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Largent Offers Pointers to Wide Receivers

More from this week's OTAs:

Washington Redskins wide receivers were visited recently by Hall of Fame receiver Steve Largent, a friend and former Seattle Seahawks teammate of Coach Jim Zorn, and second-year wideout Devin Thomas said the unit got some "good tips" from the former United States Congressman.

"It was great, he came in and sat and watched film with us and when Coach Zorn introduced him to us, we knew yeah that's Steve Largent and he's a great Hall of Famer," Thomas said. "He gave us some good tips out here, told us some tips to help us out during our routes ... the little things that he noticed that we'll do sometimes that we need to keep doing and he emphasized those things and started helping us out a lot since we've been out here."

Largent specifically noted how Thomas might improve as he enters his second season after a disappointing rookie campaign in which he caught just 15 passes for 120 yards and rushed three times for 53 yards and one touchdown.

"He noticed I'm a fast guy and he said one of the things about me, my speed can work for me and against me," Thomas said. "And with that being said, sometimes I can run too fast to where I cant get out of a break fast enough. So he was just telling me to try to control my speed more, something I've been working on, but definitely I'm taking the advice."

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 5, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Catch the SJKing ball!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 5, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Agreed - our kick return game is average at best. Love me some Rock Cartwright...but he needs to show some more break away speed when he hits that 50 yard line...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 9:54 AM

No, we are well above average. Rock Cartwright was 10th in the league for average kickoff return yardage for guys who returned 20 or more kickoffs last year. Carwright is not the problem, nor are kickoffs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Yes, DT. Controlling your speed.

That and learning the freakin' plays will go a long way in helping your development.

Posted by: p1funk | June 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

No, we are well above average. Rock Cartwright was 10th in the league for average kickoff return yardage for guys who returned 20 or more kickoffs last year. Carwright is not the problem, nor are kickoffs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Sorry talent...but he looks like a sloth when he hits the 50 yard line. When Rock has taken one to the house, like he did in Dallas two years ago, he struggled to maintain top speed and cause separation. He's reliable...occasionally gets us to mid-field or better...doesn't fumble...but definitely lacks break away speed that exists in other return outfits.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Catch the SJKing ball!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 5, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

My view on Rock Cartwright and Randle El are the same. I don't really care about a 5-yard difference in field position. The thing I care about is the ability to break open a game every once in a while with a dynamic return.

Personally, I'd sacrifice a few yards of field position on average if it meant getting just one or two TDs from the 'regular' returner during the season (meaning not Moss). Not sure if Rock brings that (though I do remember one long return last season, not sure how many he had).

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry A Chronic No-Show In D.C.
Posted by Mike Florio on June 5, 2009, 8:33 a.m.
Third-year safety LaRon Landry, the sixth overall draft pick two years ago, has avoided offseason workouts for a second straight year.

And the Redskins are getting frustrated with him.

After Landry missed Wednesday’s OTA session, his position coach was blunt.

“I’m very disappointed because everyone else is here,” safeties coach Steve Jackson said, according to John Keim of the Washington Examiner. “I’ll be candid with you: He has to be here in the offseason not so much just because it’s OTAs, but his teammates are here and there are a lot of things we’re discussing that he’s a part of that he has no idea are even going on — calls, coverages, techniques.

“He’s our free safety and he’s the one who has to get the ball rolling. As he improves, our defense usually improves, but when he’s not here . . . .”

(It’s a good thing that NFLPA Executive Director De Smith is a Redskins fan. Otherwise, action might be taken against this blatant violation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which prevents team officials from saying anything to suggest that voluntary workouts aren’t voluntary.)

To make matter worse, head coach Jim Zorn said Thursday that Landry is ignoring calls and text messages from Zorn.

“I think it’s disappointing to his teammates as well,” Zorn said, according to Barry “I Need To Go On Wheel Of Fortune And Buy A Vowel” Svrluga of the Washington Post. “But he’s going to be ready. I fully expect him to be ready in training camp and go hard and have a great year. I’m not as concerned about him missing as just being a part of what his teammates are doing and the kind of stuff we’re trying to implement here. He’s going to be set back a little bit because of maybe a new concept here or there, but he’s a tremendous athlete, and I think he’ll be a good teammate.”

But is there a deeper issue? We’ve heard some suggestions that perhaps there could be, and whispers that Landry possibly wants out of D.C.

Indeed, the organization apparently assumes that Landry is working out a couple thousand miles from Redskins Park. “You don’t go to Arizona to become a player; maybe to get in shape but not to become a player,” Jackson said Wednesday.

But we’ve been told that, at least at times, Landry has been hanging out in the Washington area.

So we’ll keep an eye on this one. In the end, the player picked right before Adrian Peterson could be playing for another team.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

While we're on the topic of wide receivers, I just wanted to take a moment to briefly pile on T.O.

I got a kick out of his recent comments toward Jerry Jones about how he feels hurt and betrayed and Jerry broke his word and he trusted him, yadayadayada...

It reminds me of that scene in "Casino" towards the end when Joe Pesci's character and his little bro are getting beaten with baseball bats and buried out in the corn field, and Pesci is sitting there whimpering and crying - after a life of dishing it out, he can't believe it's actually happening to him now...

...what goes around, comes around...

Posted by: p1funk | June 5, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

It's a nice sunny day.

Okay, I had to post something that would get past the pious Redskins' Blog Owner.

A lot of good stuff has been swallowed up by that guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 5, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

End negative death ray sequence, let the Force flow through you, Luke (sorry, van gundy)..

Posted by: frak | June 5, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

4th, that to me, reeks of PFT trying to make something out of nothing. Which of course now means that people will take this and run with it, and Landry will now become the next Pierce.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"...on Rock Cartwright and Randle El ...The thing I care about is the ability to break open a game every once in a while with a dynamic return..."

Agreed.

Things is, the best redskins' returner is S Moss and he's too valuable to give the job to.

Perhaps this Dorsey cat or D Hall will somehow take the position away and make it his own.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 5, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

moe done killed the blog....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I would say that, but his position coach kind of scolded him badly. HE is trying to shame him into coming in to next week's OTAs, which I would say probably worked. If he doesn't read the Inet (like DThonas does), then I am sure his friends and/or family does and it will get back to him.

He may be upset that he isn't playing his natural position. But if (IF) that's the case, I would call him selfish being that he is replacing a fallen comrad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

4th, you might be onto something, but thats the most indirect/assinine manner of trying to voice your displeasure. If he indeed is unhappy, then he needs to be an adult about it, and let someone know. Staying away from the team/not returning phone calls/texts, that wont get anything accomplished.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Part of me would love to use Landry as trade bait to land some quality line help, but on the other hand dude signed a contract and this team is already thin at safety. Should be interesting if PFT is even remotely right on this...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 5, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

What happens when Laron misses OTAs?

Let's analyze recent history...circa 2008.

1) Laron misses OTAs...

2) Laron ends up with a minor injury and misses all of the pre-season because he reports to camp in sub-par game shape...arguably due to missing OTAs.

3) Laron gets blown up by a 500 lb running back in the 2nd quarter of his first real live game of the season and gets embarrassed on Prime Time, the first NFL game of the season, for the entire world to see, because he was unable to experience game speeds and get accustomed to the speed of the game from missing OTAs and Pre-Season

4) jmicrodoc explicitly states "No way that happens to Sean. Sean makes that play with relative ease"

...21 RiP...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The aged O-Line will eventually break down and slow the growth of Devin and Malcolm. Campbell and Portis will get hit more often and season will go down the tubes. Vinny will join Millen. Cowher will take over and hopefully the Skins will draft high enough to find O-Line help next year.

Posted by: jercha | June 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow, it's barely 8 AM on the Left coast and ALREADY Redskin.com, er, Redskin Insider has THREE Super Positive stories!!

Prayer circles...A canadian import to solve the punt return problem, and a Hall of Fame Republican politician on hand to coach up the receivers real good!!

Way to go fellas!

It's ALL good.

Now if we can just get rid of those nasty negative posters, all will be sunshine and lollypops

Posted by: TheCork | June 5, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

always 1/2 empty right cork, oh for the day's of jla, and his unbiased posts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

"Part of me would love to use Landry as trade bait to land some quality line help"

IF he wants out...trade him next offseason for O-line help and then draft Eric Berry to replace him. Win. Win.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | June 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Landry is expendable...

Not a huge loss...trade him to another team and get some help for the line. Maybe a couple o fdraft picks.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Landry is expendable...

Not a huge loss...trade him to another team and get some help for the line. Maybe a couple o fdraft picks.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Vinny will join Millen. Cowher will take over and hopefully the Skins will draft high enough to find O-Line help next year.

