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Fred Davis, Chris Cooley are focus of competition at tight end


Tight end Fred Davis emerged as a target for the Redskins in the 2009 after Chris Cooley suffered a season-ending ankle injury in October. But now, with Cooley healthy, there are questions about how the Redskins will manage the position.

"The only position where one guy is out there is quarterback," offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said following the team's first minicamp. "Whatever it is, our best player is going to be out on the field. If we feel two tight ends are better than three receivers, we'll put two tight ends out there and go with two receivers. It's whatever your personnel is, and you have to adjust that way as a coach."

Davis, a second-round draft pick in 2008, won the John Mackey Award as the nation's top collegiate tight end while playing at the University of Southern California. His welcome to Washington, however, was initially harsh after he overslept on the third day of a minicamp that May. He fared better during the team's first minicamp under Mike
Shanahan.

With his development last season, Davis has taken steps to put that infamous incident behind him and assert himself as an important part of the Redskins' young core of talent. He started 10 games last season and finished with 48 receptions for 509 yards.
Davis said he views his upcoming third season as a very important one for his professional future. He says it's a serious year because "you're not a rookie anymore, you don't have any more chances."

"People look at you now like, 'Is he a developer or one of those guys who doesn't work out in the NFL?'" Davis says. "I want to be an everyday starter in the league some day, so I've got to make the best out of it."

Exactly how Davis will factor into the offense with Cooley back in the mix remains a question. Both are better pass-catching tight ends. Typically, in a two-tight end offense, one of the tight ends will take on primary blocking responsibilities and the other focus on a pass route. The team has other options as a blocking tight end: Dennis Morris, Sean Ryan and Lee Vickers.

But clearly, the top two on the depth chart are Cooley and Davis. The battle for playing time will pit a representative of the Redskins' future, Davis, against a member of their establishment, Cooley, who was drafted in 2004 but already has the second-most receptions by a tight end in franchise history.

During the team's first minicamp, Davis said he was not worried about the competition for playing time. He said the coaches have given him and Cooley equal reps in practice, which is something he said he needed in order to feel comfortable.

"I just want to be on the field, make sure we're both being productive, making plays," Davis said of he and Cooley. "I don't think he's selfish; I'm not either. We just want to win, that's the objective now. Whatever it takes for that to happen, we'll do whatever
we have to do and make each other better."

Taylor Gibbs' festival

Liz Clarke interviewed former Redskins coach Joe Gibbs, whose NASCAR team is in a strong position to win its fourth championship, ahead of the Richmond race. Most importantly, Gibbs said that his 5-year-old grandson Taylor is now cancer-free after undergoing chemotherapy for leukemia, diagnosed when he was 2. To celebrate Taylor's milestone, Gibbs, his son J.D. and daughter-in-law Melissa are holding a festival May 23 at the Charlotte Motor Speedway Drag Strip. Complete with rides, games, a BMX stunt show and auction (lunch with Gibbs, Redskins memorabilia and tickets to a Redskins suite for the 2010 Dallas home game are among the items), all proceeds from Taylor's Finish Line Festival will benefit the Make-a-Wish Foundation and Levine Children's Hospital.

By Mark Viera  |  May 2, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
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Comments

Let me be the first to say....

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I am glad Taylor is cancer free. God is good.

Posted by: anacostia85 | May 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"...offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said following the team's first minicamp. "Whatever it is, our best player is going to be out on the field. If we feel two tight ends are better than three receivers, we'll put two tight ends out there and go with two receivers. It's whatever your personnel is, and you have to adjust that way as a coach."

Don't you love the way coaches always make themselves sound so flexible and open to new ideas?

LOL I don't believe it. They're a conservative bunch as a rule, which is why a risk taker like Bill Walsh stands out so far. Of course, some risks are bad risks.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 2, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"I am glad Taylor is cancer free. God is good."

Posted by: anacostia85

hhhhmmm....i'm glad he's cancer-free too, but what about the other 10,000 or so american kids under 15 who will GET cancer this year? - and the thousands who will DIE from it?

if you say "god is good" and imply that god had anything to do with taylor's cancer "going away", then you've got to blame god for inflicting cancer on him and all those other kids in the first place - or at least you've got to blame him for letting it happen, right? it's just logical. if god gets credit, then he's got to take the blame.... if god were good there would be no cancer.

just keepin' it real.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"....If we feel two tight ends are better than three receivers, we'll put two tight ends out there and go with two receivers."

There's always the option of using F Davis as a big slot receiver who's 'flexed' and in motion to defy matchup possibilities.

Who do you cover Davis with is Cooley is still on the field as a traditional TE?

Use them both in preference to depending upon our yet to prove themselves young wide receivers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

walter-in-falls-church...

I'm sure those people who were on the plane that landed in the Hudson River without a scratch would say that God is good!

Athiest!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Walter: it's Sunday morning on a Redskins' blog during the offseason. There's a nice little story about a kid who no longer has cancer. Lighten up, jackass.

Can Shanahan use Davis as a WR?

Posted by: BShea821 | May 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

How can Davis put the "over sleeping" incident behind him if the press and media always have to remind everyone that it happened?

Also has not everyone over slept for work or something else before?

C'mon let that go stop reporting it.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

walter-in-falls-church...

I'm sure those people who were on the plane that landed in the Hudson River without a scratch would say that God is good!

Athiest!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse
Slow day on the blog. Complete the sentence..."God is..."

Or better yet, keep it to yourself.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Can Shanahan use Davis as a WR?

Posted by: BShea821 | May 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I think both Cooley and Davis can and will be used in the slot.

How about both on same side of formation. Slot moves to LOS, wideout becomes flanker, then goes in motion. Just as he passes slot, ball is snapped, and both of them crack back on DE and LB. OG leads RB to outside.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 2, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge,
i hope those people will also think the pilot was pretty darned good.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Ricky...

Walter is right. "God is good"? What about all the planes full of innocent men, women, and children that have died in plane crashes over the last hundred years? God didn't care about them enough to save them?
Don't give god credit...give that kick-assed pilot the credit he deserves. HE is good!

You're little "jab" at Walter for calling him an Athiest is not an insult to him (not that I'm trying to speak for him). It just means he has properly classified 'god' on the right shelf along with Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and the Great Pumpkin. All nice feel-good stories, but just silly tall tales.

You know... I love a great magic show, but as real as it looks, I still know it's fake. Why can't you realize the same thing when you're sitting in church, synagogue, or temple that it's the same thing. You and all your previous generations that convinced you this was true have all been duped by the biggest scam of mankind.

No more insults. It just shows your mindlessness.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Most importantly, Gibbs said that his 5-year-old grandson Taylor is now cancer-free after undergoing chemotherapy for leukemia, diagnosed when he was 2. "--RI


Yeah I know it's a football blog, not a medical blog, but you buried the lede. Puts a little thing like TE competition in perspective.

Posted by: TheCork | May 2, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

just keepin' it real.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch

You are about as real as Pamela Anderson's Hoo-ha's.

It was a pro-atheism editorial, which of course you are entitled to write in America, thank G..., er thank The Forefathers, but as has been expressed often here has no place here, just stirs up the rabbel, and doesn't prove a damn thing.

Posted by: TheCork | May 2, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Wait, what is this about Fred Davis oversleeping practice at a minicamp?

Next we'll hear about Sean Taylor leaving rookie orientation early.

Oh no...

Posted by: hemlock28 | May 2, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Very true, Cork.

So happy for the Gibbs family! If I was him, I'd want to throw a festival to commemorate something that special, too.

Sure hope we find a permanent cure soon. Too many innocent, good people lose to it. Cancer sucks!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Davis and Cooley is a good problem to have. no complaints, the coaches will find some creative ways to make it happen.

and since we're mostly off-topic already...

my favorite sacred cow is Kamadhenu, aka "the mother of all cows":

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/2294773759_cfb1a89907.jpg

congrats Taylor, may Kamadhenu be with you.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

DC2AZ99,
on an earlier thread you said you went to jeb stuart "back in the day." me too! if god is good and saves her from car accidents and cancer and so forth, my daughter will be going there in a few years.

TheCork,
i do often thank the forefathers for the secular nature of our country.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BShea821

"Can Shanahan use Davis as a WR?"


We've posted this before and still think it's the better option as it opens up all kinds of possibilities.

Davis moving to wide receiver might make him the next A Gates (yes, hyperbole is engaged at this point).

The wide receiver depth chart becomes:

Moss
Davis
Thomas
Kelly
Austin

Then, with an open roster spot, the team can carry an additional blocking TE or def linemen or whatever need player it decides it needs.

The scheme advantages alone would make such a move a good idea.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Per Cork's comment re: leaving the religious commentary on the RI board....

My bad. Please disregard my earlier rambling. It just struck a nerve at the time and my filter temporarily broke.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

indeed, having two good pass-catching tight ends is a good "problem" to have.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

God is but a metaphor.. originally used as as a means to control a gullible society of mindless followers.

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting that the Redskins are splitting reps between Davis and Cooley. I think that means, as many of you have speculated, that they will both be on the field together. I wouldn't take any reps away from the receivers, but Mike Sellers is not my favorite pass catcher, so wouldn't mind seeing a single back set with two tight ends. It gives McNabb more receiving threats.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

I notice your list dropped off Mitchell. Not a big fan of his or does moving Davis over to WR just make the WR lineup too crowded?

