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Larry Johnson hits his groove

It was sort of like old times for Larry Johnson.
There he was again, late in the fourth quarter of another undecided game with the football in his hands and eager to pound the defense. The Kansas City Chiefs used to rely on the powerful runner to help control the clock and seal victories late, and the Redskins turned to Johnson down the stretch Friday night in a 16-11 victory over the New York Jets at New Meadowlands Stadium.
After a disappointing outing in his "showcase" game last week, Johnson rushed for a team-high 42 yards on nine carries (a 4.7-yard average) and scored the go-ahead touchdown on a 15-yard pass from third-string quarterback Richard Bartel. The two-time Pro Bowler's 18-yard rush was the Redskins' longest run from scrimmage in three preseason games.
Johnson outperformed Willie Parker, who gained only 16 yards on eight rushes during his game to start in the running back rotation. Although Johnson has been listed ahead of Parker since the opening depth chart was released, he may have widened his lead in the race to earn a spot on the 53-man roster and serve as Clinton Portis's primary backup this season.
Of course, Parker faced the Jets' first-string defense, and Johnson, for the most part, competed against reserves. But that did not matter to Johnson, who said it felt good to finally get in a groove.
"That's a little bit more my [style]," Johnson said. "It's just to keep grinding and playing and playing and waiting for the big one to happen. After a while, you wear 'em down. You get four, five [yards] and get the big ones late in the game. That's kind of always been [style]. You've got to keep working, keep working.
"You know, 10-, 30-, 40-yard breakers ain't gonna happen just like that. [Parker], that's the type of back he is. He can hit it from anywhere. Me, I like to wear 'em down. You wear 'em down long enough, the big ones come. And they'll come when you really need it, which is in the fourth quarter."
Apparently, Coach Mike Shanahan tweaked plans to open the door for Johnson to do more. Johnson did the rest.
"I wasn't really even supposed to even play tonight," Johnson said. "[Shanahan] wanted to look at some of the other young guys. I didn't want to take anything away from them, but I always wanted to work with people as far as being in the game, feeling game situations and being able to run the ball more than one or two times. It felt good to go out there and continuously keep pounding and pounding.
"It felt good 'cause you could take a little bit of that leadership role [with reserves and young players in the game]. ... You feel that momentum, and you get excited about being in there. I didn't care what defense was in there. I didn't care it was fourth quarter or overtime. I wanted to play. It was good to be out there with those guys and be able to get a win."

By Jason Reid  |  August 28, 2010; 2:00 PM ET
Categories:  Larry Johnson , Running backs  
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Posted by: BMACattack | August 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Any update on Portalia's ankle?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW - I'm so.o impressed ! They dont call its garbage time for nothing.

besides LJ, I did think we looked pretty good against the might Jets. I'm less worried about sexy Rexy taking the reigns if ( and when ) Donovan goes down.

Posted by: US-conscience | August 28, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

this "I'm keeping DT out so other guys can get reps" explanation doesn't make any sense.

If you are trying to get your bubble guys time on the field, then why did santana moss play at all? I can see that moss plays with the first team and dt with the third (given room to play on the third team because of the glut of receivers, which doesn't exist on the first, makes it harder), but dt has to be on the bubble still considering he has looked terrible so far, why not play him?

Either we are not getting a full explanation of dt's status with the team, or DT isn't being considered to be cut by tuesday and other players are being examined to see who we should be rid of.

I must admit, my patience with the dt situation is wearing thin. I almost feel I am less upset with Mk right now with his injury, than with dt's lack of noticeable progress while healthy.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, it's hard to find too much to criticize there.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 1:46 PM

Did you watch the game? If so you would be critical about the play of the FS position (minus Carter).

Here's another criticism...Love Joey T, hate him as an announcer. He's soooo positive it makes IH8Dallas seem negative. Even on the brutal Rex fumble in the end zone, he called the play by Rex, "GREAT!" Where's Lawrence Taylor when you need him

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Anybody? Anybody? Portis update? Anybody?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, no update. MRI scheduled.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan revealed that Clinton Portis suffered a sprained ankle in the team's preseason win over the Jets Friday.

This explains why he had one carry. Shanahan says the severity is unknown, so the Skins are probably giving Portis an MRI. Even if the sprain is not significant, this is a reminder that Portis is a poor bet to stay healthy entering his age-29 season. Among active players, only LaDainian Tomlinson, Fred Taylor, and Thomas Jones have more carries than Portis' 2,176.

Source: Rich Campbell on Twitter

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44

Joe Theisman understands the game and isn't always revoltingly positive, Jurgenson is worse as this goes. Didn't he slam AH and snyder recently on his radio show? Even when he is the commentator, I remember him saying in the Buffalo game that the skins seem to be getting "lucky bounces" and the bill seem "flat footed."
In preseason when he is working for the redskins he might be a little more upbeat and optimistic, but I'd rather have him than most others.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 2:43 PM

You are so right about this. Very insightful.

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise | August 28, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

monkeymayo-

DT's on the team. I'll take MS's comment at face value. He knows he has an extemely talented WR in DT that lacks work ethic (not talking about the gym), maturity, and polish. He's a guy that just hasn't gotten "it" yet.

He wanted to get a better idea of what he has in Armstrong, Galloway, Williams, Austin, & Banks.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"Did you watch the game? If so you would be critical about the play of the FS position (minus Carter). posted by Diesel44"

Oh, you reprinted this one. Well, I did watch the game, I thought the FS play was pretty decent, and I believe the numbers support that conclusion.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 2:43 PM

You are so right about this. Very insightful.

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise

y thank you. I like that stylish and grammatically correct "n" mr. monkey.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"this "I'm keeping DT out so other guys can get reps" explanation doesn't make any sense."

Sure it does, assuming the coaches are trying to make a decision on a couple WRs who are fighting for the last spot on the roster, and want to give them a fair shot. Thomas can get a little game time on special teams. Next week, when the roster decisions are all but made, he can play as much as they want him to.

I don't see how they cut him. Even if they change their minds later, that guy will have some trade value.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh, you reprinted this one. Well, I did watch the game, I thought the FS play was pretty decent, and I believe the numbers support that conclusion.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 3:04 PM

Did you miss the long run by LT? If so you may have seen 37 "run" and fill the wrong hole only to slip and have LT run right where he should have been.

