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Michael Vouches for Abundant Talent; How About You?

Made the mistake of channel surfing the other night and caught a little bit of Redskins Nation, where Larry Michael was pontificating about how much talent the Redskins have.

Michael was sitting there with Jim Zorn, and was quite miffed that a reporter - in this case, Jason Reid (The Mayor) - would question Zorn about the lack of obvious talent at certain positions and point out what a detriment that is to the coaching staff. Michael then proceeded to prompt and cajole Zorn into boasting about the excellent talent procurement we've seen over the years here (Michael managed to do this with a straight face).

Of course, during what amounts to 30-minute infomercial for the team, based on misstatements of fact, no coach is going to publicly call out his boss. So I'll do it for him.

Let's take a whirl around the Redskins roster, compare it to the rest of the division, and put it in a league-wide perspective as well, shall we?

Quarterback: Jason Campbell has been placed with another new coordinator and another new system during a reign of instability and awkward thinking that predates Zorn by more than a decade. Zorn has had half the time to work with him that Al Saunders received, and the kid has made major improvements from a year ago in terms of accuracy, efficiency and consistency, and is the least-intercepted QB in the NFL. And, if you give most coaches the choice of Romo, McNabb, Eli or Campbell, at this stage of their careers, they're taking the older QBs. Pretty obvious there.

Wide Receivers: The Skins' No. 1 WR (Santana Moss) is at best No. 2 on many teams, while Washington's No. 2 (Antwaan Randle El) is not even the No. 3 on many rosters. James Thrash, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly have produced nothing all season. The Skins have no competent wide receiver on the roster with any size (Thomas and Kelly might eventually get there), despite owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato making that their chief concern last offseason, and starting to chase Chad Johnson with open wallets before they had even convinced someone to fill the head coaching vacancy. Then they put together a staff without a head coach, too. So much for logic.

For a West Coast system predicated on a multiplicity of options, you need to have receivers at least capable of gaining separation, running the right route or holding on to the ball. Moss is, at best, in the 15-20 range in terms of the game's best wideouts. He might not start in Dallas; Philly found a younger, more dynamic version of him in this year's draft (DeSean Jackson), and when the Giants had Plaxico Burress. If you put Antwaan Randle El on their roster, he'd be fighting for time with Moss's younger brother as a fourth receiver (Toomer has good size, Hixon is emerging and has more upside). The Redskins devote a ton of money and resources to this position, year after year, but whether it's Taylor Jacbos or Brandon Lloyd or Randle El (who hasn't even managed to make a mark on special teams) or the trio of pass catchers drafted this season, they have received virtually nothing back in return. But it makes perfect sense to blame a coach who has been here for 10 months?

Backs/Tight Ends: This is the deepest spot on the offense, and, not surprisingly, it's the unit Zorn has utilized the most consistently. The run game carried the offense until the old and brittle offensive line broke down again. Chris Cooley has solid numbers of catches and yards, but like everyone on the team can't get in the end zone (a lack of any semblance of another big target in those tight-yardage situations has much to with that, a flaw of talent and roster construction).

Clinton Portis's body might not be built to hold up for 25 carries a game over an entire season anymore, but he just got that $20 million guaranteed so they've made their bed there. Re-signing Betts was smart, but if I'm the front office I'd be signing Marcus Mason back to the practice squad now and getting a jump on him for the future. Fred Davis failed to bolster the tight end depth and could not pass Todd Yoder as Cooley's top backup. The staff envisioned more vertical, two tight-end sets in the red zone this season, with Davis a big target to compliment Cooley, and were never able to actually implement it. Many teams had red flagged Davis for attitude/motivation/maturity concerns, and for much of the season Zorn said Davis did not know how to run routes and sometimes was confused as to whether he should be blocking or getting downfield. Even here, I'm taking Brian Westbrook or Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber before Portis. That's just me.

Offensive Line: Do we really even have to go through it? Stephon Heyer, if he develops into a regular, would be the first offensive lineman developed here since guard Derrick Dockery was picked in 2003. The line was an obvious concern coming into the season, but a massive contract extension given to tackle Jon Jansen in 2006 bound him to the roster for cap reasons, Jason Campbell barely had time to take a five step drop anytime the Skins played a defense with a modicum of a pass rush, and the third round pick, Chad Rinehart, couldn't dethrone Jason Fabini for a lineup spot when injuries flared up (no surprise that guys went down, given the deep injury histories of four-fifth of this line. It's what happens to guys who have been in the trenches this long).

Zorn lost any vertical dimension (which was already limited given only one guy, Moss, who is a threat beyond 30 yards) in the second half of the season due to horrible pass protection, had to run more max protect stuff, and had to use Cooley as a blocking tight end significantly more than he would have desired, considering his tackles required help pretty much all the time once Chris Samuels hurt his knee. New York has the best O Line in the league, Dallas is loaded with Pro Bowlers and Philly has withstood some significant injuries to perform well as a unit. I don't think even Mouthpiece Michael could try to argue this offensive line is anywhere near the top half of the league in production, and this where you win and lose games.

Defensive Line: Again, we can keep this to a minimum. The franchise hasn't drafted one above the fifth round since 1997. The major moves to add push rush in recent years - trading three combined picks for ends Jason Taylor and Erasmus James in 2008; signing end Andre Carter to a hefty contract in 2006 - have been complete failures (Again, try putting that on Zorn). The quarterback pressure this season has been the worst I've seen in five years covering this team, which is saying something considering it's been a significant problem every year I've been here. They don't get sacks and turnovers. They don't make big plays. It's not a Gregg Williams issue or a Greg Blache issue; it's a talent issue. You can't even pretend to try to compare this group to the D Line in Philly, New York or Dallas, so let's not.

Linebackers: Coaches were stunned that given the serious issues at outside linebacker, and the fact the Skins had 10 picks, they didn't come out of the draft with at least one of them. London Fletcher is a warrior in the middle, but he'll also be 34 next season. Rocky McIntosh has serious red flags coming into the draft, and was off the boards of many teams, and sure enough his knees have been a major issue for him all three years in the league, and Cerrato traded up to get him, anyway. Marcus Washington hasn't been healthy since 2004, and most banked on him being out for an extended period of time again this season, and he was. The linebackers have combined for 2½ sacks and 1 INT all season. Probably Zorn's fault.