I'd hate to see him go. I've liked a lot of what I've seen from him and would like to see what more he's capable of with the first-stringers.

I say keep Davis and Cooley as TEs and then have D-Mo switch between backup FB and blocking TE duties. That way we can have depth for FB and TE while only requiring one roster spot.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

God is but a metaphor.. originally used as as a means to control a gullible society of mindless followers.

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:06 PM
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Man, you need to go to a different Chinese restaurant if you are finding sayings like that in your fortune cookies.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Walter,
From my math, you left Stuart in 84, right? I finished in 88, so we were probably roaming the halls at the same time. Cool your daughter will continue the tradition!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

DC2AZ99,
actually, i graduated in '82.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

DC2AZ99,
did you move to arizona in 1999? is that what "dc2az99" means?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear some predictions on the over/under date for when we stop hearing about the Fred Davis alarm clock incident.

I think by the time he's on his second contract and made his first Pro Bowl in 2012 that we may finally be spared the redundant rehashing of this non event.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | May 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"...your list dropped off Mitchell. Not a big fan of his or does moving Davis over to WR just make the WR lineup too crowded?"

Mitchell, like Kelly, has yet to prove himself.

But with Kelly having been drafted high, he'll get an extensive shot to be the team's 'big' receiver.

Marko isn't a special teamer and wasn't drafted high, and even if Davis isn't moved to wr, he has a fight ahead of him this summer.

He'd have to have an outstanding training camp just to stay above the Bobby Wades and Joey Galloways of the world.

Such is the life of the NFL roster 'bubble' guys.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Believing in God requires faith. Thus, making it easier not to believe in God. Water flows the path of least resistance. How does that equal "mindless" believers?

Most atheists are atheists because they hate Christians. It has nothing to do with not believing in a creator.

Why do atheists always assume that when someone praises God, they are praising the Christian God.

Just another way for republicans and democrats to argue, I guess.

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Shame that Marko hasn't been given many chances on the field- last year was just rotten in so many ways. He totally could turn out to be the tall possession receiver opposite Moss that we be so crave..

They should just vacuum up a small island of sand and dump it right on the leak...And whatever happened to the underwater bulldozers?? I know a trawler captain that constructed the secret sub bases off Cuba and,,,oops!!

Posted by: frak | May 2, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

God is but a metaphor.. originally used as as a means to control a gullible society of mindless followers.

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:06 PM
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Man, you need to go to a different Chinese restaurant if you are finding sayings like that in your fortune cookies.
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I am a man of science, logic and nature... i.e... reality not fantasy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 12:18 PM

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Just another way for republicans and democrats to argue, I guess."

Now, this is a possibly inflammatory comment.

Which political group is which?

One promotes God while engaging in mindless, callous, greed oriented activities.

The other promotes secular identity while denying the religious undertones that define the nation and culture.

Which group is which?

I say they both are jacked up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

to bring the conversation back to football.... i wonder how god chooses which team to bless when players/coaches/fans from both teams make contradictory requests of him?

for instance, every time there's a game-deciding field goal about to be kicked, you know god's gotta be getting all kinds mutually-exclusive prayers. how does he deal with that? is it "intensity of faith"? or sheer number of prayers? (sheer number of prayers would not really be fair to the small-market teams.) we KNOW this is the case because cameramen have no trouble finding people in various prayer positions.

but, seriously, how egotistical are these people to think god gives a crap about whether the kick goes through or not?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Correct assumption, Walter.

I miss DC, but the weather out here is too good to pass up. So glad for the NFL Ticket because I don't have to sacrifice missing the games. I miss the local TV commentary on the team, though.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Why are most abortions used as a form of contraceptive?

And why would a man like Hitler think abortions are a good thing?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

to bring the conversation back to football.... i wonder how god chooses which team to bless when players/coaches/fans from both teams make contradictory requests of him?

for instance, every time there's a game-deciding field goal about to be kicked, you know god's gotta be getting all kinds mutually-exclusive prayers. how does he deal with that? is it "intensity of faith"? or sheer number of prayers?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 1:04 PM

if you're into Judeo-Christian faith, it's the number and quality of first-born lambs sacrificed from your flock (cf. Genesis 4:4)...

...elsewhere it's stuff like how many virgins you toss into the volcano.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Believing in God requires faith. Thus, making it easier not to believe in God. Water flows the path of least resistance. How does that equal "mindless" believers?

Most atheists are atheists because they hate Christians. It has nothing to do with not believing in a creator.

Why do atheists always assume that when someone praises God, they are praising the Christian God.

Just another way for republicans and democrats to argue, I guess.

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 12:44 PM
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There is a superpowerful, omnipotent being controlling all life.. I have no proof, no evidence, no authentication.. just take my word for it, give me your money, follow me and adopt my own interpretation.

That's how these smooth talking cult leaderss succeed.. the leader's interpretation says "let me cleanse your soul with my penis".. and guess what?

Remember they used to worship volcanos, reptiles, celestial bodies... some still worship rodents, farm animals and such. Why is God not just another volcano? Same difference perhaps?

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

God is but a metaphor.. originally used as as a means to control a gullible society of mindless followers.

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:06 PM
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Man, you need to go to a different Chinese restaurant if you are finding sayings like that in your fortune cookies.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 12:18 PM
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I am a man of science, logic and nature... i.e... reality not fantasy.
Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 12:56 PM
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As a man of science I wish you would fix your post so it doesn't look like I am the one saying your words. I fixed it here, but next time, my by-line goes with my stuff and your quote doesn't go in the middle, okay?

As for being a man of science making you and atheist, man, that is laughable. Have you ever really looked at the universe and thought there wasn't some intelligence behind the design of it? Can you think of the almost trillion to one chance that intelligent life would evolve from a primordial soup of amino acids? How about the way the planets revolve around the sun in lockstep distance just as Kepler predicted? What about the construction of the atom with its electron cloud and its precise requirements in every shell? Now, I look at science and see too much order not to believe there was a higher power behind the universe's construction.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 1:18 PM

hey buddy, lay off on the disparaging talk about farm animals and volcanoes.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo, you said,
"...it's the number and quality of first-born lambs sacrificed from your flock"

oh...man...i feel terrible....but you know, now that you mention it, the last time i sacrificed lambs was in 1991...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Did the laws of gravity, motion, energy conservation etc. exist before the big bang?

Or did the big bang create those too?

And if it did, how come everything the big bang created evolves except those universal laws?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Has an Atheist ever won a sporting event?

Sure seems like God is on the winning team a lot!

Posted by: filmchis | May 2, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

God's Law may be impossible to achieve, but it's a helluva fashion statement.."Oh, c'mon , Madge , the "Exploded" look is IN this year, all the girls in Hiroshima are doing it!!"

I frankly think the humes can't handle the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge, too damn arrogant and ignorant for oil rigs, nuclear reactors and H-bombs...I'll cheer for them Skins till the lights go out, though...

Posted by: frak | May 2, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Is asking for money inherently evil?

Or is it a personal choice to give money?

Even better:

Is asking for or giving money a reason to hate religion?


Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

oh...man...i feel terrible....but you know, now that you mention it, the last time i sacrificed lambs was in 1991...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 1:26 PM

MOL, but think it was the 1993 switch to sacrificing goats in the pre-game prayer circle that really did us in...

regardless, gotta graze the yard again. maybe more football talk later? or have we exhausted the available topics pending a signing, trade, OTAs, etc?

cheers.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Does David Bohm's theory of "implicate order" provide evidence of a higher existence?

Is there any proof, evidence or authentication of a creator not existing?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinsHead,

It's a trillion to one that'll I'll step on an ant today, but that doesn't require divine intervention. Just me performing an unpredictable accident. But...yay...now the world has one less bug! Isn't it a miracle how perfectly that worked out, too?!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

hey buddy, lay off on the disparaging talk about farm animals and volcanoes.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 1:24 PM |
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Sorry, just making a point. Some will never get it so what's the point in trying. Good day all...Godspeed as it were.

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Do atheists ever offer logical insight about why God doesn't exist?

Or do they just rely on imperfect human beings acting imperfect as the crux of their argument?

Does one evil pastor driving a Cadillac paid for by giving people prove God doesn't exist?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Cancer rocks! So do car accidents, murder and cariac arrest. I just hope we start having more of them. We've already been infested with a people who don't care to learn our language, bring gang violence, death, they manage our grocery stores and don't know what grits are and the buggers concern is that all of them have 18 kids and counting so they cam get more handouts from our government. Keep the cancer coming which ever myth in the sky is handing it out. I'd like to raise my kids in El'Virginia.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 2, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

oh, my God, METAPHYSICS? really?

people, people, it's all THEORIES! relativity's still a theory, the Big Bang is a theory, God's really a theory...

isn't physics at a crossroad right now as far as they're starting to see some weird fundamental order in what they thought was the chaos of the universe?

the point is, there's holes in ALL the myriad things people believe. there's more things in heaven and earth, then are dreamt of in your philosophy, and all that.

i have faith that Kareeeeem is the answer at FS.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Can a man of science, logic and nature explain to me:

Did the laws of gravity, motion, energy conservation etc. exist before the big bang?

Or did the big bang create those too?