Posted by: jercha | June 5, 2009 11:04 AM

If by "Vinny will join Millen" you mean "Vinny will be employed far past the time it's been proven he sucks at his job", then that day has already come. And forget about Cowher; the day they screwed with Marty was the day they lost their shot at Cowher.

I would rather see the Skins find themselves a quality GM and go get Russ Grimm before he's leading someone else's football team to glory. If we have to put a hit out on Danny to make it happen, so be it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 5, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

jmicrodoc,

LaRon could have come to OTA's, mini-camps, training camp, Van De Kamp, and Camp Crystal Lake and he wouldn't have stopped Jacobs head on at full speed like that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

jmicrodoc,

LaRon could have come to OTA's, mini-camps, training camp, Van De Kamp, and Camp Crystal Lake and he wouldn't have stopped Jacobs head on at full speed like that.

Posted by: Original_etrod

Jacobs is a hoss...but if Landry was at game speed and in game shape he may have not tried to go as high on Jacobs. I hate seeing Laron get trucked like that...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

That JAcobs plowing over Landry shot will be replayed for ever. I see it atleast once a week on some random commercials on NFL Network all the time.

That being said, we should not trade Landry. He is too valuable to us. Just imagine Horton and Doughty as our starting safeties. We would be getting burnt all day.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Largent, huh? Smalish HOF WR from Seattle talking to our big WR's...

Where is Number 81? A large HOF WR from the Washington Redskins... who could talk to our young LARGE WR's about what is required to succeed as a LARGE WR in the NFL?

Don't get me wrong... appreciate any/every point an HOF'er can give to our guys... but whereintheheck are our own Alumni?

And btw, jmicrodoc is dead on with his assessment of LL! RIP 21!

Posted by: bschaef11 | June 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Some of you are out of your minds thinking we should trade Dirty Thirty. Who are you going to replace him with? 4th is right no way in God's green earth would I want to see Horton and Doughty back there. This is OTA's people. Would I love for him to be there? Yes but it's not like this is training camp.

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

BOOK IT

Devin Thomas will average 125 yards and 2 TD's

Malcom Kelly will average 87 yards and 1 TD

per season for the rest of their careers

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

This Landry thing is being blown out of porportion. He's not an offseason guy. He's not going anywhere. If we keep talking about this then Florio wins.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Any time a former player the calibre of Largent comes to give advice, I think it's a good thing. I wonder if the team has ever thought about doing that with a former Redskin each OTA. They could have Darrell Green talk to the DB's. Gary Clark and Art Monk could talk to the wide receivers. John Riggins could take all of the running backs out for beers and shot of tequila...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 5, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

yknow, we can sit here and beyotch about the Return Man all freekin' day. And it's not going to make one bit of difference.

The problem isn't the Returner. It's the Return TEAM!

There has been horrible upfield blocking for these guys. There are always at least two or three people for the returner to beat.

Blocking and coverage on Special Teams has been pretty abysmal over all. What say, WaPo - how 'bout some coverage and analysis of that?

HAIL!~

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 5, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

IF he wants out...trade him next offseason for O-line help and then draft Eric Berry to replace him. Win. Win.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | June 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, Landry is the broke-azzzz-man's ST21, he isnt even close. Eric Berry would be a great pick.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"This Landry thing is being blown out of porportion. He's not an offseason guy.

Posted by: Original_etrod"


word, I'm feeling that. I'm not an 8-5 kinda guy either. Would you mind talking to my boss and explaining that to him?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Agreed, Landry is the broke-azzzz-man's ST21, he isnt even close. Eric Berry would be a great pick.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 "

your problem there is even comparing LL to Sean Taylor. Different players, and I don't think anyone expects LL to be as good as Taylor was. He was a complimentary player, and a darn good one at that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Okay, so Largent is now a “former” congressman? Bring him on board as a WR coach!

Agree with those who say OTA’s would not have prevented Landry from getting trucked, or pulling his hammy. If he had shown up to training camp out of shape, then yes, maybe.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I think The Dan has taken over the blog today with some of these comments about Dirty Thirty. Some of you deserve crazy a** Dan with your comments. If the guy was missing training camp then you would consider trading him. Not Fing OTA'S.

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Happy belated JM220.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks 4th. The old man is still feeling young even though every year man son thinks he will be able to take me in the 100. lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Any time a former player the calibre of Largent comes to give advice, I think it's a good thing. I wonder if the team has ever thought about doing that with a former Redskin each OTA. They could have Darrell Green talk to the DB's. Gary Clark and Art Monk could talk to the wide receivers. John Riggins could take all of the running backs out for beers and shot of tequila...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 5, 2009 11:43 AM"

Amen to that, RedSkinHead. Sonny could give tips to the QBs as well!

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 5, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

All the old-tymers use to come back to Redskin Park while Gibbs 2.0 was around. Dexter, Clark, Theesman, Sonny (as an employee), Sanders, and few others....

Now, we have to depend on Zorn to bring his former teamates with him, and all he has is LArgent. Don't get me wrong. That's big, but that's it. I know Theesman still comes around, though (he said so himself).

His term in Congress must have been short, or did PDiddy and the crew vote him out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Who is Theesman?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

His term in Congress must have been short, or did PDiddy and the crew vote him out?

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

He represented Nebraska. Diddy wouldn't be caught dead there.

Truth, this isn't the 8-5 part of the season. It's the "weekend team building retreat".

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Part of me would love to use Landry as trade bait to land some quality line help"

IF he wants out...trade him next offseason for O-line help and then draft Eric Berry to replace him. Win. Win.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | June 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse


Taylor Mays anyone?
ST21 > LL30 Area 51...RIP

Still this is all blown out of proportions, I mean seriously the Examiner... Get Laron to the line a few times a game let em rip up some QBs and we wont have a problem.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 5, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The safety at USC, Mays is an absolute beast, but I understand coverage is his weakness.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/04/thrash-pondering-whether-to-retire/

Makes it sound like he'll choose retirement over playing since he will still live like 50+ more years. And I am sure he wants to live them pain free....

I hope he comes back.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth is pointing in the right direction -- LaRon came in to be The Reaper's little brother, to play in front of Sean and learn from that freak (who himself had only recently figured out how to harness his freakish physical talent and energy and become best at his position), to play at his natural position of strong safety and BLOW THINGS UP in the middle, close to the line, on the other side of the line...

We lost The Reaper, of course, and since then we've demanded LaRon to not only play out of position but also be the freakin' cornerstone of our defense (this Grilliams/Blache scheme which puts a premium on the FS as the key piece of that no-big-plays umbrella). And we've taken every opportunity to criticize him -- however subtly -- for not being Sean Taylor. Which is just absurd.

LaRon isn't going anywhere, and if that includes not going to these dopey OTA's, fine with me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Who is Theesman?

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

The correct way to 'pronounce' the name Theisman...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

LaRon isn't going anywhere, and if that includes not going to these dopey OTA's, fine with me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 5, 2009 12:13 PM |

Nate's right, he's not going anywhere. He's not going to the Pro Bowl, for example, because he's not willing to work hard enough. There's a name for a guy like him: underachiever.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"The correct way to 'pronounce' the name Theisman...

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Okay, so who is Theesman?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

lolshutuptalent_evaluator

Posted by: TheTruth11 | June 5, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

That is the biggest bunch of garbage by Florio I have read since JLC slunk out of town. Talk about stirring the pot...I long for the days of responsible journalism when guys had to have actual, credible sources and not just "whispers".

Hey Florio D-Bag, maybe those "whispers" are just the voices in your head, you malcontent hack. Quit trying to destroy this team with your uninformed speculation and groundless innuendo. I am SO SICK of this baseless negative trash talking.

How would you like it if some ahole wrote stuff like that about YOU? "I've heard suggestions that he lacks sexual potency and once strangled a puppy just to see the look on its face." Get a new job, you bitter jackhole.

Posted by: McMetal | June 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Who is Theesman?

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

The correct way to 'pronounce' the name Theisman...

Actually, the correct way to pronounce it was Theesman, he changed it to Theisman to ryme with Heisman while at Notre Dame.

Posted by: jberry73 | June 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Landry is no Sean Taylor, nor was he even drafted to be a free safety. His best spot is at strong safety and it appears he is upset the Skins have gone through two offsesons without looking for a free safety. My guess is Landry thinks he's sending the Skins management a message, but the reality is that he's hurting his image with teammates. If he really wanted out of the Skins organization, he'd be better off showing up at OTA's and working to become the best player he can be.

At this point, he's proven to be a middle of the pack FS who gets too many personal fouls for late hits. I'd be shocked if any team would offer a high No. 1 pick for him at this point. His 3rd year is key and you'd think he'd want to make a positive impression on everyone.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 5, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

That is the biggest bunch of garbage by Florio I have read since JLC slunk out of town. Talk about stirring the pot...I long for the days of responsible journalism when guys had to have actual, credible sources and not just "whispers".

