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Larry Johnson should get a fair shot in Shanahan's system

I'll admit that I was a little shocked when Dick Vermeil suggested that Larry Johnson could wrestle away Clinton Portis' starting running back job.

I was even more surprised that 70 percent of respondents to yesterday's poll agreed with him.

As Johnson embarks on his third act, he may not have big expectations, but he'll at least have a lot of curious eyeballs following his every move.

Johnson made life difficult for his coaches in Kansas City, which is why it's a bit surprising that both Vermeil and Herm Edwards had such positive reviews of their former player.

"He was our only chance of being competitive," Edwards said. "We were successful enough to get in the playoffs. I think the year after that, it was more of him not handling himself off the field."

Both coaches agree that Johnson is not nearly washed up. The reasons are explained in the article but neither views Johnson as a typical 30-year-old running back. They point to his relatively few carries. They say his lackluster numbers in recent years were hampered by his off-the-field problems and don't reflect his abilities. And they say he's a guy who's motivated by proving others wrong, which 2010 will provide ample opportunity for.

Both coaches have seen older running backs find success. Edwards had Curtis Martin with the New York Jets, who in 2004 had nearly 1,700 yards at the age of 31. The key for an aging player, he says, is the offseason conditioning -- an area that neither coach foresees as much of a problem for Johnson.

"Once you lose your legs, it's all over," said Edwards. "It doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter what position. Once the firepower is gone, it's gone. So you have to try to sustain it. I look at how a guy takes care of himself in the offseason. That's probably the most important thing for any guy in his 30s."

Johnson was among the players present for the Redskins' offseason conditioning program this week, and you can bet Redskins' coaches should have a pretty good idea of what to expect from Johnson based on what they see during the offseason and how he reports to training camp.

And then -- just maybe -- Johnson could again play to his potential, something he hasn't done in several seasons. But when he's at his best, Vermeil says few are better. Vermeil, in fact, compared a younger Johnson with Jim Brown.

"I watched Larry mature as a person and as a player, and boy, the end-product can be very good," Vermeil said. "He's a fine player."

Both coaches say that the biggest thing Johnson probably needed was to escape Kansas City, where he gravitated toward trouble and created distractions for his team.

"That was the best thing that could've happened to him, going to Cincinnati last year," Edwards said. "He probably needed to leave there to get a fresh start. Marvin [Lewis] took him even though he had a guy in place.

"I think he should understand now where he is in his career. He's going to have an opportunity in Mike [Shanahan's] system and that will help Larry."

By Rick Maese  |  March 17, 2010; 12:35 PM ET
Categories:  Free agency , Larry Johnson , Mike Shanahan  
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10 Ciron Black SR 6-5/331/- LSU Tyler, TX

11 Kyle Calloway SR 6-7/317/- Iowa Belleville, IL

12 Jason Fox SR 6-6/305/- Miami (FL) Fort Worth, TX

13 Sam Young SR 6-8/305/- Notre Dame Fort Lauderdale, FL

14 Zane Beadles SR 6-4/307/- Utah Midvale,
UT


Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 12:34 PM


Theses guys are RTs or Guards in the pros.

Posted by: TWISI | March 17, 2010 12:38 PM

All of these players can start at RT immediately. They won't be gaurds. Look how tall they are.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

All depends on whose blocking, and whether you have the protection to set up play action which opens the running game. In other words, draft a LT, then a RT at #37.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | March 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Fast and furious this morning. Gotta keep up!

I gotta say, the past week or so Redskins Insider has been operating at a very high level. Enjoying the bloggage and the commenty conversation more than I have in a long time.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Brooklyn, I vote "Love it" for the idea of drafting an LT with #4 and a RT with #37.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"I'll admit that I was a little shocked when Dick Vermeil suggested that Larry Johnson could wrestle away Clinton Portis' starting running back job."

I think they should literally have to wrestle for it. On pay-per-view.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Cool.

Now we get see him "throw up the ROC" when he scores.