And if it did, how come everything the big bang created evolves except those universal laws?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

than are dreamt of, i mean.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

What's gonna happen when religious people figure out their God doesn't exist?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinsHead,

It's a trillion to one that'll I'll step on an ant today, but that doesn't require divine intervention. Just me performing an unpredictable accident. But...yay...now the world has one less bug! Isn't it a miracle how perfectly that worked out, too?!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 1:42 PM
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That's not even close to what I was saying. There is randomness in the universe - like your bug crushing example - but there is also an order that cannot be denied. There is a section of mathematical theory that deals with chaos and there is even a pattern to chaos. Look, I am not a bible-thumping, scripture-in-the-living-room religious person, but it seems to me like there is too much unexplained in the universe for us to go writing off the possibility of a supreme being.

Now, there is enough evidence to convince me that Carlos Rogers will never get ten interceptions in a season. That I can count on.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse"

As a man of science, yes I have looked at the universe and unequivocally thought there was no intelligent design behind it. I can think of the trillion to one odds behind the chance of intelligent life, then look at the infinite number of other times intelligent life could have spawned, but did not. It's not that there was one opportunity, and in that one opportunity, life capitalized on trillion to one odds; it's that there have been innumerable opportunities, and life happened to cash in on the trillion to one odds one of those times (and probably more, though we don't have the evidence nor means to find it).

Planets revolving around the sun is based purely on physical law. And they do not orbit at lockstep distance, but instead are constantly in flux with their movements based on the deteriorating gravitational pull generated by the sun's burning of energy and the outward force of the gravitational constant due to the expansion of space. This fluctuation in orbit occurs at a pace that is far too slow for any human life to be affected (or for any ecologic era, for that matter) but it does occur.

The construction of the atom in all its complexity and and order is, again, based off uniform physical law. Less is known about the lesser components within the atom, but what is known is that they continue to obey physical laws located throughout the universe.

Is it possible a higher intelligence designed the order seen throughout the universe, introduced the physical laws that govern every bit of matter so that his/her input would never be needed to explain any physical property or evolution after the initial creation, and left no evidence behind as a marker for this?

Sure, I guess it's possible.

But it sure isn't any higher being that's ever been described in any religion ever presented.

But personally, I believe there to be no god, only a an ever-expanding volume of knowledge that has yet to be discovered, due to our lack of means to discover it. In 100 years, questions will be answered regarding the order of the atom, the physical properties of spatial expansion, and everything in-between, but there will be further questions regarding what we still won't know at that point -- and they will surely be attributed to a "god".

But even those questions, given enough time and resources, will be able to be answered too.

Posted by: psps23 | May 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Do atheists ever offer logical insight about why God doesn't exist?

Or do they just rely on imperfect human beings acting imperfect as the crux of their argument?

Does one evil pastor driving a Cadillac paid for by giving people prove God doesn't exist?

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse
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Cadillacs and prepubescent wieners.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

i know Reid is on vacation, but is the rest of the RI staff? this thread needs a beep something fierce.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with discussing the merits of atheism and spirituality on a slow Sunday in the middle of the offseason? I don't see any vulgarity or large spouts of ignorance being spewed. Lighten up people.

Posted by: psps23 | May 2, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Taylor is cancer free. God is good.

Posted by: anacostia85 | May 2, 2010 10:16 AM |


What is truly SAD is that anyone would actually be offended by this post.

Posted by: filmchis | May 2, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

My experience is, Choiches, Ash-Rams and Such is Hijacked by Evil, but the Spirit is Real, like Lao-Tzu sayed, you don't even need to talk about it, the Tao...Bruce Lee say, "WHOOOAAAAIIIIIIIII!!!!"

Posted by: frak | May 2, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

all right, man i don't get how those who don't believe in anything but the laws of physics get through the day without screaming.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Cooley and Davis are going to create a lot of mismatches for defenses this year.

As far as God, he was responsible for waking you up this morning, for the sunrising and setting, the wind, the currents in the seas, these things don't just happen by themselves, they are orchestrated by a higher power.

For all you non-beleivers and atheists, if you go outside and are the victim of a drive-by shooting, the first thing out of your mouth is going to be .... yeah, "God, help me, .... or "Oh my God, ... you'll reference a higher power then, trust me, if your still alive.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 2, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Just another way for republicans and democrats to argue, I guess.

Posted by: Debaitor | May 2, 2010 12:44 PM

Thoughts on the two party system..

The after party is the one you want to attend.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 2, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Anacostia85, your right, "God is good"!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 2, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 2, 2010 2:38 PM

you mean Kamadhenu, right?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

whatever your higher power is labeled, moodlyboodoo included.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 2, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

fair enough '72...

but if you're that open-minded, you shouldn't have a problem if someone worships at the altar of Satan.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"What's wrong with discussing the merits of atheism and spirituality on a slow Sunday in the middle of the offseason? I don't see any vulgarity or large spouts of ignorance being spewed. Lighten up people.Posted by: psps23"

I'm heading over to the Religion blog to see what they have to say about McNabb, Shanahan, and the ethics of cut blocking.

I bet they point me back here.

What's the point of having a topic if you insist on ignoring it?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

god freaks, get a life

Posted by: BMACattack | May 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

god freaks, get a life

Posted by: BMACattack | May 2, 2010 3:01 PM

And that goes double for the atheist freaks.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | May 2, 2010 3:00 PM

probably just one of those cathartic man-love sessions where we all get to know each other a little better, while providing ammunition for future posts.

nothing wrong with that, but would rather talk football, *if* someone can come up with a better topic than Davis versus Cooley. both on the roster, both good players, and (barring some act from above) both will be here for the start of the season.

for the record... this cow doesn't care what you believe, nor should anyone care what cows believe.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the first to say....

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 10:13 AM

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You adopt a new handle in order to be eventually able to post this?

Well done...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I love CC but I love winning more. May the best man win(and play)! HTTR!!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 2, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If you believe in Strawberry more than Chocolate cow there's gonna be a problem.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Walter in Falls Church for establishing your identity on RI as a non-believer. You tried the whole spelling police thing, and that didn't work out too well. Good decision to find something more controversial, as it will build up your cred much more quickly. One question, does it burn you up every time you write your address?

Posted by: BigE44 | May 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Moodlymoodlymoo's new handle should not be "sacred cow" then?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

chia, I have the inexplicable urge to graze you.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

but would rather talk football, *if* someone can come up with a better topic than Davis versus Cooley.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 3:13 PM

k, topics, topics...uhhhh...

perspectives on how the other teams in our division have improved/declined so far this offseason...

how the 'Skins match up/potential record against the AFC South and NFC Central...

the ever-popular free safety discussion...

all right peeps, GO!

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

does it burn you up every time you write your address?

Posted by: BigE44 | May 2, 2010 3:17 PM

Nice. Beeping out loud!

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

god freaks, get a life

Posted by: BMACattack | May 2, 2010 3:01 PM
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LMAO! Sorry, couldn't control my restraint on this one.

BTW.. never said I was atheist. I do, however, worship at the alter of sound logic.. not blind, visceral, irrational faith.

Good day once again...

Posted by: iubiquity | May 2, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Please keep you slabbery trough lips and nasty cow teef and stinky bovine breaf away from my quaff of poofy green sprouts, moodlymoodlymoo.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Danny Rouhier is dead?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"but if you're that open-minded, you shouldn't have a problem if someone worships at the altar of Satan."

I had to wonder watching Satana's voudou touchdown dances last year, complete with buried mojos..All them U dudes are down there in Santeria Miami...The jou-jou wasn't workin' so good, as few times as you dudes got in the endzone...CAN I GET AN AMEN???!!

Posted by: frak | May 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I am Adam. Prince of Eternia and keeper of the secrets of Castle Greyskull. This is Cringer... my fearless friend. Fabulous secret powers were revealed to me the day I held aloft my magic sword and said... By the power of Greyskull!

Posted by: AnthonyMix | May 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

is it wrong to be bugged that we gotta sit through "God Bless America" every seventh-inning stretch?

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

oh sh*t, He-Man was sooooooo gay haha.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

does it burn you up every time you write your address?

Posted by: BigE44 | May 2, 2010 3:17 PM

Or everytime the President of the United States concludes a speech?

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I also heard a rumor he has recently moved to England and has redirected his ire at the Redskins as a dedicated football hooligan living out of a rented basement flat in Brixton Springs.

He takes the train to Brussels on the week-end to stir up transAtlantic shiz.

We will see him streak across mid field in South Africa in a fit of uncontrolled rage.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"What's gonna happen when religious people figure out their God doesn't exist?"


They are going to do about eleven things they'd denied themselves:

1. They'll make an idol and worship it.

2. They'll work all day Sunday.

3. They'll treat their parents like sh!t.

4. They'll steal.

5. They'll lie.

6. They'll kill.

7. They'll commit adultery.

8. They'll covet their neighbor's wife's azz.

9. They'll bear false witness.

10.They'll find a new God to place before the one they used to have.

11. Finally, they'll love their neighbor while her husband is off on a business trip.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The oil "spill" in the Gulf is depressing.

Not so much a spill, but more like a unrelenting gush.

Despoil baby, despoil...

and keep on despoiling.

F Obama and F BP and F Ken Salazar and F Janet Napolitano and F my F350 turbostroke diesel.

and F Janet Reno.

and also Janet from Three's Company.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who works Sunday or Saturday or anytime after 5pm on weekdays should be paid double time.

Bring back the Unions.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

*turbo-joke diesel*

there, fixed it for ya.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

chia_pet

"...and F Janet Reno."