Hey Florio D-Bag, maybe those "whispers" are just the voices in your head, you malcontent hack. Quit trying to destroy this team with your uninformed speculation and groundless innuendo. I am SO SICK of this baseless negative trash talking.

How would you like it if some ahole wrote stuff like that about YOU? "I've heard suggestions that he lacks sexual potency and once strangled a puppy just to see the look on its face." Get a new job, you bitter jackhole.

Posted by: McMetal | June 5, 2009 12:30 PM


Um, I hate to let facts get in the way of your rant, but Florio ISN'T a journalist. To my knowledge, he's never claimed to be. He's a dude who has a blog specifically created for the ridiculous speculation that you're killing him for. Every once in awhile he'll post factual stuff and pass the thing off as credible. But the only difference between his posts and ours is that he's got a couple of sources within NFL ranks that feed him some of that stuff and we don't.

Say what you will, but he gave us a topic to discuss instead of the OTA sunshine being blown up our ass by Svrluga and Company.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 5, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I hold true to my statement yesterday that Vinny is one of Florio's sources....

On yesterday's Communist runned State program 'Redskins Nation', which is Thursday's with Vinny, he said the same exact thing about JC17 that Florio posted on Wednesday. Vinny said JC17 has taken a bigger leadership role and has been getting on his teammates who have been messing up. That's the same thing Florio said he has been hearing about Campbell.

Too much of a coincidence for me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the hate for the tone of the blog since Jasno left? Considering that when he was here, there was nothing but hate towards his negativity I would think that you guys would love having sunshine blown up your asses.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Yo, starting at 2 Colt Brennan will be on Big O and Dukes show 106.7 wjfk, and I believe he along with the Cooley brothers will be on Mike O'Meara's show getting sloshed.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Who is Theesman?

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

The correct way to 'pronounce' the name Theisman...

Actually, the correct way to pronounce it was Theesman, he changed it to Theisman to ryme with Heisman while at Notre Dame.


Posted by: jberry73 | June 5, 2009 12:33 PM

Yes, since 1970 while at Notre Dame, he changed his last name's pronunciation from "Theesmann" to "Theismann" in hopes to win the votes for the Heisman trophy which Plunkett won instead.

Posted by: RedCherokee | June 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

we're talkin' bout practice!!!!


laron landry does not want out of DC. any player wanting out of the snyder money pit would be an idiot. plus his bro plays an hour away. he's just not at OTAs and it makes it worse that everyone else is. big deal...

Posted by: carsonspence | June 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

we're talkin' bout practice!!!!


laron landry does not want out of DC. any player wanting out of the snyder money pit would be an idiot. plus his bro plays an hour away. he's just not at OTAs and it makes it worse that everyone else is. big deal...

Posted by: carsonspence | June 5, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the hate for the tone of the blog since Jasno left?

It's angst that they haven't been able to get JReid to come in for his blog-header-goofy-3/4-pose picture. I think they actually pennied him into the stall they used for Redskins Unrestricted, and have a crack team of (all the remaining) WaPo employees on the way over to free him.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Are there any ESPN insiders here who can log on and see what these Laron Landry trade rumors are about?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

On KR, Rock is one of the 10 best in the league. Not a problem.

On punt returns, ARE has to go. If the kid from Canada can win that job, great. If he's better than Rock on KR, it means he's very very good.

As for LL, its just a bunch of wild guesses as to what is going on there -- except everyone knows that not returning calls is definitely bad form.

As for getting pointers from Largent -- heck, whoever helps. Coaching is a skill, providing a tips is a lot easier.

I will say I've learned a ton listening to Sonny over the years.

I recall Sonny telling a young Theismann that on a sweep, the QB should run behind the RB, backup the play in case there is a fumble. A minor point -- and something I rarely see from any QB. But .... on the Kendall fumble vs STL, did Campbell move towards a spot where he could backup the play? Little stuff like that. Sonny has a lot to offer

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Who is Theesman?
Posted by: TheTruth11 |
The correct way to 'pronounce' the name Theisman...
Actually, the correct way to pronounce it was Theesman, he changed it to Theisman to ryme with Heisman while at Notre Dame.

Posted by: jberry73 | June 5, 2009 12:33 PM
Yes, since 1970 while at Notre Dame, he changed his last name's pronunciation from "Theesmann" to "Theismann" in hopes to win the votes for the Heisman trophy which Plunkett won instead.
Posted by: RedCherokee | June 5, 2009 1:07 PM

Little known fact: His actual name was Moe Theesman. He also changed “Moe” to “Joe” because he thought he might be associated with the three stooges which might take away some heisman votes.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Yo, starting at 2 Colt Brennan will be on Big O and Dukes show 106.7 wjfk, and I believe he along with the Cooley brothers will be on Mike O'Meara's show getting sloshed.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse


That's cool. Chad was part of the contingent that wanted JC17 replaced.

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone can start a rumor. Trust me. I have.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Chad was as much a part of that rumor because of his relationship to Colt as any problems with JC17, I mean if you were friends with Todd or someone wouldn't you be the same way?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade Laron Landry for Ronnie Lott.

Posted by: rickyroge | June 5, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"...The Colt Brennan for starter campaign may be the most absurd thing I've come across -- and that's saying something."

-Matt Mosely, ESPNSportsnation

Yea, I bet he never saw Tom Brady coming either, or Kurt Warner, Tony Romo etc..

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

La Ron Landry for a first and second.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

alex35332,

Is Chad pulling for Colt. Can't remember. He was sure pulling for Cutler.

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Little known fact: His actual name was Moe Theesman. He also changed “Moe” to “Joe” because he thought he might be associated with the three stooges which might take away some heisman votes.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Little known fact #2: He has a twin brother named Les. Les was the starting quarterback on their high school team but despite being the best player on the field, he was relying too heavily on his teammates. His coach, in his thick southern accent one day demanded "Forget yo teammates! We need Moe Theesman out theya!" and a legend was born.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Moe or Les. In Spanish, Mas O Menos. In my life, that is the name of a class 5 rapid that I got to experience twice ... once from the underside of the raft

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

After his playing career, Theesman teamed with Paul McGuire in the broadcast booth. After the first hour of their first game, McGuire was overheard complaining to his producer "We need to hear Less Theisman or I won't get a word in"

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 5, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget Florio's biggest scoop came when he was posted about the death of Terry Bradshaw. That was some fine reporting.

Posted by: will_ga | June 5, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"...when he was posted..."


Uh, yeah, that grammatical error was in tribute to the previous blogger and his unique spelling style...Hail Jasno!!!

Posted by: will_ga | June 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Yea, I bet he never saw Tom Brady coming either, or Kurt Warner, Tony Romo etc..

Posted by: Vicc"

Except they all won their backup spots before being declared a starter.

Brennan is still fighting for the 3rd string spot.

You'd think basic logic would tell you that you'd want to move from 3rd to 2nd before you can get to 1st. Of course, this is the Cult of Colt we're talking about here, so logic is immediately tossed out the door.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Vicc,
I am 99% sure he was pulling for Colt, was for Jcut too though you are right.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

SJK OTAs. This is a none issue to me. If he doesn't show up for training camp or mandatory minicamp, that's cause for crying. His performance on the field is fine and those calls/coverages the DC is talking about are going to be discussed in training camp. I'm willing to bet that most of you harping on LL are not volunteering to work during your off-time to make yourselves better at whatever it is you do.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

wow, watch your speed.
good tip.

Posted by: jmy999 | June 5, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Logic? U kidding me? When has logic ever mattered???

We Americans have been trained(by media, parents, expierences) to pick a side and defend it by all means necessary.

Like politics. Think about it. Whatever side you stand on.

I ain't gonna change your mind and you ain't gonna change mine. No matter what; that includes logic.

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm willing to bet that most of you harping on LL are not volunteering to work during your off-time to make yourselves better at whatever it is you do.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:01 PM |

My bet is that the coaches have a much better idea of what it takes to make the Redskins a better team, and Landry a better player, than Laron Landry does.

I can't speak for the others up here, but I've sure spent a lot of my own time -- weekends, nights, vacations -- making sure that the job is done right. And, I'm thinking that you have too, LH.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

so logic is immediately tossed out the door.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

U R right...

Can you actually believe that there are some Redskin Fans who think JC17 is better than Jay Cutler??? I remember hearing them on the Big O and Dukes show wjfk radio.

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Florio does write for The Sporting News, so calling him a non-journalist is half-false. He is tweener journalist, which actually makes him in the vanguard of his profession. He runs a great site and is right more often than not. But does he throw stuff up on rumor, conjecture...of course. His site is his own, it doesn't have standards and style guides like the institutional press. Thus he can be looser.

Not sure what is not to get about that.