Secondary: This is the strength of the defense, for sure, loaded with former first-round picks (four at corner, one at safety). Without superior coverage this is a three-win team at best given its lack of pass rush. Carlos Rogers, for a ninth overall pick, however, needs to make more plays on the ball to be truly elite, and the tide toward DeAngelo Hall has become obvious. Doubt they both get paid here. Springs and Smoot are aging and have been injury prone, though when healthy Springs is huge for this defense.

I have a concern that LaRon Landry has yet to take a major step forward. At some point I think he's gotta move back to strong safety. This is a guy drafted sixth overall (in 2006, on Cerrato's watch, not Zorn's) exceedingly high for a safety - to be inside the box and around the ball. His strengths are not in coverage and that's no knock on LaRon. They need him to be a game changer on a defense with so few of them, and that's not what he's been to this point.

Kicker: The Skins rank 31st in field goal percentage, with Shaun Suisham predating Zorn's arrival and the kicker situation in disrepair all decade so ... that's all Z-Man.

Punter: Cerrato drafts a punter high, he gets cut, and Ryan Plackemeier struggles, too. The franchise hasn't had real stability at this position since Tom Tupa suffered a freak back injury in 2005, at which time Zorn was getting Matt Hasselbeck to perform at a Pro Bowl level in Seattle.

So there you have it. It's just as simple as canning another coach, handing him this supremely young, talented dynamic roster and finally getting to the promised land. They're so close, again. Just another high-priced free agent and the right coach away, surely.

It's really shocking that the Skins are in last place in this challenging division given all the superstars here (just because you pay someone to be a superstar, doesn't mean he actually is). Being 7-7 and mathematically alive with two weeks to play, is a travesty given all the tools here. Just blame the coach and keep those acquisitions coming.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 17, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
 
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4th, are you agreeing with the peeps who are saying JLaC changed his tune on both Kendall and Taylor, or are you agreeing with me that he recognized (and reported) that the moves were required out of desperation because of bad planning.

Posted by: dcsween | December 17, 2008 5:06 PM

I thought we established that he inserts his own thoughts in this blog and that this isn't print reporting? And I am seeing that he does analysis, not reporting more often in the paper.

So, I would say calling out revisionist history is in play.

I would say he is double talking regarding Taylor Trade. He sounded neutral to begin with in the Kendall trade, but that gave him leverage to slam the skins for that. And he was already in bash mode then, though we made the playoffs that year, despite losing tragically our best player on the team.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 17, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Is this post what you call a loaded ocean of statements.

Larry Michaels version of Redskins Nation possibbly?

I suspect this post will have 300 - 500 comments by the time I check back in to work in the morning..........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 17, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Dude, do you EVER give it up???? Yet ANOTHER Skins bashing post.

Go spend some time with your family....GEEZ....

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Wow...

Santana isn't a #1 Wide out but is top 15-20 WR in the league. That dosen't 'add' up to me........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 17, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more with Jasno. This is a seriously flawed team that I don't see getting better any time soon.

That said, firing Zorn at this point would certainly be a step-back. Keep Zorn, sign A COUPLE free agents, a build through the draft. It's that simple, 'Skins....

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | December 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

go f yourself

Posted by: DCHeel5 | December 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

went back to 1995 for 4th round picks for the Skins.

9 guys combined for a total of 13 seasons as a starter in the league. Kendall is a 2 year starter. They combined for 220 starts in the NFL (only Sage Rosenfels is still playing) -- or 25 starts average.

Relative to history, Kendall is a good deal.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

In my contribution to the 1st 1,000 comment post in a long time, all I have to say is, I yams what I yams.........

(Too much to agree/disagree with)

Is it me or has the Post concluded the Redskins season? That is the path they have seemed totake. The season isn't over yet. We still have 2 more games. Atleast play the 2 games 1st, then come to a conclusion.......

(One more, Coaches get no blame. It's all Vinny and the players fault unless your name is JC17 and Rock)

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 17, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Given the context (a potential playoff team AND THEY DID GO DIDN'T THEY??) the Kendall trade makes and abundant amount of sense. Rhinehart was his replacement but is so far a bust as Jason describes.

Jason also decried the loss of they guy Kendall replaced REMEMBER???!!! He said they had no one who could replace Dockery when he went to Buffalo. AND HE WAS YOUNG WAS HE NOT?? Who is responsible? Gibbs, Cerratto? For losing Antonio Pierce? Gibbs, Cerrato? Have to think that, unlike with Marty, Cerrato had a real say on things, as did the owner. Its hard to tell ...
Gibbs drafts under Casserly and Bethard were often sparse. Many point at Desmond Howard. But he did help a team get to the Superbowl ... DID HE NOT? Where did Rod Gardner get anyone? Michael Westbrook? HUH???

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Its time for a change at the top that seems clear. I would hazard that 99% of the FO types around the league would anonymously agree.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

You put Jasno and Larry Michael in a room, average them out and you're pretty much accurate. Jasno is overly critical (calling Moss a #2 is just wrong).

This team has talent. But the story is really just 2 things.
1. The OL got old in week 9. They were good for 8 weeks, but buckled against Pitt and haven't been right since. Once the OL stopped working, the offense died.

2. The defense (and teams) can't get turnovers to give the offense short fields and easy scores.

That is really it. If they catch the INTs and the OL remained healthy ... this is a good team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

...JLC speak truth --- Redskins speak with forked tongue ... always remeber The Tuna: You Are What Your Record Says You Are ...

Posted by: bobeaston | December 17, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If they win against Philly it will be the Christmass miracle that Singletary will find abundant pleasure in ruining at New Years.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Dude, do you EVER give it up???? Yet ANOTHER Skins bashing post.

Go spend some time with your family....GEEZ....

Posted by: Lisa_R"

Look, I rip on Jasno all the time. But in this case, he's responding directly to the kiss-@ss Larry Michael's claim that the Redskins are swimming in talent.

I agree with about 95% of what JLa wrote in this post. Anyone who thinks the Skins are incredibly talented is delusional -- unless you don't believe that talented players eventually get old.

Posted by: jcabana | December 17, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

A fourth round pick for Pete Kendall was an overpayment that I groaned at when it was made. The Jets did not want him. Would they have taken less for him? Probably. Let's turn the tables and say how much would someone give us for Cornelius Griffin or Phillip Daniels? These two guys are older vets that are well beyond their good years. If someone were to offer a fourth round pick for either of them they would be gone in an instant. Jansen for a fourth round pick? You bet. He is even younger than Kendall was.

