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Larry Johnson move: a special teams shortage or running game frustration?

After months of organized team activities, minicamps, training camp, four preseason games and two games to begin the regular season, the Redskins suddenly realized Larry Johnson does not play special teams? And now they cannot afford the luxury of two backs who don't?

Johnson's agent, Peter Schaffer, said a Redskins official told him that Tuesday's decision to release the two-time Pro Bowler was necessitated by the team's need to sign another player for special teams. Supposedly, several players who participate on special teams are injured, and the Redskins eventually might reveal that information.

Two sources familiar with the situation said Tuesday that Washington had signed Chad Simpson, a third-year pro who spent 2008-09 with Indianapolis, where he returned 53 kickoffs. Third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas has impressed as Washington's primary returner, averaging 28.4 yards with a long gain of 42 yards. Perhaps the addition of Simpson is an indication Coach Mike Shanahan plans to use Thomas more on offense. A starter last season, Thomas has had no role on offense to this point under Shanahan.

But if the Redskins apparently thought so little of Johnson to release him after two games and only five rushes (he gained two yards), why include him on the opening 53-man roster in the first place? After Johnson struggled in his first preseason appearance, we wrote that there was concern within the organization about the running back position, and that it would not have been surprising if neither Willie Parker nor Johnson made the roster out of the preseason.

Johnson rebounded with a strong performance in his next outing against the New York Jets, which was apparently was enough for him to solidify his standing with the team -- until yesterday.

Several of Johnson's teammates were disappointed to learn of his release. Johnson's off-field issues are well-documented, but players said he did everything the Redskins coaching staff asked of him and was a good teammate.

Also, Johnson's release does not address the core problem with Washington's ineffective running game: the offensive line. Top back Clinton Portis has a 3.1-yard average on 31 rushes, and the Redskins produced 18 yards on 17 carries (a 1.1-yard average) in the 30-27 loss in overtime to the Houston Texans.

The offensive line's poor play has been a growing concern internally for some time, according to team sources who have watched as the first-team group has struggled during practice. With three new starters, the line already was in a state of flux to start the preseason. And that was before left guard Derrick Dockery was in danger of losing his starting job to Kory Lichtensteiger, who was out of football last season after being waived by the Minnesota Vikings in late September.

The coaching staff believes Dockery is a bad fit for Shanahan's zone blocking scheme, according to multiple people familiar with the situation. Right tackle Jammal Brown has not yet regained his Pro Bowl form after sitting out the entire 2009 season because of injuries, gifted rookie left tackle Trent Williams could miss Sunday's game against the St. Louis Rams because of knee and toe injuries, right guard Artis Hicks probably would be more effective in a backup/swing role and cerebral center Casey Rabach struggles against the league's big nose guards.

As evidenced by the Redskins' many open receivers against Houston, Shanahan is still second to none at scheming offensively. There's a reason some of his former assistants respectfully refer to him as "Moses." But there's only so much Shanahan can do with smoke and mirrors to help the running game.

By Jason Reid  | September 22, 2010; 8:44 AM ET
Categories:  Larry Johnson, Offensive line, Special teams  
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ryp, disagree 1000 percent, FD had 2 guys across from him, he tried to chip the outside, and block the inside....sure not the greatest effort, but of all the things to focus on, I'm thinking the defense giving up well over 500 yards, and the lack of defensive adjustments, would be one of the first things I look at...but thats just me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 8:52 AM

Greg - obviously, the defense was a big problem, but it's not like we were playing the Bills. Houston is gonna put those numbers up on everyone all year. Adjustments should have been made, sure, but if they don't complete the 4th and 10, I think we're all mostly satisfied with the victory. Not to mention AH being out, Moore being out, and Landry being out for the critical play in OT.

I was more referring to those 'single' plays that could/SHOULD have changed the outcome of the game.

From what I remember, Davis didn't stick his hand out to the outside. I think he should have managed a way to delay the rushers for .25 seconds more, which would have been enough.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

With all the problems that your "sources" say are wrong with our O-line, I'll still take this O-line over last years version. Our O-line is so bad we only allowed DMac to throw for 400+ yards. Hater.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | September 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Here's a WTF stat:

from NFL.com (as of 9/22/10)

9 Brandon Lloyd DEN WR 8 170 21.3

11 Santana Moss WAS WR 16 166 10.4

21 Chris Cooley WAS TE 9 144 16.0

Weren't all these guys in the same offense not too long ago?

Let me guess: B Lloyd's rap carrer blew up, and now he's trying to get street cred as a killa NFL receiver.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 22, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Always knew Brandon Lloyd would be a superstar one day

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

haha, moses, wtf?

I'm thinking Shsnahan's ego is stroked on a daily basis in Ashburn.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The Oline isn't perfect, but they should be able to get the job done. It takes time for the line to come together. It's a hard sell for me to buy into Oline woes in the running game.

Posted by: TWISI | September 22, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse


Are you having chinese for breakfast hess?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:07 AM |

Yes, and my fortune cookie says the Redskins will beat the Rams by 10 points. Cook it !

Posted by: hessone | September 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

pa, yeah last night on NFL Network...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 9:16 AM

Nice...so you can begin discussing the game now? haha

I was gonna re-watch the game last night...but chose Boardwalk Empire instead...I liked the show better...but both had exciting endings.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The line is NOT the problem in the running game. If you look at Houston's offense last year, and even this year, they all are among the league's worst in attempts and yards.

This is Kyle's offense, not Mike's. But, I suspect if this continues, we'll commit to running a bit more.

Posted by: MadeRED | September 22, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

the main problem with the running game is not the offensive line. its portis. WASHED UP!!!

Posted by: slim4 | September 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Johnson played against 2nd and 3rd team Jets when he looked good- he's on the conveyor belt to the pasture.
Agree with Bean that Jim Haslett's zone D is highly suspect and full of more holes than Bonnie and Clyde's last dance- Vick will MAO like a big dog on the defense that showed up Sunday. Entire team played too streaky and inconsistently, having huge great moments and huge letdowns..If this is to be our Sunday menu, have the CPR unit on standby..Maybe watch the game on a cheap, disposable set, too..

