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Posted at 6:00 PM ET, 01/ 3/2011

Five Redskins need surgery

By Jason Reid

Redskins tight end Chris Cooley (left knee) underwent arthroscopic surgery Monday and several other players are scheduled to have arthroscopic procedures this week, Coach Mike Shanahan said Monday.

Strong safety LaRon Landry (right shoulder), free safety Kareem Moore (right knee) and center Casey Rabach (right shoulder) are up next. In addition, defensive end Kedric Golston is scheduled for hernia surgery.

Despite playing in only nine games, Landry had the best season of his career. Landry, Moore and Golston finished the season on injured reserve.

By Jason Reid  | January 3, 2011; 6:00 PM ET
Categories:  Casey Rabach, Chris Cooley, Kareem Moore, Kedric Golston, LaRon Landry, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

In other news, the sun went down this evening.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW, what the heck is up with college schools recruiting their coordinators before the coaches? First Florida, now Miami, did they go to the Cerrato school of hiring?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm not thrilled with Shanny saying he's bringing everyone on his staff back.

After all, Shanny is the one who always says that he'll be evaluating everyone and that the process takes time.

At 6-10, it is hard to imagine that the entire staff has already been evaluated and that they all came out fine.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

BTW, what the heck is up with college schools recruiting their coordinators before the coaches? First Florida, now Miami, did they go to the Cerrato school of hiring?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:10 PM |

Florida hired a head coach before they went after Wies, Bill Muschamp was hired on Dec. 12th.

Miami hired there new coach on Dec. 13th Al Golden.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

from John Keim...
"The Redskins need a young player like Vonnie Holliday. Perhaps no player better understood his role in the defense more than Holliday. Watching him all season it’s clear he knew the proper angles to take and he knew how to play with leverage. At 35, he just couldn’t have done it in a full-time role for 16 games. But it’s not a coincidence that the run defense improved with him playing more the last two games for injured Kedric Golston. But what the Redskins need is to find a young player who has been in a 3-4 who understands how to play it; makes a difference. Nobody set up his teammates better than Holliday. See, the Redskins don’t just need a pass-rushing linebacker, they need a lineman who can threaten the quarterback, too. One big difference between the Redskins and New York is the Giants collapsed the pocket with their tackles. Time and again, they shoved the Redskins guards back. Really, there were several times I was a little surprised Grossman got the pass off; not sure how he saw his target and he had nowhere to step up into the pocket. Makes the ends more dangerous as well. The Redskins have no one like that (though, of course, they did). So even if they get another linebacker, they’ll still need to find a lineman who can rush as well. This defense will not be complete until that’s the case. I also think this speaks to needing to find at least one more guard who can anchor better vs. bigger tackles. It’s needed in the NFC East. It’s great to use some finesse, but you need to play a physical style to win in this division."

... I've wondered if MS/KS should use Dockery more in the NFC East games, where there are big NT's and DT's. It's not like we are playing in the AFC West. A platoon of OG's might be more effective.


Posted by: frediefritz | January 3, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm not thrilled with Shanny saying he's bringing everyone on his staff back.

After all, Shanny is the one who always says that he'll be evaluating everyone and that the process takes time.

At 6-10, it is hard to imagine that the entire staff has already been evaluated and that they all came out fine.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 6:14 PM |

Stability something this team hasn't had in years, you want to change a coach after one season. Then they have to learn a whole new system.

The only coach that I might agree to get rid of is Danny Smith.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Florida hired a head coach before they went after Wies, Bill Muschamp was hired on Dec. 12th.

Miami hired there new coach on Dec. 13th Al Golden.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse
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Aha. thanks for lifting up the rock! Not sure what I was doing in mid December, but apparently paying attention to sports was not it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:25 PM | Report abuse

zcest...

What is Shanny supposed to say...

"I'll probably let Haze-lett go"?

Read between the lines...he said other coaches may have an opportunity to get other gigs...

that's coachspeak for...find another job or I'll fire you!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 3, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW, what the heck is up with college schools recruiting their coordinators before the coaches? First Florida, now Miami, did they go to the Cerrato school of hiring?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:10 PM |

Florida hired a head coach before they went after Wies, Bill Muschamp was hired on Dec. 12th.

Miami hired there new coach on Dec. 13th Al Golden.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Its not your fault for not paying attention to those moves, unless you were a Temple Alum like me you probably would have heard of both moves, local sports does a terrible job covering national NCAA.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 3, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

What is Shanny supposed to say...

"I'll probably let Haze-lett go"?

Read between the lines...he said other coaches may have an opportunity to get other gigs...

that's coachspeak for...find another job or I'll fire you!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 3, 2011

He won't get rid of him. Shanny was hell bent on the 3-4, not Haslett who ran a 4-3 with the Saints and Rams. It's Shanny's fault for making that change without the pieces.

Since he's finally accepting responsibility for some things, I wonder if he'll admit that was a mistake at this point.

Posted by: dcwun | January 3, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Since he's finally accepting responsibility for some things, I wonder if he'll admit that was a mistake at this point.

Posted by: dcwun | January 3, 2011 6:39 PM |

This was talked about today on the radio, they were wandering if Shanny would go back to the 4-3.

I think if you were going to change to a 3-4 you had to do it in the first year even without players that fit it. They had to see who could play and who couldn't so they know what they need to add.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

If you trade for Donovan, you're stuck with that contract -- and no GM wants that.

Donovan wants to go free and Shanny and Donovan's agent will find a way to make that happen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 5:46 PM |

No GM wants a contract that gives the team the option to fire the QB after each season with no more obligations? I don't believe that. I'd bet that almost every GM wants those terms.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

anyone else seeing the trend of all Belichick protege's failing??
Weiss, McDaniels, Mangini, Crennell, and more..

Its either the respective hiring clubs (and eventual firing clubs) underestimated how valuable Brady was to the Pats success (and Belichicks). Or, the guy that should of also be lured away from Belichick is his videographer, Ernie Adams. He is a guy who has been with Belichick since BB's first Head Coaching stint in Cleveland and whose name came up during spygate.

Either way, its an interesting trend... not one assistant coach under Belichick has succeeded taking the next step in the NFL.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I think if you were going to change to a 3-4 you had to do it in the first year even without players that fit it. They had to see who could play and who couldn't so they know what they need to add.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011

Yeah, but with a team with so many holes to fill on the offensive side of the ball, I'm not sure you could afford to do it with limited picks in rounds 1-4.

I get that they needed to see who fit defensively but I'm sure it was obvious in OTAs that the personnel wasn't there to do it.

Posted by: dcwun | January 3, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

They had to see who could play and who couldn't so they know what they need to add.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

cosign, this team had no real expectations for the season anyways, other than install new coaches schemes and see who they should build around. #5 was a mistake but I believe shanny wanted to evaluate the other offensive players on the team with a true vet leader, to bad his glory days are gone

Posted by: hcic55 | January 3, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

For all the crap about the 3-4 switch, if we had maintained a 4-3 and Haynesworth got hurt or lazy and Landry wasn't around to play safety valve... we could have seen a drop like in '06 even without scheme change.

In that light, I wouldn't put this all on Shanahan's door step. Landry plays better at SS, but FS was definitely a weak link this year.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Either way, its an interesting trend... not one assistant coach under Belichick has succeeded taking the next step in the NFL.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3,

Had this discussion with a few folks the other day. One of the the pre-game show fellas mentioned Belicheat as possibly being the greatest coach ever.

Now I'm biased of course but all of these coaches who've won multiple SuperBowls have done it on the backs of Hofer QBs. Only 1 has done it with 3 different QBs and 3 different starters at RB. Joe Jackson Gibbs IS the greatest of all time!

Posted by: dcwun | January 3, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

anyone else seeing the trend of all Belichick protege's failing??
Weiss, McDaniels, Mangini, Crennell, and more..

Its either the respective hiring clubs (and eventual firing clubs) underestimated how valuable Brady was to the Pats success (and Belichicks). Or, the guy that should of also be lured away from Belichick is his videographer, Ernie Adams. He is a guy who has been with Belichick since BB's first Head Coaching stint in Cleveland and whose name came up during spygate.

Either way, its an interesting trend... not one assistant coach under Belichick has succeeded taking the next step in the NFL.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 6:50 PM

A lot of this is actually because Bellycheat runs EVERYTHING. The assistants don't actually do much but enforce Bellycheats law.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm not thrilled with Shanny saying he's bringing everyone on his staff back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 6:14 PM


While I get that sentiment, I'm not sure what else you'd expect...this team is so devoid of effective personnel that it's hard to where blame on the players ends and the blame on coaches begins. Firing anyone before Year 2 is counterproductive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

No GM wants a contract that gives the team the option to fire the QB after each season with no more obligations? I don't believe that. I'd bet that almost every GM wants those terms.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 6:46 PM


Exactly...while I think not many GMs would be lining up to get that $10 million per season salary, having the ability to cut your losses without a cap hit would offset the danger of spending that kind of cash on a guy who put up Kordell Stewart-esque numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 3, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Either way, its an interesting trend... not one assistant coach under Belichick has succeeded taking the next step in the NFL.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3,

Had this discussion with a few folks the other day. One of the the pre-game show fellas mentioned Belicheat as possibly being the greatest coach ever.

