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Posted at 2:49 PM ET, 12/ 1/2010

LaRon Landry a "longshot" to play this weekend

By Jason Reid

Strong safety LaRon Landry, out the past two games because of an Achilles' tendon injury, is "a longshot" to play this week against the New York Giants, Coach Mike Shanahan said after practice Wednesday.

Landry, who has worn a walking boot recently, did not participate in practice as the Redskins began preparations to face the Giants Sunday at New Meadowlands Stadium. Because of the rain Wednesday morning, the team bused to an indoor facility to practice, but Landry did nothing during the session on a gymnasium floor.

"I'm not going to say he's definitely out," Shanahan said. "But I'd say it's a longshot."

Cornerback Carlos Rogers, who has hamstring injuries in both legs, and running back Ryan Torain, sidelined for weeks with a lingering hamstring problem, also did not participate in practice.

"Both of 'em are a little bit sore," Shanahan said of Rogers's hamstrings. "It'll be day by day. Hard to get a feel today, since we were inside, but we'll get a much better feel tomorrow."

Injured during the Week 8 loss to the Detroit Lions, Torain sat out the second half of that game and received therapy during the bye week. Torain was active for the Week 10 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, but aggravated the injury during pregame warmups and sat out the 59-28 loss at FedEx Field.

The second-year back, who has a history of injuries, was inactive during the Week 11 victory over the Tennessee Titans and the Week 12 loss to the Minnesota Vikings at FedEx. Despite missing so much time recently, Torain still leads the team with 391 yards (he has a 4.3-yard average) rushing. Torain and rookie back Keiland Williams are tied for the team lead with three rushing touchdowns.

Running back Clinton Portis, placed on the season-ending injured reserve last week, was scheduled to undergo surgery Tuesday morning to repair a torn abdominal muscle. Shanahan said he did not have an update on Portis's surgery.

By Jason Reid  | December 1, 2010; 2:49 PM ET
Categories:  Clinton Portis, LaRon Landry, Ryan Torain  
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This is the time of the year to put all those players with lingering injuries, eg LL, on IR and snap up players off some practice squad. Get some OL, and DL players who can be coached up for next year.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, the second guessing Shanahan edition, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

Yup, a rare multi-part edition. But if I’m going controversial …

As many up here know, I was a big fan of hiring Mike Shanahan as HC, not so much as team exec. But I’m finding it harder to be a fan of Shanahan in either role at this point. But first, some background.

According to Tim Keown of ESPN, Shanahan “coaches like a guy who doesn't need it”. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=keown/101109

Falser words have rarely been spoken. The reality is Shanahan needs to run a football show. It is as critical to Shanahan as oxygen. It is not just his own life, it is the chosen profession of his only son. If Stefan Fatsis had titled his book about his time with Shanahan “Obsession”, Shanahan would probably have taken it as a compliment (Fatsis went with the title: A Few Seconds of Panic). Football is Shanahan’s world and I’ll suggest those who need confirmation read Fatsis’ articles or his book.

Shanahan believes he has the answers, that he’s the sharpest mind in football. He’s probably right in some aspects. But that sort of confidence isn’t bordering on arrogant. It is over the top arrogant. His explanations of McNabb’s benching vs DET weren’t honest. He knew it, the media knew it and the fans knew it. And it’s hard to imagine Shanahan cared.

What mattered to Shanahan about the McNabb incident is the same thing that mattered to him about his issues with Haynesworth. When Shanahan sent messages to these specific players, others were copied on memo: No one is to challenge Shanahan. Not any players, not Bruce Allen, not Dan Snyder, not Haslett and certainly not Kyle Shanahan. MS has taken actions towards his two most highly paid players. No one has told him to cool it. Shanahan has absolute power to do what he wants in DC. No checks, no balances.