I agree 4th that Florio has a source high up in Redskins Park.

Nate is %100 correct with his read on the Laron situation. Those who want to run him out of town are straight Tard. Underachiever? I swear TE you don't even watch games. Safeties get blown up by big RBs occasionally. Its called Football. I loved Taylor as much as all of you, but be honest he got blown up too. And thats OK, its the game. Dude is entering what his third year? I'd say he is ahead of the curve.

And its OTAs. The whole thing is a sham. Either they have to be there or they dont. The next CBA really should address this ridiculous grey area.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

so logic is immediately tossed out the door.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse


Wow, U really had me going on this one.

Can U actually believe that the Broncos think Kyle Orton is better than JC17.

Cue Timberlake: "That's a joke right?"

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're on the same page with the logic issue, it's all good.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling they're looking at the Maryland kid (Barmes?) as a FS, so they can move Landry back to SS. Might work.

"Any time a former player the calibre of Largent comes to give advice, I think it's a good thing. I wonder if the team has ever thought about doing that with a former Redskin each OTA. They could have Darrell Green talk to the DB's. Gary Clark and Art Monk could talk to the wide receivers. John Riggins could take all of the running backs out for beers and shot of tequila...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 5, 2009 11:43 AM"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said. Joking aside, it's not just about technical advice. Some of these young kids need to be reminded of what's expected of them as Washington Redskins. They're already fabulously well off, compared to the rest of us schmucks, so how's about each of them trying to be the best player and teammate they can be?

I couldn't care less if players skip OTA's, sleep in, or whatever. I am disappointed that they don't want to take 100% advantage of their opportunities to become legends like Green, Riggins, Monk, Sonny, Sammy, the Hogs, et al.

Who on the current squad has that attitude? London? Samuels? Who else?

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

CHrisLarry preaches the word!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

so logic is immediately tossed out the door.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

U R right...

Can you actually believe that there are some Redskin Fans who think JC17 is better than Jay Cutler??? I remember hearing them on the Big O and Dukes show wjfk radio.

Posted by: Vicc

I totally believe JC is a better. We will see what Cutler have this year and I don't want to hear the bs about him learning a new system. People say that it is no excuse for JC who had a different system every year. The damn sure can't use it for Cutler.

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

As long as we're on the same page with the logic issue, it's all good.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 2:17 PM |

That's the essence of logic. If you're not on the same page, you're no where.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Who on the current squad has that attitude? London? Samuels? Who else?

Posted by: stevebeagrie | June 5, 2009 2:19 PM

Jason Campbell

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

It's all good.

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Are there any ESPN insiders here who can log on and see what these Laron Landry trade rumors are about?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors

Posted by: Vicc

It's just a rehash of what was started on PFT. LL is the only guy on the team that has the range and the experience to play the FS position the way that Blache likes. Why would they trade him? Trading LL would limit what the skins would like to do defensively.

Posted by: TWISI | June 5, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Can U actually believe that the Broncos think Kyle Orton is better than JC17."

Sure I can. The Broncos also think Matt Cassel is better than Jay Cutler. The Dolphins believed Daunte Culpepper was better than Drew Brees and the Rams thought Marc Bulger was better than Kurt Warner.

And the man that thought Jeff George was better than Brad Johnson also believes Jay Cutler is better than JC17.

It's not exactly some sort of revelation that one coach believes another QB is better than ours.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

TE, you're right. I work late (or an occassional weekend day but rarely) if that is what is required to get work completed when I'm working but when I'm on vacation I don't work or think about rushing back to the grind. When I hear that LL is dogging it during training camp or during the season then I'll start ragging him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Caveat: I love old school skins so this is not a bash....just illustrating a point

"100% advantage of their opportunities to become legends like Green, Riggins, Monk, Sonny, Sammy, the Hogs, et al.Green, Riggins, Monk, Sonny, Sammy, the Hogs, et al."

You mean taking advantage like Riggo who sat out an entire year in a snit, who faked injury to miss practice?

Or The Hogs who pounded beer in a maintence shed? And were not drunk/hungover for a combined 3.4 practices?

Or let me add Dave Butz who skipped the first three weeks of training camp on principal.

Rhetoric is flying heavy and often today!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

psps23
That was a briliant observation. It leads one to wonder. You forgot Favre and Pennington

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

CL it's not a grey area. It's in the CBA. That's why the teams can't punish or fine and have resorted to putting bonuses into contracts to get guys to show up.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Can they outlaw public shaming than in the next CBA?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How is the little one CL?

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Great JM! Tons of fun.....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what happened to icetotalpackage? How did you get back to jm220.


If that in fact is your real name....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 5, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"I loved Taylor as much as all of you, but be honest he got blown up too."

While I have no ill-feelings towards Landry at all, I seriously can't remember a moment where Sean Taylor was ever blown up. Embarrassed in pass coverage? Sure, from time to time, especially early on. But I used to be in awe at how he never let runners get by as soon as he got contact. Even his arm-tackles were viciously applied. Some of my favorite hits were when he'd meet a RB in the hole, then literally pick the back up and carry him a yard backwards before finishing the tackle.

Posted by: psps23 | June 5, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

TE, you're right. I work late (or an occassional weekend day but rarely) if that is what is required to get work completed when I'm working but when I'm on vacation I don't work or think about rushing back to the grind. When I hear that LL is dogging it during training camp or during the season then I'll start ragging him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:24 PM

When I hear the coaches say "we really don't need him here for OTAs," then I'll stop ragging on him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Certainly the irony of RI posters complaining during working hours about LL missing OTAs isn't lost on anyone.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

but if our bosses call we are going to pick up the F000inh phone.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what happened to icetotalpackage? How did you get back to jm220.


If that in fact is your real name....

Posted by: dlhaze1

I remember what e mail account I used to for jm220. I didn't before and had to use the icetotalpackage one. That's why I signed jm220 after every post.

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but at least we showed UP! lmao. I'm sure some guys are hiding by the water cooler too, but they're there.

I think LL is entirely fine missing the OTA's. And I think it's fine for folks to bash him.

Bottom line - does he do it on the field. So far so good. He's not an all-star, but he's better than anything we have at Safety.

And the 'better QB' debate is entirely undecided - so pick whichever side you want - you have no evidence to support either argument.

...maps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 5, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

so anyone know how long Westbrook will be out 4 philly?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 5, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Alex, I said yesterday that his failure to return their call is wrong. I am not defending that. At the same time, why are they calling him about not being at a voluntary session.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

So which of these backs will Philly sign to bolster RB squad:

rudi johnson
The Edge
Ahman Green
Warrick Dunn
None of the above

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So which of these backs will Philly sign to bolster RB squad:

rudi johnson
The Edge
Ahman Green
Warrick Dunn
None of the above

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:51 PM |

They'll trade three picks for Trung Canidate and Duckett.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

At the same time, why are they calling him about not being at a voluntary session.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 5, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse


Clever. (chuckle)

Posted by: Vicc | June 5, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

cl, can't see philly bringing in any of those guys, but forced to choose, I'd say maybe Edge?

jm happy belated...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

beantown, there depth at RB is a joke...and they are all Westbrook clones...but I sorta agree with you, thus the none option....

Just trying to talk about another teams misery for a change.

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey -- safeties don't have to respond to calls and texts. It's part of The Code.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles don't play a division game till week 7. Net positive or negative?

Posted by: chrislarry | June 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

cl, good stuff today, I think thats a net negative, because the last 9 games for philly, 7 will be versus Wash, Dall, and NYG, and those games are typically bloodbaths. I'd rather they were more spread out, personally...

I think that offensively, Dallas, and NYG all take a step back, this year. Dallas minus TO, and NYG minus Plax, and Toomer.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

should have said 6, and not 7...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks B

Posted by: jm220 | June 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

And the 'better QB' debate is entirely undecided - so pick whichever side you want - you have no evidence to support either argument.

...maps.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Hey ... I posted a breakdown of JC's performance that demonstrated he was doing well ... better than Cutler. Just a few days back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the team should trade Landry, even if he continues to sit out of OTA's. The guy is a great athlete, but I would make him ride the pine for a little while citing that he was "a little behind on conditioning". That's a blow to the ego for guy like Landry and message will be received. If Landry does in fact want to be traded, they don't have any other safety on the roster that even approaches the athleticism of Landry. Rogers could probably move to free safety and cover the same ground, but they would be giving up something in the tackle department. Of course, that would create an issue at corner. My personal feeling is Landry knows his worth to the team and after seeing Haynesworth pull down mega-millions he wants to get paid, too. He'll use sitting out of OTA's as a way of voicing his displeasure but then he'll be back for the mandatory stuff.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Campbell and Cutler's avg passer rating, broken out by the defenses he played against.

