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Redskins gave up a big play at the wrong time

Late last week, strong safety LaRon Landry said the Redskins would be fine defensively against the Indianapolis Colts as long as they did not give up any big plays.

Early in the first quarter, quarterback Petyon Manning and wide receiver Pierre Garcon teamed on a 57-yard touchdown pass. Cornerback DeAngelo Hall blew the coverage on the big play that occurred immediately after a pass by Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb was intercepted. The long Manning-Garcon touchdown was among the keys to the Colts' 27-24 victory.

"That's what happened," Landry said Monday in the locker room at Redskins Park. "Like I said, going into this game, we can't give up anything big. That's what we did. That's what we didn't do on defense. We gave up a big play."

The Redskins were in a version of cover-4, splitting the field into quarters. Manning gave a shoulder fake, which briefly froze Hall, and Garcon sprinted down the right side. Quickly realizing what was happening, Landry helped Hall chase Garcon, but it was too late because Manning, again, made a perfect pass.

The Colts ran a two-minute offense, which Manning has mastered, for most of the game, and it was a big problem for the Redskins' defense. Manning passed for 307 yards and two touchdowns and the Colts amassed 469 yards in total net yards, averaging 6.9 yards per offensive play.

"It seemed like he was running a two-minute offense the whole game," Landry said. "He was just picking us apart with underneath passes, and finding the holes in the defense all game."

With the Redskins in dime packages most of the game, Colts running back Joseph Addai also rushed for 128 yards (he had a 7.5-yard average) and a touchdown. Addai, who left the game early in the fourth because of a shoulder injury and did not return, had a long gain of 46 yards.

"When we started playing for the pass, they'll hit ya with the run," Landry said. "It was pretty much frustrating, man."

The Redskins tried to disguise their defenses as long as they could against Manning, who is second to none among quarterbacks at reading defenses, "but he held the damn game clock up until like five seconds," Landry said. "Of course, you've got to come out of your disguise at some point. You can't disguise the whole game, 'cause you'll disguise yourself right outta coverage. I mean, he's a great quarterback."

By Jason Reid  | October 18, 2010; 12:53 PM ET
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Love it when fubbal-related things are flying fast and furious up here.

Hail to the Redskins, and hail to the blog!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

What happened to all the goodwill extended to Prince Al after his brother's untimely death?

The same folks who thought he shouldn't played against the packers are aping that he missed the colts' game.

Just goes to show you the power of a loss.

The team's, not AH's.

Had we beat the colts in his absence, folks wouldn't have jack to say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 12:55 PM

Um, my comment was in response to what his teammates said. They said he could've helped. He apparently was chomping at the bit to get back out there. But the coach decided to deactivate him because he missed practice on Wednesday.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I guess we saw the same thing they did.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Though it stinks we lost, that the best of the best and its encouraging that we made it a game and fought. That being said, we have 2 winable games on the road against NFC opponents. These are must win games. 5-3 into the bye would set up a huge game against Philly back home. I hope they play lights out the next 2 weeks.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins gave up a big play at the wrong time"

When are the good times to give up a big play? I supposed when the game's already out of reach, one way or the other.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

D'Angelo Hall blew coverage? What a shocker. If D'Angelo Hall could cover like Carlos Rogers, he'd be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I realize the Colts have a great offense, and it's difficult to play against their hurryup package. But other teams are able to. We didn't even slow them down for most of the game. If you're going to play dime sub packages, you at least have to cover, which we didn't do. It wasn't like Manning was making Brett Favre throws into impossible coverage. Most of his receivers were wide open.

At some point as a coach, you have to realize the game plan is not only not working but is a disaster. We never seem to have a Plan B.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Of course, you've got to come out of your disguise at some point. You can't disguise the whole game, 'cause you'll disguise yourself right outta coverage. I mean, he's a great quarterback."


Bingo!

That's why Haslett's dumb-arsed gimmicks were bound to backfire.

If you want to disrupt Manning, then get your studs down in a 3-point stance and shove his Oline right back into his face.

Instead the gameplan was to have AH eat crabcakes in the owner's box while Carter, Holliday and Golston play ring-around-the-rosy hoping Manning will get confused.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

D'Angelo Hall blew coverage? What a shocker. If D'Angelo Hall could cover like Carlos Rogers, he'd be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM

And if Carlos Rogers could hang onto his INTs like D'Angelo Hall, HE'D be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Just a question, how many A gap blitzes is Lichtensteiger going to give up? If I am an opposing D coordinator, I run those all game long.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow. From PFT

"Former NFL linebacker Junior Seau, who was arrested early this morning on domestic violence charge, is reportedly hospitalized after driving his SUV off a cliff."

