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Posted at 12:23 PM ET, 03/ 4/2011

Coin Toss: Are Skins building a top secondary?

By Washington Post editors

With a healthy LaRon Landry, the signing of O.J.Atogwe and Pro Bowler DeAngelo Hall at one corner, are the Redskins developing one of the league's better defensive backfields?

Let us know what you think.

By Washington Post editors  | March 4, 2011; 12:23 PM ET
Categories:  DeAngelo Hall, LaRon Landry  
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1st Round - Best Available OLB opposite OSackPo

2nd Round - Best Available NT or Jimmy Smith (CB)

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We should have never gotten rid of Tryon....MY opinion then...my opinion now....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not tossing my coin.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sign Nnamdi Asomugha and I'll begin to believe that. Also Draft ILB & OLB and then get more linemen this year and I'll really believe it. next year get your franchise QB

The great teams build with Linemen

Posted by: boysheadcoach | March 4, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Top teir is uet to be seen....

I think right now we are above average...

Saw somewhere on espn that we could be landing spot for nnmandi..

That would be a big signing but it could be a guy in his prime who could be worth the miney. I say if we can get him for around 12 mil he take him

That could take our secondary to the best in the east,

Add in two top defenders n the defense will have to be drastically improved.

Nlw roll in the optimus bus.... I spiked the coolaid with that 420 tonic

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | March 4, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes they are. It's kind of obvious with the signing of Atogwe, right?

Like the signing. Sounds like a really good deal for a position of need.

Now the only question is: Can he tackle?

Because Kareem More could NOT.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Word To Your Mother!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM |

LOL. Dude, you sound like someone's dad trying to be hip.

I bet you even try to beat-box and end up coughing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:12 PM

Monk = Eugene Levy in "Bringin' Down The House"

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:29 PM |

That's funny. That's EXACTLY what I thought of.

You must have ESPN.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Depends on if D Hall is required to do much tackling and who fills the other corner spot. The potential is there though for them to be pretty good. We get another OLB and NT and DE and this defense might start to be impressive in a year or so.

Posted by: will_ga | March 4, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The great teams build with Linemen

Posted by: boysheadcoach | March 4, 2011 12:32 PM

How's that working out for the Dolphins, or the Browns? How'd it work out for the Rams?

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Almost beep...you were thiiiiis close.

I'm not tossing my coin either.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I was kicking it old school! lol

I know, kinda embarrassing right?

I'll just stick to working in the monestary. If it's any consolation, PlayAction was the one that thought of the 'Word to your Mother' bit, damn sock puppet!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

We need Patrick Peterson at corner and we'll be set!

Posted by: iubiquity | March 4, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Are Skins building a top secondary?"

Building? Yes.

Anywhere close yet? No.

We still need at least 2 good cover CBs to even begin that conversation without adding "LOL" at the end.

And no to Asomugha...dude wants a ring and if he's smart, he'll go to Atlanta. There's a solid QB there, a defense that craves his particular skill set, and a realistic shot at winning a SB within the next 3 years. If he comes to either here or Houston, he's basically announcing to the world that he's making a money grab...

Even bigger 'no' to Jimmy Smith...that dude has Pacman Jones 2.0 written all over him. If little Brandon Banks can't get outta the clubs unscathed, I shudder to think of the trouble Smith would get in here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Draft ILB & OLB and then get more linemen this year and I'll really believe it."


How would drafting a ILB and OLB make the case for them building a top secondary?

And they don't need to draft Asomugha to have a top secondary. With Rogers covering (if he's still here), Hall's playmaking, and Laron's tackling - add Atogwe, and they have a top three, if not the best secondary.

I do agree with you though, they need to build that front seven up. A lot. A whole damn lot.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Building a top secondary?

Sure. All we need now is at least 1 CB and 1 pass-rusher from either the LB or DT/DE spot to assist the D-backfield.

CR22, AKA DoubleMove is 100% gone and WILL NOT re-sign so that leaves us with Arseneo Hall and probably Barnes.

My initial response is, not yet. We're building a serviceable secondary and hopefully adding some depth.

Fine by me. The G-Spots signed Rolle for 37 mil. I like our move better when you factor in the plug-n-play aspect along with the fact that Hazlenutt and OJ have worked well together in the past.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Same old same old...new acquisition, new "we've got one of the best..." statements. Although here, if Landry stays healthy and O.J "OG" Atogwe (you heard the nickname here first) continues his solid, even borderline elite play, I think we may be on to something.

Posted by: Broman17 | March 4, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's the only unit on this team that has decent starters and good depth.

I say re-sign Carlo Rogers after he finds out the market is only paying him 5-6 million a year.

Draft a stud 3-4 DE at #10. JJ Watt or Cameron Jordan should fit the bill.

Draft a NT in the second round. Hopefully Phil Taylor, Stephen Paea, or Jerrell Powe is still around.

Try to find in house starters at OLB and ILB.

Tank 15 games so we can draft Andrew Luck next year...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If it's any consolation, PlayAction was the one that thought of the 'Word to your Mother' bit, damn sock puppet!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 12:41 PM

'Word to your mother' is timeless.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:00 AM |

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Guess what? To LibertyValence, 56 minutes equals 3 hours! In that case, I guess I'll be done work in another 56 minutes!!! Thanks for the math lesson genius!!!

BTW, Eugene Levy is cool, I'd rather be compaired to him than the rapping granny from The Wedding Singer.

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Same old same old...new acquisition, new "we've got one of the best..." statements. Although here, if Landry stays healthy and O.J "OG" Atogwe (you heard the nickname here first) continues his solid, even borderline elite play, I think we may be on to something.

Posted by: Broman17 | March 4, 2011 12:44 PM |

You're efforting for recognition for calling O.J. O.G.?

Wow. How clever.

You sound like Hernando deSoto taking credit for discovering the Mississippi River.

Yup, that would have never been found.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Needs for the Redskins, in order of importance:

#1 - QB
#2 - NT
#3 - RT
#4 - DE opposite Cariker
#5 - OLB opposite OSackPo
#6 - CB opposite DHall
#7 - WR
#8 - ILB (maybe 2 starteers)
#9 - RB

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

That secondary can be tops if there is consistent pressure from the NT and linebackers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Tank 15 games so we can draft Andrew Luck next year...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 12:44 PM

I'm not watching that.

Impossible anyway...we're going to win every game 24 to 20.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Pass rush, meet secondary. Secondary, meet pass rush. One can't cover receivers forever and the other can't get to the QB as well if receivers are always open.

Make strategic signings like this one and draft the horses up front.

Build a top defensive team.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 4, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Needs for the Redskins, in order of importance:

#1 - QB
#2 - NT
#3 - RT
#4 - DE opposite Cariker
#5 - OLB opposite OSackPo
#6 - CB opposite DHall
#7 - WR
#8 - ILB (maybe 2 starteers)
#9 - RB

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:52 PM

I'd move OLB to #3 and RT to #5.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Re: Jimmy Smith

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Classic "Read a headline and declare you know everything" statement.

Jimmy Smith smoked some weed and drank some beer as a college Frosh/Redshirt Frosh. And he got caught.

He has been clean ever since and looks like an awesome pro prospect.

Pac Man 2.0? Yeah, that's a fair statement.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

It won't matter if there's no pressure on the QB.

LL30 can't cover all that great, and DHall/Atogwe are guys who make plays by punishing mistakes - not guys who lockdown coverage in the secondary.

A precondition to punishing a mistake is to force one to begin with.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt Rogers will find any team willing to pay him 5-6 mil/yr. The Skins could significantly upgrade at #2 CB for that kind of money... as the avg salary for an NFL CB is $1,193,666.

Posted by: siris | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Needs for the Redskins, in order of importance:

#1 - QB
#2 - NT
#3 - RT
#4 - DE opposite Cariker
#5 - OLB opposite OSackPo
#6 - CB opposite DHall
#7 - WR
#8 - ILB (maybe 2 starteers)
#9 - RB

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:52 PM |

Realistic needs that if addressed, put us in the discussion within our division, which, in case you haven't noticed, we're not close to right now:

1.NT
2.DT/DE
3.OT
4.DT
5.OG
6.C
7.DT/DE
8.OLB
9.QB

Since this makes actual sense, that essentially guarantees that no approach like this is going to ever be employed.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Needs for the Redskins, in order of importance:

#1 - QB
#2 - NT
#3 - RT
#4 - DE opposite Cariker
#5 - OLB opposite OSackPo
#6 - CB opposite DHall
#7 - WR
#8 - ILB (maybe 2 starteers)
#9 - RB

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 12:52 PM

Did we find starting guards for this team?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

A unified hamster front. I like it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 4, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I bet you even try to beat-box and end up coughing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:12 PM

No, sorry, don't remember doing that. But your mom and I did play 'doctor' not too long ago and I coughed while she cupped my balls, what gentle hands she has......

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

A precondition to punishing a mistake is to force one to begin with.

Posted by: p1funk

Did you have Lo mein for lunch?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

They sure are. Hail TO The Redskins!

Posted by: mjwies11 | March 4, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Tank 15 games so we can draft Andrew Luck next year...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

Sounds like a plan to me!

Posted by: MaxnDC | March 4, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

If Moss is true to his word and does not plan on returning, (but he might get the most $$ from the Skins), what do we see as our best options at WR if we go defense with #1 and #2 picks. The WR Davis they had in is not exactly a #1 or #2 WR in this league. If this is not addressed then I think the offense may actually regress from last year. If that is actually possible.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 4, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

A precondition to punishing a mistake is to force one to begin with.

Posted by: p1funk

Did you have Lo mein for lunch?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse


A whole frozen pizza.

So, yeah, I'll be punishing the john in about 1/2 hour.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I bet you even try to beat-box and end up coughing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:12 PM

No, sorry, don't remember doing that. But your mom and I did play 'doctor' not too long ago and I coughed while she cupped my balls, what gentle hands she has......

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:00 PM |

At least my mom is a 'she'.

She told me that when she tried to explain to you that Art Monk was #81 and not #811, your pathetic little testicles shrunk like Costanza's junk in a cold swimming pool.

She also caught you trying to steal a box of rubber gloves and some KY jelly.

What was all that about?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd move OLB to #3 and RT to #5.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 12:56 PM

I could go with that.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not tossing my coin either.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 12:39 PM |

Of course you're not. You don't have a coin to toss. Your stable mate -- the internet tough guy -- stole your lunch money.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to sit down for this one.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

always preferred to play "House" over "Doctor" as kid....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The REAL list of needs are as follows;

#1 - NT
#2 - OLB
#3 - WR
#4 - G
#5 - DE
#6 - CB
#7 - RB
#8 - Backup T
#9 - QB

QB isn't a major need because, for 1, we already have 3 and don't have any room on the roster for one, and I'm not so sure Shanny is done with McNabb, and 2, this might not be the year to look for a franchise QB.

Most of you are retarded if you don't think OLB and WR are bigger needs, in fact other than NT they are THE most important ones we have.

We have NO ONE to rush the passer besides Orakpo, and with Moss probably leaving AA is the only threat we have, we're screwed!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Per Cindy Boren, OJ Atogwe will not be sporting #21.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 9:46 AM

That's too bad...dude should be able to keep his number. If the team wants to put a 5 year moratoriam on #21, I can live with that...but to take a number out of circulation is stupid if you're not gonna retire it. Instead of agonizing over when to wear gold pants, BA should get on the task of fixing that debacle once and for all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 4, 2011 10:01 AM

per Cindy B? Love Cindy but she had nothing to do with unearthing the fact that OJ won't wear #21. You can thank yours truly..

13 hours ago: @blessedskins21 Congrats, glad to have you as a Redskin. What # do you plan on wearing in the burgundy and gold?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

OJ's response..

blessedskins Oshiomogho Atogwe
With all due respect, I will not be rocking nor even asking to rock 21…

Some of you guys should read more, post less. BTW, bw26 no # is officially retired.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Realistic needs that if addressed, put us in the discussion within our division, which, in case you haven't noticed, we're not close to right now:

1.NT
2.DT/DE
3.OT
4.DT
5.OG
6.C
7.DT/DE
8.OLB
9.QB

Since this makes actual sense, that essentially guarantees that no approach like this is going to ever be employed.


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM

I would generally agree with you intial thoughts. My list was an overall longterm list. Yours is a right now list. Thus, the difference.

But you would agree, to win the SB, you need a QB first and foremost before anything else.....right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd say we're heading in the right direction but still have a ways to go.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt Rogers will find any team willing to pay him 5-6 mil/yr. The Skins could significantly upgrade at #2 CB for that kind of money... as the avg salary for an NFL CB is $1,193,666.

Posted by: siris | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse
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Your average includes the Phillip Buchanans and Kevin Barnes of the league, but I agree that CR getting $5-6 mil would be insane. Especially considering he got about $2 mil to play in '10.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Did we find starting guards for this team?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM

My short term memory isn't good...I forgot that fast...I'd put them right between CB and WR.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What the team looks like "on paper" no longer impresses me. That ship sailed circa 2000.

I want to see it on the field, and then I'll believe.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

But you would agree, to win the SB, you need a QB first and foremost before anything else.....right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 1:10 PM |

Yes. Look at any SB winner save for the Ravens. The common denominators are top-tier HC's and QB's. My only issue is that with this current team, a 1st year QB would literally get killed and I don't know if Shanny is willing to groom one for a full year, possibly longer.

All that said, I do like Beck. I do like Gabbert. I want NO PART of Newton.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

We don't have any amazing corners. We have a gambler type who is considered our best one.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | March 4, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt Rogers will find any team willing to pay him 5-6 mil/yr. The Skins could significantly upgrade at #2 CB for that kind of money... as the avg salary for an NFL CB is $1,193,666.

Posted by: siris | March 4, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Really? Who is this magical cover corner that's significantly better than Carlos Rogers and only cost 5-6 million a year? Give me a name. I'm curious. Top cover corners are making 15 mil a year. Average cover corners are making 8-10 mil. If Rogers is a below average cover corner then 5-6 mil should be right on target.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

At least my mom is a 'she'.

She told me that when she tried to explain to you that Art Monk was #81 and not #811, your pathetic little testicles shrunk like Costanza's junk in a cold swimming pool.

She also caught you trying to steal a box of rubber gloves and some KY jelly.

What was all that about?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

My junk shrunk from the ice cubes she had in her hands, she can get kinky from time to time!

She's right, I did try and steal some gloves and KY, because LibertyValence's mom wanted me to do a prostate exam on her.

Your mom, or as I like to call her Kinky Pinky, got turned on by the idea and so we performed the exam together!

I'm glad you have come to terms with it now and you have stopped rocking hysterically in the fetal position screaming "Stop f*cking my mommy, stop f*cking my mommy!"

You can call me Daddy if you want!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

...Hall's playmaking, and Laron's tackling - add Atogwe, and they have a top three, if not the best secondary.


....and that all works better when you have a front-7 that gets pressure.

Otherwise, ou run the ball at a team with a good secondary and sorry defensive linemen.

That's how the jints beat us twice this year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

wireman65

I'd say we're heading in the right direction but still have a ways to go.


This is often the commentary of people walking in circles, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

You can call me Daddy if you want!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:21 PM |

Dude, you are the least talented contributor here, by a lot.

I try to just stick to topical posts but I don't mind one bit reminding you that to me, you're just a broke ass little, yapping puppy who no matter who you think you are, I can tell by your reactions that you're just not on my level.

Keep doing the "your mom" thing with the other 4th graders and I'll stick to


...wait for it....


WINNING

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Your average includes the Phillip Buchanans and Kevin Barnes of the league, but I agree that CR getting $5-6 mil would be insane. Especially considering he got about $2 mil to play in '10.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

That 2 million a year is the tail end of his rookie contract. If you think that's fair for him then you are insane. That's phillip buchanon money.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes they are. It's kind of obvious with the signing of Atogwe, right?

Like the signing. Sounds like a really good deal for a position of need.

Now the only question is: Can he tackle?

Because Kareem More could NOT.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 4, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

You've got that right. Moore is one of the worst tacklers I've seen--he looks like a matador out there.

Posted by: nrjlh | March 4, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The signing of atogwe shows the Skins are attempting to building a top secondary, but they currently are not one. Yes, DeAngelo is a pro-bowler, but not a shut-down corner. Rogers is good in coverage, but not in turnovers. With that said, if Asomugha was signed along with re-signing Rogers or the drafting of Amukamara, then I'd say the Skins have a top secondary.

Posted by: rcboulter | March 4, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

We joke about CR's 'hands of stone'.

But during the secondary portion of the combine, both M Mayock and Deon Sanders pointed out that a lot of the secondary guys today have 'bad hands'.

In other words, given the incredibly high amount of passing, you'd think there would be some crazy INT numbers in the league.

This hasn't happened.

So maybe CR's cover/ball deflection skills are what you pay for in this market.

Discuss....

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, MVP of the Pro Bowl isn't much of an accolade. Better get rid of 'em.

sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"If Moss is true to his word and does not plan on returning, (but he might get the most $$ from the Skins), what do we see as our best options at WR if we go defense with #1 and #2 picks."

Posted by: renhoekk2 | March 4, 2011 1:02 PM

When did Moss say that he wasn't coming bacK? This would surprise me because of how enthused he seemed to be about the offense last season and the numbers that he put up. If Moss, who is our only proven commodity at the position, doesn't return, then WR jumps to at, or near, the top of the team's list of needs for next season. Only 7 teams scored fewer points than we did last season, and 19 points per game, which is what we averaged last year, isn't going to win you a lot of games in today's NFL unless your defense is of the calibre of the Steelers, which ours decidedly isn't. We need more and better playmakers, not fewer.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 4, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The signing of atogwe shows the Skins are attempting to building a top secondary, but they currently are not one. Yes, DeAngelo is a pro-bowler, but not a shut-down corner. Rogers is good in coverage, but not in turnovers. With that said, if Asomugha was signed along with re-signing Rogers or the drafting of Amukamara, then I'd say the Skins have a top secondary.

Posted by: rcboulter | March 4, 2011 1:38 PM |

Wake up son. There are only 2 true shut-down corners in the league. Take your pro-bowler and his gambling/play-making ways and be happy about it.

Rogers is better than good in coverage and if he doesn't make any picks, he prevents a lot of completions so you have to take that too.

The thing is, CR22 is GONE. He's not going to get paid here and he is on record almost guaranteeing that he's outta here.

Does Hall look better now?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That 2 million a year is the tail end of his rookie contract. If you think that's fair for him then you are insane. That's phillip buchanon money.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse
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Um, no, that was his first round tender, which was 110% of his 2009 salary which was in the $2 mil range.

If he were that underpaid, teams would be knocking down his door asking him to visit.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, MVP of the Pro Bowl isn't much of an accolade. Better get rid of 'em.

sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:40 PM


FWIW, Timmy Smith earned that honor, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course you're not. You don't have a coin to toss. Your stable mate -- the internet tough guy -- stole your lunch money.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 1:06 PM

Don't let monk know...but I keep a little on the side in my other sock.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

FYI..Taking a 3-4 DE (5 tech) at #10.

Lots of people are wanting Cam Jordan or JJ Watt at #10. Outside of Tyson Jackson (bust), highest pick used on 5-tech DE in last 5 yrs is Jared Odrick (#28).

OLB, CB, WR at #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

WaPoEds'

I have two re-naming suggestions for this series of blog posts:

#R) Toin Coss -- half the time you end up saying it that way, anyway.

AND

#&) Salad Toss -- 'Cause apparently, that's Monk's night gig.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, MVP of the Pro Bowl isn't much of an accolade. Better get rid of 'em.

sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:40 PM


FWIW, Timmy Smith earned that honor, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM |

A ring for OUR TEAM is a great deodorant.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

They asked for your ID and you gave them your AARP card.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 4, 2011 12:14 PM

There, fixed it for ya.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

You can call me Daddy if you want!!! lol

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:21 PM |

Dude, you are the least talented contributor here, by a lot.

I try to just stick to topical posts but I don't mind one bit reminding you that to me, you're just a broke ass little, yapping puppy who no matter who you think you are, I can tell by your reactions that you're just not on my level.

Keep doing the "your mom" thing with the other 4th graders and I'll stick to


...wait for it....


WINNING

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

You're stuck in denial, kinda like my c*ck is stuck in your mom's mouth!!!

So I'm 4th grade? Then your game is straight up Pre-K!

Winning? You've already lost son. More like WIENER. That's what you like, that's what you are, and I guess 'like mother like son'! hahaha

SAVE THE WIENERS!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, MVP of the Pro Bowl isn't much of an accolade. Better get rid of 'em.

sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:40 PM


FWIW, Timmy Smith earned that honor, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM

I don't think so ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 4, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe makes it better and that's the best Skins news in . . . it's been a while, but the D overall is still thin and has trouble stopping the run and pressuring the QB consistently.

Von Miller or Dareus would help the secondary a lot.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 4, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, Timmy Smith earned that honor, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM

That was almost a fact Alan...good thing for you it is wrong.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Which point are you making, Alan? ...That you DON'T want to win a StuporBowel, or that you DO?

..confused.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The Robert Quinn Story You Probably Don't Know by Kevin Ewoldt

Two players names who have been dragged though the dirt the last few months are UNC defensive linemen, Marvin Austin, and Robert Quinn. For those living on another planet, the 2 former Tarheels were forbidden to play this past season due to taking illegal money/gifts and then lying about it to investigators. First, the percentage of NCAA players that truly take money would astound you. I visited Auburn's campus 10 years ago and all the players were driving Escalades. Huh?. Booster money. Either way, it was very clear Austin and Quinn are two players who carry heavy hearts, strong work ethics, and the motivation to succeed in the NFL. Let's start with Robert Quinn.

Robert Quinn attended Fort Dorchester High School in North Charleston, SC. His schedule much of his High School times included competing in wrestling, football, and working at a nearby Burger King. Quinn was 86-0 his last 3 years wrestling, which was clearly one of his strongest passions. That's what made it so much harder when he received the worst news of his life; Doctors had found a tumor in his brain. After several weeks in the hospital and the successful surgery removing the benign tumor, he eventually returned to the mat and won the State championship.

The sad part of this story is that the tumor occurred after his Senior Year football season. Ten collegiate teams, including Florida, Tennessee, Clemson, and VA Tech had extended scholarships, and to my amazement, almost ALL of the schools retracted them in the fear he wouldn't recover from the tumor. The Universities of North and South Carolina were the only teams to keep their scholarships on the table. Quinn, as we all know, went with Butch Davis.

Quinn has not had a headache since his surgery several years ago and has to conduct a MRI test every 6 months. One was done just before the combine and sent to all the teams for evaluation. My favorite Quinn combine quote came when a reporter asked him what NFL player he'd compare himself to:

I don't really compare. But people always tell me I'm ready to be the next Julius Peppers or DeMarcus Ware. I always tell them, 'Why do I need to be the second of somebody else? Why can't I be the first Robert Quinn?' But I guess being compared to them two ain't so bad."