Now I'm biased of course but all of these coaches who've won multiple SuperBowls have done it on the backs of Hofer QBs. Only 1 has done it with 3 different QBs and 3 different starters at RB. Joe Jackson Gibbs IS the greatest of all time!


Posted by: dcwun | January 3, 2011 7:02 PM
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would agree.. as I was typing it.. There are only two common consistent denominators for Belicheats success. His assistant (for life) Ernie Adams (head of videography) and Tom Brady. But, Ernie was with Belichick when BB went 37-45 W-L at Cleveland with Kosar.

Belichick is one dimensional. He is actually a Defensive Head Coach/Coordinator.. The last time he made an Offensive call was the Giants/Pats Superbowl (also the last time the Pats were in the SB). He over-rode the OC and told Brady to go for it on 4th and 13, it failed, and pretty much ended the game. BB is not a great Coach on the level of Gibbs.

Replace Kosar with a Tom Brady, and Belichick would probably of dominated in Cleveland, also.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

zcest...

What is Shanny supposed to say...

"I'll probably let Haze-lett go"?

Read between the lines...he said other coaches may have an opportunity to get other gigs...

that's coachspeak for...find another job or I'll fire you!

Posted by: rickyroge

Shanny has a stock line for this. "We'll go and evaluate everything". It's what he says about the players, and I don't see why he'd treat the coaches much differently.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 7:23 PM | Report abuse

ok.. first apologies to the Shannahan fans.. BUT.. Is 6-10 W-L enough to knock Shanny from 1st ballot HOF? Or will it take a second consecutive losing season?
If he had resisted Danny's Dollars and stayed home, in my opinion, he would of been 1st ballot HOF class of 2014.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

from John Keim...

The Redskins need a young player like Vonnie Holliday...


Indeed Holliday's play illustrates the need for a defensive end who can also play tackle.

It also points out the failure of K Golston and AH as defensive ends in 3-4 front.

All season long, different NFL commentary shows highlighted that neither player was effective against the run out on the edge against a team's left tackle.

Golston, though, can play inside at tackle and NT, but the artist formerly known as Haynesworth should be sent out the door.

And whereas the aged one Philip Daniels should be a goner, Holliday is a keeper.

Finding a young'n who, like VH, who can play de-tackle/end in varying fronts would be a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

If you trade for Donovan, you're stuck with that contract -- and no GM wants that.

Donovan wants to go free and Shanny and Donovan's agent will find a way to make that happen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 5:46 PM |

No GM wants a contract that gives the team the option to fire the QB after each season with no more obligations? I don't believe that. I'd bet that almost every GM wants those terms.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Oh, I think GMs would like that part of the deal.

I think they'd have a huge problem with the part where they need to pay $15million to a 35yr old QB coming off a season with a 77 rating.

I can't see any team with a winning record in 2010 wanting McNabb. The 2 top teams that might have an interest were 8-8 (Jax and Oak) -- but both of those teams have QBs that come much cheaper than $15mil and its not clear if McNabb is an upgrade over either in place QB.

You pay $15mil to a QB that you think is going to get you to the playoffs. The teams that fit this the most (basically good teams with QB issues that caused them to drop a bunch of games) are SF, Miami, Tenn, Minny and AZ.

But $15million? None of these teams are close to a major run, most will have a different coach in 2011 than they had at the start of 2010 (2 already have).

McNabb will sign an $7-8million/year deal, probably with significant incentives.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Don't think we need a culture change?:

Redskins Drama Endures, Even With Coach Shanahan>

ASHBURN, Va. (AP) — The 2010 Washington Redskins will be remembered for two catchphrases: "conditioning test" and "cardiovascular endurance."

The no-nonsense coach's (Shanahan's)attempt at bringing stability to a franchise that has bred turmoil and mediocrity for nearly two decades is proving to be a mightier task that most in the organization would have imagined.

One piece of evidence speaks volumes: The final tally of money collected from players who showed up late for meetings and committed other indiscretions.

"I've had more fines here my first year than I did with Denver, then I did with the Raiders," Shanahan said Monday.

Add 'character' and 'professionalism' to the list of things we need to acquire during FA.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

But $15million? None of these teams are close to a major run, most will have a different coach in 2011 than they had at the start of 2010 (2 already have).

McNabb will sign an $7-8million/year deal, probably with significant incentives.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 7:39 PM |

You keep saying 15mil is not 15mil it's 10mil option bonus that would then kick in a 2.5mil salary.

That = 12.5 for next year and then the team that gets him could cut him at the end of the year with no penalty.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"I've had more fines here my first year than I did with Denver, then I did with the Raiders," Shanahan said Monday.
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Brilliant..
Maybe its also because you're coaching the highest payroll in the NFL and they probably make 5 times the salary of the players you coached in Denver and Oakland.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

McNabb will sign an $7-8million/year deal, probably with significant incentives.


Agreed.

Redskin fans who are down on McNabb will cringe next Fall should he wind up on a team with playmakers and decent o-line passing blocking and play well.

The fatal mistake MS made was assuming that the Eagles' offense under McNabb succeeded because of his efforts.

Shanahan didn't realize that McNabb's legs were gone and that elite speedy playmakers he got the ball to hid his defificiences.

In other words, you can underthrow passes to CC and DeSean Jackson and get two totally different results.

And MS didn't get that when he made the trade.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant..
Maybe its also because you're coaching the highest payroll in the NFL and they probably make 5 times the salary of the players you coached in Denver and Oakland.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 7:55 PM |

Dude do you just say sh-t without doing any research the Skins are no where near the highest Payroll in the NFL they are 19th here is the list.

2010
NFL Teams Total Payroll
NFL Oakland Raiders Team Salaries $ 152,389,371
NFL Dallas Cowboys Team Salaries $ 146,401,600
NFL Minnesota Vikings Team Salaries $ 133,354,045
NFL Cleveland Browns Team Salaries $ 131,916,300
NFL New Orleans Saints Team Salaries $ 131,531,820
NFL Pittsburgh Steelers Team Salaries $ 128,815,061
NFL Tennessee Titans Team Salaries $ 126,017,443
NFL Arizona Cardinals Team Salaries $ 122,110,110
NFL Jacksonville Jaguars Team Salaries $ 122,109,207
NFL Chicago Bears Team Salaries $ 120,065,819
NFL San Francisco 49ers Team Salaries $ 118,766,239
NFL New York Jets Team Salaries $ 116,910,097
NFL St. Louis Rams Team Salaries $ 116,677,660
NFL New York Giants Team Salaries $ 115,816,180
NFL Miami Dolphins Team Salaries $ 114,649,660
NFL Buffalo Bills Team Salaries $ 113,364,927
NFL Carolina Panthers Team Salaries $ 112,114,711
NFL Washington Redskins Team Salaries $ 111,963,684
NFL San Diego Chargers Team Salaries $ 111,813,340
NFL Cincinnati Bengals Team Salaries $ 109,727,880
NFL Philadelphia Eagles Team Salaries $ 109,557,398
NFL Houston Texans Team Salaries $ 108,445,418
NFL Tampa Bay Buccaneers Team Salaries $ 104,329,311
NFL Seattle Seahawks Team Salaries $ 102,985,710
NFL Atlanta Falcons Team Salaries $ 96,391,525
NFL Detroit Lions Team Salaries $ 95,827,117
NFL Denver Broncos Team Salaries $ 95,599,778
NFL Green Bay Packers Team Salaries $ 94,018,300
NFL Indianapolis Colts Team Salaries $ 93,373,915
NFL New England Patriots Team Salaries $ 92,734,120
NFL Baltimore Ravens Team Salaries $ 90,713,965
NFL Kansas City Chiefs Team Salaries $ 83,623,776

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan didn't realize that McNabb's legs were gone and that elite speedy playmakers he got the ball to hid his defificiences.

In other words, you can underthrow passes to CC and DeSean Jackson and get two totally different results.

And MS didn't get that when he made the trade.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 7:56 PM
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Agreed..
DMac's value was artificially high due to his great WR's, and Reid knew it. Just like a stock, know when to sell.

Speaking of which, is DHall's stock also artificially inflated?... Poor tackling aside.. Of the 6 INTs 4 were in one game. His large number of tackles were also because of a poorly implemented 3-4??? Would this not be a good time to trade a "pro-bowl" annointed player (true or not) for maximum return? Two picks?

Of course all of this depends on his
Contract...I have no idea what that status is? I believe he is in the middle of a 6 year 55Mil Agreement. I am sure P1Funk will let us know..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR2009022700946.html

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Really? Is that just salary? Or does that mean that minus FatBerts $23 million bonus, we are up there with the Chiefs and Ravens? It's gotta be salary only.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

NFL New England Patriots Team Salaries $ 92,734,120

Low payroll, a lotta rookies playing defense, non-name receivers, tons 'o draft picks, and they're 14-2.

They can't lose with the stiff they use.

Are you jealous?