We seem to always swindle ourselves when we trade for other players. We add draft picks or upgrade picks that are traded away that tilt the balance of the trade heavily against us. The last good trader we had was Charlie Casserly. We stole a day's worth of picks from New Orleans one year and wound up with a pretty good cornerback if I remember correctly.

Posted by: driley

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Moss isnt an elite number 1 but its really ridiculous to say hes at best a number 2 on many teams. Come on. At the moment he would be a #1 on the Ravens, Bills, Jags, Chiefs, Dolphins, Jets, Raiders, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Vikings, Giants, Eagles, Seahawks, and Bucs. Thats almost half the teams in the league. And then there are a few arguable ones that I left off. Is he as good as Randy Moss or Andre Johnson? No. But hes a good enough #1 and would be even better if he had a somewhat capable receiver next to him. Randle El is the problem. Hes a number 4 at this point.

Posted by: terpcap6 | December 17, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

People here need to take the Redskins colored glasses off, this team is not good and JLaC is stating facts. Moving out of the DC Area has allowed me to see the team for what it is, an old undermanned unit that lacks creativity and competent management. Just because you are unhappy with the team or critique their moves doesn't make you less of a fan, it means you are using your brain. The people that curse at JLa because he has harsh words for a poorly run franchise are sad and the reason the team will never improve. You keep buying new jerseys and believing everything is fine and the Skins will continue to give you high hopes and crush them every year.

Posted by: bigcountry22 | December 17, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"The last good trader we had was Charlie Casserly. We stole a day's worth of picks from New Orleans one year and wound up with a pretty good cornerback if I remember correctly."

And the only good move he ever made ... we'll even call it great. Except when he helped Betheard put together the "SCAB" squads. This should include the wonderful effort he made for Houston's new franchise ... :)

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Guys if you just read the parts where he quotes Larry Micheal the post really isn't too bad.

Posted by: mack1 | December 17, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

We need something new at the top where the talent is evaluated and chosen. Where long-term planning is supposed to occur and does not. That is not coaching. Coaches have input into it but are typically not the decision makers as it is probably hard for them to remain unbiased ... veteran versus rookie. This appears to be the case now with Erasmus James and the wasted loss of guys like Torrence.

There needs to be change, at the very top. Not so much at the coaching level.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What everyone is forgetting is the NFL will be capless starting next year and will never go back to the cap (as the players have said)...there is ZERO incentive for Danny/Vinny to build through the draft. In fact, it may have been in the back of their mind when they coughed up a 2 for Taylor that they would be operating with out a cap next year. 90% chance they go back to their free-wheeling, free-spending ways. Big bonuses and contracts to Haynesworth, Housh, and many others...get ready for it!

Correction: The only incentive in the draft for the Skins will be to trade as many lower picks as you can to poor teams to move up and get those early 1st rounders no one but the super-rich teams will be able to sign. Welcome to the NFL, post-2008!!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | December 17, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The Skins' No. 1 WR (Santana Moss) is at best No. 2 on many teams,

Hmm, "at best a No.2"?

Moss is a solid No. 2 on nearly every team out there. Which teams have better No. 2 guys than Moss?

Currently, he's 12th in the league in total yards. Tied for 18th in catches. In a 32 team league.

Okay, qualify that with "When he's healthy". When he's not, well, okay he has trouble playing hurt.

A healthy Moss is an upgrade to most beams as a No. 2 guy.

On the other statements, I don't have much to disagree with.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 17, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe folks should the team for what it should become. I'll repeat an earlier post as it reflects what I hope the team looks like in 3 years:

three-headed running attack

speedy slot receiver/kick returner

a defense that can play 3-4 or 4-3 because it has monster linebackers and a killer nose guard

A fired Romeo Crennel managing that defense

young athletic o-lineman

Campbell running a passing game that features deep in-cuts/post-corner routes/a screen game/a big receiver running the skinny post against cover 2

home field advantage-- not a lucky to be there wild card playoff slot


Ans a strong talent evaluator hired from within the division

To be proud of the Washington Redskins...


HAIL !!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 17, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight....Portis is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, but is the worst RB in our division?

I would rather have a new beat writer then Cowher as our head coach.

Posted by: Hindsightis2020forJLC | December 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"At the moment he would be a #1 on the Ravens, Bills, Jags, Chiefs, Dolphins, Jets, Raiders, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Vikings, Giants, Eagles, Seahawks, and Bucs."

I agree with some of those teams, but not all of them.

Moss would not be #1 on the Giants, even without Plaxico. Toomer is a more consistent #1. He is bigger and has better hands.

Jets? Did you forget about Laveranues Coles? He is still a better #1 than Moss.

I used to say I would take the Hawks' Deion Branch or Darrell Jackson, but I'm not sure those two are still any good.

Otherwise, I agree with you. Jasno is underrating Moss somewhat.

Posted by: jcabana | December 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

We need something new at the top where the talent is evaluated and chosen. Where long-term planning is supposed to occur and does not. That is not coaching. Coaches have input into it but are typically not the decision makers as it is probably hard for them to remain unbiased ... veteran versus rookie. This appears to be the case now with Erasmus James and the wasted loss of guys like Torrence.

There needs to be change, at the very top. Not so much at the coaching level.

Posted by: periculum

Joining my conga line?

I doubt we will see Snyder get rid of Vinnie, too much personal history there. But the scouting and evaluation people need to be shown the door, they have been absolute failures, just horrible judges of talent and character. It seems that every intangible that other teams see as red flag issue our stellar group ignores. And this whole concept of what positions to draft for has been just beyond stupid--probably approaching the psychological disorder range.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

DO NOT FIRE ZORN.

This is not his fault, he is a good coach.

www.firecerrato.com

Posted by: SonnyFan | December 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"So let me get this straight....Portis is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, but is the worst RB in our division?

I would rather have a new beat writer then Cowher as our head coach.

Posted by: Hindsightis2020forJLC"

Portis is great, but he's nearing the end of his time as a top-flight RB. The other guys are in their prime, while Portis is showing signs of decline. He gets injured more often, and has obviously worn down this season along with the o-line. Numbers can be deceiving.

Posted by: jcabana | December 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

Now there's a non sequitur.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

*Trade a few players for draft picks
*Draft a DT/DE, G, T, RB,LB
*Free Agent a DT, G, T, LB (all young)
* Not sold on Blache (i would see who esle is out there. He maks some dumb calls sometimes.. But with no pass rush its hard to tell if its his fault
*Oh and by the way.. I am not sold on Horton.. They need to see what other Free Safteys are out there in the draft or FA

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 17, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight....Portis is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, but is the worst RB in our division?