Next.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 17, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

All of these players can start at RT immediately. They won't be gaurds. Look how tall they are.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

BMW is like 6'8'' and he can't play right tackle. You also need to be able to move laterally.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

What LTs can start this year?? (Some will be carrer starting RTs as well)

1 Russell Okung SR 6-5/300/- Oklahoma State Richmond, TX

2 Trent Williams SR 6-5/290/- Oklahoma Longview, TX

3 Bryan Bulaga JR 6-6/290/- Iowa Woodstock, IL

4 Bruce Campbell JR 6-7/310/- Maryland Hamden, CT

5 Anthony Davis JR 6-6/325/- Rutgers Piscataway, NJ

6 Rodger Saffold SR 6-5/306/- Indiana Bedford, OH

7 Charles Brown SR 6-6/295/- USC Pomona, CA

8 Jared Veldheer SR 6-8/321/- Hillsdale College Grand Rapids, MI

9 Selvish Capers SR 6-4.5/304/- West Virginia New Orleans, LA

10 Ciron Black SR 6-5/331/- LSU Tyler, TX

11 Kyle Calloway SR 6-7/317/- Iowa Belleville, IL

12 Jason Fox SR 6-6/305/- Miami (FL) Fort Worth, TX

13 Sam Young SR 6-8/305/- Notre Dame Fort Lauderdale, FL

14 Zane Beadles SR 6-4/307/- Utah Midvale, UT
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Step y'all scouting game up son son!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse
Okung, Bulaga, Williams and Davis can probably start at LT.

Campbell had great combine, but not good film at MD. Probably a RT, and not necessarily a starter this year, at least not in Sept.

Charles Brown is still learning, could be good LT, but now a project.

Saffold is probably a RT. Veldheer is an unknown because he didn't face top competition. Both will be selected by end of 2nd round, could be good OT's.

All the rest are probably projects, not ready to start in Sept.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 17, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

How about:

1. Shows the team is building in the right way.
2. Totally unneccesary.
3. Greg is right, Grossman will be the starter.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 17, 2010 12:43 PM
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Rex Starts..
Otherwise, why do you need a backup for three-and-out?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Larry Johnson should get a fair shot in Shanahan's system"


He'll do better than some of these threads.

I was just getting ready to vote on the poll for the last when when a new one 'beep beeped' its way into the blog.

mistamayor, some of us don't read that fast or well.

So down, bro', slow down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

At the time of the suspension, Johnson was only 75 yards from passing Priest Holmes as the franchise's all-time leading rusher. This angered several fans, who started a petition demanding that the Chiefs either deactivate, release or waive him. The petition said that Johnson "has never represented anything close to the values that we have for our Chiefs" and thus didn't deserve the record.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dick Vermeil is off his rocker. Besides, Jim Brown retired before he turned 30. We don't have a younger Larry Johnson, but an older one.

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely hated the Larry Johnson signing, mind you. But still.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse
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Although, Johnson & Rex as signings look horrible... gotta understand what the 'Skins have done with these low budget signings... they are creating competition at every position... maybe Rex isn't a starter but if he can help install the offense & Larry Johnson can push Portis to either conform to the team or they can cut him & take a big money hit but still have a guy like Larry Johnson who still may have some juice left... I like it, it's like their bulletproofing the team a lil bit.

This doesn't solve any issues... like the Reskins drafting a LT, QB, or RB to bring in some young talent... but these O-line signings are gonna push the younger guys like Rhinehart, Montgomery, Williams, etc, to work harder to attempt to keep their jobs and get better.

You can't have every position be a big money player with no competition behind him to push him. That is what Snyderato thought they could do, but low & behold ShannyAllen realize that a team is 53 men.

Posted by: tony325 | March 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rather have them rock out post like crack in '88 than to be on the same thread for 3 days.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 17, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I understand, tony325, and I appreciate where you're coming from... I'm just getting antsy about the draft, and I'm wary about what looks like a collection of castoffs coming aboard... silly of me, I know. It's March...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

while johnson has few carries over his career, while he was starting he was the league leader in carries i thnk 3 times... twice (i think, and im too lazy to look it up so someone check it and call me out for being useless if i'm wrong) he had over 400 carries.... 400. There is some stat out there that after 400 touches (carries/receptions) in a season a RB is never the same. The toll that takes on a body is ridiculous... and so while Johnson's career carries numbers may be low... his carries over the last 5 years are probably top 3 or 5 in the entire league.

