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LaRon Landry has toe surgery

Safety LaRon Landry, coming off a disappointing 2009 season, underwent successful toe surgery recently and is expected to be ready for the start of training camp, two people familiar with the procedure said Wednesday.

The surgery was performed in North Carolina on June 23, the team sources said. Landry was slowed for more than a month of the Redskins' offseason program because of what Coach Mike Shanahan described as "soreness."

Attempts to contact Landry were unsuccessful. Tony Wyllie, the Redskins senior vice president, said the team had no comment.

Landry should be able to join the Redskins when they open camp July 29 at Redskins Park, the sources said. The three-year veteran has added muscle in anticipation of his move from free safety to strong safety this season.

Although Landry's toe problems sidelined him for much of Shanahan's first offseason program in Ashburn, he was at the complex many days and appeared generally upbeat about the new 3-4 defensive scheme, several of his teammates said recently. Landry previously had preferred to train on his own, but the new defensive staff, under the direction of coordinator Jim Haslett, strongly encouraged Landry to show up daily and lead by example.

By Jason Reid  |  July 14, 2010; 6:01 PM ET
 
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Comments

Great.

Posted by: rmcazz | July 14, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It's a bionic toe.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 14, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

toe issues can end careers.. look at deion two toe sanders.. his toes never healed..

Posted by: cboyhater | July 14, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

This is a big year LL. I think he will not disappoint us as he did last year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 14, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

We'll see in training camp and preseason. The toe knows ! If he can plant and turn. Good luck to LL. !!! HAIL! !!!!!!!!

Posted by: killerskunk63 | July 14, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I don't get how guys like scamp and pfunk are so down on Landry...dude has played 3 years, about 2 1/2 of which were out of position. Judge the guy after 2010 when he's had a chance to play in a defense that A) will be aggressive and B) put him in a position to play to his strengths. He may or may not live up to his draft status but I think the guy can be a solid player if he's coached up properly.

I mean, Sean Taylor didn't really come into his own until his third year and he had Gregggg Williams. Landry's had the Bizarro Greg the last two years...let's see what he can do with Haslett before we stick him in the "bust" category.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Just another excuse for Laron's JC Syndrome

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

don't get how guys like scamp and pfunk are so down on Landry...dude has played 3 years, about 2 1/2 of which were out of position. Judge the guy after 2010 when he's had a chance to play in a defense that A) will be aggressive and B) put him in a position to play to his strengths. He may or may not live up to his draft status but I think the guy can be a solid player if he's coached up properly.

I mean, Sean Taylor didn't really come into his own until his third year and he had Gregggg Williams. Landry's had the Bizarro Greg the last two years...let's see what he can do with Haslett before we stick him in the "bust" category.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:50 PM |

Please, how can you not be? Did you read the list of reason's I gave?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope it's not one of his big toes, that's the money toe.

Posted by: Rod5 | July 14, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree Landry has left a lot to be desired especially given where he was drafted, but the dude is only three years in and was the best safety last year. Dude had his gaffes here and there but also made plays last year. (Peeps are, like always, wanting to only focus on the negative) But like brown26 pointed out, it took Sean Taylor to get it together -- about three years. At the time of his untimely death Taylor was emerging as one of the top 3 safeties in the league.

I agree. Lets give the guy one more year before we label him as an unsalvageable bust and start calling for his all out release.

Here to hoping the Laron doubters are wrong. No, not because I want to be right, but if he does well then we all sip B&G kool-aid, ya heard?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 14, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Lets give the guy one more year before we label him as an unsalvageable bust and start calling for his all out release.

Here to hoping the Laron doubters are wrong. No, not because I want to be right, but if he does well then we all sip B&G kool-aid, ya heard?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 14, 2010 7:09 PM

Not calling him unsalvageable. I want dearly for him to succeed. God knows he has all the potential in the world. He has, as of yet, not played up to his ability. Here's to hoping it's all in the coaching. God also knows that's been horrible.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Scamp and I are down on Landry b/c he hasn't played all that well - and has looked down-right atrocious a times.

Frankly, the burden is entirely on him to live up to his draft status and hype, the burden is not on the "doubters" to explain themselves.

Sean Taylor never went through the kinds of struggles we've seen from LL30. He never whiffed tackles the way we've seen LL on the regular, and he never had coverage breakdowns with the regularity we saw from LL.

LL30 had a nice break-in to the league - being carried by his athleticism and the cover that Sean Taylor provided in the secondary. Once teams got some game tape on him, he became pretty easy to exploit, and quite frankly, has looked like he's regressed in terms of tackling fundamentals.

By the way, he is NOT returning to his "traditional" position of being an around-the-LOS strong safety. It's been mentioned several times that the safeties in Haslett's schemes are interchangeable and both safeties need to learn all the assignments. He's apparently going to be expected to perform "free safety" duties just as much as "strong safety" duties.

Good luck...

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

i generally agree w/ brownwood on this ive always felt landry has big plays in him and we are just waiting to see them, like in ST21's first preseason game he had 2 picks and 1 to the house in Canton, OH, go figure, and you knew he was a beast playmaker then, landry against the titans in his first preseason game crushed collins on that blitz and ever since then ive been waiting to see those plays and i really havent, its time to see it big l where you at?

Posted by: retroskins14 | July 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Knock the article and writer all you want but there is a lot of truth in the fact that the Redskins are lacking in young talent.

Landry and Thomas have been disappointing to this point. They have seen time and not shown much. There is nothing to call them but flops at this point. It does not mean that they can't turn it around this year but they have not shown anything to give you confidence that they will.

It is going to be a painful rebuilding process in a year or two. Doesn't help that the team is without two mid round picks next year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

ive always felt landry has big plays in him and we are just waiting to see them, like in ST21's first preseason game...

Posted by: retroskins14 | July 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse


LL30 is not ST21. They are not in the same category. That's one of the mistakes that these coaches have made thinking he could just step in at FS and do what ST did.

