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Largent says Zorn considered quitting

Forced to give up play-calling duties, Jim Zorn briefly considered resigning as Redskins coach, said Steve Largent, Zorn's friend, longtime teammate and former U.S. congressman.

"It's something that he thought about for a moment," Largent said in a telephone interview today with the Washington Post. "But just in his heart, he wasn't ready to give up. It's just not something that he would ever do. He has too much integrity and class. And he's a guy who just really loves the game. So I don't think that was ever a real serious option for him."

Largent says the frustration is wearing on Zorn, but that the coach is still committed and thinks he can win in Washington.

"It's not that Jim needs the money, the fame or anything else," said Largent, Zorn's Seahawks teammate from 1976-84. "This is the truth: Of all the guys I've ever met who coaches, I've never met anybody who loves to coach as much as Jim does. It's a passion that he has."

While Zorn has been careful with his words since team management installed Lewis as a play-caller, Largent spoke up on behalf of his friend on Wednesday, first in an interview with a Seattle radio station and later with the Washington Post.

"They've asked Jim to come in and win games in his first and second year with players that they put on the field and with coaches that he inherited. With few exceptions, that's the situation they've given him," said Largent, former Oklahoma congressman who is currently president and CEO for CTIA, a wireless communications lobbying group. "I don't think it's fair to judge Jim on the performance of this team at this point, when he has had to so little say in the composition of the team.

"He's as frustrated as anybody about what's happening with the team. He's frustrated with the whole situation. He wants to make it work, he thinks he can make it work. I don't personally feel like he's been given the time or the resources necessary."

Largent says he speaks with Zorn almost daily and stressed that his feelings about the organization weren't representative of Zorn's. "He's never said one negative thing about Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato, anything. That's the way he is," Largent said. "Going to play the cards he's dealt and go on. But I don't have to play that game. And I speak my mind."

Told of some of Largent's comments Wednesday, Zorn said, "That's probably his thoughts on the process. I don't really know what he said. Listen, friends, they kind of get fired up for friends. Well, I'm going to have to go bust him. I haven't talked to him in a while."

Among Largent's comments earlier in the day to KJR radio in Seattle:

-- "I don't know what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like, and I don't think Dan Snyder knows what a 'Dan Snyder coach' looks like. And that's fairly obvious now ahat he's been through about six head coaches in 10 years."

-- "The problem is Jim was hired as an offensive coordinator, by the way, not as a head coach, and then promoted to head coach the same offseason. And yet the coaching position that Jim was given, he was told who his coaches were going to be, he was told who his players were going to be. He didn't have any opportunities to go and seek and find players or coaches that he wanted to fill out on the team - with a couple of exceptions. He hired Sherman Smith and Stump Mitchell, those are the only two guys he hired when he came in his first year. He inherited everything he has to work with today, yet all the blame is being laid at his feet because he can't make them a Super Bowl champion. I could've told you two years ago, they don't have a Super Bowl-quality team. It doesn't matter how good a coach you are; you're not going to get there with the players the owners gives you."

-- "The formula that the Redskin owner and the Redskin general manager have for producing a winner on the field is not a winning formula, meaning they can't make all the decisions on the coaches and on the personnel and then just hire some guy from off the street to be head coach and win with what they put on the field. It doesn't work and that's been proven for 10 years in a row. And they had Joe Gibbs in here, a guy who went to many Super Bowls and he couldn't do it with the formula they gave him."

-- "The failure of the Redskins is not about Jim Zorn; the faiure of the Redskins starts above him, above his level. I tell you,

By Rick Maese  |  October 21, 2009; 5:21 PM ET
 
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If you ain't first, you're last....

Posted by: carocanesfan | October 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Posted by: crzyvgs | October 21, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

my comment was about what largent said by the way....

Posted by: crzyvgs | October 21, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Steve. Tell me what you REALLY think.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 21, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Amen Largent! You're thinking is in line with the rank & file Redskin fan.

Posted by: MississippiSkinsFan | October 21, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Absolute stupidity -- both quotes taken from this post

1. Largent says he speaks with Zorn almost daily

2. Zorn said, "I haven't talked to him (Largent) in a while."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 21, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I hate Danny Snyder and Vinny Cerato. They are snakes!!!

Posted by: mwill008 | October 21, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Go get him Jim!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 21, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

See, Steve Largent gets it, why can't Dan Snyder?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 21, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I know Largent is backing his boy, but some of the things he was saying related to last year. Zorn had this off season to add players he wanted on the team. He also has hired his on QB coach, DL coach, TE coach. So it's not like Zorn was completely blameless in this mess.