I doubt he comes in and plays great. The best we can hope for is he comes in, runs hard, and practices... something CP hasn't done in 2 years.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I just don't think the bad joojoo Johnson brings with him is worth whatever ability he might have left. Having said that, what's done is done. If he's destined to stay a Redskin and no one else steps up, I hope he leads the league in rushing TDs this year.

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Happy St. Patty's Day. Draft Okung

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Redskins sign Grossman
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
03/17/10 10:56 AM EDT

The Redskins added another first-round quarterback to the roster Wednesday, signing former Chicago Bears starter Rex Grossman. For now, he replaces the spot occupied by former backup Todd Collins.

But Grossman's arrival leads to more questions about the future of this position. Washington signed Grossman because he's familiar with Kyle Shanahan's offense, having played last season for him in Houston. It's always beneficial to have a veteran QB who understands the offense and can help others get up to speed, whether on the field or in meeting rooms.

However, it's likely that the Redskins will draft a quarterback, which could mean the end for Colt Brennan -- or even Jason Campbell. Perhaps the most likely scenario, right now, is that the Redskins would go with a rotation of Campbell, Grossman and whatever quarterback is drafted. Campbell's grip on the job is tenuous at best.

There's a strong belief among some players that the Redskins will use the minicamps to gauge Campbell's progress in the offense, and for Mike Shanahan to see if he can mold something out of him. And that could still lead to Campbell's ouster in June or July. Also, if the Redskins do draft a quarterback -- say they get Sam Bradford -- then will Campbell want to stick around knowing he's just keeping the seat warm for someone else? He might not have a choice, of course. Still, it was bad enough for him last year getting beaten up by opposing linemen; if he struggled under this scenario fans would clamor for the new kid. Fun times.

One GM has a hard time believing they'll unload him at all because, he said, "I'm looking at the same list they are. There are no options with hope."

But one choice is to draft a rookie and start him, using Grossman as the temporary fallback guy. Though he stumbled in Chicago, it wasn't his fault alone some say. And say some more. And if he comes here as a backup, there's no harm done whatsoever (of course, Gator QBs have not fared well here in the past, have they). Bears insiders also say Grossman did not deserve the amount of criticism he received and that it eventually shot his confidence. He did not have a lot of talent around him in Chicago, which tried to win with defense and special teams. Grossman is not a caretaker and will try to make plays. Too often he tried to do so while throwing off his back foot, leading to interceptions. He also suffered injuries in 2004 and '05 that stunted his growth.

By the end of his time in Chicago in 2008, this once affable and engaging personality had become less outgoing. A change of scenery, plus good quarterback coaching, could turn him into a viable backup and spot starter.

Whatever happens, either Campbell or Brennan is unlikely to return.

And this position continues to be cause for debate in Washington. That, of course, explains why the Redskins haven't done anything since 1991.

Posted by: TWISI | March 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Yet... castoffs work hard trying to prove they have something left. At least we know REx and Larry will work their butts off.

Over the years we have had too many players come in and think everything is going to be handed to them cause they signed a big contract... and in the past that was true. Our team has been full of slackers and diva's and its about time we bring in people who work hard and want it... Finally we are looking to BUILD a team. Get players to push others, bring in competition... bring in guys who have talent (no denying that at their best, Larry and Rex could be good players, maybe in a perfect world but theres no denying their abilities)...

We are no longer simply handing positions to people, and thats always a good thing... lets create a culture of want/desire and hard work and see where that takes us.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The conspiracist were correct for once!

The Government was responsible for 9/11....I never believed it until now...

http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/gay-terrorist?page=0

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Both coaches say that the biggest thing Johnson probably needed was to escape Kansas City, where he gravitated toward trouble and created distractions for his team.

By Rick Maese | March 17, 2010; 12:35 PM ET

Seems like DC is the perfect fit for Johnson -- there's no trouble here for him to gravitate toward, at least as long as he stays out of politics.

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

CP, are you reading this?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

He also suffered injuries in 2004 and '05 that stunted his growth.

Posted by: TWISI

Colt suffered the same thing only he didn't catch it in time and now look at him. The shortest QB on the team.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | March 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Rather have them rock out post like crack in '88 than to be on the same thread for 3 days."

Sameness is straight with me if it's something cool.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"http://www.observer.com/2010/politics/gay-terrorist?page=0"

"....gay-terrorist..."