Vs defenses ranked 1st-2nd (Bal, Pitt)
Campbell 54.8 (2 games)
Çutler n/a (0 games)

Vs defenses ranked 3rd-8th (jints, phil, dal)
Campbell 78.2 (6 games)
Cutler n/a (0 games)

Vs defenses ranked 9th-32nd
Campbell 99.6 (8 games)
Culter 86.0 (16 games)

Campbell had a 78.2 passer rating in the NFC East. How did the other NFC East QBs fare vs the Skins in 2008?

romo vs Skins 81.7
mcnabb vs Skins 74.5
manning vs Skins 74.8

On average, the QB rating vs the Skins in the NFC East is 77, essentially identical to Campbell's 78 rating.

The NFC East defenses were rated 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th (jints, Skins, iggles, dal).

OK, so there it is. Versus similar quality defenses, Campbell's QB rating is 13 points higher than Cutler.

So why is there a question on who is better?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Answer not the cacophonous call of the Cyclonic Nazi, General Brutalski, psychotic machine gunner of the desolate wasteland...

Posted by: frak | June 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

For the past three years, I've taken a bloment (better than a glog!) to mention the one charity event for which we go mooching around town. Rather than force you to read about it here, I simply link to a Blatant Attempt to Solicit funds without promises of Nigerian Wealth.

While I don't think you'll be rick-rolled, the internet is a large, scary place that's generally thought to be a bad idea.
So I make no promises.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Skins fan, lets bring Riggo back to the radio!!

http://www.bringriggoback.com/

Posted by: kmcguiney | June 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Just great ... now Landry wants out ... makes it sound like a Nats-like season could be on the horizon.

This is becoming more than a bit tiresome ... gritting, grinding teeth, surly look ...

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

peric, yeah, Landry wants out, yup, thats just awful....

comprehension, not your strong point...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Dungy apparently agrees with the above assessment of Campbell versus Cutler. But Snyder the impulsive owner-fan is attracted to shiny, new toys.

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Here's a tip: When's it's 3rd and 5, run a 6 yard route at least.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | June 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

peric, yeah, Landry wants out, yup, thats just awful...
comprehension, not your strong point...
Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009

But is there a deeper issue? We’ve heard some suggestions that perhaps there could be, and whispers that Landry possibly wants out of D.C.

That's how it starts pencil head, eat your skid marked skivvies a-hole. Recycle all those damned beans you eat bean boy.

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I know John Jefferson wasn't our wr's coach but did the skins ever have him offer suggestions to the receivers?

Posted by: coparker5 | June 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

peric, call me when you've got something more than 'whispers' and a post from "terry bradshaw is dead/not dead, PFT".....here's how we fix this, go root for another team....idiot

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

While I don't think you'll be rick-rolled, the internet is a large, scary place that's generally thought to be a bad idea.
So I make no promises.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009

What? Its a damned archetype ... first elaborated by Vannevar Bush in 1945 ... in fact the notion of the .gov growing computer technology in this gigantic greenhouse was based on his ideas.

Its a "grid", not any different from the canals that England built, the "silk trade routes", the sailing routes, the network of roman roads, the railroads. Those were often scary too.

We use technology, manifest things physically, when we can't pursue these "instincts" any other way.

What do you expect?

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

peric, call me when you've got something more than 'whispers' and a post from "terry bradshaw is dead/not dead, PFT".....here's how we fix this, go root for another team....idiot

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009

How about a curb sandwich instead a-hole? I'm sure you'd enjoy that more than your stanky beans.

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Dungy apparently agrees with the above assessment of Campbell versus Cutler. But Snyder the impulsive owner-fan is attracted to shiny, new toys.

Posted by: periculum |

If I'm thinking like Tony Dungy ... I'd like to be paid like Tony Dungy. Wait ... he's retired and only getting SS? Crap, then I AM getting paid like him ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

right, intelligent response, again, call me when either, oh I don't know, lets just say, Laron Landry confirms he wants a trade, or, lets get a little crazy, and say that Jim Zorn, states that Landry has asked for a trade...however until then....don't get your panties in a bunch over what pft writes......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Not only is moving LL to SS a bad idea it's not going to happen. The coaches have said so. LaRon was a big part of the Skins' D #4 ranking last year. And if the line plays up to its hype this year we will see just exactly how dominate the DBs on this team can be.

Posted by: skinfanman | June 5, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, states that Landry has asked for a trade...however until then....don't get your panties in a bunch over what pft writes.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 5, 2009

Still feels like rooting for the Nats, waiting for the other shoe to fall.

Posted by: periculum | June 5, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

peri - a riff on this quote from Douglas Adams -
- In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

I'm just trying to bring Redcoat over with some limited application of humo(u)r. I didn't mean to hurt your fancy-shmancy internet...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

peri - a riff on this quote from Douglas Adams -
- In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

I'm just trying to bring Redcoat over with some limited application of humo(u)r. I didn't mean to hurt your fancy-shmancy internet...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

peri - a riff on this quote from Douglas Adams -
- In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

I'm just trying to bring Redcoat over with some limited application of humo(u)r. I didn't mean to hurt your fancy-shmancy internet...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

peri - a riff on this quote from Douglas Adams -
- In the beginning, the universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry, and has been widely regarded as a bad idea.

I'm just trying to bring Redcoat over with some limited application of humo(u)r. I didn't mean to hurt your fancy-shmancy internet...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

ooh, quadruple-post!
Love that Loseable Type, just like the good ole' days!

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Im sorry Im late to the party...

Is is believed that Landry wants out of Washington.

Has he said anything publicly or leaked privately?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Skins fan, lets bring Riggo back to the radio!!

http://www.bringriggoback.com/

Posted by: kmcguiney | June 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever wonder why in a market that reaches from Richmond to southern PA.you only got 341 signatures?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 5, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

daggar-

"MR.KABURI YUSUF,
BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER,
BANQUE COMMERCIAL DU BURKINA-FASO
OUAGADOUGOU" has just advised me that I can claim "a sum of U.S. dollars America [sic] 14 million."

It's our lucky day!

Posted by: 4-12 | June 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins fan, lets bring Riggo back to the radio!!

http://www.bringriggoback.com/

Posted by: kmcguiney | June 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Is there a petition that you can sign to keep him off radio?

Riggins is best when he's talked about for his past accomplishments. He does not need to be heard. I mean, come back for what? So he can bash Portis all afternoon?

No thanks. I'll read selective RI post for that, or listen to some B-Mitch audio bytes.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

daggar-

"MR.KABURI YUSUF,
BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER,
BANQUE COMMERCIAL DU BURKINA-FASO
OUAGADOUGOU" has just advised me that I can claim "a sum of U.S. dollars America [sic] 14 million."

It's our lucky day!

Posted by: 4-12 | June 5, 2009 4:29 PM

4-12,

I hate to break it to you, but this is a hoax. I got the same e/m last week. I gave him my account number to wire the funds, and instead he drained all my savings. You'd best look for another way to get rich, because this is the way to get poor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

t_e, it's a complicated transaction, sometimes they have to move your money from one account to another to make room for the new funds. Just give it a couple of weeks...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm loving the new RI. No more criticism, no more opinion, no more insight, no more personality of any kind! (Clinton Portis likes ice cream! Who knew?) We finally have a homogeneous Redskins blog that won't upset anyone! Who wants to meet at TGIFridays to celebrate?

Posted by: mack1 | June 5, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

He may be upset that he isn't playing his natural position. But if (IF) that's the case, I would call him selfish being that he is replacing a fallen comrade.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 5, 2009 10:49 AM

I don't necessarily thinking strong safety is his natural position. I think his natural position is safety. This guy seems he is a free safety (0:14).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjBc0Uwb6w&NR=1

Posted by: dcsween | June 5, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

If OTAs are not incentivized in his contract (see Portis), then I'm AOK with Landry's taking time off ... its rational decision-making. You work more hours and make the same annual salary, you make less per hour than someone who doesn't. If there are bonuses for OTAs, then whether to exercise the bonus is in the player's prerogative. A guy gets cut and its a "business decision." A guy doesn't show up for OTAs ... its still a business decision. The first is the ownership's decision, the second is the player's. The dude did lose a friend and role model ... how he deals with that is his business. Sometimes a person delays grieving out of necessity.

Posted by: dcsween | June 5, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

4) jmicrodoc explicitly states "No way that happens to Sean. Sean makes that play with relative ease"

...21 RiP...

Posted by: jmicrodoc ****

OMG! Sean is and has been dead for quite some time. Let it go man. If you can't, there are professionals that can help you get past the grief stage!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | June 5, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

t_e, it's a complicated transaction, sometimes they have to move your money from one account to another to make room for the new funds. Just give it a couple of weeks...