In 3 seasons, Landry has 3 sacks, 3 ints and 4 forced fumbles...IN 3 FULL SEASONS!

ST had 4 ints, 2 FF and 1 sack IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR.

Landry does not make "big plays". What he has are "big hits" when he can actually connect; but big plays? No.

Shoot. In about the same # of games, Dawan Landry has blown away LL30 in terms of "big plays".

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Shoot. In about the same # of games, Dawan Landry has blown away LL30 in terms of "big plays".


Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 7:58 PM


I get your point that's a pretty unfair comparison. One Landry played for Rex Ryan. The other played for the coaching equivolent of a tyrannosaurus rex. I'd bet my next paycheck that if LL30 played in Baltimore or New York (Jets), he'd look like a top flight NFL safety. I mean, if Rex can make undrafted guys like Bart Scott and Jim Leonhard into bona fide playmakers (and don't forget Dawan Landry was just a 5th round pick), I'm sure he could make LL30 into a baller as well.

I'm not trying to make LL into something he's not...I only used ST as a point of reference, not a head-to-head comparison. All I'm saying is let's not return a verdict on LL until he's had a chance to play for a good NFL coaching staff. If we're going into 2011 or 2012 having this same discussion, I'll be right up front with you and scamp leading the charge to get Dirty 30 outta D.C. Until then, I'm willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Rush Limbaugh on Steinbrenner: 'That cracker made a lot of African-American millionaires'.


Mr. Limbaugh himself helped many an illegal pill selling African American dope peddler achieve their own success, so, I guess, he found in Mr. Steinbrenner a positive role model to ape.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Jessie Armstead

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 14, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Blache used essentially the same scheme that Gregg Williams implemented. The same scheme that turned ST21 into a big-time playmaker. I don't think Landry holds a candle to ST21 in terms of ability, but the point is that you can't blame the scheme. That scheme is designed to let the FS make plays; Landry wasn't shackled or handcuffed. He's simply been unable to step up to the plate and actually make the plays.

It would be nice if Landry rounds out to be a consistent baller...I don't even need him to be a Pro-Bowler again; just a guy who is going to make the tackle when it comes his way and can be competent enough in coverage not to get picked on.

People put out arbitrary numbers to say that you can't judge an NFL player until X years have passed. Whatever, everyone draws that line in a different place, and you are free to draw it where you please. I wouldn't be surprised if Landry doesn't impress this season, and then we hear a chorus of voices saying that he needs another year to get comfortable in the scheme to really judge him - the JC syndrome.

So far it's been a disappointing run for LL30. It's not just that he's failed to live up to his draft hype/status as the #6 overall pick and the top defensive player in that draft - it's that he looks like he's actually regressed in 3 years.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"LL30 is not ST21."


This goes without saying.

But I can't wait to see the Polamalu-lite usage the new scheme puts LL through.

LL as a run stuffing, blitzing, in-the-box safety will allow him to reach all kinds of crazy potential.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

But I can't wait to see the Polamalu-lite usage the new scheme puts LL through.

LL as a run stuffing, blitzing, in-the-box safety will allow him to reach all kinds of crazy potential.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse


Troy Polamalu is a BEAST in coverage.

In 2008 - his last full season - Polamalu had 7 ints and 17 passes defended. When Polamalu was injured last season, it was the absence of his coverage in the secondary that led to many Steeler collapses when guys like Bruce Gradkowski were able to lead comebacks.

Polamalu is EXACTLY what this scheme calls for - a true hybrid safety that can play both SS and FS assignments.

LL30 is not that...I don't think he'll ever be that.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

p1funk-

Blache's scheme was nothing like Greggggg's. This is an old argument that is tired even for this blog. The only common denominator between the two is that they were both fired. I'm pretty sure TWISI has an old link to break it down for you.

Also explain to me how a guy is supposed to make plays playing 30 yds off of the line of scrimmage. I'm not defending LL, just saying Blache was overmatched as a D coordinator.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope that laron proves me wrong this year - but in the end i think he will continue to be just a solid player,unspectacular, alot of talent...but never living up to his expectations as a high draft pick...or his salary for that matter. I wish him well for us diehards sake, but I don't know. I think he's a bit overrated. He wants to be like ST but he ain't.

Posted by: scottmando | July 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"LL30 is not that...I don't think he'll ever be that (like Polamalu)."

That's why I said, "...Polamalu-lite.."

I know he's not as good as Troy, trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"Landry does not make "big plays". What he has are "big hits" when he can actually connect; but big plays? No."

To be fair, no one was making big plays in this defense last year.

Also, Blache ran a shell of Greggg's defense. It was way stripped down and simplified with less blitz packages and far less creativity.

With that said, dude played some bad, undisciplined football last year. Here's hoping some of that was on the coaching and overall circus atmosphere. Whatever the case, some of his quotes about "playing his game" didn't inspire confidence in his own professionalism.

Laron hasn't been that good, but I'd give him one more year to show us something. Dude needs to step up this year and make a name for himself.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 14, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Lets give the guy one more year before we label him as an unsalvageable bust and start calling for his all out release.

Here to hoping the Laron doubters are wrong. No, not because I want to be right, but if he does well then we all sip B&G kool-aid, ya heard?

Posted by: RedDMV |

His bro took a while to arrive in Balmore. I think he stands to be the person most likely to benefit from a new defensive scheme.

For whatever reason, his centerfield safety usage didn't make the best of his skill sets.

My concern is he gets asked to pee in a cup. He is cut like nobody's business. I certainly hope he did it the old fashioned way.

Posted by: TheCork | July 14, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"Blache used essentially the same scheme that Gregg Williams implemented. The same scheme that turned ST21 into a big-time playmaker. I don't think Landry holds a candle to ST21 in terms of ability, but the point is that you can't blame the scheme. That scheme is designed to let the FS make plays; Landry wasn't shackled or handcuffed. He's simply been unable to step up to the plate and actually make the plays."