It's my understanding that gay terrorists smear lubricating materials on their victim before starting their dirty work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps the most likely scenario, right now, is that the Redskins would go with a rotation of Campbell, Grossman and whatever quarterback is drafted."
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Most likely scenario? Is this college? I sure hope our QB rotation can help us win our homecoming game. Maybe we can redshirt the new guy.

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"[Grossman] did not have a lot of talent around him in Chicago, which tried to win with defense and special teams."
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And the situation here would be different? At least there he had special teams...

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Elijah Dukes released from the Nats... I'm not a Nats fan or really care about them but I saw this and found it strange... why just release him???
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/13073220/nationals-release-expected-of-starter-dukes?tag=headlines;other

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope he leads the league in rushing TDs this year.

Posted by: closer44

Could be a good fantasy vulture back next year, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Elijah Dukes released from the Nats... I'm not a Nats fan or really care about them but I saw this and found it strange... why just release him???
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/13073220/nationals-release-expected-of-starter-dukes?tag=headlines;other
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Maybe another OFI (off-field incident)? Total speculation, I have no idea. It's not like he's the most talented outfielder in the world anyway.

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Happy St. Patty's Day....Slainte!

Posted by: ksquare | March 17, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

blog ran out of steam...needs a new strength and conditioning coach...everyone expected to show up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope Vermeil and Edwards are right, but agree with the other comments that at the end of the day, it's gonna be about the quality of the O-line they put on the field. And given the miserable state of the line last year, I don't have very high expectations that they'll be able to field an even above average line this coming season. Hope I'm wrong, though.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | March 17, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

blog ran out of steam...needs a new strength and conditioning coach...everyone expected to show up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 1:40 PM

Blog ran out of credibility last night after nate, you, diesel44 posted your messages of hate towards the mighty Duke Blue Devils. This brought forth a bunch of new posters all of whom hate Rex Grossman. See what you started?

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Besides being another overpaid, overrated, over-the-hill, megalomaniacal underachiever, LJ27 should also give CP26 a run for the money in trash talking, throwing teammates under the bus, and generally being more disruptive than productive.

Since the Redskins obviously put a premium on such attributes (see CP26), LJ27 should do well with the Redskins.

But am really interested to see how LJ27, an acknowledged homophobe, lines up behind JC17...

Posted by: Vic1 | March 17, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Dukes was a clubhouse cancer and no team wanted to trade for him."

Dukes looks and acts like an out of work Baptist preacher.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Well I thought Dukes was maturing and coming along... may not have been the most productive OF on the roster, but he had a ton of talent. I remember when was on the Rays, the man was consistently a top 10 prospect... he has a TON of potentential... but potential doesn't mean anything if the kid cant live up to it....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, hope Brennan makes a run this spring and summer.

Why? Because here in Hawaii, they worship the guy, and Redskins coverage would increase exponentially. Beleive me, if he was from podunkatello, I would be waiting for his eventual release along with most others.

The local radio espn affiliate gets 2-3 calls about him a week, and quite possibly more as I only have it on during my 15 minute commute.

Having said that, the best case for CoC members is for BA/MS to not select a QB in the first two rounds presenting CB a defacto opportunity to make a case for himself as a starter. He does share with Campbell the fact that their future and their window is NOW. Grossman has apparently been ceded the lead QB coach in uniform role.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

LS, we were talking about the evil duke blue devils and the hated cowgirls...and moe's bb team.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Low cost, possibly competative back ups for a low cost... Starters in the draft? I still see three holes on the O-Line... #4 O-Tackle, #37 Guard or Tackle

Posted by: Burrasta1 | March 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

L-S, I was at least on some level baiting you and those of your Blue Devilish ilk :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

blog ran out of steam...needs a new strength and conditioning coach...everyone expected to show up...

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 1:40 PM


YOUR RIGHT!! Starting with this!


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Group Type: Private

Group Creator: 4thFloor

Group Motto: "We don't let facts get in the way....."


Group Password (Password): ita

Locking Rules: Locked - Entries may leave/join group only before the season begins

http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/group?groupID=52730&entryID=1034365

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It'll be great when the Blue Devils find away to blow this one too... probably the easiest road to the final 4 any team has had in the last 10 years.... cant wait for them to lay an egg vrs texas A&M in the sweet 16.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Remember Grossman went to Florida. How can we go wrong with a QB from Florida?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"blog ran out of steam...needs a new strength and conditioning coach...everyone expected to show up..."