Regarding his NCAA problems:

Like I said, I made a selfish mistake and I paid - me and my team and my family and coaches - paid a price for it. I truly apologized for it...When I took the jewelry, it was from a jeweler. In the back of my mind, it wasn't an agent, so I was thinking it wasn't as bad or wasn't bad at all. But coming all the way through, actually it was.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

1.DT/DE
2.NT
3.RB
4.OG/C
5.rush OLB
6.QB
7.WR

Top priority should be stopping the opponents' running game. Then stopping the opponent's rush. Then getting our own rushing game going on. Then getting sacks. Getting our own passing game going just requires giving the QB another half to three quarters second to make the throw (and not stepping on his foot).

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Von miller, marcel dareus, rob quinn, julio jones, prince amukamara all would be worthy of the 10 pick

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | March 4, 2011 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Defense wins championships!


... On that note, still a lot of work to be done.

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Um, no, that was his first round tender, which was 110% of his 2009 salary which was in the $2 mil range.

If he were that underpaid, teams would be knocking down his door asking him to visit.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So what contract was his 2009 salary under? Ah yeah, his rookie contract. He is that underpaid and he will be doing a lot of visiting. 5-6 mil a year is being nice.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 1:56 PM | Report abuse

My bad, misremembered on Timmy Smith.

His record-setting day was bettered by Doug Williams' record-setting day.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

By the way, RI is no longer! It's called "The Insider" now. Now we are TI bloggers, like the rapper

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

But you would agree, to win the SB, you need a QB first and foremost before anything else.....right?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 1:10 PM

That's my thinking too. For the 3-4 to succeed the team needs a quality NT and OLB opposite RAK. For the offense to be successful, the team will need to find a qb the team can build around for the next 5-7 years.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Von miller, marcel dareus, rob quinn, julio jones, prince amukamara all would be worthy of the 10 pickPosted by: brandon_in_cali"

Problem is, they're all worthy of a higher selection, too. It's the quarterbacks who aren't. We have to hope somebody reaches for Cam or Gabbert to have a shot at one of these others.

Dareus I suspect will go in the top 3. Miller, Quinn, and the Prince in the top 8. We have a shot at Jones, but not as good as we did a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Of course you're not. You don't have a coin to toss. Your stable mate -- the internet tough guy -- stole your lunch money.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 1:06 PM

Don't let monk know...but I keep a little on the side in my other sock.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Not anymore, that went to buying some spray paint for my sock's spray tan last week! Sorry, times are tight, and socks gotta look good!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Von miller, marcel dareus, rob quinn, julio jones, prince amukamara all would be worthy of the 10 pick

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | March 4, 2011 1:55 PM

And they fill needs. That's why trading back a few spots is the best thing for this club. Here's hoping that one team will oblige.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

btw - I'd like to float this (like a turd) to all the rhymers out there:

You can't rhyme a word with itself. That is not a rhyme. It doesn't count. It doesn't make your insult carry import.

First time I heard that style was a Juvenile record years ago. I couldn't stop laughing for like two days.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/3611285031/helu#

The case for drafting a serious RB who can average better than four yards per carry, catch, and pass block. [Where the case is mainly built around the current RBs on the roster.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

As far as our secondary, it's definitely better than a few days ago. In today's pass-happy NFL, your core is six reliable defensive backs. We've got the two safeties and one starting CB. We're OK at third safety, but not certain about the other two CBs. We should view Kevin Barnes as a developmental type, not a finished product.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Monk, I own you. I just had a junior-level kid pop into my office and I showed him your recent offering and he was like, "Ha-ha, I didn't think people were so fragile as to be that affected by a blog comment."

That was a quote and no truer words have ever been spoken.

Whether it's by me or every single person laying eyes on this text at this very moment....

you are so fuc*ing owned.

Now, look at the desk you're sitting at right now and think of what it might be like to actually have a real life.

Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

By the way, RI is no longer! It's called "The Insider" now. Now we are TI bloggers, like the rapper

Posted by: ddrcoaster | March 4, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Insiders! Mount Up!

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

DDR - I did notice that. Hey - as long as the link lists 'RedskinsInsid[h]er', The wiki is still relevant.

If & when it fully changes over... well, I just don't know what I'll do.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Monk, I just had a junior-level kid, Cheers.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

EEwwww, too much information P_F. Can't get a woman so you go for young boys???
And you drink with them?

That's it, I know what P_F stands for, PedaFile! hahaha

You can OWN DEEZ, deez nuts!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | March 4, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

you gotta give pf this, he's created this fantasy world he claims to be in, and he's never wavered from it....cuz its the internet, it MUST be real life...

pf, every post you make where you 'claim' to be something, 95% of the people on here roll their eye's and chuckle.....keep it up though....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

... We should view Kevin Barnes as a developmental type, not a finished product.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 2:03 PM

If the Skins don't re-sign Rogers, we should view Kevin Barnes as the Skins' Bryant McFadden, i.e., the safe place for QBs to throw the ball.

I agree with 4th that Skins should have held onto Justin Tryon. He WAS getting better.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with 4th that Skins should have held onto Justin Tryon. He WAS getting better.


This is an old argument.

Months ago, folks celebrated the possible 6th/7th rounder trading Tyron would bring.

Now, they wish he was a redskin.

I agree, though, as you just can't have enough good corners.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey greg...everyone has their own fantasy world here on TI...

Monk lives in a monestary and enjoys puppetry

Beep loves fries so much that he works at McDonalds

BTG is a PFT correspondent but doesn't watch football games

iH8 is an international horseshoe champion

PlayAction likes magical nasal spray

PF does whatever

...no big deal

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

We should view Kevin Barnes as a developmental type,...

Can't agree with this.

As with the case of some many of the younger guys on our roster, we don't know what they can do until they get extended playing time.

KB is a 3rd rounder not producing: that's never good.

Get the kid paying time at corner...then well pass judgement.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with 4th that Skins should have held onto Justin Tryon. He WAS getting better.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Forget Tryon. We should have held on to Leigh Torrence.

A top secondary won't matter if the front 7 remains in shambles. Not saying it will, just saying...

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

CBA Update:

Sides agreed to extend the deadline for another week.

Which gives them 7 days to discuss how long they want to extend the next fake deadline when this one runs out.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Even thought the masthead title changed, the top line of Internet Explorer still says "Redskins Insider."

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Leigh Torrence...

since we've been celebrating Otogwe's TD in that Rams win in '08 we should also remember that Jasno's boy hosted Donnie Avery's coming out party that day as well.

Ah, the Zorn years.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A top secondary won't matter if the front 7 remains in shambles. Not saying it will, just saying...

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:25 PM

Well said ... or not said ... or not ... just ... such as?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree with 4th that Skins should have held onto Justin Tryon. He WAS getting better.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Forget Tryon. We should have held on to Leigh Torrence.

A top secondary won't matter if the front 7 remains in shambles. Not saying it will, just saying...

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:25 PM |

I know right? I still lay awake at night pondering the what-if's regarding Desmond Howard, Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Pierce, Champ Bailey and of course....Shaun Suisham.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

COIN TOSS

"We'll kick to the clock."

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

pft is reporting that Jamarcus Russel's house is being foreclosed on....you can't make this stuff up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

CBA Update:

Sides agreed to extend the deadline for another week.

Which gives them 7 days to discuss how long they want to extend the next fake deadline when this one runs out.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:27 PM

They've learned well from Congress, which still hasn't passed an FY11 budget half-way into FY11. Just another 2 week CRA to avoid a govt shutdown.

Keep kickin' the can down the road...

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

... Jasno's boy hosted Donnie Avery ...

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:29 PM

Crap, I forgot about Avery coming back healthy next year. Never mind everything I said about the Rams maybe trading up from #14 to swap picks with the Skins at #10. Never mind. My bad.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg,
Been meaning to ask you... what's your verdict on the Celts mega-trade? Or is it still too early to assess?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Not with DeAngelo Hall starting. There will always be one guy open.

Yeah, yeah, I know he'll pluck a few, but "general area" pass defense don't git 'er done.

If they sign Asuumgha Amsugwa...that Oakland guy, and draft a mobile OLB, they can put the FS over on Hall's side, and problem solved.

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

sween,
Why did they change the masthead? How does the jib look? Is there a storm on the horizon?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 4, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should change it to read:

"Insider"

or just

"The"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 4, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

They've learned well from Congress, which still hasn't passed an FY11 budget half-way into FY11. Just another 2 week CRA to avoid a govt shutdown.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 2:33 PM

I was asked my opinion today about which the American public would be more concerned about: lapse of the CBA and a NFL player lockout versus lapse of appropriations and the federal government shutting down.

It wasn't anywhere near a close call in my opinion. Wondering if there might be a poll on that question, I was offering an over/under spread of -9% for the NFL.

[Had to account for the likely poll responders, which includes too many senior citizens (skewed heavily female) to reflect the actual population.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

The most concerning thing about the blog name change is that perhaps Jones is now going to open this bad boy up to topics outside the Redskins.

That could get downright ugly with this crew.

Or wait, has anyone considered that the WAPO is being sued by Snyder and can't legally use the name any more?

Snyder suing a newspaper....

WINNING!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Is there a storm on the horizon?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 4, 2011 2:35 PM

Oh, we're all going down. Abandon ship! [Unless and until the Skins sign a few more free agents.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

RE: Are the Redskins developing one of the league's better defensive backfields?

Hard to say. Only sure-handed tackler in this lot is Landry -- and even so, he seems to want to blow people up rather than just wrap them and bring them down.

So if you're just rating on cover skills, we might be in the mix -- but until we see whether they can bring it all -- to include doing the fundamentals and making some open-field tackles, we'll just have tp say this coin flip landed and stuck on its edge. Flip again!

Posted by: Vic1 | March 4, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

al, on paper, they're a better team, they're going to step back defensively, but take a big step forward on the offensive side of the ball...I think by the time the playoffs roll around, we'll know definitively how well they work together....when you watch them, Rondo, makes that team go...he's just scary good at getting open guys the ball...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg,
Been meaning to ask you... what's your verdict on the Celts mega-trade? Or is it still too early to assess?

Posted by: Alan4 |

I saw the Celt's play the Clips--pre-Murphy. They are gearing up for the Lakers--who are long and tall. LA can go 7'0, 6'ii, 6'10" along the front line.

With Shaq, the other O'Neil, Murphy, Garnett etc., they are now long and tall enough to counter, even minus Kendrick--who may not be ready for Playoffs. The OTHER issue, is if Kendrick's ready, suddenly Oklahoma is a real threat to the Lakers..

That's if the NBA allows Miami to lose. That's Beantown's main worry playing in the National basketball Exhibition Association.

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Re: The Insider

Crappy.

Now our blog sounds like some lame-arsed movie Nick Cage did just to get a buck.

Whateves.

Who wants to bet $$ that David Donovan called WaPo and told them they didn't have permish to use "Redskins" to officially name a portion of their site?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

They asked for your ID and you gave them your AARP card.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 1:49 PM

And they gave me a 15% discount, let me go to the head of the line, gave me a seat next to the bathroom, handed me the large print menu, and had me fed and on my way before 5:00 PM. It doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Snyder suing a newspaper....

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 2:40 PM

That came up at lunch too (she's a hardcore Patriots fan). Supreme Court the other day rejected a punitive damage award (civil litigation btwn private parties and no government laws involved ... except that it was awarded in a court) on First Amendment grounds, 8-1. [Different Snyder had sued and won $10M against the Westboro Baptist Church ... military funeral protesters.]

The suit against the Washington City Paper is now SO unwinnable on the merits that it really should just be folded up and put away in a drawer as a temporary lapse of sanity.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh please....we stink!

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 4, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

al, on paper, they're a better team, they're going to step back defensively, but take a big step forward on the offensive side of the ball...I think by the time the playoffs roll around, we'll know definitively how well they work together....when you watch them, Rondo, makes that team go...he's just scary good at getting open guys the ball...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think they take a step forward defensively out on the perimeter w/ Jeff Green - pretty versatile defender.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I know right? I still lay awake at night pondering the what-if's regarding Desmond Howard, Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Pierce, Champ Bailey and of course....Shaun Suisham.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | March 4, 2011 2:32 PM

Minus Suisham and add Mason...Championship!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence & a Such As in the same comments list?!

timewarp! matter & anti-matter colliding!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

...for anyone who needs a downer right now.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Months ago, folks celebrated the possible 6th/7th rounder trading Tyron would bring.

Now, they wish he was a redskin.

I agree, though, as you just can't have enough good corners.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 2:17 PM

I've been a Tryon guy since he started working out with DG28....I usually make a claim early and stick with it stubbornly....(See B Cushing vs Orakpo)...

One I may change my mind on is Cam Newton as a top 10.......for us....He will need 2 years mimimum........2nd round flyer on him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to bet $$ that David Donovan called WaPo and told them they didn't have permish to use "Redskins" to officially name a portion of their site?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:44 PM

My Magic Eight Ball says "co-sign"

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

cork, miami is doing a pretty good gag job all on their own....see last nights game versus Dwight Howard, I mean, the Magic last night as exhibit A...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to bet $$ that David Donovan called WaPo and told them they didn't have permish to use "Redskins" to officially name a portion of their site?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:44 PM |

They would have put that on the front page.

This is the PC Washington Post. More likely, they changed it because they think the word "Redskins" is denigrating to Native Americans. They'll stop using in the print edition as well, referring to the team only as "Washington NFL Team."

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Hard to call it the "Redskins Insider" when it usually offers anything but inside information... at least about the Redskins.

Don't know what the WAPO beat reporters are getting in the way of access these days, but it appears they've been marginalized by Snyder's media machine for quite some time now.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 4, 2011 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are calling me again right now...no joke...I'm not answering it.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

...for anyone who needs a downer right now.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:50 PM

I'm not clicking this

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh please....we stink!

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 4, 2011 2:46 PM


You should be using the first person singular, not plural, in that construction. Unless, of course you're a queen are entitled to use the royal "we."

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should change it to read:

"Insider"

or just

"The"

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 4, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

How about "Insider, The"?

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 4, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

... marginalized by Snyder's media machine for quite some time now.

Posted by: Vic1 | March 4, 2011 2:52 PM

I gotta say I was a little disappointed to see that Rich Tandler now gets paychecks from The Owner.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released. I keep thinking that the Redskins aren't going anywhere until they get a franchise quarterback. This is by far the most important problem facing the team. All other positions can be filled through the draft and fre agency over the next 2-3 years, but I can't figure out where we can get a franchise quarterback.
Should we take a gamble on Jake Locker? Should we sign Alex Smith? Unless we go 1-15 next year we aren't getting Luck.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say I was a little disappointed to see that Rich Tandler now gets paychecks from The Owner.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:55 PM

Easy for you to say since you're not Rich Tandler. You're not the only one, dcsween, who wants to take his family to Hill Country BBQ. Hope they have the AARP discount.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The suit against the Washington City Paper is now SO unwinnable on the merits that it really should just be folded up and put away in a drawer as a temporary lapse of sanity.

Posted by: dcsween

Temporary?

(It's a joke!, Redskin lawyers.)

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

FYI..Taking a 3-4 DE (5 tech) at #10.

Lots of people are wanting Cam Jordan or JJ Watt at #10. Outside of Tyson Jackson (bust), highest pick used on 5-tech DE in last 5 yrs is Jared Odrick (#28).

OLB, CB, WR at #10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

That is correct BUT I see Von Miller and Robert Quinn going before #10. After that point you are looking at some weak OLB prospects. Aj Green and Julio Jones could be gone too. Both the top CBs could also be gone. At that point I'd grab one of the 5 techniques. If the draft goes like this who would you draft?

#1 CAR-Marcell Dareus
#2 DEN-DaQuan Bowers
#3 BUF-Patrick Peterson
#4 CIN-AJ Green
#5 ARI-Von Miller
#6 CLE-Julio Jones
#7 SF-Robert Quinn
#8 TEN-Nick Fairly
#9 POOP-Prince Amukamura

I would take Cameron Jordan.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Tryon?

No team in the NFL should start two corners going 5'10 and 5'8"ish these days.

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I tell you, the more this Personal Foul sh!t box opens his cum guzzler the more of a pretentious, arrogant pillow biter he sounds like. Hey PF, I think it's time to renew your bus pass because we all know that you'll need it to get to the library to post some more lame ass sh!t next week.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

Then you're not a real Redskins fan. Go post on the Dallas blog where you belong. Hater.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

keep thinking that the Redskins aren't going anywhere until they get a franchise quarterback. This is by far the most important problem facing the team. All other positions can be filled through the draft and fre agency over the next 2-3 years, but I can't figure out where we can get a franchise quarterback.
Should we take a gamble on Jake Locker? Should we sign Alex Smith? Unless we go 1-15 next year we aren't getting Luck.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

Agree to disagree on all three of these points.

1. Getting a franchise QB doesn't get you anywhere unless and until you can protect him. See Patrick Ramsey ... then see what the Falcons and the Jets did the two years before they got Ryan and Sanchez, respectively.

2. The far most important problem facing the team is along the line of scrimmage. Both sides. Immediately after the snap, oppponents are a half yard in to Skins' territory. The lines need to be built so that a franchise QB can be put in harm's way in 2-3 years (well, 1-2 years anyway).

3. With a year or two to develop the guy, it should be a lower round guy who can be trained to watch film, learn defenses, and get up to game speed. If it must be this year, then two names up here that keep swirling (different views on this, but peeps line up on either side) are Christian Ponder or Colin Kaepernick. Waiting for another year is fine. [One amateur GM up here thinks the interim solution is to return to the running game in the meantime and rely on a scrub like Rex Grossman till then.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Beaner, my old team is breaking my heart - but it is fitting. It's kinda like the old days of Heat. We used to do the same things w/ Hardaway & Zo.

However - then it was that we weren't really an offense minded squad. This time it's just flow management.

I hope they get it together by playoffs. Because they really are scary when they're 'on'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/highschool/news/story?id=6180469

...for anyone who needs a downer right now.

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 2:50 PM

The link tells me already......True Downer indeed....atleast he went out in winning fashion.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

Elitist.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

This is often the commentary of people walking in circles, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 1:27 PM

You're right Moe. I've been lost in the woods before, let's hope Shanny isn't

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The link tells me already......True Downer indeed....atleast he went out in winning fashion.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 4, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I saw this on CNN and thankfully they did not show him actually collapse. They cut the video off as everyone stormed the court.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

... You're not the only one, dcsween, who wants to take his family to Hill Country BBQ. ...

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 2:59 PM

I wouldn't plan to take my family there. Once I get eating good barbecued meets, a child's arm is likely to be mistaken for a nice thick rib. Would be a costly night out when daddy's incisors make it to the bone.

For those watching at home, coming very very soon to DC (about three blocks south from Verizon Center):

http://www.hillcountryny.com/home.php

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

SUPERBOWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Posted by: whydoIcare | March 4, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Another downer...

Heart Attack Grill Spokesman Dies at 29

The ‘Heart Attack Grill’ spokesman died Tuesday possibly from contracting pneumonia after a bout with the flu.
Blair River, who was 29, gained some fame as the spokesman for the Phoenix-area restaurant ‘Heart Attack Grill.’ River, who weighed 575 pounds, touted the restaurant's unhealthy, high-calorie menu.
The menu consisted of huge hamburgers, milkshakes and fries cooked in lard.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This is often the commentary of people walking in circles, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 4, 2011 1:27 PM

You're right Moe. I've been lost in the woods before, let's hope Shanny isn't

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 3:05 PM

If it was in the woods, maybe it wasn't in circles. Maybe it was that damb Blair Witch that kept moving the stream.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

shuttle, lebram needs to learn to close games out, he's just gotta start doing something different at the end of close games, he can't be letting CBosh take the last shot, thats just foolish....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 4, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Once I get eating good barbecued meets, a child's arm is likely to be mistaken for a nice thick rib.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:09 PM

Need to change your handle: dcswine. I can tell you how to do it. It's painless.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I've been lost in the woods before, let's hope Shanny isn't

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 3:05 PM

It does seem that, football-wise, apart from the obvious roster failure to implement a 3-4, the thing that seems "lost in the woods" is the personnel situations with Hayneworth and McNabb.

I keep telling myself that Shanahan is really not that batshti crazy and once those two situations get resolved, the real part of the Shanahan regime can get started.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

SUPER BOOOWWWWLLL!!! WOOOOO!!!

Posted by: pickmaaa | March 4, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

sween - that story (if it's the one I think it is) is just tooooooo sad. f'n awful.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Beef short rib is superior in all respects than pork rib.

That's just factual.

[My regrets about using facts on fact-free Friday.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle, which story is too sad? Parents (the Randy Quaid movie)? Blair Witch Project? Or Shanahan's first offseason in Ashburn?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree to an extent, Beaner. But if you watched the game - or any of 'em, really. They shouldn't even BE in that situation.

I haven't seen a game they've lost where they weren't in COMPLETE control of it and just gave it up.

If you are solid for the whole game, you won't NEED to make a clutch shot to win it. It's entirely unnecessary with this squad... at least in the regular season.

btw - I'm still groovin' on this Freaks & Geeks trak from yestidday, in case anyone is interested NSFW (Bad Language)

Did that pass the parental board?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle, which story is too sad? Parents (the Randy Quaid movie)? Blair Witch Project? Or Shanahan's first offseason in Ashburn?

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:21 PM

The one about the guy who ate his kid's arm in a BBQ joint.

But, this is just an opinion. I like to stay within the rules on fact-free Friday.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Saying Kareem Moore could not tackle is like saying Peyton Manning can't run. The guy was the most lost football player on the field. Constantly out of position, and couldn't tackle grandma. I hope the hell I don't see him in a Redskins uniform next year. Still not over having the ball taken out of his hand by New Orleans and run back for a TD. He's not starter material, backup material, 3rd string, or squad. Get rid of that bum!

Posted by: jfoster13 | March 4, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The one you weren't clicking about the dead basketball player.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Did that pass the parental board?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:21 PM

Well monk is long gone...I'll toss a coin to see what he might have answered here...it's heads?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

1. Getting a franchise QB doesn't get you anywhere unless and until you can protect him. See Patrick Ramsey ... then see what the Falcons and the Jets did the two years before they got Ryan and Sanchez, respectively.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM

Bingo! The obsession with getting that enigmatic "franchise QB" is absolutely Snyderatto-esqe.

We've been chasing that same unicorn for decades. We had it with Sonny, and didn't win jack.

Post Joe Gibbs, three of our former QBs were good enough to lead their post-Redskins teams to Super Bowls--Stan Humphries, Rich Gannon & Brad Johnson. Two of them within the last decade.

A 100% fail rate on all the investment in "franchise QBs" we've made over the decades (Jeff George, Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb...)??? I don't think so. It defied logic.

It's more likely we didn't develop them properly, ruined them in development, gave up too soon on them, or some combination of the above.

Snyderatto was prepared to give up the farm for Cutler, and again for Sanchez. That kind of thinking has to stop.

If an elite QB was the only key to winning SBs, Phillip Rivers would be wearing SB jewelry instead of Eli Manning and Brad Johnson.