Posted by: frak | September 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Is Williams going to be the next Shanahan nameless RB to put up big numbers?

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Mental, lazy mistakes like Davis' lack of blocking for the FG are the kind of plays that kill a team tryin to gain respect in the NFL. One thing is you getting beat. I can take that (Doughty). Drives me nuts when a player half-tries like Davis did. What a clown.

Skins : 35
Rams : 17

Posted by: mustang_johnny1 | September 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


There is a lot of work that needs to be done on the FG unit. I hear Danny Smith is a great ST coach, but we have had nothing but struggles from his teams.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 22, 2010 9:07 AM |

4 FG's made out of 7 attemps = not good at all.

Mistakes here all around. 1 blocked, 2 bad snaps with one resulting in no points, and 2 flat out misses. The 52 yard miss is excused, but this unit needs to get consistent in making FG's, not screwing up.

Posted by: hessone | September 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

ha, pa, thats right, only now can I comment...

ryp, I guess my bigger point is that it was one of many plays that didn't go our way....I'm not certain that you can lay blame for the loss on FD EXCLUSIVELY....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Is Williams going to be the next Shanahan nameless RB to put up big numbers?

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 22, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Man I hope so. If not, we could always swap Albert for Spiller straight up...~

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"Perhaps the addition of Simpson is an indication Coach Mike Shanahan plans to use Thomas more on offense. A starter last season, Thomas has had no role on offense to this point under Shanahan."


Wow Reid...way to just make sh*t up. Drawing a parallel like that is a stretch at best. All that's been said is that Simpson is here to play special teams...not that he'd be the primary KR. They could plug him in on the coverage units, where he won't even touch the ball. Either way, it's got NOTHING to do with what Thomas is doing/not doing.

If Shanahan is as unhappy with DT as we think he is, the only way he gets a bigger role on offense is if A) he starts showing more in practice or B) the WR corps gets banged up badly. Otherwise, just be happy with his return numbers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sad when the only gripe you can come up with about the new regime is that they should have dumped the washed-up LJ weeks ago.

They were obviously concerned about Portis' long term health, which is why they brought in LJ to begin with. Portis has shown he is healthy again, so LJ is gone because he can't do a thing for them. Keiland Williams is a better RB at this point and both he and Simpson can play special teams for them.

Are you seriously complaining about they team's official explanantion? They were just being nice. Would you rather they have said " We cutting Larry Johnson because he is totally washed up"?

Posted by: Jason10 | September 22, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Based on a piece over at PFT, it looks like the Vikes are way ahead of everyone else in the VJax sweepstakes:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/22/report-chargers-want-second-round-third-round-pick-for-jackson/

Apologies if someone else has already posted this up in here.

Posted by: manlius1 | September 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Vick blows

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Last I checked he wasn't in prison anymore. Oh well....

Posted by: monk811 | September 22, 2010 9:21 AM

Oh...you're right monk...Vick stinks.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"Are you having chinese for breakfast?"


Am I having Chinese for breakfast?

Sure.

One Yung Ho is down between my legs right now.

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad pun groan to shouts of "Racist" and "Anti-Asian" as Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks his noodle, er, tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Moe: my gay friend loves traveling to Asia.

His favorite place?: Bangkok, of course.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 22, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Really we should be giving atta boys to KW. UFA to #2 RB. Given Shanny's love for vert players, KW must be showing him he can be a good back in this system.

Posted by: TWISI | September 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Based on a piece over at PFT, it looks like the Vikes are way ahead of everyone else in the VJax sweepstakes:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/22/report-chargers-want-second-round-third-round-pick-for-jackson/

Apologies if someone else has already posted this up in here.

Posted by: manlius1 | September 22, 2010 9:36 AM |
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I just heard, I believe Chris Russell on the radio reporting that the Vikes have a one year offer on the table. However, the Redskins have a long term deal on the table. V Jackson and his Agent can choose the offer and team they want. But the Chargers still want a high pick for him.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Danny HAD to frie someone, punter, no, kicker, no, L J, cut

special teams shortage? are you kidding we have brandon banks he could single handedly play all 11 positions

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Good morning pabrian.

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

rocco, while I'd like to add a player of VJ's ability to the team, not at the cost of a 2nd and a third...

he can go to Minnesota for this year, then we'll sign him in the offseason....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

JReid, I typically don't bash you, but, "C'mon Maaaaaaaaan!"

There was no reason to not keep LJ and give him a few more weeks of practice reps, even if those were limited, and as insurance since CP hadn't played in a while and we had Dallas in week 1 (a potential body bag game). I'm not saying CP is tearing it up on the ground, but he's still fighting, and chipping, and looks like he's servicable. Of the cuts, I don't think anyone significant has been snatched up, LJ would have been. A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the...

And who cares what team officials told his agent. Or better yet, what the Agent told you team officials told him. Quit being a negative nelly, glass half full, j.o. beat writer and just report the facts.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | September 22, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I just heard, I believe Chris Russell on the radio reporting that the Vikes have a one year offer on the table. However, the Redskins have a long term deal on the table. V Jackson and his Agent can choose the offer and team they want. But the Chargers still want a high pick for him.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 22, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

If Redskins wanted VJax, he would've been a Skin weeks ago. I dont think the Redskins are really interested in VJAX. Sure, Vjax would be a great additional talent wise but his attitude and off field problems may make him Haynesworthless.

Posted by: demonj21 | September 22, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Vick blows

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Last I checked he wasn't in prison anymore. Oh well....

Posted by: monk811 | September 22, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I just heard, I believe Chris Russell on the radio reporting that the Vikes have a one year offer on the table. However, the Redskins have a long term deal on the table. V Jackson and his Agent can choose the offer and team they want. But the Chargers still want a high pick for him.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 22, 2010 9:46 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...where did you see that it was the Redskins that have a long-term deal on the table? PFT said "a team"...not any one team in particular.

