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Kiper's argument for the Redskins drafting Clausen

To QB or not QB - that's the burning question facing the Redskins as the NFL draft approaches.

For ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr., it's apparently a no-brainer. Even though the Redskins have glaring holes on their offensive line and elsewhere, Kiper thinks the team should use its No. 4 pick on a quarterback. He explained why earlier today during a conference call.

"Would you rather have Anthony Davis (Rutgers) or Russell Okung (Oklahoma State) at four," Kiper said of the draft's top offensive linemen, "and then Colt McCoy (Texas) or Dan LeFevour (Central Michigan) in the second round? Or would you rather have Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford at four, and then maybe a Bruce Campbell, the offensive tackle out of Maryland, or even a Bryan Bulaga (Iowa) if he fell down there? We've seen it happen before where tackles have dropped at times into the second round.

"In the case of a player like Clausen or Bradford, I would take the quarterback first. I have Clausen and Bradford rated higher than Davis and Okung. So I would go the quarterback first, then try to get the offensive tackle in the second round and hope that a Bruce Campbell or a Bulaga or somebody like that fell down to me."

Specifically, Kiper has broken with the draft pack and projects the Redskins to select Clausen -- not Bradford -- in the first round. It's a somewhat surprising prediction, considering some analysts don't even view Clausen as a first-round pick.

Kiper said he's spoken with Clausen's former teammates, opponents, coaches and everyone raves about Clausen. His ESPN colleague, Todd McShay, however, questions Clausen's leadership abilities and projects the Notre Dame quarterback, as the No. 36th pick in the draft.

One thing the two agree on: the Redskins are targeting a quarterback
in this year's draft.

"Whether one of those two goes to the Redskins -- I'm leaning right now to Clausen becoming a Redskin at the fourth pick," Kiper said.

Regardless, this draft will be an interesting one for the Redskins. With Mike Shanahan now on board, the Redskins have a guy at the controls who's made his name as one of the game's top coaches, but he's been hounded by questions about his personnel decisions.

"Mike Shanahan is a guy who evaluates personnel. I think he likes it," Kiper said. "You've got to be passionate about studying film and evaluating players. I've always talked about Rex Ryan in that regard. I know he loved the studying and evaluating personnel. And I think Mike Shanahan does as well.

"I think there were some things done - I don't know who made final decisions on some of the things in Denver. There were some mistakes made there that kind of hurt that franchise a bit. But overall, I have great respect for Mike's ability as a coach, No. 1. And certainly in Washington, his personnel skills are going to be on display right away."

By Rick Maese  |  February 17, 2010; 4:58 PM ET
 
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Each draft slot is assigned a value. #4 is worth Seattle's two 1st round picks. They want a QB-BRADFORD. They will trade with us to get #4. We take OT Okung and OG Mile Iupati with the 2 picks. We trade Cooley for a mid-high 1st rd pick and we draft OT Trent Williams for the R tackle spot. In free agency sign both RB Chester Taylor and Darren Sproles as the 3rd down back and we give Colt Brennan his chance. With our 2nd round pick, we take a center, Maurkice Pouncey Florida 6-5 318. 4th round, take a backup QB in case Colt doesn't fit. Trade Albert Haynesworth for SF two 1st rd picks and draft S Taylor Mays Southern Cal 6-3 230 4.45 plays like the great Sean Taylor #21 and OT Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts 6-5 330 for rotation. To fill the hole left with Albert gone, sign free agent NT Vince Wilfork from the Patriots. Albert wasn't the player he should have been. There, with one draft, I have rebuilt this team to be a superbowl team. We end up with 5 first round picks. It's uncapped, we can spend anything we like!
One more thing-don't waste the #4 pick on a hit or miss QB! There is no Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or even dare I say it, Troy Aikman in this draft! Trade the pick and pic up our Oline!
Are you listening Shanny? This is what I would do if I were GM...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

DON'T FORGET WE HAVE COLT BRENNAN CB5!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I STILL BELIEVE THIS COULD WORK EXCEPT MAYBE "AH". TRADE ANYONE EXCEPT MARKO, ORAKPO, JARMON, AND COLT.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 17, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Each draft slot is assigned a value. #4 is worth Seattle's two 1st round picks. They want a QB-BRADFORD. They will trade with us to get #4. We take OT Okung and OG Mile Iupati with the 2 picks. We trade Cooley for a mid-high 1st rd pick and we draft OT Trent Williams for the R tackle spot. In free agency sign both RB Chester Taylor and Darren Sproles as the 3rd down back and we give Colt Brennan his chance. With our 2nd round pick, we take a center, Maurkice Pouncey Florida 6-5 318. 4th round, take a backup QB in case Colt doesn't fit. Trade Albert Haynesworth for SF two 1st rd picks and draft S Taylor Mays Southern Cal 6-3 230 4.45 plays like the great Sean Taylor #21 and OT Vladimir Ducasse Massachusetts 6-5 330 for rotation. To fill the hole left with Albert gone, sign free agent NT Vince Wilfork from the Patriots. Albert wasn't the player he should have been. There, with one draft, I have rebuilt this team to be a superbowl team. We end up with 5 first round picks. It's uncapped, we can spend anything we like!
One more thing-don't waste the #4 pick on a hit or miss QB! There is no Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or even dare I say it, Troy Aikman in this draft! Trade the pick and pic up our Oline!
Are you listening Shanny? This is what I would do if I were GM...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | February 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Dude, even Madden would laugh at this. I don't even know where to start. 1st rounder for Cooley? In your dreams. Sproles is a RFA, and he's not going anywhere without serious draft compensation. Albert Haynesworth for 2 1st round picks? Are you high?! Homeboy spent more time with an oxygen mask on than playing snaps last year. Plus, who else would be dumb enough to take on his 41 million contract? Taylor Mays the second coming of Sean Taylor? Please, ST's memory could outplay his overrated a$$ any day. Man, gotta love the Madden GMs...

Posted by: DCinSD | February 17, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

looks like nothing's going to change in skins land for quite awhile.

Posted by: BMACattack | February 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Man, gotta love the Madden GMs...

Posted by: DCinSD | February 17, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I stand to reason that if I do well in Madden on Franchise mode I obviously would make a good GM. Brilliant!!!

I had a friend who had never played soccer in his life, but he was awesome playing the FIFA soccer games. One day he looked at me and told me he would be great at soccer......because he was great at FIFA.

I thought he was kidding, but he was dead serious. I couldnt even begin to rationalize that thought process, that is until I got on this blog and people throw out that they are good at Madden. So logically that translates into them being able to be a good GM.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

What do you do? Still go with Okung?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM

No...the man child named SUH.

The best 2 player in the draft are Berry and Suh. I would take either over Okung.
I'm just assuming that Suh will be gone and there is no way we draft a safety @ #4.

Those are the two players that I would take over Okung if we stay @ #4

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 5:38 PM
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agreed... Suh is a monster talent.
IF that unlikely scenario should occur, Skins would have to go balls to the wall on OLIne picks thereafter..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I stand to reason that if I do well in Madden on Franchise mode I obviously would make a good GM. Brilliant!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 17, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Thats just silly,

Now if you can create a team and starting with a "cupcake roster" turn that team into a playoff team in 3 seasons and a superbowl winning team in 5 years, all while not playing a single game in season and not tricking the system (Maddintes know what I mean). THAN you are qualified to be a GM.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 17, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Once again KurtShanaman proves he is indeed a fool.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Kiper talks about the need the Skins have on the OL, like its just one need. I'd draft OL with my top 2 picks, then get 1 or 2 more with my remaining picks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 17, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"His ESPN colleague, Todd McShay, however, questions Clausen's leadership abilities and projects the Notre Dame quarterback, as the No. 36th pick in the draft"

By Rick Maese | February 17, 2010; 4:58 PM ET

I hate to nit pick but, McShay has him rated as the 36th best prospect in the draft, not the 36th pick by K.C.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

What do you do? Still go with Okung?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 5:31 PM


Yes, you still go with Okung, or Davis. If the skins are moving to a 3-4 it doesnt make sense to draft Suh. As talented as he is, im not sure if he is big enough to play the nose in the 3-4 at 300 pounds. If you move him to end you are risking him become Tyson Jackson part two. We like to hope that the skins wont be picking in the top 5 anytime soon so they should make it count when they do. Suh would be a reach. If you have no glaring holes you can reach but the skins having a glaring need at tackle and a golden opportunity to address it. There should be no debate as to what position should be taken with pick # 4, Okung or Davis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 17, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate to nit pick but, McShay has him rated as the 36th best prospect in the draft, not the 36th pick by K.C.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 6:02 PM

So, it follows that if all teams subscribe to Vinny's "Best Player Available" theory, and they all agree on McShay's rankings, then Kansas City gets him. Maybe we can trade up?

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 17, 2010 6:07 PM

Suh would play DE in a 3-4. Judging the DEs or NTs in a 3-4 by stats is different than those that play in a 4-3. Monty would play NT along with a UFA pick up like Justin Bannon. That would make for a hell of a front 3.

Doesn't matter, Suh will be off the board when we're on the clock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, you still go with Okung, or Davis. If the skins are moving to a 3-4 it doesnt make sense to draft Suh. As talented as he is, im not sure if he is big enough to play the nose in the 3-4 at 300 pounds. If you move him to end you are risking him become Tyson Jackson part two. We like to hope that the skins wont be picking in the top 5 anytime soon so they should make it count when they do. Suh would be a reach. If you have no glaring holes you can reach but the skins having a glaring need at tackle and a golden opportunity to address it. There should be no debate as to what position should be taken with pick # 4, Okung or Davis.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 17, 2010 6:07 PM

I agree 100%. I really don't see any QB in the draft worth a high first so pass and take the best player available of need. OL in the 1st!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

But you actually could get a 1st rounder ... maybe more than one for Haynesworth. You could get a 2nd and 3rd for say a package of Cooley and Campbell. Then you could draft OL and a QB, bringing back Montgomery into the mix at NT/DT, Jarmon and Orapko at end? And then sign the infamous Julius Peppers?

Would they do this? ;)

Posted by: lerici | February 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Scamp-

The question was if Suh was on the board at #4 would you still take Okung. QB not a consideration.

L-S-

I thought you saved some mock draft to re-post everytime the "ninnes" started to whine about the latest mock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

But you actually could get a 1st rounder ... maybe more than one for Haynesworth. You could get a 2nd and 3rd for say a package of Cooley and Campbell. Then you could draft OL and a QB, bringing back Montgomery into the mix at NT/DT, Jarmon and Orapko at end? And then sign the infamous Julius Peppers?

Would they do this? ;)

Posted by: lerici | February 17, 2010 6:26 PM |

I've got an idea! Let's trade evreyone thats worth a damn for a bunch of picks that may or may not pan out!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I say we get Bruce Campbell. Evil Dead is a classic, I love all the Spider-Man cameos, and Burn Notice is a really cool show.

Posted by: MrDumberton | February 17, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Genius. Who knew sportswriters were as gullible as TV writers who oohed and awwwed every time Paula Abdul appeared drunk or threatened to quit American Idol.

Kiper, the self-promoter picked Clausen for maximum publicity, that's why.

Posted by: TheCork | February 17, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

But you actually could get a 1st rounder ... maybe more than one for Haynesworth.