Of course we need to upgrade at QB. Obviously. But if we want to stop hunting that unicorn, we're better off improving other parts of the team so that we can at least be competitive with the next Doug Williams or Mark Rypien.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

QB is definitely a piece we need to figure out but I don't think we need to reach. We are looking at probably 3 years to rebuild and that's being nice. I'd say take the BPA in a position of need and just see what happens. Maybe we get a QB maybe we don't. Maybe Ponder is there in round 2? Maybe we get Barkley or Luck next year? Maybe there's a QB controversy somewhere and they decide to let 1 of their QBs go. Build the rest of the team and if you find a QB on the way then great. If it's the last piece then you can reach.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So maybe CR's cover/ball deflection skills are what you pay for in this market.

Discuss....

A DB's first priority is to make sure noone on the offense catches the ball, that accomplished the second priority is to catch the ball of give a team mate the chance to catch it. But you'd think when it it's you in the hands you should catch the f-ing thing. Maybe CR can practice setting the ball up like in volleyball to give OG a chance at it.

LMAO about the Blair Witch, I used to go pile rocks up in my sister's front yard to freak her out. We'd hang shti in her trees and stuff.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 3:29 PM

Well said Alan..and with little or no facts...nicely done!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse


Well said Alan..and with little or no facts...

Posted by: PlayAction | March 4, 2011 3:36 PM

Thanks, although my research on unicorn behavior and mating rituals is, in fact, thoroughly documented and sourced.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

Then you're not a real Redskins fan. Go post on the Dallas blog where you belong. Hater.

Posted by: beep-beep


Yeah, Dude. After all This IS THE OFF-SEASON where the Redskins hopes soar....this is the time to be excited. If you're excited when the actual season starts, seek therapy.

You'll probably have lots of company. Starting with Mr. Snarkwell, there.

Why can't we all just get a loan?

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Eugene Levy is cool, I'd rather be compaired to him than the rapping granny from The Wedding Singer.

Posted by: monk811


BEYOND cool. He co-writes (w/Christopher Guest) those great flicks like "Best in Show" and "A Mighty Wind."

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Beef short rib is superior in all respects than pork rib.

That's just factual.

I don't know man. Give me a good slab of pork spare ribs cooked east Carolina style. Beef short ribs are good though. Heading down to Hatteras later on tonight when wirewoman gets here, might just have to stop and get me some. Either ribs or wirewoman.

Posted by: wireman65 | March 4, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 4, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Best Handle I've seen here yet--Carl LaFong

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone's going to have to explain that one to me sometime, Cork.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 4, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Re: Fact Free Friday

So if someone declares that it's "Fact Free Friday"...are we supposed to believe that?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say I was a little disappointed to see that Rich Tandler now gets paychecks from The Owner.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 2:55 PM

What's Rich up to? Not that I look at everyone, but he and Keim are the ones seem to give the best perspectives.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 4, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

I know its not as exciting as having our former starting FS Moore miss an open field tackle that results in a 60 yard TD but it will have to do.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 4, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I can't get too excited about signing a 29 year-old free safety that another team just released.

Posted by: jim121 | March 4, 2011 2:56 PM

Then you're not a real Redskins fan. Go post on the Dallas blog where you belong. Hater.

Posted by: beep-beep


Yeah, Dude. After all This IS THE OFF-SEASON where the Redskins hopes soar....this is the time to be excited.

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse


Co-sign.

Champions of March, biotches.

After a down year last offseason, we've rediscovered our form.

Bob Sanders? Shaun Rogers? Puuh-lease...stop with that one-year contract kiddie-play.

Our 30year old FA gets 5 YEARS, baby!

"Winning"

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we all just get a loan?

Posted by: TheCork | March 4, 2011 3:42 PM

You know, you were a lot more unpleasant when you were CorkCzar. And a lot less unpleasant when you were Skippy. TheCork is like the Grand Old Duke of York -- when you're in between you are neither up nor down.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 4, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Re: Fact Free Friday

So if someone declares that it's "Fact Free Friday"...are we supposed to believe that?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I've decided that on FFF I will just end every post with the epic Walken line from True Romance:

"So if that's a fact, then tell me, am I lying?"

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I mean Dennis Hopper of course.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So it's only 12 mil guarenteed and it's probably front loaded. How is this bad again?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I want people to save this post then 8 games into next years season read it and tell me im wrong. I dont care who the redskins get on the bus the driver aka Dan snyder is a bad man with a bad heart and has very bad Karma The skins will continue to fail miserably.

Posted by: thomasuras | March 4, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"BEYOND cool. He co-writes (w/Christopher Guest) those great flicks like "Best in Show" and "A Mighty Wind."Posted by: TheCork"

plus he has two left feet.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 4, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Staying medium on Atogwe.

Should be a good fit, isn't overpaid, and is probably the best option given the draft and incumbents, but he's not going to fix our WR, Oline, Dline, OLB, and CB situation.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dan snyder is a bad man with a bad heart and has very bad Karma The skins will continue to fail miserably.

Posted by: thomasuras | March 4, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If he has a bad heart then you'll get you wish soon enough huh? Get it right. Snyder has a "dark heart".

Posted by: ga8085 | March 4, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Staying medium on Atogwe.

Should be a good fit, isn't overpaid, and is probably the best option given the draft and incumbents, but he's not going to fix our WR, Oline, Dline, OLB, and CB situation.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Once we get all that fixed we can work on ILB, QB, RB, and FB. Then we'll get a punter and maybe a kicker if Gano isn't still around.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

What's Rich up to?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 4, 2011 3:59 PM

http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Click on the second link (about Atogwe) in the front scroll. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe its just a link. Never mind. More my bad on a fact free Friday.*

* btw, I didn't make up FFF ... someone else did. I'm just trying to comply.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Dan snyder is a bad man with a bad heart and has very bad Karma The skins will continue to fail miserably.

Posted by: thomasuras | March 4, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If he has a bad heart then you'll get your wish soon enough huh? Get it right. Snyder has a "dark heart".

Posted by: ga8085 | March 4, 2011 4:14 PM

Co-sign. I've been working hard on karma protection. Avoiding ill-will in my thoughts about those with whom I have adversity. Awaiting the karmic retribution destined to flow upon the dark of heart.

Wax on. Wax off.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Once we get all that fixed we can work on ILB, QB, RB, and FB. Then we'll get a punter and maybe a kicker if Gano isn't still around.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse
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Exactly. Improve everything. There are no 'just add Atogwe' Super Bowl elixers. Or even playoff elixers.

I look at FS as a definite need (prolly cost us at least two games) and you go through the options: Incumbent - no, Draft - no, FA is really the only thing left other than hoping the CBA deal falls through.

I'll take more of this, I'll just say that. With a crappy D, you have to plug holes however you can, and this doesn't smell like a panic move.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Listen up guys,

We really don't need to fix all of these positions.

For instance, Atogwe will make the corners seem much better, because we won't get beat deep as much.

A good nose tackle will make LoAX and RobJax look better.

Getting rid of Rabach will make the whole offensive line look better.

That will make the running backs better and the playaction game smoother.

The big needs are nose tackle, center and wide receiver.

A decent guard wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Are the 'Skins building a top tier secondary? They were 22nd in completion percentage allowed last season and next-to-last in yardage allowed through the air. Signing Atogwe should help, but he won't make this a "top tier" group by himself. In order to accomplish that, the team will have to (1) resign Rogers at a reasonable rate or sign someone better; (2) get DHall to not gamble as much and play more sound positional defense; and (3) get the front seven to help more by working with 'Rak on his coverage skills, and by replacing Alexander at the other OLB spot with someone who is faster and who can cover and/or rush the passer better.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | March 4, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hall cannot tackle or cover and Rogers cannot catch. The two of them make one fine corner.

Hall will give us interceptions, but he also gives up a lot of negative plays. I thought his tackling was better last year but he still misses too often and can get burned deep by depressingly average receivers.

I'd be in favour of signing Rogers as long as he accepts a deal that recognises he isn't an elite cornerback. He is a solid starter but his hands of stone limit his value.


Landry looked good whilst he was healthy, but has the sort of build that screams PEDs. He looks over muscled and I fear for his durability. Also, his worrying tendancy to bite on play-action and double moves didn't disappear last year.

Atogwe immediately becomes our best defensive back. Let's hope that shoulder injury isn't the career killer it could be.

We aren't building a great secondary, but it could be serviceable. What we need is a much more effective pass rush. Once offensive lines realised they could hold Orakpo with virtual impunity we had no pass rush at all last year.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | March 4, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'll take more of this, I'll just say that. With a crappy D, you have to plug holes however you can, and this doesn't smell like a panic move.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Atogwe's contract really isn't that big.

It is actually extremely reasonable.

Allen>Cerrato.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Listen up guys,

We really don't need to fix all of these positions.

For instance, Atogwe will make the corners seem much better, because we won't get beat deep as much.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse
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No, no no. We've had that philosophy since Snyder came to town, and it's a big fat fail.

You get the best 53 players you can. Period. If Rogers and LoJax is the best you can get, fine. But if you have a chance to draft/sign someone for good value, you do it.

Building a team is a never-ending process.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

NT is not a need with A.Bryant on the team he was quite disruptive when he was on the field, yes it was just 2 games but he nearly made half the amount of tackles M.Kam made

Posted by: Istudydrugs | March 4, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Listen up guys,

We really don't need to fix all of these positions.

For instance, Atogwe will make the corners seem much better, because we won't get beat deep as much.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse
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No, no no. We've had that philosophy since Snyder came to town, and it's a big fat fail.

You get the best 53 players you can. Period. If Rogers and LoJax is the best you can get, fine. But if you have a chance to draft/sign someone for good value, you do it.

Building a team is a never-ending process.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

yes,yes,yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

This Atogwe signing appears to be the same type of move that the bloggas have blasted forever. A 29 year old vet getting paid. Same stuff, different regime.

For once I'd like to see us overpay an OL. That would be fantastic......

Posted by: dcwun | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Istudydrugs | March 4, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't know...I like Bryant but he looked like a great 2nd string 3-4 NT to me. We need a dominating presence in there.

Bryant as a backup=winning.

As a starter, not exactly.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 4, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

For once I'd like to see us overpay an OL. That would be fantastic......

Posted by: dcwun | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse
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Pete Kendall, Randy Thomas, Casey Rabach, and Jon Jansen agree that it is fantastic for them, but unsustainable.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

i love the true romance reference on here, great movie, but king of new york is walken's best


also, 47% of all statistics are made up on the spot

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 4, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

yes,yes,yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse
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Clean up! Aisle 8!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Robert Gallery, G from Oak, a mismatch for Shanny's o lines or what? O the heck with the 30 year old grab and just get some college youth in here?

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | March 4, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

matthew- you are not as optimistic as me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

This sucks. No football news till next Friday. Its like June/July came earlier to RI-land (or, I guess, I-land).

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

For once I'd like to see us overpay an OL. That would be fantastic......

Posted by: dcwun | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM

Most recently, that would be Derrick Dockery.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone think the Skins are building a good secondary when they don't recognize what a drag Hall really is! He gets beat long. He gets beat short. He can't tackle. The only thing he is good at is posturing (OH, LOOK AT ME AND WHAT I DID!) and that stinks when you are a losing team. Actually, posturing stinks at anytime by anybody.
Say goodbye to DeAngelo and Carlos.

Posted by: crimsonmac | March 4, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | March 4, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Three down, one to go. ATOGWE's in the house. Now sign ASOMUGHA, and let ROGERS and his 'tude walk.

One gaping hole in our "d" solved. If he can't do the job at FS nobody currently available can.

Now re-sign BUCHANON for back-up, and either DOUGHTY, HORTON, or MOORE for some shaky insurance at safety.

Yes-s-s-s. there is a god.

TOP secondary, absolutely, on the horizon.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 4, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing about Nnamdi coming here. He's been paired up at CB with our Pro Bowler DHall before in OAK. Teams just went at Hall. And torched him.

Which led to this famous Rex Ryan moment, where he's yelling at DHall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvByBwtsb1Q

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 4, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

#1 CAR-Marcell Dareus
#2 DEN-DaQuan Bowers
#3 BUF-Patrick Peterson
#4 CIN-AJ Green
#5 ARI-Von Miller
#6 CLE-Julio Jones
#7 SF-Robert Quinn
#8 TEN-Nick Fairly
#9 POOP-Prince Amukamura

I would take Cameron Jordan.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 4, 2011 3:00 PM

In your scenario Cam Newton would fall too us at ten. That might be what it takes to facilitate a trade back

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 4, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

yes,yes,yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 4, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse
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Clean up! Aisle 8!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 4, 2011 4:51 PM

LOL!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 6:22 PM | Report abuse

If they resign rogers and move him to Nickel...and then sign Asomugha....

They will have their secondary set for the next 5-10 years.

Posted by: goosedude | March 4, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Draft Wish List

Round 1-
OLB Miller (probably gone)
Marcel Dareus (3-4 DE) probably gone)
JJ Watt (3-4 DE)
Cameron Jordan (3-4 DE)
Phil Taylor (If we dont like anyone on the board and trade down)

Either of the two DE's are going to be studs, they both are very solid vs the run, big bodied and above average athleticism with Jordan approaching freak levels.

Round 2
Phil Taylor (NT) would probably have to trade into last 5 picks of 1st round to have chance)
Akeem Ayers (OLB) if he falls out of first round and we don't get miller.
Rodney Hudson (C) Very athletic center, good pass and run blocker)
Allen Bailey (DE) has size for 3-4, could slide inside to DT in nickel to pass rush.

I think we have to go D with the first two picks. Best case scenario we get Miller and trade up to get Taylor, giving us 3 solid studs (orakpo,taylor, miller) to build a dominant D with. We could also go any 3-4 DE at the top of the 1st and try to grab Ayers or Hudson.

Posted by: DaFunBunch | March 4, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

A TOP Secondary?

Carlos [I dropped another INT] will no doubt be leaving, tired of hearing of all his dropped INT.

However, he is a fairly good cover CB
And DeAngelo Hall, though he knows how to catch, is not as good a cover CB as Rogers.

So, no, Skins do not yet possess a TOP Secondary.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | March 4, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

We do not need a QB this year

Remaining needs, in order of priority:

RT
NT
ILB
ILB
OLB
RG
C
LG
CB
RB
WR
WR

Rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 4, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT WISH:

1 - 3-4 DE CAMERON JORDAN or 3-4 OLB ROBERT QUINN.
2 - G MIKE POUNCEY or C/G STEFEN WISNIEWSKI
5 - NT KENDRICK ELLIS
5 - QB TYROD TAYLOR or QB JOSHUA PORTIS
6 - OLB STEVEN FRIDAY or DE CEDRICK THORNTON
7 - WR DeANDRE BROWN or WR DENARIUS MOORE
7 - JUSTIN ROGERS CB

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 4, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse


The Washington Redskins are building another pile of crap. Allen is worthless (McNabb, Brown), and Danny boy has his hands on the wheel, fools. This bucket of crap will always be just that, until the little man sells. Waste those valuable dollars fools, so when the bottom falls out and Shanahan gets the ax, you'll be saying to yourself, damnit, that Flip_Flop is Tip-Top, fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Slow night guess everyone is out :D

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yes if we sign Namdi.
Round 1
Von Miller- (OLB) Stud pass rusher, sure pro bowler that will complement Rak. people say he won't be there, but look, the Cards need a QB, and so do the Niners. Gabbert and Newton will go at 5 and 7 respectively. Dallas has enough 3-4 backers. We're on the clock and the pick Von Miller will be said in less than a minute.

Round 2
Phil Taylor- (NT) could slip to us due to weight and character concerns.

Agreeing with most of you guys, we need D with the first two picks. If we get Miller and get Taylor in the 2nd, we have a solid D. Sign WR Sidney Rice, Draft a QB in the 5th, O-Line depth in the 6th and our first 7th. A CB w/our last pick. Bring UDFA RB's to minicamp and see who impresses.

Posted by: cdavislong21 | March 4, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess you flip burgers and flop them around to the drive thru?

We all hate Danny, but I think he is doing the right thing by stepping back letting the NFL peeps handle thangs.

Question is why post here and call everyone fools?

Why not troll the Bills/Browns/Raiders forums who have been much worse than skins the past 5 yrs?

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cdavislong21 | March 4, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

From what ive heard, no way Miller falls that far, but we can only wish---but we could trade #10 pick for later 1st round and add another 2nd and maybe a 3rd also.

IMHO we need to see how FA works out---whenever that is---then decide what we need to draft as over 200 FA's hit the market...Hopefully before the draft

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I think we all just need to relax a little bit. Free agency hasnt really even started yet. I think we can fill a few holes in free agency and then we still have the draft. We all must remember that last yr there really wasnt a free agency period because all of the good players were restricted so technically this should be Shanahans first chance to upgrade the roster.

Posted by: wattsicon | March 4, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wattsicon | March 4, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

From what ive heard, no way Miller falls that far, but we can only wish---but we could trade #10 pick for later 1st round and add another 2nd and maybe a 3rd also.

IMHO we need to see how FA works out---whenever that is---then decide what we need to draft as over 200 FA's hit the market...Hopefully before the draft

Agreed. I've heard it both No and Yes (depending on who you talk to) regarding Miller's availibility, but either way its way too soon to predict. And yeah once the CBA gets hammered out (hopefully sometime next wk) we will know who's available in FA.

Posted by: cdavislong21 | March 4, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/37462/60/2011-combine-risers--and--fallers

Good stuff on draft picks...As history has shown--combine is not always correct :)

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse


Question is why post here and call everyone fools?

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 8:58 PM |

Because, you have got to be a fool to believe Allen is anything more than a numbers guy, he is not a talent guy. Add the fact that Danny Boy is the Commander and Chief of the Redskins, and you don't think he meddles in football operations would make you a total fool. Ride on total fool !


Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Round 2
Phil Taylor- (NT) could slip to us due to weight and character concerns.

Agreeing with most of you guys, we need D with the first two picks. If we get Miller and get Taylor in the 2nd, we have a solid D. Sign WR Sidney Rice, Draft a QB in the 5th, O-Line depth in the 6th and our first 7th. A CB w/our last pick. Bring UDFA RB's to minicamp and see who impresses.

Posted by: cdavislong21 | March 4, 2011 8:53 PM

He would be a heck of a pick at that point because he fits such a big need.

I keep trying to make a case in my mind for DE at the #10 spot, but I'm having a challenge doing that. Reading into what Haslett says what he sees his defense being, Haslett isn't looking for a playmaker at that position. Hence no need for a high first round pick at that position. What's seems more probable to me is that they get FA like Marcus Spears, solid vet against the run, and draft that position in the middle rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ouch my feelings are hurt...Please focus on flipping burgers and hopefully they wont flop too much...Paying customers will be pissed.

Per Mr. Sheen

"Winning"

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 4, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I just wish the CBA would get done soonish then see what FA's fit skins needs.....Then we can define what should be drafted. Think skins should draft Burger_flop with the 7th rnd pick though---the flip skils are elite for that round.

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

1. Getting a franchise QB doesn't get you anywhere unless and until you can protect him. See Patrick Ramsey ... then see what the Falcons and the Jets did the two years before they got Ryan and Sanchez, respectively.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM

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"Getting a franchise QB..."?

Hilarious! As if any QB could be a franchise Qb. Good one sween. How exactly did the Qb position become the highest paid position in the league again? You know, with franchise Qbs being a dime a dozen...See Patrick Ramsey, or Tim Couch, or Erik Crouch, or ARE, or Matt Jones...This is the part when I say "ah you get the picture," but unfortunately not, if Patrick Ramsey is a franchise Qb.
Hilarious!

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse


skinswillwin,

The Redskins will win 6 games next year, unless the Haynesworth drama becomes so elevated that they forget that's the object of the game. Stick with me, total fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

It's more likely we didn't develop them properly, ruined them in development, gave up too soon on them, or some combination of the above.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 3:29 PM

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Kinda like what we are doing with our current offensive line? We have so much youth on our offensive line, yet you among others cry about we need offensive linemen or offensive linemen is our weakness.

Let me word it how you or sween would: We have numerous franchise Left Tackles, Guards and Centers on our team. We just need to surround them with a good QB, RB, and WR's and then let our franchise offensive linemen just develop and not give up on them so soon.

This is great! Everybody in the NFL is a franchise player. They just need other franchise players surrounding them for us yuppies to see it.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Flip_Flop,

Can I be a fool too?

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse


Flip_Flop,

Can I be a fool too?

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:00 PM |

If you must, I mean after all, it is a free country. You will have plenty of friends.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

skinswillwin,

The Redskins will win 6 games next year, unless the Haynesworth drama becomes so elevated that they forget that's the object of the game. Stick with me, total fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Ok can we flag this post as a "lost IQ" by reading this plz? Stick to Burgerking forums plz

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You will have plenty of friends.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 10:08 PM

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Kool. Can I call you friend number 4? Sorry numbers 1,2,and 3 are already taken by me, myself, and I on this lonely Friday night.*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse


Kool. Can I call you friend number 4? Sorry numbers 1,2,and 3 are already taken by me, myself, and I on this lonely Friday night.*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:13 PM |

Oh my !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Kool. Can I call you friend number 4? Sorry numbers 1,2,and 3 are already taken by me, myself, and I on this lonely Friday night.*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry those numbers are value meals, but he may flop them so check ur bag

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"You know what I like about the media? They think you can just dial 1-800-GETAQUARTERBACK," Bill Parcells on NFL Network show :SoundFX

Bill Parcells must not of got the memo from Alan4 and dcsween. franchise Qb's grow on trees!

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I am now thinking FliP_Wip is vinny c---wow he does need a new job

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse


Ok can we flag this post as a "lost IQ" by reading this plz? Stick to Burgerking forums plz

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:12 PM |

The virus skinswillwin is spreading. Time to check out. Good nite fools. Hail to the bucket of crap.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry those numbers are value meals, but he may flop them so check ur bag

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:18 PM

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lol.

Even if he flops the order as long as it is delivered to me in a skirt and rollerblades I won't complain.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Re: The Insider

Crappy.

Now our blog sounds like some lame-arsed movie Nick Cage did just to get a buck.

Whateves.

Who wants to bet $$ that David Donovan called WaPo and told them they didn't have permish to use "Redskins" to officially name a portion of their site?

Posted by: p1funk"


Or maybe, the organization is going to change the name before long..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 4, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess you flip burgers and flop them around to the drive thru?

We all hate Danny, but I think he is doing the right thing by stepping back letting the NFL peeps handle thangs.

Question is why post here and call everyone fools?

Why not troll the Bills/Browns/Raiders forums who have been much worse than skins the past 5 yrs?

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 8:58 PM |

Actually he flips on his back in truck stop bathrooms as hairy, sweaty, geeked up truckers flop their junk on his face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The virus skinswillwin is spreading.

Lets all hope my name will say it all moving forward...

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe, the organization is going to change the name before long..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 10:28 PM

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Looks like we've already been renamed to the Washington "bucket of crap." see Flip_Flop's golden nugget at 10:22pm

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Actually he flips on his back in truck stop bathrooms as hairy, sweaty, geeked up truckers flop their junk on his face.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:28 PM

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It's not an insult if the insulted actually likes it.