I would rather have a new beat writer then Cowher as our head coach.

Posted by: Hindsightis2020forJLC

My guess is that you have just seen the arc of Portis' career. Next year he will be less effective than this year, slower, more fragile, less likely to play in 8 games. Marion Barber, Felix Jones, Brandon Jacobs will be better next year than Portis. The effecive shelf life for running backs is very short and once the decline starts you very seldom see them return to a peak. 2008 is a year in which you have seen Portis not break any long runs for TD's. He seldom makes players miss beyond the line of scrimmage. He never outruns defenders any more. His value is strictly as a work horse now.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Bush say we won and people believe him and defended him.Yet we still there.
JLS says CP is pretty much done and people defended him (go back and look at the blog post last year). Yet he lead the NFL in rushing most of the season. Sorry I don't go along to get along. If you come with some BS I am going to call you out.

If you need more examples Steve I be more than happy to give them.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 17, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Have you notice that we haven't had any blog post about Hall and the job he has done. Only that he doesn't think he going to sign here. Or that he is going to take Rogers money. JLC bash the skins about their reporting but he is the flip side of it. Shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 17, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

the tubby little d-bag is fired up today!

Posted by: jonthefisherman | December 17, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

If you need more examples Steve I be more than happy to give them.

Opinions about sports and football teams are completely different than opinions about politics or national or international affairs.

The fact that someone knows or doesn't know how to evaluate football talent tells us absolutely nothing about their understanding of foreign policy.

Using your thinking, Bill Parcells - because he's an excellent football evaluator - would be knowledgeable about politics.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice breakdown. I cannot believe people are even considering that Jason Campbell or Jim Zorn are the real problem. It's way too soon to truly evaluate Zorn and I don't think Campbell has the weapons to succeed in the passing game.

I do think that we can say that Campbell can just win despite all of these things ala Brett Farve, but I do think he's good enough to win with.

If this organization wants to have some stability, why in the world would you even consider getting rid of Zorn after only one season?

If Synder takes this approach, why wouldn't he consider getting rid of Cerrato and replacing him with someone who knows how to assemble a real team?

Posted by: bktocali | December 17, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

driley I remember JLC saying that about CP last year. He was wrong then and wrong this year. You both will be proven wrong again next year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 17, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What do these numbers mean:

2.0
2.9
3.1?

Answer: these are the average yards per carry for the last 3 games for Clinton Portis.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think that is driley? I sure it doesn't have anything to do with 8 men in the box to stop the run. That everyone and their grand mother knows if you stop our run game you can beat us. I am sure that has nothing to do with it. Or that the line has not been worth sht. I am sure that has nothing to do with it. Like I said I don't go along to get along even if it is his blog.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I will pin the management of the RB situation on Jim Zorn. He ran CP ragged and didn't get Betts enough touches early in the year. Portis was practically crippled by week 12 and Betts would come in to games cold and put the ball on the ground.

That's on the coaches.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

YES! This post was awesome. As a bitter skins fan I needed someone to express my outrage via totally sweet hyperbole.

Although I disagree w/some of his statements, as fans we need to err on the side of complete, total, delusional anger in the hopes Snyder might hear us and fire Cerrato...but we all know that won't happen...

Posted by: nalsmith | December 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

JLC writes the truth!

Portis looks worn down and broken after every other play. The O-line shortened his career further. Barber and Jacobs are young with solid lines in front of them.

Larry Michael has Kool-Aid of the Mouth.

Posted by: Doublebagger | December 17, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe anyone could look at the team, read this post, and conclude that it's ANTI-Redskin. It's ANTI-Cerrato. Hiring him looked like a crap move when it was first made, and time has only confirmed and re-confirmed most people's first impression. He's a poison pill, and this organization cannot hope to compete in this division with this total hack in charge of acquiring the players.

He's the anti-Beathard, pissing away mid-round draft choices for ancient players on their way down, and drafting incompetently whenever he actually has a pick left. He lucked into Campbell and Cooley. He lucked into Zorn, BIG-time, considering how ass-backwards that hiring decision was made. The rest has been a disaster.

Man! What do you people want to hear, that this is the best team in history? That it wouldn't get crushed (again) in the playoffs (again) even if it somehow magically got the last berth? Pathetic.

If you really support the team, you have to hate Cerrato. You have to hate the front office. You have to hate Larry Michael. They are all worthless and counter-productive.

Posted by: shekb | December 17, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow, to say Moss is not a number one is just plain retarded. How do you explain him posting a 1500yd season in 05 if he's not a number one despite being double covered alot of the time? And he's headed for another 1000yd season this year despite the offensive woes. Defenses specifically game plan for Moss each week. Come on buddy, stop playing Dungeons and Dragons and pay more attention to the games.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Why the bad yards per attempt now?

1. Clinton is used up. Like I said earlier, after 8 games he becomes a shell of what he is when fresh.

2. No passing game. However, when you run for over 20 times like we did against Cincinnatti you have to average more than 3.1 yards per attempt or else you will be facing third and long all the time. If you able to gain 4 yards or more on first down then you have a defense that can not afford to put eight men in the box. After Clinton's tantrum last week Zorn had no choice but to run Clinton on first and second downs. Our offense suffered, our only drive was on a short field.

3. Running behind Fabini and Heyer now. Yuck.
Not Clinton's fault at all.

Betts should be used now instead of Clinton, since he is a better receiver and we don't have a running game anyways. Betts also better speed and fresh legs. Clinton unfortutely has too much influence with people above Zorn for that to happen.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The hamwinkie (JLC) has now become like Bill O'Reilly with his hatred of Olbermann.

He's made the mistake of mentioning Larry Michael and then whining about what Michael says re the Redskins.

Apparently this tubby POS with no writing talent whatsoever is allowed to give his opinion, but Michael shouldn't?