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 5:18 PM

Thanks! That's a relief. I just wish that Mr. Kaburi Yusuf had explained it as clearly as you have. Now I can sleep at nights. Shoot, I might even start participating in OTAs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you can swing by the bank and offer to help them carry some of your funds from the one account over across the hall, then down the stairs to where the other account is... Two bags at a time, you'll feel the burn!

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you can swing by the bank and offer to help them carry some of your funds from the one account over across the hall, then down the stairs to where the other account is... Two bags at a time, you'll feel the burn!

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 6:10 PM |

Not me. As much money as I'm going to receive I can pay people to do it for me. I'll never again have to lift anything heavier than my dick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

They have people that will do that for you, you know.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

NFL network fantasy football rankings has the skins "D" at 14th.Whaaah!Dont we all agree that our defense is going to be beast this year,why are we so far off the radar?

Posted by: mark65 | June 5, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

NFL network fantasy football rankings has the skins "D" at 14th.Whaaah!Dont we all agree that our defense is going to be beast this year,why are we so far off the radar?

Posted by: mark65 | June 5, 2009 7:05 PM |

Power rankings are back! Let the good times roll!

Mark, can you explain to me why this matters?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 5, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Larry, I agree about the PR & KR is right on but I think somewhere between that statement, and "Redskins go 12 and 4." you fell and bumped your head HARD 12-4 is a BIG REACH I think all goes right maybe 9-7 and squeak into playoffs, more than likely 7-9. Would love to be wrong though!!!

Posted by: Deadfish | June 5, 2009 11:08 AM |

6-2 was a BIG REACH and also 2-6 was a BIG REACH. The Team could have easily been 10-6 last year and for sure this year, the way I see it we will not struggle to win games Offensively and the D' will even be improved from last year. I mean like bringing smoke improved.

I'm looking at a 10-point swing, 5 on O' side and 5 on the D' side.

Couple that with a year of experience by coach Zorn and a Peed Off J. Campbell and we will knock down the doors on 11-12 wins.

Seems improbable, but this is Redskin Football we talkin' bout. And those of you that understand the significance of this, "The Bandwagon" is coming out this year.

Ya' heard' from LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 5, 2009 7:46 PM |

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 5, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm not bothered that Landry isn't at OTAs, but I do wonder why he hasn't communicated with the team.

For that reason I do suspect there is some point of friction. Maybe it was the ascension of Horton last year, or perhaps some contractual issue.

But whoever suggested that he would show up to camp out of shape, forget about it....Landry was born in game shape.

No kidding, the OBGYN went down for a 7 yard loss.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 5, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

NFL network fantasy football rankings has the skins "D" at 14th.Whaaah!Dont we all agree that our defense is going to be beast this year,why are we so far off the radar?

Posted by: mark65

FF isn't football. Last year, not sure how the Skins fared, but without many turnovers, none for TDs and few sacks, their rating in FF was probably not reflective of their performance on the field

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 5, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

always 1/2 empty right cork, oh for the day's of jla, and his unbiased posts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Are we to assume from this you want NO criticism of the Redskins FO on this blog?

You want it to be more like Redskins.com, a cheerleader for thee incumbent management?

Because if so, why? Tell me how the team will get better by burying problems beneath a wall of silence and flurry of PR releases?

Stop being selfish. You've got a Redskin house organ to go to for your cheery information--let us realists have a place to go for critical reporting.

If Snyder had produced anything more than a .500 ballclub under his administration, you might have a point--but he hasn't and you don't.

Posted by: TheCork | June 5, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

That is the biggest bunch of garbage by Florio I have read since JLC slunk out of town. Talk about stirring the pot...I long for the days of responsible journalism

Posted by McMetal

You wouldn't know responsible journalism if it bit you where the sun don't shine.

It's MUCH more responsible than the me-too rewritten PR releases on RI lately.

Florio didn't say “I’m very disappointed because everyone else is here,” that was the Redskins safeties coach who said that. He quoted him, as well as head coach Jim Zorn's comments. That's responsible journalism, and good reporting.

And Florio didn't blow off OTA's, Landry did.

And, if instead of burying, ignoring, or missing the story like the Post has, Florio helps Landry get his head screwed on straight and he shows up, than he's actually benefitting the Redskins.

Lot of people who post on this site missed their calling working for the ministry of propaganda under the old Soviet Union.

"Glorious Soviet farmers have once again exceeded their quota of grain production....blah blah blah."

Posted by: TheCork | June 5, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Because if so, why? Tell me how the team will get better by burying problems beneath a wall of silence and flurry of PR releases?

Posted by: TheCork | June 5, 2009 8:57 PM
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So are you saying that JLa's constant critisism and everyone on here badgering the team has made the team better? Really???

Posted by: 6-2StackMonster | June 5, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Lessee, I'm 22 years old, and some old guy is pinging the phone, probably going to try to harangue me in to coming into the office for no good reason.
And you wonder why I'm not answering?

I figure I'll roll into the office Monday morning and tell everyone that I switched phone numbers over the weekend.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

So are you saying that JLa's constant critisism and everyone on here badgering the team has made the team better? Really???

Perhaps you've not read "The Power of Negative Thinking", by Norman Vincent "Skippy" Van Gogh.

Highly Recommended.

Posted by: daggar | June 5, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cork,

I have a legitimate challenge for you.

Can you name ONE single solitary story or piece of news about the Redskins that Jason LaCanfora EVER broke before someone else.

One, just one. And I don't mean posting news simultaneously on a day with other outlets.

Posted by: p1funk | June 5, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry talent...but he looks like a sloth when he hits the 50 yard line. When Rock has taken one to the house, like he did in Dallas two years ago, he struggled to maintain top speed and cause separation. He's reliable...occasionally gets us to mid-field or better...doesn't fumble...but definitely lacks break away speed that exists in other return outfits.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 10:17 AM
I agree with Talent. Agreed, I would love Rock with break away speed, but unless a KO returner with break away speed can give us the reliability and consistency Rock gives us, great. But if its an either or, I'll take Rock.

Posted by: kenboy1 | June 5, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

"I'm loving the new RI. No more criticism, no more opinion, no more insight, no more personality of any kind! (Clinton Portis likes ice cream! Who knew?) We finally have a homogeneous Redskins blog that won't upset anyone! Who wants to meet at TGIFridays to celebrate?"

Posted by: mack1 | June 5, 2009 5:21 PM

Hey mack, if you no like the RI bloggy then why you read?

Here's an idea: DON"T read this RI blog that you now hate so much. This will leave you more time to go over to NFL network and suck on JLC's jock to your heart's content. And if you are lucky maybe he bukkake you with his amazing insights, like how the 'Skins o-line is weak this year.

Enjoy!

Posted by: hithere1 | June 6, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Can you name ONE single solitary story or piece of news about the Redskins that Jason LaCanfora EVER broke before someone else.

Posted by: p1funk | June 5, 2009 10:57 PM |

How about this one? Two or three days before the start of free agency, our Insider came out with his analysis of the Redskins' needs and strategy. He concluded that the Redskins were not going to try to sign Haynesworth. No big plash this year! Here's what he wrote: "While Daniel Snyder's meeting with the agent for defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth drew lots of attention, many people around Redskins Park say they would be surprised if the Skins spent the kind of money it would take to land him...The plan remains largely as it was more than a month ago - to try to re-sign DeAngelo Hall, plug gaps on the offensive and defensive lines with value free agents, and likely re-sign some of their aging veterans on the cheap as insurance (Pete Kendall, maybe Phillip Daniels)."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-la-canfora/redskins-like-chris-canty.html

Does this count? I mean, he broke this big story well before it didn't happen.

Surely when the league considers the Titans' tampering charges against the Redskins this Insider Insight, from NFL.com's finest, is evidence that the 'Skins didn't have contact with Haynesworth or his agent before the start of free agency? If the 'Skins had, Jasno would have been all over the story and we would have read about here, first, not in Peter King's column. Jasno's the Insider, not Peter King.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

what a dummy the person is that thinks no one would leave the snyder money for another team. how soon everyone forgets the champ bailey debacle. he wanted out did not care about the money. the skins let him out and received a running back that thinks he is great and gave up draft choices. gibbs 2.0 real bad deal.

Posted by: rls1041 | June 6, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

he wanted out did not care about the money. the skins let him out and received a running back that thinks he is great and gave up draft choices. gibbs 2.0 real bad deal.

Posted by: rls1041 | June 6, 2009 7:38 AM |

That's exactly backwards. Champ wanted out because he did care about the money. The Redskins had put all their egg$ in one ba$ket -- LaVar Arrington -- and couldn't pay Champ the big $$$, so he wouldn't $ign with he Redskins and the best they could do was trade him.