I'm with Greg...I want VJ was much as anybody, but not at that cost. If we could talk 'em down to a 2nd and a conditional late-round pick I could live with that, but a 2 and a 3 is steep for a guy that's never even topped 70 catches--especially when you take into account that we got a franchise QB for the same price...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's all a work-in-progress folks , & that includes the OL (which includes at least 2 starters who would at best be back-ups on half the teams in the league) ,which I agree is much improved over last years joke but still aint there yet ... And we fans need to be ready 'cause it's gonna be like this all season , this is a REBUILDING year , those instant worst-to-first stories just dont happen very often ... Give ShanAllen some time, it'll come ...

Posted by: RoidRage | September 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

With the offense coming alive last week, I don't think we should panic as much and reach for an overrated player like VJax. Galloway looked improved, Armstrong made 2 or 3 tough catches, Moss and Cooley are still lighting it up, even Williams and Davis are getting into the mix. I wouldn't send a 2nd for VJax, we have enough holes to fill on this team, we can't go into the draft with just a 1st, and then pick again in the 5th, that would suck. But then again, I'm used to it.......

Posted by: monk811 | September 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

When did Vincent Jackson become the second coming? I've got to give props to his agent; he's successfully marketed Jackson into a position as the most overrated WR in the league.

He's an average #1, good #2 WR - yet he's being touted on the same level as guys like Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. He's nowhere near worth (a) what the Chargers are asking, or (b) what his contract demands are.

Anything higher than a 3rd round pick is larceny. The Vikings are desperate, but the Redskins shouldn't be.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Fellow fans, we really can't be mad right now at the o-line or backfield situaiton. This is a direct result of poor decisions in the front office during the Vinny/Dan era. We should have drafted at least two young running backs some time ago. The offensive line was ignored here for a DECADE for God's sake. So, now the 2010 Skins will suffer due to past decisions. Not the end of the world though, at the least we will be competitive if not be in the wild card hunt come December barring major injuries. Take the competency now on the sideline on Sundays with Shannahan, and be glad we can now watch four quarters of an efficient, well run NFL product. We could not say that the last two years. Hopefully Shanny and Allen can make some savvy roster moves going forward.

Posted by: LaLa12 | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

effing vick

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Man the voice of reasoning psps23 on Vincent Jackson. Totally agree. His asking price is way too high, and the ROI would not be worth it. Shanny needs to let Devin Thomas play. With all of these passing schemes the Shannys are devising, DT would be lethal if he can get the ball in the open field! Did you guys see playbook on NFL network breaking down our passing game! Boy, can't wait for Sunday!

Posted by: LaLa12 | September 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

re: Larry Johnson

Well, you can't get worse than what we saw out of LJ in the first two games. Maybe this gives Keiland Williams his shot to make a name for himself.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

i think it will end up being A and D, with Portis as 3rd down back or a blocking back next season unless he can start producing and we could use him as trade bait for a AP type back

Posted by: warriorking1112 | September 22, 2010 1:53 AM

I don't thin Portis has any trade value. I just look at all these big name running backs over the last number of years that haven't ever been able to catch on anywhere. Portis is to old with too much mileage to be effectively traded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

When did Vincent Jackson become the second coming? I've got to give props to his agent; he's successfully marketed Jackson into a position as the most overrated WR in the league.

He's an average #1, good #2 WR - yet he's being touted on the same level as guys like Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. He's nowhere near worth (a) what the Chargers are asking, or (b) what his contract demands are.

Anything higher than a 3rd round pick is larceny. The Vikings are desperate, but the Redskins shouldn't be.

Posted by: psps23


Co-sign. Can't figure out why everyone is drooling all over dude like he's an elite receiver. He isn't. Talented, yes. Creates, mismatches due to his height, yes. But elite he is not.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Bwood.....

Totally agree with ur reply to my post

Portis will be a yr older n he walks........

Carter walks..... he's a 4 3 de, could be trade bait

Haynesworth hopefully shows up the nest 3 weeks n then is gone by the trade deadline...

Wairrorguy....

Hawk n long are two players I'm not sure we need.

Id prefer long over hawk

I would really like someone of the mold of sergio kindle minus fractured skull

We need a pass rushing threat opposite orakpo so they can stop keyin in on him

As for Vjackson...

Ok so a 2nd n 3rd is way too much???

In the same draft yes, but if its this n next id consider

Think bout it, what hahve our picks brought us before shanny????

A 2nd n 3rd could be like this.......

Malcolm kelly 2nd rnd, chad rinehard 3rd rnd......

You guys are telling me you'd rather have them then Jackson???

Mrivin sprinked some sugar in ur guys cereal.....

I say give them a 2nd next yr n a conditional 4th to 3rd the following

Vikes want jackson as a rental, they can't really afford there team once a salary is back in place..

He have the money, its dans you tightwads, who cares.....

I say pay him what he wants n make it happen.

Our new FO is gonna make smart moves....

Trading picks n acquiring starters....

Renegotiating contracts to free up salary for the new cap....

Man were a really franchise now.

Let's go get that next building block.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Is anybody else getting fed up with Phillip Buchanon?

Dude hasn't returned a punt in two games so far and is letting receivers run loose in the secondary far too often.

I'd rather go with Barnes at nickel and let him get up to speed. I have a feeling this kid can play if he learns how to stay healthy.

At this point, I'd feel more confident with Smoot at nickel than PB&J.

Posted by: elfreako | September 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

He's an average #1, good #2 WR - yet he's being touted on the same level as guys like Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. He's nowhere near worth (a) what the Chargers are asking, or (b) what his contract demands are.

Anything higher than a 3rd round pick is larceny. The Vikings are desperate, but the Redskins shouldn't be.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM


Somewhat agree with your last point, need to clarify your first one.

Nobody's calling this guy "the second coming". He's just a very good physical specimen that appears to fit what Shanahan is looking for from his WRs. I haven't heard anyone say this guy is in Marshall's league and I'm certainly not one of them.

That's why I think the Chargers are screwing the pooch on this...you can't tell VJ that he's not worth Marshall money and then turn around and ask for Marshall compensation in a trade. Can't have it both ways...

