!!!

Posted by: jefferboy | February 18, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The success of 2011 and beyond is dependent on the Redskin team building strategy developed in 2010. A 4-12 record is an indication of a really bad team but when you consider it was accomplished with an older team it is an absolute disgrace.

A dialogue about individual draft picks and existing players as though they will make a difference in 2010 is a meaningless discussion with the number of holes the Redskins have to fill. All of the moves need to fit a long term success pattern, something that has been missing for the past 18 years of not going to a super bowl.

The Redskins need offensive upgrades at right & left tackle, right guard, center, running back, speed receiver (Moss has slowed down), and QB. The team needs defensive upgrades at linebacker and cornerback. There are 5 draft picks of which 2 at best will start next year and there are few, if any, prior year young development players that are ready to step into a starting role.

Young free agents, trades for draft picks, and intelligent draft selections are the key for the future. An 7-9 record next year would be an excellent sign of improvement if it is done with the future in mind.

In the Snyder years The Redskins have gone through the annual bring in a couple of free agent/coach hype as though it was going to get us into the super bowl, which was always followed by disappointing season. It is time for a change to a continuous team building strategy, let's hope it has occurred with the new GM & Coach - we will soon know.

Posted by: edeshields | February 18, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't do it Clausen. I haven't followed you at all, but you don't want to play for that bunch of losers. As long as Danny-boy owns the team, you're better off playing in Cananda or Europe.

Posted by: tigger0705 | February 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

this has kiper loseing alot of credibility. He's just contradicted himself. Why would he make such a prediction? Maybe he's bored or just helping the skins mislead other NFL teams in believing this idea, a little gamesmanship. Only problem no one's really buying it.

Posted by: sthai75 | February 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is an idiot...he never gets picks correct or says that would have been the "other" player he would have picked.

Posted by: goosedude | February 18, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this is a smoke screen, and some team who is hard up for a QB will trade picks with us to get that 4 pick. If we draft Clausen, and he starts I think we have worse than a 4-12 record coming.

Russell Okung is THE ONLY option with that pick.

Anything else would be uncivilized.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 17, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

My name's Notorious LMG and I approve this message.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 18, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You don't spend the #4 pick on a tackling dummy. If we don't fix the O-line problems, that is all the QB is going to be. Looks like blowing smoke to try and get someone to trade with us.

Posted by: skins50 | February 18, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, the more I read about this Clausen fool, the worse he sounds. I'm not sure we'd want him if he fell into the 4th round, to be honest.

If we take him at #4, we'll definitely be in a pickle. (ok, I admit it: pun intended)

Cocky, entitled, AND a loser?
That's a hard combination to come by.

Most would drop the cockiness with perpetual mediocrity.

Seems like a real doosie, this guy.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 18, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

To - Notorious_LMG - I have no problems with picking Russell Okung or the 2 other tackles that are rated at his level at a 6 or lower pick. In no respectable talent valuation service is he, or the other tackles, categorized as impact players. Pick 1 thru 5 should be limited to impact players. If you like Okung you should suggest that the Redskins trade down and obtain other picks, but in no way should they select a potential average (he could be better but it is a chance) player with a number 4 pick.
What makes you think he is a number 4 pick when so many experts have questions about him?

Posted by: edeshields | February 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Brady Quinn is not really setting the world on fire with a better OL...

Do not draft Heath Shuler 2.0

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Posted by: oldnova | February 18, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"We did do our homework and we found that Clausen has never thrown for more than 300 yards against a ranked opponent and was outplayed against like opponents by Darryl Clark and Tony Pike."

I guess my response to this has to be: "so, what's yer point?" Why put such weight on an arbitrary measure like such as '300 yards passing against opponents ranked at the time his team played them." Likewise, since we're not applying NFL tiebreaker criteria, what difference does it make how Clark and Pike performed against common opponents? They were playing on different teams. Clark may not even play QB in the NFL.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Kiper makes mistakes in his predictions when the majority of the league's scouts have made the same mistake. That's because he's just parroting what he hears from them. When the consensus is correct, Mel's usually correct. When they're wrong, so is he. And that includes the ill-fated drafting of Ryan Leaf, who charged up draft boards late because of his ostensible 'passion' for the game. As opposed to the overly cerebral Peyton Manning.

