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Kyle Shanahan is 'real concerned' with Redskins' production on offense

Redskins offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan is trying to get things fixed, and there is a lot that needs work.

Washington has converted only six of 33 third-down attempts and ranks last in the NFL at 18.2 percent. The Redskins also are struggling in red-zone offense.

In nine possessions inside opponents' 20-yard line, the Redskins have scored only 29 points. Their two touchdowns in those nine possessions is an average of 22.2 percent -
tied with the Pittsburgh Steelers at the bottom of the NFL.

The Redskins need to improve their timing on offense, Shanahan said.

"I'm real concerned," he said. "We have to get a lot better at it. I think we really struggled with that against Dallas. I think it did get a lot better versus Houston and then I felt like we took a step back last week [against St. Louis].

"Whenever you're pushed and struggling to get out of the huddle and struggling to get to the line of scrimmage, I think it makes everyone a little more panicked and struggles with assignment."

The red-zone struggles are especially frustrating, Shanahan said.

"We haven't scored touchdowns," he said. "We haven't got it done down there. We definitely have to get better. It's always harder when you get to the red zone, the field gets smaller and the holes aren't as big. We haven't been good in that area but we definitely need to get better."

By Jason Reid  | October 3, 2010; 12:00 PM ET
Categories:  Kyle Shanahan  
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"We haven't scored touchdowns," he said. "We haven't got it done down there. We definitely have to get better. It's always harder when you get to the red zone, the field gets smaller and the holes aren't as big. We haven't been good in that area but we definitely need to get better."

By Jason Reid | October 3, 2010; 12:00 PM ET

Reid is such a gifted reporter that he knows how to get a coach off the canned, scripted response. He's obviously gotten Kyle Shanahan to speak what's really on his mind with this insightful and thought-provoking quote.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 3, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Dear Kyle,

Don't blame yourself. You donthave the tools. The backfield is a recovering fading RB names Portis and nobody else.

Your WRs are the dangerous Santana Moss and nobody else.

Your TE's are good but it's hardly enough.

The Oline is currently an undrafted free agent (Heyer) a 290 pound second year players, an undersized center, an RG who never was a starter before and a decent, yet not great ORT. And they haven't developed cohesivenes.

Add to that a QB on the gown slops of an extraordinary career without the receiving weapons, the running game, or the time he's been used to, and aye, there's the problem.

Posted by: TheCork | October 3, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Observations:

quote:

In nine possessions inside opponents' 20-yard line, the Redskins have scored only 29 points.

Perhaps actually throwing the ball into the end zone will help.

We don't do enbough of that.

Washington has converted only six of 33 third-down attempts and ranks last in the NFL at 18.2 percent.

Perhaps a ball control passing attack on 1st down creates more 2nd and 4/6, and then 3rd and shorts which are easier to convert.

This means you give up the occasional missed deep bomb with the idea of using the short pass on 1st down like it was a running play.

This keeps the opponents' offense off the field, too.

And that's something we all would like to see our offense do more of--support the defense by controlling the clock.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | October 3, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I want to look at this positively.. because if we win we are gonna be in first place in the division.. but I just don't see us having a chance with our defense. Vick is going to pick apart the secondary...and the season will probably be over once we lose... 1-3 with an extremely tough schedule coming up. that's what happens when you lose to the rams!! as happy as i would be if McNabb could stick it to the eagles, we just aren't good enough as a team to beat the eagles. But I think McNabb has a good day though, but probably not enough.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 3, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Have'nt had my coffee yet, which is why I asserted McNabb was on the "gown slops" Oy,

Posted by: TheCork | October 3, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Observations:

quote:

In nine possessions inside opponents' 20-yard line, the Redskins have scored only 29 points.

Perhaps actually throwing the ball into the end zone will help.

We don't do enbough of that.

Washington has converted only six of 33 third-down attempts and ranks last in the NFL at 18.2 percent.

Perhaps a ball control passing attack on 1st down creates more 2nd and 4/6, and then 3rd and shorts which are easier to convert.

This means you give up the occasional missed deep bomb with the idea of using the short pass on 1st down like it was a running play.

This keeps the opponents' offense off the field, too.

And that's something we all would like to see our offense do more of--support the defense by controlling the clock.