Samson, you're the only guy I've heard praise the play of the FS position. FS along with OLB, WR, & NT are our biggest weaknesses.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Let me clarify re bringing something to eat or drink :

Dude: Hey, you and the wife come to my house Sunday for the game. (The X and X and X's) are all coming over. I'm gonna fire the grill at 11:00

Me: Sounds good. What can we bring?

Dude: I'm gonna be cooking burgers and brats/sausages. Maybe some pasta or some kind of vegetable?

Me: Ok, wife will make pasta salad.

Of course, this presumes its not a bunch of young twenty something single guys looking to slam 2 burgers, 5 hot sausages, some chips, and an 18 pack over the course of ten hours of football. Not that there is anything wrong with that, and i've got some of those t shirts in the back of my drawer. I just rarely wear them anymore.

And for the completely cynical at heart: If you notice, I bring pasta that the wife cooked, and dude cooks burgers and brats. Having the wife make pasta salad makes me a good guest and scores another invite.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 28, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 2:43 PM

You are so right about this. Very insightful.

Posted by: monkeymayonnaise

I watched the game, and what most people saw of the 'skins free safety play was an approx. 8 yard pass reception on a slant route in a cover two man defense. It sort of looked like doughty could have broken up the play, but im not sure what his responsibilities were or where he was looking before Dirty sanchez threw the ball. Doughty ain't fast; you aren't going to get Ed Reed sort of coverage from him.
It is worth noting however, that the first team D gave up very few pass plays and that the secondary played well.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

. About Haynesworth:

*That said, I wonder if the defense might be better off with Haynesworth at nose tackle instead of right end. NT Ma’ake Kemoeatu was pushed back too frequently tonight. A player needs to anchor at that position, and Kemoeatu far too often hasn’t seemed up to the task.

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I don't think Kemo is all the way back from his injury. He gets pushed back a bit more than you'd like from a starting NT. Kemo is probably better playing a support role at this point. The SKins have decent depth at DE and could be better with Haynesworth at NT. IMO AH should be the starter at NT...but...
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2.On the running game:

*One culprit in the run game appeared to be C Casey Rabach. He struggled to sustain blocks on while running laterally. That’s an essential part of the Redskins’ running scheme, and it has to improve.
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The Skins need to find Rabach's replacement by the time the 2011 season starts.
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3. On Brandon Banks:

*PR Brandon Banks hurt his cause tonight with his lost fumble on a punt return. He now has a muff, a fumble and a touchdown this preseason. The knock on him is that he has trouble standing up to contact at 5-7, 150, and he wasn’t even popped on the play. He simply was stripped. We saw it last preseason with Anthony Alridge—fumbles trump speed when it comes down to making the final roster. Banks finished the game well with two catches for 35 yards, but it was against third-stringers. Overall, I don’t think anyone hurt their chances of making the team more than Banks did.

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Austin showed me something last night at the WR position. Austin is quick and he has really good vision. Bank's speed is intriguing but he's had two negative plays on special teams. These two are playing for one spot IMO. I still prefer Banks over Austin, but this race is too close to call.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

totally agree on Hayney at NT. I hope he can buy into at least splitting time there.

As for Austin vs. Banks - I think we need to find a spot for both. Armstrong is def on now, and I think he can make a difference this year- strong sleeper potential. Love his attitude and effort.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I think they wanted to give the WRs not named DT, SM, JG a cahnce to run wit hthe ones and see waht they got.

I did not get a chance to see the game, but from the reports, it would seem that Armstrong has clearly made the team. Banks, whose speed is phenomenal, did not do himself any favors with his second punt fumble.

I think Shanny wanted to give thsoe guys a chance to give him a reason and make it "ok" to dump DT11 and in particular MK12. Other than Armstrong, i don't think they made that case.

So, for me its, SM, JG, DT, MK, Armstong, and the a battle between Austin and Banks for the last spot. DT is stupid, and MK is hurt, but their ceiling is just so far above the other guys that they get spots.

Shay Hodge, Roydell Williams, Bobby Wade are not keepers above DT11 and MK12, Austin is a draft pick who picked it up quick after UCLA kept him in class until July 25th, and Banks has that tantalizing game breaking speed factor in the return game. So to me, its down to TA/Banks for the last spot.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | August 28, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the first half replay and all my thoughts have already been summarized on here by others except 1. That is I think Chris Wilson and Perry Riley should be the other OLB opposite Orakpo. Dude's are always around the ball and making tackles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Perry Riley from second half of game which I saw last night by the way...just to clarify.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and if I'm making the call, Keiland Williams is the 2nd string RB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I think we have something in Perry Riley. Nose-for-the-ball baller is my first impression.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think we have something in Perry Riley. Nose-for-the-ball baller is my first impression.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 28, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

agreed. think he is def on the team and may well compete for serious time at OLB.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

check that - ILB for Riley most likely. Maybe the ultimate successor to LFB? ANyone else think Rocky has looked pretty solid this preseason?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

check that - ILB for Riley most likely. Maybe the ultimate successor to LFB? ANyone else think Rocky has looked pretty solid this preseason?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 3:57 PM

I'm pretty sure he's an OLB. Isn't that where he played at LSU?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Blades was in there for a good bit of action at ILB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I see him listed as 2nd string ILB behind Rocky right now...if he played OLB at LSU, could be a versatile backup we could groom to start in a couple yrs. LFB can't sustain this level for much longer IMO...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I see him listed as 2nd string ILB behind Rocky right now...if he played OLB at LSU, could be a versatile backup we could groom to start in a couple yrs. LFB can't sustain this level for much longer IMO...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 4:04 PM |

He was definitely an OLB in college.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

playing in the 4th quarter against guys who may or may not be on a nfl roster can really get your groove back... lj is done!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | August 28, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The guy we were all excited about based on his highlight reel was Morris. But was he even on the field last night? I don't think he'll even be on the practice squad. Bummer.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 28, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

What about getting mankins from the pats and putting hicks at center?

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Did you miss the long run by LT? If so you may have seen 37 "run" and fill the wrong hole only to slip and have LT run right where he should have been.Samson, you're the only guy I've heard praise the play of the FS position. FS along with OLB, WR, & NT are our biggest weaknesses.Posted by: Diesel44"

Shouldn't form an opinion based on one play. Any coach will tell you that. Defense might well have made other mistakes on the same play.

As far as our biggest weaknesses, to this point they appear to be 1) rushing offense, and 2) rushing defense.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

What about getting mankins from the pats and putting hicks at center?

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 4:20 PM

What about saving our picks and building through the draft?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 28, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What about saving our picks and building through the draft?