Peyton still went first, but if you recall, Polian had to defend his choice to a skeptical media.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Back to the uniforms, i came up with the perfect uniform design for the Redskins and this should be a serious topic, keep the same logo on the helmet on one side and place the arrow on the otherside, that way when they are going left to right you see one logo and when they go from right to left you see another. no NFL team has that combo and it would look nice with the Gold leaf color added instead of the yellow. so what do you think am i crazy or what? think about it and somebody draw it up please.

Posted by: kreed21 | February 20, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

On a completely unrelated note, does anybody have any rope and maybe a stool I can borrow?
Posted by: gtstang9t3

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LMAO at that one. Hilarious. The comment, of course, not the prospect of Clausen coming to the Skins. That's got Heath Shuler written all over it.

Posted by: johnwp | February 20, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Kiper made that pick before Samuels ever missed a game. If he didn't change it, it was probably after it became news worthy as it became even more morose... ludicrous. Seriously in the middle of the season I was scanning for draft choices to scout and he had that pick up on the ESPN board.

Who was that diva who held a baby off a balcony to show the press? Brittney Spears? Madonna? Michael Jackson? I think it was Snyder with talks of trading for that Cal kid that went to the Jets. That one that was below 50/50 on pass%.

Posted by: chavez66 | February 21, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

redskins using a high firsr round pick on any of the "highly" regard qb's in the draft would prove that shanhan and allen do not have any idea of what they have on the team or how to rebuild it.

If they want a young qb to develop them draft one in the 2nd round or at leat trade down for more pick and then pick this guy who by some is view as a high second rounder.

Simple put there is no qb in this draft worthy of being picked above the 20th pick in the draft. They all have troubling flaws or are damaged goods.

Posted by: drpolarbear | February 21, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

say it ain't so!!!!!

Posted by: job22 | February 21, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

To drpolarbear - I do not think a 2nd round QB is a bad option. However, the experts have said this is not a stellar year for o-lineman and there are no impact Tackles, and the first 5 picks at a minimum should be used for impact players. The question to you is what would you do with the 4th pick?

Posted by: edeshields | February 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'd prfer they give Colt a shot.. but right now if that's the only way to get rid of Campbell... then do it. Besides a number 7 from Notre Dame. The last time the Skins had a QB who was #7 at ND.. they did pretty well..

Posted by: sovine08 | February 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Here's Kipers 2009 picks compared to the actual picks. The reality of his lack of accuracy is apparent. I wonder if he gets a kickback from the players he picks as top 10?

kiper
1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama
3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC
4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech
5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest
6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor
7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri
8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia
9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St.
10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St.

NFL
1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR

Posted by: Jon7 | February 22, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

gtstang9t3: "On a completely unrelated note, does anybody have any rope and maybe a stool I can borrow?"

Best post ever!

Posted by: greg34 | February 22, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Kiper's "logic" continues the Notre Dame myth into the 21st century. ND continues to be held in high esteem as some kind of bell-wether football program - that may have been true 30 years ago but now...they have become no longer relevant. A #36 pick is more like it for Claussen. The Skins need to trade the top pick for several lower picks and acquire as many bodies (hopefully OL guys) as they can - hoping that at least a few live up to their potential. As much as I want Campbell out of there, this is not the year to do it in!

Posted by: mvlee2 | February 23, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Needs........hmmmm. This is the recipe for improvement next year. We acquire these pieces then consider the draft a success. If they deviate from this plan- expect the same for the next few years.


2-3 offensive lineman - foundation.
1 RB that runs under a 4.4.
1 DL that can rush the passer.
1 LB that can play in a 3-4 (Jerry Porter is available).
1 DB that can play man if expected.
1 Safety that can play the pass.

If this is attained - SOMEHOW- then we might win some games next year. Now, this doesn't mean that all of you go buy season tickets. Remember who's pocket your lining.

Posted by: pstate11 | February 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't go QB in first round. Stick with JC. You can Get Tim Tebow later in the draft as a 2 year project who only needs to master a quicker release to go with his huge size and huge arm. Trade down and pick up extra draft picks. I'd rather have two late first round picks than a #4 pick.

Posted by: greg34 | February 23, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Gee, all we need, another locker room prima donna!

Keep JC and go with the linemen! What else makes sense? JC can play with some support in front of hime!

Posted by: rsgwynn1 | February 23, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Gee, all we need, another locker room prima donna!

Keep JC and go with the linemen! What else makes sense? JC can play with some support in front of hime!

Posted by: rsgwynn1 | February 23, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

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