The blog takes as the redskins' FO gives.

So far, other than back up types, the FO hasn't given that much.

It's released guys who should've been and added guys who are veteran enough to tutor whomever we draft.

That kind of action doesn't create blog fury as it's slow, practical, and logical.

And I, for one, hope things stay this way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Remember Grossman went to Florida. How can we go wrong with a QB from Florida?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Those ND quarterbacks have really been on a roll lately too. We should draft one of them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

L-S, I was at least on some level baiting you and those of your Blue Devilish ilk :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 1:52 PM

I know, I know. I took the bait and, in a stunning reversal, made fools out of the supporters of UVa, UMd, and UNC at about six this morning. I would re-post, but best to let sleeping dogs lay, I guess.

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Remember Grossman went to Florida. How can we go wrong with a QB from Florida?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:00 PM
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JC will not be thrilled to see Grossman Starting in September behind a vastly talented and improved OLine.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, hope Brennan makes a run this spring and summer.

Why? Because here in Hawaii, they worship the guy, and Redskins coverage would increase exponentially. Beleive me, if he was from podunkatello, I would be waiting for his eventual release along with most others.

The local radio espn affiliate gets 2-3 calls about him a week, and quite possibly more as I only have it on during my 15 minute commute.

Having said that, the best case for CoC members is for BA/MS to not select a QB in the first two rounds presenting CB a defacto opportunity to make a case for himself as a starter. He does share with Campbell the fact that their future and their window is NOW. Grossman has apparently been ceded the lead QB coach in uniform role.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 17, 2010 1:46 PM

I would look forward very much to seeing Colt get a fair shake. I saw a game on tv where he won a close game against Nevada. I was very impressed. He saw the field well and consistantly found what was there to exploit. He seemed to have real natural talent.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Locking Rules: Locked - Entries may leave/join group only before the season begins

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 1:56 PM

THis is what I object to. It gives unfair advantage to guys like you with 20-20 foresight.

Those of us with 20-20 hindsight DEMAND a level playing field. Let us join after the first two weekends.

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
March 17, 2010, 2:14
With Grossman on board, could Spurrier be far behind?

Long rumored to want a 2nd chance coaching in the NFL, Steve Spurrier is rumored to be burning up the phone lines to the DC area in an attempt to get back into the NFL. Our spies in Ashburn hear that the interest is considered mutual. We're not sure what role Spurrier would have with the team, this one bears watching.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Has there been any word from JC17 on the Grossman signing. Should not be that big of a deal...we needed a back-up anyway.

Might make for an exciting QB controversy. Especially if they both play well. Gotta give the edge to JC17 though, he knows the patters of the receivers better. And with an improved O-line, he will do great things this year.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Right on time Greg...right on time

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 17, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

JC will not be thrilled to see Grossman Starting in September behind a vastly talented and improved OLine.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course he wouldn't be thrilled. If Grossman is starting then that means JC17 got hit by a bus.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Derek Anderson has signed with the Cards.

The Eagles have cut Shawn Andrews.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mopp04 | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Those of us with 20-20 hindsight DEMAND a level playing field. Let us join after the first two weekends.

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 2:12 PM

Ehhhh.....NO

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 17, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

good move for the Cards, I think....

andrews has got physical, as well as psychological issues I believe....bad back, and bad brain...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman,
yes, Colt is very accurate and can make accurate throws while moving around in the pocket and after the play has broken down.

Based on my reading of the tea leaves, he will get a fair shot to compete for the job.
That is all anyone can hope for.

Things may radically change come pick 4... time will tell.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

yes, Colt is very accurate and can make accurate throws while moving around in the pocket and after the play has broken down, while playing against guys who won't be playing in the NFL...

Fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

we have to take a look at him

Posted by: mopp04 | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM

dude had back surgery in December and may not be ready to contribute any time soon (2010) if at all.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Andrews; the next BMW reclamation project?