For the Redskins though...it's a trade worth making FOR THE RIGHT PRICE. Regardless of what you think of him, there's no debating he's better than anything we have right now. A 2nd and a 3rd is too much. If you can get him for a 2nd alone, it's totally worth it...especially if you consider he's a former 2nd round draft pick himself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

his agent; he's successfully marketed Jackson into a position as the most overrated WR in the league.

He's an average #1, good #2 WR - yet he's being touted on the same level as guys like Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. He's nowhere near worth (a) what the Chargers are asking, or (b) what his contract demands are.

Anything higher than a 3rd round pick is larceny. The Vikings are desperate, but the Redskins shouldn't be.

Posted by: psps23


Co-sign. Can't figure out why everyone is drooling all over dude like he's an elite receiver. He isn't. Talented, yes. Creates, mismatches due to his height, yes. But elite he is not.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:21 AM

I agree. Dude has massive yards per catch but with inly 3 years of numbers he's never caught more than 68 balls. I'm still not sure why we have so many people on here think we should pull a Vinny and overpay for this guy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

red.....

I'm drolling cuz he was the 3rd option to pass to in SD n he still topped 1000 yrd n 9 td......

I looked up the stats. He had more tds then all our wrs put together last yer...

You say he's not elite n cite that as a reason to not take him....

Were grabbing guys that were nediocre at best to try to improve n you think he won't help????

I'm tryin to understand if you don't think we should take him cuz of the $$$$ or cuz what we gotta give up to get him cuz there no way we couldn't use his service....

Our wrs r crummy right now.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

psps23

"The Vikings are desperate, but the Redskins shouldn't be."

Agreed, 'cept I'd say the vikes need a solid young quarterback more than another wide receiver.

Why they are considering letting themselves get fleeced by adding VJAX to satisfy Favre's one year tenure blows my mind.

They get S Rice back in time, so why add Jax?

Their issues lie with their offensive line not runblocking well as they've become a passing team.

VJAX would only accelerate that issue for them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 22, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Phil Rivers:

Through 2 games (@ KC, vs. Jacksonville)

65% completion percentage
630 yards
5 TDs


I don't they're terribly missing Vincent Jackson.

Right now they have some dude named Naanee in there right now (who had a better game against a stronger secondary in K.C., but was held to 1 reception against Jacksonville). Not saying he's Vincent Jackson talented, but he's filling in nicely.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Is anybody else getting fed up with Phillip Buchanon?

Posted by: elfreako | September 22, 2010 10:23 AM


I was never wild about that pickup to begin with.

He's a bit of a journeyman, never lived up to his draft status, and all I've ever heard about the guy over the years is that he's soft. Not exactly what you want out of your nickel corner.

I like him alright if he's the 4th or 5th CB and plays a role on special teams, but I just think he's way too high on our depth chart.

Here's hoping Champ Bailey hits FA next year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Fellow fans, we really can't be mad right now at the o-line or backfield situaiton. This is a direct result of poor decisions in the front office during the Vinny/Dan era. We should have drafted at least two young running backs some time ago. The offensive line was ignored here for a DECADE for God's sake. So, now the 2010 Skins will suffer due to past decisions. Not the end of the world though, at the least we will be competitive if not be in the wild card hunt come December barring major injuries. Take the competency now on the sideline on Sundays with Shannahan, and be glad we can now watch four quarters of an efficient, well run NFL product. We could not say that the last two years. Hopefully Shanny and Allen can make some savvy roster moves going forward.

Posted by: LaLa12 | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign.

...and F Dallas.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | September 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"Johnson was largely unproductive in the preseason, but made the team anyway."~yesterday Reid/Svrluga

"Johnson rebounded with a strong performance in his next outing against the New York Jets, which was apparently was enough for him to solidify his standing with the team -- until yesterday."~today Reid

so, he was unproductive and yet had a strong performance?

maybe, the coaches were just confused

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Right now they have some dude named Naanee in there right now (who had a better game against a stronger secondary in K.C., but was held to 1 reception against Jacksonville). Not saying he's Vincent Jackson talented, but he's filling in nicely.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:29 AM

Can we trade for that dude then?

Posted by: PlayAction | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think that V Jackson would be a great addition for the right price. Getting him, will allow us to use Santana in Slot even more. Even getting V Jacks, I still think we should target one of the huge recievers coming in the draft next year....AJ Green, Julio Jones. Put them across from V Jacks, with Tana in slot. We will have a squad.

I think playing in this kind of system would elevate VJ's ability. But only for the right price. If it involes shipping Albert out of town, im all for it.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

if they could move players instead of picks, then I'd be for it...AH, and a 3rd in 2012....giddy up...and I know they play a 3-4, but AH could play DE...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Campbell....

Shouldn't we not get him because he hasn't caught 100 pases???

How many receivers have?????

When was the last time we had a 70 catch wr?????

I don't remember us having a deep threat besides moss ala 4 yrs ago???

That one dude had more scoring that our group of wr....

You guys are hating on him cuz the picks n money...

Dude can produce, he's a football player, they get paid to perform

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The next "play" Buchanon makes will be his FIRST with the Skins...just sayin.

Posted by: elfreako | September 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Regardless of what you think of him, there's no debating he's better than anything we have right now."

I'll debate that. Santana Moss is a better receiver than Jackson, and there isn't a sliver of doubt in my mind about that. Jackson has been 'lucky' (for lack of a better word) enough to be on a team that has had a phenomenal supporting cast for the past few years, and that, coupled with playing in the weakest division in football, has allowed him to post some nice stats. He's got some talent, no doubt, though.

But he's not better than Moss. I'll bet this year that Moss, playing with McNabb under Shanahan, will post a better single season than Jackson ever has.

Now Jackson is certainly better than all the receivers behind Moss, but again, that isn't worth a 2nd round pick to upgrade - especially for his contract demands, suspension, and the possibly looming lockout coupled with his age.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

They get S Rice back in time, so why add Jax?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 22, 2010 10:27 AM


I've racked my brain trying to figure out why exactly the Vikes would even entertain this thought, let alone go thru with it.