F Janet Reno?

Bro', she has Parkinson's, which means she shakes a lot, which means to hit it, you'd have to get her to be still for a moment.

And then there's that whole ugly issue....

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Also please bring back the days of expensive electronics and cheap food.

Now way a flat screen should cost less than a rump roast, or some nice organic vegetables.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

No not now.

My bad.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Faith responsibly and stay thirsty for knowledge, my friends.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Faith responsibly and stay thirsty for knowledge, my friends.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

As far as the F Reno comment I posted above, Moe.

When someone up here says F this or F that, it's a manner of speech only, not to be taken literally.

Having said that, F'ing Janet Reno would be unpalatable - not sure I could do that, under any circumstances.

but you never know.

I've dated girls a lot worse than her.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually... I wouldn't call them "dates" persay.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Faith responsibly and stay thirsty for knowledge, my friends.

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 2, 2010 3:57 PM

indeed. co-sign.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Napalatino picture:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mkuywmXBYaE/SgxjQf2yr5I/AAAAAAAAAX8/P11hs_gx0fg/s400/Janet-Napolitano.jpg

Reassuring to know she can fire a shotgun...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Terrapin...nice attempt to divert the conversation. I'll go with that.

I'm not too concerned with Dallas. The Dez Bryant pick didn't impress me much. 3rd place in the division.

New York seems like they are rebuilding, but made some nice D picks in this draft. Hope we build some effective speed plays into our répetoire to handle them. They could make a surprising comeback this year. 2nd place in the division.

Philly is the big mystery with Kolb taking over. My prediction is that the 2.5 game starting experience that Philly used to determine that they were ready to jetison DM will not be enough for Kolb. Look for them to have some transitional problems this year. 4th place in the division.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Also please bring back the days of expensive electronics and cheap food."

And of course, let's ban low slung jeans for chicks that ain't got no azz.

There's nothing sadder than the chubby sight of a tatooed tube of back belly flab sitting atop some chick's slumped butt cheeks.

The saddest I've seen is some chick whose low back tatoo read, "I'm patriotic."

"Stick your flag pole here."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Having said that, F'ing Janet Reno would be unpalatable - not sure I could do that, under any circumstances.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 3:59 PM

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She cleans up nicely.

I would totally hit it looking like this:

http://www.freakingnews.com/Miss-Janet-Reno-Pictures-5475.asp

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

And of course, let's ban low slung jeans for chicks that ain't got no azz.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:05 PM

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Agreed.

And nothing worse than a skinny chick in low slung jeans with no azz...

and a muffin top.

How is that even possible?

Yet I see it everyday.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Just plugged in, and I did not expect to run into an extended talkback discussion on faith.

Joe Gibbs, you are, for better or for worse, more powerful than you realize.

Posted by: gadlut | May 2, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I've dated girls a lot worse than her.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Haven't we all?

I dated a girl who was so ugly my friends used to call her the names of famous movie dogs.

Whenever she wasn't around they'd jokingly ask, "Moe where's your girlfriend, Lassie?"

I'd shrug in embarassment.

"Oh, I know-- she's out saving a family trapped in a burning house like any other good dog would."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

perspectives on how the other teams in our division have improved/declined so far this offseason...

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 3:23 PM

Terrapin...nice attempt to divert the conversation. I'll go with that.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 4:05 PM


thanks terp and AZ dudes...

as much as I hate to say it, Dallas seems to be the most solid team thus far.

but given the decline of NY and rebuilding in Philly and DC, things are looking more open in NFC east than they have in a while.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

and Moe... do you talk about sex so much because you're in a little bit of a rough patch and aren't getting any?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"And nothing worse than a skinny chick in low slung jeans with no azz..."

There are other situations you could consider:

a. a halter top on a flat-chested chick

b. a nice hair weave on a gorilla-faced, obese baby momma

c. a chick with massive boobs pushed up so far that all you can image is using them for a place to rest your beer while she performs a specific sex act.

Not that you'd want her too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I've dated girls a lot worse than her.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Haven't we all?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:14 PM

Difference between you and Chia_Pet is that he's never dated a girl who wasn't a lot worse than Janet Reno.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 2, 2010 4:05 PM

i think we might have the Gints and Iggles handled (.500 or above).

Dallas is gonna be a problem.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

oh and i hope everyone had a nice 420...i forgot to indulge on time.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

've dated girls a lot worse than her.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Haven't we all?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:14 PM

Difference between you and Chia_Pet is that he's never dated a girl who wasn't a lot worse than Janet Reno.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 2, 2010 4:20 PM

and the difference between me and beep-beep is that he's never dated a girl before.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

oh and i hope everyone had a nice 420...i forgot to indulge on time.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:25 PM

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Not sure what this means.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"...do you talk about sex so much because you're in a little bit of a rough patch and aren't getting any.."

You're damn right!

And in advance of your observation, I complained to mrsmoe last night about our sex life.

She said that as soon as she was do having it, she'd listen to what I have to say.

"But as for right now," she said. "Close the door."

"Unlike you, this guy has money to spent."


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"The only position where one guy is out there is quarterback," offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan said following the team's first minicamp.

>>>> Something tells me that Rex Grossman will be crying himself to sleep tonight.

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

and the difference between me and beep-beep is that he's never dated a girl before.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:26 PM

T_E, L-S, Beep-Beep is a lot of things but she's not a lesbian.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 2, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

oh and i hope everyone had a nice 420...i forgot to indulge on time.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:25 PM

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Not sure what this means.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 2, 2010 4:28 PM

This is where wikipedia and google can help out ... also its "I've dated girls worse than SHE."

Posted by: dcsween | May 2, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

""What's gonna happen when religious people figure out their God doesn't exist?"
They are going to do about eleven things they'd denied themselves:
1. They'll make an idol and worship it.
2. They'll work all day Sunday.
3. They'll treat their parents like sh!t.
4. They'll steal.
5. They'll lie.
6. They'll kill.
7. They'll commit adultery.
8. They'll covet their neighbor's wife's azz.
9. They'll bear false witness.
10.They'll find a new God to place before the one they used to have.
11. Finally, they'll love their neighbor while her husband is off on a business trip.
Posted by: MistaMoe"

Somebody's probably already pointed out that religious people around the world are doing the above every single day of the year, and it doesn't seem to have affected their religious beliefs an iota.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 2, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

the man-love continues to worship the holy trinity of sex, religion, and politics...

was hoping that sports could fit in there somewhere, too.

oh well. have to scram, hot date with the grill tonight.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

HTTR peeps, it's lunchtime. Chia, I'M not sure what it means right now.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think God is fair game and he/she can certainly defend him/herself! So he doesn't need some born-again to start insulting anybody with a few working brain cells.

The point made by Waiter is an interesting one. We can bring the discussion back to football. Some guy catches a TD and thanks God for it. The poor CB is disappointed in his own plea to God! WTF?

The point is, whether you believe in God as a more capable version of your grandpa, or some force that guides the universe, God is not sitting around on Sunday picking and choosing who gets the TD and who gets scored on.

It is this logic that escapes the religious fanatics who reside in Loserville.

Thanks,

A Believer in God

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | May 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Do atheists ever offer logical insight about why God doesn't exist?

Or do they just rely on imperfect human beings acting imperfect as the crux of their argument?

Does one evil pastor driving a Cadillac paid for by giving people prove God doesn't exist?
__________________________________


Interesting. The fact is that God is really such a broad concept or is not given a definitions which include elements that are not easy to disprove (ie "god is everywhere" or "god is what you believe him to be") make verifying or disproving "him" almost impossible; perhaps by design.

So maybe if god exists the best explanation is we can not comprehend him. Our records of him contradict facts we discovered since the inception of most western religions.

Regardless human beings are flawed, but there are those among us that are capable of determining facts surrounding our existence (at least some of them so far). Therefore, as for the existence of God, there is no argument which provides absolutely "his" existence or absence, however if "he" does exist:we've got it wrong, and if he doesn't exist we haven't proven it because we have nothing which has been defined by a single source (with universally recognized "authority" to do so) which would offer us the criteria by which to verify or deny existence...so on it goes.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | May 2, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"It's whatever your personnel is, and you have to adjust that way as a coach"
-Kyle Shanahan

I haven't heard that type of common sense in soooo long. I have to go back to Gibbs 1, really. Thank GOD he's not talking about getting the "right guys in here for his 'proven' system."

I just hope he puts his money where his mouth is. If Kyle is willing to work the extra time to come up with his OWN offense, based upon the unique personnel on this team, we will be dominant. THIS is a winning approach.

You cannot take the 49ers offense with Rice, Montana, Craig, Rathman, and Taylor and think you're going to plug Moss, McNabb, Portis, Sellers, and Thomas into it and get the same results.

Moss should be in the slot. Cooley and Davis on the field together present problems at LB for opposing teams, especially if both can block and we run out of it.

I LOVE this approach. I'm psyched. I just hope it's not lip service. Time will tell.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 2, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I know it's only ca. 30 minutes since the last post...

but maybe an ill-fated thread should die a well-deserved death and ascend to heaven?

or remember visiting here years ago when the number of comments would stretch beyond a thousand before the refresh?

curious if we can top that.

RI hamsters... the burden is on you!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is God!

Posted by: dachderron | May 2, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

moodly, here is how you get the hamsters out:

I love Dan Snyder!