Well, the premise is probably incorrect. Blache kept the basic structure of the defense, true. But he colored it vanilla. Blache's oft-quoted objection to the Gregg Williams' approach was that it was overcomplicated, required too much study, and forced the defender to think rather than simply react. It's a valid complaint in some ways, but in hindsight it looks like the complexity might have been the key to the turnovers, because the Blache model didn't produce many, even with a force like Albert Haynesworth added. You can see what Williams was able to do in New Orleans with no more talent. Losing Sean Taylor would hurt any defense,and Blache's was no exception. Still, Blatche, who was so aggressive in Chicago, seemed to reverse field completely once he got the reins in Washington.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 14, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm holding off judging LL30 a bust until I see him play a year in his more natural position. He's sure not worth that first round pick (Vinny!) but at this point he's less of a bust than #'s 11 and 12. If we're giving them one more year (again) then LL has more than earned the same.
It says something about the last ten years that "who's a bigger bust?"is a popular debate topic on RI.

Posted by: mack1 | July 14, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

mack1

"It says something about the last ten years that "who's a bigger bust?"is a popular debate topic on RI."


What's even sadder is that after ten years, Fred Davis and Chris Colley are the only offensive playermakers we've drafted and groomed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I mean 'Cooley'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Carl Banks anyone?

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse


I'll Leonard Marshall your Carl Banks!

Posted by: monk811 | July 14, 2010 5:54 PM

Calvin Muhammad! Booyah!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Reporter needs to do some digging on this one and find out what Landry had done on his toe. By "toe surgery" you mean ingrown toenail removed, then yeah he'll be back for camp. Beyond that, there arent too many toe surgeries that he would have had that would allow him to be back at full speed in one month, especially if it involved his big toe. I doubt he was in Charlotte to get an ingrown nail taken care of.

Posted by: asnis715 | July 14, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

this link is awesome. story of george allen's first year as coach by nfl films. if it's been posted before, sorry. if you haven't seen this, check it out!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d819131f6/article/lost-treasures-inside-allens-first-season-as-redskins-coach

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 14, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

uhh, that's first year as redskins' coach...

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 14, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Late to the party today. So many things to comment on (shocking for July).

The Fat Albert statement from his trainer is just the next line in "The Script". Nothing has changed. He still wants off the Skins. He still wants to keep all the money. This is just to get his name back in the media just as things are getting quiet. He's trying to drum up trade intrest from other teams. I am still convinced that he will not be a Redskin at the start of the season. Hopefully the Vikings' DTs will be suspended. I'm Sure Fat Albert would love to go there, and they might be desperate enough to give decent trade value.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 14, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm holding off judging LL30 a bust until I see him play a year in his more natural position. He's sure not worth that first round pick (Vinny!) but at this point he's less of a bust than #'s 11 and 12. If we're giving them one more year (again) then LL has more than earned the same.
It says something about the last ten years that "who's a bigger bust?"is a popular debate topic on RI.

Posted by: mack1 | July 14, 2010 9:47 PM |

Less of a bust? How do you figure? Landry was taken 6th overall while the twins went in round 2. Kelley even missed a year and Laron has one more year in the league than both of them. I'd say he is way more of a bust to this point. I'd say flop is a better description than bust. Bust indicates done and gone which he isn't...yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Bring on Brian Westbrook. I have no doubts that he will be at full speed performance-wise. None of our backs has his unique skill set and he would be a great compliment to what we already have. Having him, Cooley, and Davis on the field in a two TE, 1RB formation will force opposing teams to bring their coverage closer to the LOS. That should open things up for the WRs downfield.

I also think it would be good for our Red Zone offense (a big problem under Zorn). Westbrook, Morris, Cooley, Davis, and one of our big WRs would make it tough to cover the whole field in Red Zone passing situations.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 14, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

"You want a toe? I can get you a toe, believe me. There are ways, Dude. You don't wanna know about it, believe me."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 14, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I am waiting until this season to reserve judgement on Landry. It's three years later and we're still feeling the repercussions from the loss of Taylor and our lack of a quality true FS since then. I thought Landry showed promise during his rookie year. The last two years he was playing at a position he wasn't idealy suited for, and in a not particularly complicated or agressive scheme. I want to see how he does in Haslet's D before I call him a flop.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 14, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 14, 2010 11:39 PM

"Hell, I can get you a toe by three o’clock this afternoon, with nail polish. Fnckin’ amateurs."

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 15, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

They're all pretty disappointing so far scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | July 15, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

They're all pretty disappointing so far scamp.

Posted by: mack1 | July 15, 2010 12:16 AM |

Except for Orakpo, Davis, Cooley, and Fletcher. I really can't think of any other starters from the last 2 years I would want on my team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 15, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Young guys with potential
T williams. I wanted okung but well see, hopefully I'm wrong.
D thomas. Hopefully he can be a starter, 2nd option.
M kelly. Doubt hell be with us followin this season.
D Morris. Best highlight reel on youtube I've ever seen.
Austin. Pr/kr we needed help here for a while
P Riley. Lb/ depth at best don't see him as a starter.
Capers. Hoping he can develop on the line for a while

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

ST21 can not be replaced.

He was unlike any other player.

Our d hasn't been the same without him.

I was 15 % for Berry.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

They need to forget about his toe and find a surgical procedure to remove his head from his ass. He gives up two big plays a game against any team with a high-powered passing attack by screwing-up the coverage on the same double move...you need a better excuse than a sore toe for that sh't.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 15, 2010 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Blache used essentially the same scheme that Gregg Williams implemented. The same scheme that turned ST21 into a big-time playmaker. I don't think Landry holds a candle to ST21 in terms of ability, but the point is that you can't blame the scheme. That scheme is designed to let the FS make plays; Landry wasn't shackled or handcuffed. He's simply been unable to step up to the plate and actually make the plays.