Ha.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

JLC is an idiot! Yes he stated the obvious about the special teams play as well as the O and D lines. For him to say that the Portis is the worst starter in the division is garbage! Barber has never gained a thousand yards in a season yet. Then, to say that Moss is the 15th to 20th WR in the league is crazy. I guess the combo of Hank Baskett and Reggie Brown is better than what the Skins have. To say that Desean Jackson is better than Moss is like saying Donnie Avery is better than Tory Holt. JLC is nothing more than a Zorn apologist. Just because he's a good quote (which all reporters love) doesn't mean he's doing a good job. I place the blame on Vinny and Zorn for this season. JLC is quick to be critical about the players, but never about the coaches. Let's hear him criticize the vanilla offense, poor play calling, and poor player communication skills. Up until this week, when has Zorn ever pointed the finger at himself? Remember, this is the same coach that told the media Jansen was being demoted before he talked to the player.

I haven't forgotten that JLC also referred to Kendall as an upgrade in replacing Dockery as well. This team is NOT devoid of talent. Poor Front office and bad coaching is to blame.

Posted by: dcwun | December 17, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

shekb,

I don't entirely disagree with the post, I just think that he went out of his way to bash certain positions to make the team look like a total failure. He intimated that Santana Moss would be no better than a #2 anywhere else in the division, including Philly and then listed Portis below the other back in the division as well.

Many of his statements are accurate. Drafting has been poor and picks have been wasted but to make it look like this roster is just a black hole is rediculous. There is talent on this team, just not enough to be a top team. We can see that.

Jason could have left it at that but he allows his vitrol towards the front office to affect his writing. That's what bugs me the most.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

JM220

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Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins have no competent wide receiver on the roster with any size (Thomas and Kelly might eventually get there)"

Are they going to grow between now and next season?

Posted by: hender_22 | December 17, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

will pin the management of the RB situation on Jim Zorn. He ran CP ragged and didn't get Betts enough touches early in the year. Portis was practically crippled by week 12 and Betts would come in to games cold and put the ball on the ground.

That's on the coaches.

Posted by: Original_etrod

Portis controlled when he came in and out, even to the point of jerking Betts around like a puppet. If Zorn were to make a commitment to Betts for every other game Portis would have had a path straight to "my buddy, Danny" to get things straightened out again.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

If you disagree with "little man syndrome" himself, stop posting and giving him EXACTLY what he wants!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | December 17, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

The hamwinkie (JLC) has now become like Bill O'Reilly with his hatred of Olbermann.

O'Reilly's hatred of Olbermann?

Good lord, Olbermann can't go 30 seconds on his pretend news show without mentioning O'Reilly.

Olbermann admits he stares at the Fox news headquarters (right across from his office) and imagines hearing screams.

That's weird.

Back to the Skins.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

shekb, what we want is for JLC to just SHUT UP! Yes, our season is over. Yes, a season that looked so good is toast. We know this. But he has spent the last few weeks - particularly this week relentlessly bashing everything Redskins because of his hatred/war with Vinny and Larry Michael.

JLC just needs to SHUT UP! This thread was entirely unnecessary.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Portis controlled when he came in and out, even to the point of jerking Betts around like a puppet. If Zorn were to make a commitment to Betts for every other game Portis would have had a path straight to "my buddy, Danny" to get things straightened out again.

Posted by: driley | December 17, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Then coach Z would have to grow some balls and remind Portis who the coach is. Portis is a warrior and wants to be on the field all the time. I give him credit for that, but it's not whats good for him or the team. The team needs him healthy down the stretch and giving him 25 carries a game early in the year will ensure that doesn't happen.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

JZ will probably be a good coach under "normal" circumstances...these are not "normal" Cerrato has destroyed this team with his incompetance and his track record doesn't lie. There isn't a quality coach in their right mind that would take a position here with these clowns running the show. With a whopping four picks in next years draft does anyone think it will be better next year? They couldn't get it right with 10 picks and they surely won't with only four. If Cerrato was fired would there be another team that would sign him...NOT A CHANCE!

Posted by: jmh764 | December 17, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

+++ Bush say we won and people believe him and defended him.Yet we still there.
JLS says CP is pretty much done and people defended him (go back and look at the blog post last year). Yet he lead the NFL in rushing most of the season. Sorry I don't go along to get along. If you come with some BS I am going to call you out.

If you need more examples Steve I be more than happy to give them.+++++


The election is over so the political morons run to the foobtall blog? Sad.

You want some BS. BS is believing so strongly in a candidate that you feel the need to support him/her, financially, emotionally, and otherwise. I loved the scene of nitwits out in front of the White House on election night. Celebrating a dude who could care less about them and who is going to lie and spit in their face, much the same way Bush has done for 8 years. All politicians do is lie, cheat, and steal to/from you in order to get the highest power in the country.....and you baffoons buy into it every four years.

There are plenty of articles/blogs in the Post to take your political agenda to, I'd suggest finding one of those after you finish writing a check to your favorite thief......ERRRRR political candidate.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 17, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

JM220

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Posted by: MrRedskin21
Your name calling is so childish. Why not stick to Football where you know as little there as you do about politics?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 17, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

O'Reilly's hatred of Olbermann?

Good lord, Olbermann can't go 30 seconds on his pretend news show without mentioning O'Reilly.

Olbermann admits he stares at the Fox news headquarters (right across from his office) and imagines hearing screams.

That's weird.

Back to the Skins.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 6:57 PM |
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Dude, it was O'Reilly who had the meltdown with a caller to his radio show and threatened to have the guy visited by "Fox News Security," warning future callers that "we have your number and can trace you."

Olbermann may be a bit of a firebrand, but O'Reilly is truly consumed by the hate.

Same thing here; this tubby little weasel can't stand Vinny, but for all the wrong reasons.

We can't stand stand Vinny because of his job performance, however, JLC can't stand Vinny because they have NO RELATIONSHIP and don't get along.

That's JLC's personal problem; he shouldn't let it infect his writing.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with everything JLC said, but I do think the fact that our below average organization controls a lot of the radio and tv in this town is pretty sickening. Like what he writes or not, JLC is one of the few 'independent' voices in the town; that's why Snyder has started new blogs to put RI out of business. Every time I turn on 980, I hear them pushing their blog (not to mention the official skins page). I'm actually suprised that Czaban and Andy Polian have lasted under the new regime.

When your owner and gm are using a joke like Larry Michaels to respond to every criticism, you know your team is in real trouble. It's a shame that they don't put that kind of effort in to winning.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | December 17, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I guess Zorn's horrific playcalling has nothing to do with the slide this team has been on. You don't constantly call play action when there is no threat of a running game and the O Line is struggling, and using the shotgun doesn't seem to occur to him alot of the time either. Give me a break, yeah the front office sucks, alot of the players on this team suck, but Zorn fits right in with his sucky playcalling. I hope he goes to a far off shaolin temple in the off season with Holmgren, so he can learn to be a better playcaller.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 17, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

PS: A writer with an agenda born of dislike for his subject is just as unreliable as a writer who becomes a lapdog and only posts rosy scenarios about his subject.