I am.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

What is this? The country N-Sync?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Maybe its also because you're coaching the highest payroll in the NFL and they probably make 5 times the salary of the players you coached in Denver and Oakland.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 7:55 PM |

Dude do you just say sh-t without doing any research the Skins are no where near the highest Payroll in the NFL they are 19th here is the list.
Posted by: Flounder21 | January 3, 2011 8:03 PM

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Flounder21
Thanks for wasting your time (and ours) on those 2010 figures..

Ever heard of Salary Cap??? Its you that needs to some research and think before you type .. As you didnt include the overall SIZE of the Contracts..not the yearly avg'd figure for fitting under the Cap.. BIG Difference.. Look at DHall and Fat Albert as an example.. Its what Snyder is famous for doing to get the Free Agents he wants. And its that committment that puts the Skins near the top in largest payrolls. Snyder is still paying FA's from 4 years ago, it not more.

Besides my overall point was what Shanahan's players were making in the 80's and 90's is a huge difference from what the Redskins players are making now.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I think it's awfully weird that Shanahan committed to a 3-4 and didn't seriously try to trade Carter and Haynesworth last offseason. Now it's too late to get much for them.

Same goes for Chris Cooley. He's done here, wants to be elsewhere and Shanahan could have gotten something reasonably decent for him 9 months ago.

Benching McNabb didn't exactly buff his trade value.

Things are simply not going well with this new regime, certainly not from the personnel management standpoint. So something good must be right around the corner.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

This is a 3 year rebuilding process. They will be much better next year. You have to give any coaching staff at least that much time to get the players they want. In fact if you look at the talent level we had, I am suprised we won 6 games. We didn't even have a number one running back. At one point we were using our 3rd and 4th stringer. We didn't even have a number 2 receiver going into the season. Still had offensive line issues. Defense could't stop anyone. Next year they need to win 9 to 10 games.

Posted by: TheJury | January 3, 2011 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Go Stanford!

Beat Turkey College!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I gotta level with your guys. Port sucks when a cigar is not involved.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

haven't watched college football, 'cept for 1 series which Andrew Luck looked brilliant. Looking forward to watching -- at least until the puck drops with the Sharks and Canucks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Go Stanford!

Beat Turkey College!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Born a Redskins and a VaTech fan. At least one is good every year.

GO HOKIES!!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Ever heard of Salary Cap??? Its you that needs to some research and think before you type .. As you didnt include the overall SIZE of the Contracts..not the yearly avg'd figure for fitting under the Cap.. BIG Difference.. Look at DHall and Fat Albert as an example.. Its what Snyder is famous for doing to get the Free Agents he wants. And its that committment that puts the Skins near the top in largest payrolls. Snyder is still paying FA's from 4 years ago, it not more.

Besides my overall point was what Shanahan's players were making in the 80's and 90's is a huge difference from what the Redskins players are making now.

Posted by: onangivensunday | January 3, 2011 8:28 PM | Report

You didn't mention the fact that Allen and Shanny cut a bunch of those fat contracts and cleared a lot of "cap space" in an uncapped year. They didn't sign a bunch of inflated contracts last offseason either. This will have the effect of making it possible to responsibly sign players and keep us out of salary cap hell if it returns. There seems to be a lean towards responsibility. Portis's contract being gone will add to that...plus Hayney and McScabb's buh bye.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I think it's awfully weird that Shanahan committed to a 3-4 and didn't seriously try to trade Carter and Haynesworth last offseason.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse
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You find it weird that a guy with a no trade clause and a $21 mil payday weren't moved? Really?

'Hey Mike'
'What Bruce?'
'I gotta idear'
'What?'
'Lets trade Haynesworth'
'The guy we just paid $21 mil?'
'Yeah'
*clang*
drag...drag.... drag... *click*... drag... drag... *slam*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess Skins fans truly are the dumbest in the NFL. If it was Shannys 3rd or 4th year I'd get the ripping, but the man needs time to bilge pump this toilet franchise. The 3-4 is not a mistake, most dominant defensive clubs run that system.

There have been mentions of Belichick on this post and rightly so. look at the D they run up there....3-4... How many NE fans called for the coach to get canned after he sent Moss packing!!!??? NONE!! A great coach doesn't bend over for players. The players either buy in or they are gone. Shanahan needs a few seasons before a fair assessment can be made.

Posted by: skins91r | January 3, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I gotta level with your guys. Port sucks when a cigar is not involved.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:35 PM
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Port will give you morning farts.
Hope you're married or leave before she gets up.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I gotta level with your guys. Port sucks when a cigar is not involved.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:35 PM

Two words: stilton cheese.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The most common sight at the average bowl game:

a. crafty agents

b. coaches trying to sneak off to a bigger program

c. drunken boosters and alumni

d. serious minded and exploited students athletes

e. empty seats


Moe rolls with e as it seems the present bowl system insures that the only college football game that matter is the last one.

A playoff system might stir up alumni/local interest and fill seats.

College football fans are the bugs on that sports' windshield--fans want playoffs and excitement.

But alas, conference commissioners and NCAA football grand pooh-bahs are interested only in tv, jersey sales, and EA Sports revenue.

That, and keeping crafty agents, drunken boosters/alumni, away from the exploited student athletes who must remain poor so the good ole U gets rich...

...Good ole U and the coaches trying to sneak off to bigger paychecks and programs, that is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Port will give you morning farts.
Hope you're married or leave before she gets up.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 3, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse
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Two words: stilton cheese.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse
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jarlsberg saved the glass from the garbage disposal. And my fiance lives 40 minutes away during the week. The cat, however, may suffer some short-term olfactory damage.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Running a special teams gimmick on Beamer is laughably stupid

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Would have liked to see a more careful replay on the long pass from Luck down the sideline. I think his guy got 1 foot in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Just say NO to Ronnie Brown

...Another 29 year old RB, Unrestricted FA

Posted by: rickyroge | January 3, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Would have liked to see a more careful replay on the long pass from Luck down the sideline. I think his guy got 1 foot in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse
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He dropped the ball on the way down. No doubt about it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to lie, I'd trade our 1st and 2nd to get Luck. I know we have a laundry list of needs but I'm of the opinion that he's the best QB prospect since P. Manning.

As a pro he reminds me of more physical and athletic Brady. This is why Carolina will draft even after drafting Clausen and Pike last YR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

For those of you watching the Rose Bowl and are interested in who the Redskins should/might draft next year: take a look at the Stanford NT Sione Fua. He will probably go around the 3rd or 4th round and he is excellent at getting upfield and collapsing the pocket. No, he is not Auburn's Nick Fairly, but Sua is great value for a mid-round pick. If you couple him with Anthony Bryant next year, we should be pretty stout at NT. (Fua can also play end in the 3-4 and the 5-technique in the 4-3/Nickel/Dime). No need to use a high pick on NT when you have Bryant and get value out of the draft. 1st and 2nd round have to be used on interior OL, QB, or stud OLB.

Posted by: Invisman52 | January 3, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Correction: The ORANGE Bowl tonight. Check out Fua, #92 on Stanford.

Posted by: Invisman52 | January 3, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Who let Antwan Randle El suit up for the Hokies?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I think it's awfully weird that Shanahan committed to a 3-4 and didn't seriously try to trade Carter and Haynesworth last offseason.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse
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You find it weird that a guy with a no trade clause and a $21 mil payday weren't moved? Really?

'Hey Mike'
'What Bruce?'
'I gotta idear'
'What?'
'Lets trade Haynesworth'
'The guy we just paid $21 mil?'
'Yeah'
*clang*
drag...drag.... drag... *click*... drag... drag... *slam*

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I still find it weird. Did any of the current Redskins Park geniuses ask Carter if he preferred to stay and play linebacker or go play his natural position elsewhere? After AH cashed his fatso check and didn't show up for workouts or even the mandatory mini-camp, could he have been moved out of here? Of course. Was he worth more staying here as Shanny's object lesson? No he wasn't (something I was wrong about at the time).

P.S. Bruce answers to Mike not vice versa.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Correction: The ORANGE Bowl tonight. Check out Fua, #92 on Stanford.

Posted by: Invisman52 | January 3, 2011 9:14 PM

I've seen him play a few times. I think projects more as DT in a 4-3 because he's only 6'2 300ish.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Nice #@!&ing throw!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to lie, I'd trade our 1st and 2nd to get Luck. I know we have a laundry list of needs but I'm of the opinion that he's the best QB prospect since P. Manning.

As a pro he reminds me of more physical and athletic Brady. This is why Carolina will draft even after drafting Clausen and Pike last YR.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 9:06 PM |

Luck will not come out this yr if he senses that Carolina will draft him. The thought of having to play for the Panthers gives him night sweats. He will wait til next yr when the coast is clear and the Skins can draft him. (By then all the suckhard teams except the Skins should be QB'ed up when you include this yr's harvest of Cam Shaft, Foot Locker and Mallett Head.) He wants to play for Shanny, an acknowledged QB guru.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't give up everything for Luck, that shi! is retarded.