It would be nice if Landry rounds out to be a consistent baller...I don't even need him to be a Pro-Bowler again; just a guy who is going to make the tackle when it comes his way and can be competent enough in coverage not to get picked on.

People put out arbitrary numbers to say that you can't judge an NFL player until X years have passed. Whatever, everyone draws that line in a different place, and you are free to draw it where you please. I wouldn't be surprised if Landry doesn't impress this season, and then we hear a chorus of voices saying that he needs another year to get comfortable in the scheme to really judge him - the JC syndrome.

So far it's been a disappointing run for LL30. It's not just that he's failed to live up to his draft hype/status as the #6 overall pick and the top defensive player in that draft - it's that he looks like he's actually regressed in 3 years.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 9:03 PM


I think a few others up here have touched on the fact that Blache was running the same scheme as Williams, just a very vanilla version of it. He showed us exactly what happens when you take the aggression out of the Williams defense and the results are no better than mediocre.

Either way, Blache misused the available talent. That's why you think LL30 regressed...his first year he played pretty well with Williams calling the defense and it's been Blache ever since. The FS maybe the guy they set up to make plays, but if you're playing a SS in that spot the results won't be the same. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why he thought playing Orakpo at LB was a good idea. That's just borderline retarded if you're not running a 3-4.

And let's just stop with the "JC syndrome" stuff...JC had every reason to fail here and did fairly well in spite of it. That while playing the toughest position on the field. Playing safety ain't playing QB...for LL30 half the battle is lining up right, being where he's supposed to be, and making the tackles when they're there.

This is a coaching-driven league. Even Randy Moss was neutralized by bad coaching in Oakland. With coaches using him properly, I still think LL can be at least a solid starter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's a breakdown of the Class of '08 on redskins.com:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins__2008_Draft_Class_Faces_a_Pivotal_Year_129225.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Seems a bit rosy, eh? "Chad Rhinehart was just establishing himself as a starter when he went down with a broken fibula"? Devin Thomas's starting role is his to lose?

Also, it took me a second to realize the African American Marlon Brando look-alike in the upper right hand corner was actually Donovan McNabb. Anyone care to guess HIS weight?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 15, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse


Here's a breakdown of the Class of '08 on redskins.com:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins__2008_Draft_Class_Faces_a_Pivotal_Year_129225.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Seems a bit rosy, eh? "Chad Rhinehart was just establishing himself as a starter when he went down with a broken fibula"? Devin Thomas's starting role is his to lose?

Also, it took me a second to realize the African American Marlon Brando look-alike in the upper right hand corner was actually Donovan McNabb. Anyone care to guess HIS weight?

Posted by: RomoLongballs

No rookie sensations led to no sophomore jinx. These guys don't perform and do well, then Ceratto's and $nyder's classs of "08" is one of the biggest bust in Redskins draft history.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

he hurt it running down 95 chasing those saints receivers that worked the talk-a-holic like a speed bag last year. he could not cover that ox reared Hillary in a phone booth.

Posted by: doyouktt | July 15, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

RL, it's the business of redskins.com to blow sunshine up our butts...it's what they do. But I will say that if Rinehart brings it in training camp, he does have a solid shot at that now wide-open RG spot.

Plus the starting WR really IS Thomas' to lose. I mean, who else are we gonna put out there...87 year-old Joey Galloway?

Not sure what you're talking about with McNabb...he's not on that page and he's always been a bit thick. Dude is 6'2" and normally plays at about 240 lbs, so that's not exactly small...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

No wonder AH and DHall are such good friends...from PFT:

DeAngelo Hall, Packers assistant listed as tax delinquents
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 15, 2010 7:15 AM ET
The local paper in Northampton County, Virginia has published a list of the county's biggest delinquent taxpayers, and a couple of NFL names made the cut.

Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall is listed as owing more than $6,000 in delinquent real estate taxes, while Packers defensive backs coach Darren Perry and his wife are listed as owing more than $14,000 in real estate taxes and close to $3,000 in delinquent personal property taxes.

Neither Hall nor Perry responded when the paper tried to contact them.

The story on Hall and Perry marks the second time this week we've noted a story about an NFL tax delinquent; on Monday we passed along a report that former NFL receiver Koren Robinson is the third-worst tax delinquent in North Carolina.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Blache used essentially the same scheme that Gregg Williams implemented. The same scheme that turned ST21 into a big-time playmaker. I don't think Landry holds a candle to ST21 in terms of ability, but the point is that you can't blame the scheme. That scheme is designed to let the FS make plays; Landry wasn't shackled or handcuffed. He's simply been unable to step up to the plate and actually make the plays.


Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 9:03 PM


I think a few others up here have touched on the fact that Blache was running the same scheme as Williams, just a very vanilla version of it. He showed us exactly what happens when you take the aggression out of the Williams defense and the results are no better than mediocre.

Either way, Blache misused the available talent. That's why you think LL30 regressed...his first year he played pretty well with Williams calling the defense and it's been Blache ever since. The FS maybe the guy they set up to make plays, but if you're playing a SS in that spot the results won't be the same. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why he thought playing Orakpo at LB was a good idea. That's just borderline retarded if you're not running a 3-4.

And let's just stop with the "JC syndrome" stuff...JC had every reason to fail here and did fairly well in spite of it. That while playing the toughest position on the field. Playing safety ain't playing QB...for LL30 half the battle is lining up right, being where he's supposed to be, and making the tackles when they're there.