Sadly, the WashPost currently does not have a beat writer who is capable of walking down the middle of the aisle and reporting objectively on the team.

However, that may change soon.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Dude, it was O'Reilly who had the meltdown with a caller to his radio show and threatened to have the guy visited by "Fox News Security," warning future callers that "we have your number and can trace you."

Okay, back to sports.

This isn't a political blog and it's unfair to others to turn it into one.

I apologize for my earlier response.

I still can't figure out how JLC says that Moss is "at best" a No. 2 receiver for other teams.

At best?

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Like what he writes or not, JLC is one of the few 'independent' voices in the town;

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | December 17, 2008 7:06 PM |
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LOL... Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

People here need to take the Redskins colored glasses off, this team is not good and JLaC is stating facts. Moving out of the DC Area has allowed me to see the team for what it is, an old undermanned unit that lacks creativity and competent management. Just because you are unhappy with the team or critique their moves doesn't make you less of a fan, it means you are using your brain. The people that curse at JLa because he has harsh words for a poorly run franchise are sad and the reason the team will never improve. You keep buying new jerseys and believing everything is fine and the Skins will continue to give you high hopes and crush them every year.

Posted by: bigcountry22

Great post! Too many fans are myopic.
You'll find if your post makes perfect sense, it is disregarded as it doesn't fit the vitriolic agenda of others.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 17, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach you are a sad, angry and hypocritical woman.

Posted by: mack1 | December 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

You'll find if your post makes perfect sense, it is disregarded as it doesn't fit the vitriolic agenda of others.

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I like that. "Vitriolic agenda" sums up JLC's posts to a fare-thee-well.

The people who are myopic are the ones who slam Larry Michael for being a tool (yes, he is, but he WORKS for the team, so what else would he be?) and turn a blind eye to the flip-side of that coin: That JLC is also a tool. A tool produced by his animosity - legitimate or not - toward the front office.

If anyone here recalls when Richard Justice was the Redskins beat writer, then they will know what "objective" and "independent" reporting on the team was.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

While I am a fan of Larry Michael (I don't see anything wrong with actually being a fan of the team you follow), I agree with alot of what JLC has said. This team has invested way too much time and money into over the hill players trying to fill a void the front office helped create. I was thrilled to see the Skins working through the draft this year. The jury is still out (as far as I'm concerned) on most of these guys.

Devin Thomas: He should be returning punts, bottom line. He is a playmaker with the ball in his hands and Randle El just can't seem to break through. DeSean Jackson has had no issues taking punts as a rookie, I want to see what Thomas can do.

Fred Davis: This is a future role player, once the West Coast offense is fully implemented, the two tight end set could be lethal.

Malcolm Kelly: Has not been on the field enough to warrant a review, but has the size the Skins so desperately need in the red zone.

Chad Rinehart: Young O-lineman, need I say more. A possible huge pick here, if he pans out.

Justin Tryon: Should not be on this roster, maybe a practice squad guy. Get on J La for his love for Leigh Torrence, but the guy did play good special teams and Tryon appears to be all talk, little action.

Durant Brooks: Couldn't he have done almost as good as Plackemeier, if not maybe a little better as time went on?

Kareem Moore: Sixth round safety, long way to go.

Colt Brennan: NOT READY FOR THE NFL. But in the sixth round, a nice gamble to see if he can be groomed into an NFL QB.

Rob Jackson: Looked great in preseason and a position of need. Hopefully he blossoms into an NFL caliber DE.

Chris Horton: Last pick of your draft and this kind of production, not too shabby. Typically the last pick is a "let's hope we found something". Even if he's not a long term answer, he provided more than most 7th rounders do already.

But yet here we are, ready to head to another draft with only four picks. Three picks gone for Jason Taylor(little to no production) and Erasmus James(could've had without giving up a pick). This is the problem. Teams that are successful primarily do it through the draft. Just ask the Yankees, spending money on aging vets doesn't pan out in the long run.

I love this team, and always will. But this team needs a front office leader to take control of our personnel. This up and down, back and forth mentality is going to leave us lingering at mediocrity for a long time to come.....the past decade has proven this.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 17, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Like what he writes or not, JLC is one of the few 'independent' voices in the town;

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | December 17, 2008 7:06 PM |
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LOL... Thanks for the laugh.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm not saying he doesn't bash the redskins some. What I am saying is that he's one of the few people left in this town who don't collect a paycheck from Snyder.

I've also been around long enough to remember the days Maske was on the redskins beat. He was one of Snyder's little buddies, and he was insanely pro ownership. That sucked.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | December 17, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The people who are myopic are the ones who slam Larry Michael for being a tool (yes, he is, but he WORKS for the team, so what else would he be?) and turn a blind eye to the flip-side of that coin: That JLC is also a tool. A tool produced by his animosity - legitimate or not - toward the front office.

perhaps there are those that don't "slam" either one, but are merely entertained as the masses get worked up so easily by either side. It is a side show really. DS and PT Barnum have much in common!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 17, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

YO......THAT IS A FREAKIN' AWESOME POST. ALL YOU REDSKINS' KOOL-AID SIPPERS NEED TO SHUT UP, READ JLC'S WORDS, AND ACCEPT IT. THEY FREAKIN' SUCK....WHY?????YOU ALREADY KNOW WHY. STOP PISSING IN THE WIND AND DREAMING ABOUT BEING GOOD, CUZ YA'LL AND GONNA' BE WORTH A DAMN WITH SNYDER AND BUG-EYES RUNNING THE SHOW....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !!!!!

Posted by: po403 | December 17, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach you are a sad, angry and hypocritical woman.

Posted by: mack1 | December 17, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse


Wrong on all accounts mack. I can teach you something that Obama and McCain never will, because they don't care about you.

First, sad and angry are two different emotional feelings. Don't get me wrong, the Skins have found ways to make me both sad and angry, but at the same time, that's not possible. (Maybe less time on politics and a little more with education would have taught you that).

Hypocritical would mean I was making a point, then stating the exact opposite.(Big word for you political types). I hate all politicians and have never invested a dime or an ounce of support for any of them, that would be hypocritical. (I hope I didn't lose you there, that involved logic).