Besides, we could draft TYROD TAYLOR!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, you're having a sunshine overdose.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Did any of the current Redskins Park geniuses ask Carter if he preferred to stay and play linebacker or go play his natural position elsewhere? After AH cashed his fatso check and didn't show up for workouts or even the mandatory mini-camp, could he have been moved out of here? Of course. Was he worth more staying here as Shanny's object lesson? No he wasn't (something I was wrong about at the time).

P.S. Bruce answers to Mike not vice versa.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse
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Way to take a joke about Bruce and Mike, btw, but whose to say that they didn't ask Carter, and he said he wanted to stay and play for a HOF coach? Again, why would Carter have wanted out? Even if he didn't have a great season, he (and we all) were expecting something better from the Skins than what we got.

And we wouldn't have any leverage with Haynesworth and Tennessee was the only place every mentioned as having interest, and that was only mentioned by the fraudulent Jason Reid.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Besides, we could draft TYROD TAYLOR!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:32 PM |

Thyroid Taylor is more like it.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, you're having a sunshine overdose.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:35 PM

It's possible. The kid is going to be a top tier NFL in 3 YRs tho. I'm not sure what it would take to move up to #1 but I'd find out if I was Shanahan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Besides, we could draft TYROD TAYLOR!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:32 PM |

Thyroid Taylor is more like it.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse

You hold your tongue when speaking of Tyrod.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 3, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Did any of the current Redskins Park geniuses ask Carter if he preferred to stay and play linebacker or go play his natural position elsewhere?

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 3, 2011 9:19 PM

Give it up. It was impossible to trade him with the contract that he had. No one would have paid him as much as his contract required, much less given up a draft pick for the privilege of overpaying him.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

It's possible. The kid is going to be a top tier NFL in 3 YRs tho. I'm not sure what it would take to move up to #1 but I'd find out if I was Shanahan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Diez. Not sure what you make of the Edsall hiring.

I'm like "WTH"?

I think Kevin Anderson seriously muffed this punt.

Edsall brings nothing to the program that I can see that is a step up from Fridge/Franklin.

If anything it's a lateral from one coach to another.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Luck. He reminds me of the kids who liked to eat the paste.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Two massage therapists sued Brett Favre on Monday, saying they lost their part-time jobs with the New York Jets after complaining about sexually suggestive text messages from the veteran quarterback.

Christ on a crutch. If you are going to be a masseuse or hostess (Jan Sterger) around horny football players you should expect to be hit on. It should be part of the job desription. Sexual harrassment would occur only if they said stop and the dude didn't. Now if you were a librarian and some dude hit on you then a claim of sexual harrassment makes sense.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Luck. He reminds me of the kids who liked to eat the paste.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:46 PM

Yea, a lot of paste eaters at Stanford...geez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Edsall brings nothing to the program that I can see that is a step up from Fridge/Franklin.

If anything it's a lateral from one coach to another.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 9:45 PM

Not even a lateral, but a downgrade. Edsall was 74-70 -- barely treading water at UConn. In ten years he'd been to five bowl games and only once had his team ranked -- this year, #25. Fridge had a much better record than this in every aspect.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

About Fua: Yeah, he is about 303, 6'2". A little short, but is right around the same weight as Jay Ratliff (who is 6'4"). Fua plays big and has good pass-rushing skills. No he is not a Hampton, but he will certainly clog up blockers. If we can cycle this kinda guy with Bryant, I think that is the way to go. Diesel, what do you think? Should we be drafting a NT with our first or second round? (We will probably be in a 4-3 after next year, anyway).

Also, Luck is special. I live in Palo Alto and watch this kid play. (There's actually a lot of 'Skins fans in Palo Alto.) He is the real deal. Point of clarification, though: Sam Bradford was just as good as a prospect as Luck is now. Notwithstanding Bradford's college health--and last night's dud of a game in which none of his receivers wanted to catch the ball--you cannot get more out of a 1st year QB on a team like the Rams. That said, I have no kids but will give my first born if we could draft Luck. Who WILL start right away wherever he goes.

Posted by: Invisman52 | January 3, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

So, who would give this year and next years first to Carolina to convince them to ride with Clausen so we could get Luck? Startin' the tally...now.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Luck. He reminds me of the kids who liked to eat the paste.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:46 PM

Yea, a lot of paste eaters at Stanford...geez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 9:51 PM

Must be a legacy.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Must be a legacy.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:57 PM |

LOL. I don't buy it but funny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Edsall brings nothing to the program that I can see that is a step up from Fridge/Franklin.

If anything it's a lateral from one coach to another.

Posted by: p1funk | January 3, 2011 9:45 PM |

What were they going to do for Crissakes. Hire Saban away from Bama? Or mebbe wait until after the Orange bowl is over and stand in the line that is snaking around the corner for a shot a Jim Harbaugh. They did the best they could. It was time for Fridge to go. Ten yrs is long time, especially when you look like the night clerk at a seedy motel.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Luck. He reminds me of the kids who liked to eat the paste.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 3, 2011 9:46 PM

He looks special but so is his play.

p1funk- Surprisingly enough you and I once again have a difference of opinions. Edsall was my choice 2 weeks ago as the only coach to ever take a program from 1AA to a BCS bowl and 5 bowl games overall in less than 10 YRs. This without a recruiting pipeline except MD, unlike Fridge who couldn't keep anyone in state.

Leach would have brought buzz for the 1st YR but that would have faded while Edsall will build a winner on both sides of the ball. And as far as recruiting...Who would you rather have coach your kid?

Kid that was my neighbor and was a few YRs younger than me played QB for him when they moved up. He said they were basically a HS team playing against men. Throw out his 74-70 record.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan Season Ending Presser: Shanny says he wants youth in free agency
RedskinsInsider Redskins Insider
In new players, Shanahan wants good character, playing ability "and hopefully youth"
john_keim John Keim
Shanahan says he'd like to add "guys on the younger side."


I like it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ten yrs is long time, especially when you look like the night clerk at a seedy motel.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:00 PM |

Bald, hair flying out from the temples, bags under the eyes, three chins - you know what I mean, no?

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Same goes for Chris Cooley. He's done here, wants to be elsewhere"

huh?

Judging a guy for mediocre record at UCONN is not really fair, he basically had to build an entire program.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 3, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Jim Harbaugh looks like a cross between Robert Culp and Bruce Campbell.

I hope that whoever Denver takes in the first round, he says he doesn't want to play for the Broncos and demands a trade.

F Turkey College.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Jim Harbaugh looks like a cross between Robert Culp and Bruce Campbell.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 3, 2011 10:09 PM |

He also looks like his bro John, the Ravens coach. How about them apples!

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Besides with Fridge he was a terrible recruiter. The man that is resposible for the talent that is there is now the HC @ Vandy (Franklin).

It's a tough industry...You know 7 bowl games in 10 Yrs, National coach of the YR, 2x ACC coach of the YR. Days after the latest ACC COY he was told he wouldn't be back.

Gotta be able to recruit and fill those 12 empty suites that were bulit with Ralph's success.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Where's Moe? I gotta deal sweetener for you. Not only McNabb and our first to Carolina but throw in Fatty to sweeten the deal. HA! Call 'em up!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Judging a guy for mediocre record at UCONN is not really fair, he basically had to build an entire program.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 3, 2011 10:08 PM |

Plus the dude needed an exit stratey after one of his players was killed in a gang fight on campus and the admin started tightening the admission screws.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Not even a lateral, but a downgrade. Edsall was 74-70 -- barely treading water at UConn. In ten years he'd been to five bowl games and only once had his team ranked -- this year, #25. Fridge had a much better record than this in every aspect.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse
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Son of a...

Wikipedia must be wrong! It says nothing about Fridge starting with a D2 program which was competing against UMass Amherst 14 years ago.

And I can't find anything about the football powerhouse which UF lured Steve Spurrier away from after he dominated all college football.

You see where this is headed. If you invest $100 and get $200 in return, you've done a better investing job than the guy who invests $1000 and gets $1200 in return. It's really not that hard a concept.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

You know 7 bowl games in 10 Yrs, ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 10:15 PM |

Dude - you have to be Duke awful to be in the ACC and not get some kind of bowl bid. You knew the end was at hand when he started losing to Div II schools.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Plus the dude needed an exit stratey after one of his players was killed in a gang fight on campus and the admin started tightening the admission screws.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:20 PM |

One Conn blueblood to another: "I say there old boy did you hear about that awful brawl they had at Storrs? That state school is a terrible cesspool of humanity. We need to talk to someone about cleaning the place up."

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you have to be Duke awful to be in the ACC and not get some kind of bowl bid. You knew the end was at hand when he started losing to Div II schools.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:27 PM

I'm all for the move and your nice sutble dig at beep-beep.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you have to be Duke awful ...

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:27 PM |

Which raises the question "WTF's up with Duke football?" I mean Duke probably likes to think it is in the same class prestige-wise as Stanford but how is it that Stanford can do a BCS bowl and Duke can do no better than the toilet bowl? Academically speaking the two schools might be comparable but even if academics trumps athletics, Stanford has shown it can excel at both.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

So, who would give this year and next years first to Carolina to convince them to ride with Clausen so we could get Luck? Startin' the tally...now.