He is a control freak that understands power. He knows the owner can’t stop him and players can’t challenge him. He’s smart enough to hire coaches that respect him and his accomplishments. Of course, they really can’t leave, either – its doubtful any team would hire Kyle or Haslett into a similar position at this point.

I doubt there is a single bone in Mike Shanahan’s body that feels threatened. Even after the problems with Albert, the meltdown vs DET, the meltdown in philly and now the loss vs Minny.

Nonetheless, Shanahan has a very complex set of motivations. A team president needs to look at the world differently than a HC. And differently than a GM. And differently than a father. Shanahan has all of those roles to manage, every day. I’m particularly wondering about the father-son situation. I’m generally skeptical of this sort of thing, and the more I see, the more I get a sense that neither is bringing out the best in the other.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, Part 2

Though most see Shanahan through his experiences in Denver, other football experiences are perhaps more important.

Prior to his hiring as Bronco head coach, Shanahan ran the West Coast offense for the 49ers, inherited from the greatest offensive mind of all, Bill Walsh. But Walsh was hardly the only West Coast learning experience for Shanahan.

The Al Davis world of Raider football is a bizarro world that requires a suspension of common sense. Davis, ticked off at Marcus Allen, attempted to replace the future HOF running back while still in his prime, eventually forcing Allen to be benched. The Davis-Allen feud took shape during the coaching tenure of Mike Shanahan. Then Shanahan was personally screwed over by Davis. Shanahan won a lawsuit for compensation related to his firing, and has still been unable to collect.

A third football experience is unlike the other 2. Shanahan suffered a ruptured kidney during a football practice while in college – and nearly died.

Shanahan’s experiences in football, with a genius, a madmen and mortality, are hardly the norm. Given Shanahan’s history, his battle with Haynesworth, his benching of McNabb, the large scale failures apparent in the switch to a 3-4 and even the Monday blowout loss to philly are downright pedestrian by comparison.

Snyder bought into Mike Shanahan as a guy who needs zero on-the-job training. Shanahan is a brilliant guy with incredible and unique experiences, but he still has his blind spots.

Fans and media quickly picked up the failed experiments that were Kory Lichtensteiger (keeping Dockery out of uniform on game day is just as telling), Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. The area that Shanahan would be expected to have the biggest impact, the offense, is the area where the team is most like the Zorn era teams. Halftime adjustments? Just not happening. Character? Come crunch time, this team looks lost more often than not, both players and coaches.

As someone who advocated for Coach Shanahan and against Executive Shanahan, I’m finding less reason to buy into either one at this point. He’s a bunch better than Jim Zorn, but that is very faint praise. To paraphrase Sharon Stone, a dirt sandwich is better than Jim Zorn.

I wonder if there is simply too much on Shanahan’s plate. He doesn’t appear to have the fire he needs, and I get a sense that he’s having trouble processing what is going on. Perhaps the man just needs a few good nights sleep.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

while I like his potential, Torain is proving too fragile...put LL on IR, bring in Piscatelli, and see if he can play....build for the future...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I just wrote about Laron possibly being put on IR. www.Roccoskins.com

Posted by: roccoskins | December 1, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, Part 3

Shanahan’s offseason moves (trades, FA signings and player re-signings) were, for the most part, individually defensible. The cumulative effect, however, was to make an old team even older, with fewer high draft picks for 2010 and 2011. It was ‘win now’, or at least, ‘win soon’. The desperately needed rebuilding process was, at best, significantly delayed. The limited youth movement is TW, the Scrap Heap 5 (Torain, Lichtensteiger, KWilliams, Banks, Armstrong) and perhaps W Montgomery or James Davis. Only TW and Banks look like key pieces. To me, it looks like we lost more than a year in the rebuilding process as we traded picks, reduced the value of tradable guys (AH92, Carter) while creating new and critically unsolved needs with the 3-4 transition.

Some will argue that it was appropriate to make the 3-4 in 2010 -- that there was much to be learned this season, even if it meant a difficult transition. I could buy that reasoning, except this team made too many ‘win now’ moves.