Rob is a guy's name. I'm sure there's some liar in the Senate or the House with the first name Rob, and I bet they are all men. I would think that would've been easy to figure out, even for someone simple-minded like yourself.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 17, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that heated defense of your own blog post, JLC, errrr, I mean "po403."

I wonder if you'll be able to ghost as a RI fan defending your sloppy writing when you and your editor are finally called into Philip Bennett's office.

"Good luck."

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I like both Larry and JLC so I have no dog in that fight. Now to JLC's post:

I agree with his points about the D line and the O line. I agree with his point about a secondary receiver. I agree with his overall point that the Skins division rivals are all more talented than the Redskins.

I think though he goes too far on some things. Moss IMO is a stud WR, what he is missing is a complementary WR to take the pressure off of him, he's double teamed all the time.

So what if Fletcher is 34, I'd still take him over the other NFC East MLB's, and Rocky is an emerging playmaker. The Giants weak and strong side Lb's are nothing to speak of.

He downplays Cooley becuase of his lack of TDs but so what, he still is a pro-bowler, and one of the best in the league.

And when Emmitt Smith was asked a couple of weeks ago who he thought was the best RB in the NFC East he said "hands down, Clinton Portis".

The Skins have a top 10 defense -- which is far from a disaster. The talent is clearly there.

The offense has some playmakers. IMO this team would be transformed if they found an elite pass rusher, a couple of good young offensive lineman, and another GOOD option to throw the ball to.

I agree with JLC that the team isn't one player away from being great. But personally I think they are 4 players away from it, maybe we never find those 4 players but I don't think things are as bleak as the overall picture painted here.

Posted by: mikeskapla | December 17, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how everyone here doesn't have complete animosity towards the skins...its like continually coming back to a significant other knowing they are just going to smash your heart again and again. They might send you some flowers, say some nice things, and next thing you know, you have an optimistic picture about the future. But deep down you realize their going to end up pawning your belongings and destroying your future.

The problem with that significant other, and the skins, is they are rotten at the core. Fire Cerrato. I'm tired of watching every week and being abused. And more power to JLC for stirring the pot.

Posted by: nalsmith | December 17, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

mikeskapla,

All of those points are great. The only problem I have with it is the defense. While I think the defense is strong, how many times do we need to miss out on turnovers? Perhaps a solid pass rush would create more turnovers, but I am growing tired of watching interceptions hit our guys in the chest and drop to the ground. Rogers has had a few, Landry has had a couple, and the LBs have done it with regularity. But the defense does keep us in alot of games.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 17, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll contribute here.

As a weekly Michaels listener (I gotta hear the games on the internet cause I don't get 'em on TV in Minnesota. Except when they are on prime time, but who wants to see those games? When was the last time they won on prime time? Dallas 4 years ago?) I have to say that he is totally delusional. Either that, or he's being fed his lines.

Let's see here: an executive making up their own reality. By gum, that sounds down right Bushian!

Down with Cerrato. Sell the team Snyder! We'll let you keep your box and parking space.

The Redskins have LONG TERM issues. Who is in charge of the long term strategies of building a football team? The executive. Not the coach.

I love this team. I follow them religiously. I read this damn blog every day. But I hate the direction of the team and I hate the decisions that get made for it. Being unsatisfied with the direction of your team is not the same as hating it.

Que Viva Zorn!

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 17, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael is an idiot! All he talks about is the haters! Well time to take off the burgundy and gold glasses and wake up moron! This is a bad football team and is aging in almost every area. Larry Michael is a paid media man for the Redskins. His job is tell Joe the fan propaganda so Dan Snyder can continue to market and profit from his team. Every logical person can clearly see right through Larry Michael. Every logical fan can also see this is a poorly run franchise. I say fire Larry and Vinny and bring back Frank Herzog! Larry you are a moron get over yourself!

Posted by: bigjofc | December 17, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach:
I'm not saying you're sad as in melancholy. I mean it more like pathetic. I called you angry because when you rip on other's happiness, well, that's how your post comes off. You're a hypocrite because you mock JM220 for going political then go political yourself. As for whether or not you're a man, I stand by my original post.

Posted by: mack1 | December 17, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Well put!

And I personally don't take it as "Redskins bashing". They have been a disappointing team for a long time and the points made are clear.

Posted by: orennyc | December 17, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

mack,

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the last thing you can say is that I went "political". I'm not comparing the front office of the Redskins to Bush or Obama, that just takes a "special" kind of person. That garbage doesn't belong on a football blog, there are plenty of areas on this site to bash Bush, Obama, whoever you want to submit to. And it's interesting that you would use negative context towards being a woman. Sounds as though you either have sexist issues or perhaps shunned by far too many?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | December 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

JLC you fat idiot-

This is the same "no-talent" team that started 4-1 with wins on the road against Dallas and Philly. I suppose our complete lack of talent propelled us to our excellent start the first half of the season. It sure couldn't be Zorn, who you ridiculed when he was hired...

Posted by: CPortisRun | December 17, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinnymustgo, you obviously do not listen to 980 very often. Despite the fact Snyder owns the station, the Skins are bashed constantly. It certainly is not a "Pro Skins" station. For one thing, that idiot Cowherd is on and EVERY single day he bashes the Skins - I now turn the radio off when he comes on. Cowherd has so many sports topics to cover but spends far too much of it dwelling on the Redskins. BMitch is totally open and has been critical as has Doc Walker. Steve Czabe? Please - "Skin Basher" is his middle name.

I respect Doc and B Mitch's opinions because they played the game - and they actually have a true relationship with many of the players at Redskin Park. JLC? Yeah, right. He has to go to his anonymous "sources."

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 17, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato is an idiot.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 17, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

This team isn't one player away, but it is about 5 players away (de, dt, g, t, wr). Fix the lines and the team as currently constructed can be good.

If your record is what you are, we couldn't be THAT far away (10-6, 5-11, 9-7, 7-7). If the lines are ever invested in early and often over multiple years this team could be great.

Can Vinny get that done? I'm a cynic. But this is not a terrible/horrendous/talentless roster.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 17, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Of course Larry Michael says things with a straight face. That's what robots do. It says a lot when the biggest complaint posters have is Moss being a #2 on most teams. Seems like that's people's complaint. Thus I would say this breakdown is pretty accurate to even the most die hard see-everything-through-burgundy-and-gold-colored-glasses posters here (Hi Lisa)

Posted by: virtueandvice | December 17, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse


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So let me get this straight....Portis is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, but is the worst RB in our division?