Posted by: beep-beep | August 28, 2010 4:39 PM

I agree but perhaps there is someone on the skins they would want...The new FO seems to be creative at making trades unlike in the past. Just random thoughts...

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll give LJ his props, he did look good against those 4th stringers.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 28, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

That is I think Chris Wilson and Perry Riley should be the other OLB opposite Orakpo. Dude's are always around the ball and making tackles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Wilson has a year up on both Carter and Alexander. It showed last night. Wilson seems more fluid at OLB than the other two. I don't like Carter as a stand up LB, particularly in passing situations. He's not getting the same pressure on the QB like he did last year. It seems to me that the only players that can get to the QB w/o a blitz now are Rak, Haynesworth, and Holliday.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Saw a pretty cool idea for a diaper today. Redskin's colors/logo on the outside, Cowboy's color/logo on the inside.

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"What about getting mankins from the pats and putting hicks at center?"


Why not just elevate Edwin Williams and let'em play with the starters?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

mack1, are you perusing ratemymeconium.com again?

Posted by: SMACK1 | August 28, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Why not just elevate Edwin Williams and let'em play with the starters?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 5:09 PM

True maybe that will happen, but mankins is a beast and would not hurt if we gave little for him.

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I thought a 2nd rounder was too much for an injury prone QB. That will obviously change if he takes us to the promised land. But I'm pretty sure we have the only backup QB in the league that has STARTED a Super Bowl. That said, at least I won't feel like we don't have a chance (when) McNabb goes down. Parker and Kelly are gone. Maybe we can pick up some depth for the OL when teams start making cuts.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | August 28, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Perry Riley was an OLB at LSU in a 4-3. He is projected to play inside in the 3-4.

Posted by: Rahtard | August 28, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

Agreed. Wilson seems to be the more natural fit at OLB. AC loses all of his athletic ability w/o his hand in the dirt and LO besides being a team first guy hasn't showed me anything.

scamp,LMG- Riley played OLB at LSU but was drafted to play inside. Rocky has exceeded my expectations as a 3-4 ILB. If he can stay healthy, they may sign him to an extension by week 8.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

mack1, are you perusing ratemymeconium.com again?

Posted by: SMACK1 | August 28, 2010 5:11 PM

Awesome Smack. You have the cowboys I have ratemymeconium.com

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Diesel on Rocky. At 27 he's still got some tread on the tires and some vet experience (what, 3-4 yr starter?)...I'd extend him if we can.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | August 28, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"WOW - I'm so.o impressed ! They dont call its garbage time for nothing."

Yeah, I wasn't impressed either.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 28, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Saw a pretty cool idea for a diaper today. Redskin's colors/logo on the outside, Cowboy's color/logo on the inside.

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 4:58 PM |

Um, yes, where can I get these. My 10 month old could sure make a mess of the Cowpukes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone else noticed this but during the coin toss the Jets representatives were: QB Mark Brunell, DE Jason Taylor, and WR Laveranues Coles. Rex Ryan is a fat tub of poo.

Its going to be fun to watch the Jets implode this season. So much hype for a team that was 9-7 and had a bit of luck making it to the AFC championship game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rahtard | August 28, 2010 5:44 PM

DUDE ur so rite GLENN BECK ROXXXX!~

Posted by: rob_in_MD | August 28, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who like to place the occasional bet on a football game, here's an interesting discussion of which NFL teams over and underreport injuries during the season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/which-teams-over-or-under-report-injuries

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who like to place the occasional bet on a football game, here's an interesting discussion of which NFL teams over and underreport injuries during the season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/which-teams-over-or-under-report-injuries

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 6:33 PM |

According to this we are the most honest football team in the league when it comes to injuries. Yay truth!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who like to place the occasional bet on a football game, here's an interesting discussion of which NFL teams over and underreport injuries during the season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/which-teams-over-or-under-report-injuries

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 6:33 PM |

According to this we are the most honest football team in the league when it comes to injuries. Yay truth!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 6:37 PM

Or another example of why Zorn wasn't even ready for a college coaching job.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI....

What percentage of the Redskins, do you think read this blog?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 28, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

DT's on the team. I'll take MS's comment at face value. He knows he has an extemely talented WR in DT that lacks work ethic (not talking about the gym), maturity, and polish. He's a guy that just hasn't gotten "it" yet.

He wanted to get a better idea of what he has in Armstrong, Galloway, Williams, Austin, & Banks.

Posted by: Diesel44

This does not make any sense to me. If Shanny feels that DT has any chance to be a top 3 wr then he should have played significant minutes on offense.

The third preseason game is when starters play the most. If Shanny thinks he is talented but needs work then he should also have played more minutes. DT has shown less than any other receiver. If there was 1 receiver that should not have played minutes so that others could showcase their abilities. He is the most accomplished, has shown well during the first two games and is oft injured so not risking him makes sense. I have to think this does not bode well for Thomas' future in Shanny's offense. He will make the team but he is getting less and less targets each week. Same thing is not happening for obvious starter Moss. Thomas is moving rapidly towards bust status.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 28, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

whazzup! where did all my COOL friendz like you know beep and the monkeyz bros go?

SKINZ WILL WINN or Jiminy Cricket!!! WISH UPON A STAR!

Posted by: rob_in_MD | August 28, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"According to this we are the most honest football team in the league when it comes to injuries. Yay truth!Posted by: scampbell1975" Posted by: Diesel44

LOL no such luck. Washington was simply the most accurate of the teams that overestimate the number of games lost to injury. There were a whole bunch of teams that under-reported injuries -- the bottom part of the table.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

srobert1117-

I thought DT should have played significant minutes too but he didn't. MS has also done the same thing with AH, LJ, & Willie.

Is he sending a message? Probably.

Is DT in danger of being cut? No.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey RI....

What percentage of the Redskins, do you think read this blog?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 28, 2010 7:12 PM

THAT SH!T AINT FUNNY AND IM COMIN TO STOMP YO ASS!

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | August 28, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I thought DT should have played significant minutes too but he didn't. MS has also done the same thing with AH, LJ, & Willie.

Is he sending a message? Probably.

Is DT in danger of being cut? No.

Posted by: Diesel44

I agree that he is not going to get cut but man he is sliding back to being a special teams player. The players you compare him to are all players that are likely to be cut or would likely to be cut. AH is not being cut because of the significant financial investment. They have all been pro bowlers in the past. Lumping him in with those guys is like the kiss of defense.