Joe Gibbs Sucks!

Vinny Cerrato is a draft genius!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | May 2, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dachderron | May 2, 2010 6:36 PM

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | May 2, 2010 6:39 PM

guess that's a start... but you're only up to #130 and #131 respectively.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Taylor is cancer free. God is good.

Posted by: anacostia85 | May 2, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse
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Walter, modymoodymoo,I don't believe anacostia85 meant to offend you or others on the board.

Posted by: clark202 | May 2, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

STACY ANDREWS OL SIGN HIM PLEZZZZZZ

Posted by: robertg238 | May 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

STACY ANDREWS OL SIGN HIM PLEZZZZZZ

Posted by: robertg238 | May 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

STACY ANDREWS OL SIGN HIM PLEZZZZZZ

Posted by: robertg238 | May 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

STACY ANDREWS OL SIGN HIM PLEZZZZZZ

Posted by: robertg238 | May 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

STACY ANDREWS OL SIGN HIM PLEZZZZZZ

Posted by: robertg238 | May 2, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Walter, modymoodymoo,I don't believe anacostia85 meant to offend you or others on the board.

Posted by: clark202 | May 2, 2010 7:09 PM

hey clark, nice post. we're on the same page.

no offense taken here. cool with anacostia. heart is in the right place.

regarding other posts... don't like proselytizers in general. how do you feel when (whoever) shows up at your door?

and that's not on anacostia.

can't speak for anyone on either side of the barbed wire fence. having lost a child, I'm sincerely stoked for Taylor and the Gibbs family, as noted earlier.

and I don't care if you worship Kamadhenu or the flying spaghetti monster.

how 'bout those skins?

P.S. robert... keep up the quintuple posts until WaPo cuts you off. we're not at 1000 yet.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not Taylor is cancer-free is irrelevant.

When you die nothing happens; when you live nothing happens.

It's all a zero-sum game in the transference of matter to energy and back.

Signed,
An honest atheist

(Which I am not, but if there are any honest atheists out there, then this is your only rational position)

Posted by: p1funk | May 2, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

This religious debate makes me think of one thing... HOLY @^*%!!! Now we shouldn't look into this topic too closely because our noses might get stuck in "it" if we do do so. (I wrote do do ah ha ha ha)

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 2, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather sign Erin Andrews...

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 2, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I check in from the West Coast and I find a heated and hate filled argument about God. I guess everyone has heard my spiel on it do I'll stay out except to say that no one is perfect, even and especially us Christians. Forgiveness is a trait that everyone could adopt, especially me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 2, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Make akward joke... hope nobody notices as you exit slowly and nervously from heated debate... now run!

Posted by: Burrasta1 | May 2, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BigE44 | May 2, 2010 3:17 PM |

BigE44,
gee, thanks for noticing me....i guess.... you can be assured i don't remember any of your posts.

i can see i really opened a can of worms here. and i think we've enjoyed it a bit. i've got no problem at all being known as the good-spelling atheist.

if you want something else to remember me by, check out last year's pumpkin. mind you, these were dark times with no inkling of cerrato's imminent dismissal.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58171957@N00/4062153917/

clark202,
i'm sure you're right. anacostia85 meant no harm - in fact s/he meant only good, i suspect. it's just that there are plenty of good, god-loving, earnest people whose prayers god apparently ignores. if taylor's recovery has anything to do with god, then what do the 1000s of child cancer deaths annually say about god? you can't have it both ways....

moodlymoodlymoo,
you grilled? fish, pig or chicken, i presume. we just grilled too.... but 'fraid to say it wasn't chicken....it was cow...and it was delicious...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo,
you grilled? fish, pig or chicken, i presume. we just grilled too.... but 'fraid to say it wasn't chicken....it was cow...and it was delicious...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 8:43 PM

Pacific NW wild salmon.

and just between you and me... hope you weren't chowing down on those feed-lot cows.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 2, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe is on the beat....

If Tiger Woods missed the cut, does this mean they'll glue pubic hair around it so the recovering sex addict can find it the next time?

Despite all the bad pub, I fear Dez Bryant will be a great addition to the cowboys' receiving corp.

Jimmy Clausen enters the best quarterback situation out of all the signal callers drafted.

It's been a couple months since he's been signed, and so far, Larry Johnson has yet to be arrested--further proof his skills have declined.

Open letter to David Stern: The chatta on the TNT NBA Basketball show with Charles Barkley is way more entertaining that the games.

And that's a bad sign.

Lost in the hurlyburly of all the redskin offseason changes is news regarding Ladell Betts' recovery from injury.

He is no longer a redskin, but still one of my favorite players.

Halle Berry is a gorgeous woman who can't keep a man.

Queen Latifah is a more popular actress, and she doesn't want a man.

Dennis Dixon will play very well in Big Ben's place.

The economy will improve and no one will blame Obama.

The people in Denver will love Tim Tebow right up until he plays in a game.

Floyd Mayweather beat up Sugar Shane Mosley and no one cares because no one saw him do it because the idiots who run boxing have ostracized the sport to a pay per view ghetto.

Otherwise, Mayweather is the best athlete in all sports until Tiger gets it going again.

'Cuz like most men, when Tiger finds that cut--it's on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo,
'fraid to say i really don't know how the burgers were raised....

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Per Cork's comment re: leaving the religious commentary on the RI board....

My bad. Please disregard my earlier rambling. It just struck a nerve at the time and my filter temporarily broke.

Posted by: DC2AZ99

Happens to the best (and worst) of us. Props for apologizing. That's pretty rare 'round these parts, I'm aorry to say. Ooops, apology for the pun.

Posted by: TheCork | May 2, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

(assuming no more OL signings)

OL starters :

LT-T. Williams
LG-D. Dockery
C-C. Rabach
RG-M. Williams
RT-A. Hicks

backups:

C/G-E. Williams
G/C-E. Cook
T-S. Capers
T-S. Heyer

posted this the other night, trying again. any quibbles? who am i missing? Oldenberg? Lichtensteiger?

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm so disappointed I wasted my day outside in the sunshine when I could have been here arguing about religion. A lost opportunity. Life is short.

Posted by: mack1 | May 2, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

one more good T makes this a pretty deep line when you compare it to last year's.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Oldenberg? Lichtensteiger?

Are we talking about German beers or O linemen?

Posted by: edvar | May 2, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Oldenberg? Lichtensteiger?

Are we talking about German beers or O linemen?

Posted by: edvar | May 2, 2010 10:56 PM

if i was talking about beer, i would be talking about Sam Adams Cherry Wheat. nectar of the gods (whoops, don't want to start that mess again).

just wanna see if anyone's thinking the same as i am, that the draft picks will stick and displace W. Montgomery and C. Rinehart, and that one more surprise T will be signed later this offseason.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

one more good T makes this a pretty deep line when you compare it to last year's.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny, the difference a year can make. Not too shabby, is it? MVP of next year? Our strength and conditioning staff for keeping Oline injuries to a minimum.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | May 2, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Oldenberg and Lichtensteiger were brought from Denver.

they are not to be confused with Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern, from Shakespeare.

GF's gotta use the computer, so discuss amongst yourselves.

HTTR peeps.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern?

...and now the GF is booting you off the computer.

Dude, this is not a good sign.

Posted by: edvar | May 2, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

a little erudition in one's life is key. i am a quasi-literate. thing is, i'm lit right now so i couldn't remember which damn play they were in. i think i quoted Hamlet earlier, too.

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 3, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

"I am glad Taylor is cancer free. God is good."

Posted by: anacostia85

hhhhmmm....i'm glad he's cancer-free too, but what about the other 10,000 or so american kids under 15 who will GET cancer this year? - and the thousands who will DIE from it?

if you say "god is good" and imply that god had anything to do with taylor's cancer "going away", then you've got to blame god for inflicting cancer on him and all those other kids in the first place - or at least you've got to blame him for letting it happen, right? it's just logical. if god gets credit, then he's got to take the blame.... if god were good there would be no cancer.

just keepin' it real.

hey walter in fallschurch,
your comments are true and logical...but...God is good! He is also in complete control of EVERYTHING that happens on this planet..if He is God then nothing that happens in this universe happens without his knowledge...walter what we must remember is God's thoughts and ways are not like ours...there are so many things that happen in this universe that we know nothing about...but God knows when an ant dies...there are reasons for good and bad occurences that a man cannot understand or even explain...that is why there is God...those things that we cannot understand/control...those are the things that belong to God alone...walter you be walter...God will be God yesterday, today and forever...bloggers i know this is a redskins forum and forgive me for straying WAY off what we all support: the Redskins!! but i had to respond to walter's comment...forgive me and now GO SKINS!!!!

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 3, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

As an agnostic, I have to agree, "God is good."

Mainly, because if HE weren't Good, who WOULD be? I mean, regardless of whether or not He exists, one would have to say the idea of God, the Spirit of God, the Meaning of God is Good.

I sometimes think that God IS Good. Not as a matter of attributing "good" or "bad" to something, but as a matter of BEING.

So, the fact that not enough Good exists in this world, by that reasoning, would mean that we are, by definition, lacking Good.

Now, that said, the Bible, Torah, Koran are entirely different arguments, in my opinion.

But, by the same meager opinion, I agree: God is Good.

(Not saying He exists, though, just as it would be difficult to argue that Good exists)

I doubt that is even worth 2 cents.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 3, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm worried Horton cannot change direction. That's gonna make him inadequate at FS.