This is a coaching-driven league. Even Randy Moss was neutralized by bad coaching in Oakland. With coaches using him properly, I still think LL can be at least a solid starter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 5:31 AM
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I think both of you make some fine points, here. My feeling is Landry was put into a position where he had to "be" Sean Taylor. Landry just isn't the same type of player. Taylor could play as a long safety from sideline to sideline. Some of this was intuition, some just fine athletic ability, but whatever magic ingredients went into ST's game, Landry just doesn't have the same ingredients. Blache did run a scheme similar to Greg Williams, but Blache started to be real conservative after his players showed they didn't have the abilities. He had the corners play off the line of scrimmage. He moved the middle linebacker back. He didn't use many stunts or overloads to keep the QB guessing where the pass rushers were. The thing that puzzles me most is that in the midst of all of this "watering down" of the defense, he rarely moved the strong safety back to help out in coverage. Horton, and then later Doughty, amassed a lot of big tackles within five yards of the LOS which was great in run support, but left Landry back there on an island. The scheme will make Landry better this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Browny, I guess that's true about DT, but it just seems silly to say that about someone who had 25 catches for 325 yards last year. I'm just hoping he fills the receiving void left behind by our much vilified #2 from last year, El Randle, which would DOUBLE DT's yardage production. Scary thought.

Damn, I check the site again and the pic is gone. It's an ad for CSN "follow the offseason". He's wearing a grey suit and his face is in the shadows sporting a bald scalp. The only thing missing is the cat in his lap and a cigar.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 15, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Once again hess drinking the haterade...hard to call a draft class bust when A) it's only played 2 years and B) 9 of the 10 picks are still here. You can't realistically make that call until 2011 at the absolute earliest.

And even if we could take '08 into account at this point, you're REALLY going out on the limb that it's "the biggest bust in Redskins draft history"??? The draft classes of 2003, 2002, and 1992 say hi...


Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Oops, it would double his catches.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 15, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

When is the supplemental draft today? When will we know if we took a shot at the nose tackle available - Joshua Price-Brent?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26
No wonder AH and DHall are such good friends...

You'd think making as much moola as these two make they'd hire an accountant to take care of their finances. You know, someone to keep their pockets straight.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Just one other thing to think about today: I was reading about Cedric Benson's latest snafu and it sounds like he is going to get his wrist smacked by Goodell. Given Cincy's lack of depth at running back, and considering that Larry Johnson is familiar with the Bengals offense, do you think it is possible the team could trade Johnson? This scenario would seem a lot more likely if Westbrook was on the roster, but I think it is worth thinking about....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

RL, the bar isn't too high to be a starter here...it's not like we're Arizona or something. You have Moss at WR. That's it. That's the list.

This will be a TE-driven passing offense, just like Shanahan had in Denver with Shannon Sharpe. As long as DT is able to stay healthy and get himself open, he should get at least 50 catches.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

A) it's only played 2 years
B) 9 of the 10 picks are still here
C) the coach was an overwhelming failure, and had no idea how to use his players.

Lets face it, we have NO IDEA what these guys can do or will do, NO IDEA...its almost like they've been redshirted and its their rookie year all over again....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

When is the supplemental draft today? When will we know if we took a shot at the nose tackle available - Joshua Price-Brent?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 7:57 AM

It's today with 2 guys possibly being selected, Unga and Price-Brent.

JPB is listed at 6-foot-2 and 315 pounds, he's a slow-footed plugger in the middle. He started 12 games for Illinois in 2009, totaling 29 tackles, seven tackles for loss, three sacks and three forced fumbles.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 15, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

This scenario would seem a lot more likely if Westbrook was on the roster, but I think it is worth thinking about....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 8:01 AM


It also seems a lot more likely if Vinny secretly got the GM gig in Cincy. Only the old Redskins regime would make a ridiculous panic move like that...

And you'll excuse me if I'm not interested in Brent Price...or Mark Price...or whatever the f*ck his name is. I'm a bit unimpressed by any NT that can only manage 22 reps in the bench press...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Good point Greg...I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if DT and Rinehart became solid starters immediately, based on the coaching change alone. But hey...it's hess we're talking about here, so I'm sure their development is stunted simply because "$nyder" is up in his office with his feet propped up on the desk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

You can't realistically make that call until 2011 at the absolute earliest.

You made my point with that comment brown. If you read my whole post I said if they don't do well, THEN this draft class will had been a bust. Where is the hate in my comments brown? Sorry, I don't sugarcoat anything, including draft classes. I think the biggest suprize might well be Rinehart, given a chance to sow up the RG position.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

If Landry doesn't get it together this season, then I'll up and co-sign with the skeptics, he needs to get gone.

But something tells me he'll be the best DB in 2010 and beyond...


brown, I don't think Moss scares anyone anymore. I know due to lack of talent at the receiver position Moss has seen as he puts it "cloud coverage", but at 31 years old you'd think this will be the year he speed may start to decline.

A 5'8" speed-less receiver is useless.

But who knows, maybe he has ageless speed like Darrell Green.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Hess, here you go:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Draft_History_1388.jsp

Now look at 1992, 2002, and 2003. I dare you craft an argument stating ANY way the 2008 draft class could possibly be worse than those drafts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Brent Price wasn't half the shooter Mark Price was.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 15, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

People have no clue the level of youg talent we have. Our offensive talent was coached by a guy named Jim Zorn with a POS QB running it, the D by an unaggressive old man. We have real coaches now, if they suck this year I'm on board with lableing them busts.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | July 15, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Red, I think Moss has enough left in the tank to at least get thru this year so I'm not worried about him...just making the point that Moss and Thomas are the starters at WR almost by default (unless we somehow make a deal for VJ or pick up TO).

All I know is that this year is going to be a huge deal at WR...if DT doesn't pan out, we'll literally have NOTHING going into 2011 because Moss is a FA (doubt he'll be back) and there's still many unanswered questions about the landscape of the NFL going into next season. If DT is even a solid starter, that's a big deal.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

while not WORLD Beaters, and I'm not making it into something its not, but MK/DT/FT, all 3 of them IMPROVED from year 1 to year 2.