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Play the mofo (AH), or get rid of him. This is just mind-boggling."


What happened to all the goodwill extended to Prince Al after his brother's untimely death?

The same folks who thought he shouldn't played against the packers are aping that he missed the colts' game.

Just goes to show you the power of a loss.

The team's, not AH's.

Had we beat the colts in his absence, folks wouldn't have jack to say.


Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hmm... sounds like a big percentage of fans are doubtful that Albert Haynesworth would've helped against the Colts.

I, for one, think we would've benefited from his little trick of acting like he's hurt when he's simply winded. As long as it's not against the rules -- and it isn't, as far as I know -- and not within the last two minutes of a half, it stops the clock and breaks the offense's momentum.

I keep reading that opponents have been doing this to the Oregon Ducks' offense, again, since it's not against the rules. Simple gamesmanship.

Just a thought... mostly tongue in cheek, but I do think we're a better team with Albert on the field than without him.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen a softer fullback than Sellers in my 10+ decades of watching football.

Posted by: shuckandjive | October 18, 2010 12:46 PM |

You've been watching football for over 100 years?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 12:58 PM

That almost has beep-beep beat.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The Colts are who they thought they were.

PS- What's up with the AMOEBA defensive formation? Thats what CC and Al Michaels were calling it last night. Seen it before in their other games, just never noticed how "amoeba" like it really looks. LB's & D-lineman kind of just floating around, too bad it didn't really phase Peyton, at all.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | October 18, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The Colts simply have the best built offense in football. Nobody else can keep a single personnel grouping out there for an entire drive that threatens the entire field from endzone to endzone, sideline to sideline, running game or passing game on any given play. When they're executing, it's scary to watch.

A lot is made of Manning (as it should), but their receivers are equally as impressive. They read coverages on the fly just as quickly as Manning does, and it's a large part of how they're so successful against any defense. I saw at least 5 plays where McNabb had nowhere to go with the ball; I don't think there was a single time Manning felt that way. He might have underestimated a coverage, overthrown a pass, or been stripped by outside pressure, but it never looked like Manning felt like all his options were covered on a play. That's a beautiful thing to watch.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

D'Angelo Hall blew coverage? What a shocker. If D'Angelo Hall could cover like Carlos Rogers, he'd be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse


The Skins were in Cover 4 - which splits the field into 4 quarters for pass coverage - which means Hall had the outside/sideline quarter of the field.

The shoulder fake kept Hall in his quarter, preventing him from drifting inside - which left Landry alone to defend his inside quarter.

By the time Landry realized what was happening the pass was over his head and he couldn't recover.

Bad break for Landry. Not Hall's fault.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse


D'Angelo Hall blew coverage? What a shocker. If D'Angelo Hall could cover like Carlos Rogers, he'd be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM |

sorry barno, but neither CR22 nor DH23 will make it to the HOF

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

'MistaMoe'...apparently you missed my re-post. I was responding to his teammates' assertion that he could've helped. He wanted to play. The coach deactivated AH, ostensibly because he missed practice on Wednesday.

Or are just taking umbrage at my use of "mofo"?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 18, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

At some point as a coach, you have to realize the game plan is not only not working but is a disaster. We never seem to have a Plan B.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Kind of like the St.Louis game.

Hey this strategy isn't working! Let's see how long it keeps not working!

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

so, beep beep already

BUT -- I am not telling anyone what they should do. Just advising them on their options. If you don't like my advice, don't read this post.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 1:16 PM |

How would we know then to not read your post unless of course we read not to read your post in..um...your post?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"LB's & D-lineman kind of just floating around, too bad it didn't really phase Peyton, at all."

Thing is, Hazlett ran that scheme like Manning hadn't seen it before.

And once the colts went into the hurry up, I think the base 3-4 package with my best players is the best reponse.

Sometimes you can beat yourself by trying to be just too smart and clever.

Even Wyle E. Coyote knows that's a bad way to catch an opponent.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

And if Carlos Rogers could hang onto his INTs like D'Angelo Hall, HE'D be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 1:08 PM

Synergy! Two mediocre corners combined makes one hall of famer.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The Colts simply have the best built offense in football.