Posted by: lerici | February 17, 2010 6:26 PM

Yeah, all those teams out there last year that didn't want to sign him as a free agent will suddenly want to give up multiple first round picks to get him. And the reason they want to do this is what? Because he looked so bad last year in a Redskins uniform?

No one is taking Haynesworth with the contract the Redskins negotiated. He's ours. Get to love him -- when he plays.

Posted by: League-Source | February 17, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 17, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

See, Mel does not take into consideration that the Redskins could trade down, get a couple of OL-men and still be ok for at least another year with JC at the helm.

I really don't see either Clausen or Bradford being worthy of that top pick.

Honestly, they need O-linemen badly and not just one.

Last year you could see Sanchez was worthy of a top pick, but not the guys that are there now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 17, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Last year you could see Sanchez was worthy of a top pick, but not the guys that are there now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz


As much disdain as i have for Jason campbell, I have to say I agree with you Ray. JC is better IMHO than Bradford or Clausen coming out of college. Therefore, I stick with him, (if he stays) and build all other need positions. Colt Brennan seems to have lost something, but will be given a chance. He does remind me of a less granola Jake Plummer.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | February 17, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

HEy Kiper... how about no QB at all?

Okung in the 1st... a guard or RB in the 2nd.

Posted by: the_wickster2000 | February 17, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans - Get ready for your annual Spring Superbowl Victory parade.

What is it up to now? Something like 10 consecutive Spring Superbowls victories?

Now there's a dynasty!

Posted by: DaleGribble | February 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Donte Stallworth is a Raven. Hope he has cab fare in his Contract.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

All successful NFL QB's have one thing in common and that is accuracy - so take Bradford if Snyder must reach for a QB with #4.

The Redskins better stop thinking sexy and get a OT with #4.

It's time they stop messing around with what wins in the NFC East which is strong trench play.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | February 17, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Right On zcezcest1! I am with you! This team has neglected its O-line for way to long thanks to that idiot Cerrato! I am so glad that he is gone! PLEASE DRAFT O-LINEMEN! PLEASE!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

DaleGribble, Why don`t you go to the cowboys website? That is where you know you want to be! You sir are a Jack-Ass and a Clown! F-you and Dallas!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | February 17, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I think what makes the most sense is to take the best player available given the multitude of needs you have. I have re-thought my draft board.

Needs: LT, CB, QB, C, G, FS, LB

Kiper is out of his stupid mind if he thinks either of those QB's are a #4 pick. Every board out there has Okung as a top five. We pick at #4, so...

1st round draft Okung if no trade back.

We REALLY NEED at shut-down style corner who can support the run D. Not gonna get one after the second round, and Perish Cox (5-11 190 OK St) is rated as a late #1 or #2 round pick

2nd round select Perish Cox

In the fourth round I'm looking for FS or OL again. I like CB/FS Myron Lewis (6-2 205 Vandy), I like OG Marshal Newhouse 6-3 317 TCU - one of the fastest Guard on the board and versatile (depth), or I like FS Terrel Skinner (6-2 214 MD)

4th round select OG Marshal Newhouse ...or Lewis if Newhouse is gone.

In the Fifth round, I take QB John Skelton from Fordham. He looks to me to be a good prospect, can throw well moving left or right, cannon arm, and at 6-5 245, he can certainly see over the O line.

7th round I select G/C Erik Cook 6-6 315 New Mexico. Athletic for his size and a leader on his team, looks like a good prospect with depth potential.

If we draft Clausen or Bradford at #4, and they under-perform, we are sunk for another 5 years, and I have concerns about both.


Posted by: edvar | February 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

And how many games has Mel Kiper won in the NFL again?

Posted by: jbkulp | February 17, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I stand to reason that if I do well in Madden on Franchise mode I obviously would make a good GM. Brilliant!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 17, 2010 5:40 PM


Yeah, I go out of my way to not fall into this category...good luck to your FIFA buddy and that Shanaman idiot trying to evaluate talent WITHOUT the predetermined ratings in the game. All the players pretty much look the same in real life without an overall rating next to their picture and it's the GM's job to sort out the good players from the bad.

Plus reality has no reset button if you draft Clausen and he sucks schwetty balls. You're stuck with him and his Haynesworth-esque salary for the next 5 years.

Stay the course...pass on Clausen, load up on OL help, and F Kiper. Dude is as 80s as his friggin' hairstyle.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 17, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Why does the WashPost promote Kiper who has been far more wrong than right about team draft selections in the past?
Ummmm WashPost Sports Editor looking for work at ESPN?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | February 17, 2010 7:29 PM

I like your research and the thought you put into your post.

My Needs: LT, RT, RG, FS, OLB/MLB, C, RB
Your needs: LT, CB, QB, C, G, FS, LB

I like your choices especially if I'm following your needs. Overall that would be a successful draft, IMO.

1st- Okung- MOST DEF
2nd- CB Perish Cox- I like Kyle Wilson if still available or Javier Arenas (CB/KR/PR and one of my favorite guys in the draft)
4th-I like OG Lewis better
5th-QB John Skelton- MOST DEF
7TH-C/G Eric Cook- MOST DEF

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy, at this point, if they could land a great tackle and a starting cornerback! Ecstatic adding a premium center/guard.

Posted by: lerici | February 17, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Man I wish the 12 yr olds would stop with.....if we trade Cooley for a blah blah blah....Cooley isnt going anywhere! Get over it, damn this has become such a Madden fantasy world. I need a beer.

Posted by: SkinEm1 | February 17, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"Kiper said he's spoken with Clausen's former teammates, opponents, coaches and everyone raves about Clausen."

Wow.

That's some unbiased analysis.

Next, Kiper will tell us that Clausen's mom thinks her son is cuter than Joe Jonas.

(Whoever he is.)

Too bad Kiper didn't explain his ideas with chatta about Clausen's leadership, accuracy, knowledge of the pro system, work with Charlie Weis, and various come from behind wins induced with his electric passing.

But then again, without all that, how could he?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"And how many games has Mel Kiper won in the NFL again?"


Kiper is a football pundit.

He makes his coin getting the minutae about various football Bubbas right, then regurgitating it on tv in mid April while we slurp beer, fart, and forget that he gets about 3 picks out of 32 right in the 1st round.

Laugh at him all you want, but you must admire his game: the dude's a self-made sports info hustler.

He's the Larry Flynt of football.

Only with hair.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

People...people...people!!!!

Have you ever even been a fantasy football league GM???

You don't draft an O-lineman at #4 if he's not worthy of that pick.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 17, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"looks like nothing's going to change in skins land for quite awhile"

__________________

Considering the fact that the Skins have drafted one QB in the top 5 in like, well, the last billion years, I hardly see how drafting Bradford or Clausen would be the "same ole'."

I can't believe that some folks are on here arguing that Clausen or Bradford aren't as good as JC "now," as if the point of drafting one of those QB's would be for next year only, and not the future. And, if the Skins finish with a mediocre record next year, how will they be in a position to take a franchise QB prospect?

Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis to mentor the new Ravens Wide Receiver, Donte Stallworth.

Not making this up...(from sportspickle.com)

Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis says he is excited the team has signed free agent receiver Donte Stallworth, who was suspended for the 2009 season for DUI manslaughter. "The Lord has laid trials and tribulations down upon both of us," Lewis said today in an interview he is filming for the NFL Network about how he has mentored Stallworth since the receiver signed with the Ravens. "But these burdens were only laid down upon us because the Lord knew we were strong enough, that we were man enough, to carry them, you understand? He empowered us to be strong through Him and inspire others, you see? And I've been able to help Donte walk the right path and stay close to Jesus." Stallworth says he has never spoken with Lewis. "We've spoken spiritually," says the linebacker. "He knows it in his heart. I've always been there for him. Now all he has to do is accept my presence in his life."

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Too many teams have proven that you don't need a 1st round QB to win a SB, including Joe Gibbs' teams. The one constant his SB winning teams had was a strong offensive line.

Posted by: Redskinrex | February 17, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

agreed... Suh is a monster talent.
IF that unlikely scenario should occur, Skins would have to go balls to the wall on OLIne picks thereafter..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

Man if we do take Suh, we could still draft a QB in later rounds. There will be some good O-Lineman in Free Agency, Tony Pashos, Mike Gandy(Veteran leadership and good solid RT), Tra Thomas(See Tra Thomas comments), also we could resign Levi Jones, how about go Suh 4th overall, with the 37th overall pick take Charles Brown/Bryan Buluga/Trent Williams, so let's just try the wait and see process far as the off season goes because there are so many scenarios that can be played out on RI.

Posted by: robbkels | February 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

agreed... Suh is a monster talent.
IF that unlikely scenario should occur, Skins would have to go balls to the wall on OLIne picks thereafter..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM |

Man if we do take Suh, we could still draft a QB in later rounds. There will be some good O-Lineman in Free Agency, Tony Pashos, Mike Gandy(Veteran leadership and good solid RT), Tra Thomas(See Tra Thomas comments), also we could resign Levi Jones, how about go Suh 4th overall, with the 37th overall pick take Charles Brown/Bryan Buluga/Trent Williams, so let's just try the wait and see process far as the off season goes because there are so many scenarios that can be played out on RI.

Posted by: robbkels | February 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The one thing we have is a QB coming off his best statistical year. There are probably 6 or more teams who would play Campbell in a minute. With Samuels basically through and Stephon Heyer a reach. We need tackles desperately,it shouldn't even be up for discussion.History dictates a larger number of OTs being successful taken early rather than QBs

Posted by: Modelchip | February 17, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Free Agent Alert

You know that saying about timing being everything? Karlos Dansby does.

The Arizona Cardinals linebacker had one of the greatest single-game defensive performances in recent memory last month when his splashy plays -- including a mid-air fumble recovery for a game-winning touchdown in overtime -- keyed a pulsating victory over Aaron Rodgers and the red-hot Green Bay Packers in the wild-card round of the NFC playoffs.

Turns out Dansby is going to be an unrestricted free agent; really and truly. The Cardinals, who designated Dansby as their "franchise" player the last two seasons and paid him a one-year deal of $9.68 million in 2009, reportedly will not tag the sixth-year pro in 2010. That means Dansby (unlike his unfortunate colleagues restricted under the Collective Bargaining Agreement for the pending uncapped year) will be free to shop his services to everyone around the league.

In an interview with Sirius radio last week, Dansby said he has four teams in mind: San Diego, Miami, Washington and the New York Giants.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that some folks are on here arguing that Clausen or Bradford aren't as good as JC "now," as if the point of drafting one of those QB's would be for next year only, and not the future. And, if the Skins finish with a mediocre record next year, how will they be in a position to take a franchise QB prospect?

Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 9:09 PM

That would be true if Clausen or Bradford were worthy of the 4th pick in the draft. Way too many questions and red flags on both.

The skins need a QB, just not this year. JC is the QB for next year and next year only. The 2011 draft will have 5 QBs that would qualify as potential franchise QBs and have a higher ceiling than this year’s potential 1st rounder’s.

By the way franchise QBs are available in every round, if it was as easy as drafting one in the top 5 then every team would do it. Here’s your evidence….7 of the 12 playoff QBs were not top 5 picks.

Just look at the last 10 years of QBs drafted in the top 5, just as many busts as sold picks and maybe 3 franchise guys. Manning, Rivers, & Palmer.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Kiper, the self-promoter picked Clausen for maximum publicity, that's why.

Posted by: TheCork


Usually I wish like hell you'd go choke on a brussel sprout or something, but on this I agree totally.