Again, not making it into something great, but just pointing out that there was a statistical jump from all 3.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 15, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

But hey...it's hess we're talking about here, so I'm sure their development is stunted simply because "$nyder" is up in his office with his feet propped up on the desk...

It's comical how you've mentioned $nyder more the last week or so than I have. In fact, I haven't mentioned him for a while, unless he was the topic. So you can stop with the schtick and let's move on. Again, I offer you peace, unless you want to chastize me to death.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Draft_History_1388.jsp

Now look at 1992, 2002, and 2003. I dare you craft an argument stating ANY way the 2008 draft class could possibly be worse than those drafts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:21 AM

Taking a quick glance at the list going back to 1980, it seems that for the most part getting 2 quality starters makes a draft class. The 1981 class was a great class and the Skins lived off that class for years.

Posted by: TWISI | July 15, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

This is your quote from this morning, hess:

"No rookie sensations led to no sophomore jinx. These guys don't perform and do well, then Ceratto's and $nyder's classs of "08" is one of the biggest bust in Redskins draft history."

Yeah, you've laid off Snyder plenty...

And how conveniently you forget Chris Horton's rookie year with 3 INTs and a sack...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26
Now look at 1992, 2002, and 2003. I dare you craft an argument stating ANY way the 2008 draft class could possibly be worse than those drafts.

Sorry dude, I don't have the luxury of sitting in front of my computer all day seaching the internet for Redskin facts. I'm just a layman with an opinion. Personally, I think you take things to seriously. Again, that's just an opinion. No big deal.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26
I dare you craft an argument.

Sorry my man, but I don't want to argue, I'd like to read and respond. And I do mean read the whole post. I'm obviously not as well educated in all the manners you are, but we're trying our best. Peace out - Hess

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

His bro took a while to arrive in Balmore. I think he stands to be the person most likely to benefit from a new defensive scheme.

For whatever reason, his centerfield safety usage didn't make the best of his skill sets.

My concern is he gets asked to pee in a cup. He is cut like nobody's business. I certainly hope he did it the old fashioned way.

Posted by: TheCork

If I remember correctly Dawan started as a rookie and was actually in the running for DROY. He had 5 ints. In his third season he suffered a neck injury and missed most of the season. He returned last year and played well. He was 5th round pick that was a starter from the get go. Solid starter. Will never be a pro bowler but a heck of a 5th rd pick.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Taking a quick glance at the list going back to 1980, it seems that for the most part getting 2 quality starters makes a draft class. The 1981 class was a great class and the Skins lived off that class for years.

Posted by: TWISI | July 15, 2010 8:34 AM


Yeah, that '81 class still goes down as one of the best of all-time. But you're right...if you can get players who at least contribute regularly from a given draft you've done well. I wouldn't label a draft a "bust" unless you get close to no production from that class whatsoever.

That's why you can't even come close to calling the '08 draft a bust. Horton's rookie year and Fred Davis last year alone ensures that...let alone if DT pans out as even a solid starter.

That's what I'm trying to point out to hess...I haven't even heard of anyone from the '92 draft except for Desmond Howard. And we all know he didn't make a name for himself until AFTER he left D.C. If the '08 draft class retired tomorrow, they still wouldn't even be a top 3 bust in this team's draft history...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Sorry dude, I don't have the luxury of sitting in front of my computer all day seaching the internet for Redskin facts. I'm just a layman with an opinion. Personally, I think you take things to seriously. Again, that's just an opinion. No big deal.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:35 AM


This is obviously your way of admitting you're wrong since you say "I don't have the luxury of sitting in front of my computer all day seaching the internet for Redskin facts" immediately after I gave you a link to those facts so you wouldn't have to. Seems to me you either don't want the truth, can't handle the truth, or just can't admit your hate was a bit exaggerated this time. Whatever man.

And quit with the whole "I'm just a layman with an opinion" routine...if you come on a Redskins blog consistently spouting off Redskins (and Snyder) hate, it's not going to be met in kind. Just something to consider the next time you feel the need to play the "Who? ME?" victim role the next time someone decides to mix it up with you on here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

This scenario would seem a lot more likely if Westbrook was on the roster, but I think it is worth thinking about....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 8:01 AM

It also seems a lot more likely if Vinny secretly got the GM gig in Cincy. Only the old Redskins regime would make a ridiculous panic move like that...

And you'll excuse me if I'm not interested in Brent Price...or Mark Price...or whatever the f*ck his name is. I'm a bit unimpressed by any NT that can only manage 22 reps in the bench press...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:08 AM
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As for LJ to Cincy: Yeah, they'd be much better off making a play for Unga in the supplemental or trying to sign Westbrook, but this is Cincy we are talking about, right?

As for Price: I don't know much about the guy except that he is young, big and had a couple of discipline issues. He sounds more like a developmental prospect than an immediate contributor, but heck, that's true for just every player taken in the supplemental. I wouldn't give mroe than a seventh but he might - and again, I say might - be worth the risk. The scouts are infinitely more knowledgeable on the players that we are and it is possible, given the lack of quality nose tackles on the roster, that Washington takes a flyer on this guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

Since the word is Shanahan likes to use his TE's more so than other coaches, I think Davis has the best chance at succeeding here, as far as receiving passes. I think Rinehart will be the big suprize of the 08 draft, given the time to work on the pro level. But if these guys don't show great strides, I feel like it's just a wasted draft class.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 8:42 AM

Agreed. This is why I don't see the Skin's future as dim as others. The 2008 draft class is still a big ?. It still could turn to be a decent draft if the likes of DT, MK, Rhino, and Moore come on. Davis is a baller. Tyron, Horton are solid backups now, IMO. The 2009 draft gave us Orakpo, with Barnes and Henson being wild cards. Of course we know nothing about the 2010 class to date. This is a BIG year for the young players. Thankfully they are getting better coaching.

Posted by: TWISI | July 15, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"No rookie sensations led to no sophomore jinx. These guys don't perform and do well, then Ceratto's and $nyder's classs of "08" is one of the biggest bust in Redskins draft history."