If you really want to insult Flip_Flop--who btw is receiving well deserved pub tonight--just tell him how kind and loving he is.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Flip Saunders mom died, so peace to her..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Flip_Flop's

Mc'ds is pissed that flip flop burgers, thus why the burgerking could use him as a back up

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Flip Saunders mom died, so peace to her..

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 10:39 PM

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Cosign

Not enough Goth Basketball fans in the world.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

It's not an insult if the insulted actually likes it.

If you really want to insult Flip_Flop--who btw is receiving well deserved pub tonight--just tell him how kind and loving he is.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:39 PM |

It's not meant to be an insult as much as to enlighten everyone as to the origin of his screen name. Nothing wrong with being a gay $5 prostitute jacked up on bathtub crank.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not meant to be an insult as much as to enlighten everyone as to the origin of his screen name. Nothing wrong with being a gay $5 prostitute jacked up on bathtub crank.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 10:43 PM


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*chuckle*

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gnite all...cept flip_fail---the trucker prolly has u pig style--have fun!

Hopefully the CBA gets done by next weekend.......

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gnite all...cept flip_fail---the trucker prolly has u pig style--have fun!

Hopefully the CBA gets done by next weekend.......

HTTR

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 4, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Ciroc and Cranberry. Oh yeah.

Only at the house though. Never in public. at least after my last episode:

I had just turned 21 and in Baden Baden, Germany. There is a somewhat swank casino where I ordered a Gin and Cranberry. While chit chatting it up, I was approached by a gay duo who must have assumed I was in the like, you know carrying a cosmopolitan and a cigarette and all. I feel a finger or two snaking it's way from my lower back on down. Next came a gay broken nose and a permanent ban from the premises. later that night I had realized what really happened...i was hustled outta 200 Euros I had won earlier that night!

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Yea Vicc, if you're a dude you should never drink vodka and cranberry in public.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Yea Vicc, if you're a dude you should never drink vodka and cranberry in public.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 11:06 PM

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lol.

I joined the service at age 17. My mom had to sign permission. I spent a good portion of my 3 year term in Heidelberg. There you can drink at 16 and smoke cigarettes at any age really as long as you can reach up and put 4 Euros in a the cigarette vending machines everywhere.

I didn't really figure out proper bar etiquette, if there is such a thing lol, until I came back to the states.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I joined the service at age 17. My mom had to sign permission. I spent a good portion of my 3 year term in Heidelberg. There you can drink at 16 and smoke cigarettes at any age really as long as you can reach up and put 4 Euros in a the cigarette vending machines everywhere.

I didn't really figure out proper bar etiquette, if there is such a thing lol, until I came back to the states.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

No worries my man. Thanks for the service. That makes you a hero.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 4, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Kool scamp

Last.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I just wish the CBA would get done soonish then see what FA's fit skins needs.....Then we can define what should be drafted. Think skins should draft Burger_flop with the 7th rnd pick though---the flip skils are elite for that round.

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 4, 2011 9:46 PM

Was actually thinking that the Skins would benefit more than other teams by having the draft before FA. Since we have so many needs, I'd prefer to go after best player available in the draft, then pick over the large FA pool for the next group of new Skins.

I think mgmt has a pretty good idea on which guys are leaving in FA. Other teams have a more complicated FA situation. Which is also advantageous to us.

If FA comes first, I can see a situation where the Skins go after a FA because the kid they like in the draft -- they don't think he'll be there when they pick. But the draft goes differently, and the kid is there, but they already went FA to fill that need.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2011 12:44 AM | Report abuse

John Cougar Harvey Oswald was a anti-kist ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKlLI94xx8k

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2011 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Was actually thinking that the Skins would benefit more than other teams by having the draft before FA.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 5, 2011 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Another reason to disregard every thought you have.

I'm on to you. You are the easiest fool to spot.

Get yourself on record as against everything....and once in a while you get to proclaim success vis-a-vis someone else failing.

Are F-ing insane?

In no way will the draft before FA help the Redskins or any team.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 5, 2011 2:53 AM | Report abuse

But by all means...Let's bring in Tarvaris Jackson right zcezce?


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 5, 2011 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Just to "Kick the tires" of course.


Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 5, 2011 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Because all you know how to do is "Kick the tires"...

And stub your toe.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | March 5, 2011 5:05 AM | Report abuse


Oh wow, I have gotten about 3 or 4 different samples from major brands. It is not difficult to find them. Search online for "123 Get Samples" you can find them easily.

Posted by: lyndagraze | March 5, 2011 5:16 AM | Report abuse


Oh wow, I have gotten about 3 or 4 different samples from major brands. It is not difficult to find them. Search online for "123 Get Samples" you can find them easily.

Posted by: lyndagraze | March 5, 2011 5:18 AM | Report abuse

The new secondary:

DeAngelo Hall

OJ Otogwe

LaRon Landry

?

? is either someone on the roster, in the draft, a free agent, or a re-signed player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:27 AM | Report abuse

...about 3 or 4 different samples from major brands.

Posted by: lyndagraze | March 5, 2011 5:18 AM

If that is the answer, what was the question?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Tryon?...No team in the NFL should start two corners going 5'10 and 5'8"ish these days.


You're thinking old school.

You're thinking the 5'8" corner is covering some 6'3" 220 receiver.

Today, with 3-4 wide sets, the 3rd corner has to be someone quick enough to cover the slot receiver.

You really need 3 very good corners today, not 2.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

? is either someone on the roster, in the draft, a free agent, or a re-signed player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:27 AM

Or no one if we try a radical new defensive alignment, a 3-5-3.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The Insider

Hey......?

What happened.

This blog is no longer Redskin Insider.

Why no RI?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

No NFL business until the CBA is done.

That blows.

I love the March/April/May time of year.

Don't take that away from a Redskins fan.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 5, 2011 7:40 AM | Report abuse

The Insider

Hey......?

What happened.

This blog is no longer Redskin Insider.

Why no RI?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't like the Insider, or the picture of Kim Jung Il at the top right of the page.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 5, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

? is either someone on the roster, in the draft, a free agent, or a re-signed player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:27 AM

Or no one if we try a radical new defensive alignment, a 3-5-3.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 7:35 AM
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We have so many safeties on the roster that we could play an 0-11.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

...about 3 or 4 different samples from major brands.

Posted by: lyndagraze | March 5, 2011 5:18 AM

If that is the answer, what was the question?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 7:31 AM
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Beeps, don't play with the drive-by spammers. We all know they will be burning in their own very special corner of hell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Carlos stay, but I'm betting he wants O-U-T.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Here'a hopin'. Can you spell........ASOMUGHA 17 million, ASOMUGHA 17 million, ASOMUGHA 17 million.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

No NFL business until the CBA is done.


Be positive.

The fact that they've been able to put together a 7 extension of the old agreement indicates they can get something done.

What I'd like to see is a complete layout of each sides' argument and a listing of 'sticking points'.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 8:06 AM | Report abuse

...the picture of Kim Jung Il at the top right of the page.

Mike Jones looks like a fat kid with a very big bag of candy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Beeps, don't play with the drive-by spammers. We all know they will be burning in their own very special corner of hell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 7:55 AM

Why do they do that? The Post's rules are very clear:

"You agree not to submit inappropriate content. Inappropriate content includes any content that ...

* contains advertising or solicitation of any kind."

People who do this sort of thing are just the scum of the earth. Maybe they didn't read the rules as carefully as I did?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

What I'd like to see is a complete layout of each sides' argument and a listing of 'sticking points'.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 8:06 AM

In all labor negotiations there is only one sticking point: money.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"You really need 3 very good corners today, not 2.Posted by: gimmesummoe"

I think most defensive coordinators would agree. And you need them healthy.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Building a top secondary? No.
Piecing together a competent secondary? Maybe.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 5, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

The great teams build with Linemen.

No truer words were ever posted.

Many of us have been saying this for years in these posts.


As good as Aaron and Ben are, they would have never played in the Super Bowl without good lines and defenses.

Posted by: pjente | March 5, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does it seem like the RI is missing an incredible amount of info?
Not only do the biggest Skins' stories get broken on other sites (pft and espn mostly), but some inside info like which players the team interviewed in Indy at the combine are being missed entirely.
What's going on??

Posted by: sdunn1 | March 5, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

As good as Aaron and Ben are, they would have never played in the Super Bowl without good lines and defenses.

Posted by: pjente | March 5, 2011 8:40 AM |

This is a joke, right? No one thinks these teams have top offensive lines.

Not sure what your measure of "good line" is but how about sacks? Steelers allowed 43 sacks -- eighth worst in the league. Packers allowed 38 -- 11th worst in the league. The best teams on this metric are Giants, Colts, Falcons, and Patriots.

How about rushing average? Redskins were 16th in the league with 4.2 yards per rush. Pittsburgh was 17th with 4.1 yards. And the Super Bowl winners, the Packers, were 26th in the league with 3.8 yard average.

So, all you geniuses who have been saying for years that "great teams build with linemen" (and congratulating yourselves for saying it) need to account for these two great teams -- Steelers and Packers -- who are getting it done with below average offensive lines.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

What's going on??

Posted by: sdunn1 | March 5, 2011 9:26 AM

The Redskins hate the Post and are getting the stories out to other media first.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Re: The "Sign Nnamdi" Crowd

Yeah! Let's do it! He's gonna demand a bazillion $$, but hey, whatever. We're giving out contracts again, and it's all going to work out. DHall will make a bazillion. Nnamdi will make a bazillion. And of course when we have to re-up with LL30, he's gonna make a bazillion too. But whateves - good thing this operation runs on monopoly money, otherwise I don't know how we'd pay for an Oline, QB, NT, OLB, #1 and #2 WR.


Re: The "Atogwe Signing was a Great Move" Crowd

No it isn't. At best the jury is still out - let's see how the rest of the roster fills out. But on the face of it we gave a 5 year contract to a guy who will be 30 when the season begins and we are rebuilding.

Yeah, maybe he'll be the next Ed Reed, I guess that's possible. And maybe Larry Johnson still has an 1800 yard season in him. Maybe Willie Parker still runs a 4.2. Maybe Donovan McNabb will plug right into this system and lead us to the NFC Championship.

FS was NOT a priority need for this team - not with the pass rush as anemic as it was, not with the Oline in the dregs, not with a big fat ?? at QB, not with our best Dlinemen on suspension, not with our WR corps sporting Anthony Armstrong as our best guy. Our secondary already features 2 Pro-Bowl caliber players, and now we are spending $$ on a FS?? If the FO thought FS was a priority need this offseason, then all I can say is: Different heads, different arses, same positions as we saw from the Cerrato Circus.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

...the picture of Kim Jung Il at the top right of the page.

Mike Jones looks like a fat kid with a very big bag of candy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 8:09 AM | Report abuse


Mike Jones looks like a Conan O'Brien Composite photo of JReid's and JLa's love-child.

Fitting, actually.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

FS was NOT a priority need for this team - not with the pass rush as anemic as it was, not with the Oline in the dregs, not with a big fat ?? at QB, not with our best Dlinemen on suspension, not with our WR corps sporting Anthony Armstrong as our best guy. Our secondary already features 2 Pro-Bowl caliber players, and now we are spending $$ on a FS?? If the FO thought FS was a priority need this offseason, then all I can say is: Different heads, different arses, same positions as we saw from the Cerrato Circus.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how the Skins would've done with another season of poor play from the FS spot. Maybe K Moore could have grown into the role, but to date Moore has been injury prone and very inconsistent to say the least. In a passing league, playing in a defense with multiple looks and pressures from DBs, the FS position is a priority need. It had to be addressed for the defense to play at a consistent level going forward.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how the Skins would've done with another season of poor play from the FS spot. Maybe K Moore could have grown into the role, but to date Moore has been injury prone and very inconsistent to say the least. In a passing league, playing in a defense with multiple looks and pressures from DBs, the FS position is a priority need. It had to be addressed for the defense to play at a consistent level going forward.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The play at FS came into focus this season for 2 reasons.

1) LL30 got injured, which forced the FS into a bigger run-support role than anticipated - especially since our Dline plugged the run about as well as a pasta drainer plugs water leaks.

2) No pressure on the QB from the front 7. This is the hallmark of a 3-4. The reason you do a 3-4 is to mix-up your front 7 looks, confuse the QB and pressure him with an array of blitzes. We had fewer sacks this year than we did last year in Greg Blache's boring "stand-around" 4-3. Albert Haynesworth led our Dlinemen in sacks.

If you get LL30 back healthy, and the front 7 does what it is designed to do, we are not having this discussion about FS.

Let's not forget that Kareem Moore was all the rage in training camp and preseason. Then he got injured. Then the team acknowledged that they rushed him back from injury.

Say what you want about his bad tackling and poor angles (weren't we saying the same thing a year ago about landry?). Dude did not get a fair shot to showcase what he has last year.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Say what you want about his bad tackling and poor angles (weren't we saying the same thing a year ago about landry?). Dude did not get a fair shot to showcase what he has last year.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 10:21 AM

Injuries is a big part of why a move at FS had to be made. As I said Kareem hasn't shown he can stay healthy. This is one of the reasons he hasn't gotten a "fair shot". Couple the fact that Kareem was the only true FS on the team, the team was very thin at that position. I can understand, although I disagree with, your position with OJ. However, the Skins were going to make a move at the FS spot this offseason either via the draft or FA because it is one of the thinnest positions on the team while being vital to the success of the defense.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

p1funk is smoking Moore crack. I'm with TWISI and with John Keim on this one. Keim has a clear head:

Atogwe is Moore what Skins need

By: John Keim 03/03/11 8:05 PM
Examiner Staff Writer

O.J. Atogwe has 22 career interceptions. --
During the summer, the storyline seemed plausible: The Redskins had two young safeties who were bonding and would develop into playmakers. LaRon Landry lived up to that billing.

Kareem Moore did not.

And that's why O.J. Atogwe is in Washington today. The Redskins signed Atogwe to a five-year deal worth a reported $26 million. He's never made a Pro Bowl, and he might not be a top-10 safety. But he is solid.

"We definitely needed a safety," Redskins defensive end Vonnie Holliday said. "He works hard and is a smart player.

Perhaps Moore would have developed. But he showed no signs of great improvement in his first season as a starter, slowed by a bad knee that required surgery in August. That didn't help. But that also wasn't the reason he took numerous bad angles in run support, nor could it explain all the missed tackles. And durability remains an issue.

Atogwe, an OK tackler, is a ballhawk with 22 career interceptions (though only five in the past two seasons). It stems from his instincts, which, paired with cornerback DeAngelo Hall, give Washington two such players in the secondary. Atogwe's instincts are excellent.

But how much of an upgrade is this for the defense? It's an improvement at safety, but until the Redskins find a nose tackle and improve the pass rush at linebacker, it will be a second-tier unit.

However, there could be limited ways to get better this offseason if there's an extended lockout and free agency is affected. The Redskins jumped when they had their first chance at improvement. Their next opportunity may not come for a while.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/cheers-jeers/2011/03/atogwe-moore-what-skins-need#ixzz1FjwPeryy

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"The play at FS came into focus this season for 2 reasons.

1) LL30 got injured, which forced the FS into a bigger run-support role than anticipated - especially since our Dline plugged the run about as well as a pasta drainer plugs water leaks."

The FS issue started LOOONG before Landry got injured. It started in training camp when Kareem Moore got injured, then it continued in week 2 when his replacement Reed Doughty couldn't knock down a jump ball to lose a game against Houston, then it continued immediately after Moore returned when Stephen Jackson gave him a high school shimmy and shook Moore out of his boots for the easiest long-run TD I can recall, then it continued all throughout the season relentlessly as teams destroyed the Redskins secondary through the ground (which is saying something). Brandon Jackson ripped off an 80 yarder through Moore, and he lost his job to an UFA by year's end. Then the issue culminated by Moore getting hurt again and needing a second surgery.

We might as well rely on Malcolm Kelly to be our starting WR if we want to rely on Kareem Moore to be our starting FS. Both are all the rage in training camp, both show extreme deficiencies in the field of play, both have 'talent' to be more than they are, and both have tormented injury issues that always seem to keep them from reaching their potential.

Neither is a starter.

This team absolutely has other and greater needs, but you don't get better by ignoring one need when a great option is staring you in the face at a moderate price. Signing OJ Atogwe has no impact on whether the Redskins can fix their QB situation this year. None whatsoever. And given the cuts that have been made with regards to salary dumping, it'll have no impact on fixing any of the other needs either.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Well reasoned psps23. I'd put it ahead of Keim's analysis.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

And what is Keim saying that is so contradictory to what I've said?

He acknowledges that this safety upgrade is contingent on the front 7 playing better.

He acknowledges that Moore was slowed by knee injuries. He's ready to throw the towel in on Moore, all I'm saying is that we don't know what we have there. Maybe Moore can't stay healthy, but that's not the "problem" that has been cited for the signing.

( And who gives a rat's arse about Philip Daniel's quote. What's he gonna say: "Man, we don't Atogwe. Why the heck did we sign this guy?")

So Atogwe is a solid safety who is an OK tackler...whoopdeedoo. I never said he's horrible. I only said he's 30, and we are rebuilding, and that's a head-scratcher to me.

But if we are counting on Atogwe to be the run-stuffer that Moore wasn't then we've mispent that $26mill in a bigger way than we realize now. He's a ballhawk who punishes mistakes. But if our front 7 isn't forcing any mistakes (like last year) then what's he gonna bring really?

Moore is also a ball-hawking type of safety (4 turnovers and 8 passes defended in 13 career starts, not bad for a younger 6th round pick that is still developing). We can pillory him for a few big whiffs on some key tackling opportunities, but we had him back there for his play in pass coverage, and that's never been the knock.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

1. Getting a franchise QB doesn't get you anywhere unless and until you can protect him. See Patrick Ramsey ... then see what the Falcons and the Jets did the two years before they got Ryan and Sanchez, respectively.

Posted by: dcsween | March 4, 2011 3:03 PM

"Getting a franchise QB..."?

Hilarious! As if any QB could be a franchise Qb. Good one sween. How exactly did the Qb position become the highest paid position in the league again? You know, with franchise Qbs being a dime a dozen...See Patrick Ramsey, or Tim Couch, or Erik Crouch, or ARE, or Matt Jones...This is the part when I say "ah you get the picture," but unfortunately not, if Patrick Ramsey is a franchise Qb.
Hilarious!

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 9:47 PM

It's more likely we didn't develop them properly, ruined them in development, gave up too soon on them, or some combination of the above.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 4, 2011 3:29 PM

Kinda like what we are doing with our current offensive line? We have so much youth on our offensive line, yet you among others cry about we need offensive linemen or offensive linemen is our weakness.

Let me word it how you or sween would: We have numerous franchise Left Tackles, Guards and Centers on our team. We just need to surround them with a good QB, RB, and WR's and then let our franchise offensive linemen just develop and not give up on them so soon.

This is great! Everybody in the NFL is a franchise player. They just need other franchise players surrounding them for us yuppies to see it.

Posted by: Vicc | March 4, 2011 9:58 PM

The cranberry drinks are kicking your estrogen into overdrive. You read and react like a woman.

Read carefully. The point was about getting an offensive line to protect a QB who you blow a draft choice on. Sanchez and Ryan would be busted by now if they had to play behind the line starters and depth the Skins have relied. Of course Ramsey is not a franchise QB. Whether he might have been any good if he wasn't ragdolled on every snap is anyone's guess.

Overselling your point by saying everyone wants franchise offensive linemen is a strawman. Nice on the yuppie line though. Adds a lot of power to your point. Sounds like the power of the dasummies (dumbass suburban morons).

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2011 11:07 AM |

Dude - on a scale of 0-10 what would you say the Insult Index on RI is today?

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2011 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The second surgery was directly related to him being rushed back from the first too early. His coaches even said they rushed him back. All you are basically saying is that Moore was playing on a gimpy knee all year. Which is what I'm saying.

And this signing may very well have a direct impact on LL30's extension - which will fetch about 7-8mill/year if he plays at the All-Pro level we hope. And how we can pay other guys.

Getting Atogwe at over $5mill/year is not some kind of "great" deal, especially when the average salary for a safety in the NFL is around $1mill/year.

Did we overpay for a bust? No. Probably not. But we've gotten so used to overpaying for busts, that we're eager to pop the champagne when we can avoid doing that.

Having a $5mill/year free safety is expensive. That's a fact. It's more expensive than what most of the teams in the NFL are paying their free safety.

And he'll be 30 at the start of the season.

And we're rebuilding.

And we've got alot of other people/positions to pay on the team.

So, I'll go ahead and stick with my reservations about calling this a "Great Signing", and say the jury is still out.


Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Fight the power.

Fight the power.

Fight the power.

We gotta fight the powers that be.

(INSERT Terminator X scratch atop Flava Flav adlibs and Chuck D baritone growl.)

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:02 AM

It's always funny for me to see what topics you dig your heels in on.

1. DHall
2. CP taking a dive
3. OJ

OJ is a great signing and fills a need w/o a ridiculous contract, w/o a draft pick, and adds a dynamic that we lack. We get a guy in OJ that not only makes plays much like DHall but can actually cover. This will make everybody in the secondary better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Steelers and Packers -- who are getting it done with below average offensive lines.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 9:44 AM |

That's a big exaggeration. While neither team's OL is going to be called great both team's OL had pro bowl selections - the Pack had Clifton and Pitt had Pouncey. The stats you cite are a function of more than just line play. RB stats are a function of how good the RB is and sack stats are a function of how long the QB holds on to the ball. In the SB Rodgers was sacked 3 times. During the regular season Pitt was one of the top defensive teams averaging 4 sacks per game.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

It's always funny for me to see what topics you dig your heels in on.

1. DHall
2. CP taking a dive
3. OJ

OJ is a great signing and fills a need w/o a ridiculous contract, w/o a draft pick, and adds a dynamic that we lack. We get a guy in OJ that not only makes plays much like DHall but can actually cover. This will make everybody in the secondary better.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse


Well, let's see.

1) DHall went to the ProBowl.
2) CP did take a dive

So I'm 2 for 2 there.

I just don;t get why I need to break out the streamers and hats for this OJ signing.

I didn;t say he was horrible. I haven't called it the second coming of Albert Haynesworth.

I'm saying it's a mixed bag and the jury's out on this one. I understand all the arguments for the guys with Atogwe-stiffies. I'm simply pointing out that there are some potential "cons" to this move as well.

And you even bring up one of the points that skews the perception, I believe:

We didn't give him a "ridiculous" contract.

Not giving him a "ridiculous" contract does not mean we made a great signing, or even a great contract. We didn't get him cheap. We likely offered him more money than any other teams he visited.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

We likely offered him more money than any other teams he visited.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:58 AM |

Not sure if he visited Dallas. They need help at safety as much as the Skins and may well have offered more $$$ but he chose the Skins because he likes to play for Haslett.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

RB stats are a function of how good the RB is

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

True.