Posted by: scampbell1975
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He's worth 2 firsts if he really can play somewhere in the Bradford-PManning range. A top tier pitcher for 15 years? Sure. But Carolina might take a 1st and 2nd given their recent QB acquisitions. And we have other bonuses we could throw in if necessary. Carolina's owner is cheap, right? That could also help make the deal happen.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 3, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

You know the blog is sleepy when members start having conversations with themselves.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

He's worth 2 firsts if he really can play somewhere in the Bradford-PManning range. A top tier pitcher for 15 years? Sure. But Carolina might take a 1st and 2nd given their recent QB acquisitions. And we have other bonuses we could throw in if necessary. Carolina's owner is cheap, right? That could also help make the deal happen.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 3, 2011 10:50 PM |

I think we should send McScabb and his "veteran leadership" to help tutor their 2 young qb's and Hayney to help shore up there terrible d-line and see if they'll bight. They'd have to be pretty dumb or hire Vinny but it's worth a shot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

You know the blog is sleepy when members start having conversations with themselves.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 10:52 PM

Well he's got more handles Brady has TDs this year..He probably just forgets.

ArticCat, BaggerVance, BlackOPs, Lilgreenbag, etc. He seems like a nice enough fellow but for some reason he's got something against Moe.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I must be sleepy when I spell bite "bight."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

ArticCat, BaggerVance, BlackOPs, Lilgreenbag, etc. He seems like a nice enough fellow but for some reason he's got something against Moe.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:00 PM |

He's a phukin' d0uchebag of the highest order and a troll. He's suckin' you in. At least you got the BlackBallBag to talk about football. Usually all he does is come up here and take shots at people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Right....Hope all of the surgeries go well and all of the guys come back ready to get after it next year. Now down to off season business. How do ya'll feel abt Will Montgomery @ LG, Lichtenstieger @ C, Jammal Brown moving inside to RG? On the defense, what's the feeling abt Bryant and Scott holding down the NT? At least until a young stud can be groomed.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 3, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

That last 3rd down play shows you why he's elite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:09 PM | Report abuse

ArticCat, BaggerVance, BlackOPs, Lilgreenbag, etc. He seems like a nice enough fellow but for some reason he's got something against Moe.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:00 PM |

He's a phukin' d0uchebag of the highest order and a troll. He's suckin' you in. At least you got the BlackBallBag to talk about football. Usually all he does is come up here and take shots at people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:04 PM |

Let me ammend that by saying I don't know that ArcticCat is the same dude as those other three handles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

He's a phukin' d0uchebag of the highest order and a troll. He's suckin' you in. At least you got the BlackBallBag to talk about football. Usually all he does is come up here and take shots at people.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:04 PM |

So nice of you to post such kind, thoughtful remarks.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Right....Hope all of the surgeries go well and all of the guys come back ready to get after it next year. Now down to off season business. How do ya'll feel abt Will Montgomery @ LG, Lichtenstieger @ C, Jammal Brown moving inside to RG? On the defense, what's the feeling abt Bryant and Scott holding down the NT? At least until a young stud can be groomed.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 3, 2011 11:08 PM |

I'm not sold on Lickensticker at any position although he seems to be improving slightly. No way would I move Brown inside, leave him at tackle. If you move him who do you put at RT? Heyer...no frickin' way. Also, hopefully BMW can play gaurd next year but I ain't counting on it. I think we should pick up a gaurd and center in FA and use Lickandstickher as a backup.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I think that Locker is the perfect Shanny reach pick in the first. He's got a ton of "upside" that needs to be tapped. That will intrigue Shanny's ego. I think he'll feel that he can get the most out of Locker via coaching and scheming.

Posted by: TWISI

Shanahan will definitely pick Locker as he seems to like QBs with the Jake (or variation of Jake)name....Jake Plummer...Jay Cutler.

It will be a colossal MISTAKE. It's well documented that Shanahan is a failure at drafting (and he's a PR NIGHTMARE!). Locker is a good kid and can run but he does not win and Cam Newton is far superior...

Posted by: Risa_L | January 3, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

So nice of you to post such kind, thoughtful remarks.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:12 PM

Hey dude, prove me wrong and I'll gladly offer you mea culpa. So far so good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Luck is going to be a very wealthy young man.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 3, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Would like to thank the BCS and every single AD in college football for another blowout. Could you imagine how great it would be to have a college playoffs.

What is this F'in ice skating where judges compile scores and then come up with a winner?

F the BCS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

That last 3rd down play shows you why he's elite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:09 PM |

Sure makes you want a QB that can do those things. Haven't had one in what seems like ages.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

... and use Lickandstickher ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:15 PM |

Good one dude. That was Favre's intent with Jen Sterger until she up and got all hinky with him.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

i dunno. i think Luck may be the real deal. Starter material in the nfl.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Good one dude. That was Favre's intent with Jen Sterger until she up and got all hinky with him.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:22 PM |

...and now 2 more are taking shots at his pockets.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

If Locker gets a year to sit and learn, maybe sexy Rexy can get us 10 wins and the playoffs next season? We need a franchise QB (thought we had one with McNabb...) for the Shannys to groom. Locker could be the real deal around pick 10...

Posted by: rich20ssu

No, No, a thousand times no! Locker is a nice kid and he can run but he does not win!

And no way Rex will get 10 wins. He's not as good as Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 3, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Would like to thank the BCS and every single AD in college football for another blowout. Could you imagine how great it would be to have a college playoffs.

What is this F'in ice skating where judges compile scores and then come up with a winner?

F the BCS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:21 PM |

You know, right after Georgia Tech I went down to Georgia Southern to pick up a quick business degree and they were perennial 1AA playoff/champions during that time. It was a blast to watch the college playoff games and championships.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

i dunno. i think Luck may be the real deal. Starter material in the nfl.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 11:22 PM |

Dik dude - he's fran QB material in the NFL!

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:27 PM | Report abuse

i dunno. i think Luck may be the real deal. Starter material in the nfl.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 11:22 PM

Yeah that Peyton Manning kid might turn out pretty good and I'm predicting that the Patriots got a sleeper in the 6th RD when they drafted that skinny kid from Michigan. I think his name is Tom Brady.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, there goes the neighborhood. We were all having nice conversations until 2 things started happening...
1) I slung mud at the Vances et al. and
2) Risa showed up slinging her Shanny hatred...again. Broken frickin' record. I got an idea for you, I know this is novel but hear me out. Offer a plausible alternative instead of your incessant no, no, no. I await your response with baited breath.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

That last 3rd down play shows you why he's elite.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:09 PM |

If Shanny is watching this game and seeing what Luck can do, he must have a big tent in his pants by now.

Posted by: BiggerVance | January 3, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

No, No, a thousand times no! Locker is a nice kid and he can run but he does not win!

And no way Rex will get 10 wins. He's not as good as Jason Campbell.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 3, 2011 11:27 PM |

Talk about negative! Do you realize you said no or some variation thereof 1005 times in those two sentences? Wow. Get laid or something.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

So everyone thinks Shanny is goin QB w/ the first pick? We should trade down and take Newton or Mallett between 15 and 20, and get a 3rd rounder. We got lotsa holes that need to be filled, so we need to get some extra picks whenever we can. Locker and Luck look like the real deal, but Mallet and Newton are both proven winners. If you can get them later in the 1st, and get another bullet in the gun for later in the draft then you gotta trade down.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 3, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

sam_spg94 - Luck, Newton, Mallett, and possibly Locker comes off the board before we pick at #10.

I would sell the farm to get Luck.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I saw 2 little tidbits that I thought were interesting, especially the Malcolm Kelley one:

Corner Carlos Rogers reiterated that he would like to stick around in Washington, but that this is his chance to cash in after missing out last offseason. He’s not concerned with the potential glut of free agents, saying he’ll be one of the top corners available. Could be that a difference of opinion in terms of his worth prompts him to sign elsewhere.
But he enters free agency having shown that he can cover in the slot as well as drop to safety on occasion.
“I’m familiar with here, I like the players here,” Rogers said. “I don’t want to move. But money always plays a part in it.”

Malcolm Kelly – remember him? – did what Shanahan wanted by staying in town while he was on injured reserve. In most cases, players leave town and they aren’t sticking around for Saturday walk-throughs. Kelly did that.
“That’s hard, man, coming in for meetings every day when you know you won’t be able to play,” he said, “especially when you have the option to be back home hanging out. Once I got fully healthy that was the most frustrating part, going through all the meetings and coming up here Saturday mornings for the walk-through. It was showing him that I want to be here.”
Now he needs to show it on the field.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 3, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think all of them are gonna be off the board before 15....The Packers got A-Rod at the 24th pick, or something like that....The Ravens took Flacco at abt the 17th or 18th pick. There's gonna be a stud QB between 15 and 20. Heck the Browns got Colt McCoy in the 3rd. He looks like he's gonna be winner in Cleveland.

Posted by: sam_spg94 | January 3, 2011 11:50 PM | Report abuse

D - I meant next season. I should have clarified.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 3, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Dik- I'm just F'in with you. Luck is a starter from day 1 and will be a top 3 QB by year 3.