Kiper is just trying to get "ooh's and ahh's" with this analysis. I mean like Moe said, just look at his "sources" on Clausen.

Please.

F Mel Kiper, J-R.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Some of these comments that I am reading is beginning to make me laugh. Trading Cooley and Haynesworth for drafts picks are you kidding me. First of all we are not trading our 2 time Pro-Browler, and we are not getting rid of Haynesworth. Nobody would pick Haynesworth contract anyway. Lets be realistic for a minute. We drafted Samuels in 2000 with the 3rd pick in the draft and it worked out great. Samuels will probably have to retire soon and if he doesn't we will not think that he can make it for the whole season anyway and the same with Randy Thomas. Some of you must not remember the first few games of the season when we had all of our starters and we still didn't look that great. What about the season before last when Portis ran for over 1,400 yards and the line was healthy. Cambell didn't have great numbers that year. Cambell had his best season as a Redskin this past year with probably the worst line the skins have had in the past 10-12 years. Some of you are so convinced that if we draft Okung then now we are the skins of old. What most of you are forgetting is with our 4th pick we will be building for our future. Sorry guys but it will a QB and I believe it will be Jimmy Clausen. Maybe I'm wrong and we take Bradford. Clausen is the most NFL ready now though. Most of you are forgetting that we don't have Jim Zorn any more calling all those bonehead plays. We have a real head coach with a real Offensive Coordinator. Shanahan knows how to build these offensive lines with his eyes closed. Why do you think Denver always could draft a late round RB and plug him in and he would run for over a 1,000 yards. Even when Al Wilson played for the Broncos he said he could run for a 1,000 yards behind that Denver line. Shanahan knows that come September the offensive line won't be his problem. His concern is the QB. We will go QB with the 4th pick and with the early second round pick we will probably grab our O-lineman. Some of you talk like you have no faith in Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen. This is the best front office that the Redskins have had since Snyder bought the team. Shanahan will have our Offensive line ready to run that great zone blocking scheme by September. The only real question that we will is when we draft a QB with the 4th pick and Cambell starts and has a great year. Other than that we will be fine. Some of you with your fantasy predictions and trading away pro bowlers are crazy. Learn some real football and get off the internet and watch Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen transform this skins team into a powerhouse.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | February 17, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

lame. take Okung and hope Lupati falls to the 2nd. Get a QB later.

-or- suffer through another year of a horribly under qualified O line, no thanks

sit on it and rotate Kiper

Posted by: pabrian2003 | February 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

2nd round select Perish Cox

Posted by: edvar | February 17, 2010 7:29 PM |

Perish Cox (Cox=Cocks). Heh, heh. Surprised your list did not include ED (ED=Erectile Dysfunction) Wang. Then we could add those two dead dicks to the team to go with all the dead wood (wood=morning wood) that is already there. Heh, heh.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

lou, indeed, on point with all that. But two things:

Read the blog a little more often and you'll know whose post to outright ignore.

Paragraphs are your friend, mah dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 17, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 8:06 PM

Thanks, there are a lot of ways to stack this list. Just gotta be opportunistic.

Posted by: edvar | February 17, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

"By the way franchise QBs are available in every round"

No they're not; give me a break. It's laughable that people continue to post this. What's your handle over on ES Homer Skins?

"if it was as easy as drafting one in the top 5 then every team would do it."

Well, that's sorta mathematically impossible. But most teams who need QB's take QB's when they have a top 5 pick, and the last time I checked, the Redskins needed a QB.

"Here’s your evidence….7 of the 12 playoff QBs were not top 5 picks."

So, in other words, almost half of the QB's in the playoffs this year were top 5 picks; this means that it took like a million more picks to get just two more. How does this support your argument?

"Just look at the last 10 years of QBs drafted in the top 5, just as many busts as sold picks and maybe 3 franchise guys."

Yeah, just look at all of those stellar sleeper QB picks the Skins have made in recent years, from Ramsey, to Campbell, to Hamden, to Sage, etc. etc.

The odds are still much better that you'll get a legit starter in the top 5 than in later rounds, and it's not even close. You can cherry pick all the Brady's and Favre's you want--if I had all day, I could give you a list that's thirty times deeper of mid round QB's who are now driving trucks. Also, as already pointed out, we're comparing picks 1-5 to the rest of the entire draft, so the fact that it was 5 vs. 7 in the playoffs proves, %-wise, that the odds are better at landing a stud at 1-5 than later in the draft.

The Redskins have a 2nd rounder to address OL, and picks 1-3 next year.

What's amazing is that as poorly as the Skins have addressed OL, QB is the position that franchise has neglected more than any other in the last two decades. And yet some of you are complaining that the Skins will take Bradford or Clausen at #4. Amazing.

And btw, both of those guys are clearly better prospects than Campbell Soup, even if they aren't Manning Clones.


Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

1st - if Suh is there take him (pipe dream) if not Okung for sure. If both are gone trade back (i hope) pick up at least another 2nd rounder.
2nd- Another Olineman, maybe Selvish 'gotta go get the Capers, the Capers' or I know its a reach but Myron Rolle.

Posted by: priceisright | February 17, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Kiper said he's spoken with Clausen's former teammates, opponents, coaches and everyone raves about Clausen."

Wow.

That's some unbiased analysis.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 8:49 PM |

And this is some idiotic post of yours. Why would "opponents" rave about the dude? Actually why would his teammates for that matter since it is a well known fact that guy is a class A jerk? Not that I believe what Kiper said either. Who knows what the deal is with Claus? And to deepen the mystery the dude says he ain't doin the Combine because of his injured toe. To which I say "toe bad".

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

just read some stuff on Clausen around the league.. Some are calling him Brady Quinn II.
Still curious why he doesnt want to participate in the upcoming Combine? At least he could prove, once and for all, he is really 6'3" before the Draft. I believe him...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 17, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 10:01 PM

You my friend are too stupid to exchange in any sort of dialogue.

Chew on what I originally wrote.

"That would be true if Clausen or Bradford were worthy of the 4th pick in the draft. Way too many questions and red flags on both. The skins need a QB, just not this year. JC is the QB for next year and next year only. The 2011 draft will have 5 QBs that would qualify as potential franchise QBs and have a higher ceiling than this year’s potential 1st rounder’s."

And the choke on this..

Those QBs taken in the top 5 have 1 Super bowl compared to 6 by guys not even drafted in the 1st round.

Agreed the Skins need a QB, just not with the 4th overall pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Scamp-

The question was if Suh was on the board at #4 would you still take Okung. QB not a consideration.

L-S-

I thought you saved some mock draft to re-post everytime the "ninnes" started to whine about the latest mock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 6:28 PM |

Yea, well, I doubt that he would be on the board that deep but if he's there Suh would be hard to pass up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Kiper:

"Or would you rather have Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford at four, and then maybe a Bruce Campbell, the offensive tackle out of Maryland, or even a Bryan Bulaga (Iowa) if he fell down there?"

The dude has shti-for-brains if he thinks Campbell is going to be there when the Skins make their second pick. Campbell is going to blow out the Combine with a sub-5 40. Just the kind blow that Al loves to snort.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Talktotheselfpleasureinghand

"And this is some idiotic post of yours. Why would "opponents" rave about the dude? Actually why would his teammates for that matter since it is a well known fact that guy is a class A jerk? Not that I believe what Kiper said either."

Bro', you need to sue your English teacher.

That is, if it's your 1st language.

Your retort's purpose and analysis really supports the '..idiotic post..' you hold me guilty of.

You're like the cop who should give him himself a ticket.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

http://www.mkrob.com/why-the-st-louis-rams-should-not-take-nebraska-dt-ndamukong-suh/


Here's hoping the Rams invest in their QB position.

Since 2001 the Rams have spent 7 first round selections on offensive and defensive linemen. When will the Rams figure out that you don't win games in the trenches?

I know current decorum on RI says Suh is gonna be 'the man', But Rolando McClain is the best defensive player in this draft period

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The Skins for now have a serviceable QB in Campbell.

They[sic] would be better served to concentrate on the, O-line, O-Line, O-Line ,D-line, RB, Safety, CB. and the O-line.

Oh I forgot too mention, the O-line !!!

Posted by: dashriprock | February 17, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Talktotheselfpleasureinghand

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM |

Otay, MistaGlassHouse.

MistaMoeFo, MistaHoMoe, MistaHoeMoe, MistaMoeRon.


Bro', you need to sue your English teacher.

That is, if it's your 1st language.

Your retort's purpose and analysis really supports the '..idiotic post..' you hold me guilty of.

You're like the cop who should give him himself a ticket.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM |

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The dude has shti-for-brains if he thinks Campbell is going to be there when the Skins make their second pick. Campbell is going to blow out the Combine with a sub-5 40. Just the kind blow that Al loves to snort.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 10:19 PM |

And the reason I care what an OT runs the 40 in is? Maybe if it's a guard that has to pull but a tackle? Couldn'y care less.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping this is wrong, but who knows?
We need to shore up the o-line, our o-line has to rank as about one of the top 3 or 4 worst lines in football.
We need a LT,RG, and RT.

In case Shanahan has forgotten, "blocking and tackling" wins football games. For some time now the Redskins have done little blocking.

FOCUS ON THE O-LINE IN THIS DRAFT!!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 17, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The dude has shti-for-brains if he thinks Campbell is going to be there when the Skins make their second pick. Campbell is going to blow out the Combine with a sub-5 40. Just the kind blow that Al loves to snort.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | February 17, 2010 10:19 PM |

And the reason I care what an OT runs the 40 in is? Maybe if it's a guard that has to pull but a tackle? Couldn'y care less.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 17, 2010 10:37 PM

Campbell is a lock at #8, IMO. He will blow up the combine with all the measurables and Al will no doubt draft him. Footwork is obviously more important than a 40 time but he will shine at the combine.

I went to MD and on the field he was never dominant.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I know current decorum on RI says Suh is gonna be 'the man', But Rolando McClain is the best defensive player in this draft period

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 10:20 PM |

An in depth review ofMr. McClain


By KC Joyner
ESPN Insider

Draft Lab: Evaluating Rolando McClain
Physically, he's superb -- but needs work in two key areas to excel on Sundays

After the first three quarters of the Wildcats game, I was convinced that McClain's top-10 ranking was far too low. He dominated his opponent in a way that no other Draft Lab prospect has come close to. McClain defeated five Point of Attack (POA) run blocks, forced the quarterback to throw a pass away on a blitz, intercepted a pass, forced a fumble, tipped a pass that was intercepted by another Crimson Tide defender and threw in twelve tackles to boot.

Some personnel evaluators might see such a performance and immediately make the mistake that James spoke about and judge McClain's draft status based on the wow factor that can occur in a small sample size. As impressive as a dominant single game is, the best players in the NFL follow the Bill Walsh credo that emphasizes consistent dominance from week to week.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

McClain's performance in the other five games certainly wasn't subpar, but it was far from his Kentucky showing. One good example of this: he won only six POA blocks in that other quintet of contests. To be fair, he did have seven other plays where he wasn't blocked and was able to stuff the ballcarrier at or behind the line of scrimmage, but it still doesn't eliminate the fact that his POA win percentage outside of the Kentucky contest was a meager 13.0%.