Their line has fallen off a cliff, their QB's deal with the devil expired and now looks every one of his 41 years-old, and they can't score worth a damn. Even if they were only a WR away, by the time VJ comes off suspension, learns the playbook, practices enough to be even somewhat effective in a game, they'll get Sidney Rice back...effectively negating the need for VJ altogether. Plus they're gonna have to consider that VJ is gonna wanna get paid...and they have guys like Sidney Rice, Ray Edwards, and a few others that should be in line ahead of VJ for that pay day. There is literally NO good reason to make this move from their perspective.

Which probably means they'll do it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Rocco totally agree.....

Jackson as 1, moss in the slot, a young rookie to learn under both at X.

Shanny will get us a playmaker this yr

Think mccluster or jahvid best

2 guys I thought we coulda took if we had any picks this past yr

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Campbell....

Shouldn't we not get him because he hasn't caught 100 pases???

How many receivers have?????

When was the last time we had a 70 catch wr?????

I don't remember us having a deep threat besides moss ala 4 yrs ago???

That one dude had more scoring that our group of wr....

You guys are hating on him cuz the picks n money...

Dude can produce, he's a football player, they get paid to perform


Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:33 AM

My point was about overpaying for a guy with those numbers. What he and the Chargers are asking is overpaying.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

el, he had a pass breakup versus houston, during the continuation of the play, LL ABSOLUTELY SMOKED the diving receiver....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

VJax = Wouldn't give up anything more than a late round pick.

The guy is one DWI away from being suspended for an entire year! He also wants $30mil guaranteed...

I think I would pass up on that...

We should have made a move for Hank Baskett yesterday when he got cut. He's a 6'4" WR that McNabb has made look pretty good in the past.

Posted by: Skins1 | September 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Fellow fans, we really can't be mad right now at the o-line or backfield situaiton. This is a direct result of poor decisions in the front office during the Vinny/Dan era. We should have drafted at least two young running backs some time ago. The offensive line was ignored here for a DECADE for God's sake. So, now the 2010 Skins will suffer due to past decisions. Not the end of the world though, at the least we will be competitive if not be in the wild card hunt come December barring major injuries. Take the competency now on the sideline on Sundays with Shannahan, and be glad we can now watch four quarters of an efficient, well run NFL product. We could not say that the last two years. Hopefully Shanny and Allen can make some savvy roster moves going forward.

Posted by: LaLa12 | September 22, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. Our last regime's answer to the o line was to go get Dockery pack. Are you f'ing serious?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Brandon Marshall through 2 games.
12 catches 124 yds 0 TDs.

VJ is legit and by far the best available WR. He would be a great fit in this offense. If that's VJ instead of Galloway on the long bomb then he grabs it.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What about sending them DT to sweeten the deal for VJ?

Posted by: skinswillwin | September 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

brown, he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. It doesn't matter where he was selected in the draft, teams reach for guys all the time. Malcolm Kelly was a 2nd round pick, do you think the 'skins can get a 2nd for "The Glassy Knoll"?


brandon, I don't think they should overpay for Jackson. The Chargers are asking for a 2nd AND a 3rd -- yeah right. And you say he was the third option?

Besides Gates (and I wouldn't call him option #1) who was ahead of him? He had 68 catches, Gates had 79 (not a big difference), Malcolm Floyd was a distant third with 45.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

And we fans need to be ready 'cause it's gonna be like this all season , this is a REBUILDING year , those instant worst-to-first stories just dont happen very often ... Give ShanAllen some time, it'll come ...
Posted by: RoidRage

This is a very calm and sensible attitude for someone called RoidRage.

Posted by: NYPDee | September 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Psps23....

Ok so your satisifed with us have one decent receiver????

Isn't there usually atleast 2 on the feild???

Sometimes teams get really crazy n have 3 or 4 out there!!??!!

What a crazy concept having more than one good player at a position....

Who woulda thought, you can have more than one reciever

Dude, its not a question of moss vs jackson its a question of moss n jackson vs moss n no jackson

With jackson they both have a great yr, moss will be good without him but nobody else is gonna step up, n that's ur analysis not mine.....

Campbell, are your pockets linked to big dans????

Its not our millions brother, let big danny blow it away

He blows his dough n we finally get a playmaker defenses with atleast have to show respect for

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Yes he did Beantown but he's given zilch as a PR... even ARE did his electric slide for 2 or 3 yards in between fair catches.

It might be time to activate Banks in the coming weeks. We could use his return ability vs PHI, GB and INDY.

Posted by: elfreako | September 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

But he's not better than Moss. I'll bet this year that Moss, playing with McNabb under Shanahan, will post a better single season than Jackson ever has.

Now Jackson is certainly better than all the receivers behind Moss, but again, that isn't worth a 2nd round pick to upgrade - especially for his contract demands, suspension, and the possibly looming lockout coupled with his age.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:37 AM


While I hope you're right about Moss, he's a tweaked hammy away from us being destitute at WR. Relying on Moss alone in the passing game is about as wise as the Skins relying on Samuels and Randy Thomas coming off injury to key the O-line last year. We all know how that ended...

I get that DMac spreads the ball around, effectively masking the need for a true #1 WR. But if Moss and/or DMac go down (as they have in recent years), we're not even competitive.

Again...never wanna overpay for VJ. But I think we should make a run at him if the price is right and I think he's better than some up here are willing to admit. Truth is, we don't know what his asking price is because the numbers that have been floated out there by the Chargers are deliberately inflated to tank interest. Either way, if you've ever been in a negotiation you know that the asking price and the sale price are often very different...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"Ok so your satisifed with us have one decent receiver????"

As long as McNabb puts up 400 yard passing days with these receivers, then sure. At least enough so that we don't panic and throw a 2nd rounder in a very questionable move.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

stu, that isn't fair.

Brandon Marshall is learning a new system and in week 1 he had 8 receptions. Henne only had 9 completions against the Vikes -- 4 of em went to Marshall.


Charge Jackson's slow start to the system and not his skill set.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Red..

A 2nd n 3rd are definetly too much...