I thought he would get significant minutes if Shanny thought he could be a #2 or #3 receivers this year. Not playing him seems to mean that he is backup at best and special teams guy. 2008 draft the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 28, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

This does not make any sense to me. If Shanny feels that DT has any chance to be a top 3 wr then he should have played significant minutes on offense.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 28, 2010 7:12 PM

It's about game tape for Austin, Banks. They are fighting for the last WR spot, and it's good to get an idea of what they can do against DBs that they would have to face if they make the active roster. Shanny has tape on what Devin can do and what he needs to work on when the lights come. As for Galloway, I read on some blog that the plan was to play him sparingly for all the preseason games save game 3.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry scamp, I think the rivalry diapers were just in the concept stage. But I'll look into it.

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Do you guys think MK makes the team if has a solid performance in the last exhibition game?
Sorta new to this blog btw...

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

skinswillwin welcome. If MK plays, even if he's not solid, he makes the team.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

skinswillwin welcome. If MK plays, even if he's not solid, he makes the team.

Posted by: TWISI

Thank you, yeah it seems he has something that the new staff likes no matter his current injury or he would have been cut...IMHO

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I know it's only preseason, but seeing Tony Romo get sacked never gets old.

Posted by: suzannepdc | August 28, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

"Perry Riley was an OLB at LSU in a 4-3. He is projected to play inside in the 3-4."


P Riley and C Wilson should both be battlin' for the OLB spot opposite Orakpo.

(And, again: whazzup with C Gatewood and R Henson? Neither of those guys can play OLB?)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Didn't get to see the game, but as previously stated, it's going to take 4-8 games for the OL to gel...

but I would like to think that the addition of Hicks, Brown, and Trent Williams will eventually pay dividends for the running game.

Until then, we just don't seem capable of pushing people around, and as Dockery said: "To be a really good running football team, all 11 got to function well. Receivers have to block down field, tight ends have to block as well, linemen, running backs. It's a collective group effort."

Other than that sounds like Rex got lucky despite having had a hard time protecting the football -- a recovered fumble and a dropped INT?

How did the pass pro look?

And I concur with scamp about Keiland Willaims as the #2 back.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I thought Riley will make the team with his speed and ball-hawking skills...

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy's offense is fun to watch!

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Texans are giving a blueprint of some of the Cowboys weakness on defense. I realize it's only preseason and everyone is keeping thing simple, but they are really shredding the Dallas secondary.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

The Texans are giving a blueprint of some of the Cowboys weakness on defense. I realize it's only preseason and everyone is keeping thing simple, but they are really shredding the Dallas secondary.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 9:10 PM

Indeed and always a fun thing to watch!

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

i rlly cnt tell if chris wilson is legit or not....hope he makes the team iregardless

Posted by: RoguePancakes | August 28, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Cowboy's offense is fun to watch!

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 9:06 PM |

Because they are dead, putrid and stinkin'.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

That was pleasingly pathetic. I hope they're panicking in big D(ouche)!

Posted by: mack1 | August 28, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson hits his groove


Even so, I'm kinda sorta growin' to feelin' groovy about his making the roster.

'Cuz you know he will.

(And it helps if the head coach--M Shanahan-- is the guy who watched Johnson from afar during his prime time in KC.)

Again, the running back depth chart will work out like this:

Portis--Johnson--Torain

To me, Torain and Johnson are the same running back.

It would be nice to match a fast guy with a grinder back like Portis.

But since the designated speed guy, Willie Parker, doesn't impress, I guess we'll feature 3 backs who aren't burners, but power types that wear defense down and sustain long drives.

In other words, our one-two punch will be a fist to the mouth running game with three inter-changable backs.

We foresee late Fall-Early winter games on muddy fields with a Carolina Panther-type running game ruling FEDEX Field.

The lack of speed out of the backfield is not great a great thing.

But in other ways, well, it's kinda groovy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I just want a good o-line that open holes and protect, unlike from last season.

With that skins can be elite...

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"I really cnt tell if chris wilson is legit or not....hope he makes the team irregardless..."


Thing is, we feature a defense that plays deep into the roster.

So C Wilson should get more than enough time to show that he can be or is a player.

And having already made the switch to OLB from d-end, I'm wondering why he isn't given more of a shot than A Carter at starting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

How did the pass pro look?

And I concur with scamp about Keiland Willaims as the #2 back.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 28, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia, the pass protection for the ones looked very good for the most part...one sack and one hurry in first half. The run blocking is what was lacking.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 28, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

met george clinton today. wow. i meet a lot of celebrities at work, but this tops everything!

as for rb, i think portis-johnson-torain and williams at least on practice squad, if not on the final roster.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | August 28, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"...met george clinton today."

Did you ask him if his brother Bill was aware that some other guy is claiming to be the first black president?

Just askin'.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

giants and dallas getting crushed tonight.....nice!

Posted by: chrislarry | August 28, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

i don't think there's anyone in george's family that doesn't inhale.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | August 28, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

FIRST to say anyone who thinks they are FIRST 8 1/2 hours after a posting is a moron in more ways than one...

Posted by: billjohnson1 | August 28, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell hit hard & carted off in Raiders game.

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Posted by: will_ga | August 28, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"The run blocking is what was lacking."


Well, you do have to remember that the jets D last year was ranked in the Top 10 against the rush.

They had the number league defense last yea, people, and we were able to move the ball with a second tier q-back named Rex Grossman.

And to expect their number 1s to not live up to that ranking is kinda immature thinking.

Their singular team weakness plays under center.

We matched up well against them considering that D Mac and CP weren't featured at all.

What should trouble us all are the dropped passes and opponents' ability to get rushing yards on the edges of our starting defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

What should trouble us all are the dropped passes and opponents' ability to get rushing yards on the edges of our starting defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:34 PM

Yep what changes should be taken to prevent this?

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis
Johnson
Williams

Me thinks Williams has passed Torian..

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

3. On Brandon Banks:

*PR Brandon Banks hurt his cause tonight with his lost fumble on a punt return. He now has a muff, a fumble and a touchdown this preseason. The knock on him is that he has trouble standing up to contact at 5-7, 150, and he wasn’t even popped on the play. He simply was stripped. We saw it last preseason with Anthony Alridge—fumbles trump speed when it comes down to making the final roster. Banks finished the game well with two catches for 35 yards, but it was against third-stringers. Overall, I don’t think anyone hurt their chances of making the team more than Banks did.