McClain's impact on the pass also wasn't anywhere near as good following the Wildcats game. He did have eight splash plays in the other five games (a splash play being defined as negatively impacting a passing play) but two of those came when he was unblocked on a blitz. A third came when a Mississippi blocker made an error and didn't see McClain blitzing until it was too late and a fourth was a garbage sack where McClain simply finished off a sack that his teammate started. Again, he should be given credit for making these plays -- but the volume of stats that he built up in instances of this nature does not bode as well for him as the large group of individual plays he made against Kentucky.

My scouting eye also saw a couple of other areas of significant concern for McClain. The first was his tackling technique. By my count, he missed seven tackles in these six games, but it was how he used his arms when tackling that was troubling. The proper arm technique when tackling is to take your forearms and elbows and slam them into the ballcarrier's side and back. That movement will naturally cause the tackler's arms to wrap around the runner and will also cause his hands to slap into the ballcarrier's back. The tackler should then grab the backside of the jersey and finish the tackle off.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

McClain rarely, if ever, used this technique. His preferred method was to grab at the ballcarrier and try to yank him down from the front. He also rarely tried to stick his shoulder into a runner -- unless the tackle occurred right at the line of scrimmage. In addition, McClain had more than bit of trouble breaking down quickly when he was on the backside of a run and had to prevent a cutback.

The poor tackling form was the initial sign in the second area of concern, which is his focus. Examples of this include his penchant for jogging far too often in the LSU and Mississippi State games, but the most specific instance came early in the first quarter of the game against the Bulldogs. A Mississippi State blocker went low on McClain and then used his hand to trip him. Immediately after the takedown, McClain's first reaction was to get up and look for an official to complain to. This would have been an apt response except that the play was still alive when McClain jumped up.

This wasn't the only instance in that contest where a player got McClain to take his head out the game. MSU offensive guard J.C. Brignone may have been thinking of this when he kept blocking McClain well after the end of the first play of the fourth quarter. McClain finally shed Brignone's block and then gave him a shove afterwards despite being right in front of an official.

The NFL is full of very creative instigators whose aim is to get their opponents to take their minds off of the game, and if McClain doesn't fix this weakness, he'll have someone testing his patience in every contest.


The Football Scientist Lab Result: This can go either way. McClain has tremendous physical characteristics and when he is on his game, he can be nearly unstoppable. If a team drafts him too high with this in mind, he would be worthy of an overhyped label. If a team drafts him with the understanding that he may need consistent motivating and a lot of tackling drill work, the move would be worthy of the TFS seal of approval.

Posted by: TWISI | February 17, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, just look at all of those stellar sleeper QB picks the Skins have made in recent years, from Ramsey, to Campbell, to Hamden, to Sage, etc. etc.

The odds are still much better that you'll get a legit starter in the top 5 than in later rounds, and it's not even close. You can cherry pick all the Brady's and Favre's you want--if I had all day, I could give you a list that's thirty times deeper of mid round QB's who are now driving trucks. Also, as already pointed out, we're comparing picks 1-5 to the rest of the entire draft, so the fact that it was 5 vs. 7 in the playoffs proves, %-wise, that the odds are better at landing a stud at 1-5 than later in the draft.

The Redskins have a 2nd rounder to address OL, and picks 1-3 next year.


You could not be more wrong. Since 99 only one top 5 pick has won a super bowl (Manning). Other than him only one other qb drafted has established himself as a "franchise" qb (Rivers). Couch, Both A.Smiths (Alex and Akili), Carr, Harrington are/were busts. The jury is still out on Russell, Palmer, Ryan, Stafford and Sanchez. The term franchise qb is thrown around way too much these days. More often than not the situation a qb is drafted into determines their success rather than their talent. The busts on the list were on horrible teams that made horrible personnel and management decisions. Manning and Rivers were on teams that were fairly decent before they arrived. (Giants went to playoffs in 2002, Brees set the stage for Rivers)You could make the argument that Matt Ryan's stamp on the Falcons is overrated. They were not a terrible team, they suffered in the wake of the Vick/Petrino debacles. The bottom line is that if you dont have the right pieces around the qb it doesnt matter how good they are, they will not succeed. That is why Ramsey, Campbell, and some guy named Shuler (another top 5 pick) havent done well.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 17, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

And the choke on this..

Those QBs taken in the top 5 have 1 Super bowl compared to 6 by guys not even drafted in the 1st round.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse


_____________________

Yeah, I choked on the fact that 3 of those SB's were won by 1 player.

It's debatable whether or not Bradford and Clausen will be great QB's.

It's not debatable to claim that a team has as much of a chance of landing a great QB outside of the first round. That's simply absurd, and your 7 vs. 5 argument prove it's absurd.

5 (out of picks 1-5)

7 (out of the rest of the entire draft).

LOL.

Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

TWISI,

It's so crazy how good he's gonna be.

I realize I'm not going out on a limb by approving MLB McClain the #1 defensive prospect, but with every1 sweating Suh and Berry, I can't wait to see who's right.

Posted by: Vicc | February 17, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins decide they must have Bradford and he is still available at #4, fine. Otherwise they should take Okung. If they are both gone, trade down for multiple picks. Under no circumstances should they waste such a high pick on Clausen.

Posted by: bbigtim | February 17, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: redskins459 | February 17, 2010 10:55 PM

Have you chewed on this yet....

"That would be true if Clausen or Bradford were worthy of the 4th pick in the draft. Way too many questions and red flags on both. The skins need a QB, just not this year. JC is the QB for next year and next year only. The 2011 draft will have 5 QBs that would qualify as potential franchise QBs and have a higher ceiling than this year’s potential 1st rounder’s."

And thanks for admitting you were wrong by saying, "It's debatable whether or not Bradford and Clausen will be great QB's."

Bradford/Clausen: Extreme risk
Okung: Minimal risk

You don't reach for a player at #4.

I don’t Laugh at Loud but I will laugh at you for saying that we should draft a questionable QB with the worst OL in the NFL. There is always next year where there will be an infinitely better pool of QBs to choose from.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 17, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Mock Draft Analysis 229 Mock Drafts

#1 - Clausen 45%, Suh 43%, Bradford 10%, G.McCoy 1%
#2 - Suh 50%, G.McCoy 34%, Okung 13%, Berry 1%
#3 - G.McCoy 48%, Berry 37%, Suh 5%, Okung 3%, Morgan 3%, Clausen 1%
#4 - Bradford 41%, Okung, 26%, Clausen 22%, G.McCoy 3%, Berry 2%, Davis 2%
#5 - Okung 43%, Berry 23%, McClain 8%, Davis 7%, Campbell 5%, Williams 2%

Posted by: noonefromtampa | February 17, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman: good call with trading to Seattle for their two picks to get Okung and Lupati and trade Cooley for a pick to get Williams. But if Campbell or Bulaga do in fact fall into our hands in round two we should take them. Williams did play some Center in college so maybe we can fully convert him. I would not even bother drafting a QB in the 4th round. Just bring back Jason Campbell and have him compete with Brennan. If neither work out, whatever, rebuild the O-Line now and deal with QB when there are better options (no offense to Bradford) and we have a good setting for a young QB.

Posted by: mcgratsp | February 17, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

and when we have a solid team and get knocked out of the playoffs, or before then because we have a tavairis jackson clone at QB, how do you suppose we are going to get a franchise QB then ? give that dildo Childress credit for realizing you can have one of the better teams in the league, but it turns to dust if you have a chump for a QB..
or maybe Bret Favre will be ready to be our QB then ?
take the franchise QB at #4, if either of this year's top QB's are it.. use the rest of the draft and free agency to rebuild the o line.

Posted by: shally | February 18, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

this sounds like the old vinnie &danny school of thinking.you can draft jesus h.christ at qb,and with this current o-line,i'm willing to bet he'd ask for a trade.a qb at #4 would be more of the same ole soup,twice warmed over!

Posted by: billydee123 | February 18, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about you guys, but I think this KurtShanaman fella is posting from a mental hospital. He seems to think we're going to end up with twelve 1st round picks... WEIRD SCIENCE!

Posted by: noseman4681 | February 18, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Did someone say Weird Science?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDe5Ckt4joQ

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 18, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I would really suspect any agent...and any coach that would put a young player at QB.... with this (offensive)line... its murderer row...foxhole Campbell... and the reason I call him that is that when you are in combat and guys like him stand up time and again (and believe me getting hit by a mad dog I'm gonna get paid, 330 tackle-end) you have got to respect it... any way new staff... new thought patterns..a welcomed change... and regardless of the how the game has gone to a pass oriented (CERATTO) league.... please note that the Skins have gone to 3 SB'S with 3 different QB's and the only constant was that offensive line HTTR and congrats to Grimm

Posted by: travmanf | February 18, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Your Sharks Olympic hockey summary, Day2

The week's first Shark on Shark action featured Sweden, with defenseman Douglas Murray against Germany and goalie Thomas Griess. Sweden, the defending gold medalists, got their first goal on a horrid non-call by the officials, when a Swedish player literally jumped on Griess. Instead of 2 minutes for goalie interference, Sweden got a goal. Murray and the Swede defense was very strong, dropping Germany 2-0, despite an excellent performance by Griess.

There are 3 men's hockey matchups on Thursday. The Sharks are represented in each game. However, even with 6 players taking the ice, there will be no Shark on Shark action. The next Shark on Shark action will take place on Sunday.

And that is your Day 2 Shark Olympic hockey summary.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 18, 2010 3:29 AM | Report abuse

please note that the Skins have gone to 3 SB'S with 3 different QB's and the only constant was that offensive line HTTR and congrats to Grimm

Posted by: travmanf

Almost, the Skins went to 5 Super Bowls with 4 different QBs. Under Gibbs they went to 4 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs -- and won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 18, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

We need a lot of help, but I don't care who plays QB we must have a REAL NFL OL to block! At the moment we don't have that. I still think you can win with J.C. as your QB with better talent around him!

Posted by: BeltwayBoy | February 18, 2010 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Skins fans - Get ready for your annual Spring Superbowl Victory parade.

What is it up to now? Something like 10 consecutive Spring Superbowls victories?

Now there's a dynasty!

Posted by: DaleGribble | February 17, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse
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you say you're Dale Gribble but we know you're really Randy Shackleford.

PLEASE no QB in rnd 1 unless we trade down and can sill pick an OT as well...

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | February 18, 2010 5:00 AM | Report abuse

This is hilarious. A QB will only be successful if he is set-up to be successful. Any great QB, had players around him to make plays. Even if Clausan or Brandford is drafted, if the people around them don't perform it is irrelavent. Sorry, there is no such thing as a "Franchise" QB. You can draft Joe Montana, put him in a bad system, and you people would be saying the same thing about him as you do Jason Campbell. Campbell has alot of talent, if, put into the right system. Last year, the Redskins were 6-2 (with healthy OL). Portis ran for alot of yards. OL gets hurt, redskins go 2-6 and portis gains like 300 yards. Was it Portis fault or the fact that the OL got hurt. It's like your car people, if the fan belt is broken, the car wont run.

Let's see, we have had Schuler, George, Ramsey, Mathews, Johnson, Williams, Rypen, etc and all were suppose to lead us to glory.

By the way, JC never played with the talent that any of these clowns did and his "Stats" were just as good and better than some. Which proves my point, QBs don't win games, Teams win games.