I have railed against the team for not having young talent but still think the players of the 2008 class gets this year to prove that they are not busts. So far it is shaping up to be a bad class as Davis is the only one that has shown anything. This is their 3rd year under the new regime. It is make or break time.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse


@ brownwood26

Wow my man, you certainly can get steamed.

Life is to short, and it's only a game.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

LaRon and DaWon can't be held to the same standard as one was a high 1st rounder and the other was a 5th rounder.

I'm willing to be patient with LaRon this year, as I am with anyone who played under Zorn and Blache.

We'll see how they play when they are actually put in a position to be successful.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 15, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

We will quickly find out if it was Zorn and Campbell who were the problem or if it was something else.

The Redskins have replaced 3-4 starters with McNabb, Williams and whoever starts at Guard and wins the RB compition.

I hope it works, but I am a pessimist and doubt it will.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse


@srobert1117
So far it is shaping up to be a bad class as Davis is the only one that has shown anything. This is their 3rd year under the new regime. It is make or break time.

That's the point I tried to get across about the 2008 draft, only yours is more literate.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Hess, I'm not heated at all...just speaking truth, my man. After all, I'm just a layman with an opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

this is some Funny SJK

and yes, it's some annoying SJK, too.

But it kicks the spurts radio around here's SJK!

I luv mah Skins & I like the Nats & Caps - but MAN I miss some spurts radio.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

@srobert1117
So far it is shaping up to be a bad class as Davis is the only one that has shown anything. This is their 3rd year under the new regime. It is make or break time.

That's the point I tried to get across about the 2008 draft, only yours is more literate.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Davis is the only one who has shown anything. He's been the most consistent, for sure but Chris Horton has been pretty good as well. In addition we've seen flashes from Devin Thomas, Kareem Moore and Justin Tryon.

This is definitely a big year for the class of 2008 and I remain hopeful that most of these guys will work out.

2008
2. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2. Fred Davis, TE, USC
2. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
3. Chad Rinehart, OL, Northern Iowa
4. J.T. Tryon, CB, Arizona State
6. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
6. Kareem Moore, S, Nicholls State
6. Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii
7. Rob Jackson, DE, Kansas State
7. Chris Horton, S, UCLA

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 15, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

@srobert1117
So far it is shaping up to be a bad class as Davis is the only one that has shown anything. This is their 3rd year under the new regime. It is make or break time.

That's the point I tried to get across about the 2008 draft, only yours is more literate.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say Davis is the only one who has shown anything. He's been the most consistent, for sure but Chris Horton has been pretty good as well. In addition we've seen flashes from Devin Thomas, Kareem Moore and Justin Tryon.

This is definitely a big year for the class of 2008 and I remain hopeful that most of these guys will work out.

2008
2. Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2. Fred Davis, TE, USC
2. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
3. Chad Rinehart, OL, Northern Iowa
4. J.T. Tryon, CB, Arizona State
6. Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech
6. Kareem Moore, S, Nicholls State
6. Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii
7. Rob Jackson, DE, Kansas State
7. Chris Horton, S, UCLA

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 15, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Double post. Wasn't nothin I could do about that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 15, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Double Raaainbow!

It's sooo beautiful...

What does it mean?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 15, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Hess, I'm not heated at all...just speaking truth, my man. After all, I'm just a layman with an opinion...

Posted by: brownwood26

"No rookie sensations led to no sophomore jinx. These guys don't perform and do well, then Ceratto's and $nyder's classs of "08" is one of the biggest bust in Redskins draft history."

I must admit, I should had placed "If" before the word "these" in my comments above. I didn't think anyone would pick my grammar apart like you. Sorry for being misleading. I'm not playing the role of victim here, however, I'd like to think I'm open and honest with you and the other posters. So criticize me all you want, but I won't back down from you. I did visit the link you posted, and I appreciate your work in finding it. I don't sit and post all day, something you'd have to admit to. That's great if you have the time.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

July 15th means we're that much closer to July 29th.

Ho freakin' hum.

But for now, things are just a tad dull.

Check out the "Shanahan Playbook" at the top of the page.

That'll put some ice in your coffee.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Agreed O_e...this draft class isn't nearly as bad as some up here are making it sound. If we can get 2 or 3 solid starters out of that draft, it's probably one of the better ones over the last 10 years, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

O_E

"This is definitely a big year for the class of 2008 and I remain hopeful that most of these guys will work out."

I got some bad news for you, bro'.

Only F Davis and D Thomas are worthy of attention.

The rest of the guys on that list are like the stars in a constellation of FAIL!

Outside of decent defender types, the skins haven't grown or groomed a nice group of offensive playmakers over the past tesn years.

We lucked in Cooley.

But the '05 q-back is gone and the '08 receivers might just be right behind them.

The players we hope to see this year--McNabb, Portis, Johnson, Moss, Brown, Hicks--are offensive types drafted long ago by other teams.

The draft I'm longing for is the one that yields the one thing we really drafted:

Playmakers who become stars.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

It's all good hess...I'm not talking about grammar at all, it's about coming up here and posting something other than hate. If you posted more stuff like your remarks to Greg at 8:50, you'd be good. There's a lot to feel good about right now and it doesn't make sense to take a negative spin when everyone is 0-0 in the standings...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I agree that you'd want stars with your higher picks, but if some of those 4-7 round guys can become starters or solid contributers, I see that as a successful draft.

Vinny definitely did better on the defensive side than on offense, I'll give you that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 15, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I have been watching that George Allen video that was posted earlier, GREAT Stuff.

Some things I think we should take from George.

1- Go back to the Team is Family philosophy.
2- Bring back the barb wire award.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 15, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm not sure where you're going with that post...you say we haven't groomed any offensive playmakers and then promptly write off the one that we have as "lucky". Either you drafted one or you haven't...luck has little to do with it.