Having Cooley AND Davis is a "Good" problem to have.

Last year, the Redskins were not "Good."

Jason Campbell is a "Good" guy.

Jim Zorn is a "Good" guy.

I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 3, 2010 3:37 AM | Report abuse

....Otherwise, Mayweather is the best athlete in all sports until Tiger gets it going again...

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 2, 2010 8:52 PM

Loved your post, but one minor correction: golf is not a sport, it's a game where you get to walk around a bit.

Tiger's athlethism can't be defined by golf anymore than your potbellied homeboy can be defined as athletic for bowling perfect games.

Tiger's most athletic moves probably came when he was trying to escape from Elin, not on a golf course...


There are sports, and there are games.

Golf is a game,

Posted by: Alan4 | May 3, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

As a man of science and of faith (I am getting my bachelors in physics in a couple of months), I can say the evidence is there if you just look. There's some problems with whoever put out the logic that "As a man of science, yes I have looked at the universe and unequivocally thought there was no intelligent design behind it. I can think of the trillion to one odds behind the chance of intelligent life, then look at the infinite number of other times intelligent life could have spawned, but did not." If this is the case, ie, that a singular event infinitesmal in nature (temporally speaking) is run as a probability over time, the immediate result is the occurence of that event. What I mean is you are running the probability an infinite number of times in any given time span, no matter how small the probability is, it will occur. So, using your logic, the chance of anything happening (spontaneous combustion for example) is the certainity that it would immediately. My bottom line is you have to define a time table for the probability and then frame it against the chance of it's occurence in that time period.

As a side note, the trillion to one odds show a very large lack of understanding of the complexity of a living organism (even single celled organisms). To frame it better, it's like pulling (assuming a fair and random machine) a jackpot roughly 300 or 3000 times in a row (I forget which off the top of my head). Or, blindfolding yourself and writing Hamlet with the keys switched around (assuming no knowledge of the placement of ANY of the keys).

Essentially (and I'm not referring to EVERY atheist) I see MOST athetists as lazy and don't bother to do any real research. It's like a detective stumbling on a murder scene and making the pronouncement, "Well, I don't see anybody here holding a murder weapon so therefore, this person shot themselves in the back of the head, it is a suicide." Likewise, the average religious person sees the same crime scene and just points to the nearest person with a gun. Very little research is done by the average person in regards to this cosmically important issue.

Posted by: lostcause017 | May 3, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

my favorite helmet was the one with the spear on it. least favorite is, obviously, the one with the "R" on it.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

OL starters :

LT-T. Williams
LG-D. Dockery
C-C. Rabach
RG-M. Williams
RT-A. Hicks

backups:

C/G-E. Williams
G/C-E. Cook
T-S. Capers
T-S. Heyer

Posted by: terrapin3 | May 2, 2010 9:42 PM

Should promote Edwin to starter and go for the "all Williams" O-line. That move gets us more than half way there!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 3, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Tiger's athlethism can't be defined by golf anymore than your potbellied homeboy can be defined as athletic for bowling perfect games.

Golf is a game,

Posted by: Alan4 | May 3, 2010 6:05 AM

Come on, be a sport, Alan. Where you get off hating on athletes with pot bellies? Is a pot-bellied DT like Haynesworth undeserving of recognition as NFL's defensive player of the year?

I'm betting that you dismiss darts as a game, not a sport. And what would you think of an athlete who threw a perfect score in darts?

"A nine dart finish is the ultimate checkout in the game of darts, constituting a perfect game. It is notoriously difficult to achieve, even by the game's top professionals. It is considered to be the highest single-game achievement in the sport, similar to a maximum 147 break in snooker, a 300-point game in bowling, a perfect game in baseball, a golden set in tennis or batting six sixes in an over in cricket."

Posted by: beep-beep | May 3, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

he didn't hit a woman....he didn't get pinched for a dui....he didn't get caught with anything he was going to snort, smoke, or otherwise.....he overslept....

I think its high comedy that somehow, for some reason, that can't be left in the past...overslept...thats it...didn't kill anyone, just overslept...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 3, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

"God is Good."

Well, he might be.

But the Devil is ultimately more interesting.

The list of history's great going to hell beats that of the holy types who'll be sanctified company for eternity.

That's why Moe choses to go to the Great Down Under: they'll be more fun people there.

I'll see Adolf or Pol Pot or Bin Laden and ask, "Bro', just what were you thinkin'?"

"Genocide? Mass murder?: dudes, y'all should've slept in more and had an occasional beer."

Didja you ever notice that no one flies a plane into a skyscraper hoping to please Satan?

No rampage gunner shoots up a mall and then proclaims Lucifer's voice was in his head the whole time.

In fact, Christopher Hitchens has an interesting book whose thesis is that religious fanatics operating under the aegis of God's assumed authority have wrecked more havoc than any Satan worshipper.

Only Flip Wilson's drag queen Geraldine spoke correctly about what we should say in the face of great Evil or wrong:

"The Devil made me do it," she'd say.

"But, honey, God likes to take the credit."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 3, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation." -- Herbert Spencer

I agree with Lost Cause. To definitively say there is no God without seeking in earnest (like a good scientist would do) is pure arrogance. Ask yourself this: Who are YOU to say such a thing?

Posted by: shanks1 | May 3, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep
Lets be fair now in baseball there are a few rarer achievement than the perfect game (18 all time). The double grand slam (13 all time and 1 was by a pitcher), the unassisted triple play (15 all time).

Posted by: alex35332 | May 3, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

alan4

"Tiger's most athletic moves probably came when he was trying to escape from Elin, not on a golf course... "


And he wrecked his SUV while doing that.

So maybe he's not a great athlete.

But I'd take his skill over Kobe's athleticism in a heartbeat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 3, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

didn't kill anyone, just overslept...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 3, 2010 8:41 AM

Yeah, Greg, but he overslept for an early morning football practice. We could let it go if is was something minor like, say, a court appearance, his mother's funeral, his best friend's wedding, or a charity golf event. But, Greg, it weren't none of them. It was football practice. No excuse. The guy's still not ready for the NFL.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 3, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I think its high comedy that somehow, for some reason, that can't be left in the past...overslept...thats it...didn't kill anyone, just overslept...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Told my boss this exact same thing a few days ago.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 3, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

i don't like it when they wear the white pants with the white jerseys, or when they wear the burgundy pants with the burgundy jerseys.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

red, if he brings it up 2 years from now, hopefully you'll tell him how pathetic that is...

beepbeep, channelling your inner corky with that post....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 3, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

red, if he brings it up 2 years from now, hopefully you'll tell him how pathetic that is...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 3, 2010 9:07 AM

red will be lucky to still be working there two years from now after oversleeping. Unless, of course, it's a government agency or the Redskins.

Posted by: beep-beep | May 3, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Just flog Fred Davis a few times like they did that American citizen in Singapore a few years back.

I bet he'll never sleep in again.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

beeps... at long last!

be sure to thank your higher power.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | May 3, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 3, 2010 8:43 AM

Moe - it's been worth following this whole ridiculous debate just to get your two cents on it.

Keep posting bro.

This thread is even more unresolvable than Dem's vs Repub's. Sort of like watching a sh!t fight in the monkey cage...

Posted by: edvar | May 3, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

if you say "god is good" and imply that god had anything to do with taylor's cancer "going away", then you've got to blame god for inflicting cancer on him and all those other kids in the first place - or at least you've got to blame him for letting it happen, right? it's just logical. if god gets credit, then he's got to take the blame.... if god were good there would be no cancer.

just keepin' it real.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 2, 2010 11:01 AM


Who is "god"? Only an atheist will use a small "g" when referring to God. Or, maybe, you are an idol worshiper. It is obvious you don't believe in God; somehow, someday, God will make a believer out of you.

Posted by: abxinc | May 3, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"Posted by: lostcause017 | May 3, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: shanks1 | May 3, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse"

You two are preaching to the choir. I understand that it's difficult to give merit where merit is due regarding this issue, and it's easy enough to simply proclaim that most atheists are lazy (and therefore, the chance of discussing the merits of atheism on a blog with an "informed" unknown individual is highly unlikely) but I can assure you that I am not one that can be identified as such.

Born, baptized, and raised Catholic here; went to church school, went to Catholic school. Come from a long line of devoted Christian's, Puerto Rican Catholics on one side of the family, Armenian orthodox Christians on the other side -- both highly culturally dependent on faith. I did NOT begin my personal experience with faith and spirituality with a preconceived notion of contempt, as shanks1 so aptly attempted to attribute to atheists.

My thrown-out figures earlier regarding the probability of spawned life were mere metaphorical projections based on the statements proclaimed by others earlier on the blog. The "infinite" number of times I claimed life could have spawned but did not was not meant as a literal figure, despite lostcause's attempted explanation, but merely as a figure that is too high for any person to logically comprehend. As is the trillion:one odds proclaimed by the probability of life spawning; it's merely a figure that is beyond imagination for any person to conceive as possible for a singular event.

I respect an individual's choice to be both a man of science and faith; I have no problems with that. It doesn't work for me, but maybe that's just my own rub. Personally, I have not seen any tangible nor logical evidence to contradict my point of view (if you can provide some examples, lostcause, simply by 'looking' -- i'm all ears) but that's just me. Most patrons of faith I have come into contact with simply provide me with the same insight lostcause provided ('it's there if you look') without giving anything else, to which I find as the ultimate form of laziness. But I suppose such is the nature of faith.

Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that religion and faith are a product of 2 main factors: (1) to provide a sense of explanation for what is currently inexplicable, and (2) to provide a common set of morals and ethics that should be exhibited by any civilized society. Beyond that, it extends to a desire for power and control that has been abused beyond any degree that any other institution ever created by humans has pushed (this is for religion only, not faith).

Unlike others, I actually enjoy hearing and reading the perspective of others regarding this issue, because I come with nothing but an open mind with regards to this (which is how I turned from spiritual and faithful to atheistic in the first place).

Posted by: psps23 | May 3, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

ok, now that there's a new thread, i feel like i can reply to two of the substantive replies to my god comment:

ronniecope10,
thanks for your thoughtful response. you said,
"...God's thoughts and ways are not like ours...there are so many things that happen in this universe that we know nothing about...but God knows when an ant dies...there are reasons for good and bad occurences that a man cannot understand or even explain.."

ah, yes...the "god works in mysterious ways" appeal. god inflicts children with cancer and starvation and countless painful diseases for some good reason that we are not capable of discerning.... you know this because god is good by definition, so anything he does must be good. well, ok, that's an opinion, but i don't buy it. a god who does that to children is not worthy of worship.

lostcause017, you said,
"As a side note, the trillion to one odds show a very large lack of understanding of the complexity of a living organism (even single celled organisms). To frame it better, it's like pulling (assuming a fair and random machine) a jackpot roughly 300 or 3000 times in a row (I forget which off the top of my head). Or, blindfolding yourself and writing Hamlet with the keys switched around (assuming no knowledge of the placement of ANY of the keys)."

being a "scientific type", you surely must know the logical problems with assigning any mathematical probability to something like the existence of a cell.

what variables do you use? what is the probability of any one step happening? we don't know. it's a bit like the "drake equation" for finding other life in the universe. sure, we can estimate the number of stars and planets (and even those are just estimates) but how do we know what % of "perfect" planets have life. it's just silly to calculate odds without knowledge of the probabilities of all the variables.

another point to consider is that things with small odds DO happen all the time. for instance the odds of being dealt any particular bridge hand is 1 in 53,644,737,765,488,792,839,237,440,000, but it happens every day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge_probabilities

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Who is this God... And why do people fear him?"

-Janitor'd

Posted by: Scoonie97 | May 3, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

re lazy atheists:
i have to say, unsurprisingly, i agree with psps23. i think most atheists arrive at atheism after a long hard road of thought and soul-searching (so to speak...). it does not come easily. in our society theism is the "default" position. most atheists in america were raised in a theist household.

abxinc, you said,
"Only an atheist will use a small "g" when referring to God. Or, maybe, you are an idol worshiper...."

hahaha hahahahahah hahahahahahha. oh my goodness, thanks for that!

i'm atheist, but am curious. which is worse: atheist or idol-worshiper? (you understand that "idol-worshipers" are JUST AS SURE AS YOU ARE about their god as you are about your god, right? they have EXACTLY the same kinds of "evidence" and so forth as you do.)

it slays me how astute theists are at seeing the "wrongness" of other people's (different) religions. for example, any chistian can point out the myriad fallacies in islam, and any muslim and do the same for christianity. everyone can see how silly the book of mormon is - except mormons... or maybe to reference something we can all agree on, i think: aren't the ancient greeks silly for having gods like apollo and zeus?

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter."

THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823

http://www.notable-quotes.com/j/jefferson_thomas_v.html

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

psps23, you said,
"I stand firm in my belief that religion and faith are a product of 2 main factors: (1) to provide a sense of explanation for what is currently inexplicable, and (2) to provide a common set of morals and ethics that should be exhibited by any civilized society."

i totally agree.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You know what... Cancer inflicts many each year, young or old but it tears me up on when young children get sick or terminally ill. I wish Joe Gibbs and his family best wishes.... I just hope that he has a chance to bring that foundation and fund raising here to DC :)

Posted by: rvanags | May 3, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Religion, the greatest scam ever devised. Pay me and I will insure your salvation, don't pay me and you end up in the hot place. What a pitch! One time Pat Kelly a born again who played for Earl Weaver hit a double to win a game. When he got back to the dugout, he said to Weaver "See Skip, I told you God was on our side." Weaver replied, "Well what did God have against the poor SOB who hung a curve ball to you?"

Posted by: chopin224 | May 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Fred Davis is an athletic freak with WR speed. He is the future at tight end. Trade Cooley now whil he still has value and can fetch high value draft picks.

Posted by: sjp879 | May 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

How can Davis put the "over sleeping" incident behind him if the press and media always have to remind everyone that it happened?

Also has not everyone over slept for work or something else before?

C'mon let that go stop reporting it.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 2, 2010 11:22 AM


Amen to that. People and the press in particular are so judgemental. These reporters should look in the mirror sometimes. The timing of him doing it was poor. But it was one time. If it was over and over again then that would be an issue. He showed last season to be one of the few bright spots for this team. Lets start talking about all he did without always adding the fact that he overslept once in his life.

Posted by: hailtotheskinsalways | May 3, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The coach said that they'll be flexible and play two tight ends if they're the best receivers, and the reporter writes a headline suggesting that Cooley and Davis are in a fierce competition with each other for one spot. Hmmm.

Posted by: OintheSierras | May 3, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Can Shanahan use Davis as a WR?

Just the reverse as Cooley himself once said. He doesn't have the requisite body strength for blocking on the line. Davis does. Davis is a strong run blocker.

Who do you think Shanahan puts on the line at tight end?

Posted by: periculum | May 3, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Yeah agree with edvar, mistamoe hilarious as always ... geraldine ... lol. You devil worshipping heathen ... the ayotollah's in Iran just put a bounty on your head. lol.

Posted by: periculum | May 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah its tough to see kids going through what almost amounts to medieval medical treatments ... my oncology fellows used to dread tours of the pediatric ward. Survivors' guilt ...

Posted by: periculum | May 3, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey walter-in-fallschurch,

I appreciate you standing up for the rest of us and keeping it real.

Posted by: bentoenail | May 3, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

bentoenail,
well, gee thanks. it was my pleasure. i guess i shouldn't have been surprised at how people jumped all over me - i understand, despite his cruelty, god's pretty popular 'round these parts... ;-)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 3, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It is said that most atheist are atheist because they want to continue in they're sinful ways or because something traumatic happened to them that they blame God for...it is not the job of a believer in God to prove that God exist...it is the atheist who states that he does not exist (and by the way...he is in the minority) so the BURDEN (and they know that it is a BURDEN)is on the atheist to prove God does not exist. God presides...the atheist rages against God because he believes he could do it better than God...man can shake his fist at God but he still has to face his own mortality no matter how much he debates/contends...then he will have his chance to confront...to present his case.

Atheist prepare to well...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 4, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
thanks for the reply.

you said,
"It is said that most atheist are atheist because they want to continue in they're sinful ways..."

ha! who says that?! theists? it's baloney. there is absolutely no evidence that theists are less sinful (by any rational measure) than atheists. i mean if you count exclusively religious sins like "having other (or no) gods" or having "idols" or ignoring the "sabbath", or sacrificing something improperly, i suppose it's true. but if by "sinful ways" you mean lying, raping, stealing, adultering(sp?), murdering, well there's just no evidence of that. oh sure, it's a common claim made by theists, but as usual, it's made w/o evidence.

you continued,
"[It is said that most atheist are atheist...] because something traumatic happened to them that they blame God for.."

again, ha! hardly. in fact i'd say this might go the other way: how many times do we hear something like, "oh, i was at the end of my rope and god came to me" or some such "testimony"? i'd say those moments of desperation are the worst possible moment for a person to make a rational decision about anything....

as far as the "burden of proof", any logician will tell you the burden of proof lies with the one making a "positive" (i.e. "there is") claim. i (and scientists) just see no evidence for god in the world. oh, sure, science has not "disproved" god - there's no way to disprove a negative - like there's no way to disprove unicorns. on the other hand, god (at least the version described in judeochrislamic texts) could EASILY make himself known to us. why is he being so gosh darned subtle?

the evidence we do have does not rule out all gods. there could concievably be a god, but IF you suppose a god and IF you suppose he's all good, then you CANNOT (logically) suppose he's omnipotent. on the other hand, if you cling to the idea of omnipotence, then he CANNOT be all good. i mean seriously, what's good about childhood cancer, plane crashes, starvation and the dallas cowboys?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 4, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
above psps23 said,
"Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that religion and faith are a product of 2 main factors: (1) to provide a sense of explanation for what is currently inexplicable, and (2) to provide a common set of morals and ethics that should be exhibited by any civilized society...."

and i said i agreed with that.

but then you said,
"...man can shake his fist at God but he still has to face his own mortality..."

and reminded me of what i think faith and religion are. yes, probably originally they were attempts to explain the world around us. since the advent of modern science we no longer need religion to explain thunderstorms, seasons, diseases and so on.

nowadays religion, especially judeochrislam, is a soul survival strategy - a way to cheat death. we love living so much we don't ever want to die, so we've invented heaven (largely in the image of earth!)

i look forward to your responses, if you're interested.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 4, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

You see players praying all the time in sports, Gibbs is known as a man who believes strongly in god, so the comment "God is good" was not out of place. If you don't believe in god fine, but really why open that can of worms?