Posted by: sputnee | February 18, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

This is hilarious. A QB will only be successful if he is set-up to be successful. Any great QB, had players around him to make plays. Even if Clausan or Brandford is drafted, if the people around them don't perform it is irrelavent. Sorry, there is no such thing as a "Franchise" QB. You can draft Joe Montana, put him in a bad system, and you people would be saying the same thing about him as you do Jason Campbell. Campbell has alot of talent, if, put into the right system. Last year, the Redskins were 6-2 (with healthy OL). Portis ran for alot of yards. OL gets hurt, redskins go 2-6 and portis gains like 300 yards. Was it Portis fault or the fact that the OL got hurt. It's like your car people, if the fan belt is broken, the car wont run.

Let's see, we have had Schuler, George, Ramsey, Mathews, Johnson, Williams, Rypen, etc and all were suppose to lead us to glory.

By the way, JC never played with the talent that any of these clowns did and his "Stats" were just as good and better than some. Which proves my point, QBs don't win games, Teams win games.

Posted by: sputnee | February 18, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

If I was Campbell I'd ask for a trade the moment Washington new HC and new GM pick a QB in the 1st round. It's time for Jason Campbell to leave the Skins. He has no future here if they pick a QB instead of what is a glaring need. Some lineman to protect the QB. Same old Skins if they pick a QB with the # 4 pick, SIGH!

Posted by: butche106 | February 18, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Kiper is an idiot who gets paid to be wrong. So basically he's a weather man.

Kiper maybe gets 3 picks correct a year, 5 if he's lucky.

He has no more idea of who the Skins are going to pick then anyone on this blog.

No one can tell what the Skins will do until we see what happens in FA's, then we can talk about what the draft plan will be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 18, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Like I said last night, if you take a QB and whiff on him badly you sent this franchise back a full 5 years at the least. Neither Bradford nor Claussen are good enough to warrant taking him at #4. We're better off going OL at #4 and #36 (unless Bradford and/or Claussen slides to #36) and hoping LeFevour is still on the board in the 4th round. I'd be more inclined to wait until '11 to get a QB, but if they HAVE to get one now I'd go low risk/high reward with LeFevour.

And F Kiper. If he were so good at projecting talent, that idiot would be an NFL GM, not a figurehead draft analyst.

And here's something else for folks to remember: franchise QBs are MADE, not BORN. And before folks start pointing to Peyton Manning, Eli was born into the same family and grew up with the same advantages and is half the QB his brother is. Hell, even Peyton wouldn't be in the conversation as the "greatest of all-time" if he wasn't drafted by a great organization with amazing stability.

Bottom line is, if Mike and Kyle Shanahan are who we think they are, it shouldn't matter if we take a QB at #4 or in Round 4. If the player in question has the tools to be successful at this level, the Shanahans should be able to coach him up to be a franchise QB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

Kiper is an idiot who gets paid to be wrong. So basically he's a weather man.

Kiper maybe gets 3 picks correct a year, 5 if he's lucky.

He has no more idea of who the Skins are going to pick then anyone on this blog.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 18, 2010 6:22 AM


Right, and the guy to watch is Mike Mayock on NFLN anyway. That guy has serious credibility and doesn't seem to be this pretentious d-bag like Kiper and that 12 year-old Todd "Look Mom...No Booster Seat!" McShay.

So if you want REAL draft info, go to Mayock and Davis on NFLN. If you want corny, high school quality "Draft Lab" segments, see Kiper and McShay on ESPN.

And Flound, I work with weathermen/women and they kinda get a bad rap. I mean, their job is to predict weather PATTERNS, not tell you the future. So sometimes it looks like the weather is gonna do one thing and it ends up doing another. The local weather guy has no control over that.

The ones that deserve to get their taints handed to 'em are the ones who predict stuff in absolutes and fail disclose that maybe, just maybe, they could be wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 6:32 AM | Report abuse

LINEMEN LET'S STAY FOCUS!

Nothing going to happen the first year.

So stop the Blah Blah.

LINEMEN!

Posted by: shamken | February 18, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

For ESPN draft guru Mel Kiper Jr.,

How is he a guru when he been wrong 70% of the time over the last 10 years?

Posted by: jm220 | February 18, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan can't trade that #4 pick, then we know Snyder is still calling all the shots. TRADE THAT PICK!

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | February 18, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan can't trade that #4 pick, then we know Snyder is still calling all the shots. TRADE THAT PICK!

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | February 18, 2010 7:34 AM


I'm sure I'll regret this but I gotta ask...what the hell does trading the #4 pick have to do with Snyder? I mean, really...the NFL draft ain't Wal-Mart, you can't take your pick back and exchange it for another if you don't like it.

If nobody wants to trade up or nobody's willing to make it worth the Skins' while to trade down, you make the pick. Snyder doesn't factor into that process at all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I think I'd rather draft Dan LeFevour in the 2nd over taking a center, that just seems too high, get the Center in the 4th round, or trade for a 3rd round pick.

Posted by: Veretax | February 18, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Hell, even Peyton wouldn't be in the conversation as the "greatest of all-time" if he wasn't drafted by a great organization with amazing stability.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 6:23 AM


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I doubt that brownwood26.

Peyton Manning has played behind 10+ different starting O-lines, including several occasions when backups had to fill in for starters for an extended period of time.

He typically gets a new #2 and #3 reciever every 3 years.

He typically gets a new RB every 4-5 years.

Indy's defense lets numerous FA defenders get away.

If anything, Peyton is the reason that franchise has been so stable. Because every time they lose a talented offensive player, some 6th rounder comes in and it's like the offense doesn't lose a beat!

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

For the love of the Redskins, stop drafting University of Maryland players!! That program is one of the bottom dwellers of a weak conference. And the players we've picked up or drafted from there prove that.

Posted by: Section104 | February 18, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not a personnel guru, he's a friggin' coach. Allen is not a personnel guy, he's a cap specialist. Snyder is not a personnel guy, he's a meddling bozo.

Here we go again. Until the Danskins hire a Director of Player Personnel who truly knows talent (like Bethard knew talent), this group is just the latest to play poker with the fans money.

Keep your cash in your pockets. If the Danskins come out of this draft with anything less than three O linemen, you are a sucker to buy into the bull jive...again.

Posted by: howjensen | February 18, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

If anything, Peyton is the reason that franchise has been so stable. Because every time they lose a talented offensive player, some 6th rounder comes in and it's like the offense doesn't lose a beat!

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 7:44 AM


Vicc, that basically makes my point.

Peyton plays for a team that drafts well in ALL rounds and even finds players in the undrafted ranks. Just because they don't resign everyone, doesn't mean they don't enjoy stability. If Peyton was a Raider or a Redskin, he wouldn't have even half the numbers he has now.

And free agency pretty much prevents having extended stability on the roster, I was more referring to the organization. Peyton has only played for 3 coaches (one of whom was his position coach) and has played in the exact same system his entire career. IMO, that stability has just as much to do with his success as anything he's doing on a personal level.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not a personnel guru, he's a friggin' coach. Allen is not a personnel guy, he's a cap specialist. Snyder is not a personnel guy, he's a meddling bozo.

Here we go again. Until the Danskins hire a Director of Player Personnel who truly knows talent (like Bethard knew talent), this group is just the latest to play poker with the fans money.

Keep your cash in your pockets. If the Danskins come out of this draft with anything less than three O linemen, you are a sucker to buy into the bull jive...again.

Posted by: howjensen | February 18, 2010 7:56 AM |

Do you want a tissue you cry baby!!!!

Shanahan and Allen are 10 times the personnel guys that Vinny/Snyder were.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 18, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Jensen, how about giving the new regime a chance before giving them the Danny/Vinny treatment? I mean really...both guys come in here with SB rings so they can't be nearly as terrible as you make them sound.

Whether we win titles with them at the helm or not, we're no longer a laughing stock. That's a step in the right direction.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

It's still gonna be hard to sell that one, Brownwood26.

The Colts hadn't won their division since 1987 before Peyton and had made the playoffs only twice(I think, haven't officially checked) in that span as well.

Of course "Peyton Mannings" don't come that often and if you're lucky enough to get one it makes stability more attainable IMO.

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Kiper should listen to McShay. Clausen is a kid who the players like, but can't lead them to victory. That sounds like the QB the Redskins already have. If the guy can't get the players to give that extra something for him on the field, then no thanks. Clausen is a product of the Weiss system: not a unique talent. There are no unique talents at QB in this draft; however, there are at other positions. Take Okung and don't look back, Bruce Allen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

BTW, all of these draft prognositcators are going to change their tunes once the combine is over. Clausen won't throw because of a toe injury, so I think his value can only drop. Okung and Suh will put up ungodly combine numbers and they will be back to 1-2.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Of course "Peyton Mannings" don't come that often and if you're lucky enough to get one it makes stability more attainable IMO.

Posted by: Vicc | February 18, 2010 8:14 AM


I know Peyton is a special breed, Vicc. That's been proven. All I'm saying is that he's not talked about as the "greatest of all-time" unless he's playing in the situation he's in. I think he'd still be a Pro-Bowler, still a great QB if he wasn't in that situation...but what sets him apart and makes him the best is that 1) he's got superior work ethic and 2) he's got a GREAT organization backing up his efforts.

Do you really think he could piggy-back a team to a Super Bowl if he played thru the constant changes Snyder has inflicted on the Redskins? Or the sh*tshow in Oakland? Do you think he'd make the Jaguars a Super Bowl winner? He's definitely the centerpiece of that Colts offense, but for him to play at that level you have to have a damn good coaching staff and a truckload of talent.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

i personally think the madden gm's are hilarious.first off, draft a lineman point blank.Reason why you need a line. shanahan is a running backs kinda coach.Portis is on his last leg behind a line that is ancient antique and a waste of money and he's behind a QB (jason campbell) who is scared for his life everytime he takes a snap so i say draft a good lineman with the 4th pick and go from there.

Posted by: seananthony151 | February 18, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

"How is he (Kiper)a guru when he been wrong 70% of the time over the last 10 years?"

Kiper gets away with it as like most modern media creations, saying you're a star makes you one.

Kiper is like the singers we listen to who call themselves 'artists' even though they don't play instruments, write their own music, or can sing without the aid of technology.

He is what he is because he says what he is. And because no one invalidates his claims, he's an authority.

And that is all you have to do to be a 'guru' or 'star' nowadays.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Posted by: Skins__Stons | February 18, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is not a personnel guru, he's a friggin' coach. Allen is not a personnel guy, he's a cap specialist. Snyder is not a personnel guy, he's a meddling bozo.

Here we go again. Until the Danskins hire a Director of Player Personnel who truly knows talent (like Bethard knew talent), this group is just the latest to play poker with the fans money.

Keep your cash in your pockets. If the Danskins come out of this draft with anything less than three O linemen, you are a sucker to buy into the bull jive...again.

Posted by: howjensen


While I don't 100% agree with this, I can understand someone being reserved.

Redskin fans should be the main fanbase to hold judgement on ANY move made in the offseason until they play at least eight games of the regular season. But I'm not saying be the ultimate pessimist while holding judgement either.