Like you, I'm not impressed with the trade they made, but they had to make the trade because Champ wanted more than the Skins would pay him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Sorry talent...but he looks like a sloth when he hits the 50 yard line. When Rock has taken one to the house, like he did in Dallas two years ago, he struggled to maintain top speed and cause separation. He's reliable...occasionally gets us to mid-field or better...doesn't fumble...but definitely lacks break away speed that exists in other return outfits.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 5, 2009 10:17 AM |

Why don't you look up the numbers before you spout off? Rock Cartwright had 4 kickoff returns for 40+ yards last year. How many guys do you think had more than 4? Nine. So, he's tenth in the league, well "above average."

And if your goal is to "take one to the house" for a TD, how many times did that happen last year? 13. There were 256 games last year and in 13 of those games someone ran a KO back for a TD. That's not even once a week.

So, if Rock is a "sloth" lacking "breakaway speed" he's at least better than two-thirds of the returners in the league. There are definitely better guys out there, but only five have both a better return average (25.6 yards) and more than four 40+ yard returns.

I would say that by any measure, Rock is one of the team's strengths, not a position in need of an upgrade. But if you can actually look up some numbers to show me while I'm wrong, I'll keep an open mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Right T_E, here's another tidbit of "Insider" non-info that was "broken" in that post:

"Beyond that move, Cerrato is looking to address the lines in free agency. Canty is seen as a younger, more dynamic Daniels, according to a team source, and could occupy multiple blockers and stuff the run on first and second down, then rush from the inside on third down. (That's free agent Demetric Evans's role from a year ago, and explains why the team hasn't even given him a lowball offer to this point)."


Actually, we've now come to learn that the reason the Skins did not offer Evans anything is b/c they were planning on moving Lorenzo Alexander into that role and it had nothing to do with Canty.


...but I'm still interested in seeing what Cork can come up with.

I mean, Cork is SOOOOOOOO knowledgeable about responsible capable reporting, so I expect him, as the Keeper of the Journalistic Flame, to be able to produce one instance of JLA's reporting that explains why he defends JLA like it's Bob Woodward breaking Watergate...

Posted by: p1funk | June 6, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you look up the numbers before you spout off? Rock Cartwright had 4 kickoff returns for 40+ yards last year. How many guys do you think had more than 4? Nine. So, he's tenth in the league, well "above average."

And if your goal is to "take one to the house" for a TD, how many times did that happen last year? 13. There were 256 games last year and in 13 of those games someone ran a KO back for a TD. That's not even once a week.

So, if Rock is a "sloth" lacking "breakaway speed" he's at least better than two-thirds of the returners in the league. There are definitely better guys out there, but only five have both a better return average (25.6 yards) and more than four 40+ yard returns.

I would say that by any measure, Rock is one of the team's strengths, not a position in need of an upgrade. But if you can actually look up some numbers to show me while I'm wrong, I'll keep an open mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 8:38 AM

Great point T_E.

Is why I say if the fella from Canada is the real deal he could be a real asset to the Offense.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 6, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

You know I am kinda new to this blog. Started posting here several months back.

The blogs here take on a life of there own very quickly. A lot of you insiders have running thoughts and I am sure that bloggers like myself are wondering what the hey is goins' on.

I can't wait to see if the in-season blogging is better, in that the game being the driving force for the blogging comments.

Right now, most of you stalwarts have so much knowledge in your heads about each other, it does not always translate to the page and is hard to follow.

So, when all you vets of the blog throw your tidbits at each other, keep us new guys in mind and 'coach us up a bit' as the ball coach might say.

I am not criticizing your blogs, just wish they were a bit more informative.

And it could be just me, just coming in out of season and not being familiar with the character of most bloggers.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | June 6, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Larry,

Think of it as a big jigsaw puzzle where you only have about a third of the pieces. Everyday you get a few more pieces. Then, one day, you'll be able to put the entire puzzle together. You'll say to yourself, "WTF? All that work for a picture of Leigh Torrence? I thought it would be the Redskins cheerleaders, butt naked. Damn."

If you haven't found it yet, we do have a Wiki that Chris Larry started to record some of the stuff:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/

No one has spent much time on it recently, but it will give you a few more pieces to the puzzle.

But, otherwise, isn't that just life in general? There's always a group of insiders everywhere and, over time, you become one. Except for Laron Landry, of course, who seems intent on remaining an outsider.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Last word here on Rock Cartwright. Last year there were 12 guys who returned kickoffs for TDs. But there were also 46 KO returns that resulted in fumbles. Seven of the 12 guys who returned one for a TD also fumbled at least once. Rock didn't fumble any KOs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

... is believed that Landry wants out of Washington.

Has he said anything publicly or leaked privately?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | June 5, 2009 4:21 PM

Landry has been seen in the area. He has not said anything publicly but leaked privately behind the dumpster at Sideline on his way out at 2:00 AM this morning.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see if the in-season blogging is better, in that the game being the driving force for the blogging comments.

There's a lot more screeching and crying.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 6, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry wants to leave?

LaRon Landry wants to stay?

Which is which?

Neither sentiment on his part matters as he's under contract, and if he is bluffing, well, the lawyers and fines for missed practices will set him straight.

This is the NFL silly season, and guys let their agents don them in clown outfits, and right now, Landry has his on.

And despite what he thinks about himself, he'd be hard-pressed to demand a new contract: in fact, if something is going on, it's his carving out before the skins management his desire to get paid after his rookie deal is done.

But anybody who watches the league knows it is awash in two positions: free safeties and linebackers.

The skins could go into the season with the likes of Mike Green, Chris Horton, and Kareem Moore playing safety and not miss a beat. Heck, the team could move F Smoot to strong safety and still be fomidable.

Ignore the coach? Blow off practices? Go your onw way?: sure, why not?

Just show up at the end of July, LaRon, 'cuz then, the redskins won't suffer clowns.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 6, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Just show up at the end of July, LaRon, 'cuz then, the redskins won't suffer clowns.

MistaMoe, there's someone on line 2 for you. Says his name is "Vinny the C."
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, there's someone on line 2 for you. Says his name is "Vinny the C."
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 6, 2009 11:41 AM

You must have meant "line toot" since judging by the quality of your postings on this blog both you and him be scarfing Gas-X by the box car.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1,

Great post in regards to "Soups" and his rankings vs the other QB's! He had a great 1st half prior to the OL "breaking down". I still believe he can be our franchise QB. If Dilfer can win a SB, so can Soups. He will take another step fwd this year.

Campbell and Cutler's avg passer rating, broken out by the defenses he played against.

Vs defenses ranked 1st-2nd (Bal, Pitt)
Campbell 54.8 (2 games)
Çutler n/a (0 games)

Vs defenses ranked 3rd-8th (jints, phil, dal)
Campbell 78.2 (6 games)
Cutler n/a (0 games)

Vs defenses ranked 9th-32nd
Campbell 99.6 (8 games)
Culter 86.0 (16 games)

Campbell had a 78.2 passer rating in the NFC East. How did the other NFC East QBs fare vs the Skins in 2008?

romo vs Skins 81.7
mcnabb vs Skins 74.5
manning vs Skins 74.8

On average, the QB rating vs the Skins in the NFC East is 77, essentially identical to Campbell's 78 rating.

The NFC East defenses were rated 3rd, 4th, 5th and 8th (jints, Skins, iggles, dal).

OK, so there it is. Versus similar quality defenses, Campbell's QB rating is 13 points higher than Cutler.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | June 6, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 6, 2009 11:41 AM

You must have meant "line toot" since judging by the quality of your postings on this blog both you and him be scarfing Gas-X by the box car.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 1:05 PM |

Hey, everybody, get you some popcorn and sit back -- Anton & Thunder are fixin' to go at each other. This should be a good one. Except it's Saturday and there's no one here to see it and maybe neither of them is still here to be it. Oh well, good excuse to pop some popcorn anyway.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had a 78.2 passer rating in the NFC East. How did the other NFC East QBs fare vs the Skins in 2008?

romo vs Skins 81.7
mcnabb vs Skins 74.5
manning vs Skins 74.8

On average, the QB rating vs the Skins in the NFC East is 77, essentially identical to Campbell's 78 rating.

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | June 6, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse


Can we please stop posting this misleading information? Can anyone give me a rational explanation as to why we would compare JC17's rating in the NFC East to the other QB's agains't the Redskins?

We see that JC17's rating agains't NFC East is 78, but here is the other QB's agains't NFC East, not just the Redskins:

Tony Romo = 91 Qb rating

Donovan McNabb = 89 Qb rating

Eli Manning = 74 Qb rating


Posted by: Vicc | June 6, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

antonchirugh

"...judging by the quality of your postings on this blog both you (Moe) and him be scarfing Gas-X by the box car."


You choose to criticize the quality of my postings by using the ungrammatical solecism, "...you and him be scarfing..."?

"..be scarfing.."?

What is up with that, sir?