Posted by: psps23

Agreed and not only that,we dont get to see the games best QB's (Manning,Brady)but once every few years.When those guys are on like Mnning was last night its almost like Ehlo vs. Jordan for the last shot,no matter what you do it aint gonna matter.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Bingo!

That's why Haslett's dumb-arsed gimmicks were bound to backfire.

If you want to disrupt Manning, then get your studs down in a 3-point stance and shove his Oline right back into his face.

Instead the gameplan was to have AH eat crabcakes in the owner's box while Carter, Holliday and Golston play ring-around-the-rosy hoping Manning will get confused.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought moving the lineman around like that was SOP for beating the Colts. See Pittsburgh. What exposed the Redskins was that they don't have Pitt. type talent in the front 7.

The idea isn't to trick Manning, because that is not going to happen. The idea was to confuse his lineman to create pressure.

Give the Colts some credit. If it was as simple as you make it sound, the Colts wouldn't have been a 10+ win team for as long as they have.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Hall, "I'm covering the other teams best WR from here on out"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

PS- What's up with the AMOEBA defensive formation? Thats what CC and Al Michaels were calling it last night. Seen it before in their other games, just never noticed how "amoeba" like it really looks. LB's & D-lineman kind of just floating around, too bad it didn't really phase Peyton, at all.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse

i prefer the term ECTOPLASM defense, cuz it can slime you. The Colts just played some really good Ghostbusters offense. The Giants tried the same d formations a few weeks back, and they also got gashed by the run. With the Colts, you just have to pick your poison.

I will say this, though: why can't our CBs press the WRs and challenge them more at the LOS? The most brilliant stop came from LL and PC when they were right on the receivers and forced a 3 and out.

Posted by: pgugino | October 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I realize the Colts have a great offense, and it's difficult to play against their hurryup package. But other teams are able to.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Who is able to? Here is their record last 5 years:

14-2 (Super Bowl L)
12-4
13-3
12-4 (SuperBowl W)
14-2

Who are all these teams that know how to slow them down? Answer: Nobody, it's a top 3 franchise in the league since Manning took the reigns. Better road record than all but 1 team's HOME record since god knows when.

WTF did this assessment of your come from?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | October 18, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"I realize the Colts have a great offense, and it's difficult to play against their hurryup package. But other teams are able to...At some point as a coach, you have to realize the game plan is not only not working but is a disaster. We never seem to have a Plan B.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | October 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse"

A disaster?

We forced Manning into 4 potential interceptions. We also had a sack-fumble. It's not the gameplan's fault our DBs didn't capitalize on balls hitting them in stride.

Far from a disaster. And not many teams are able to play against that hurry-up. Of their six opponents thus far, only KC managed to slow down Manning. HOU, NYG, JAC, and DEN all got torched by Manning.

No, our defensive gameplan was fine. We just didn't capitalize on the opportunities. We played him far better than any opponent outside of Kansas City.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hall, "I'm covering the other teams best WR from here on out"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 1:27 PM |

...Then he gets straight owned by the Colts' #3 WR.

Top freaking notch Arseneo Hall, top freaking notch.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | October 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I am here to talk football. I'm just not on the opti-bus. I question shannahan as a personnel man. I think he brought in a bunch of old duds.

He's trying to sell that he doesn't need Hayney. I totally disagree.

What was the whole LJ Willie Parker thing about?

Why didn't bidwell or gano have competition in camp?

Lichtensteiger? Really?

Trading picks for big splash McNabb made us off season champs, but then what?

The 3-4? Not sure about that one either.

Devin Thomas? They could have cut Logan Paulsen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse


I understand your frustrations brainiac, I do. I want the Redskins to win as bad as anyone, but in your case I think you either:
1. Expect too much to get done in one offseason.

OR

2. It doesn't really matter who we picked up this year, you would still find a way to b*tch and complain.

Only so much can be done in 1 offseason. Vinny and Co. really screwed this team and it's gonna take time.