Posted by: TWISI | October 21, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

What does "SJK" stand for? Thanks!

Posted by: sjw1 | October 21, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

its nice to see the blame placed on the offenders instead of the players and coaches.

Even some fans have been reduced to blaming players and coaches instead of the FO. Those fans are playing right into the FOs hand.

I guess its the unbridled emotion that makes good fans into critical mini snyderratos.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 21, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Largent is entitled to his opinion, and no doubt he backs his buddy -- but he's way off base on some points.

1. Yes Zorn inherited a group of players. So does EVERY new coach except when a new franchise is born. If Zorn has little say in the composition of this team, it Zorn's fault. Zorn has a voice and he shouldn't have been afraid to use it.

2. Yes Zorn inherited coaches, especially on the defense, and the defense has worked. Zorn wasn't asked to come and coach the defense, he was here to change the offense. On offense, he got to select his key staff. Is Largent complaining that Zorn wanted to fire Joe Bugel but couldn't? If Zorn had a WR coach in mind, don't you think he could have gotten him?

Largent may be right about some things, but he misses on a few points by making excuses for Zorn that just don't hold up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 21, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

the details don't matter the point is the FO sucks and no one will succeed under this formula or lack thereof

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 21, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn didn't like it, he didn't have to take the job.
By the way he took over a playoff team.

Posted by: jmy999 | October 21, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

While I amnot a big fan of Zorn, I think everything Largent said is true.

No coach today can come into the situation Zorn did and expect to win. None.

What kills me is Snyder STILL doesn't get it. He really cannot be that dumb.

Seriously.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 21, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

here comes the ten game winning streak!!!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | October 21, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

its the FOs fault ok? Why are people picking apart Largents statements?

It Vinny and/or Dannys fault without any question

Zorn ad the skill players can't be evaluated behind this line

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 21, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

sjw, SJK replaces any swear word up here. It's short for "sorry, Jack's kids." This fellow Jack complained about the bad language a while back, since his kids read the blog, so we adopted the acronym SJK as a generic swear word replacement.

Examples of usage: "Dan Snyder is a motherSJKing piece of SJK, and he can go SJK himself with all these bullSJK moves he makes."

Is Steve Largent maybe available to have a word with our young WRs, perhaps, to impart some wisdom about how to run routes and catch passes in this league?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 21, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

From the last thread...back to back posts. I call bullsjk. If you know "beep beep" you know "SJK."
Probably 4th Floor, being a bama from his home computer. Bamafied Bamatastic Crybama.....


What does "SJK" stand for? Thanks!

Posted by: sjw1 | October 21, 2009 5:36 PM]

Beep beep

Posted by: sjw1 | October 21, 2009 5:41 PM]

Posted by: 4-12 | October 21, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Largent says Zorn considered quitting.
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Too bad he didn't follow through on it.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 21, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

By "bamafied bamatastic crybama," I mean to say that I'm remaining apathetic about this and all other issues relating to the Washington Prosfessional Football Franchise.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 21, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Look guys... a few years back, Steve Largent fingered me at a Halloween party... still, he makes a couple excellent points, and a few bad ones!
P.S. Jim Zorn was at that party and I saw Steve let Jim smell his fingers...

Posted by: noseman4681 | October 21, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse


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Red for God’s sake, come to Hollywood and become the new John Singleton. Black American always could use a new, raw, young black American Voice.--CORK

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Oh get over your own raw hood black self, Brotha. We’ll give you credit for stepping up the level of self-adulation here, tho….--CORK

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--RED

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“Y’all be easy…” --RED

Is that raw? Is that hood? -CORK

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Welcome to my world. You may be more middle of the road than you or your hip young black argot implies.

And remember, as always, we kid because we love.

Posted by: TheCork | October 21, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Beep beep again SJKers

Posted by: sjw1 | October 21, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Snyder gets it. Cerrato Gets it. But they are to stubborn to admit that the both of them have ran this franchise like a Coke machine. When you put your dollar in the machine and get a can of Coke, they fill the machine back up with some some old offbrand (Free Agents) in the machine instead of New Coke (Draft Picks).
But as long as we the fan's support the Redskins and spending money on (Tickets, jersey's, cap's, parking, refreshments at FedEx. Then we as Redskins fans can always expect the same from Snyder and Cerrato.
People (Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier etc..) have spoken about how nice Snyder is, how much he wants the team to win, etc, etc. BS! Snyder only cares about one thing $$$$$$$$MONEY$$$$$$$$ and nothing else. If he had some testical fortitude he wouldn't be hiding all the time. Honestly I think he's DRUNK WITH POWER and OUT OF HIS MIND not to know that we the Redskins Fans were here before he was a thought and will be here after his sorry @#$% is gone!
Hurt Snyder in the pocket, boycott the game, boycott the jersey sales, boycott anything that puts money in his greedy bulging pockets. Then and only then will we see him get it or leave. Me personally I hope he does the leaving part like yesterday.