He's the only guy in this draft and that's why I'd call Carolina and ask what they want.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Mista Moe...

Jason Cambpell was mentally done here! We wouldn't have won 6 games with Campbell abd the talent or lack thereof that we have.

Posted by: rickyrage

And this would have been even better for us since we would have better draft position. We are not making the playoffs so what does it matter if we...beat the Giants...?

I lay the majority of the blame on the nightmare that is the Shanahans.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 4, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

So who's willing to give up a 1st, a 2nd, and possibly next year's #3 to move up to get Luck? That dude has it. The question is, how much is a franchise qb worth?

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2011 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Here's my imitation of Risa: Blah, blah, blah HATE. Blah, blah, blah NO. Blah, blah, blah BLAME. Give it a rest, we understand that your life sucks so you do nothing but b!tch and moan but take it somewhere else.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

So who's willing to give up a 1st, a 2nd, and possibly next year's #3 to move up to get Luck? That dude has it. The question is, how much is a franchise qb worth?

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2011 12:03 AM

I've been on Luck's jock for some time. It's too bad that Vinny's guy and make no mistake that if VC was still here we would have taken Clausen @ #4 didn't play better this YR.

I would give up whatever it took for Luck. In my opinion he's the best QB prospect since Manning. F it Blasphemy...He's more athletic, more physical, and is a must have no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton and Michael Vick are superiour to them all. that ia all.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 4, 2011 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I think Luck is a pipe dream for us...unfortunately.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I would give up whatever it took for Luck. In my opinion he's the best QB prospect since Manning. F it Blasphemy...He's more athletic, more physical, and is a must have no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2011 12:12 AM

I'm with you. If Shanny wants the next Elway, then dammit go get him. You know Denver is going to make the move to get Luck if he's in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

that ia all.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 4, 2011 12:17 AM |

If only that were true.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Carolina has the shot at Luck, but given how what teams might be willing to pony up, I'm reasonably sure they'd listen to offers.

Moving up to get Luck will be very expensive. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone pays the price.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 4, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton and Michael Vick are superiour to them all. that ia all.

Posted by: Risa_L | January 4, 2011 12:17 AM

It'll be interesting to see how Newton, if he comes out, fares with pre-draft hoopla. I like Newton's skill set, but his lack of game experience at the highest level concerns me.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

All this nonsense about trading up to draft a qb, is just plain old nonsense. Not even Jim Zorn was stupid enough to trade away draft picks.

Have ye learned nothing from the past? Why aren't you guys who are praising Luck, the same ones praising and wanting to go after Vick when we had a chance.

Shows how much you know about football. The fact that you actually think we would trade up for Luck is silly. And let's me know that if you want it to happen, it ain't gonna happen. When was the last time any of you were right about our draft anyway?

Posted by: Risa_L | January 4, 2011 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Risa, you are a miserable b!tch. Do you ever say anything positive...EVER? Why don't you go get some schlong in you and chill out.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I would give up whatever it took for Luck. In my opinion he's the best QB prospect since Manning. F it Blasphemy...He's more athletic, more physical, and is a must have no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

CO FING SIGN. The brains, the polish, THAT THROW. I saw two more outstanding throws that the one made look simply pedestrian. Call me a believer. F it... go get him.
It will help that the Carolina boss is a cheapo... adn hopefully will tell the new coach/gm that they cant take Luck.. at that point it makes sense to move down and stockpile. They could theoretically get three ten year starters for one pick.

Its nice to dream. I think the kid is worth the price. This is where the McNabb dice roll is extra painful... we don't exactly have a treasure trove of draft picks.

We could always hold our QB water this year, roll with Sexy, and target Barkley next year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2011 12:46 AM | Report abuse

"Here's my imitation of Risa: Blah, blah, blah HATE. Blah, blah, blah NO. Blah, blah, blah BLAME. Give it a rest, we understand that your life sucks so you do nothing but b!tch and moan but take it somewhere else.

Posted by: scampbell1975

scamp, i am pretty sure risa l is fake poster imitator of lisa r. one post was even almost a full cut-n-paste from an earlier post of hers. if anything the imitation isn't shrill enough...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2011 1:23 AM | Report abuse

"Here's my imitation of Risa: Blah, blah, blah HATE. Blah, blah, blah NO. Blah, blah, blah BLAME. Give it a rest, we understand that your life sucks so you do nothing but b!tch and moan but take it somewhere else.

Posted by: scampbell1975

scamp, i am pretty sure risa l is fake poster imitator of lisa r. one post was even almost a full cut-n-paste from an earlier post of hers. if anything the imitation isn't shrill enough...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2011 1:23 AM | Report

They're actually the same poster. She gave herself away a while ago. Anyways, I figured if she was gonna keep posting negativity and not add anything of any substance then I was gonna give her hell. I'm done now though. Peace out Skins fans and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 1:26 AM | Report abuse

i still don't buy it, how'd she give it away? i'm not defending either of them, i just think one is og annoying and the other a faker.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2011 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Cuck my sock Jason Reid!

Thanks

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | January 4, 2011 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I would give up whatever it took for Luck. In my opinion he's the best QB prospect since Manning. F it Blasphemy...He's more athletic, more physical, and is a must have no matter what the cost.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2011 12:12 AM

I'm with you. If Shanny wants the next Elway, then dammit go get him. You know Denver is going to make the move to get Luck if he's in this draft.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow, if brownwood and Moe agree, then I'll be convinced! With Diesel, TWISI, and Kaneohe on board the Luck train already, he must be the real deal.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 4, 2011 5:22 AM | Report abuse

McNabb,Haynesworth and Portis to Carolina and switch picks with them in the first round, then pick Luck.

Posted by: westjr88 | January 4, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

NFL New England Patriots Team Salaries $ 92,734,120

Low payroll, a lotta rookies playing defense, non-name receivers, tons 'o draft picks, and they're 14-2.

They can't lose with the stiff they use.

Are you jealous?

I am.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 3, 2011 8:19 PM |
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No. Envious. But not jealous.

Because NONE of the above works without a man named Tom Brady. He IS the reason they have those Lombardi trophys - and he'll be the reason if they get another one this year.

Belicheat's Cleveland record shows what kind of coach he is without the second-coming of Joe Montana aka Tom Brady.

And it's easy to play rooks on defense when your offense is scoring 30+ points per game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 4, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

And it's easy to play rooks on defense when your offense is scoring 30+ points per game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 4, 2011 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Exactly

Posted by: westjr88 | January 4, 2011 7:58 AM | Report abuse

"Here's my imitation of Risa: Blah, blah, blah HATE. Blah, blah, blah NO. Blah, blah, blah BLAME. Give it a rest, we understand that your life sucks so you do nothing but b!tch and moan but take it somewhere else.

Posted by: scampbell1975

scamp, i am pretty sure risa l is fake poster imitator of lisa r. one post was even almost a full cut-n-paste from an earlier post of hers. if anything the imitation isn't shrill enough...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2011 1:23 AM | Report

They're actually the same poster. She gave herself away a while ago. Anyways, I figured if she was gonna keep posting negativity and not add anything of any substance then I was gonna give her hell. I'm done now though. Peace out Skins fans and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2011 1:26 AM |


You've got the right train baby, but the wrong yo-yo.

Risa_L is a sock puppet, but she's not Lisa_R.

Risa_L originally came up here to attack Lisa_R, cutting and pasting her posts with a few word changes. Then, after a while Risa_L morphed into "an angry black woman" spouting a lot of racial hate.

Now? Who knows? ITA.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 4, 2011 8:02 AM | Report abuse


Ok, I gotta level with your guys. Port sucks when a cigar is not involved.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 3, 2011 8:35 PM

Two words: stilton cheese.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 3, 2011 8:45 PM
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Sounds good. I would have gone for anything with dark chocolate. Of course, all is moot if you are not drinking a decent port.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

from John Keim...
"The Redskins need a young player like Vonnie Holliday. Perhaps no player better understood his role in the defense more than Holliday. Watching him all season it’s clear he knew the proper angles to take and he knew how to play with leverage. At 35, he just couldn’t have done it in a full-time role for 16 games. But it’s not a coincidence that the run defense improved with him playing more the last two games for injured Kedric Golston. But what the Redskins need is to find a young player who has been in a 3-4 who understands how to play it; makes a difference. Nobody set up his teammates better than Holliday. See, the Redskins don’t just need a pass-rushing linebacker, they need a lineman who can threaten the quarterback, too. One big difference between the Redskins and New York is the Giants collapsed the pocket with their tackles. Time and again, they shoved the Redskins guards back. Really, there were several times I was a little surprised Grossman got the pass off; not sure how he saw his target and he had nowhere to step up into the pocket. Makes the ends more dangerous as well. The Redskins have no one like that (though, of course, they did). So even if they get another linebacker, they’ll still need to find a lineman who can rush as well. This defense will not be complete until that’s the case. I also think this speaks to needing to find at least one more guard who can anchor better vs. bigger tackles. It’s needed in the NFC East. It’s great to use some finesse, but you need to play a physical style to win in this division."