Posted by: gimmesummoe

posted earlier this week, 27 of the 33 3rd downs have been 3rd and 7 yards or more. Vs the Rams, we had 1 play in the 2nd half (prior to the final/meaningless drive down 2 TDs) that went between 4 and 10 yards.

Mike Shanahan has been quoted as saying "Do the little things right and the big things take care of themselves." Totally agree. If we make the more modest plays consistantly , the big plays will be there, too.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 3, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The key to getting through each redskin sunday is to "EXPECT NOTHING". If Shanahan continues to play galloway/williams more than DT; If Shanny fails to start Haynesworth, if shanny continues to refuse to give speedy Banks a chance.....EXPECT NOTHING. I'll be surprised if they win but not surprised if they lose..."EXPECT NOTHING"....I won't bother addressing the defense....

Posted by: kingpenn1 | October 3, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Forecast calls for rain later in Philadelphia- slows Vick down, but guys like Banks may fumble more. All signs point to PULL OUT THE STOPS EARLY AND GET A GOOD LEAD, DEFENSE HUNKERS DOWN LATE..

Posted by: frak | October 3, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

kingpenn

"If Shanahan continues to play galloway/williams more than DT..."

Hold on there, bro'.

Does it matter who plays wr or how they are used?

I'd say use is of more importance than who is being used.

We have older, developing receivers playing younger, faster dbs.

So, possession-type passing plays on 1st and 2nd down that move the chains are of a greater value than the name of the guy catching the ball.

Yeah, DT or AA might catch a few balls and go 3-4 for 100 yards and a touchdown.

But given the issues with our offense, RW, JG, FD, CC are better to have a day of catching 5-6 balls apiece for 200 yards.

We a spread of guys making catches that keep the ball in our hands so we control the clock.

And the name of the guys who do that, really don't matter.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | October 3, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas needs to get in the game.

Thank Allah, James Thrash the practice wonder isn't playing for the Redskins. Since Zornahan thinks practice play is better than game play, James would be our number 1 receiver.

What is it with these former great coaches making comebacks and refusing to play youth? Their stubbornness rivals that of p1funks. Remember when p1funk couldn't be told anything good about Laron Landry? If p1funks were are head coach he would of traded Landry for a 5th round pick and no that is not a joke

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Philly fans already booing McNabb. Hope he can give them a real reason to boo. What a bunch of degenerates.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Philly fans already booing McNabb. Hope he can give them a real reason to boo. What a bunch of degenerates.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Skins 23
Eagles 17

put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 3, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

who cares, it's still 2 - 3 years out

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 3, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Stating the obvious. Bad "D" AND "O". If we don't right the ship we wasted (another) 2nd rounder on a one and done Pro Bowler(Jason Taylor being the other).

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 3, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Forecast calls for rain later in Philadelphia- slows Vick down, but guys like Banks may fumble more. All signs point to PULL OUT THE STOPS EARLY AND GET A GOOD LEAD, DEFENSE HUNKERS DOWN LATE..

Posted by: frak | October 3, 2010 12:51 PM |

If guys like Banks are anything but inactive that is. Hard to fumble from the bench.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"I think it makes everyone a little more panicked and struggles with assignment."

Sounds like Shanny Jr. hasn't had his coffee yet either.

I sometimes feel as if I'm on the gown slops of my career as well.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Division game folks, it'll be ugly, close, and painful. Should be fun.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Forecast calls for rain later in Philadelphia- slows Vick down, but guys like Banks may fumble more. All signs point to PULL OUT THE STOPS EARLY AND GET A GOOD LEAD, DEFENSE HUNKERS DOWN LATE..

Posted by: frak | October 3, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

A wet field slows EVERYBODY down! DUH! And favors the offense/ball carrier. Vick rushes for 150+ and has 3 TD's in a double digit win. Bummer!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 3, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Stating the obvious. Bad "D" AND "O". If we don't right the ship we wasted (another) 2nd rounder on a one and done Pro Bowler(Jason Taylor being the other).

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 3, 2010 1:07 PM

Say hello to the new GM of the Zornskins, Bruce Alleratto, same as the old one Vinny Cerallen. Thats funny

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How come Randle El never made any circus catches like that for us?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Randle-El just made a catch better than any he ever made here. Guh.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 3, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I wondered the same thing.