I think he won't be moved until week 6

They get rid of him after holdin off aslong as possible

That actually is better for us, the longer they out the less they get back in return

Gates was there 1 option, then screens to sproles or lt(no mas) then jackson

Last yr wr tds......

Moss 3 tds
Kelly 0 tds
A.R.E. 0 tds
DT 3 tds

Moss had the same number of catches with 200 less yds n 6 less scores.....

But that's because jackson was lucky to be on the chargers....

I can see it now, the asterik on the HoF head of players who were lucky to be on good teams lol

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Redskins will pick up Vincent JAckson...

Book it!

(There is an unnamed team also in pursuit and have a long term deal in place)

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Ok ya mcnabb put up 400 n that's amazing, I'm estatic about it honestly....

I'm more concerned with the plays left on the field.....

The points left out there, as dmac would say

The fade to armstrong, week one, coulda be a td

The dropped bomb to galloway another missed td

How much more on mcnabbs jock would we all be if both of those were scores???

If we had those as tds we would be the suprise of the league

Mcnabb needs a big target, he utilizes them well. Think mcnabb to TO, as much as I hated them at the time man they were doing work.....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

so, he was unproductive and yet had a strong performance?

maybe, the coaches were just confused

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Cosign, I don't understand the whole Larry Johnson hype.

Posted by: monk811 | September 22, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

A WR is only as good as his QB. Look at guys like Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin, and Brandon Marshall. All 3 have garbage QB's and thus will have below average stats this year. Jackson here with McNabb and Shanahan would put up huge stats, IMO.

Posted by: mattylight | September 22, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Its not our millions brother, let big danny blow it away


Posted by: brandon_in_cali


Really? So if Snyder wants to sign a guy (which he's taken a back seat to), breaks the bank to do it, then the guy plays like sh*t, we as fans are suppose to take solace in the fact that "its not our millions"?


Sorry. Nope. Can't get with that at all. I want the owner, GM, and head coach of my team to be football f-ing geniuses and hit on deals and decisions 99% of the time. You know those Owner/GMs that are always making deals (like the Falcons or Ravens), always making the low key/big payoff deals and astute decisions?


I want my front office to be that way. Not some JV amateurs trying to throw sh*t against the wall to see if it'll stick.


Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

We should have made a move for Hank Baskett yesterday when he got cut. He's a 6'4" WR that McNabb has made look pretty good in the past.

Posted by: Skins1 | September 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious? The best thing about Baskett is his hot PlayBoy Bunny wife, and she's even starting to get fat now. Dude couldn't even recover an onside kick and it bounced right at him. Pass on Baskett and VJax......

Posted by: monk811 | September 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

brown, he isn't worth a 2nd round pick. It doesn't matter where he was selected in the draft, teams reach for guys all the time. Malcolm Kelly was a 2nd round pick, do you think the 'skins can get a 2nd for "The Glassy Knoll"?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:43 AM


While I like the nickname for MK, disagree on VJ...I'm not saying he's worth a 2nd because he was drafted there, just saying it's not a stretch to fetch a 2nd rounder for a guy who was drafted in that same round and has been a productive player. I mean, thousand yard WRs don't grow on trees. As long as we're not giving up much more than that, I don't think it's excessive.

I just love how the same people that bemoan VJ and think we're OK at WR also complain about starting Joey Galloway and think DT should play a bigger role in the offense. Just a bit of a contradiction...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ooowooowwwwww

Check out these stats..... since 2000

There has been 2 times a redskins wr topped 1100 yds.....

2003 lavernus coles 1204 n 6tds

2005 santana moss 1483 9tds.....

So in the last decade we reproduced Vjackson numbers 1 time??????

Oh ya you guys are right.... our wrs are amazing..... we don't need him at all.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ooowooowwwwww

Check out these stats..... since 2000

There has been 2 times a redskins wr topped 1100 yds.....

2003 lavernus coles 1204 n 6tds

2005 santana moss 1483 9tds.....

So in the last decade we reproduced Vjackson numbers 1 time??????

Oh ya you guys are right.... our wrs are amazing..... we don't need him at all.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Its not our millions brother, let big danny blow it away
He blows his dough n we finally get a playmaker defenses with atleast have to show respect for
Posted by: brandon_in_cali

I don't think too many people up here care about greaseball Dan throwing away his money, just about how it affects our ability to sign other players. And those draft picks, if traded, should bring us positions of greater need like RB, LB, OL, etc. We may not love our wide group, but they are far from this team's biggest problem.

Posted by: NYPDee | September 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Johnson's release does not address the core problem with Washington's ineffective running game: the offensive line

The offensive line's poor play has been a growing concern internally for some time, according to team sources who have watched as the first-team group has struggled during practice.

Kory Lichtensteiger, out of football last season after being waived by the Minnesota Vikings

Artis Hicks probably would be more effective in a backup/swing role

yup, we are sooooooooo much better than last year!!!!

Anyone see the San Fran game. Iupati and Davis on the right side of the O line were road grating

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Not some JV amateurs trying to throw sh*t against the wall to see if it'll stick.

Vinny Cerrato say's he hasn't had a carb since 2004, so suck it Derek....he's going to go do karate in the garage....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Ooowooowwwwww

Check out these stats..... since 2000

There has been 2 times a redskins wr topped 1100 yds.....

2003 lavernus coles 1204 n 6tds

2005 santana moss 1483 9tds.....

So in the last decade we reproduced Vjackson numbers 1 time??????

Oh ya you guys are right.... our wrs are amazing..... we don't need him at all.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I don't think anyone here is saying we don't need him, I think everyone's point is that we should only do it for the right price.

We've already lost 2 picks for the McNabb trade, and it wouldn't be prudent to trade 2 more high picks for a good but not great WR. If the Chargers picked up the phone and told Allen we could have VJ for a 4th round pick, believe me, he'd be on the next plane here...

Posted by: mattylight | September 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Good morning pabrian.

Posted by: PlayAction

and the rest of the day to you sir

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Have Chad Simpson return kicks, promote DT11 to wide out. Just my $0.02

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | September 22, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Red, you misunderstood me

I'm saying its not our millions to care about how it goes....