I have a hard time believing that the Pack would have had that low a rush-ranking if Ryan Grant had been healthy.

The fair thing to do would be to look at the Pack's rushing stats from previous seasons when Grant was healthy.

Or look at the stats when Starks was toting the rock.

My bet is that the stat will end up indicating that Brandon Jackson just kind of sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:58 AM |

Not sure if he visited Dallas. They need help at safety as much as the Skins and may well have offered more $$$ but he chose the Skins because he likes to play for Haslett.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

He didn't.

I'm actually not sure if he visited any other teams, though there was reported to be alot of interest from Buffalo. I'm sure his agent was in contact with other teams. He said there was still the possibility of returning to St. Louis.

Either way, $5mill/year is not a bargain deal. Atogwe is not considered among the elite guys at his position. Better than the guys we have? Sure. But we're paying for it. It's not a "great" deal. It could be a fair deal if he plays up to his potential. If he turns out to be an All-Pro or a ProBowl selection, then it could be a "great" deal.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

p1- OJ came in and met with the Skins and then left. He then proceeded to meet with several other teams and then choose to sign with the us. Just a few YRs ago he would have never left that 1st meeting with us w/o us outbidding ourselves and "winning". He signed a very fair contract and we have upgraded our secondary.

Still have a long way to go on D (OLB,NT, CB, 3-4 DE) but that's one down.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe OJ's agent should have lied and said he signed here for less money. That approach seemed to work for Rogers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I understand all the arguments for the guys with Atogwe-stiffies.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 11:58 AM |

It wasn't a stiffy but my balls did churn a few rotations.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Phillip Daniels on Jarmon:

Daniels: "Coming off injuries is always tough and I think he was still working his weight off a bit. In camp he wasn't full speed but as the season went on he got stronger and stronger, so he should be a major player in this scheme next year. Of course they did have him drop weight. Tried him at LB and see how he looked there. He just couldn't hold that weight so they told him to gain weight and I think he's up to 290 and he looks good. He did some good things at the end of the season. He said he's going to train hard this off-season and be ready to go."

Put Jarmon into the rotation at 3-4 DE. I'm expecting a big year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Put Jarmon into the rotation at 3-4 DE. I'm expecting a big year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:33 PM |

It would be nice to see some impact production out of him.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

NFL Draft Blog
Rob RAng

Poll of NFL sources finds gulf of opinion on QBs
Posted on: March 5, 2011 12:21 pm

Since the Combine ended Tuesday, I've been polling league sources on their rankings of the quarterbacks. I spoken or texted with seven sources (ranging from area scouts to front office executives) as of Saturday morning and have some interesting results.

In six of the seven cases, Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert were the top two rated quarterbacks. Four teams had Auburn's Newton as the top passer. Three had Gabbert. All three of the Gabbert fans noted, however, that his March 17 Pro Day would significantly impact their grade on him.

Interestingly enough, the same four teams that rated Newton No. 1 had Arkansas' Ryan Mallett ranked as the third QB -- with one exception. One of these clubs had the rankings had Mallett as the No. 2 passer behind Netwon. This source is obviously less concerned about the so-called character questions of these two SEC stars than other teams.

The wildcard of the QB rankings was Washington's Jake Locker. Three teams had Locker as the 3rd rated quarterback. The other four teams rated Locker 4th (two teams), 6th and 7th, respectively in this year's QB class.

The other QBs jumping ahead of Locker for these clubs were Florida State's Christian Ponder, TCU's Andy Dalton and Nevada's Colin Kaepernick.

Given the choice between "sure," "likely," and "unlikely" five of the seven sources thought it was "likely" that all seven of the quarterbacks made the first three rounds.

To put that in perspective, seven quarterbacks being drafted in the first three rounds has happened only twice in the past 40 years (excluding the USFL.CFL-impacted Supplemental Draft in 1984).

Teams are certainly hoping that this year's group will enjoy more NFL success than the past two classes that sent this many highly-graded quarterbacks to the pros. The 1999 class featured huge busts in Tim Couch, Akili Smith and Cade McNown, among others. Donovan McNabb and, to a lesser extent, Daunte Culpepper were the success stories of the class. With the exception of Jay Cutler (and to a lesser extent Vince Young, Tarvaris Jackson) the 2006 class has yet to establish itself, either.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

He just couldn't hold that weight so they told him to gain weight and I think he's up to 290 and he looks good. He did some good things at the end of the season. He said he's going to train hard this off-season and be ready to go."

Put Jarmon into the rotation at 3-4 DE. I'm expecting a big year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see him add another 10-15 lbs. I think he'll step up this year as well.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"...both team's OL had pro bowl selections - the Pack had Clifton and Pitt had Pouncey. The stats you cite are a function of more than just line play. RB stats are a function of how good the RB is and sack stats are a function of how long the QB holds on to the ball. In the SB Rodgers was sacked 3 times. During the regular season Pitt was one of the top defensive teams averaging 4 sacks per game.Posted by: FreekyGeeky"

Couple comments on this reasoning: first, Pro Bowl selections aren't a good measure of current ability -- players are often voted in due to team success or past rep. Second, neither GB nor PIT got much from the running backs -- the footballoutsiders ratings, for instance, had Mendenhall at 21st and B. Jackson at 34th, behind Ryan Torain. As far as sacks, Big Ben is notorious for holding on to the ball, but Aaron Rodgers isn't. Of Roeth's 32 sacks, 20 came after 3 seconds. For Rodgers, the ratio was 10 of 31.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link to the sack stats for anybody who is interested:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2011/quarterbacks-and-sack-times

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

NFL Draft rumors: Post-Combine

What the buzz is following the workouts in Indy. Wes Bunting

What I have been hearing ever since leaving the NFL Combine.

JonesJones proved he's quite the athlete.

• Following the Combine, the word I received from a number of scouts is that because of his workout, Alabama’s Julio Jones now likely will be the number one overall wideout off the board over Georgia’s A.J. Green.

• Also following the wide receiver workout a lot of scouts I spoke with were really down on San Diego State’s Vincent Brown, stating that his 4.70 40-time could push him down into the later round range.

• One guy who a lot of scouts are down on is South Carolina tight end Weslye Saunders. After showing up a little soft at 270 pounds, a broken bone discovered in his foot during the medical caused him to be unable to workout. After speaking with a couple scouts about him afterward, I was getting the impression he’s not going to be on many teams’ draft boards after this.

• Hearing that if one of the top offensive tackle prospects in the draft were to fall to the Ravens at the end of round one, there would definitely be a lot of interest.

• The more sources I talk with the more I get the feeling that the Patriots will not only be in the market for a rush linebacker in round one, but might be willing to buck the trend and look at a smaller/quicker rush guy, staying away from their more patented bigger build.

• Even with the rise of Alabama DT Marcell Dareus, all the scouts I have talked with still think Auburn DT Nick Fairley is the better NFL prospect.

• Talked to a couple of sources who said they have UCLA FS Rahim Moore graded out as nothing higher than a 3rd-round pick.

• The more scouts I discuss Auburn QB Cam Newton with the more they are afraid of not only his off the field character, but the overall posse he could ultimately end up coming into the league with. They raised the concern of just how committed to football he will be and who in his camp could ultimately keep him distracted from developing.

• There is no denying the talents of Colorado CB Jimmy Smith. However, there is a growing concern from scouts I’ve talked with about his character, which they said could cause him to fall a little further on draft day than most presume.

• Finally, I came out of the Combine hearing differing opinions on Pittsburgh WR Jon Baldwin. Some thought he made himself some money with his workout, others thought he was a bit of a disappointment. I really haven’t gathered a legit consensus on the guy, but in my mind he’s an extremely gifted athlete who can make plays down the field. The key is keeping him hungry and motivated.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Teams are certainly hoping that this year's group will enjoy more NFL success than the past two classes that sent this many highly-graded quarterbacks to the pros. The 1999 class featured huge busts in Tim Couch, Akili Smith and Cade McNown, among others. Donovan McNabb and, to a lesser extent, Daunte Culpepper were the success stories of the class. With the exception of Jay Cutler (and to a lesser extent Vince Young, Tarvaris Jackson) the 2006 class has yet to establish itself, either."

Quality is more important than quantity. It's hard to beat the 2004 draft when Eli, Philip and Ben were picked in the 1st 11 selections.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Put Jarmon into the rotation at 3-4 DE. I'm expecting a big year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see him add another 10-15 lbs. I think he'll step up this year as well.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Would love to see him in the rotation more as well.

My concern about having him add more pounds is whether his joints can take it. He's already had one knee surgery. We you start to bulk up past what your frame is built to carry, that's how non-contact blowouts occur.

Jarmon. Had all kinds of potential in the 4-3.

Now we're just hoping to find a spot for him...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

• The more scouts I discuss Auburn QB Cam Newton with the more they are afraid of not only his off the field character, but the overall posse he could ultimately end up coming into the league with.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Like his criminal father for one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Like his criminal father for one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:29 PM |

who also happens to be a man of the cloth.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

... first, Pro Bowl selections aren't a good measure of current ability -- players are often voted in due to team success or past rep. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 12:52 PM |

Interesting that Pitt's Maurice Pouncey, who is widely acknowledged to be the best center in the NFL, was selected to the PB in his second year.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

... first, Pro Bowl selections aren't a good measure of current ability -- players are often voted in due to team success or past rep. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 12:52 PM |

Interesting that Pitt's Maurice Pouncey, who is widely acknowledged to be the best center in the NFL, was selected to the PB in his second year.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Even with the rise of Alabama DT Marcell Dareus, all the scouts I have talked with still think Auburn DT Nick Fairley is the better NFL prospect."

Damned if I can figure out why. He looks more like a DE than a DT. Dareus OTO looked like much the superior prospect. And Alabama should have won the head-to-head with Auburn.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Interesting that Pitt's Maurice Pouncey, who is widely acknowledged to be the best center in the NFL, was selected to the PB in his second year.Posted by: FreekyGeeky"

You mean Maurkice? A very talented guy. Most Pro Bowl players are. But surely you realize players on successful teams have an advantage in voting. You could find plenty of supporters for Ryan Kalil of Carolina, Nick Mangold of the Jets, Shaun O'Hara of NY, Jeff Saturday of Indy, Andre Gurode of Dallas... all very talented centers.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:13 PM | Report abuse

So, all you geniuses who have been saying for years that "great teams build with linemen" (and congratulating yourselves for saying it) need to account for these two great teams -- Steelers and Packers -- who are getting it done with below average offensive lines.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 9:44 AM
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I'm not one of the geniuses, but I am certainly one of the idiots that has been saying you have to start with the offensive line. I don't think you can say either the Steelers' line or the Packers line is below average. I could live with average, or, in the case of the Steelers, I could live with limited in focus.

The Steelers have always sacrificed pass protection for run blocking with their offensive lines. It kind of goes with having a run first offense.

The Packers' offensive line is a work in progress. They got better as the year progressed, and their running game in the playoffs was a prime example of how far they had come. Wouldn't be surprised if they had one of the top rated lines in 2011.

But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Put Jarmon into the rotation at 3-4 DE. I'm expecting a big year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see him add another 10-15 lbs. I think he'll step up this year as well.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Would love to see him in the rotation more as well.

My concern about having him add more pounds is whether his joints can take it. He's already had one knee surgery. We you start to bulk up past what your frame is built to carry, that's how non-contact blowouts occur.

Jarmon. Had all kinds of potential in the 4-3.

Now we're just hoping to find a spot for him...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:27 PM
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I think Haslett made a big mistake with Jarmin in trying to mold him into linebacker and then changing course halfway through the offseason. I think he'll come in a lot of heavier this year - hopefully with a lot more muscle. Remember, last year he was coming off an injury so his workouts were limited in the offseason.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The other QBs jumping ahead of Locker for these clubs were Florida State's Christian Ponder...


We've been on this guy's bandwagon for about 2 months.

Hopefully, he's there for the taking in round 2.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Run or pass blocking? Of course 'magnificent' is a set-up, but using the weighted numbers again, Detroit was a good pass-blocking team, and some of the weaker clubs like Oakland and Cincy were pretty effective run blockers. The Skins finished 22nd in both categories, suggesting a need for overall improvement. OTO they had a lot of injuries and shuffling.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 2:47 PM

RSH--Yesterday was fact-free Friday. Today is stat sated Saturday. Where's ur numbers? I've shown mine. The two Super Bowl teams didn't feature stand out O lines.

As for your "question" that's what you want to ask someone who asserts "If you want to build a losing team, start with a magnificent offensive line."

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Run or pass blocking? Of course 'magnificent' is a set-up, but using the weighted numbers again, Detroit was a good pass-blocking team, and some of the weaker clubs like Oakland and Cincy were pretty effective run blockers. The Skins finished 22nd in both categories, suggesting a need for overall improvement. OTO they had a lot of injuries and shuffling.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:54 PM
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You're right, "magnificent" was a setup. I just don't think a team can consistently do well without a good offensive line. In Shanahan's "run first" offense, it is a real requirement and is part of the reason why he traded, drafted and signed free agents to try to patch the line last season.

Have there been teams with bad lines that have gone far? Maybe, but they always come down to Earth. Teams with good offensive lines seem to routinely hang near the top.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

Run or pass blocking? Of course 'magnificent' is a set-up, but using the weighted numbers again, Detroit was a good pass-blocking team, and some of the weaker clubs like Oakland and Cincy were pretty effective run blockers. The Skins finished 22nd in both categories, suggesting a need for overall improvement. OTO they had a lot of injuries and shuffling.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Cleveland has a pretty outstanding young Oline, and they finished toward the bottom of the standings.

But Peyton Hillis was a ProBowl alternate, and I frankly don't think it's because he's all that - his Oline is and he knows how to run behind it. After all, it's the same Oline that made James Harrison look like an All-Pro.

But you need players everywhere. A good Oline gives the team's playmakers an opportunity to do their jobs. That's it.

If you have playmakers, but they don't get opportunities, then it doesn't matter how talented they are (see Dallas).

If you have a great Oline, but too few playmakers, then it also doesn't matter (see Cleveland).

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

But, let me turn this around and ask if any of the teams at the bottom of the standings had magnificent offensive lines.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 2:47 PM

RSH--Yesterday was fact-free Friday. Today is stat sated Saturday. Where's ur numbers? I've shown mine. The two Super Bowl teams didn't feature stand out O lines.

As for your "question" that's what you want to ask someone who asserts "If you want to build a losing team, start with a magnificent offensive line."


Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 3:09 PM
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Well, let's first start with your statement that Green Bay and Pittsburgh had below average lines. It depends on how you judge a line but Pittsburgh's line gave up 78 hits on the QB versus Washington's gave up 110 hits on the QB. Green Bay's offensive line gave up 67. I know this isn't a smoking gun, statistically speaking, but it does suggest that a team that protects their quarterback will get to the big show. An offense suceeds when the quarterback can stay vertical.

In the running game, the Steelers were number two in rushing in the postseason. Green Bay was sixth. Analysts asked where Green Bay's running game came from in the postseason, but I think it was just the offensive line coming together.

I am not saying the offensive line is the end all, but a great offense usually has a great offensive line. I think I'd rather have a great defense to go along with it, but I think this year in Washington we will have to pick one or the other.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

'Word to your mother' is timeless.'

I'd say the surly companions, "Know what I'm saying?" and "Ya feel me, bro?" have crept into the vernacular on cat's feet.


Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

So what's the plan if CBA is not stamped on before draft? IMHO thats the kicker this offseason..

Posted by: skinswillwin | March 5, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead


Hate to disagree, but today, a top notch front-7 on D beats top o-lines.

There are a few non-playoff teams with excellent o-lines and mediocre quarterbacking.

Kansas City, New York Jets, Ballmer, Indy, New England, Atlanta all have solid o-lines that lost in the playoffs to their betters on D.

It seems all the passing means the more athletic your defenders are, the better equipped they are at defeating solid o-lines.

Build your front-7 defenders first: you'll beat anybody's o-line, no matter how good it or the quarterback is.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"The other QBs jumping ahead of Locker for these clubs were Florida State's Christian Ponder..."

I like Ponder but he sure doesn't seem like a better prospect than Locker.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Analysts asked where Green Bay's running game came from in the postseason, but I think it was just the offensive line coming together.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The issue of GB's Oline in the run game in 2010 is skewed by the loss of Ryan Grant.

In 2008, GB was 17th in rushing. In 2009, they were 14th. In 2010, they were 24th, but they were 6th of 12 teams in the playoffs in rushing which puts them back in the middle of the pack.

So what gives?

In 2010, the Pack lost Ryan Grant and went with Brandon Jackson for most of the regular season. In the postseason, they went with James Starks.

The issue in 2010 with the Pack run game was not sub-par Oline play, it was RB play; Brandon Jackson just kind of sucked and couldn't get it done.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Like his criminal father for one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:29 PM |

who also happens to be a man of the cloth.

Posted by: FreekyGeeky | March 5, 2011 1:48 PM

What's the difference?

Posted by: mack1 | March 5, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-
And the SS was gonna tell you about their secret movement of troop and armored columns through Switzerland (with tacit Swiss gov't consent)...

" If he turns out to be an All-Pro or a ProBowl selection, then it could be a "great" deal.

Posted by: p1funk"

I think Shanny has shown a good eye finding decent DITRs , the mistakes on vets are what concerns me..Yes, depends on personnel upgrades at a few D positions, and mostly the D-line..

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Frak,

WTF?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 5, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

DITR=Diamond in the rough

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"In 2008, GB was 17th in rushing. In 2009, they were 14th. In 2010, they were 24th, but they were 6th of 12 teams in the playoffs in rushing which puts them back in the middle of the pack." posted by p1funk

Which suggests to me they were never particularly effective on the ground and just got markedly worse in 2010. But that isn't always the back -- frequently the blocking goes through periods of ineffectiveness. If you look at the weighted RB numbers, for instance, you see good backs like Stephen Jackson, Jonathan Stewart, and Frank Gore in the bottom tier.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 5, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Build your front-7 defenders first: you'll beat anybody's o-line, no matter how good it or the quarterback is.Posted by: gimmesummoe"

I think many D-coordinators would tell you to start with a pass rush and a set of cover corners. If you can't get to the QB, you can't beat anybody. And there are two reliable ways to the QB: a speedy rush or great coverage so that nobody's open.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Otagwe is a good signing. Spagnuolo is an excellent defensive coach, and reading between the lines Spagnuolo thought he was a very good player, just not a great/franchise player. The Skins can use him.

The Skins should take the best QB available in round 1, and there will be at least one real good one available when they pick. In round 2 they should take the best OL or DL on the board.

Posted by: josettes | March 5, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Samson151

I like Ponder but he sure doesn't seem like a better prospect than Locker.

Draft-wise, yes, Jake Locker is a more attractive prospect than Christian Ponder.

But football-wise, Ponder's accuracy-smarts is why he's a better choice.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Like his criminal father for one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 1:29 PM |

who also happens to be a man of the cloth.

I certainly the folks slammin' Cam Newton are in line for plates o' crow should he prove to be a solid pro player.

Last year, folks ranted that Sam Bradford was brittle, couldn't succeed because he had played in the 'spread' at OU, and had a 'noodle-arm'.

Then Bradford played well.

And the same thing might just happen with Newton.

If Newton is a bust, then it was expected.

But given his charisma and appeal, should he play well in the pros, the kid will be a star.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:06 PM |

By the time of the draft Bradford had added muscle mass and had a good throwing day so the injury factor was minimal. Newton on the other hand is going in the opposite direction. He had a bad interview, a bad throwing day and travels in bad company, which includes a criminal preacher-man. We all know what traveling with the wrong crowd can do. Vick got sucked into the evil underworld of dog fighting. Something similar could easily happen to Newton. All the ingredients are there. You just need a spark to light the fire.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 5, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

... first, Pro Bowl selections aren't a good measure of current ability -- players are often voted in due to team success or past rep. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 12:52 PM |

You mean Maurkice? A very talented guy. Most Pro Bowl players are. But surely you realize players on successful teams have an advantage in voting. You could find plenty of supporters for Ryan Kalil of Carolina, Nick Mangold of the Jets, Shaun O'Hara of NY, Jeff Saturday of Indy, Andre Gurode of Dallas... all very talented centers.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 2:13 PM |

A couple of comments.

1. You like having it both ways:

a. "Pro Bowl selections aren't a good measure of current ability"
b. "A very talented guy. Most Pro Bowl players are."

2. Saturday, O'Hara and Gurode are good examples of your a. view of things - vets riding on their reputations.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 5, 2011 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The other QBs jumping ahead of Locker for these clubs were Florida State's Christian Ponder...

We've been on this guy's bandwagon for about 2 months.

Hopefully, he's there for the taking in round 2.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 2:50 PM |

Who is this "we" you speak of? I haven't noticed any outbpouring on this blog of CP love. But I haven't been tracking everything here. For instance, one time I logged in and there was this pic of some dude named Mike Jones in place of J Reid. How did this happen? As pics go it went from a AH look-a-like to some dude who looks like a flim-flam man. I can see why they changed the name of the blog to "The Insider". It seems like WaPo sports reporters are the last to know when a Skins event happens. Truth in labeling, if it existed for blogs, would force them to call it "The Redskins Outsider".

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 5, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

"In 2008, GB was 17th in rushing. In 2009, they were 14th. In 2010, they were 24th, but they were 6th of 12 teams in the playoffs in rushing which puts them back in the middle of the pack." posted by p1funk

Which suggests to me they were never particularly effective on the ground and just got markedly worse in 2010. But that isn't always the back -- frequently the blocking goes through periods of ineffectiveness. If you look at the weighted RB numbers, for instance, you see good backs like Stephen Jackson, Jonathan Stewart, and Frank Gore in the bottom tier.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 5, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse


It's hard to look past the direct correlation between Brandon Jackson's playing time as the starter and GB's run game plummeting into the bottom 1/3rd of the league.

Overall it's not a team built for a top-notch power running game. It's been effective for what they need. They are a pass-first team that uses the run to keep defenses honest.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2011 8:45 PM |

I got a big kick out of the way Rodgers ran down Urlacher after he had intercepted him in the conference championship game. Urlacher looked old and creaky and probably will be getting a lot of ribbing about being overtaken by a QB. Rodgers is a good athlete and he probably could outrun a lot of LBs in a foot race.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 5, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Frak, you fool. You have way to much time on your hands. Get ready for Archuletta, part 2. The Haynesworth drama will continue, like a dark cloud above. Allen throws darts to choose his draft picks. Danny Boy still calls the shots in FA's. You fools just can't get enough. Come December you'll be thinking, damn that Flip_Flop, he's right, I am a fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 5, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead


Hate to disagree, but today, a top notch front-7 on D beats top o-lines.

There are a few non-playoff teams with excellent o-lines and mediocre quarterbacking.

Kansas City, New York Jets, Ballmer, Indy, New England, Atlanta all have solid o-lines that lost in the playoffs to their betters on D.

It seems all the passing means the more athletic your defenders are, the better equipped they are at defeating solid o-lines.