... I've wondered if MS/KS should use Dockery more in the NFC East games, where there are big NT's and DT's. It's not like we are playing in the AFC West. A platoon of OG's might be more effective.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 3, 2011 6:18 PM
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So many on this blog think the Redskins should go draft some pretty boy QB first but I have to tell you, I think it would be unwise to draft anything other than an offensive or defensive line. Rebuilding starts up front. Save the whales.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Six Redskins need surgery
By Jason Reid

There, fixed it for ya Reid! Carlos Rogers needs both hand AND brain transplants.

Posted by: monk811 | January 4, 2011 8:28 AM | Report abuse


So many on this blog think the Redskins should go draft some pretty boy QB first but I have to tell you, I think it would be unwise to draft anything other than an offensive or defensive line. Rebuilding starts up front. Save the whales.


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:17 AM |
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I'm in tune with you rsh, time to start the "save the whales" campaign. after all the years of ignoring the o-line and d-line in the draft, peeps are screaming to draft a QB. UFB?

SAVE THE WHALES-SAVE THE WHALES-SAVE THE WHALES!!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 4, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

So many on this blog think the Redskins should go draft some pretty boy QB first but I have to tell you, I think it would be unwise to draft anything other than an offensive or defensive line. Rebuilding starts up front. Save the whales.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:17 AM |

I'm agnostic on this. But I think the point of drafting a QB -- if you can -- is that you can get OL and DL in free agency. But if you want a franchise QB you have to get him in the draft or through a very expensive trade. These guys just don't come out in free agency.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 4, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

some good humor up here last night, guys wanting to trade the farm for a qb in the upcoming draft, which makes sense, because in reality, this team is just 1 player away, no other needs other than a top notch qb...but this was my favorite

"I've wondered if MS/KS should use Dockery more in the NFC East games"

didn't they JUST play the giants, and 2 games ago didn't they play the cowboys..and did DDock play in either game....sometimes I wonder how people post here without outside help...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2011 8:35 AM | Report abuse

RSH, they definitely need to go OL or DL with their first pick, where ever that is. But they can't roll into next season with Grossman as their QB. Yeah, the offense has looked better with him as the starting QB, but you'll eventually get Bad Rex.

It's not that people are screaming to draft a QB, its just that people are not sold on Rex Grossman. If he obviously isn't the future, then why not draft a QB in the later rounds?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 4, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep, RedDMV,
I know, I know - the thought of Grossman starting next year doesn't exactly fill me with visions of the Superbowl, either. Still, I think there's only one sure player at QB in this draft and he will be long gone before the Redskins draft. I'd be happy with drafting a "surer" thing at nose tackle or offensive lineman and maybe kicking the tires of a few free agent QB's or trading Haynesworth or Carter for some team's backup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Besides with Fridge he was a terrible recruiter. The man that is resposible for the talent that is there is now the HC @ Vandy (Franklin).

It's a tough industry...You know 7 bowl games in 10 Yrs, National coach of the YR, 2x ACC coach of the YR. Days after the latest ACC COY he was told he wouldn't be back.

Gotta be able to recruit and fill those 12 empty suites that were bulit with Ralph's success.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse


And so what was the problem with keeping James Franklin?

I don't think Edsall is a bad guy, but what with the "strategy" the Kevin Andersen outlined when he fired Fridge, I don't see how Edsall fis the bill.

Andersen said he needed to do something to energize the fanbase - Edsall is about as exciting as a wet-noodle in terms of moving the buzz-o-meter.

Andersen talked about competing for ACC Championships. While Edsall seems like a fine coach, Fridge and Franklin were fine coaches. The problem in competing for the ACC was never coaching, it was recruiting. Edsall as a recruiter, apparently has a history of finding overlooked/undervalued talent and coaching them up. Is that going to get it done in the ACC? That's basically what Fridge/Frnaklin have been doing for years. Edsall has no pipeline here, and no recruiting moxy.

Edsall is apparently a nuts-n-bolts straight-line coach in the mold of Tom COughlin. Not very creative with his offense (I believe he was an old D-coordinator). Doesn't sound like very exciting brand of football. In fact, if I'm Danny O'Brien right now, I may be seriously thinking about a transfer.

Anyhow, UMD is no football juggernaut, but neither is it a no-account program that needs to be built from scratch.

I'm not saying Leach was going to be "the guy" - though I think he energizes the fanbase, and does a better job recruiting in the South.

But I just don;t see why you push out Fridge/Frnaklin for Edsall.

Posted by: p1funk | January 4, 2011 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Still, I think there's only one sure player at QB in this draft and he will be long gone before the Redskins draft. I'd be happy with drafting a "surer" thing at nose tackle or offensive lineman and maybe kicking the tires of a few free agent QB's or trading Haynesworth or Carter for some team's backup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:47 AM

1. There are no "sure players" at QB, or any other position, in this or any other draft.

2. This is about as high as the Redskins will be drafting as long as Shanahan is coach.

3. The Redskins have to have four QBs in camp next fall. Two of them will be Beck and Grossman. They will take a QB in the draft and they will sign one as a free agent, maybe an undrafted free agent. What round they take the QB in depends on how the Shanahans evaluate the talent out there, relative to their offense, and on what falls to them when they pick.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 4, 2011 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Luck really was the straight up shti last night, eh? Really incredible. No way that kid stays in another year. Lol.

I'm interested in seeing Cam, too. I know there's a big knock on him playing in the NFL. And I haven't watched too much of him this season. But it kinda seems, to me, that his skill set is kinda what we need here. Maybe even to the point of letting him in after he gets a little comfortable w/ the system.

...provided he lasts 'till 10th.

How many teams in 1-9 need rook QBs?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 4, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

TWISI

...how much is a franchise qb worth?


Doesn't it depend on which player you deem a franchise quarterback?

Luck certainly is.

Newton could be.

Mallett might be.

Locker, though, might be there at pick 10.

And unlike the other 3 guys, he's the one we could get without the expense of draft picks.

He is mobile, has played in an NFL-lite system, has the arm, has had the weight of an offense on his shoulders--in other words, all the things you look for in a quarterback you'd like to be the face of the team.

I think the Shanahans will evaluate Jake Locker, see an athlete with an arm, and draft him.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Still, I think there's only one sure player at QB in this draft and he will be long gone before the Redskins draft. I'd be happy with drafting a "surer" thing at nose tackle or offensive lineman and maybe kicking the tires of a few free agent QB's or trading Haynesworth or Carter for some team's backup.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 8:47 AM

1. There are no "sure players" at QB, or any other position, in this or any other draft.

2. This is about as high as the Redskins will be drafting as long as Shanahan is coach.

3. The Redskins have to have four QBs in camp next fall. Two of them will be Beck and Grossman. They will take a QB in the draft and they will sign one as a free agent, maybe an undrafted free agent. What round they take the QB in depends on how the Shanahans evaluate the talent out there, relative to their offense, and on what falls to them when they pick.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 4, 2011 9:04 AM
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Agree on "no sure thing" at any position, but at some positions, the Redskins have had better luck at developing players drafted high than at others. Blue chip offensive linemen (think Trent Williams and Chris Samuels) pan out more than blue chip quarterbacks (think Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey and Heath Shuler). When the focus is on "get better faster", I think it makes sense to put your chips on the big guys. Having said that, do the Redskins take a leap on some lesser known QB in the later rounds? Maybe. As long as the guy is viewed as a project who is going to sit behind senior QB's for a couple of years, I think this is okay. The very last thing they should do is throw a rookie QB behind center next year. The Redskins offensive line was something like 28th in the league in givign up sacks. You can't throw a rookie QB behind that mess.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

moe,
how 'bout gabbert (sp)?

(though i'd still like to draft as many linemen as possible)

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 4, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

redDMV

...they definitely need to go OL or DL with their first pick,...

Why spent a high pick on what you could satisfy in FA?

There are a number of under 27 interior lineman about to hit FA--and adding a center and guard from that group means you still have a high pick.

Folks who want the 320 pound Pouncey don't get that Shanny likes light athletic guys.

And seeing how Kyle has his daddy's ear, Shanny while deliver a 1st round quarterback and complimentary wide receiver.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

They're actually the same poster. She gave herself away a while ago. Anyways, I figured if she was gonna keep posting negativity and not add anything of any substance then I was gonna give her hell. I'm done now though. Peace out Skins fans and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 |

Risa_L is definitely NOT me. She/he has been cutting and pasting my posts for a long time (and others posts as well). I have not even posted on this blog (or read comments) for months until this last Sunday. I think this poster is a guy - probably a teenager. And I will NOT be posting after this so rest assured if you see anything under Risa (or anyone else pretending to be me) it's a FAKE trying to get something started.

That being said - my one final word before departing is: SCampbell, WHY in the world do you feel that you are RIGHT about everything? Who died and made you the Blog God??? You attack me and others on this blog who do not agree with you. You are on the blog 24-7 (no job?) and continually write derogatory comments about anyone with a different opinion than yours. You are immature - get over yourself.