Posted by: DDunnuck | May 4, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Walter,

I am not a learned man, I do not have a degree and most of the bloggers on here could "drink" me under the table when it comes to an intelligent debate (about most things-exept maybe the skins)! The one thing that no man on this planet will ever take from me is my belief that there is a all good, all knowing, omnipresent God...the God that I know and trust is from the Holy Bible (Old and New Testament)! There are things that Christians debate and even fall out over but the one thing that ALL Christian believe is that there is a God. Walter you seem like an intelligent human being, someone who thinks for himself...my challenge to you and to everyone who beliefs there is no God is to do the research for yourself! If after you make a CONCISE/COMPLETE study of Christianity and you still feel the same way then I say God bless...I believe that in these tumultous times in this world (and don't place all the bad things that happen in this world on God-man has done wrong and evil and deserves punishment/accountability for his actions) it is amazing to me how men and women get through one hour without God...do the research, invest the time and God will make himself known to you, challenge God to manifest Himself to you in a way that YOU can know that He is real...what do you have to lose?

Everything...

p.s. How can you state "we love living so much" then say that there is no God because there is so much disease and evil in the world (who loves living so much under those conditions)?...I am no longer afraid of death not only because heaven awaits but because God awaits...Death is just a transition into eternity for a believer in God (and for the atheist too)...God bless

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 5, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
thanks for the reply, again. you said,

"..my challenge to you and to everyone who beliefs there is no God is to do the research for yourself!"

i have been to church many many times. i used to believe - but then i read the bible... i find it amazing that people believe that book over any other ancient scripture. what makes you think THAT'S the right one?

you said,
"I believe that in these tumultous times..."

ha! that's great! people always think they live in tumultuous times! just like people always think jesus was referring to THEM in mark13 (and similarly in matt24 and luke21) when talking about "wars and earthquakes and famines". not really much of a prediction, is it? those things happen all the time. besides, in those verses jesus was promising those people STANDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM that he'd be back for them.... but alas, every generation since has thought he meant their generation...

you said,
"...don't place all the bad things that happen in this world on God..."

well, no, I don't do that. but you should - if you think he's omnipotent, well, then you've got to give him credit and blame...it's just logical.

you said,
"challenge God to manifest Himself to you in a way that YOU can know that He is real."

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 5, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
continuing,

you asked,
"How can you state "we love living so much" then say that there is no God because there is so much disease and evil in the world (who loves living so much under those conditions)?"

well, i'm not personally living under those conditions - but clearly they do exist. i'm just saying you can't look at the world around you and think it's the product of a PERFECT, ALL-GOOD, BENEVOLENT mind. only world-class acrobatic apologetics could rationalize cancer, starvation etc... into evidence for an ALL GOOD god. if you say these are the product of adam's sin or something, well...that's not fair. that system can't be the product of a "good" god. any kindergartener can tell you you can't "visit the iniquities" on subsequent generations.

having said all that, i think life's pretty great. and, as an atheist, i believe it's all i've got.

you said,
"I am no longer afraid of death not only because heaven awaits but because God awaits..."

well, good for you, i suppose. i daresay that's the main reason judeochrislam (judaism, christianity, islam are really different sects of one religion) is so popular - the promise of heaven....

unfortunately, it's this very same belief that lets people do horrible things (like fly planes into buildings) in the name of god. there was a great "the onion" issue soon after 9-11 that purported to be an interview with muhammad atta in hell. he was "shocked" to find himself in hell - he thought he was doing god's work....and would be rewarded with heaven (eternal virgins, milk and honey and so forth....)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hijackers-surprised-to-find-selves-in-hell,1445/

furthermore, since i don't believe in an afterlife, i consider my short time here on earth MORE PRECIOUS than someone who thinks life is just a step, maybe like an audition, on the way to heaven.

;-)

replies, comments?

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 5, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
oh, i forgot to make this point in response to your asking,
"How can you...say that there is no God because there is so much disease and evil in the world."

the "evil" etc... in the world is not why i don't believe in god. i mean, who knows? theoretically, god could be a mean SOB, right? certainly the greeks/romans and many many many others have imagined less-than-perfect gods.

the reason i don't believe in god(s) is there is no scientific evidence for god, that's all.

HTTR! (surely we agree on that!)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 5, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Walter,

You presented a lot of info and to answer it all would take a scholar of the bible much more learned than I...what I can say (and will continue to believe)is that this entire creation belongs to God and He is running it the way He see fit...not the way I think it should be governed and not the way Walter thinks it should be governed...the Holy Bible is God's word to us on how we should navigate this world and it introduces us to Him (more intimately). The Holy Bible also tells us how to respond to the things that occur in this world (good and bad)...Walter God speaks to us all daily...when you wake in the morning that is God...when there is a wonderful bright sunny day that is God...when you go to the doctor for your routine checkup and he says you're in great shape that is God...and yes when all those good things happen in your life-in someonelse's life there is pain, hurt even death...that does not discount God or means he is not good...God knows what His children can handle and He is fair and just (He is right there with those who hurt)...I also do not believe God has any "mean" aspects within Him, He is a perfect God Walter and he is worthy of our total belief, trust and love...if you have children and they misbehave you correct them so that they do not become bigger burdens to themselves and/or society...you "feel" as though you are doing whats best for them even though that correction may seem harsh (even cruel) to your kids/others...you administer correction with love and your children may be upset at the time but they come to you later and they might apologize or just give you a hug because they know that you love them and that they were wrong...you are imperfect but you correct (to the best of your ability) and your children understand...they don't say dad is evil...and they definitely don't say dad does not exist! When God corrects or does something that His creation cannot understand then man says God is evil or He does not exist...to hold God to a standard set by imperfect man and expect Him to rule by that standard would would have God be ruled by man-this will never happen! God will do this His way and I guarantee that in the end every man woman and child will understand everything that they have issues with today...no matter how much we want God to do what we think God should do God is doing what He planned when He brought all this together way before you and I...and looking at man and how we are doing right now I'm glad God has the final act! God bless you Walter...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 6, 2010 3:53 AM | Report abuse

p.s.

HTTR!!

yes sir we do agree on that!

...it will take an act of God to get us to the Superbowl this year!!! :-)

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 6, 2010 3:56 AM | Report abuse

by the way Walter...it is easier to believe in God than to believe in the "scientific" explanation for the existence of this world! there explanation has many holes in it and they are revising it almost daily...darwin's theory of evolution has been debunked by the scientific communoity and to base your beliefs on the deciphering of imperfect man is like going to Vegas and betting your life savings on slot machines!! sure there is a chance you may hit the jackpot but who wants to take that chance with there lifes savings!! same goes for man (the creation) trying to disprove God (the creator) it does not compute on any level...

Posted by: ronniecope106 | May 6, 2010 4:34 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
thanks for the reply.

let's look a bit closer at your comparison of god to a dad:

suppose a dad killed his 1 month old baby for pooping in his diapers. that's like "god" killing a child with cancer. surely the child has done nothing to deserve the cancer.

you said,
"...and they [kids] definitely don't say dad does not exist!

well, no....because they can see, smell, touch, hear (and i suppose taste, if they had a mind to) dad - not so for god.

in you earlier post you said,
"...do the research, invest the time and God will make himself known to you, challenge God to manifest Himself to you in a way that YOU can know that He is real."

oh, boy, have i ever done this! like i said, i've read the ENTIRE bible at least twice and many parts many times more than that. my family (and i) has been going to church ever since my daughter was about 5 yrs old (she's 12 now). i have had many long talks with the pastor about this stuff.

and my main point here is that IF ONLY god would "manifest Himself to you in a way that YOU can know that He is real." but so far...nothing. if jesus would appear at the end of my bed and say, "hey walter, dude, i'm real, see? touch me" - i'd be shouting his praises from the rooftops. but, again, so far...nothing. call me "doubting walter"...

you said,
"darwin's theory of evolution has been debunked by the scientific communoity "

do you really believe this?!?! when i hear this it makes me want to laugh and cry. it's one thing to say scientists are wrong, but it's another to say scientists have "debunked" the theory of evolution.

there are NO scientific papers or research or anything scientific disproving evolution. (if you think there are, please refer me to what you're talking about.) are you referring to the (religiously-motivated) discovery institute's "list of scientists who dissent from the theory of evolution"?

i suppose it seems like an impressive list: they have about 1000 signatures on this list. so, you could say, "wow, there are a 1000 scientists who signed this list who dissent from the theory of evolution."

ok, so "regular" scientists saw this list and thought they should make a list of their own. they knew there were WAY too many scientists to get every evolution-believing scientist to sign, so they made a rule: you can only sign if you have a PhD in a related field, AND if your name is "steve". it's so funny! they now have more scientists name "steve" than are on the discovery institute's list! hahahahah.
http://ncse.com/taking-action/project-steve

;-)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 6, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

ronniecope106,
about these lists: obviously, these lists don't prove anything about the substance of evolutionary theory - except that WAY WAY more scientists "believe in" evolution than don't. another thing to consider about these lists is that EVERYONE on the discovery institute list is religious, whereas the "list of steves" has both theists and atheists. my point is that there are many many many people who believe in god AND evolution. they are not mutually exclusive beliefs.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | May 6, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

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