Posted by: frediefritz | October 3, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts started for the Saints today. 4 carries for 20 yards so far.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they didn't look at the game film as much as they said. A drunk at the bar could have told them. No receivers, but for Santana and Cooley. No #1 running back.Nothing behind him now. No depth at OL. A tweak of the D philosophy would have been better than a wholesale change. Too much ego tripping.

Posted by: ridgely1 | October 3, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Mike Zornahan and all the Albert Haynesworth haters here are the only ones who haven't noticed that the reason Albert isn't getting on the stat sheet is because he is our only defensive linemen who receives double teams.

Can you see it HATERS? Albert is the only linemen who gets double teamed. And that is important for linemen in a 3-4 scheme

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

today the eagles will prove why they are the better franchise.

It's because the Redskins are owned by Dan Snyder. Who trades for a 34 year old past his prime QB for a 2nd and a 4th?

It's no coincidence the EAgles have owned us the past decade

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Redskins early inactives: Trent Williams, Vonnie Holiday, Kevin Barnes, Logan Paulsen, John Beck, Perry Riley, Jeremy Jarmon" @Russelmania09

Posted by: Diesel44 | October 3, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I'd be fine if LL "Lavars" Vick into permanent retirement.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it: the Redskins are a mediocre to bad team. Not horrendous bad. Just mediocre to bad. As in 5-11 or 6-10.

Revisiting the McNabb trade: yes, imagine where'd they be with Campbell? Horrendous. McNabb improves them from horrendous to mediocre/bad and, occasionally, competitive.

The receivers are awful. Moss is Moss. The rest are marginal at best. The line is better than last year but still has holes.

The defensive line is a bunch of journeymen. The linebackers can't play the 3-4 and the secondary is average.

Lots of holes, lots of problem areas and not a lot of picks to fix things. The coaching is better but you can only "coach them up" so far.

This team is a good 2-3 years away from being competitive.

I really think the Eagles are going to just blow the Skins out today. A mismatch.

Posted by: SteveMG | October 3, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

pabrian,

Who are you even talking to? Are you just ranting and raving, pacing your house, and just have to "Get the demons out!" through the magic of the interwebs?

(Don't quit, though - you're pretty entertaining.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 3, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | October 3, 2010 2:04 PM

The people have a right to know the truth

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow Reid copy and paste the press briefing KS gave on Friday? That's amazing! Ought to be called redskins RIP Redskins "Insiders" Plagiarists.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Redskins early inactives: Trent Williams, Vonnie Holiday, Kevin Barnes, Logan Paulsen, John Beck, Perry Riley, Jeremy Jarmon" @Russelmania09

Posted by: Diesel44


Trent not playing really dims our chances..Brandon Graham will CAMP OUT in our backfield with Heyer in there...arrrrgggllglglglhh..must...find...my....Budweiser...

Posted by: frak | October 3, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

TW won't and shouldn't play until he's healthy but not shifting Heyer to RT makes no sense to me.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm not Poopy McPoop, but Philly is Poop!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | October 3, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

With TW out they will have to go with quick passes instead of bombs. Maybe BB and AA will even make a few plays and earn more time. (Hey, a fella can dream.)

I just hope DMac can keep it close and make it a game. I'm guessing a battle, not a blowout.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 3, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Without Trent Williams, the offense will stall because of holding penalties and the run game will be ineffective.

Based on TWill being inactive, McNabb will not have a happy return to Philly.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 3, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Correction. Philly is Poopy!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | October 3, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree, not good having TW inactive. Have to agree with Frak too. Heyer can't play LT. Better of with Brown LT and Heyer RT.
Also agree with Moe on the short, ball control game.

HTTR!! Go Skins, KILL Vick!