The Redskins are still a laughing stock until they put the league and media on notice that they're for real, and you do that by getting it done on the field. Not offseason acquisitions.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 18, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I laugh at those who come on here, and show unbridled anger at this post, and refer to this as same old same old...I mean, Kiper said it, so it must be the honest to goodness Gospel truth...this is a lead pipe lock to happen right...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 18, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Funny Greg, but like I said earlier...Kiper's opinion is nothing to me. Mayock is the guy to listen to.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,
Two explorers were traveling through the densest most unexplored regions of the jungle when they were captured by a warlike tribe they did not know existed. When they were taken back to the tribe's village, the chief told the two they would have a choice between death or "ru-ru". The first explorer said he didn't know what "ru-ru was but it had to be better than death so he boldly stood up and said, "I choose ru-ru." He was immediately set upon by all the men of the village and he was gang raped until he was a crying sobbing husk of his former self. The chief turned to the second explorer, who had witnessed the whole scene. The second explorer said, "I choose death." The chief said, "Very well. Death it is... death by ru-ru."

The point is Kiper is not a guru, he is ru-ru for the Redskins.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I watched 2 highlite videos of Bradford. None of them showed him completing a pass under pressure, much less while getting hit, none showed him rifling the ball into a small window or even completing a pass to a receiver who was tightly covered. Haven't even mentioned the twice separated, surgically repaired shoulder of the throwing arm already questioned for its strength. WE CANNOT risk a #4 pick on this guy. Clausen maybe, though I say shoot the whole load of draft picks on the O line and maybe try to fit Mcluster in there with the 4th or 5th round pick if he's available.

Posted by: kenboy1 | February 18, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

McCluster is rated as the 3rd or 4th best RB according to most of the "draft experts".

He'll be well gone by the 4th round. He should be an early 3rd rounder, if not sooner.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

LOL at KurtShanahan.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Until the Danskins hire a Director of Player Personnel who truly knows talent (like Bethard knew talent), this group is just the latest to play poker with the fans money.

Posted by: howjensen | February 18, 2010 7:56 AM

Yeah, that's the answer to all our problems: a divine oracle. The "Director of Player Personnel" worked out so well for the Wizards.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again. Until the Danskins hire a Director of Player Personnel who truly knows talent (like Bethard knew talent), this group is just the latest to play poker with the fans money.

Posted by: howjensen
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Danny wont hire a dedicated Personnel guy.. Thats Dan's last sphere of influence (remember him dialing for dollars to trade JC last year).
Speaking of which, if Dan drafts a QB in the First Round, does JC demand a trade again? Everyone seems to forget his tantrum last year when Dan tried to get Sanchez.
Or, maybe we should use JC as the personnel guy... Any QB the Skins look at, which results in a JC "trade me" threat, is our guy. Doesnt say too much about Colt, does it?
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/23/jason-campbell-will-request-a-trade-if-redskins-make-a-move-for/

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

1- #4 is worth Seattle's two 1st round picks. They want a QB-BRADFORD. They will trade with us to get #4.

Wrong. Even if you believe in the 'draft chart', our #4 is not worth #6 and #14. We'd be lucky to get #14 and #40 from Seattle.

2 - We trade Cooley for a mid-high 1st rd pick and we draft OT Trent Williams for the R tackle spot.

Wrong. 1. You don't trade Cooley, 2 he would never fetch more than a 3rd rounder this offseason.

3 - In free agency sign both RB Chester Taylor and Darren Sproles as the 3rd down back and we give Colt Brennan his chance.

Wrong. Clinton isn't going anywhere and there is no chance we land BOTH of those guys.

4 - With our 2nd round pick, we take a center, Maurkice Pouncey Florida 6-5 318.

Wrong. He's likely not to drop that far, and we need 2 tackles more than a center.

5 - Trade Albert Haynesworth for SF two 1st rd picks

Wrong. Just LOL wrong.

6 - draft S Taylor Mays Southern Cal 6-3 230 4.45 plays like the great Sean Taylor #21

Wrong. We're not drafting secondary high.

7 - To fill the hole left with Albert gone, sign free agent NT Vince Wilfork from the Patriots.

Wrong. Replace one fat lazy NT with another?


Some people should really have their privileges revoked....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 18, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead


I've heard that one before.

It's still funnny though.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Only Vinny let Kiper draft for him. I hope the current staff does Not.
Offensive Tackle Please and thank you.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | February 18, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

1- #4 is worth Seattle's two 1st round picks. They want a QB-BRADFORD. They will trade with us to get #4.

Wrong. Even if you believe in the 'draft chart', our #4 is not worth #6 and #14. We'd be lucky to get #14 and #40 from Seattle.
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For our 4th...More likely to get Seattle's #14 and their 3rd round pick (replace the Jarmon loss).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

1- #4 is worth Seattle's two 1st round picks. They want a QB-BRADFORD. They will trade with us to get #4.

Wrong. Even if you believe in the 'draft chart', our #4 is not worth #6 and #14. We'd be lucky to get #14 and #40 from Seattle.
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For our #4...More likely to get Seattle's #14 and their 3rd round pick (replace the Jarmon loss). Considering most GM's agree that this year's 3rd round talent is comparable to last year's 2nd round talent.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman.........Vinny, man, we know it's you!!!!! Do not make me spew my coffee..... you almost sound like your serious. One thought... O LINE!!!!!

Posted by: RealConservative | February 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

the obvious pick is clausen, he is mark sanchez, but better.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | February 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

the obvious pick is clausen, he is mark sanchez, but better.

Posted by: cavalieri10 | February 18, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

you're serious.............gotcha

Posted by: RealConservative | February 18, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

This is the insanity that got us into this mess the first time. Pick a stud LT.

Posted by: MPNangle | February 18, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Clausen? Are you kidding me? Do not waste a first-round pick on this guy - he can't even get his team to a Pizza Bowl game. Pick Offensive linemen - once the Skins have a strong offensive line, we only need a mediocre QB who makes few mistakes to win. The Skins have won with average QBs before, and we can do it again, if and only if, the offensive line is solid!

Posted by: mvlee2 | February 18, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

vacation week....back to normal in a couple days....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 18, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

"Only Vinny let Kiper draft for him. I hope the current staff does Not.
Offensive Tackle Please and thank you."

I think we'll get one stud offensive linemen plus some dudes we've never heard of to support him.

The question is whether or not if it will be a tackle or interior lineman.

Taking Clausen at 4 works if you can get a Free Agent lineman or a 3rd round pick to match with a 4th round lineman pick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins: What type of situation did Mike Shanahan walk into here?

Just when it seemed as if the Redskins had turned into Oakland East -- a storied franchise that no one wanted to work for thanks to an overweening owner -- the team landed the big fish by signing Mike Shanahan to become the new coach. Signing a two-time Super Bowl-winning head coach with a 146-98 record would immediately set off celebration in Detroit or Buffalo, but the enthusiasm was a bit more guarded in Washington.

You can forgive Redskins fans for thinking that they've seen this act before, as big-name signings and bad football have gone hand in hand for much of the Daniel Snyder era. Snyder began his tenure by throwing money at washed-up former greats such as Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith. He burned through famous coaches such as Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier and Joe Gibbs. It's been just 12 months since he signed Albert Haynesworth to a $100 million contract and was rewarded with a 4-12 season for his troubles. What reason is there to think that Shanahan will be different?

Start with the fact that while the Redskins might be picking fourth in the 2010 draft, they weren't close to actually ranking as one of the four worst teams in football according to Football Outsiders' play-by-play analysis. Washington finished with a -5.3 percent DVOA in 2009, good enough for 21st in our rankings. It ranked ahead of teams that were still in the playoff race until December, such as the Tennessee Titans and Jacksonville Jaguars, and was far ahead of eight teams with DVOA ratings below -20 percent.

In a draft with two elite quarterback prospects in Jimmy Clausen and Sam Bradford, as well as blue-chip left tackles such as Oklahoma State's Russell Okung and Maryland's Bruce Campbell, the Redskins are likely to have their choice of offensive players. Should the team opt for a quarterback -- and it sounds as if Shanahan does not regard Jason Campbell as a long-term solution -- it can rest easy in the knowledge that its coach has had a great deal of success culling offensive linemen and running backs from the middle and late rounds of the draft.

Washington's defense was one of the best in the league at generating pressure last season, posting a 7.5 percent adjusted sack rate, fifth in the NFL. But despite that pass rush, the defense was terrible at taking advantage of offensive mistakes. The Redskins ranked 30th in turnovers per drive, one of only three defenses (the Browns and Raiders were the other two) that didn't even manage one takeaway per 10 drives. Part of this can be attributed to players such as LaRon Landry and Carlos Rogers having poor instincts when the ball is in the air, but part of it is likely bad luck. If new defensive coordinator Jim Haslett can keep the pass rush going, the odds are that more hurried throws will end up in the hands of Redskins' defensive backs in 2010.

Sean McCormick is an author for Football Outsiders.

Posted by: TWISI | February 18, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Part of this can be attributed to players such as LaRon Landry and Carlos Rogers having no instincts when the ball is in the air, but part of it is Rogers was born with cement hands, and is literally unable to catch a ball.

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 18, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

KIPER sucks the big weenie. Trade personnel, match offers, trade down, get picks. GO 'SKINS.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

beantown

I see Dice K is hurt already.

Wazzup wid that?

The off-injured Dice K is just another Toyota product that doesn't live up the the advertising about high quality performance and manufactuaring.

I have a sense that if Dice K fails is or is hurt a lot, the Sawx and Mariners will be doing a little Cliff Lee for (X player) dealin' later on this year.

That's a playoff rotation of:

Beckett

Lackey

Lee

Lester

If I'm Theo, I'm hoping the Mariners fail early on in the season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Has the blog always been this uptight?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

How much is KIPER getting to pimp CLAUSEN?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The most important thing for the Redskins in this draft and free agent period. Snyder MUST stay out of it. I wouldn't allow him in the room!

Posted by: jayground1 | February 18, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Here we go:

Bradford won't work out in Indy
Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2010 8:49 AM ET
Quarterback Sam Bradford, a Heisman winner who ranked higher than first overall pick Matt Stafford on some draft boards a year ago, hopes to make the climb again despite a bad shoulder.

But scouts won't get a chance to eyeball Bradford's progress next week in Indianapolis where they will convene for the annual Underwear Olympics.

Former NFL scout Daniel Jeremiah reports that agents Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of CAA have informed all 32 teams by e-mail that Bradford won't work out for scouts until March 25. On that day, Bradford will conduct his own Pro Day session, 16 days after the official Oklahoma version of the Underwear Olympics.

The e-mail reportedly came with a letter from Dr. James Andrews, who explained that Bradford is ahead of schedule in his recovery from shoulder surgery, that the distance on Bradford's throws has been increasing, and that Bradford is on schedule for the March 25 workout.

Bradford nevertheless will be in Indy for medical exams, interviews, and Wonderlic testing.

Dr. Andrews' explanation is curious to say the least, given that Bradford himself told Dan Patrick two weeks ago that Bradford's had recently thrown 30 balls 50 yards.

Even if Bradford were 100 percent (and it sounds like he might be close to it), it's unlikely that he would have thrown any footballs at the Underwear Olympics. Few top-tier quarterbacks ever choose to throw there, preferring instead to show what they can do in familiar territory, with college teammates running the routes and catching the passes.

This year, neither of the top two quarterbacks will be doing anything at Indy other than talking, submitting to poking and prodding, and scribbling dots with a No. 2 pencil onto the answer page of a 50-question exam. Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen is recovering from toe surgery and won't work out.