Like it or not, McNabb is a major improvement to the 'old soupster'. Torain and KWilliams could be developed into our starter/3rd down backs respectively. Young will probably take over for Sellers next year at FB. AA is making strides as a starter. Trent Williams held his own against a dominating DE last night, even after being out cause of an injury! In fact, the whole OLine is better, not perfect, but much improved! Gano, Sundberg, Smith, Banks, Sellers and Alexander are having good years for Special Teams. Carriker is a solid young starter at DE. Our future ILB's are here with Riley and Henson.

The 3-4 will be better next year with players getting better at it AND more pieces plugged in.

By the way, Gano DID have competition in camp. Rayner was here kicking with him for weeks, but they decided to go with Gano.

I know we're still a little ways to go, but you make it sound like we are hopeless and in last place.

I for one am aboard the Optimistic Bus, but can still complain here and there about the organization for messing up. Staying positive and supporting your team doesn't mean you have to agree with EVERYTHING they do, but you kind of take it to extremes.

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Peyton doesn't get confused/gittery with stupid gimmicks like that."

"That's why I fault Haslett and his dumba$$ gameplan that backfired totally. Did he think Manning was going to freak out b/c Holliday, Carter and Golston are playing ring around the rosy?"

If Manning wasn't the slightest bit confused, at least initialy, then why was he throwing the ball at our guys like nobody's business in the first quarter-plus of the game? The problem wasn't the game plan, it was with the 'Skins' execution of that plan. By my count, the D should have had four picks. That would have made the game plan, and the game itself, look a lot better from a 'Skins' perspective.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

4-12

I missed the repost.

And I don't agree with the players as it seemed to me, the colts took the skins D very seriously.

The colts went into the 2 minute offense and ran it in a very planned way:

--they threw to the edges of the defense

--they threw to where ever LL was faking a blitz from

--they ran draws before the defense could get set

--they never let Hazlett's substitution pattern evolve, and thus, after the redskin defensive linemen became winded, began running the ball more

How AH interrupts all of that is a mystery to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The idea isn't to trick Manning, because that is not going to happen. The idea was to confuse his lineman to create pressure

the problem was that the first 10 times it didn't work....then the 2nd ten times it didn't work.nor the 3rd, of 4th...there needed to be SOME/ANY kind of adjustment....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

While the defense did take a beating I say that this loss is on the offense.

The D made the plays when they had to and the offense simply couldn't capitalize.

Posted by: rupertpupkin | October 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Waiting look at the 2 teams they've lost to this year(Hou & Jax)division opponents.They see Indy ALL the time.There are certain things that they know wont work against Indy because of game experience,not game film.

Posted by: smittdiddy | October 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Probability theory and the law of averages suggests CR22 will intercept approximately 96% of all passes thrown within 10 yards of him over the next 5 years to return within 3-sigma of the Gaussian curve.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"While the defense did take a beating I say that this loss is on the offense....The D made the plays when they had to and the offense simply couldn't capitalize..."


In other words, same ol' same ol'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

i know there's no official stat like this, but i'd be curious to see how many opposing players we've knocked out of games this year...seems like every game we're putting the pounding on someone from the opposing team....vick, finley, addai, etc....bet we're leading the lead in most knocked out players

Posted by: altarkenton | October 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

When Manning audibled into a middle run right through the "amoeba" defense, someone should have called time out and gotten the correct package in the game.

That D is OK against the pass, but sux against the run. The rams killed us by running every time we went amoeba.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 18, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"He's a great football player. You're not going to go out and trick him," Haslett said. "You're not going to go out and try to disguise. He's seen it all, he's done it all. We got to hope that he's having a bad day and we're having a good day and things click for us, and try to slow him down if you can."

By Rick Maese | October 16, 2010; 6:08 AM ET

That was posted on Saturday when a few people were enjoying the beautiful fall weather. So that was Haslett's strategy:

"We got to hope that he's having a bad day and we're having a good day and things click for us, and try to slow him down if you can."

Hope! Personally, I think it mostly worked. The D kept the 'Skins in the game until the last play and another yard on that pass would have won the game. If Rogers and Moore had done their part with the INTS we would have won. If Gano had hit his FG, we would have had OT with a worn down Indy D. And if pigs had wings....

Posted by: beep-beep | October 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"the problem was that the first 10 times it didn't work....then the 2nd ten times it didn't work.nor the 3rd, of 4th...there needed to be SOME/ANY kind of adjustment....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse"

It didn't? I could have sworn we forced 3 and outs on two of their first three drives. And at least 2 more EASY interceptions, with 2 more difficult ones as well. And Orakpo got a strip/sack, and Alexander prevented an easy TD pass with pressure.