Build your front-7 defenders first: you'll beat anybody's o-line, no matter how good it or the quarterback is.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 4:17 PM
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I think it is based on the focus of the team. When New Orleans won the Superbowl I wouldn't have said their defense was anything special, but their offense was a work of art, beginning with the guys up front protecting Brees. "Defense wins championships" is the old expression, and I would say that is true about as often as winning play out of the offensive line. But hey, we can all hope that our Redskins develop both.

I'd be happy if the Redskins picked a nose tackle or traded down to load up on interior offensive linemen. I see both as areas of need. Frankly, I would put those needs in front of grabbing another pass rushing linebacker or getting a big play receiver.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 10:39 PM | Report abuse

p1funk,
I think Green Bay showed in the playoffs that they can run the football when they want to. I don't think Starks is an elite running back, so I think that success was at least in part attributable to an offensive line that finally began to gel at the right time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 5, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I betcha Shanahan brings in Burress for a visit when he gets out of prison in June. Mike Vick is a template and Shanahan has a history of diva receivers. AH wasn't the same situation; Burress must be really desperate to get as much as he can out of what is left of his career.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has a history of diva receivers.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:26 PM

Who?

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan has a history of diva receivers.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:26 PM

Who?

Posted by: Diesel44

Brandon Marshall

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44

Brandon Marshall

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:31 PM

I knew that’s all you had……….Not necessarily a history considering Shanahan STOLE him in the 4th RD and he had his best YRs under him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Diesel44

Not sure y the fact that he was taken in the fourth round is important. Shanny is known to take on troublesome players and turn them around or crush them. The high risk players who are head cases can be productive often in highly structured environments.
It doesn't matter whether you agree with the this method of attempting to get bargains by taking risk, the fact is he is known to do it. Burress is a good candidate for this approach; Marshall is a good example of Shanny taking a risk with someone who has some known issues with scared off other teams.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44

Brandon Marshall

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:31 PM

I knew that’s all you had……….Not necessarily a history considering Shanahan STOLE him in the 4th RD and he had his best YRs under him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 5, 2011 11:36 PM
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I think Shanahan is desperate to find a big body receiver for his offense, but not that desperate. Wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Redskins took Julio Jones in this draft. I think they'll kick the tires of a few free agents that fit the big receiver mold as well. The point is, Shanahan has almost always had a big receiver to call upon for those possession catches.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what your measure of "good line" is but how about sacks? Steelers allowed 43 sacks -- eighth worst in the league. Packers allowed 38 -- 11th worst in the league. The best teams on this metric are Giants, Colts, Falcons, and Patriots.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 5, 2011 9:44 AM |

When you are looking at a stat like sacks you really need to standardize for attempts. For instance if team A had 20 sacks on 400 attempts and team B had 30 sacks on 600 attempts would you say team B had a worse OL? No because both teams OL are yielding a sack every 20 attempts. In the case of GB, they fall in the lower third of the 32 NFL teams in terms of number of sacks yielded with 38 but if you standardize you find that their OL yields a sack every 14.2 attempts whereas the Chefs, who are in the top third in terms of number of sacks with 32, yield a sack with every 14.8 attempts. If you want to use total sacks to grade out teams' OLs then you have a team in the bottom third (GB) whose OL is essentially the equal of the OL of a team (the Chefs) in the top third. Also, two teams are tied for the best total sack mark with 16 but if you look at sacks per attempt, Indy yields a sack every 42.4 attempts while the Giants yield a sack every 33.7 attempts. Indy's OL is clearly better than the Giant's in terms of standardized sacks. And the Pats' OL, with one sack yielded every 20.3 attempts, is clearly only half as good as Indy's OL even though you said "The best teams on this metric are Giants, Colts, Falcons, and Patriots."

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 7:36 AM | Report abuse

When you are looking at a stat like sacks you really need to standardize for attempts.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 7:36 AM |

And while you're at it you need to standardize for the strength of the opposing defenses; defensive blitz attempts; the tendencies of the QBs; the mix of passes between short, intermediate and deep; the number of TEs and RBs held in to block. Gee, this stuff gets complicated, doesn't it?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I betcha Shanahan brings in Burress for a visit when he gets out of prison in June.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 5, 2011 11:26 PM |

I feel sorry for Burress. He did hard time yet he isn't a thug type like Vick used to be or some others who have yet to know the inside of a jail cell. He is a head case, not in a preening arrogant way but sort of in an out-to-lunch sense.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 8:04 AM | Report abuse

He is a head case, not in a preening arrogant way but sort of in an out-to-lunch sense.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 8:04 AM |

That kind of sums up wandering around with a pistol in your pocket and then shooting yourself with it. "Hey, Plex, what are you carrying that gun for?" "Self-protection, man. If I try something foolish, I'll shoot myself."

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

1- OLB or DE
2- G or C
5- NT
5- QB
6- DE or OLB
7- WR
7- CB

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

If looking at line needs, here is a great thing for us to use to chart where our problems are.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true

This was the best stat the NFL came up with since the QBR.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

1- OLB or DE
2- G or C
5- NT
5- QB
6- DE or OLB
7- WR
7- CB

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 8:19 AM

Way to go: Make your draft selections in early March, ignoring entirely who's available. That's how you build a winner.

1- BPA
2- BPA
5- BPA
5- BPA
6- BPA
7- BPA
7- BPA

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I certainly the folks slammin' Cam Newton are in line for plates o' crow should he prove to be a solid pro player.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 5, 2011 7:06 PM |

This guy's father is a disaster. When you think of other talented QBs like the Mannings and Philip Rivers, their parents were a positive influence on their lives and partly responsible for them being successful. With Newton and the way his father went around with his hand held out soliciting money from college ADs for his son's services, the kid has a lot to overcome that is not strictly football related.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Also
I would rank our needs for the team roughly equal at QB, WR, RG, C, NT. Our second tier needs are OLB, DE, HB. Our third tier needs is where you will find me listing CB and basically any other position.

I would be cool grabbing any of those top positions in the first 2 rounds of the draft. I am okay grabbing the 2nd tier spots in the top of the draft too, but I think we could move some B team types in there and be okay for 1 year.

But we only need a corner, an inside LB or a RT if we let guys we have go. What we have there may not be All-stars but they will serve our needs for a season.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse

When you are looking at a stat like sacks you really need to standardize for attempts.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 7:36 AM |

And while you're at it you need to standardize for the strength of the opposing defenses; defensive blitz attempts; the tendencies of the QBs; the mix of passes between short, intermediate and deep; the number of TEs and RBs held in to block. Gee, this stuff gets complicated, doesn't it?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 7:56 AM
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I was reading last night an article about the Dolphins' offensive line. They were ranked something like number three in pass protection, but they couldn't run the ball. They sound pretty much like the polar opposite of the Redskins' offensive line, so how do you compare the two offensive lines?

The bottom line is an offensive line needs to give the quarterback time and open holes for the running game, but you have to look at the tape to be sure they are doing each effectively.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I was reading last night an article about the Dolphins' offensive line. They were ranked something like number three in pass protection, but they couldn't run the ball. They sound pretty much like the polar opposite of the Redskins' offensive line, so how do you compare the two offensive lines?

The bottom line is an offensive line needs to give the quarterback time and open holes for the running game, but you have to look at the tape to be sure they are doing each effectively.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse


actually, our team this year was 30th overall in rushing yards, 16th in YPC. How sad is it that Jim Zorn had a better run game 2 years ago than we had last year.

We were no 2 in QB hits, No 5 in Sacks.

We ranked very poorly in both areas still.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Also
I would rank our needs for the team roughly equal at QB, WR, RG, C, NT. Our second tier needs are OLB, DE, HB. Our third tier needs is where you will find me listing CB and basically any other position.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:36 AM |

One factor that makes the draft tough for decision makers like Shanahan and Allen who, like you note, have many needs to fill, is the unknown of FA. If it takes a long time to come up with a new CBA there might not be any FA.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 8:57 AM | Report abuse

How sad is it that Jim Zorn had a better run game 2 years ago than we had last year.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:55 AM

Zorn: 4-12
Shanahan: 6-10

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I was reading last night an article about the Dolphins' offensive line. They were ranked something like number three in pass protection, but they couldn't run the ball.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 8:40 AM |

They used to have a two-headed RB monster in Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams. I guess those dudes have seen better days.

Posted by: BirnamWood | March 6, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm pooping in my pants
Pooping in my pants
Yes, howdy, I'm pooping in my pants
And it feels squishy

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 6, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"actually, our team this year was 30th overall in rushing yards, 16th in YPC."
Posted by: alex35332

I guess that's why I don't like raw numbers or the rankings they generate. Looking at weighted (adjusted) stats, here's some observations:

1. The Skins were right at league average in terms of yards per carry by the RBs. Above teams like GB, Indy, Pitt, and the Bears.
2. on power running -- the ability to get a first down or score on 3rd/4th and less than 2 -- they were much weaker, ranked 30th.
3. Partly the fall-off is because the Skins were often 'stuffed' at the line. Among the NFL's very worst.
4. Washington RBs were OK once they got past the line of scrimmage.

I imagine this is why Shanahan shuffled guards so much -- trying to get some interior yards. And why Dockery isn't any longer on the team.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

This guy's (Newton's) father is a disaster. When you think of other talented QBs like the Mannings and Philip Rivers, their parents were a positive influence on their lives and partly responsible for them being successful.

Cam Newton won the Heisman, is a NCAA National Champion, and led his team to an undefeated record.

How is he unsuccessful?

And if you do a little searching, you'll see that Newton's father really represents what goes on that we don't see: that the sons of non-rich draft prospects see fame and fortune in their son of glory.

Not every kid in the draft is rich, white, and the son of the upper middle class.

Many of these guys are just another version of The Blindside waiting for a draft pay day to make another step from poverty.

Newton's father is greedy?

I bet he didn't get as much out of Auburn boosters as Auburn, the SEC, and the NCAA got out of his son.

Cam Newton's father sees what smart people see--that his son is on the verge of being a major sports star.

He just wants to make sure that his kid is shown the money.

And if Newton were your son, wouldn't you?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"actually, our team this year was 30th overall in rushing yards, 16th in YPC."
Posted by: alex35332

I guess that's why I don't like raw numbers or the rankings they generate. Looking at weighted (adjusted) stats, here's some observations:

1. The Skins were right at league average in terms of yards per carry by the RBs. Above teams like GB, Indy, Pitt, and the Bears.
2. on power running -- the ability to get a first down or score on 3rd/4th and less than 2 -- they were much weaker, ranked 30th.
3. Partly the fall-off is because the Skins were often 'stuffed' at the line. Among the NFL's very worst.
4. Washington RBs were OK once they got past the line of scrimmage.

I imagine this is why Shanahan shuffled guards so much -- trying to get some interior yards. And why Dockery isn't any longer on the team.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:27 AM
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Yeah, I don't think anyone can dispute that the play from the offensive line needs to improve. We all debate on how to get that improvement and if it is a higher priority than, say, quarterback or nose tackle. Some might say the offensive line was coming together at the end of the season and we don't need to do anything, but I say they were being compared to how the Redskins offensive line performed at the beginning of the season versus being compared to other teams in the league with solid offensive lines. They are still inferior to most offensive lines in the NFL.

Of course, you can hold them up in comparison to the defense, which was as bad as - or maybe even worse than the offensive line and ask where the bigger need might be. It's intriguing to me that, arguably, the two biggest needs on offense and defense start in the middle. How much better would the Redskins be if they had an all-pro center and an all-pro nose tackle?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

College sure has changed:

BYU stunned the college hoops world Wednesday by suspending the 19-year-old sophomore for violating the school’s honor code by having premarital sex with his girlfriend. The same week, Northwestern University drew headlines after a psychology class featured a live sex act.


From what I remember, college sex was rushed, slightly embarassing, drunken, guilt-ridden, and unusually unsatisfying.

And that was just the self-gratification.

Now, they have classes where you can watch it.

I guess they've also re-defined 'hands-on-education.'

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Newton's father is greedy?

I bet he didn't get as much out of Auburn boosters as Auburn, the SEC, and the NCAA got out of his son.

Cam Newton's father sees what smart people see--that his son is on the verge of being a major sports star.

He just wants to make sure that his kid is shown the money.

And if Newton were your son, wouldn't you?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 10:36 AM
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Moe, I don't think anyone can rant about Cam's father not wanting what is best for his son. My personal worry is that it sounds like the father is way too much into Cam's business to the point where it seems like the father is trying to live his life through Cam. If I were a propsective employer dealing with this vicarious relationship I would be more than a little nervous about hiring the guy. Who would I be dealing with? Would I be coaching the son, or coaching the father who would be coaching the son? Would the kid even listen to me if his father had that much say in how things were going on? Would the father's opinion be overshadowing the kid's opinion at every turn?

You might say Cam Newton is a man and he can speak for himself. You'd be right, but is that what has happened thus far? I'm not sure it has. The relationship reminds me a little of Todd Marinovich and we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

rsh

They are still inferior to most offensive lines in the NFL.

Yes, the offensive needs to improve.

But the the trends at the end of the season where better than those from the start.

The final group--Williams, Brown, Rabach, Montgomery, Litchenstieger--was much better than the starting group-Williams, Brown, Hicks, Dockery, Rabach.

We even know now that S Heyer could play right guard.

The redskin offensive line might not be the best, but it's better than it's been in a long time.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

There is no comment from the people at Auburn, Florida, or the community college Newton went to that his father was hanging around trying to run things.

So why would you worry about his father?

Plus, the whole money thing folks report his father is connected to his father using the money to rebuild an inner city church, not fund a lifestyle of hookers and cocaine.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Churches are actually worse than hookers and/or cocaine.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 6, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

On the defensive side: appears that

1. overall the run defense was subpar in terms of yards surrendered per play
2. however we were pretty successful against so-called 'power runs' on 3rd or 4th and 2 or less. Not so effective at stopping the RB at or behind the line ('stuffing').
3. the Skins gave up too many yards past the line of scrimmage & in the open field -- so-called 'RB' yards. Not surprisingly the Steelers were the best at stopping those runs.
4. our pass rush was among the league's very worst (measured by adj. sack rate). We were there with Denver and Buffalo. However Baltimore's wasn't particularly good, either. Best was Oak, SD, with Pitt and GB following.

Just off the above, looks like defensively we should be focusing on increasing QB pressure and on better tackling by the LBs and DBs.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Churches are actually worse than hookers and/or cocaine.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 6, 2011 11:29 AM

This from the guy who's the very definition of "pew." Hey, Poopy, fact-free Friday was two days ago. Today is stat Sunday.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we love our linemen..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qoymGCDYzU

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Had a beer with Edge in the Haight listenin' to that one..

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/27777024

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Much of the attention following the Combine has been centered on the team interviews with quarterbacks Cam Newton, Ryan Mallett and others, but according to three sources from different clubs, it is another high profile player who set off the most alarms at the Combine.

Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley was described as a "JUCO kid to the core" by one longtime personnel man, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

By "JUCO" the source is, of course, referring to the fact that Fairley played junior college football (Copiah-Lincoln Community College) prior to starring at Auburn. Asked to elaborate why being a "JUCO kid" is a bad thing, the source explained.

"Just because a player went to a junior college doesn't mean, he's a bad guy or won't be successful at this level, obviously. There are lots of junior college players who have gone on to great NFL careers."

The stereotype is that JUCO players aren't as smart, hard-working, and well coached. They are also viewed by many clubs as players most likely to have had off-field troubles in the past and potentially more in the future. The source refused to go into specifics, but said, "Everyone is coming down hard on the quarterback, but [Fairley] is the one to worry about."

Despite measuring in at a shade under 6-4 (6037) and lighter than expected (291 pounds), Fairley "looked soft," according to the source. This first impression of Fairley's conditioning was only reinforced by his "limited" understanding of defensive schemes during team interviews. The source also referred to the fact that Fairley doesn't use his hands well and has been able to be successful largely due to his natural talent.

"Oh, I'm not saying he's not talented. Hell, he might be the most talented player in the whole damn thing. But, he's no slam dunk at this level. Not the slam dunk people who watched him tear up the SEC or in the big game [BCS National Championship] might think."

The other sources weren't as forthcoming with details, but didn't sound surprised when I told them I heard that Fairley was slipping down boards and that, as such, I had pushed him from No. 2 in the mock draft I'd written prior to the Combine to No. 8 in my current one.

Posted by: TWISI | March 6, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Several numbers jump out of the NFL's OL stats:

1) 110 QB hits allowed, 31st rank!
2) 46 sacks allowed, 28th.
3) Power rush success: Left - 57% (20th), Center - 71% (11th), Right - 14% (32nd!)

Overall, pretty bad.

Obviously, you have to look at the total picture. Hits and sacks are partly a proxy for how much time the QB has to pass, and also depends on how quick receivers get open, QB decision / release time, and QB elusiveness. Power rush depends partly on the RB. OC play calling also factors by keeping the defense guessing (or not). We're not very good in any of the passing areas, and mediocre in running.

RG and RT are the glaring weaknesses - we get no push to the right for our RBs. Watching the games also shows weakness at C - all too often there was no pocket for the QB to step into.

The question going into the draft and FA (besides who's available) is: (1) health of current starters (e.g. Brown), and (2) progress of OL backups and practice squad players. Do we have in-house answers?

Posted by: pyrotech | March 6, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Beasties are Mosseys, but them Black Flags were just another fratboy band..Fugazzas jury is still on the line, State Dept. brats, squelching rudeness in the name of PC, f*** dat..

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"The other sources weren't as forthcoming with details, but didn't sound surprised when I told them I heard that Fairley was slipping down boards and that, as such, I had pushed him from No. 2 in the mock draft I'd written prior to the Combine to No. 8 in my current one.Posted by: TWISI"

I'm one that never appreciated Fairley. You can't argue with his team's success, but if you watched the Bama game, the Tide offense did pretty much what they wanted against him until Newton took over in the second half and put the Bama offense on the sidelines. Certainly Dareus looked better at the Combine. I wouldn't be surprised to see Fairley wind up as a DE at Dallas or Tennessee.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

How sad is it that Jim Zorn had a better run game 2 years ago than we had last year.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:55 AM

2 years ago Jim Zorn had Joe Gibbs running game, using Gibbs' linemen, Gibbs's scheme, and Gibbs plays.

THere were a couple articles written about how they deliberately did nothing to change the running scheme or plays - even using the exact same terminology that Gibbs did.

Zorn's "mission" was to use that run game as a foundation to add a WCO passing game onto.

Halfway through the season, teams realized that they had absolutely nothing to fear from the passing game, so they started loading up in the box and either bum-rushed the ball-carrier or bum-rushed the QB.

It all went downhill from there.

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Plus, the whole money thing folks report his father is connected to his father using the money to rebuild an inner city church, not fund a lifestyle of hookers and cocaine.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 11:14 AM | Report abuse


Not exactly a mitigating circumstance.

The hypocrisy of the situation only makes it more unsettling.

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

... The stereotype is that JUCO players aren't as smart, hard-working, and well coached. They are also viewed by many clubs as players most likely to have had off-field troubles in the past and potentially more in the future. ...

Posted by: TWISI | March 6, 2011 1:32 PM

The Devin Thomas story. Two years in JUCO, then one at Michigan State. A Vinny Cerrato special.

Posted by: dcsween | March 6, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly a mitigating circumstance.

The hypocrisy of the situation only makes it more unsettling.

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2011 3:19 PM |

He can't get off with the Robin Hood defense? Rob from the rich to give to the poor?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Even he should have known. Going to Michigan State does show pretty bad judgement.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 6, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Going to Michigan State does show pretty bad judgement.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 6, 2011 3:49 PM

Is Michigan State the school for the people that get rejected by Michigan? If you make straight A's your first two years at Michigan State, can you transfer to Michigan as a sophomore?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

1- OLB or DE
2- G or C
5- NT
5- QB
6- DE or OLB
7- WR
7- CB

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 8:19 AM

Best player for need beep-beep, not best player available. It's a draft air-head, feel it? Three linemen or d-lb's first. You probably want a QB with no pass protection or defense.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The redskin offensive line might not be the best, but it's better than it's been in a long time.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 11:07 AM
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I don't agree with that statement. Maybe they played better than the group that was in last year, but when Chris Samuels was in the game the blind side of the quarterback was secure. Not to take anything away from T. Williams, but he is not Samuels... yet. Rabach regressed last year. He's not the player he once was and this blocking scheme doesn't give him the help of massive guards to hide the fact that he is a scrawny center.

Is the offensive line better than last year? Yeah. Last year was a train wreck. When you are comparing their play to one of the worst offensive lines in the history of Redskins they do look better, but we're not shooting for "second worst" are we? When you compare the end of the season offensive line play with the beginning of the season offensive line play they looked better, but again, they were really bad.

Frankly, I think there are more questions than answers on the offensive line. If you think Lichtensteiger is the answer, then you don't understand the question. If you think they can squeeze one more year out of Rabach, know that they do that bringing joy into the heart of every nose tackle they play against next year. Montgomery has been a vagabond, and though he may have improved, he is still being compared to his earlier mediocrity. Is he a good offensive linemen? Not really. Is he better than he was? Absolutely. And I am not even entering into the discussion about J. Brown who may or may not be back, and may or may not have an arthritic hip that will only get worse.

If the Redskins stand pat on the offensive line, they are going to be in trouble. Changes are needed. They may come from within, or without, but what they had on the field at the end of last season is not going to get them far...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 6, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins stand pat on the offensive line, they are going to be in trouble.

I don't think my previous posts are suggesting the line they have is the line they should keep.

Me?: I'd snag 2 linemen in FA--a center and guard.

But what's different about the line is the Shahanans have put in place players who reflect their offensive philosophy.

And that's a change.

Those players (Litchensteiger, Montgomery) aren't the best, but--again--they are essentially 1st year players who were given a lot of exposure late in the season.

3 out of the 5 starting redskin offensive linemen were first time starters last year, and we ape that the unit isn't the best or at league average.

The offensive line will round into shape with either time or additional starters (2).

It's the defensive line that folks should be complaining about.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

5- QB

We already have two 5th round type quarterbacks on the roster in Rex and Becks, so why draft another one?

What we don't have is someone who might be of the elite variety who wins in mid-January.

The days of some late round drafted quarterback coming out of the shadows to essentially manage an offense are over.

(The Tom Brady thingy is like a desert farmer depending on a one-in-a-lifetime rainstorm to grow his crops.)

We need a franchise type quarterback.

And in either round 1 or 2, we'll find one.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I heard the hummingbird and it hummed so loud, you'd think you were losin' your mind...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXqxXrjoOf0

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Slow night.

The paid bloggas must be off somewhere in circle jerk land.

I think that's where they live.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

IMO the NFL just needs to get rid of the salary cap. I mentioned this before on the blog and someone claimed this idea would only result in a top tier team league like baseball thus making it boring.

I don't buy that argument for the simple fact that the Redskins have already proven that you can't buy a championship in football. And in baseball you can stock up on several good pitchers because they will play games for you. In football there is no point in stocking up on quarterbacks as only one should play games for you, injury aside.