Its our job as FANS to care about WHO it goes too

Snyder has long overpaid overaged underperforming athletes....

Let's get a synder pay off signing that works....

We got a real coach shanny, he's the one who wants jackson

I gotta feeling we are the unnamed team going for jackson, shanny moves work

See mcnabb, jamall brown, adam carriker, also review our draft manuevering

All smart trades that got us starters. If we don't get jackson its because as you said the price is to high, but not because we say its high because shanny does....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"But if Moss and/or DMac go down (as they have in recent years), we're not even competitive."

That's true, but then again we're talking about boosting the corp with VJax who's one misstep away from a season-long suspension.

If this were a Santonio Holmes-type deal, I would do it in a heartbeat. That would be well worth the risk. Holmes got traded for a 4th rounder. The Chargers want at least a second (they're asking for a 2nd and 3rd). Neither of those values are even close to worth it, IMO.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sorry. Nope. Can't get with that at all. I want the owner, GM, and head coach of my team to be football f-ing geniuses and hit on deals and decisions 99% of the time. You know those Owner/GMs that are always making deals (like the Falcons or Ravens), always making the low key/big payoff deals and astute decisions?

I want my front office to be that way. Not some JV amateurs trying to throw sh*t against the wall to see if it'll stick.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 11:03 AM


Hope that 99% is an exaggeration because your boy Ozzie in Baltimore waaaay overpaid for McGahee AND gave up multiple picks to get him. Now he's a backup.

The Falcons burned a top 10 pick on Jamal Anderson (the DE...not the father of "The Dirty Bird") and he's hot garbage. Nobody goes 99%, not even the Pats or the Steelers or the Colts.

I get what you're saying...just don't think that VJ would be an unmitigated disaster like BLloyd.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

stu, that isn't fair.

Brandon Marshall is learning a new system and in week 1 he had 8 receptions. Henne only had 9 completions against the Vikes -- 4 of em went to Marshall.


Charge Jackson's slow start to the system and not his skill set.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Whether hes learning a new O or not shouldn't his overall ability and athleticism win out. Peeps say i cant compare VJ to BM. They are very comparable. They both have only 3 years of big numbers. and BM did it in DEN where he was literally their number 1 and 2 option on offense.
VJ would be such a great fit in this offense. Weve seen what happens when we tryand draft a WR so i say buy one.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Red, you misunderstood me

I'm saying its not our millions to care about how it goes....

Its our job as FANS to care about WHO it goes too

Snyder has long overpaid overaged underperforming athletes....

Let's get a synder pay off signing that works....

We got a real coach shanny, he's the one who wants jackson

I gotta feeling we are the unnamed team going for jackson, shanny moves work

See mcnabb, jamall brown, adam carriker, also review our draft manuevering

All smart trades that got us starters. If we don't get jackson its because as you said the price is to high, but not because we say its high because shanny does....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Its not our millions brother, let big danny blow it away

He blows his dough n we finally get a playmaker defenses with atleast have to show respect for

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:45 AM

Our pockets will be linked when the salary cap comes back. Also the price includes draft picks and I'm not up for giving away multiple draft picks like we have in the past. Also, I'm a conservative so I'm never for just blowing other peoples money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Its not our millions brother, let big danny blow it away

He blows his dough n we finally get a playmaker defenses with atleast have to show respect for

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 10:45 AM

Our pockets will be linked when the salary cap comes back. Also the price includes draft picks and I'm not up for giving away multiple draft picks like we have in the past. Also, I'm a conservative so I'm never for just blowing other peoples money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 22, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

So in the last decade we reproduced Vjackson numbers 1 time??????

Oh ya you guys are right.... our wrs are amazing..... we don't need him at all.......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

--------

In the past decade, how many times has Jackson surpassed 1100 yards?

You're making him out to be something he's not.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I think K Williams has looked impressive all pre-season and last week, he seems to be able to run, catch, and return.

Don't think cutting LJ was the answer, but good for KW.

if we are going to trade anyone for anyone it should be for an O lineman or nothing, still, again.

we've blamed Campbell, Zorn, Portis, LJ, etc. Our line su.....isn't good

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 22, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ Greg...you'll be happy to know my sister came to babysit my 3 year-old daughter and by the time I came home, they nailed down this part:

"Did we just become best friends?"
"Yup!"
"Do you wanna go in the garage and do karate?"
"Yup!"

High comedy, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Tired of hearing about Vincent Jackson. The dude is gonna be on suspension, will be pretty useless until at least 2 weeks AFTER he comes back. This year is a wash for him and I say absolutely no way, this would be the epitome of Mr. Cerrato's awful moves.

No, No, No, and some more NO.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | September 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Guys...

With a F'd up starting O line, no depth at O line, no running game, questionable LB's and Safeties, why would we trade big draft picks for VJAX right now? Yeah, we need some depth at WR, but didn't we just hang 400+ yards passing last week?

We NEED good draft picks next year. We MUST continue to build through the draft. Haven't we learned our lesson about chasing expensive FA's yet?

Save the draft picks. Forget about VJAX.

Plan.

Posted by: edvar | September 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Vincent JAckson is worth it. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSION.

Have you seen who WE have? Outside of Moss...No One....

Bruce Allen will send him our 1st and 5th next year for their 2nd and 6th and VJ....Or some close combo...Championship...

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 22, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

brown, thats right.....oh and beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 22, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"They both have only 3 years of big numbers."

Posted by: Stu##

What 3 years?

VJax has had one year of good numbers, one year of average numbers, and 3 years of Antwaan Randle El.

He isn't close to Brandon Marshall who has 3 straight years of 100+ receptions and 1100+ yards. The two don't compare. You might as well equate Steve Breaston to Greg Jennings with that idea.

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Psps

He did it once, last yr, our best guy, according to you did it once 6 yrs ago.............. are you now helping me prove my point???

Ya the cap with be back butttttttt you guys forget the huge salaries that will be dumped after this yr....