The gameplan was fine. The execution hampered us.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I just read that the Raiders are shopping their whole team, and they are strongly considering a trade including Nnamdi Ashmoga. How about Albert Haynsworth and Carlos for Nnamdi? Also, I saw that Shawn Rogers DT of the Browns may be shopped as well...But I keep hearing people say that V Jackson may be shopped for less comp...

Posted by: roccoskins | October 18, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"Peyton doesn't get confused/gittery with stupid gimmicks like that."

"That's why I fault Haslett and his dumba$$ gameplan that backfired totally. Did he think Manning was going to freak out b/c Holliday, Carter and Golston are playing ring around the rosy?"

If Manning wasn't the slightest bit confused, at least initialy, then why was he throwing the ball at our guys like nobody's business in the first quarter-plus of the game? The problem wasn't the game plan, it was with the 'Skins' execution of that plan. By my count, the D should have had four picks. That would have made the game plan, and the game itself, look a lot better from a 'Skins' perspective.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | October 18, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse


He was throwing the ball at his guys and they were covered or he was missing them.

That's different from "being confused" by the coverage.

Like you said it was the 1st quarter and Peyton had not found his rhythm. He threw a couple gimmes out there and we couldn't take advantage. Too bad for us.

The effectiveness of a gameplan is measured over the course of a game - Are you able to get an offense out of doing the things it likes to do? Are you able to shut down certain key players? Are you getting 3-outs or dictating tempo?

The answer to all those questions were: No. No. No.

Having certain individuals step up and make a play/cause a turnover (or NOT step up and make a play as in Rogers and Moore's case) has more to do with the individual player, less with the overall gameplan.

For instance, there was nothing "gameplanned" about having Orakpo beat his guy around the corner for the strip-sack, or having Fletch crush Addai and force a fumble.

Those are just individuals making plays despite the bad gameplan, and those were the only things keeping the Colts from posting 40 points because we couldn;t stop them otherwise.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Bad break for Landry. Not Hall's fault.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

neither were Dhalls missed tackles, really nothing is ever Dhalls fault. But boy oh boy that Rogers cant catch...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

After the game and my frustrations with the team all stated above by others I amleft with one impression:

Donovan McNabb is an asset. After watching last night, the success of this season is all about McNabb. The last two series notwithstanding, the guy made great plays last night - and no one has mentioned a few of the drops our recievers had. The Colts have been good and have a great team. we played well with them but there is still a ways to go for this years team to be successful. McNabb needs Dockery available or in the game rotation. The D needs AH - and hands. and Anthony Armstrong ain't Charlie Brown - yet. But we're ok at starting QB this year. He made a couple of unbelievable plays last night. If he had the same level of execution around him on offense that Manning got from his team (everyone who dropped a pass had a big catch a few plays later it seemed) the we could go far this year. Don't get me wrong, Manning was great (up until the last 3 out)...but so was Donovan when he did not have to contend with others' mistakes and missed assignments. And sometimes even when he had to.

Up until last night I still hated the trade (mainly b/c of the lack of a lt deal but if they fix that than I am all for it). Now I'm a fan of it - but they gotta get a few more years out of him.

Regards -

-hgr

Posted by: HughGRection | October 18, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The gameplan was fine. The execution hampered us.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse


WTH does that mean? That sounds like Zorn telling us over and over again that the "scheme" works, we just have to trust it.

If the execution is failing over the course of the game, then maybe the problem is that the plan sucks, right?

By your logic, I could tell DeAngelo Hall to play NT and fight through the double team to put pressure on the QB...if it's not successful, well, the problem was that he couldn't "execute".

The Skins had a couple 3-outs in the first quarter; then Peyton found his rhythm and the next 3-out we got was toward the end of the 4th quarter with Colts in "play-tight-and-nurse-the-lead" mode.

Orakpo's strip sack was not "gameplanned"; it was just a great individual play, like the other turnovers.

Seriously - the Colts had almost 500 yards of offense; Manning threw for 300+/2TDs and a 108 rating; Addai and Co had a career day with 170 on the ground and 6ypc; the Colts offense dictated tempo all game; and the Skins NEVER had a lead.

Some gameplan...