HAIL TO REDSKINS FOR OVER 50 YEARS A FAN!

Posted by: butche106 | October 21, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree with what Largent is saying about Snyder, Cerrato and the Redskins organization. Be he also should be forthright and candid about the fact that Zorn is pathetically way over his head as both a play caller and a head coach. Zorn’s teams look unprepared and unmotivated. Period.

IMO there are numerous other coaches that could have taken the Redskin’s current personnel in the first 6 games we've played and would be at 4-2, possibly 5-1 versus the 2-4 at which we find ourselves. Does anyone remember Gregg Williams? I don't envision his teams losing all 3 games to the likes of Detroit, Carolina and Kansas City.

I'm not a Zorn hater, he appears to be a very nice man, albeit a bit too spacey IMO to discipline, prepare and motivate an NFL team. I think he should go back to tutoring QBs. That really appears to be his wheelhouse / forte.

Posted by: SkinsKen | October 21, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The Best quote from Largent that the post left out was:

"To think that you can bring a guy in from a retirement center who is pulling out Ping-Pong balls in the bingo games -- and literally, that is what he was doing in Detroit -- bring him down here for two weeks and say, 'You are going to call the plays for the next game against the Philadelphia Eagles, a division opponent, on Monday Night Football,' and think that is going to be successful, that is a joke."

A MORE ACCURATE STATEMENT HAS NEVER BEEN SPOKE

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | October 21, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Even a stupid Conservative Republican gets it and Snyderrato does not!!! How stupid are you when your more idiotic than a right wing politician!!!

P.S. Fire Snyderrato!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | October 21, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Those attending the game on Monday night should chant for the entire game "WE WANT COOKE!" "WE WANT COOKE!"............

.....and for a change maybe alternate it with "VINNY, YOU'RE NEXT!"

Think they'll get a clue? Nah.

Posted by: Ireland2 | October 21, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse


I think we all know that the best possible result for the Redskins this year would be to lose each and every remaining game.

I'm not talking the draft picks "we're" gonna get.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 21, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Steve! AMen! Man, we need someone like Steve in the front office :/

Posted by: Veretax | October 21, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

So if Zorn is considered an Offensive guy and the only two Coaches he brought in were his two top offensive guys with the two top positions for the offense.

SOOOOO??? How does Steve's comments make sense..Blaming others for the offensive woes is not right considering it's Zorn, Smith and mitchell who run the offense and that is what the problem mainly is isn't it? The offense?

Making claims as steve did would be correct if its wasn't the offense with the problem.

Posted by: leevi98 | October 21, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

dmorgan6617 says


See, Steve Largent gets it, why can't Dan Snyder?

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I totally disagree. Daniel Snyder does get it. He gets paid everytime we, the fans buy the hype. Daniel Synder's Redskins is the second highest revenue generaing franchise in the NFL. He was first until recently.

We, the fans, don't get it. He advertise, we buy but don't get the product (The superbowl). He advertises again. we buy again and agian and again (without receiving the product). As long as Daniel Snyder can sell just hype and we, the fans continue to buy it - We would never get the product, The Superbowl. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

The Superbowl requires hat Daniel Snyder give up the power to a GM and give up the hype.

But that will never happen without the majority of fans demanding and willing to wait for it.

My assessment is that fans are not willing to wait the two - to- three years it takes to build a real team. So ---
BVecause we are not willing to wait for the meat to cok fully; we will keep getting just the gravy.

Posted by: rebuildredskins | October 21, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Rebuildredskins, you are correct. I am a Skins fan living in Dallas and the Redskins are now a national punchline, a disgrace. People in Dallas have complained that Jerry Jones needs to stop being a GM here, but now they see how good they have it. Jerry did win 3 super bowls and he did play the game and won a national championship as a player, so he's got some credibility there.

The difference is Jerry gets on the radio down here. He has a weekly show and he is a MAN about it. I hear Kornheiser comment about how Snyder is embarrassed for Redskins fans.....what a little piece of SKJ! Man up and stop hiding in your Ivory tower. The guy is all about money, so everyone should be offended by that comment when he is suing long time ticket holders when he has made $800 million on paper with this franchise.