Still if the owners are b!tching about how much the players make(salary cap floor). Then eliminate the salary cap completely and we'll see how much the owners are really willing to pay.

Posted by: Vicc | March 6, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy that argument for the simple fact that the Redskins have already proven that you can't buy a championship in football.

Posted by: Vicc | March 6, 2011 7:25 PM |

Kind of a stupid statement. They were working within a salary cap which, by definition, limits what they can spend. If there wasn't any do you really think they would have stopped at Haynesworth? They would have bought every other probowler available and the results would have been much different.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2011 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You probably want a QB with no pass protection or defense.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 4:19 PM

I would take what the draft gives me. If it gives me a franchise QB, you bet I'd take him. You can get most positions in free agency, but you almost never see a franchise QB in free agency. You have to draft one.

Making up a list of positions in March and then picking "best player at the position" in April is pure Cerrato.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"Kind of a stupid statement. They were working within a salary cap which, by definition, limits what they can spend. If there wasn't any do you really think they would have stopped at Haynesworth? They would have bought every other probowler available and the results would have been much different.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 6, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think thats not a accurate statement of Zorn Y2. His first year, maybe. But Zorn 2.0 was a more a Jim Zorn/Vinny C. run game.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

You can get most positions in free agency, but you almost never see a franchise QB in free agency. You have to draft one.

True.

And I have a hunch we might just get a lil lucky this time around and draft us a fairly decent quarterback:

Christian Ponder

Jake Locker

Andy Dalton

Ryan Mallett

Cam Newton


My money is that one of these guys get selected by us in either round 1 or 2.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:15 PM | Report abuse

You probably want a QB with no pass protection...


All quarterbacks get hit, harassed, sacked, etc..

What I want is a guy who can make throws in the pocket or on the run.

In fact, what I really want is a quarterback who is effective when the protection breaks down as given the blitz crazy NFL, that happens more than the statue quarterbacks standing untouched while reading the field.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

You probably want a QB with no pass protection...


All quarterbacks get hit, harassed, sacked, etc..

What I want is a guy who can make throws in the pocket or on the run.

In fact, what I really want is a quarterback who is effective when the protection breaks down as given the blitz crazy NFL, that happens more than the statue quarterbacks standing untouched while reading the field.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Jake Locker in round 2.

I will be just fine with that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

QB! QB! QB!

Even if Donnie Mac was willing to come back to this insane asylum and honor the remainder of his contract extension... I would still draft a QB prospect no later than Round 2 if I was Bruce Allen/Scam-a-fan. Trading down is an effective strategy when you can get the same player several spots later that you would have gotten in your original position but when trading down to pick up extra picks means having to settle for the next best player at a particular position of need...Bruce Allen runs the risk of appearing to make moves for appearances and style points...for the sake of being cute and appeasing the fans...not because sound football decisions are being made.

I don't care if we go 8 and 8 every season for the remainder of Scamafan's tenure... Let's start adding some BUILDING BLOCKS at this point! I know most fans aren't scouts but come on people...impact DL's and OL's can be had in the top 8 picks but once you get past pick 10, DL's and OL's are normally developmental projects that will usually take a couple seasons of grooming to contribute. A quality safety or CB could be had at this point in the draft but in my opinion, you draft CB, FS & SS with extra picks this high in the first round... not with your only and one of few picks. If a quality LB ala Brian Cushing or Clay Matthews, I would consider taking an LB because they can have more of an impact on defense than a defensive back, with the exception of "primetime", ed reed and sean taylor but other than those guys, DB's normally impact a section of the defensive backfield but that's about it. I know this won't be well received after the Devin Thomas/Malcolm Kelly debacle but I recommend taking Julio Jones with pick 10 in the 1st round and Ryan Mallett with the 2nd round pick. So Mallett likes a little yayo and brocolli every now and then. Hopefully, he'll grow out of that. Dan Marino and Joe Montana did, according to the rumor mill. Christian Ponder appears to have the potential to be an NFL starter but he didn't show me enough in college to draft him in the 2nd round. If Mallett is gone... and all the other top QB's are gone also when the skins make their 2nd selection, i would go DL or OL with that pick and look for Ponder or another QB sleeper later in the draft. Thanks to Tom Brady... I don't think there will be too many Super Bowl MVP type QB's slipping late into the draft anytime soon. If you need a franchise QB, i suggest having the guts to draft one high ala Rams-Sam Bradford or Jets-Mark Sanchez. DLs & OLs win championships but they dont win games. If there's a QB in this draft that Bruce Allen believes in...go get him. I do trust our GMs judgement. let's allow him some time to do what he does and live with the results. There will be a record number of quality free agents available this offseason because of the CBA situation. We will be able to address RB, OL, DL, CB and LB in free agency like never before. Hopefully, Mr. Snyder will spend wisely this time.

Posted by: bigysmals | March 6, 2011 8:40 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/040304

Here is an old article written by one of RI's favorites: Jason Whitlock!

Each year that Daniel Snyder owns the Washington Redskins, it becomes more difficult for me to believe in the NFL's "salary cap."

The Cap might as well be the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot or The Loch Ness Monster. The Cap is widely discussed. Mature, intelligent men swear they see it on a daily basis. Some NFL fans believe their franchise has been swallowed whole by it. But I've never seen concrete proof that The Cap exists. And neither has Daniel Snyder.

He spends and spends each offseason, taunting and baiting this allegedly-lethal Cap. Snyder is the great Cap hunter. He's Captain Ahab in search of Moby Dick, and Wednesday's kickoff of the NFL's free-agency period means it's whaling season. Snyder, in hopes of luring The Cap, has dumped lots of blood in Washington's water.

Even with promising, second-year quarterback Patrick Ramsey already under contract, Snyder handed veteran Mark Brunell more than $40 million to lead Joe Gibbs' offense. Snyder traded for Denver running back Clinton Portis, sending Pro Bowl corner Champ Bailey to the Broncos. Portis, with three years left on his Denver contract, had no negotiating leverage. Still, Snyder made Portis the highest-paid running back in the game.

Seriously, where's The Cap?

I realize Dan Snyder has never won anything during his five years of Cap hunting. I realize New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, frugal by Snyder's standards, has a far more effective plan for winning the Super Bowl. I'm not suggesting that all NFL owners should adopt Snyder's approach.

I just want proof that there is a salary cap. Oh, I've heard about the teams that have allegedly had their rosters gutted by The Cap. Football fans in San Francisco swear that one offseason, The Cap ran wild in The Bay and so spooked the G.O.A.T -- Greatest Of All Time, Jerry Rice -- that Rice moved to Oakland and started wearing a corn-over hairstyle. According to legend, it was to ward off The Cap.

Yeah, every offseason, there are wild stories about The Cap. They're like UFO sightings. No one ever has a clear picture of The Cap. All they'll show you is a grainy, shadowy image that you can't really make out, but they point excitedly and say, "There it is!"

There what is?

"The Cap!" they scream. "The Redskins released their 53-year-old, backup defensive end to make room in the salary cap."

No. Bruce Smith was retiring, anyway. He should've retired two years ago. That's not a Cap move. Orlando Pace forced Bruce Smith out of the game with a pancake block in Week 6 of the 2001 season.

Posted by: Vicc | March 6, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Continued...

If The Cap exists, how do you explain the Denver Broncos? They reportedly went into this offseason in a salary-cap pinch. When Clinton Portis flapped his gums to the Denver Post's Adam Schefter about wanting a new contract, the Broncos claimed they didn't have the Cap room to accommodate Portis. But two weeks later, they magically found room to accommodate Champ Bailey's $63 million contract.

To me, The Cap is a tool created by the owners so -- if they choose -- they can have an excuse to be fiscally responsible. If they want to be irresponsible, they can circumvent The Cap by giving players large sums of guaranteed money in the form of signing bonuses. A signing bonus doesn't impact the salary cap the way a player's yearly salary does.

Daniel Snyder
Joe Gibbs must love the deep pockets Daniel Snyder has.

Ah, but those are details. The bottom line is that Dan Snyder doesn't mind forking over lots and lots of his own cash. He passes out phat signing bonuses the way Ronald McDonald hands out cheeseburgers. Daniel Snyder's bank account has never seen The Cap. And neither have I.

There are no definitive photos of The Cap, but people still describe it in great detail. And it isn't just football fans. Respected journalists tell vivid stories about the devastation caused by The Cap. John Clayton, Adam Teicher, Jim Trotter, Peter King, Vic Carruci, Jay Glazer, Adam Schefter, Jim Thomas, Clarence Hill, Howard Balzer and other NFL scribes once held an all-day seminar to discuss The Cap. They had a short video presentation that allegedly contained highlights of The Cap savagely attacking Emmitt Smith inside Jerry Jones' office. The images were so gruesome many of the writers reportedly turned their heads away from the video screen.

"I lost all respect for Jerry Jones after seeing those pictures," one witness told me. "You could hear Emmitt begging for help and crying out that he would sign with Arizona. Jerry Jones just laughed."

What did The Cap look like?

"It was huge, tall and white," the witness said. "A big midsection, straight white hair. Emmitt kept yelling that it smells like tuna."

Posted by: Vicc | March 6, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind jake locker in the 2nd round either but he won't get past seattle in the 1st round IMO...

Posted by: bigysmals | March 6, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Somebody just posted a lot of stuff that nobody will read.

Sad.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Somebody just posted a lot of stuff that nobody will read.

Sad.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:50 PM |

What's worse is that it probably attempts to back up some poorly made point and fails.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 6, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Somebody just posted a lot of stuff that nobody will read.

Sad.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Gotta keep it short and to the point.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Found Ren and Stimpy on Netflix today. I forgot how truly awesome that cartoon is.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

You probably want a QB with no pass protection or defense.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 6, 2011 4:19 PM

I would take what the draft gives me. If it gives me a franchise QB, you bet I'd take him. You can get most positions in free agency, but you almost never see a franchise QB in free agency. You have to draft one.

Making up a list of positions in March and then picking "best player at the position" in April is pure Cerrato.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 6, 2011 7:48 PM |

I think beep-beep has it right. With a team so lacking with talent, if the Skins stand pat at #10, they need to draft a player with elite potential. Now if two players are graded similarly, or close to, then you take the guy that fits a higher need. Otherwise, I'd hope Shanny and Allen stay true to their board and draft an impact player at that point.

Posted by: TWISI | March 6, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

We need a franchise type quarterback.

And in either round 1 or 2, we'll find one.

Posted by: gimmesummoe |


NOnonono, Moe, our franchiser is in the NEXT qb draft, with a lotta LUCK, we're still rebuilding the lines...

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | March 6, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"I would take what the draft gives me. If it gives me a franchise QB, you bet I'd take him. You can get most positions in free agency, but you almost never see a franchise QB in free agency. You have to draft one."

BTW, how are you defining 'franchise QB'? And how confident are you in your ability to recognize one?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"they need to draft a player with elite potential. Now if two players are graded similarly, or close to, then you take the guy that fits a higher need. Otherwise, I'd hope Shanny and Allen stay true to their board and draft an impact player at that point.Posted by: TWISI"

I suspect that every NFL team, and every GM and every pro scouting director, are always trying to draft an impact player.

It's just sometimes they miss.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse


Gotta keep it short and to the point.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 9:00 PM |

Fools, all of you dreamers are fools !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | March 6, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"they need to draft a player with elite potential. Now if two players are graded similarly, or close to, then you take the guy that fits a higher need. Otherwise, I'd hope Shanny and Allen stay true to their board and draft an impact player at that point.Posted by: TWISI"

I suspect that every NFL team, and every GM and every pro scouting director, are always trying to draft an impact player.

It's just sometimes they miss.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse


I get where he is coming from on the need for a great QB.

To me first you need an above average line, then a great QB. The rest of the offence can be built around that.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 6, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

The offensive line will round into shape with either time or additional starters (2).

It's the defensive line that folks should be complaining about.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | March 6, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I see a need to fill 4 slots on the O-line. At best 3 with Lichtensteiger. Jamal Brown isn't going to stay here and play RT is he?

The fact that both lines, linebackers, wide receivers QB and RB all need to be addressed suggests to me that certain things are going to have to wait for later. QB just doesn't make sense until next year.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 6, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Time to freshen up with a new thread...geez...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 7, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

BTW, how are you defining 'franchise QB'? And how confident are you in your ability to recognize one?

Posted by: Samson151 | March 6, 2011 10:24 PM

A QB who will start for the next 10-12 years. One you would put the franchise tag on to keep him from leaving the team.

I have no confidence in my ability to recognize one. Who do you think I am, talent_evaluator? There is no one posting on this board who is competent to label someone a franchise QB.

Even the best of them in the NFL are probably no more than 50-75% accurate. It's like being a marksman. You aim your rifle at a target and fire. Sometimes they hit the target and sometimes they miss. You hope they hit all the time, but they don't.

But if Shanahan thinks he sees a franchise QB at 10, he should pull the trigger. This is the hardest target to spot, the one that you see least often. It's not like shooting sitting ducks or fish in a barrel. Of course, Vinny Cerrato couldn't shoot even those.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 6:21 AM | Report abuse

But if Shanahan thinks he sees a franchise QB at 10, he should pull the trigger.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 6:21 AM


I've been fighting this line of thinking, but I'm starting to warm up to it...if Gabbert is there at 10, I have a hard time seeing Shanahan pass on him. I'd hate to see us take Cam Newton, but I doubt he's a Shanahan QB anyway. The best action to me would be to go defense with the #10 pick and then get the QB in Round 2. Should be an interesting draft though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 7, 2011 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Time to freshen up with a new thread...geez...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 7, 2011 6:11 AM | Report abuse

Nah, she ain't even reached 500 posts yet! This one is a baby compared to some of the posts Reid used to put up.

Think of it as one LLLOOOONNNNNGGGG day that keeps repeating itself over and over again. Like Groundhog Day!!!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

So if someone declares that it's "Fact Free Friday"...are we supposed to believe that?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 3:55 PM

Idk...I believe it...for folks like me that have no facts, its the best day of the week.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

So if someone declares that it's "Fact Free Friday"...are we supposed to believe that?

Posted by: p1funk | March 4, 2011 3:55 PM

Idk...I believe it...for folks like me that have no facts, its the best day of the week.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

There should be a theme every day of the week, cause the threads suck. This is where everyone will appreciate our schtick, it's good entertainment!!!

Mischief Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Fact Free Friday


Any ideas for Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday?

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 8:27 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Any ideas for Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday?

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 8:27 AM

Tuesdays are Haiku Tuesday, right?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse


Any ideas for Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday?

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 8:27 AM |

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those days we'll declare non-monk days.

Posted by: hessone | March 7, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

those days we'll declare non-monk days.

Posted by: hessone | March 7, 2011 8:33 AM

Haha

Yay, hess is here today!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:36 AM | Report abuse


Haha

Yay, hess is here today!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:36 AM |

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i need some abuse, and this is the place to come for it

Posted by: hessone | March 7, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

i need some abuse, and this is the place to come for it

Posted by: hessone | March 7, 2011 8:39 AM

Yes, well you sure did come to the right place, and started with the right Internet Tough Puppet then.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"This is painful for every single one of us to go through this, there are couple of guys crying in the locker room right now, it is not a matter of want," Spoelstra said.

As his comment lit up with reactions as it hit ESPN's SportsCenter and Twitter, Heat players recognized they're wearing a major target on their backs. And again discussed the strain of having to adjust to playing with a bull's-eye on their jerseys all season.

"Inside our locker room, we stick together, we're like brothers," Wade said. "We win together, we lose together. Outside, the Miami Heat are exactly what everyone wanted, losing games. The world is better now since the Heat is losing."

**************

No question about the Heat excelling at one thing:

Being a bunch of whiny prima-donna Marys.

Could you ever imagine Jordan's Bulls saying/acting like this?

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

But if Shanahan thinks he sees a franchise QB at 10, he should pull the trigger.


Based on his experiences in San Fran, Oakland, and Denver, I'd say what Shanny will see @ 10 is a 6' 3" 200 pound and draft one.

If they left S Moss walk, maybe it's because they want what fits their philosophy: a big-bodied receiver who stretches the field.

In Denver, it was Brandon Marshall.

In D.C., it might be AJ Green or Julio Jones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"But if Shanahan thinks he sees a franchise QB at 10, he should pull the trigger. This is the hardest target to spot, the one that you see least often."Posted by: beep-beep

In other words, the one that's most likely to be wrong.

Of course Shanahan already demonstrated his risk-taking with Cutler. Jay was the third QB selected that season, at 11. Teams had already taken That Year's Athletic Phenom (Vince Young), as well as the Safe Bet (Matt Leinart). Cutler was the one they knew least about because he'd played for a team that nobody watched.

Young and Leinart turned out to be a lot less phenomenal and a lot less safe than people thought.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Ouch - eating some heat-crow-pie right now & it's not going down well.

I'm really thinking Spo has to go. Whether that's going to make a difference isn't really at issue.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Any ideas for Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday?

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 8:27 AM |

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those days we'll declare non-monk days.

Posted by: hessone | March 7, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Good to see you too hess! I'll try not to pick on you too much! hahaha

Maybe I'll just talk to your puppet IH8 if that makes you feel better!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

You guys ever get tired of starring in Being John Malkovich?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Dik

eating some heat-crow-pie right now


My money says the New York Knicks go further in the playoffs than the Heat.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Ouch - eating some heat-crow-pie right now & it's not going down well.

I'm really thinking Spo has to go. Whether that's going to make a difference isn't really at issue.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:05 AM

I was rooting for the coach to make it, but if he can't survive the protracted game of "Pin the Tail on the Young Coach" his passive-aggressive Big Three are playing, I hope the Heat hires whichever coach is so above reproach that it leaves them nowhere to hide. That would seem to be Pat Riley, but I know he's not wanting to put his reputation on the line for this whiney crew until they get the defensive stopper they need for speedy point guards.

Posted by: MColeman51 | March 7, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

You guys ever get tired of starring in Being John Malkovich?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:13 AM

I didn't watch that.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Ouch - eating some heat-crow-pie right now & it's not going down well.

I'm really thinking Spo has to go. Whether that's going to make a difference isn't really at issue.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

THe also noted that LeTravel has taken 4 out of the last 4 "potential game-winning" shots for the Heat in those close losses...and missed them.

Makes one wonder...do you think all 4 of those instances, the shot was planned/designed to go to him alone with the likes of Dwayne Wade on the floor as well?

Doubt it.

I guess it's just reaaalllly tough for LeBoohoo to change his ball-hogging ways, even when he's playing in someone else's town and that someone actually has a ring.

Hey Dwayne, careful what you wish for...

Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

hi guys,
i guess i'm pretty ok w/the atogwe signing - in the sense that we're not overpaying as badly as we normally do...

anybody have any "inside" info on the blog name change - i.e., the dropping of the word "redskin"? is that related to snyder? or the CBA crap? or what? that deletion would be one way to appease the "redskins is racist" crowd. we could just call them something like "the washington team".

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | March 7, 2011 9:20 AM | Report abuse

But if Shanahan thinks he sees a franchise QB at 10, he should pull the trigger. This is the hardest target to spot, the one that you see least often. It's not like shooting sitting ducks or fish in a barrel. Of course, Vinny Cerrato couldn't shoot even those.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 6:21 AM

It's like spotting a unicorn, and we've been hunting for that thing since Gibbs 1.0: Jeff George, Heath Schuler, Pat Ramsey, Jason Campbell, Donovan McNabb.... that's a lot of QB investment.

Charlie Sheen will tell you the most important thing is "WINNING!!!"

And 3 former Skins "non-franchise" QBs were good enough to lead their teams to the SB after leaving the Skins: Stan Humphries, Brad Johnson, and Rich Gannon.

If there's a solid QB at #10, we should take him because we need the upgrade at the position. But we need to stop chasing this magical unicorn, because the odds are very much against us getting the next Payton Manning or Phillip Rivers (who, by the way, hasn't won anything).

Do anyone really beleive Eli Manning would have won a SB with the Skins? I'm pretty sure this former #1 overall pick would be viewed as a bust by now, "too average" (just like Campbell), if he'd been drafted by the Skins 7 years and 3 coaches ago.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, the playoffs is an entirely different animal than reg season.

But I think it's far from 'pin the tail'. The guy has made many strategic mistakes that took them to this path.

''granted, he's not responsible for the pussification of his squad, necessarily.

Heat De-Motivational

But it's like hockey, ain't it? Once the horses stop performing, get a new trainer...

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Suck it sideways Heat and LeBum fans!

Ol' non-closing b*tchy cry babies!

Really look like 3-tool-a-teers with all that silly ass dancing, posturing, and bravado about winning SEVEN championships beofre you win your FIRST conference title.

What a trio of assbags they have in Miami. Couldn't be happening to a better bunch of dickwads. Happy for 'em. All of them.

Jackasses.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Horses, hockey, bball...oh my!

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"Do anyone really beleive Eli Manning would have won a SB with the Skins?Posted by: Alan4"

I was pretty amazed he won it with the Giants. Although not so amazed as Bill Belichick, no doubt.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Welcome Back, RedD - lol.

Yeah, easy to kick something when it's down.

They're certainly being extremely tested now. I'm not sure they'll weather it, either. It would be quite a story if they did.

If they DO turn it around and have some level of success in the playoffs (I would think anything less than championship appearance is fail) then that says an awful lot about Spo, provided he stays.

I really don't think Riles wants back.

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I almost peed on Riley?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Did I ever tell you guys about the time I almost peed on Riley?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh this should be good, kinda sounds like the time I peed on my sock, sorry Play!

I can't wait to hear this story!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Eli has had the benefit of solid offensive lines...nice running games...good defenses...and stability in management...like Alan said, would have been toast here...most everyone would.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I was pretty amazed he won it with the Giants. Although not so amazed as Bill Belichick, no doubt.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 7, 2011 9:39 AM

Of course, Belichick should have been more surprised that the Gints defense limited the Pats offense and it's all-world QB to 14 points in the SB. It's not like Eli lit them up.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

red, co-FRIGGIN-sign....call me when Lebram wins SOMETHING....ANYTHING...could be tiddly-winks in the locker room, just as long as he wins....

also, moe, agreed, Knicks go further than the heat....who when they lose, will blame EVERYONE but themselves....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 7, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Is 'The Insider' the dumbest name you've ever heard for a blog?

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

*The Decision II*

Starring: Lebron James.

Cameo Appearances: some other guys on the Heat who just so happen to be his teammates.


The Scenario:
Heat are down by 1 with 10 seconds left in the game. The ball comes in to LeBron James at the top of the key.

Pause the game.

Out comes Jim Gray, Michael Wilbon, and a host of other NBA company-men who grovel before like lap-dogs begging for a milkbone.

After setting up a stage and doing some makeup, Jim Gray proceeds to interview LeBron for 15 minutes asking him questions like "What's you favorite color?" and "Team Jacob or Team Edward?" and "I heard a rumor that someone on your team has actually won a ring and was a Finals MVP, is that true?" (to which Lebron simply shrugs).


Jim Gray finally gets to the question: "What decision are you going to make with the ball?"