Portis.... gone... hello 8 mill

Moss.... resigned for cheaper or moves on

Haynesworth.... lord knows what he makes a tackle

Next yr those salaries will be replaced with mcnabb, jackson n our first rnd pick

As for the draft picks what are we sacrificing????

A chance that a guy may pan out

Jackson is nfl proven

2nders

Kelly, davis, thomas. One for three with davis a keeper

3rds

Rinehart, barnes. Ill say .5 outta 2 because barnes may have potential as fs

So we got 1.5 players outta 5 picks....... not great odds......

Get a proven guy that shanny was pissed bout when he didn't get him....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"...but players said he did everything the Redskins coaching staff asked of him and was a good teammate."

No he didn't. He sucked and can't play football anymore.

If the players think he did "everything they asked of him" then those players deserve to be cut also.

Hey Redskins players: 4-12

A friend and myself were watching the Dallas game and there was two HUGE holes that Portis stumbled throgh. He got 4 yards and 8 yards. My friend looked at me and said "If that was Chris Johnson, those are both TD's" and he was right. Dude can block but clearly his best days are behind him.

I guarantee that the Skins use thier 1st round pick on a RB. It kills me that people think they are supposed to be UBER dominant after one off-season. Why do I know this? Because all of the Redskins RB's suck, and again, this is why LJ got cut.

Dockery got CUT by Buffalo and Vinny re-signed him a big fat contract. Cut by one of the WORST teams in the NFL. Good ole Vinny...it's going to take a long time to fix everything Vinny screwed up.

Now that's a "WTF?" right MistaMoe. :)

The Redskins are competing, what more can you ask of them right now? This team had no heart last year...none!

I'm tired of all of these bum WP nobodies like Lavar Arrington and Jason Reid contstantly questioning what the coaching staff is doing when they really suck at thier own profession. They need to question themselves and the "sources" aka "janitor" that they talk with.

It's getting old fast. One of the reasons I can't stand to look at Jason LaCanfora on NFL Network. All he ever did was bad mouth our team.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Hank Baskett is no good.

Posted by: manlius1 | September 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

okok those against jackson....

Ill leave it alone for today....

But if we get him u guys gonna get heated at me???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

He did it once, last yr, our best guy, according to you did it once 6 yrs ago.............. are you now helping me prove my point???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | September 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

What's your point? That Jackson is good enough to produce an 1100 yard season once every 5 years, and that's worth a 2nd + a 3rd round pick?

In the words of Keyshawn Johnson, c'mon maaaann...

Posted by: psps23 | September 22, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

damn, brown. I was gonna say 100% but was trying to be rational at the same time. That's why I said 99%.

Of course no one goes 99% or even 90.

Just want for the people making decisions to have a ratio of 10:1 on hits/f-ups. Like those examples you gave, for everyone of those with Newsome and Dmitrioff there are like 10 or higher on the opposite end of the spectrum.

----------------------------------------------------

brandon, this is where the disagreement lies.

"I'm saying its not our millions to care about how it goes....

Its our job as FANS to care about WHO it goes too

Snyder has long overpaid overaged underperforming athletes....

Let's get a synder pay off signing that works....

You and others think that sending picks and tearing up his contract and offering a new one is wise, I and others aren't so sure about it.


Of course NONE of us know. Hell, we don't know if there's an offer on the table. So all this VJ should we/shouldn't we may very well be moot.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

LJ got cut because he runs like gerald riggs on qualudes. LJ hits a hole in the line about as fast as AH hits the stairmaster in the offseason.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | September 22, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Even though I want V Jackson at a non overpriced deal. I still would like to see Devin Thomas get reps. I don't know what he is doing in practice. But I still think the guy has major potential.

Speaking of V Jacks, Sidney Rice, Roddy White, even Miles Austin. These guys took a while to become the guys they are today.

I just rather have Devin on offense proving me wrong. Then having him sit on the bench, with potential written all over him. Devin should be doing fades in the endzone, because he is so strong, and our biggest active reciever. Devin should be running 9 routes down the feild because he is fast.

All Vincent Jackson did in San Diego is run down the field and fight for the football. With or without VJ, I just want to see what Devin can do, with a QB that will give him chances.

Posted by: roccoskins | September 22, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

DMac has made a lot of receivers look good through the years. The Eagles were never that talented at wideout. It was all DMac. He's never been given a running game. Forget WR. We can succeed with what we have. Concentrate on the OLine and RBs. On Defense... let's get some guys in the front 7 that can play a 3-4 defense, otherwise let's go back to a 4-3 which is a better fit for our personnel.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | September 22, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Haven't you all learned:
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off an 'ole Lone Ranger
And you don't argue with psps23

Posted by: learnedhand1 | September 22, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

When youe hire an incompetent yes man as a GM and he uses three second round picks on recievers who to this point have done little to nothing on the field while ignoring your biggest need, the offensive line, what do expect o have today? Thanks again Danny!

Posted by: Riddler1 | September 22, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

2011 OL new lineup:

LT- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
LG- Betty White
C- Coal Miner's Daughter
RG- Glee
RT- Mickelson (non-vegan)

Posted by: ElYeah | September 22, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This seems insane but how about putting Haynesworth on the O-line? Maybe he can play center?

Posted by: richs91 | September 22, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

so much being said on a guy one DUI away from being not avaialble to whatever team he goes to....you know where he's going---nowhere! and if he does, what a deal for him

when you're catching passes from PRivers in a nobody division then even MKelly could put up big numbers...oh yeah, he just pulled his hammy again

CP may have lost a step but noone and I mean noone picks up blitzes like htis guy; he one step lost is still the best we have until KWilliams steps up this year

Ou recent moves indicate Dthomas gets his chance, CSimpson returns kicks and punts unless BB finally gets his shot while CSimpson stays inactive this week

Look for DThomas to have 5 catches fro 60 yds against the Rams if i am right

Posted by: kirkoman | September 22, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas = Jacoby Jones

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

VJ is like a cross between Fergi and Jesus. He's the songbird of his generation. Sometimes he even takes on the form of a unicorn.

Posted by: withoutanet | September 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

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