The approach to 2010 suggested to me that Shanahan believed he was at the peak of his power and could win a championship this season. Not that he would win one, but that it was possible. Upgrade this team to good, get hot at the exact right time – combine a fortunate bounce or three with a few brilliant coaching moves – and championship!! It has happened before. But he fell into the same pit as Cerrato did, believing he could rebuild and win at the same time. He underestimated the tasks on offense and the new system on defense. Based on pay vs performance, he considerably overestimated Donovan McNabb (though Donovan did play well vs Minny). And, worst of all, Shanahan overestimated himself.

Unlike Cerrato, Shanahan has all the levers. He is all-powerful, at least for now. Of all the changes Shanahan will need to make, the one that maybe most important is to find someone he can trust to handle some of the key responsibilities he currently takes on himself. Simply put, I think a major problem with this team is that Shanahan is trying to do too many jobs. My recommendation? Have the Skins hire Harbaugh from Stanford to be the HC next season and hope Shanahan can be a better exec than he’s shown so far. But it won’t happen. Right now, Shanahan is harming himself and this team. Cracks are showing, and a bad stretch to finish this season won’t be good for anyone. Short term or long term.

And that is ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES (with some added reading in the links) as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Stephan Fatsis on Shanny:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121477975676614277.html.html?mod=sports&mg=com-wsj

ESPN wrote an article on the nastiest nuptials in sports, Shanahan is the only name to appear twice, his battle with Davis and in a supporting role in the Elway-Reeves break-up:

http://sports.espn.go.com/page2/s/armstrong/030103.html

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

In a team cost-cutting measure, team owner Dan the Midget Megalomaniac has offered up his own office as an indoor training facility for the Redskins.

With so many players on the injury list –- due in at least some part to having to practice in substandard facilities -- the team is hard pressed to do much more than a bit of stretching and some seven-on-seven drills -- all of which can be comfortably accommodated in the owner's spacious office.

However, the players have been warned to beware of sitting on the owner's office furniture, which was specially ordered from a kindergarten supply warehouse, and personally measured to make the miserly runt of an owner appear larger than life.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Time to start bringing in some Greens. If we keep throwing out Hickas and Rabach i will be pissed. We need to see what else we have.

I also have ZERo confidence in Torain, this dude hasnt played a full year of football in half a decade, not good for a youngster. Need to see what else we have in the pantry, from the Davis to the Snausberries.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

More Kevin Barnes, Terrance Austin, Darel Young and Perry Rileys too. Yes even though he messed it would be big if he can be a player for us.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


honestly couldn't care less about the pro-bowl....not sure anyone on this team save for Banks deserves a spot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 1, 2010 1:50 PM |

I agree greg, by the way, staying old is getting old. how about some guys that keep down the talent banner and let their playing do the talking.

build o-line and d-line thru the draft and sprinkle FA's in the mix

pro bowl = never even watch it

Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

And that is ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES (with some added reading in the links) as always, brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo paying per word?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 1, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Time to start bringing in some Greens. If we keep throwing out Hickas and Rabach i will be pissed. We need to see what else we have.

I also have ZERo confidence in Torain, this dude hasnt played a full year of football in half a decade, not good for a youngster. Need to see what else we have in the pantry, from the Davis to the Snausberries.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

Ever since the Tenn. game I've been screaming for Monty at center and Heyer at RG.

Torain is good when healthy, Banks is a keeper.

We really need to bust out the gadget plays with Banks against the G-men.

He is definitely the fastest guy on the field.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 1, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Time to start bringing in some Greens. If we keep throwing out Hickas and Rabach i will be pissed. We need to see what else we have.

I also have ZERo confidence in Torain, this dude hasnt played a full year of football in half a decade, not good for a youngster. Need to see what else we have in the pantry, from the Davis to the Snausberries.