-----------------------------------------

Austin showed me something last night at the WR position. Austin is quick and he has really good vision. Bank's speed is intriguing but he's had two negative plays on special teams. These two are playing for one spot IMO. I still prefer Banks over Austin, but this race is too close to call.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse


AGREE

If they decide to make one active,and one on Taxi Squad (it will always be taxi squad to me), Banks makes more sense not active. Few teams would gamble a guaranteed roster slot on a 150 pound rookie and he can develop there.

I think Galloway, Austin make the team, Thomas does not, Kelly does not, unless IRed (unlikely).

RBs are Portis, Johnson and Torrain--WIlliams on Taxi.


Posted by: TheCork | August 28, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What should trouble us all are the dropped passes and opponents' ability to get rushing yards on the edges of our starting defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:34 PM

Agreed. Also concerned about our run blocking. Thought we would be doing better by now.

Posted by: will_ga | August 28, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

What should trouble us all are the dropped passes and opponents' ability to get rushing yards on the edges of our starting defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 28, 2010 10:34 PM

Yep what changes should be taken to prevent this?

Posted by: skinswillwin

No one will be running much on Haynesworth/Orakpo. But the Left defensive side is iffy. Carricker isn't answer and daniels is old, Coleman is not a linebacker, and Hall isn't famous for his tackling. It is a weakness that needs addressing. I don't have the answer. Would have thought Lo would have gont more reps this week.

Posted by: TheCork | August 28, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Kelly will make the team.....

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

"Carricker isn't answer and daniels is old,"
thats why not find a way to get mankins

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

nm im dumb...talkin about d line vs o line...

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 28, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Would have thought Lo would have gont more reps this week.

Posted by: TheCork | August 28, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Me too. Maybe they want Carter to get as many reps as he can because he was injured earlier this year.

Posted by: TWISI | August 28, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Campbell carted off the field...Let's face it...can you really see him leading the Raiders to a Super Bowl?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 28, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I, too, think Torrain will be on the roster over Keiland Williams but I don't agree with the decision. Williams has played far better than Torrain.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

scamp- UFC 117 on right now.

http://www.channelsurfing.net

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse


"Jason Campbell has returned to the sideline. He was chatting up Mario Henderson, whose man beat him to blast Campbell on the sack. Wonder what that conversation was about?"

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/raiders/archives/2010/08/raiders-49ers-i-2.html#ixzz0xxhcWyLV

Posted by: Alan4 | August 28, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Im watcing it D44...thanks

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 28, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys are looking real impressive!!!!!

Posted by: rachel216 | August 28, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hard to believe the Ravens come out in a no- huddle against NY -- in freaking preseason!

Those guys have no shame.

Ya gotta love'em.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Ya gotta love'em.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 28, 2010 11:54 PM

No. F the Ravens and their fans. Did they give Zorn another gatorade bath?

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 28, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Campbell carted off the field...Let's face it...can you really see him leading the Raiders to a Super Bowl?

Posted by: rickyroge | August 28, 2010 11:17 PM

Weird...Usually when you get carted off you don't ride shotgun.

He can't even get carted off right.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 29, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Campbell held the ball too long again!

You'd think he'd have learned after a couple of years behind The Dirt Buckets, or the Trash Pails, or whoever they are that a QB only has about 1.3 seconds from snap to release!

Gotta have that internal clock!

This guy's never gonna learn! He was holdin' back there forever, again... Nearly 3 seconds, if you count until when his shoulder popped out!

What do you think this is? A Holiday Inn Express!? Get rid of the BALL, MAN!

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 29, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

PS - Frank Gore is definitely on Steroids. He's got that Ricky Waters/Ben Johnson face puff.

How can you be in such tip top shape everywhere, but have your face swollen like a 300 lb couch dweller?

Steroids.

Barry Bonds, anyone? Swollen face is the dead give away.

Evander Holyfield? Puffiest face yet. (roids)

Frank Gore is good. But he's on steroids.

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 29, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

From Rick Snider in the Examiner:

With only a throwaway preseason game remaining, the Washington Redskins are still an incomplete team.

The run defense looks terrible. The running game stinks. Quarterbacking is a mystery. There’s no return game yet. And those are just the obvious weaknesses.

The Redskins are a quintessential 8-8 team this season. They’ll look great some days, awful on others and you’ll never know which to expect.

The New York Jets stuffed the Redskins’ running game in Washington’s 16-11 victory on Friday, particularly before halftime, which the starters entered leading 6-5. It hardly matters who’s running the ball if they have nowhere to go because the interior blocking has been awful. It’s a decent pass blocking line, but the Redskins need to run between tackles better.

Willie Parker looks like the odd man out at running back, with Keiland Williams getting his spot if the Redskins carry four tailbacks. Larry Johnson sealed the No. 2 job over Ryan Torain, but Clinton Portis has been the only effective runner.

Rex Grossman showed he’s an effective backup, completing 8-for-16 for 111 yards with the starters while Donovan McNabb rested a sprained ankle. Grossman is still spotty on the deep ball, though Santana Moss dropped one. Given that McNabb has played 16 games only once in the last six years, Grossman will play some this season. It’s imperative defenses respect his arm so they can’t cheat against the run. Washington should keep John Beck as the third passer, too.

Receiver Joey Galloway looks like a starter after the Redskins featured him early. Anthony Armstrong will get a job largely off standout special teams play, but Devin Thomas hasn’t dislodged the 37-year-old Galloway, and Malcolm Kelly can’t get on the field.

The Albert Haynesworth drama finally appears over, though coach Mike Shanahan wouldn’t rate the defensive lineman’s effort after discussing several others. There always will be some tension between the two, but Haynesworth now looks like a starting right end who makes a difference.

The Redskins still need a returner, and Brandon Banks, as much as people would like the 5-foot-7 rookie to be that great story, just isn’t it. He fumbled against the Jets and at 151 pounds clearly can’t handle the pro game. It’s too bad because Banks has some speed, but it’s so seldom used the Redskins must look elsewhere.

Washington certainly will scan the waiver wire come Tuesday. The Redskins have improved over last season, but a few holes remain.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

"Washington certainly will scan the waiver wire come Tuesday. The Redskins have improved over last season, but a few holes remain."


The September 4th waiver wire might have better prospects as it'll feature a lot of players teams would probably rather keep, but can't due to the usual numbers game.

And I'd druther trade A Carter (I know he has that clause thingy) for a linebacker, thank you.