Lebron looks into the camera: "I'm going to take my talents to the hoop!"

LeBron jumps off the makeshift stage at halfcourt barrels through the lane charging over opponents and teammates alike who are just standing there in the paint and din't realize that Lebron unilaterally decided to resume the game.

When he misses the shot, he stands incredulously twisting and contorting his face at the ref wondering why he didn't get a blocking call, as medics tend to opponents and teammates piled on top of each other in the lane.

Postgame interview, Lebron responds to every question about his end-of-game decision with the remark: "What should I do?"


Posted by: p1funk | March 7, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Monk, you obviously haven't been dealt my shtick enough =- it's all setup on the sell and let-down on the follow through.

...kinda like our love lives & jobs...

So this is like early 2000's and I'm at Sunset Place (US1 & Red Road in SoMia) AMC 24 - seeing some god awful dreck w/ my Ex Wife.. so I'm sure it involved french people and extra marital sex [ :-|

Anyway, I hit the john and I'm standing at the urinal... well, going. And I look down at some hurachi sandals at the urninal next to me.

I'm thinking "hurachis?! This is the NEW MILLENIUM..nobody wears hurrachis." I pan up to see the slickest hair I've ever seen. It sounded like Joe Pesci. His hair sounded like Joe Pesci. It was fkucking Riles! He lives around there.

So I almost turn right to him saying "Hey, you're Pat Riley!" - straight up vaudeville. But I didn't. I usually try not to talk to folks in restooms. But I left somehow feeling better about myself and my life; not having peed on Pat Riley.

He did go on to win a championship with the Heat after that event. Perhaps if I had accidentally peed on those 80's throwback hurrachis, things would have been different.

Of course now his team is doing a #2 on the court. So that's much worse.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

....agreed, Knicks go further than the heat....who when they lose, will blame EVERYONE but themselves....


I'd say when you look ahead, if the Knicks add either C Paul or D Williams, the whole NBA ball o' wax changes.

You put a dynamic guard in a system with Stoudamare/Anthony, and you suddenly have the re-birth of championship caliber basketball in New York.

And that'll benefit the NBA more so than the HEAT winning anythng--'cuz they won't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Is the re-birth anything like the after-birth? Yuck, I hope not.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Found Ren and Stimpy on Netflix today. I forgot how truly awesome that cartoon is.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 9:03 PM
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Ren and Stimpy suck my salty sack.

If you're gonna get excited, do it because there are gonna be new episodes of Beavis and Butthead.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 7, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Depends on where you're getting baptized, PA.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Shuttle, not true. I was kicking them in their swollen balls when EgoFest '10 in South Beach was going down last summer. I knew it was going blow up in their arrognat faces from the start, so yeah, excuse me if I feel a little tingly about seeing those overrated toolbags fall flat on their faces against teams that just as good as they are -- on paper.


And then Wade doesn't make it any better with his sympathy grab: "The Miami Heat are exactly what everyone wanted, losing games. The world is better now because the Heat is losing."


GTFOH with that that bull, Wade. Pride goes before the fall, you prick. Not all jiggy and chest out now, huh?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Found Ren and Stimpy on Netflix today. I forgot how truly awesome that cartoon is.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 6, 2011 9:03 PM
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Ren and Stimpy suck my salty sack.

If you're gonna get excited, do it because there are gonna be new episodes of Beavis and Butthead.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | March 7, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Beavis and Butthead were okay from time to time. They never really cracked me up like Ren and Stimpy did.

It is cool they are bringing them back though.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Is the re-birth anything like the after-birth?

All silliness cast aside, the NBA really needs a winning team in three towns: Boston, Los Angeles, and New York.

And it helps if Chicago or Detriot feature great teams, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I usually try not to talk to folks in restooms.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

That's a good motto to have!

Another good one is stare straight ahead, and never look down!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Right - so before they were #2 in the East & #4 overall - and then after their FAIL kicked in.

I hear ya, tho. It's a very popular position to be in; Rag on the 'anointed' front runner.

I acknowledge their crappitude right now. They've failed gut-check. But the season is far from over. Are you prepared to eat crow (as I am now) if you're wrong and they do go to Conf. Champ? at least.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember anyone from the Heat saying they were winning anything THIS YEAR.

I hate Pauline Winnick and her pr machine like poison. Sure they're going to prance around like peacocks. I'm not behind any of that Shti. Shaq comin' in on the 18 wheeler. All setups for fail.

But Riley teams are at their best when they face adversity with hard work. This could be the best thing that happened to them. And prepare the way for success later this season - or in the next couple.

I could seriously do without the hystrionics, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Select the best well-know crackhead:

a. Whitney Houston

b. Amy Winehouse

c. Bobby Brown

d. Charlie Sheen

e. Rick James

f. mistamoe


Moe rolls with d Charlie Sheen as no one watching his personal train wreck draws a causal nexus between cocaine Charlie and his weirded out behavior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I usually try not to talk to folks in restooms.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

That's a good motto to have!

Another good one is stare straight ahead, and never look down!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 10:32 AM

Or never to pee off a bridge. Happened to me once. The water was COLD ... and deep.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Beans,

A Common bond all people outside of Miami share?

The Miami Heat losing.

It's the only thing that can bring fans of every other team together, no matter the rivalry.

Odds of the 3 tool-a-teers crying:

LeBronze: 3 to 1
Bosh: 1 to 1 (he's a pu**y because DMV's own Kevin Durant said so)
Wade: 5 to 1

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Moe rolls with d Charlie Sheen as no one watching his personal train wreck draws a causal nexus between cocaine Charlie and his weirded out behavior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM

The weirded out suggests a different medication (as opposed to the hyper version of caffeine), like X or meth or some other internal chemical imbalance.

[In addition to my expertise as amateur NFL GM, I also am an amateur psychopharmacologist ... you know, not like a "doctor" in a doctor sense ... more like a doctor in the Dr. Pepper sense. So I got that going for me.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

A Common bond all people outside of Miami share?

The Miami Heat losing.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:41 AM

For a brief moment in history, everyone is a Clevelander.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM

Gotta go with g. Marion Barry.

I watched an old "In Living Color" rerun the other day, and David Allen Grier does a pretty comical Marion Barry impersonation.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

LeBronze: 3 to 1
Bosh: 1 to 1
Wade: 5 to 1

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:41 AM

Do we have a math wiz in the house? What are the odds of the Trifecta? Do you multiply, divide, or both? I'm guessing 15 to 1? Sween?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

David Allen Grier does a pretty comical Marion Barry impersonation.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 10:46 AM

The most comical charicature of Marion Barry remains Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) himself.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

That's a good motto to have!

Another good one is stare straight ahead, and never look down!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

And if you do, don't start giggling, or guffawing.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

bosh, is just along for the ride, the contract he got from Miami made some of the vinny cerrato deals look like steals...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, I'd like to help out but its Math-free Monday.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

A Common bond all people outside of Miami share?


What people in Miami really fear is people who speak English and wear badges.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

F the Heat
F the coverage of Charlie Sheen (What is so strange about what he's doing?)
F the Insider (Will we have to take the 'R' out of 'RI'?)


See y'all when relevancy comes back and my work load lightens.......

And for those who missed it....I am out of the Cam Newton love fest......for now...There is someone else I am feeling....but can't think of the name....TCU dude.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

WTG RedD,

Piggy's head on a stick.

Well, at least you passed the Conch.

Still haven't heard if you're willing to bite it if you end up being wrong. S'okay - I'll call you out if so. If not, then you just continue on. You seem to be doing a great job of celebrating mid-season losses. (There are still ads from the All-Star game on TV - this counts as mid-season).

Most Heat fans I know aren't fair-weather. So you're basing all this hate & vitriol on the effects of a PR campaign. Lem'me ask you this - would you hate them more if they were winning?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Oh, if they make it to the Conference finals (which they won't) I'll eat a pound of crow. You can justifiably remind me every chance you get how I was wrong... I wouldn't be able to say a damn thing.

Unfortunately though, this will never come to pass for you, homie shuttles. Because in sports the notion that you can not buy championships has been proven more often than its been dispelled.


Too bad you guys just didn't have the Dallas Mavericks to get through. I'm sure David Stern would "birth" you guys another championship by sending James and Wade to the free throw line for a record 45 times per game combined. It wouldn't matter if it appeared if the fix was in, as long as he didn't have to hand the O'Brien trophy over to Mark Cuban.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

LeBronze: 3 to 1
Bosh: 1 to 1
Wade: 5 to 1

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 10:41 AM

Do we have a math wiz in the house? What are the odds of the Trifecta? Do you multiply, divide, or both? I'm guessing 15 to 1? Sween?

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Normally, yes, you would multiply. But in this case, just subtract, and you would say "it's a LOCK!"

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Trust me, Moe - they're are alot more illegals in the DMV than in the 305

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Just ask the kid standing next to the First Lady.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Just ask the kid standing next to the First Lady.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 7, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The most comical charicature of Marion Barry remains Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) himself.

Posted by: dcsween | March 7, 2011 10:50 AM |

Vincent Gray is trying to bust into the act.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

And for those who missed it....I am out of the Cam Newton love fest......for now...There is someone else I am feeling....but can't think of the name....TCU dude.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Andy Dalton.

I'm liking Mallett more and more. I think he will be there in the 2nd round.

I know it's rare, but if we can posture with a team who is hard up for that 10 pick we could trade back and get Locker/Mallett late in the 1st.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Andy Dalton - The Scouting Report Websites are largely down on him, but I can see us getting him in the 3rd/4th round.....

The Film doesn't lie, and he is a winner/starter in college for along time for the hamsters who listens to whatever PArcells says....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Select the best well-know crackhead:

a. Whitney Houston

b. Amy Winehouse

c. Bobby Brown

d. Charlie Sheen

e. Rick James

f. mistamoe

Moe rolls with d Charlie Sheen as no one watching his personal train wreck draws a causal nexus between cocaine Charlie and his weirded out behavior.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I have to go with Rick James, simply because of Dave Chappelle's genius interpretation of him.

Still one of the funniest skits ever.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

@ IH8 - Me too...I may be coming back on board to my former Michigan player who get F'd in the a$$ when they hired Rich Rodriguez....but let me not digress....

I don't see MAllet leaving the bottom half of the 1st round....where a non-playoff team will trade back into to get him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Normally, yes, you would multiply. But in this case, just subtract, and you would say "it's a LOCK!"

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:56 AM

Ahhhh thanks...but apparently today is Math-free Monday...we've both been penalized 2500 TI Bonus Points...dammit...

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

And if you do, don't start giggling, or guffawing.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 7, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Or slip up and say 'oooohhhh'.

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm feeling good about Miami losses, period. Not just mid-season losses. Besides, they've played about 60 games already out of 82 -- we're past midseason, cuz.

And Pat Riley was so desperately to blow his load all over James, Bosh, and Wade he forgot about the other two starting postions, and the seven bench players.

Oh my bad, I forgot you guys have acquired Mike Bibby in as many days. Also can't forget about Juwan Howard and Joel Anthony. You bamas are stacked bundles down there in the 305.

Championship.

And are you willing to place a small wager on the illegals in the DMV vs. tha 305?

DMV has its share though, I can't even lie about that. Especially for a stretch on route 7 in NoVA.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Select the best well-know crackhead:

a. Whitney Houston

b. Amy Winehouse

c. Bobby Brown

d. Charlie Sheen

e. Rick James

f. mistamoe

g. Ex-Dallas Cowboys

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse


There, fixed it for ya, and I choose g., gotta love Michael Irvin self-destructing!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@ IH8 - Me too...I may be coming back on board to my former Michigan player who get F'd in the a$$ when they hired Rich Rodriguez....but let me not digress....

I don't see MAllet leaving the bottom half of the 1st round....where a non-playoff team will trade back into to get him.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I won't be upset if we take him at 10.

I like his accuracy on the deep pass(imp. in this offense).

I like that he played in a pro-style offense.

I like that he's 6'6".

I don't care if he smoked pot or sniffed a little coke in college... I would be a hypocrit for faulting him on that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I don't care if he smoked pot or sniffed a little coke in college... I would be a hypocrit for faulting him on that.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

You're sock puppet is leaking out valuable information Hessone, be careful, you never know who's listening!

Pretty soon he's gonna rat about your cross-dressing and Glee obsession!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

F the Insider (Will we have to take the 'R' out of 'RI'?)


For one thing, it means Mr. Jones can do threads about other teams and more league-wide issues.

What I'd like to see is an analysis of the players who'll hit FA once the CBA work is over.

From what I already know, it'll feature a lot of guys under 27-28 at the end of their first deal.

That's a lot of talented, starting type players to choose from.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't get the whole sniffing coke thing...seems the carbonation would burn somethin' fierce.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Don't get the whole sniffing coke thing...seems the carbonation would burn somethin' fierce.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Same thing with weed, it smells and tastes terrible, but at least my flower bed is clear!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUwGIwqtxJE

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/artsdesk/music/2011/03/06/why-fighting-at-the-dmv-awards-is-tragic-for-the-scene/

Red - How do you feel that these people took your name sake for the awards.....and was the fight started because Scamp thought you were going to be there.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 7, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't see MAllet leaving the bottom half of the 1st round...


Mallet's strenghts: dynamic arm

Mallet's weaknesses: a bit of a statue, not athletic enough to make plays with his legs.

He'll do well in a system with a good o-line.

He seemed to 'breakdown' or 'lose his head' in the tougher games I saw him in.

He's an excellent deep ball thrower and more 'pro ready' than a lot of the other guys in the draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

You're sock puppet is leaking out valuable information Hessone, be careful, you never know who's listening!

Pretty soon he's gonna rat about your cross-dressing and Glee obsession!

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

We're on American Idol now. Glee has taken a backseat.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm officially on the Mallett bandwagon now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 7, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Would something please happen at redskin park...PLEASE!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 7, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I have one question:

Who is organizing team workouts during the off season and lockout - I am reading that other players from other teams are stepping up lookinig for places to workout and pratice. Which Player from the Redskins is stepping up.

I dont know it just seems that "The Insider" would know something like this

Posted by: LoyalOpposition1 | March 7, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Quinn in the 1st. Paea in the 2nd. If we can trade into the 3rd round, then we grab Ponder.

Championship.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 7, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm officially on the Mallett bandwagon now.


10 years ago, Mallett would be seen as a 'can't miss' NFL quarterback.

Today, though, he really need a quarterback with an accurate arm who can threaten the defense with the occasional long scramble.

Big Ben, AR, M Vick are dudes you crave as they can kill with their arm and legs.

Mallett isn't gonna make a defense fear him as a scrambler.

Newton, Locker, Ponder, Dalton will.

Too, if you put enough pressure on Mallett like the Buckeyes did in the Sugar Bowl (Heyward was constantly in his face), and he doesn't respond.

And that's why I wouldn't draft Mallett.

But I would draft Dalton, Ponder, Newton, Locker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Would something please happen at redskin park...PLEASE!


Well, the site is now called "Insider".

So maybe Mr. Jones could drop threads about other teams or league wide issues.

For one thing, how 'bout a lil update on the other NFC East's teams mvoes since the end of the season.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'll agree that the Redskins should draft only if you agree that it is three horse race, and if all of those horses are gone, they should be looking toward nose tackle.

BTW, weather in Romania is just a smidge better than Syracuse - which means generally sucky. Enjoy your week, RI. You could be in not-so-sunny Transylvania...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Would something please happen at redskin park...PLEASE!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 7, 2011 11:57 AM

These sorts of posts are usually answered by The Insider with a coin toss. "Coin toss: Are things happening at Redskins Park or not?" Then LaVar Arrington will give us the answer on the Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Does MJ have another gig in addition to The Insider? I wonder how he spends his time with nothing going on. At least give us a video or a coin toss or something.

Posted by: PlayAction | March 7, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your week, RI. You could be in not-so-sunny Transylvania...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:16 PM |

What kind of a B.S. take-it-or-leave-it threat is this? If you're in Transylvania, that's probably where Ernie Grunfeld is right now scouting for a prospect to take with his second first round pick. He's going to trade the first one to the Timberwolves for some piece of nothing.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

4th, they didn't still my name sake. But two things struck me as out of the ordinary reading that article and 1 made pefect sense.

2 things: 1) I didn't know this was the "2nd annual" DMV awards. 2) Who is a hip-hop artist in the DMV? All I ever hear is these young bamas talking about they need "to buy a new congo set".


ONE THING: Black folk acting like jackasses...among each other... in public... with a bunch of white people watching.

Typical.


I wonder how the french black people in Canada get down....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Would something please happen at redskin park...PLEASE!

Well, the site is now called "Insider".

So maybe Mr. Jones could drop threads about other teams or league wide issues.

For one thing, how 'bout a lil update on the other NFC East's teams mvoes since the end of the season.

Just a suggestion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 12:08 PM
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It's laughable, isn't it Moe? They call themselves "Insider" but all we ever hear is second hand information. Maybe they should rename their blog, "Second Hand Information".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy your week, RI. You could be in not-so-sunny Transylvania...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:16 PM |

What kind of a B.S. take-it-or-leave-it threat is this? If you're in Transylvania, that's probably where Ernie Grunfeld is right now scouting for a prospect to take with his second first round pick. He's going to trade the first one to the Timberwolves for some piece of nothing.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:21 PM
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Funny you should say that. I am standing on a street corner today when this kid walks up from the local university - had to be every bit of 6' 7", because I am 6" 5". I asked him if he was playing basketball and he just smiled and did a hook shot pantomine...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

They call themselves "Insider" but all we ever hear is second hand information.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

What I'm wondering is where are the 2 bean counters who'd drop an occasional stataistical analysis of what the team is doing or has done.

Some of the stuff was fairly interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 7, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

OK, so nothing's happening in football... Here are some questions that need answering:


1. When Charlie Sheen talks about his "tiger blood", is that a veiled reference to Tiger Woods and his cadre of porn stars and groupies?

2. What to make of LeCrab-Dribble? Clearly, he carried the Cavs last year, so why does this year's Miami Heat team appear no better than last year's Cavs team despite superior talent?

3. How can Jamarcus Russell foreclose on a $2.4M home when he fleeced the Raiders for $36.4M? Seems like the house was well within his budget!

4. How did Mark Brunnel go bankrupt after Dan Snyder paid him $40M? Does he have "tiger blood" too?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

These sorts of posts are usually answered by The Insider with a coin toss. "Coin toss: Are things happening at Redskins Park or not?" Then LaVar Arrington will give us the answer on the Tailgate Zone.

Posted by: beep-beep

Hahahaha!

The "coin toss" sort of guided discussion is their way of keeping a slow news day moving. Why don't they do more than just pose a question though? Ask a question and give some interesting analysis so people can amplify, extrapolate, disagree, etc.

Word.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 7, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

It's laughable, isn't it Moe? They call themselves "Insider" but all we ever hear is second hand information. Maybe they should rename their blog, "Second Hand Information".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:24 PM

Does this mean that Mike Jones honeymoon is over and now it's time for him to get out in the kitchen and start cooking?

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:31 PM | Report abuse

4th, they didn't still my name sake. But two things struck me as out of the ordinary reading that article and 1 made pefect sense.

2 things: 1) I didn't know this was the "2nd annual" DMV awards. 2) Who is a hip-hop artist in the DMV? All I ever hear is these young bamas talking about they need "to buy a new congo set".

ONE THING: Black folk acting like jackasses...among each other... in public... with a bunch of white people watching.

Typical.


I wonder how the french black people in Canada get down....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 7, 2011 12:22 PM
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Pretty much do the same thing as the white people do. I work with a black guy from Canada and we had to take him aside one day to tell him he was black...

Just kidding Red. I am just pointing out the USA is in the minority with their biases. Pretty much everywhere else I have been in the world, people just really don't care. Having said that, Muslims in France aren't that popular these days....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Andy Dalton - The Scouting Report Websites are largely down on him, but I can see us getting him in the 3rd/4th round.....

The Film doesn't lie, and he is a winner/starter in college for along time for the hamsters who listens to whatever PArcells says....

Posted by: 4thFloor


Dalton or Tyrod with one of our 5s..Absolutely linemen or OLB with the first two picks..(This blog will self-destruct in 15 seconds)..

Posted by: frak | March 7, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

4. How did Mark Brunnel go bankrupt after Dan Snyder paid him $40M? Does he have "tiger blood" too?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 12:31 PM |

Alan4 is a man who never made a bad investment. I have. I invested in that unnamed business that hessone owns in Northern Virginia. I lost everything. Now I'm working at McDonald's.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Would something please happen at redskin park...PLEASE!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 7, 2011 11:57 AM

Breaking News from Redskins Park, a toilet has been clogged up, with poopy t.p. and water running everywhere.

The clog was originally thought to be a turd, but that's only half right. When janitors finally got the pipes clear it turns out Redskins owner Daniel Snyder had spotted a penny at the bottom of the toilet and did a cannon ball to jump in after it.

"If I had known which turd I would have pulled out of there, I would have let it flush away", says the janitor.

Mr. Snyder would not comment on the situation, but was overheard walking away, "I'll sue that toilet company for making it so deep!"

More to come later.......

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News from Redskins Park, a toilet has been clogged up...

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 12:37 PM

It looks like PlayAction sold his sock puppet to Vic1. Too bad. monk811 was much better when he was PlayAction's sock puppet.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Alan4 is a man who never made a bad investment. I have. I invested in that unnamed business that hessone owns in Northern Virginia. I lost everything. Now I'm working at McDonald's.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:35 PM

Bad investing is one thing. Losing $40M is entirely different, unless you consider gambling a form of investment.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

4. How did Mark Brunnel go bankrupt after Dan Snyder paid him $40M? Does he have "tiger blood" too?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 12:31 PM |

Alan4 is a man who never made a bad investment. I have. I invested in that unnamed business that hessone owns in Northern Virginia. I lost everything. Now I'm working at McDonald's.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:35 PM
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Just one of those cases where the people making the dough have no idea how to keep it. If the NFLPA truly cared about its players, it would be thinking about a way to protect them from blowing their wad early in life. Most of these guys get one big pay day and they spend the rest of their lives trying to figure out how to make it all go away. For once, I would like to see a salary go like this, "Dude got a $10 million deferred trust fund plus a clause in his contract that pays his medical care for life". Truth is, the unions just want the higher salaries because that is what their fees are based on...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Bad investing is one thing. Losing $40M is entirely different, unless you consider gambling a form of investment.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 7, 2011 12:41 PM

Two words: Bernie Madoff

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Like I was saying:

Coin Toss!!

beep-beep

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News from Redskins Park, a toilet has been clogged up...

Posted by: monk811 | March 7, 2011 12:37 PM

It looks like PlayAction sold his sock puppet to Vic1. Too bad. monk811 was much better when he was PlayAction's sock puppet.

Posted by: beep-beep | March 7, 2011 12:40 PM
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Actually, Monk and PA were suck" puppets. It kind of goes with that joke about the Irish homosexuals: Michael Fitxpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 7, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter! Without a pass rush the defensive secondary will get eaten alive regardless of who is back there.

Posted by: dwilcox2 | March 7, 2011 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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