Posted by: psps23 | March 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

yea, Andrews is not a guy we really want to take a chance on. Hes missed a ton of time the last 2 years and is said to be depressed. not something you want to get in the middle of...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

yes, Colt is very accurate and can make accurate throws while moving around in the pocket and after the play has broken down, while playing against guys who won't be playing in the NFL...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 17, 2010 2:23 PM

not buying this if Florio isn't saying it.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Remember Grossman went to Florida. How can we go wrong with a QB from Florida?"


Let's see that's:

Chris Leak

Jesse Palmer

Doug Johnson

Shane Matthews

Danny Wuerffel

All orange blue dud during a time when UF won championships, scored, and secured Heismans.

The school also put E Smith, W Marshall, P Harvin, C Crowder, M Thomas, R Caldwell, B Scaife, R Nelson, A Brown, L Murphy, B Siler, K Ratliff, and a bevy of other fine ballplayers in the league.

Will Tebow be the next great one or dud?

We'll see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know. I took the bait and, in a stunning reversal, made fools out of the supporters of UVa, UMd, and UNC at about six this morning. I would re-post, but best to let sleeping dogs lay, I guess.

Posted by: League-Source | March 17, 2010 2:09 PM

dook isn't going to get past the first weekend. Unless and until dook wins another title shut up.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

L-S, I gotcha, and yes, of course it's Duke's incredible success which has engendered all the ill will it receives.

By which I mean, you know, F Duke, and all that.

Virginia's just... ah... just not playing real good right now. And for a while up to now. And that's about all I got to say about that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm being crushed at work, but I can't quit you guys. I'm stunned that so many peeps voted "hated it" on the Rex Grossman hire. In camp, there are lots of receivers and only a limited number of throwing arms. SOMEBODY has to help install the new offense ... this was why The Todd arrived when he did. I don't care if Grossman competes to start or if he's damaged goods that never sees the field. He's familiar with the new offense to be installed and I'm glad he's got the nominal roster spot to replace the jersey that used to be worn by The Todd.

Posted by: dcsween | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

JC will not be thrilled to see Grossman Starting in September behind a vastly talented and improved OLine.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course he wouldn't be thrilled. If Grossman is starting then that means JC17 got hit by a bus.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 17, 2010 2:17 PM
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Or, he didnt successfully "grasp" Kyle's "new system". Its happened before.

In 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Is someone starting an F Duke bandwagon? Sign my up. F Duke. F Dallas. F DA.

Posted by: dcsween | March 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Also by the way... Colt will not and should not receive an opportunity to be our starting QB... he is terrible and has a bad cocky attitude... which is odd since hes done absolutely NOTHING... at all in his nfl career. No, he will be released and not picked up by anyone because... you guessed it... hes not a good QB.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Remember Grossman went to Florida. How can we go wrong with a QB from Florida?

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Will you be re-posting this on draft day?

Posted by: closer44 | March 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles have cut Shawn Andrews.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 17, 2010 2:18 PM

F the Eagles.

Posted by: dcsween | March 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 17, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So to be another first time poster comming out of the woodwork for this one. This signing gave me an interesting flashback of draft coverage when Rexxy was taken by Chicago. Jon Jansen was a guest commentator, and when the pick was made, he blasted it saying that wasn't even close to as good with Patrick Ramsey whom we got with the second to last pick of the first round. (forgive the accuracy of my memeory, but that was the gist)

BTW: I've always thought, and still do to this day that Ramsey got a raw deal with Gibbs. We wasted 2 solid years on Brunnell who couldn't throw more than 15 yds.

Posted by: darbs77 | March 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

LH, I almost responded to you "Oh yeah? When have your beloved Tar Heels won anything?" and then remembered... sigh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

In 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

6-2 in 2008 suggests he did successfully grasp the "system" and 2009 he put up decent numbers when he wasn't pulling turf out of his facemask.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

As a Durham native can I drive the F*ck Duke bandwagon? The students there are the most obnoxious, self-entitled a-holes walking the face of the earth. The bartenders also say they are the worst tippers by far. They stand out like a soar thumb, if you see a group of duke guys they are all wearing this:
1. Khaki pants
2. blue button up shirt tucked in
3. Sperries

And the girls go to sportsbars wearing prom dresses.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 17, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Don't sign Shawn Andrews... Hell, Philly brought his own brother Stacy Andrews thinking this would help him & he still just did his own thing... he got no heart for the game.

Posted by: tony325 | March 17, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

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