Too, I hope Bruce Allen freely poaches players from other folks' practice squads to augment three obvious position needs:

outside linebacker
offensive line (right tackle)
wide receiver


Other than that, the 7-9 or 8-8 claims seem fairly sound, but without having seen D McNabb at length, I still wonder why 9-7 isn't doable.

Because it is.


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"Jason Campbell has returned to the sideline. He was chatting up Mario Henderson, whose man beat him to blast Campbell on the sack. Wonder what that conversation was about?"


Jason Campbell (polite, but annoyed): Make sure you block that guy or I'm going to get the sh!t knocked of me, again.

Mario Henderson (in full whateva mode): Bro', if you throw the ball decisively, you won't get hit so much.

Otherwise, you'll be on your back more than a drunk sorority girl in the porn frat house.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

You know what? Have any Cowgirl trolls been on here lately? I miss their injection of delirium. It isn't a 'Skins forum without them.

Anyways, game thoughts:

Rex is a competent backup. But, I thought he made some poor decisions in the red zone.

O-line has definitely improved in pass blocking, but we're still waiting for the run game. Hopefully, this is because they haven't shown much of the scheme.

Larry is heads. Willie is tails. Call it in the air. I call heads.

As for receivers, we finally saw why Galloway tops the depth chart. The old man can still compete. Santana made good catches, but I can't believed he dropped a perfect one from Rex. I've seen enough Armstrong; welcome to the Redskins. Terrence Austin looks solid. Banks was disappointing: he fumbled, and he drew a pass interference call. Banks is too short to be an effective WR, but I won't write him off yet. WHERE IS DEVIN THOMAS? I haven't seen much from Fred Davis either; please don't disappear now that Cooley's healthy.

Run D is a worry. I don't care if we have 2s or 3s and the Jets have their 1s. RBs are gaining way too many yards, and this has been since the Bills. Carter has no sense of containment.

The front seven managed four sacks. Great. We can still pass rush in the 3-4. I've been impressed with Perry Riley. He made some rookie mistakes earlier, such as taking bad angles and over-pursuing, but he's been improving every week.

I'm liking our secondary. They seem to be a tight-knit group that likes to play together. DeAngelo made a great read on the INT. Now all he has to do is take it to the house big man; he had daylight. Doughty looked to do a decent job as free safety. I didn't get a sufficient look at Chris Horton.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


Other than that, the 7-9 or 8-8 claims seem fairly sound, but without having seen D McNabb at length, I still wonder why 9-7 isn't doable.

Because it is.


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 8:22 AM |


I don't know moe, seems McNabb can't stay on the field for an extended period of time anymore. With Grossman being so inconsistent, 9-7 looks out of reach.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I think Keiland Williams should be the number 2 RB.

Posted by: bostskin | August 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | August 29, 2010 9:22 AM |

Good analysis, fake. I don't understand why Haslett has ACarter at OLB. They must a) move him back to DE or b) move him to another team. As far as DT,FD,and MK, all three need to show me something. I'll take a beating about FD, but he hasn't shown much yet this year.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't know moe, seems McNabb can't stay on the field for an extended period of time anymore.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 9:24 AM


Which McNabb are you talking about and what do you think is "an extended period of time"?

Donovan McNabb, the Redskins' QB, played in 14, 16, and 14 games in the last three years.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't see why this team can't be better than 8-8. We were in almost every game last season. The addition of McNabb may win some of those close games.

My worry is that we won't be able to stop anyone when it counts.

If, and it's a big IF, Shanahan can get this team a wildcard birth, then he's gotta be Coach of the Year.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 29, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb, the Redskins' QB, played in 14, 16, and 14 games in the last three years.

I think McNabb needs to play 16 in order for the Redskins to go 9-7 or even 8-8. The team is not good enough to win ugly games with Rex. Too many holes.

Holes going into the season: OLB. ILB spot next to Fletcher. NT. Maake has not looked strong at the point of attack. Part of the reason for the poor run defense along with OLB play. Free safety. Somebody has to erase LLs mistakes. He needs to focus on making plays and tackling and not just killing people. Wr is slight hole. Armstrong looks good but Moss, Galloway and Armstrong is not a strong group. Oline depth. Any injuries to a starter will be nothing short of devastating.

Team needs to stay completely healthy to have a shot at 9 wins. The depth is bad at just about every position outside of TE.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 29, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"I think Keiland Williams should be the number 2 RB."

Williams, Kelly, Thomas, Austin should all be featured in the cards' game.

Two of them are eligible for the practice squad, so their performance might keep them on or off it.

Two of the players I mention are fighting each other for a roster spot and the coaches' confidence in them.

And ultimately, their performance or lack of quality in it might send one to the unemployment line.

(And even so, I'd wave either one in the rams'--they've lost D Henderson--face hoping for some kind of late round pick--especially Thomas.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Safe to say the Redskins are gonna be better this year than last.

How much better?

8-8 seems reasonable.

The uncertainty at WR, RB, and weak links on the defense preclude me from believing this team is about to have a break out year in 2010.

Also not sold on the OL, not yet.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | August 29, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 9:39 AM |
And how many games has he played this year beep?

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Just finished watching Wade Phillips post game interview...he does not seem very confident, which makes me confident they will get a L on the 12th.

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

And how many games has he played this year beep?

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 10:04 AM

Redskins haven't played a game this year.

He was in two of the three pre-season games. And if they were regular season games, he would have been in three of the three regular season games, hessone.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Oline depth. Any injuries to a starter will be nothing short of devastating.

Team needs to stay completely healthy to have a shot at 9 wins. The depth is bad at just about every position outside of TE.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 29, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure we know about our O-line depth. We're assuming they'll stink like last year. Remember people, we had a QB that held the ball too long. The Oline has to protect the QB, but the QB has to help the Oline too by getting rid of the ball. Can we sustain a loss at one position...maybe...more than one position...problably not, but I think that's any team.

Posted by: rickyroge | August 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

chia_pet

"The uncertainty...preclude me from believing this team is about to have a break out year in 2010."

Agreed, the team to date is a work in progress.

I see late season 2011 as the time when the team suddenly 'clicks,' and makes a playoff ran.

And you want it that way as building for the future wouldn't happen if there was sudden success today.

But to improve moving forward, a lot of good things have to happen.

A lot depends on McNabb being re-signed and staying healthy.

A lot depends on the defense mastering the new scheme.

A lot depends on the o-line getting depth during the next offseason.