That said, I'm out....will not be returning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

And unlike the other 3 guys, he's the one we could get without the expense of draft picks.

He is mobile, has played in an NFL-lite system, has the arm, has had the weight of an offense on his shoulders--in other words, all the things you look for in a quarterback you'd like to be the face of the team.

I think the Shanahans will evaluate Jake Locker, see an athlete with an arm, and draft him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse
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Moe, have you watched Locker this year? I really haven't watched him to any useful degree. I keep hearing about his accuracy and poor decisionmaking this year as compared to last year, which makes me nervous. What's your take?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 4, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse


That being said - my one final word before departing is: SCampbell, WHY in the world do you feel that you are RIGHT about everything? Who died and made you the Blog God??? You attack me and others on this blog who do not agree with you. You are on the blog 24-7 (no job?) and continually write derogatory comments about anyone with a different opinion than yours. You are immature - get over yourself.

That said, I'm out....will not be returning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2011 9:56 AM |
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I'm sure he'll be heart broken.

Posted by: hessone | January 4, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

From what I've been reading there isn't much in the way of OL in the first 10 picks. Maybe a stud DL. So its either QB project or trade back. April will be here soon though.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That said, I'm out....will not be returning.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 4, 2011 9:56 AM

I hope you don't mean this, although I have noticed there are some here who seem to stalk you and attack all your posts.

I appreciate how you normally ignore the blog bullies and present your own views.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 4, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

...think Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey and Heath Shuler).

Past is past.

None of the people who drafted those players is in house now.

Shuler was wanted by the FO, not Norv Turner.

Ramsey was desired by someone named Steve Spurrier who didn't understand what an NFL quarterback needed.

Jason Campbell is still a starting NFL quarterback: so how's he a failure?

If Shanny had kept him around, we'd have two additional picks, and fewer questions about the position in terms of a vet some young'n could sit behind.

We've drafted linemen who've bombed (Chad Rhinehart, Mo Eliwinebi, Booby Taylor, Jim Molinaro, Anthony Montgemory) just as much as we've drafted guys who've succeeded.

So: we don't draft lineman now because that history?

Please.

You can't not draft at a position because of past failures performed by managers no longer with the team.

Past is past.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Drive by blogging. Thx Lis.

OT
Everyone here ever look at Lynch's work as realism? lol.

Eraserhead is cracking me up right now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 4, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Ramsey was desired by someone named Steve Spurrier who didn't understand what an NFL quarterback needed.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:06 AM

Ramsey was a Snyder/Cerrato pick. Spurrier didn't want him. He brought in his own guys from UFla--Mathews and Wuerfel. 'Skins nearly traded his rights to Chicago before he signed when he held out.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 4, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

We can draft a qb, and should if our "evaluators" really believe he's a long term solution. But I'm just worried bc shanahan is currently 0 for 1 in the qb selection process in dc. Much will be forgiven if he ends up 1 for 2 though.

Anthony Montgomery was like a 5th rounder and had some productive moments. Not what I'd call a good pick, but not a bust. Dallas Sartz, now theres a bust!

Posted by: AdamCr | January 4, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

have you watched Locker this year?

I've watched R Mallet play more than Locker this past year.

Both guys have strenghts/weaknesses.

Looking at Shanny's system, you have to ask, which guy fits?

The answer: Cam Newton.

My point is that each of the top 4-5 quarterback prospects offers something good, Luck being the best as he has everything.

We'd do well to have any of them as they'd throw as many low balls as McNabb and picks as Rex as rookies.

It's how they project into the future as vets that's the tricky part.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Elway

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

adamcr

But I'm just worried bc shanahan is currently 0 for 1 in the qb selection process in dc.

Now, that's a right true point.

I think what they want is a guy with foot speed and an arm: that's Newton/Locker/Luck.

They won't get Luck/Newton.

And the 6'7" Mallett is more like the second coming of the Tin Woodsman than Mike Vick, even with the cannon arm.

Which is why my money is on Locker being the #10 pick by the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The answer: Cam Newton.

My point is that each of the top 4-5 quarterback prospects offers something good, Luck being the best as he has everything.

We'd do well to have any of them as they'd throw as many low balls as McNabb and picks as Rex as rookies.

It's how they project into the future as vets that's the tricky part.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse
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We had this same discussion a couple weeks ago. Newton is a guy that I have watched, so I feel qualified to comment. He seems to have good accuracy and decision-making, but he still makes me nervous b/c of the history of college QBs who've only started one year, plus the obvious spread offense concern. But to me, the bigger issue with Netwon is that a fundamental part of his game is his running ability, and not necessarily a Michael Vick-style breakaway. Cam will sometimes barrel right through the interior gaps on either a designed play or when he gave up on the WRs really quickly, which he certainly won't be able to do with regularity in the NFL. Since he can't do the senior bowl, I'll be very anxious to see him throw the route tree at the combine (for what that's worth, but it's all we will be able to see). I think of Cam as a Vince Young (in a football sense; not mentally) with a more accurate arm. As great as Cam is, I'm not sure his strengths will be able to be fully maximized in the NFL. I think alot of it depends on how well he's able to read a defense, be patient, and accurately find his #2 or #3 option without instantly improvizing, and I don't think really did that in college, and probably didn't in high school either.

Not saying he wouldn't be worth a shot if he's available at #10, but I think we all would need to be prepared for him being something of a project if Shanny grabs him. Maybe that wouldn't be a bad thing, though - a little patience by the RI crowd, too.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 4, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

IF we take a QB I'd much rather sit pretty at 10 and take Locker, who would have been a steal at 10 last year and had a down year due to many things outside of his control. No to jettisoning pick to move up.

Also will there even be a draft? a Salary cap? free agency? a season? This all seems premature to me with no CBA

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

...think Jason Campbell, Patrick Ramsey and Heath Shuler).

Past is past.

None of the people who drafted those players is in house now.

Shuler was wanted by the FO, not Norv Turner.

Ramsey was desired by someone named Steve Spurrier who didn't understand what an NFL quarterback needed.

Jason Campbell is still a starting NFL quarterback: so how's he a failure?

If Shanny had kept him around, we'd have two additional picks, and fewer questions about the position in terms of a vet some young'n could sit behind.

We've drafted linemen who've bombed (Chad Rhinehart, Mo Eliwinebi, Booby Taylor, Jim Molinaro, Anthony Montgemory) just as much as we've drafted guys who've succeeded.

So: we don't draft lineman now because that history?

Please.

You can't not draft at a position because of past failures performed by managers no longer with the team.

Past is past.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2011 10:06 AM
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Moe,
If I didn't know anything at all about the college quarterbacks, I can tell by just the uncertainty on the RI blog that there's a lot of risk out there. I think Luck is the real deal and if the Redskins had a shot, they should take him. The rest of the guys coming out (or possibly coming out) have question marks. Rewind to last year's draft and think about the Bradford discussion. He seemed like the closest thing to a sure thing and then everyone else was a question mark. Even so, there were so many people on this blog wanting Clausen, Tebow or McCoy. Of the QB's that were drafted last year, there's only one guy who made a significant impact, but history has taught us nothing. Here we are again this year ranting that we need to draft a QB.

Clearly, the offensive line that gave up 46 sacks this year can be shored up with veterans since that plan worked so well last year. (I don't know if any of you have noticed, but I think Jammal Brown could have appeared in True Grit with the hitch he has in his giddyup). Obviously, the defense that was 31st in the league is going to be rock solid without the benefit of a bona fide nose tackle.

I've said it before and will say it again, "you rebuild teams up front first". The rebuilding process on the offensive and defensive lines is no where near being complete. Ignore the bright lights and whirring noises associated with pretty boy QB's and focus on the bulls in the trenches that will win games...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 4, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Read between the lines...he said other coaches may have an opportunity to get other gigs...

that's coachspeak for...find another job or I'll fire you!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 3, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

no...I'm pretty sure he's saying "I"m keeping you guys" Granted MS isn't the most forthcoming with the media on week-to-week personnel matters, but he's not going to say "I'm keeping them all" and then start doling out pink slips. I'm OK with this- except for Danny Smith.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 4, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

sam_spg94 - Luck, Newton, Mallett, and possibly Locker comes off the board before we pick at #10.

I would sell the farm to get Luck.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 3, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

First, I'd bet anything short of my condo or my dog that sam_spg94's scenario is wrong- at best 2 QB's will come off the board in the top 9.

Secondly, Diesel- I'm glad you're drinking the Luck Kool Aid but it is precisely this type of thinking that has us mortgaged to the hilt. Yea, he will probably be a stud but we cannot afford him. Would you really give up this year's 1st and 2nd as well as next year's 1st for the kid, because that's about what it would take to move from 10 to 1. I would not. As RedskinHead said, we must build from the trenches. Besides, the Shannys can find and develop a good QB in the mid-late rounds.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 4, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Skins staff have to evaluate the 2010 season before determining the status of AH and McNabb. What a joke. Didn't they see 16 games worth to make a decision w/o further evaluation?

Cut AH and McNabb and move on. Of course these two guys will turn back into Pro Bowlers with their new teams but it is time to cut the cord.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 4, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

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