Posted by: msrent | October 3, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Great. Heyer gets to a) give up 2 sacks b) tackle his man from behind eradicating a 35 yard catch and run c) blow the snap count twice.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 3, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Trent is out AGAIN? What the hell? We might as well be starting 1st and 20 all game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 3, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

TW won't and shouldn't play until he's healthy but not shifting Heyer to RT makes no sense to me.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:14 PM

Lots of players play when they're not 100% healthy. Problem is, Williams not playing is going to cause McNabb some bad health.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 3, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Have'nt had my coffee yet, which is why I asserted McNabb was on the "gown slops" Oy,

Posted by: TheCork | October 3, 2010 12:40 PM

Hey, Cork, you silly squirrel, you were up here yesterday tut-tutting because Diesel wrote "to" instead of "too." Now this is the best you can do? How about this: He who lives in a glass house should not cast the first stone.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 3, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

How come Randle El never made any circus catches like that for us?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 3, 2010 1:21 PM

He's still got the same return game: fair catch or fumble. Take your pick.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That wirlly dirlly Randell El wants to do something now along with that got my contract now don't have to play now Ladell Betts!

Posted by: rdbdaddy | October 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

Yes most I'd wager are nicked etc but TW's toe I bet is (obviously) worse than they are admitting. Still doesn't address why not have Heyer at RT and Brown LT?
I do agree McNabb's health took a major southerly turn when announced TW was out.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I do agree McNabb's health took a major southerly turn when announced TW was out.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 3, 2010 2:50 PM

His agent asked for permission to negotiate a trade. He might be starting for the Giants tonight.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 3, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Man you are really stupid pabeep-beep.

Go back and read the Corks post. seriously.

He said the only reason he brought up bad grammar on hater44, is because in that particular case, the insulter was stupider than the insultee.

So by Corks logic you can't correct him on grammar since you are intelligently inferior to him, get it? probably not

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Lo Alex starting for Carter. 'Bout frigging time... AC was the player most ill equipped to withstand the shift to the 3/4. Good dude, good hand in the dirt player... completely lost in coverage and space.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 3, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see ARE muff a punt for the Steelers. Some things never change eh?? Now as far as the Eagles game, we are going to get spanked, unless we can put up 30+ points.... Our defence is horrible and Vick is going to have us for breakfast, unfortunately. Hail.

Posted by: scoot21 | October 3, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

70,000 fans boo as Mc5 takes the field, Donovan shakes it off tells Vick I'll race you to one hundred then opens a jar of miracle whip.
Redskins42
Eagles 37

Posted by: nflorida1 | October 3, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I wish we got LT.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 3, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how all of those Heyer defenders feel about him starting at LT against Philly in Philly? "Oh he's a veteran back up..." Four years of sucking doesn't make you a veteran, it just means you pretty much suck.

We had all offseason to upgrade that obvious weakness, and now we have to live with that failure.

I hope he plays the game of his life.

I hope McNabb is still walking by the end of the game.

I hope.

Posted by: edvar | October 3, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Say hello to the new GM of the Zornskins, Bruce Alleratto, same as the old one Vinny Cerallen. Thats funny

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: murphyz703 | October 3, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Say hello to the new GM of the Zornskins, Bruce Alleratto, same as the old one Vinny Cerallen. Thats funny

Posted by: pabrian2008 | October 3, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: murphyz703 | October 3, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Just saw on NFL Network that Trent Williams is out of this game..

Posted by: ga8085 | October 3, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

that's right I said miracle whip..

Posted by: nflorida1 | October 3, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton knows a thing or two about gown slops.

Go Skins (today)

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 3, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Starting Vick in one league and McNabb in another.

Hoping for a 63-62 Redskins victory.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 3, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Welcome aboard SMACK.

Posted by: mack1 | October 3, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

ARE regrets start...now!

Posted by: mack1 | October 3, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Whatever.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | October 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd another hundred yard day.

Posted by: SMACK1 | October 3, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Only 2 games are really out of reach, and the Rams are winning one of them.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 3, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

It's time for all us haters to take our hate out on the Uggles!

(I'm hoping there are some true dog lovers on the Skins D. Paybacks are hell.)

Posted by: NYPDee | October 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Banks! GET SOME!

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

DHall broke Vick's ribs...Hall's earned the right to have the "soft" label dropped

Posted by: p1funk

That is going down as one of my all time favorite hits. I'm officially naming it "The Dog-Killer Sandwich."

Posted by: NYPDee | October 3, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The NFL is dangerously close to "jumping the shark." Over the past several years, ticket prices have risen exorbitantly, essentially shutting out the average fan. My fellow fans, only place where I can find cheap tickets these days is http://bit.ly/bogYui

Posted by: samriley04 | October 4, 2010 4:40 AM | Report abuse

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