Posted by: Stu27

It takes more than talent to make it the NFL. Torain has the talent part of the package, but if can't stay healthy, he can't be a solution. Off the top of my head, I don't see any of the young Skins that have shown they clearly belong at this level other than TW, Banks and perhaps Armstrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Only way any of the players on this team should make the Pro Bowl is if they opt to go for cheap laughs and broadcast it on the Comedy Channel.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

jjd72079

Instead of looking at just the quarterback's stats, how about what's around him?

We are aware of the variances in personnel.

The idea was to generate sum chatta.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo paying per word?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Same as ever.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I just wrote about Laron possibly being put on IR. www.Roccoskins.com

Posted by: roccoskins | December 1, 2010 3:05 PM

If we loose on Sunday, he will go on I.R.

If we win, he may come back for for the last 3 games, if playoffs matter....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Only way any of the players on this team should make the Pro Bowl is if they opt to go for cheap laughs and broadcast it on the Comedy Channel.

DEF Redskin Jam:

AH: When Dan Snyder tried to get his $21 million bucks back from me this summer, I hid it in the one place you put money in and never see it again:

A stripper's vagina.

(INSERT polite laughter)

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Also....

What is Shanny scared of? These bamas can't practice in the rain? They've been practicing in the rain irregardless forever before he came to coach the team........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, zeke, I read you loud and clear, but assuming Dan Snyder came to see things the way you do, do you really think it would be possible for him to have a conversation with Mike Shanahan and convince him to step out of the head coaching role?

I ask because I don't think Shanahan would ever suggest such a move or see it as necessary on his own... and because there's only one guy above him in the organization.

And I don't believe Shanahan would take kindly to the suggestion that it was time for him to get off the sideline. Even if the empirical evidence -- play on the field -- indicates that's the case.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Its really tough for me to judge our RB situation due to the terrible oline. Torain is fine when healthy, but his amount of healthy time means that you have to have another roster spot attached to him for when he goes down.
Peeps arent happy with Davis game last time aas they should be. However he is a burner that needs to see a crease to hit it, no creases were availble so no break outs. KW I like out of the backfield put his pass protection will need to improve.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I can honestly say that imo the opening drive last week was the best drive we have had all year. We rarely ran the ball, but we spread it around, we had Banks on the field for most of the plays. This clearly threw the D off. So obv we need to see more Banks.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

CP: Yeah, we waz cuttin an eye on a couple ah shorties back in Miami -- at the U.

So Labron sez to me, "No wayz you can handle dat one. She mo woman than you can hang wif, expessally wif you only havin one nut an all."

So I sez, "Yo mama!"

Then he gets all hateful an' stuff, saying, "Like... you too, Dude?"

(SNARE DRUM: Ba, ba, boom)

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Also....

What is Shanny scared of? These bamas can't practice in the rain? They've been practicing in the rain irregardless forever before he came to coach the team........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 3:29 PM |

You seem to use the term "irregardless" a lot. Do you even realize that it's not an actual word?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

4th, I guess Zorn packed up all his fancy practice field canopies when he left town... so sad to lose an innovator like him.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You seem to use the term "irregardless" a lot. Do you even realize that it's not an actual word?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:41 PM

Well it is a word if you BELIEVE it is a word.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

(SNARE DRUM: Ba, ba, boom)

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:35 PM

Vic--There's a name for the disease you suffer from, Witzelsucht.

Witzelsucht is a brain dysfunction that causes all sorts of compulsive silliness: bad jokes, corny puns, wacky behavior. It's also sometimes called the "joking disease," and as Taiwanese researchers phrased it in a 2005 report, it's a "tendency to tell inappropriate and poor jokes."

You should see if your health insurance, or Obama care, would pay for treatment. Good luck!

Posted by: beep-beep | December 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I can honestly say that imo the opening drive last week was the best drive we have had all year. We rarely ran the ball, but we spread it around, we had Banks on the field for most of the plays. This clearly threw the D off. So obv we need to see more Banks.