I am watching Monday night, and I expect to hear "Sell the Team"! Chant. And I want the national audience to see Snyder leave his box again like last week.

Posted by: jambajuice | October 21, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Rebuildredskins, you are correct. I am a Skins fan living in Dallas and the Redskins are now a national punchline, a disgrace. People in Dallas have complained that Jerry Jones needs to stop being a GM here, but now they see how good they have it. Jerry did win 3 super bowls and he did play the game and won a national championship as a player, so he's got some credibility there.

The difference is Jerry gets on the radio down here. He has a weekly show and he is a MAN about it. I hear Kornheiser comment about how Snyder is embarrassed for Redskins fans.....what a little piece of SKJ! Man up and stop hiding in your Ivory tower. The guy is all about money, so everyone should be offended by that comment when he is suing long time ticket holders when he has made $800 million on paper with this franchise.

I am watching Monday night, and I expect to hear "Sell the Team"! Chant. And I want the national audience to see Snyder leave his box again like last week.

Posted by: jambajuice | October 21, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

didnt zorn know these things before he took the job?also he hired his own oc,and asst hc off,qb assitant,says he loves buges,hired a couple of other inexperince asst [te,d line].he also said the skins had the talent.these same players went 6-2.hes made bone head move after bone head move,so he has his share of the blame,i dont feel sorry for him,dont let the door hit you on the way out,you lay down with dogs,you wake up with them.

Posted by: DLESMonday | October 21, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

didnt zorn know these things before he took the job?also he hired his own oc,and asst hc off,qb assitant,says he loves buges,hired a couple of other inexperince asst [te,d line].he also said the skins had the talent.these same players went 6-2.hes made bone head move after bone head move,so he has his share of the blame,i dont feel sorry for him,dont let the door hit you on the way out,you lay down with dogs,you wake up with them.

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Everybody wanted Norv's head and got it. Marty was was unceremoniously dismissed after getting some momentum..I think we all scratched our head after that.. Spurrier was a splash, but I think we all held our breath and that failed...Gibbs 2.0 was as good as you couls expect, but the guy didn't even honor his contract and left a year early.....hmmmm questions? Zorn all that was available, and he even considered quitting. Mr. Snyder: "Sell this team!!!!!!"

Posted by: jambajuice | October 21, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

You won't be hearing any "Sell the Team" chant on Monday, because they'll all be Eagles fans.

Posted by: info42 | October 21, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Largent's quotes from the Washington Times:

*"I don’t know what a Dan Snyder coach looks like and I don’t think Dan Snyder knows what a Dan Snyder coach looks like. That’s fairly obvious now as he’s been through six head coaches in 10 years. The problem is that, Jim was hired as an offensive coordinator and then promoted to head coach and yet, the coaching position that Jim was given, he was told who his coaches were going to be, he was told who his players were going to be, he didn’t have any opportunity to go, seek and find players and coaches that he wanted to fill out the team with a couple of exceptions."

*"He inherited everything that he has to work with today and yet all the blame is being laid on his feet because he can’t make them Super Bowl champions, which I could have told you two years ago – they don’t have a Super Bowl-quality team so it doesn’t matter how good a coach you are – you’re not going to get there with the players the owner gives you."

Largent's an overrated bum who doesn't deserve to be in the HOF anyway.

Zorn hired all of the key offensive coaches on the staff: Sherman Smith, Chris Meidt, and Stump Mitchell. The only coaches he didn't hire were the defensive coaches. Should we even compare the two units?

As far as him "inheriting everything he has to work with today", Largent should be reminded that his boy inherited a playoff team.

We know the FO sucks, but his boy Zoron is just as bad.

Posted by: dcwun | October 21, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Largent an overrated bum? even if you didn't agree with what he said, the guy could catch a cold in July. that's just ignorant.

Posted by: eak250 | October 21, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Cut the crap Danny. You call the f--in plays. You know you want to. You are already drafting our players. Your racketball buddy and frequent dinner date is making it look like you don't, but the fans know better. Give it a shot.

I am so happy Zorn didn't step down. I want you to really screw things up more. How about we hire Tom Cable after he gets out of jail. He might want to sign a contract similar to Zorn's that say the coach must do what the owner wants and say it was his own idea.

I hope the league decides to take the frachise away from you for conduct detrimental to the league. We need an owner like John Kent Cooke. He is a decent man. Unlike you and your first partner to purchase the Skins, Howard Milstein.

Posted by: donsilvester | October 22, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

We should hire Largent to be the coach....then promote him to GM a few days later.

Posted by: original_mark | October 22, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

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