A lot depends on LL living up to his draft pedigree and C22 joining him in that regard.

A lot also depends on the wide receiver group maturing to were in the event of a poor rushing attack, the team can lean on the passing game without missing a beat.

The 2010 Washington Redskins are a team n progress.

But so far, we can only say one thing about the changes made this year:

We like them.

A lot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson hits his groove

Whew!

I'm glad.

Given his history of violence towards women, I'd though this was the headline when I first glanced at this page:

Larry Johnson hit his girlfriend

followed by:

Larry Johnson's girlfriend says he's slow to hit the hole as he's unable to locate the groove

Boy am I glad I take the time to pay attention to detail!!

(INSERT bad pun groan audio and image of angry women libbers and Cindy Boren throwing flaming bras onstage where Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks his Glen Beck "Take America Back" Rally tie and complains about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Other than that, the 7-9 or 8-8 claims seem fairly sound, but without having seen D McNabb at length, I still wonder why 9-7 isn't doable.


Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 8:22 AM |

Can't just look at the Redskins and moan about our weaknesses. Guess what? Every team in the league has problems. And every team in the league is an injury or two away from a collapse.

And when you look at the NFC East -- at least in pre-season -- we're pretty competitive. Eagles and Redskins are 2-1. Cowboys are 2-2. And the Giants are 1-2. But none of the four teams has stood out as better than the other three.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Cindy Boren throwing flaming bras onstage where Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks his Glen Beck "Take America Back" Rally tie and complains about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 29, 2010 10:39 AM

1. It would be a lot worse than flaming bras after that one. (Flaming bras? 1968? 1972?)

2. No one gets Moe (well-deserved) respect on the blog than the Mista. And this post shows why.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse


@beep-beep

McNabb's played in those games you've mentioned the last three years, and I'll be the first one to say he's tough for a QB in the NFL. However, the point we're trying to make is if McNabb can stay on the field healthy and at close to 100%, 9-7 is possible. He hasn't been able to those years you've mentioned, except for 2008, and he's not getting any younger. You and I can't say whether he would had started the Jets game if it were the regular season, being we're not part of the training staff. It's still out there whether he starts against the Cowboy's, we'll see. Saying he's played games with injuries doesn't equate to victories either, not being at 100%. With his accuracy problems on short to medium range passes, he needs to be close to 100% healthy for our Redskins to have any success this year. Unless you have faith in Grossman, keep your fingers crossed beep.

2002: McNabb broke his right ankle in this game against the Arizona Cardinals, but still managed to throw four touchdowns. He'd miss the rest of the regular season, but returned in time for that year's playoffs (the Eagles lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the NFC Championship Game).

2005: McNabb's annus horribilis. Already off speaking terms with his star wideout Terrell Owens, McNabb played out the year with a chest contusion (suffered in the opener against Atlanta), a rib contusion (suffered in Week 8 against Denver) and a sports hernia, which had been diagnosed earlier in the season and which McNabb aggravated against the Cowboys in Week 10. He would miss the rest of the season

2006: Tore his ACL and meniscus while scrambling out of bounds against Tennessee in Week 11, requiring season-ending surgery.

2007: Suffered a sprained ankle and an injury to his right thumb in Week 11 against Miami. Missed Philadelphia's next two games.

2009: Suffered a broken rib running for a touchdown in the season-opening victory over Carolina. Missed the next two games.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

was listening to sirius nfl radio other day and ross tucker and adam shine have us going 10-6 and in the playoffs, with the cowpies also going 10-6 but missing out. sparked a couple of angry calls from cowpukes fans

Posted by: hcic55 | August 29, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking 8-8 based on coaching change alone. I'm at 9-7 + or -2. But its in the hands of the injury gods.

Last night the Cowpies couldn't run,pass or tackle. These are important things for teams that play football.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | August 29, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 10:53 AM
I think most those injuries were to due him trying to make plays with his feet, which he should not be doing much this season if we have a nice running game and good pass protection, but only time will tell.

Posted by: skinswillwin | August 29, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"I don't see why this team can't be better than 8-8."

I think it's going to depend on what breaks they get this year. I just want to see a team "compete" because last year was juts plain rediculous.

Saying that, I think the Giants and Cowgurls look really bad. But that's pre-season for you.

I think 9-7 is doable, if you look at the schedule I think they have 4 wins where they are clearly better then thier opponents. They have 6 conference games so if you figure they at least split those that's 3 more wins.

Ok, they are going to have to win 2 more somewhere in conference or sneak a win or two against Minn, Indy, ect..

I am going to play the Shanny card here. The Skins have a new offense and defense, plus a Pro Bowl level QB so maybe they are worth a win or two.

Point is they can make the playoffs, we'll have to see how the season goes. But I have said for years "the teams with the best coaches and QB's always make the playoffs" so that is going to be tested I think.

They have played hard this preseason, it's been refreshing to sya the least. Even if they don't make the playoffs I don't expect them to fold up camp like they did last year.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@hessone,

You wrote "seems McNabb can't stay on the field for an extended period of time anymore."

I think that statement is not correct, based on your own data that show he missed four games in the last three years.

As for what happens if he has a major injury (2005, 2006) then, yeah, Grossman (like every other backup in the league) is not likely to do as well as McNabb would have done. But I also thought Grossman played pretty well against the Jets the other night, and he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The first cut - my picks...

1. Dennis Morris - The coaching staff guessed wrong on this guy. He has been particularly invisible during the off season, and noe he's injured.

2. Clint Oldenburg - Was a long shot to begin with, and he's done nothing to dispel those odds.

3. Shay Hodge - He's a good player, but he has not done anything in games to warrant to be in the mix for the last WR spot.

4. Curtis Gatewood - Surprised he didn't step up more since he was in the "Steelers" scheme last year. The Skins have better players at his position that need reps in the final game.

5. James Dearth - He has more experience than Nick Sundberg, but I'm guessing coach Shanny may want a younger player at that position.

Posted by: TWISI | August 29, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Where are all the Dallas dumda$$'s this morning? They looked AWESOME last night.

Posted by: westjr88 | August 29, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

1. Dennis Morris - Maybe he survives the 1st cut ONLY due to the fact that he was a draft pick. Perhaps MS was enamored much like this entire board by a certain youtube clip.