Posted by: Stu27 | December 1, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Even if he's just used as a decoy, the defense thinks something funny is going to happen with him out there.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe these guys can't practice in the rain. what a joke.

Posted by: kingrob76 | December 1, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I know MS has made statements to the contrary, but do you really think this year is anything but a rebuilding year?

***Copros will spoil your weekend Zeke!***

Posted by: _Stumped_ | December 1, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

You seem to use the term "irregardless" a lot. Do you even realize that it's not an actual word?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:41 PM

Well it is a word if you BELIEVE it is a word.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 3:45 PM |

That's like saying Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are real because some kid thinks they are. Guess we better start checking our closets for the Boogey Man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Okay, zeke, I read you loud and clear, but assuming Dan Snyder came to see things the way you do, do you really think it would be possible for him to have a conversation with Mike Shanahan and convince him to step out of the head coaching role?

I ask because I don't think Shanahan would ever suggest such a move or see it as necessary on his own... and because there's only one guy above him in the organization.

And I don't believe Shanahan would take kindly to the suggestion that it was time for him to get off the sideline. Even if the empirical evidence -- play on the field -- indicates that's the case.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

I don't see it happening, its my recommendation.

If it does have any chance, I think Snyder has to sell it right. He has to get agreement on 2 basic things. First, that Shanahan is spread too thin and that hiring Harbaugh is good for the Skins and very importantly, good for Kyle. My guess is that if Snyder presses hard on Shanahan to give up one role, he'd give up the HC gig and keep the team president gig.

I know I've been hard on Shanahan as an exec, but I think he he'd do better if he can do 1 job instead of 4.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

That's like saying Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy are real because some kid thinks they are.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:48 PM

Careful scamp...you're going to upset hessone!

BTW that was a George Costanza reference there..."it's not a lie if you believe it" haha

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

scamp, deep breath, buddy... I believe 4th Floor is well aware that he's tweaking the language Nazis when he posts the non-word "irregardless".

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks beep -- It's always nice to be properly diagnosed and treated.

Mama always said I was a bit special -- and this one seems rather rare and unique, indeed -- and eminently preferable to your more common obsessive-compulsive disorder which seems aimed at keeping this blog free of "unsavory" characters and opinions, misspelled words and bad grammar.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

***Copros will spoil your weekend Zeke!***

Posted by: _Stumped_

You probably will. That darn tie game kept me from clinching a bye. AZ gets 203 yards of offense ... 199 and I get the win and this weekend's game is irrelevant to me. But now ... ugh!! Having a Sidney Rice/Vincent Jackson WR combo for this part of the year seemed a good idea at the time ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

and eminently preferable to your more common obsessive-compulsive disorder which seems aimed at keeping this blog free of "unsavory" characters and opinions, misspelled words and bad grammar.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 1, 2010 3:58 PM

That disease is commonly known as Assholism.

Posted by: PlayAction | December 1, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post... move it one over...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 1, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You seem to use the term "irregardless" a lot. Do you even realize that it's not an actual word?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | December 1, 2010 3:41 PM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/info/newwords09.htm

Come on Son.......Look at these list of words that were finally acknowledged as words in 2009 and tell me they weren't widely accepted before 2009....

You know what I mean, so it's a word....

@Nate - Well Gibbs seemed to do fine before Zorn came in and left with those "practice field canopies".....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 1, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Thought it said "Laron Landry Placed on IR" which would be a very deadskins headline indeed.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse


4th and scamp,

Irregardless is considered nonstandard because of the two negative elements ir- and -less. It was probably formed on the analogy of such words as irrespective, irrelevant, and irreparable. Those who use it, including on occasion educated speakers, may do so from a desire to add emphasis. Irregardless first appeared in the early 20th century and was perhaps popularized by its use in a comic radio program of the 1930s.


Posted by: hessone | December 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

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