I'm holding out hope that DT changes the trend your talking about...it solves a lot of problems on offense if he does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 15, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

he has hammertime... i mean hammertoes

Posted by: moyster1970 | July 15, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"That's why you can't even come close to calling the '08 draft a bust."


The 2008 Washington Redskin draft is a BUST.

Before that draft, most folks pointed out the team needed an offensive tackle to groom behind Samuels, a big-bodied WCO type wide receiver, another o-lineman, and linebacker depth.

The team's moribound offense needed a draft infusion of blockers and guys with dynamic ability on the edges.

So what we got was a tight end and two receivers who remain question marks.

We all know the offense didn't improve with the drafted offensive players, and the new management team itself seems to have issues with them.

Except Fred Davis.

The defenders Vinny added came at positions--safety/corner--where a draft-wide abundance of talent would mean just about any guy drafted would be a decent, but not great player.

The one lineman we drafted (C Rhinehart) is a guy who, as we've read from cited NFL talent scouts, is just a nameless guy.

Our third round guard is number two on the depth chart (maybe).

NFL players have a 3-4 window to prove they belong, and we're still wondering if some of the '08 guys do.

Which means, two years later, they probably don't.

The '08 draft is a bust.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

We lucked in Cooley.

But the '05 q-back is gone and the '08 receivers might just be right behind them.

The players we hope to see this year--McNabb, Portis, Johnson, Moss, Brown, Hicks--are offensive types drafted long ago by other teams.

The draft I'm longing for is the one that yields the one thing we really drafted:

Playmakers who become stars.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 9:38 AM
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I don't think I want a team of big ego, I-before-team playmakers. Give me a bunch of brown baggers who are willing to strap it on and give 110% every play. I am not saying that is what Vinny did. On the contrary. He traded draft picks to get some of those big ego playmakers. Then when he drafted players I am not really sure what qualities he was looking for because I don't think character was at the top of the list, and obviously, ability didn't rank so high either. Having said all of this, I would be happy if the team did nothing but draft great character players from small schools. Wait a minute. This sounds a little like Beathard's strategy....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 15, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 15, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The guy is alright.

Look nobody wants to play for the Skins unless Snyder offering Big money.

Posted by: shamken | July 15, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

This is my criteria for a successful draft.

In order for a team to have consistent success you have to pull one better than average near pro-bowl player. Basically your first or second rounder needs to develop into a stud. Examples: Champ, Lavar, Samuels, Taylor and Orakpo. Potentially Davis and T williams.

After that you need to pull in two or three starter caliber players. And by starter I don't mean you become the starter by default as is the case with DT this year. I mean you would start on 75% of the teams in the NFL. These guys are usually found in rounds 2-5. Starters found in rounds 6-7 are rare and are steals.

The average career length for an NFL player is 3.5 years. You have to constantly be bringing in new talent. When you do it through the draft you are constantly grooming the next man up. Therefore when a guy leaves or get injured you are not hosed. You are not signing risky free agents that may or may not perform as well in your scheme as they did in their previous team.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 15, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Before you get too down on Landry (too late I guess) realize that he was 19th in the NFC in solo tackles. All players except for one were linebackers. Dude was doing something right. I saw the screw ups but without him there, those tackles don't get made. Play the guy in his position and see what he does.

Posted by: jspin77 | July 15, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have replaced 3-4 starters with McNabb, Williams and whoever starts at Guard and wins the RB compition. I hope it works, but I am a pessimist and doubt it will."

"Works" is a relative term. Are we going to go from where we were last year to being as good as the Colts or the Saints on offense? No. Can we go from being one of the worse offenses in the league (22nd overall, 26th in scoring) to a middle-of-the-pack or even a top 10 offense, one that can actually score touchdowns in the red zone rather than constantly attempt FGs? Yes. We're upgrading at the most important position, QB, and replacing almost half of last year's offensive starters (5), including 3 on the o-line. And we're getting coaches who have very successfully led offenses with other NFL teams.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 15, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep our fingers crossed. As others have pointed out, while toe injuries may sound frivolous, they're anything but.
I'm looking forward to seeing LL play the position he was meant to. He really got put in a no-win situation, not just because he's no free safety, but he was also expected to fill Sean Taylor's irreplaceable shoes.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | July 15, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Landry's natural position is SS and that may have been why he was a non-participant in the offseason last year because he wasn't happy. He was having a strong rookie season in 2007 at SS until S. Taylor passed. Asking him to switch to FS where his skills in pass coverage can be exposed was a poor move by the coaching staff. If G. Williams had remained as head coach, I doubt that LL would have remained a free safety in 2008 and 2009.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 15, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Even if DT develops which I hope he does too, we still get another wr next year.

Shanny has been lookin at every upgrade on the block.

Don't forget this is Moss last year with us...

Wr is a big area of need for us

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 15, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

awww did him hurt his widdle toe? get over it b&t^h

Posted by: pquick6165 | July 15, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Wouldn't it be nice if we all thought alike. This board is for folks opinions. I see plenty of other folks criticize $nyder and casting their doubts about the upcoming season, and not just myself. Due to the response from posters in regards to BOYCOTT $NYDER, I have cut back on my request, and I'm now concentrating on the upcoming season. I'll continue to post how I feel and I'm sure you will to.

Posted by: hessone | July 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

.............and, Landry and the Redskins waited until NOW to do this because?????

I've had toe surgery and believe me, he won't be anywhere near 100% until mid-September. And that's if he doesn't push it too hard too early. Don't let the 'Skins spin doctors fool you - this is a BFD for LL at this point in the year.

Posted by: clfrdj | July 15, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

People have no clue the level of youg talent we have. Our offensive talent was coached by a guy named Jim Zorn with a POS QB running it, the D by an unaggressive old man. We have real coaches now, if they suck this year I'm on board with lableing them busts.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | July 15, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

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