2. Clint Oldenburg - Agreed

3. Shay Hodge - Agreed.

4. Curtis Gatewood - Agreed.

5. James Dearth - Agreed. He's 11 years older than Sunberg

Good list. I might replace D-Mo by CB Ramzee Robinson

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I hope you guys are keeping track of these predictions so you can grade yourselves when the cuts are made. I'm staying out of it. Unlike last season, I don't have any confidence I know who those last ten players on the roster will be. Not many loose lips at this camp.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 29, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

In Zorn's second year there was a fairly steady leak of info out of camp and the locker room during preseason. And a feeling of mild chaos around both. That's not here at the moment (except the occasional panic on this board).

Posted by: Samson151 | August 29, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

As for what happens if he has a major injury (2005, 2006) then, yeah, Grossman (like every other backup in the league) is not likely to do as well as McNabb would have done. But I also thought Grossman played pretty well against the Jets the other night, and he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:05 AM |

Your "he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl" is an overstatement. It was more like he was along for the ride and he did not do well in the SB. That said, he is better than the average back-up QB. If McNabb were out for an extended period Grossman might shine, thinking this would be his second chance to show he can be a starting QB. Mebbe he has overcome some of the mental demons that seemed to plague him when he was with the Bears.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | August 29, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I posted earlier in the week about Vinny's comments on 106.7 and how Sherm vouched for AH. Seems Sherm recalls that it went a little different.

Smith: Cerrato's Recall 'Ridiculous'
By Ryan O’Halloran


Former Redskins personnel chief Vinny Cerrato made the radio rounds today and talked to 106.7 The Fan about the team’s decision last offseason to sign Albert Haynesworth.

Incredibly – or maybe not so much – Cerrato intimated that former offensive coordinator Sherman Smith’s opinion on Haynesworth sealed the defensive tackle’s signing, throwing the coach under the bus in the process.

“I think we talked to a lot of people, plus Sherman Smith had been on the Tennessee staff for a number of years – he knew Albert very well,” Cerrato said.

On a follow-up question about Smith’s involvement, Cerrato said: “We had first-hand information on Albert, [knew] everything about the guy because Sherman was there from the time Albert got there.”

Smith is now the running backs coach in Seattle and in a phone interview today said it’s “ridiculous” that his opinion carried that much weight.

“They wouldn’t give a guy a $100 million contract based only on what I said,” Smith said. “I told them exactly about our experience in Tennessee and said you guys make the decision.”

Smith said his advice in the staff meeting was “buyer beware,” because of Haynesworth’s problems in Tennessee.

“The people in that meeting know what I said – you won’t find one guy in that meeting who will come out and say what Vinny said,” Smith said. “Not one.”

Haynesworth has been a headache for basically his entire Redskins tenure, during which he’s been paid more than $30 million for 12 regular season games of work.

Cerrato tried to back-track later in the interview, but never pointed the finger at himself for the Haynesworth signing.

“I think [Smith] told us what he saw and observed over the years, [that] the guy had matured,” Cerrato said. “The money wasn’t the issue [at the time]. In the long run, money is always the issue.”

It is widely believed that owner Dan Snyder orchestrated the signing, wanted to get the biggest prize on the free agent market.

“Everybody there wanted him,” Cerrato said. “The defensive guys absolutely wanted him. Jim Zorn absolutely wanted him. When you watch the film, you absolutely wanted him.”

As for Haynesworth’s history, Cerrato said: “When you look at it and say, ‘OK, can we handle him? Is the talent that great?’ Yes. We felt like we would have the people with Greg Blache and [Cornelius Griffin] and Phillip [Daniels] and [London] Fletcher to handle him in the locker room.”

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Good list. I might replace D-Mo by CB Ramzee Robinson

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Robinson is a good candidate as well Diesel.

Posted by: TWISI | August 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The first cut - my picks...

Posted by: TWISI | August 29, 2010 11:09 AM |

It always mystifies me that a fan in the stands knows enough to think he can predict which nobody is going to get voted off the island.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | August 29, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse


and he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:05 AM |

Without the Bears defense in 2006-2007, no way do the Bears make it to SB XLI, let alone win the big game with Grossman's performance that day. McNabb better stay on the field healthy and uninjured, or 9-7 isn't gonna happen.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Your "he was good enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl" is an overstatement. It was more like he was along for the ride and he did not do well in the SB.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | August 29, 2010 11:39 AM

NO, it's not "an overstatement." Bears went to the Super Bowl and he was the QB. He was good enough to get them there. And I didn't claim that he won the SB. You're right, he didn't play well. A lot of QB's who are good enough to get there don't play well when they're there.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Mebbe he has overcome some of the mental demons that seemed to plague him when he was with the Bears.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | August 29, 2010 11:39 AM

Have you been paying attention. Maybe you haven't been in the stands but Grossman is who we thought he was.

He's a TO machine. In just over a game and a half of play he's had 5 fumbles and a pick with one pick negated by penalty.

Saying that maybe he's overcome some of the mental demons mystifies me.

Posted by: Diesel44 | August 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Samson151, FourthAndOne. I'm not afraid to be wrong, that's why I put it out there.

BTW, I'd like to see the Skins address the RB position by bringing in a player with more speed and/or quickness than the current group has. Its been discussed that the Bills, and Ravens should have a difficult cut at that position. I'd also like to mention the Browns, and Vikings should have difficult decisions there as well. As for vets on the bubble, Derrick Ward in Tampa and our old friend L Betts in New Orleans are squarely on the fence.

Posted by: TWISI | August 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Without the Bears defense in 2006-2007, no way do the Bears make it to SB XLI, let alone win the big game with Grossman's performance that day.

Posted by: hessone | August 29, 2010 11:46 AM

Agreed. But Grossman was good enough to get them there. You win games by scoring more points than your opponents. Grossman was good enough to score more than the teams that were stymied by the Bears' defense. And he did it enough to get the Bears to the Super Bowl.

No one has claimed he's Tom Brady. But he has proven that he's good enough to get a team (with a strong defense) to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

NO, it's not "an overstatement." Bears went to the Super Bowl and he was the QB. He was good enough to get them there.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 29, 2010 11:50 AM |

Somehow there seems to be a disconnect between

1. "Bears went to the Super Bowl and he was the QB. He was good enough to get them there.

and

2. Grossman's QB stats in 2006: 73.9 QB rating, 23 TDs, 20 Ints, 6.7 ypa.

Campbell had better #s than that in 2009 and he "led" the skins to a 4-12 season, NFC East cellar and 4th draft pick.

Posted by: FourthAndOne | August 29, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

beeps..let's move onto the DT post

Posted by: TWISI | August 29, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

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