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse


neither were Dhalls missed tackles, really nothing is ever Dhalls fault. But boy oh boy that Rogers cant catch...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 1:41 PM |

...and if AH had been in the lineup we would've won the game...right

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

For instance, there was nothing "gameplanned" about having Orakpo beat his guy around the corner for the strip-sack, or having Fletch crush Addai and force a fumble.

???
Osackpo beasting out from the edge and Fletch killing the run up the middle are pretty much our entire gameplan...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I just read that the Raiders are shopping their whole team

Posted by: roccoskins | October 18, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I'd rather keep the ham sandwich

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Bad break for Landry. Not Hall's fault.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

neither were Dhalls missed tackles, really nothing is ever Dhalls fault. But boy oh boy that Rogers cant catch...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse


When something is Hall's fault, I'm happy to talk about it.

The fact of the matter is that Landry was responsible for the covering the deep zone where Peyton threw the ball and Garcon caught it for a TD.

If that annoys you, then deal with it.

And you're right. Rogers can't catch...or is that also on Hall?

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


I just read that the Raiders are shopping their whole team

Posted by: roccoskins | October 18, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

oh, pabrian will be happy to know we can get JCambpell back

FEED-FEED-FEED

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

D'Angelo Hall blew coverage? What a shocker. If D'Angelo Hall could cover like Carlos Rogers, he'd be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:03 PM

And if Carlos Rogers could hang onto his INTs like D'Angelo Hall, HE'D be a Hall of Famer.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Yep.

Posted by: Barno1 | October 18, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

For instance, there was nothing "gameplanned" about having Orakpo beat his guy around the corner for the strip-sack, or having Fletch crush Addai and force a fumble.

???
Osackpo beasting out from the edge and Fletch killing the run up the middle are pretty much our entire gameplan...

Posted by: Stu27 | October 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse


Really?

Lining up Fletch as MLB and Orakpo as a pass rusher is the ENTIRE gameplan, eh?

Well Shanny is a big sucker, b/c I'll put together that gameplan for half the salary Haslett's asking for...

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"WTH does that mean? That sounds like Zorn telling us over and over again that the "scheme" works, we just have to trust it.

Posted by: p1funk | October 18, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse"

It's not even close to the same thing.

Zorn saying the scheme was fine when Santana Moss is double covered, Chris Cooley is being draped by a safety, and Campbell is being battered like a rag doll was utter delusion.

Baiting Manning into throwing to a blanketed Collie is a result of the gameplan. Keeping Moore over the top when Manning looks to hit Collie over the top is a result of the gameplan. Isolating Orakpo 1 v 1 in a pass rush against their weakest pass-protecting lineman is a result of the gameplan.

I'm not going to say our gameplan was genius or perfect because it wasn't. But it was also far from "disastrous." We held them to 30% (3 for 10) on third down. We forced three 3 & outs, which is better than most teams playing a Manning led offense. We forced 3 turnovers, should have had 2 more easily, and could have had 7 total if firing on all cylinders. Despite McNabb playing very mediocre, our defense allowed our offense to run more plays than the Colts and have a greater TOP (though a lot of this credit goes to Torain as well).

"If the execution is failing over the course of the game, then maybe the problem is that the plan sucks, right?"

If your defense can't hold onto soft interceptions that hit you in the chest, no gameplan is going to be successful against this offense. They're too good, too diverse, and too multi-talented. Haslett can only put the players in position to make plays; he can't catch the ball for them. I don't have a problem with how he played this defense.

Posted by: psps23 | October 18, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

People who drop soft interceptions = NERDS!

Posted by: monk811 | October 18, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse


beep peeps

Posted by: hessone | October 18, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Gotta expect big plays. That's not what killed us. What killed us was Gano miss wide right on the field goal. What killed us was Kareem Moore's INT miss in his chest because the Colts scored on that drive. Nice to prevent against big plays but Manning is going to get his. What we cannot do is miss a field goal and drop an INT. I don't want to sound complacent and satisfied with what the team is doing now but the important thing is we are competitive and I think we're going to get better. Go Skins.

Posted by: getitritegov | October 18, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, we lost by 3 points. Last year it would have been by 35. Progress. They played hard, they didnt quit. I personally got soooo sick of watching overpaid loosers quit in the middle of every game last year. Dont see these guys quiting at all... just saw them being out matched by some better players at times. i think/hope they will keep getting better under shanny.

Posted by: jacksonalex | October 19, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

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