Bro', you must have been 'line tootin' your way through the middle class ESOL English classes you somehow graduated from.

Perhaps, Anton, you are the member of some oppressed third world group of people who come to this country to cut grass and wash dishes for a living, not having a compete grasp of the language.

Please learn to conjugate the verb 'to be' before aiming your 'joke' (such as it was) at me.

And speaking of the gas you claim my posts dispense, I'll quote talent_evaluator and, "...I fart in your general direction...".

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow. AntonChigurh swings at thunder, but MistaMoe thinks that he's been hit in the eye. Saturday fights just take forever to develop.

Moe, Thanks for the quote, but that's actually TheTruth's line, although more than once it's been in my direction.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey mack, if you no like the RI bloggy then why you read?

Here's an idea: DON"T read this RI blog that you now hate so much. This will leave you more time to go over to NFL network and suck on JLC's jock to your heart's content. And if you are lucky maybe he bukkake you with his amazing insights, like how the 'Skins o-line is weak this year.

Enjoy!

Posted by: hithere1 | June 6, 2009 1:43 AM

Thanks for the advice. But here's the thing, because I want the unvarnished truth about my team, I'm more of a fan and much better a fan than you are. You see, if someone writes something negative about my team, I can take it. You on the other hand demand only the good news. You use info to make you feel better. You take any criticism whatsoever as a if someone kicked you in the vagina. You're soft and you're simple. It's easy to be a fan like you.

Posted by: mack1 | June 6, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay, now we gots two fights up here. Mack and hithere (is that Hi There or Hit Here?) are running 13 hours between whacks and Moe and Anton just took an hour. And it wasn't even Moe's fight so we don't know when thunder's going to step in and deliver a blow. What excitement, and it's only off season.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

OK TE, I've been sitting here with my popcorn and beer for four hours and no fights. What's up with that?! Next time I'll just wait on Red and the truth before I pop the popcorn, they never disappoint.

Guess I will have to settle for the Belmont Stakes...

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 6, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

OK TE, I've been sitting here with my popcorn and beer for four hours and no fights.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 6, 2009 5:39 PM

I finished my popcorn and beer about an hour and a half ago. I've had seconds. And you're sitting there looking at yours? I took you for a shrewder man than this, Curzon. I'll bet if it was tequila it would have been gone by now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Not as shrewd as I use to be, however, only the popcorn went untouched, the 12 pack is down to four beers which will be chasing the tequila now that you put that idea in my mind.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 6, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Conan has had a whole week of shows on his new gig, the Tonight Show, and so far I ain't seen hide nor hair of Triumph, the insult comic dog. Maybe he has been on and I missed him but if I don't see him and his crazy hat and gar soon I'm splitin'.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Chigurh, you're starting a fight with Conan?

Good grief, it will take him days to respond. He doesn't check the blog as much as he used to.

Hooray for slow fights.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 6, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for slow fights.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 6, 2009 6:21 PM

You're a patient man, Nate. The suspense is killing me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The Yankees set a major league record going 18 games without making an error and then a couple of games later make two that lead to two unearned runs in a 9-7 loss to TB. But the real problem is their relief pitching. Rivera is starting to show his age and break down. He gave up three earned runs against TB in the top of the ninth when the game was tied. He used to be money in those situations and unfortunately no one else in the pen is reliable.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

That guy only has 9 hours to respond then I'm calling myself the winner.

Posted by: mack1 | June 6, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

That guy only has 9 hours to respond then I'm calling myself the winner.

Posted by: mack1 | June 6, 2009 6:48 PM

Watch out. He might be reading some of the other blogs for a really snappy response. There's probably some really angry people on the Nats blog these days and he send some of them after you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"No, we are well above average. Rock Cartwright was 10th in the league for average kickoff return yardage for guys who returned 20 or more kickoffs last year. Carwright is not the problem, nor are kickoffs.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

True. It's the punting and the long FGs. But really, some fanz have reached the point where they're consuming their own brain tissue in an effort to figure out how to get the Skins back in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I'd sacrifice a few yards of field position on average if it meant getting just one or two TDs from the 'regular' returner during the season (meaning not Moss).Posted by: psps23"

I don't think I'd make that trade. That 'few yards on average' represents consistently good field position, and that's arguably part of the reason why Campbell threw so few INTs last year -- he wasn't backed up to his own end zone. Rock is beloved of coaches because he holds on to the ball and almost always winds up with a reasonably good field placement. Unless you're got Devin Hester back there, you can't count on much in the way of TDs of KO returns anyway.

What the team doesn't need is a speedster who's always trying to break a big one and winds up bringing the ball out when he shouldn't, or getting chased back towards his end zone.

That's for the punt returner.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 6, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Summer Bird.

And Mine That Bird as well, for finishing in the money in all three races.

P.S. T_e, it was a beautiful day. I went outside and enjoyed most all of it, then watched the Belmont.

No time for fighting on RI.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 6, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Conan is a different type of comedian than Leno. If it weren't for the Clintons, Bush, etc. Leno wouldn't have no material. But Conan showed that he can riff on the news too. He mentioned a news item about customers having sex in a Taco Bell restroom. He said when employees heard grunting and screaming noises coming out of the restroom they thought it was nothing out of the ordinary. Har, har, har.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | June 6, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What does a gay horse eat?

Posted by: toohoes | June 6, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

what does a gay horse eat..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukG6rcPhIwY

Posted by: frak | June 6, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 6, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

noonefromTampa,

If you wrote "test" then the blog is still working. No one else is, but the blog is.

If you wrote "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy gray dog" then the blog is broken.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 6, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Well I can finally post after 18 months and it happens right after Jasno leaves, makes wonder about conspiracies

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 6, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

or maybe ISP chanages IP addresses around

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 6, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so Jasno's influence extends all the way to ICANN? It really does go all the way to the top!

Posted by: daggar | June 6, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Nah, ICANN probably won't talk to him either, because he wouldn't explain why he wanted to block noone's IP

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 6, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Early Sunday AM post.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 7, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Hey mack, if you no like the RI bloggy then why you read?

Here's an idea: DON"T read this RI blog that you now hate so much. This will leave you more time to go over to NFL network and suck on JLC's jock to your heart's content. And if you are lucky maybe he bukkake you with his amazing insights, like how the 'Skins o-line is weak this year.

Enjoy!

Posted by: hithere1 | June 6, 2009 1:43 AM

Thanks for the advice. But here's the thing, because I want the unvarnished truth about my team, I'm more of a fan and much better a fan than you are. You see, if someone writes something negative about my team, I can take it. You on the other hand demand only the good news. You use info to make you feel better. You take any criticism whatsoever as a if someone kicked you in the vagina. You're soft and you're simple. It's easy to be a fan like you.

Posted by: mack1 | June 6, 2009 2:38 PM"

Hey Mack,

1) Eat me.

2) If you think that JLC gives the "unvarnished truth" (took a long time to type that phrase, I started laughing so hard!), then...well Jesus, I just don't know what to tell you. No wait, I do: why don't you read through T_E's great comments on the Steve Largent post about just how "great" JLC has been with providing insider info and...wait for it..."unvarnished truth" (!!) over the years here at RI.

3) Eat me.

Posted by: hithere1 | June 7, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why don't you look up the numbers before you spout off? Rock Cartwright had 4 kickoff returns for 40+ yards last year. How many guys do you think had more than 4? Nine. So, he's tenth in the league, well "above average."

And if your goal is to "take one to the house" for a TD, how many times did that happen last year? 13. There were 256 games last year and in 13 of those games someone ran a KO back for a TD. That's not even once a week.

So, if Rock is a "sloth" lacking "breakaway speed" he's at least better than two-thirds of the returners in the league. There are definitely better guys out there, but only five have both a better return average (25.6 yards) and more than four 40+ yard returns.

I would say that by any measure, Rock is one of the team's strengths, not a position in need of an upgrade. But if you can actually look up some numbers to show me while I'm wrong, I'll keep an open mind.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Talent Evaluator? The guy who runs his own business and refers to his employees as slaves and who likes to talk down to those with W-2s. I'll pretend you have some credibility remaining and push back on you some.

Rock is a top ten returner and you are satisfied with that. I'm not. Above average equates to 8-8 seasons...or a 9-7 season. I feel for your ability to manage and negotiate mediocrity. It's a plague that runs rampant among Skins fans. It has been two full seasons since Rock has taken one to the house. Is that above average too?

Rock is a standout special teams ace...his contributions on punt blocks and kick offs are unmatched...but he still lacks the breakaway speed / game changing ability for kick returns. I love it when he gets us to the 40+...but we need points. Our offense and schemes are too inept to score on their own. Everyone is in agreement that we need points from special teams and defense. Rock...has failed to do that in two seasons.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 8, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

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