It opens the door for Colt McCoy of Texas, who has said he'll try to throw. If he has a strong workout (like Pat White a year ago) McCoy could push himself into the top ten, especially since five of the top nine teams (Rams, Redskins, Browns, Seahawks, and Bills) need a long-term answer at the position.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/347295-is-washington-a-realistic-destination-for-brandon-marshall

Above link is a "nothing new" rumor.. but, interesting since one of the 3 picks the Skins gave up for JC in 05 was used by Denver to get Marshall in the 4th round of 2006.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

If we could get Seattles 14th pick a 3rd rounder and maybe a 6th or 7th rounder, I would probably pull the trigger.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

moe, upper back strain. The good news is that he was hurt at the API Center in AZ, getting in shape. The other good news is that its February, so not really anything to worry about at this time....pitchers and catchers report today....which if anything else warms my cold bones just a little...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Has the blog always been this uptight?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 9:52 AM

Well, Evan Bayh stopped posting on the blog six months ago and said that it had become too partisan even for him.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

For our #4...More likely to get Seattle's #14 and their 3rd round pick (replace the Jarmon loss). Considering most GM's agree that this year's 3rd round talent is comparable to last year's 2nd round talent.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Let's do it draft day if another offer doesn't come along that's better.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The most important thing for the Redskins in this draft and free agent period. Snyder MUST stay out of it. I wouldn't allow him in the room!

Posted by: jayground1 | February 18, 2010 9:57 AM

Dude, he owns the building; he can go anywhere he wants. Only his wife can kick him out of the room.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't trust Shanahan to make personnel decisions. Doesn't have a good track record at all.

Posted by: john24 | February 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Has the blog always been this uptight?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 9:52 AM

No that started some time mid season.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Bradford won't work out in Indy
Posted by Mike Florio on February 18, 2010 8:49 AM ET
Quarterback Sam Bradford, a Heisman winner who ranked higher than first overall pick Matt Stafford on some draft boards a year ago, hopes to make the climb again despite a bad shoulder.
Posted by: brownwood26 | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM |
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Bradford is Done..after the first "lift and plant" NFL sack to his right shoulder.
The Div 1 footage of his two shoulder injuries were minor compared to what he will experience when the weight plus speed of an NFL lineman slams him.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't trust Shanahan to make personnel decisions. Doesn't have a good track record at all.

Posted by: john24 | February 18, 2010 10:07 AM |

Really prove it!

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

For our #4...More likely to get Seattle's #14 and their 3rd round pick (replace the Jarmon loss). Considering most GM's agree that this year's 3rd round talent is comparable to last year's 2nd round talent.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Let's do it draft day if another offer doesn't come along that's better.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:01 AM
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I'd like to poach the Jax or Browns OLines which are considered top 10 in depth quality in the league (ie. Jax could afford to let Pashos go).
If a re-signed JC has another "sh-t fit trade me tantrum" about a drafted QB or an acquired FA QB... trade him to Jax or the Browns (both in serious QB need) for a coupla of their blue chip OLine guys.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, Evan Bayh stopped posting on the blog six months ago and said that it had become too partisan even for him.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse


So, that's what happened to Talent_Evaluator?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Has the blog always been this uptight?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 9:52 AM
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male menopause

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Bradford is Done..after the first "lift and plant" NFL sack to his right shoulder.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:10 AM

Doctor SNAGM,

Can I PLEASE get your medical opinion and your prognosis? I mean, I know you've never met me or examined me and haven't gotten closer to a medical school than your annual colonoscopy, but you do seem to be so skilled that those are unnecessary formalities.

I have a pain in my left shoulder. It's one of those sharp, tingly pains. Do you think I should (1) exercise more; (2) exercise less; (3) take a naproxen; (4) have it surgically repaired? And after I follow your advice, will I be able to resume normal physical activity or should I continue to call in sick?

Here is my Aetna insurance number: 8392-298382-1984A.

Thanks for your help, doctor.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

trade him to Jax or the Browns (both in serious QB need) for a coupla of their blue chip OLine guys.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Garrard = Jason Campbell


Won't be too much change at QB if they brought in Campbell and ditched Garrard.

When J-Ville drafts Tebow, they're going to cut that one linemen who dissed the hell out of Tebow.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 18, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Above link is a "nothing new" rumor.. but, interesting since one of the 3 picks the Skins gave up for JC in 05 was used by Denver to get Marshall in the 4th round of 2006.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:59 AM
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Wouldn't it be ironic if the Redskins trade for Marshall? I'd trade Moss for Marshall in a New York minute. I'd throw ARE in as a sweetener (kind of a bitter sweetener, I know).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Doctor SNAGM,

Can I PLEASE get your medical opinion and your prognosis? I mean, I know you've never met me or examined me and haven't gotten closer to a medical school than your annual colonoscopy, but you do seem to be so skilled that those are unnecessary formalities.

I have a pain in my left shoulder. It's one of those sharp, tingly pains. Do you think I should (1) exercise more; (2) exercise less; (3) take a naproxen; (4) have it surgically repaired? And after I follow your advice, will I be able to resume normal physical activity or should I continue to call in sick?

Here is my Aetna insurance number: 8392-298382-1984A.

Thanks for your help, doctor.


Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:28 AM
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As your doctor, I recommend you try switching hands when you masturbate. The shoulder injury probably comes from stroking the longfellow.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I have a pain in my left shoulder. It's one of those sharp, tingly pains. Do you think I should (1) exercise more; (2) exercise less; (3) take a naproxen; (4) have it surgically repaired? And after I follow your advice, will I be able to resume normal physical activity or should I continue to call in sick?

1. Soak the arm in a 55 gallon drum of ice water until you can't feel it anymore.
2. Chain-saw that sucker off.
3. Cauterize wound with blow-torch.

Anything else?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 18, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Has the blog always been this uptight?

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 18, 2010 9:52 AM
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No, but there's lot's of "experts" here who think they own it, myself included. So you're entitled Original let 'er rip.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

As your doctor, I recommend you try switching hands when you masturbate. The shoulder injury probably comes from stroking the longfellow.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 10:33 AM

RSH--You're not my physician. You're practicing without a license. And generalizing from personal experience. You're a quack. (Anyway, that pain shows up in the wrist, not the shoulder.)

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

As your doctor, I recommend you try switching hands when you masturbate. The shoulder injury probably comes from stroking the longfellow.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh hell, fall down funny. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be ironic if the Redskins trade for Marshall? I'd trade Moss for Marshall in a New York minute. I'd throw ARE in as a sweetener (kind of a bitter sweetener, I know).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 18, 2010 10:31 AM
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and we could continue to be awashed in irony if JC is traded for the top tier OLinemen he never had.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

RSH--You're not my physician. You're practicing without a license. And generalizing from personal experience. You're a quack. (Anyway, that pain shows up in the wrist, not the shoulder.)

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Get over yourself league-source. That was seriously funny and at your expense. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

L_S
Take 2 prostitutes and call me in the morning.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

L_S
Take 2 prostitutes and call me in the morning.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 18, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah. Retort?

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

You all are sick.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 18, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

That was seriously funny and at your expense. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:40 AM

Not my expense. It's covered by Aetna. Although I do have a $15 deductible. If I lived in North Dakota I don't think I'd even have to pay the deductible when health reform passes.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If a re-signed JC has another "sh-t fit trade me tantrum" about a drafted QB or an acquired FA QB... trade him to Jax or the Browns (both in serious QB need) for a coupla of their blue chip OLine guys.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse
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Whoa, hold on a minute: this is just not true. Even the most irrational of JC haters out there couldn't seriously argue that JC conducted himself with anything but dignity and class during the last off-season. He didn't throw any tantrums, even though many others in his position would have done so.

And on another note, someone please show me a better option next year at QB than JC. Contrary to popular belief among the haters, JC is, at worst, average. His stats place him firmly in the middle to upper-middle of starting QBs. An average QB on a good/great team can go far (hello, Trent Dilfer). With the exception of Ryan with the Falcons, I can't remember a rookie QB who had a good year when the entire playbook was being used, especially one that played behind a bad O-line. This JC hatred just has to stop.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 18, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

You all are sick.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 18, 2010 10:44 AM

That would be me, Red. I have a pain in my shoulder and need Dr. SNAGM's help. Rest of these dudes are sick in a different way.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 18, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

i hate this notion for simple reasons of karma.

the last Irish QB we had was snapped like a twig behind probably the best O-line ever....and he was a reasonably evasive veteran. exactly what chance would Clausen have behind a clusterf*** of an o-line like we have now?

Posted by: mdrockjock | February 18, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

That was seriously funny and at your expense. LOL.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:40 AM

Not my expense. It's covered by Aetna. Although I do have a $15 deductible. If I lived in North Dakota I don't think I'd even have to pay the deductible when health reform passes.

Posted by: League-Source | February 18, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Weak source, weak. You're better than that.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Like I said last night, if you take a QB and whiff on him badly you sent this franchise back a full 5 years at the least.

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LOL. The Redskins have made the playoffs three times in like 20 years, and haven't more than 10 games since '91. The franchise can't be set back any further.

Posted by: redskins459 | February 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

in a make believe world i would trade jason campbell to the rams for there 2nd round pick #33 overall. select jimmy claussen with our 4th overall pick and then with the 33rd and 36th picks i would get two offensive lineman the best two on the board with our 4th I would take a speedy back 5th a linebacker and 7th another 3-4 style d-end or nose tackle. I have been a big supporter of Campbell but im of his band wagon how many years does he need to develop im tired of all these excuses for him different system poor o-line Aaron Rodgers got sacked more than campbell and he pushed arizona to O.T in the playoffs and went to the pro-bowl how many times did campbell have good protection but hesistated to throw down field you cant win in this league with checkdowns to slow running backs he has hurt us long enough he must go!!

Posted by: cpt55back | February 18, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Neither Claussen or Bradford excite me to the point of taking either at 4. IMO JC is still a very viable option with what I believe is a positive upside who can be very sucessful if given the opportunity to stay upright and lead the team. As much as some folks want to bash JC, its gotta be tough (for anyone) to be the QB when your laying on the ground looking at the sky on just about every passing play....or scrambling for your life on the ones your not being hit. The focus should be primarily on the OL. Lets get a solid OL and then see what JC and the running game can do before starting the rebuilding project. Does anyone really think that Claussen/Bradford would do any better? We can get a really solid player at 4, lets not piss this opportunity away.

Posted by: regis429 | February 18, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanamalayaman:

We cannot trade pick no. 4. Period. Only in a very bad horror flick (not related to reality)

Posted by: ElYeah | February 18, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

just do the smart thing and take a lt

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | February 18, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

If they draft a QB it doesn't matter who they draft, he'll be sacked 70 times... Besides, none of the QBs in the draft looks any more skilled than Campbell. How about Okung in the first round a Bulaga in the second? Maybe ship off heyer, 5th rounder, and rogers for a late second or early third rounder to get a OG? Use the 4th rounder on a center. Now we're talking... The team may have other needs (young RB, CB, FS), but not really other holes so to speak. If campbell doesn't turn into superstar this year, then you've got the right kind of line with some experience going into next year when you can draft a QB #1 next year and let him develop before his frontal cortex is dysfunctional from repeated bashings. Big mistake if they draft a QB instead of a lineman early.

Posted by: zickzack | February 18, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Even if we keep Campbell i seriously doubt he will be here longer than one year so why not draft our QB this year let him sit or even compete for the starting job even if campbell does do well he is not taking us no further than 3rd in the division next year we are going to need a Qb anyway so why not get him now. this draft is loaded with tackles but short on quality Qb's we need a guy who is going to throw the ball that can read defenses and make adjustments at the line of scrimmage im not saying dont draft o-lineman just get JC's replacement i was a fan but the record speaks for itself he is middle of the pack at best and will never even be mentioned as a pro-bowl type Qb trade him for picks why keep him around for another year if he is going to leave anyway if he was unrestricted he would have been left town the way the team and fans and owner bash him why would he stay so get rid of him now and who is to say that with a good line he is going to emerge he wont throw down the field has a wide release and is inaccurate he had a good qb coach last year in zorn and even he could not help him reach his potential. his best has been shown and it's not even middle of the pack they didnt want him at auburn the redskins dont want him anymore and this is comin from people who see him every day watch him practice watch him behind closed doors his time is up

Posted by: cpt55back | February 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is insane. For a more realistic draft projection checkout Yahoo Sports or even Kipers collague Todd Mcshay.

Although I like Campbell I prefer winning and I am a realist.
The Reskins need to stop all the madness and draft offensive lineman period. They can get a quarterback in the later rounds because whomever they draft at QB won't stand a chance with the current guys we have on the O-Line...

Posted by: BeatDontStop | February 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to a 1st round QB!!! Mel Kiper doesn't know where his who ha ends and his sphincter begins.

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | February 18, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is a fool.. We need to draft as many quality ol help as possible, get a running bacck, and draft defensive backs

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

his frontal cortex is dysfunctional from repeated bashings. ....

Posted by: zickzack

ZZ- preexisting condition from Auburn education

Posted by: ElYeah | February 18, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mel, Your hairstyle went out of style in the 1950's. The Fonz figured that out 25 years ago. Time for you to catch up with the scene. I think prolonged use of your hair gel has caused a serious loss of brain cells, although it might be a good idea to line the new protective head gear with it. Concussions would be at an all time low, while the extreme mental retardedness wouldn't take effect for years. Troy Aikman might still remember how to tie his shoes if he lined his helmet with Kiper's hair gel. Then again, maybe not.

Posted by: kbourgault2000 | February 18, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Read this.

http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php

If Shanahan agrees, you absolutely have to make that pick. The position is too important to wait for God to deliver a Tom Brady.

If the evaluation says that Clausen can't play, however, you'd be crazy to not pick a LT.

Posted by: mrsaun | February 18, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It's that time of year again for us to be barraged with hot air from Kiper. It's amazing that he has made a living hyping his "analysis." A testament to his doggedness or the folly of ESPN. Once Polian ripped him live I thought it would be over. All this is just nonsense - questioning Denver personnel decisions but claiming ignorance of Shanahan's role....he just wants to keep his fake love-fest up and running so he does not get frozen out by peripheral team employees. I'd like to see a lifetime analysis of how accurate his projections are. Shanahan may be arrogant but he is not stupid - he'll have to rebuild in a number of spots and his son saw what happened when Texas put sure-fire ultra-QB prospect David Carr behind a pitiful OL.

Posted by: i155133 | February 18, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Trade.


Down.

Posted by: WorstSeat | February 18, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

This is what I would do if I were GM...
Posted by: KurtShanaman"

All I can say is, thank God you're not...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 18, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't think anybody pretends that Mel Kiper knows as much about football as, say, any GM in the league. His opinions are mostly those of other people, scouts and personnel men, who he bribed with drinks and dinner to give him their unfettered opinions about prospects. He's in the unique position of being able to circumvent the disinformation that surrounds the drafting process. You've got the GMs and their staffs doing everything in their power to mislead their colleagues about who they like and why, hoping against hope to land a big fish for peanuts. Kiper simply takes the pulse of the industry as a whole, a consensus opinion, and pretnds it was his own. In some ways that's more valuable than the considered opinion of any one scout.

Clausen is a very, very good QB prospect. So was Bradford before his injuries. I couldn't say if Clausen is 'worth' a number four selection, but then again, I can't say if Suh or Russell Okung or Eric Berry are worth their projected draft positions, either. There's just too many variables.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 18, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

SOOO sick of over-hyped QBs.

Every year, same thing: "Leinart is the next Elway, Shuler will take a club to the next level, Quinn doesn't stink..."

All BS.

You would think "Talent Evaluators" should be able to, uh, I don't know, maybe evaluate talent?

They know when to expect their paychecks, I'm sure, the rotten good-for-nothings.

I'd feel a LOT better about relying on my Talent Evaluators, taking a low-risk pick and grooming him, as opposed to seeing which school has a national TV contract and limiting my search to those QBs, while staking my hopes on a First Round Pick, a contract they'll NEVER live up to, and a potential hold out.

But, I guess that's why I'm poor.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 19, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks the redskins should trade cooley for draft picks is a fuqqin idiot!!! the man gets injured and suddenly he's worthless? the same cooley u guys were jock riding when he made great plays in his tenure w/ the team and you're saying "trade cooley". you wannabe kipers out there should put the game controller down and swallow a hole bottle of aspirin! cooley will return to the line up, reclaim his starting spot and davis will continue to learn how to block as good as cooley does. i'm not taking anything away from davis because he did his thing when the opportunity presented itself but cooley has proven that he's too valuable to just trade. man....you would think the way some of you guys make silly suggestions, you're actually cowboy fans!

Posted by: charronegro1971 | February 19, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

OK, so I've been playing talent evaluator (youtube) and Clausen has nice mechanics.

But,

He's throwing a lot of junk, I mean jump balls up in the end zone, which his receivers, who actually impress me WAY more than he does, fought for and came down with.

So, in summation, Clausen is nothing special - he actually makes Colt Brennan look really really good.

And finally, get Golden Tate when the time comes. THAT guy should get 99% or Clausen's signing bonus wherever his over-rated tookus lands.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 19, 2010 4:04 AM | Report abuse

"[Clausen]'s throwing a lot of junk, I mean jump balls up in the end zone, which his receivers, who actually impress me WAY more than he does, fought for and came down with."

Surprised to hear this. I was impressed with how many times Clausen put the deep ball where only his WR could reach it -- on the correct shoulder. Don't forget how short Tate is.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Drafting a QB high is always about the same couple arguments. First, that QB is the most important position, so if you get a great one, you'll have a great won-loss record. Second, that everybody drafts QBs high because good ones are so scarce.

The real question is how good are these QBs? You almost always get one QB drafted in the top three picks, usually first. That QB is rated relative to the other available QBs in that class. So some years you get Troy Aikman, and some years you get Alex Smith. The best in their respective classes, but there the similarity ends.

How good are Clausen and Bradford? Hard to say. They're just a ways ahead of the other QBs in this class.

Will Dan LeFevour turn out to be as good as either of them? The odds say no.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 19, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what you're watching.
I'm saying, Clausen's "Highlights" are littered with him throwing into coverage... You can almost hear him yell "Five Hundred" on release.

I'm sure the ints don't make the highlight reel, but I'd be surprised if at least 50% don't end up knocked down or picked.

Not to mention, Golden Tate isn't the only receiver he's throwing to. The TE looks to be about 7 feet tall.

Compare Clausen's tapes to Colt Brennan's and you'll have a better idea of my skepticism.

I don't see wasting the pick and the money on this guy. Seems like a very very very bad idea.

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 19, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is not going to draft a Tackle.. Shanny is going to draft a QB or trade down.. he's always belived in drafting OL in the later rounds and then developing them just like the running backs he's drafted... the last high first rounder he took was Clady who's a stud right now.. If you look at the broncos's starting OL before clady they were all late round picks or not even drafted. Shanny believes he wont be drafting this high every year so i'll bet he takes a QB if they stay pat.. I think the pick will be Clausen.

Posted by: syklor | February 19, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

does anyone remember the HOGS!they took three different QB'S to the superbowl and WON.in this draft you get the best ol you can draft,(even if you have to trade down)because they win championships.the defence is good with a tweak here or there.get a core group of o-line and a QB in the later rounds and build a team for not one year but very many years.

Posted by: just_call_me_shell | February 19, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

My favorite is the Clausen Signing Day. Stretch hummer limo, at the college football hall of fame, with championship rings on. Thats what we need, another a-hole. And he was punched in the face by a Notre Dame freakin fan! What a leader

Posted by: vincentc | February 20, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

For our #4...More likely to get Seattle's #14 and their 3rd round pick (replace the Jarmon loss). Considering most GM's agree that this year's 3rd round talent is comparable to last year's 2nd round talent.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 18, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Let's do it draft day if another offer doesn't come along that's better.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 18, 2010 10:01 AM

if that's happens a I would love it Here are 2 possibilities take a vote on the one that you think is better for the redskins both with the above trade in effect

"A" 6th take Eric berry
36th take jahvid best
38th take Dan lefevour
and sign all you linemen in free agency

"B" 6th take okung
36th take Dan lefevour
38th take Taylor mayes
and again sign linemen in free agency

Either way I think lefevour is a player we need to draft this kid and shanny can coach him to play under center either way I'm happy with these 2 drafts but doutful it could happen

"A"

Posted by: Superman321 | February 21, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Kiper is a dog! Oh, sorry, that is Kipper the Dog! Anyway, do not listen to this idiot!

Posted by: JohnWWW | February 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

does anyone remember the HOGS!they took three different QB'S to the superbowl and WON.in this draft you get the best ol you can draft,(even if you have to trade down)because they win championships.the defence is good with a tweak here or there.get a core group of o-line and a QB in the later rounds and build a team for not one year but very many years.
Posted by: just_call_me_shell
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Look it's not JUST OL or QB it's a combination of both. Yeah there are a lot of QB's who might have won Super Bowls but there are also a lot of OL men who never won because they never had a good enough QB's... Anthoney Munoz, Jackie Slater, Dan Dierdorf, John Hannah, Ron Yary and Bruce Matthews have never won Super Bowls.. and they were part of some of the best OL's ever...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 24, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, hold on a minute: this is just not true. Even the most irrational of JC haters out there couldn't seriously argue that JC conducted himself with anything but dignity and class during the last off-season. He didn't throw any tantrums, even though many others in his position would have done so. And on another note, someone please show me a better option next year at QB than JC. Posted by: skinsfan713
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Yes it is true because besides the "trade me" if the Skins draft Sanchez comment he made last year this year he gave that "not fair" comment that Zorn got on him about and in an interview with Joe Theismann wouldn't even say he wanted to be the Skins QB when Joe asked him. Not to mention that sour look he always has on his face. Honestly 4-12.. 0-6 vs NFC East I can't understand why anyone wants him back. Besides remember last year (the last time people were saying give JC one more chance) then people were saying Campbell would have to win 10 games and make the playoffs to keep his job.. whatever happened to that??? And there are lots of options.. IF you are just looking for one year as a bridge to the next QB of the future well then you can give the ball to Colt or Collins. Both of those guys can handle it for one year.. and be BETTER than Campbell. Or get a FA. Chad Pennington, David Carr, Sage Rosenfels (played 2 years under Kyle Shanahan) maybe even Pat Ramsey (who played 2 years under Mike Shanahan). Anyone of these guys could be a transition guy and in the case of Colt maybe a long term guy. And they would be cheaper than resigning Campbell. Look it's simple if Campbell is NOT the future than get rid of him NOW!!! Campbell would be happier and so will the Skins and the fans...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 24, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Trade the pick and pic up our Oline!
Are you listening Shanny? This is what I would do if I were GM..."

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And this is why you are not a GM KurtShanman. Did you just switch over to RFB when Kurt came over?

Posted by: robjway1 | February 24, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

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