I would rather have a new beat writer then Cowher as our head coach.
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Well let's consider what Portis has done when compared to the others?

For starters Portis is tied for the fewest TDs EVEN JUST RUSHING with 7 (with Marion Barber). But Barber has 2 TD catches. Portis longest run from scrimmage is only 31 yards. That is the lowest total. His yards per carry is 2nd to Jacobs. His total rushing yards is first. But his yards receiving is only 3rd. Like Jacobs he has 0 TD catches. But Jacobs has only 5 receptions.

You could make a case that he is the worst in the division. But we'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he is 3rd, not the worst (4th). Mostly because of his lack of scoring and big plays.


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Giants Brandon Jacobs
195 carries, 1002 yards, 5.1yds/carry, 12 TDs, 44 longest
5 receptions, 31 yards, 6.2 yds/per catch, 0 TDs

Philadelphia Brian Westbrook
208 carries, 841 yards, 4.0 yds/carry, 9 TDs, 39 longest
46 receptions, 319 yards, 6.9 yards per catch, 5 TDs.

Dallas Marion Barber
233 carries, 872 yards, 3.7 yards/carry, 7 TDs, 35 longest
49 receptions, 390 yards, 8.0 yards per catch, 2 TDs.

Washington Clinton Portis
291 carries, 1337 yards, 4.6 yds/carry, 7 TDs, 31 longest
27 receptions, 207 yards, 7.7 yards per catch, 0 TDs.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Agree with most of the comments about the FO - Vinny needs to go. We need someone with a long term plan, commitment, and leadership. Snyder needs to stand back and give this person room to make it happen. As far as players, yes, major overhaul on both lines. Finally, I don't think the Skins will make it out of mediocrity with Jason Campbell at the helm. Holds the ball too long and has a slow, telegraphed, release. Consequently, too many balls tipped at the line of scrimmage. Since we all agree there's a need to revamp, let's get Colt in there.

Posted by: bones21 | December 17, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,
I get where you're coming from. The hosts on the station have definitely been piling on recently; but with our second half they should be. I'm still holding out to see how long they last since it's been less than a year since Snyder bought the station. Cowherd isn't a local guy, so he has no reason to support us. Sadly, his opinion is what a lot of non skins fans think of this organization. The bottom line is that this organization just doesn't act like winners.

They took a completely unorthodox/radical approach to building a team, shunning the draft when every other team was using it. When they did use it, they had only occasional success. I believe Vinny's famous quote is "We know what we're doing, we have a plan." 10 years, 6 coaches and countless bad moves later, I just think it's fair to start asking when we can expect to see that plan start to work consistently.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | December 17, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Say this about jla he gives redskins nation a strawman to transfer their anger to. Oh and enough with political analogies. You could spin that anyway you want and considering our country is in the crapper and this is pro football it's kind of classless.

This is classic kill the messenger. You can nitpick a moss here a kendell there but this franchise is diseased from that top with dbagrobber baron for an owner and a no talent hack as gm and a sycophant snake oil salesman as media mouthpiece. And before you puke out the "our team" hogwash really step back and think about what our team has become.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Man, just how many different user names does Larry Michael have on WaPo?

I lost count at 14.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

So, right now Brian Westbrook as twice the number of TDs that Clinton Portis has. That kind of scoring equals wins. That's carrying a team.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

freak, the same number that JLC has, I guess.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

As for TDs, Adrian Peterson only has 9, so I guess we can forget about his 1,500+ yards, Westbrook, Jacobs and Barber are all better than AP too.

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This is classic kill the messenger.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2008 8:47 PM |
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No it isn't. It's a case of more and more people being sick of whatever personal issues JLC has with the FO (specifically Vinny).

Either work them out, or don't allow them to infect your writing.

Criticism is one thing; the writing above re LaRon Landry, Clinton Portis and Santana Moss is just out-and-out misplaced hate by JLC - hate for Vinny that is being heaped upon good players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Once again, JLC gets it right as he always does. Why is it that this team hasnt made the jump to the truly elite since Snyder has been the owner. It starts at the top...No overall philosophy from this organization except every year to chase big agents and spurn the draft where teams like pittsburgh, tennessee, philly, indianapolis, ny giants always seem to get into the playoffs. The reasoning....they all have a stable front office with an owner that does not meddle...you cannot argue with results and the redskins have had none. its a joke to say that they have had good results because they've been to the playoffs 3 time in the past 10 years. They haven't gone any further. They need to have a front office philosophy which allows a true football man to run the show ala ron wolf or beatherd the first time around, build through the draft, bring in young capapable players who are hungry and want to play and have the will to win. I'm sick and tired of these free agents STEALING money from this team....Randle el-STEALING MONEY...Jason Taylor-STEALING MONEY....BRandon Lloyd-STEALING MONEY etc. Like JLC said, much of this is not Zorn's fault. I think that get this team to where it is now is amazing at 7-7 when most fans and pundits were saying the skins would win 5-6 at the most. Do not can Zorn, or else we are right back to where we started. U think of all the big name coaches in the NFL these days---they were finds...assistants on other teams, well respected assistants....MIke Tomlin, Tony Dungy...Andy Reid...Bill Belicheck...Mike Shanahan...Jon Gruden...Mike Holmgrem...Mike Smith in atlanta....Eric Mangini....JEFF FISHER...they were all plucked out of obscurity... what o they all have in common...hmmm let see.... A winning culture, a good front office gm type who builds through the draft.....and most importantly stability...its so obvious how to build a winning organization...the blueprint is from the first time around with Joe Gibbs...Young unknown OC plucked from obscurity from San Diego....GM Bobby Beatherd, plucked guys like Joe Jacoby, Darrel Green....and they had stability with an owner who laid his hands off decision making and did not meddle....thats the recipie that brought three super bowls to dc.....

AS ALWAYS JLC is right

The OWNER is the problem

Do Not Fire Zorn, give him time, build through the draft...do not chase high priced agents, and see what happens...


one last note....i think he thing that is being the least discussed about our offensive woes is JCampbells lack of field vision i see him miss open receivers all the time

Posted by: dpollit1 | December 17, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

PS: It's a GIVEN that a man (Larry Michael) that is PAID by the team will be a "mouthpiece."

What's JLC's excuse? He's employed by The Washington Post, not "Redskins Hater R Us."

But you wouldn't know it from the posts - the selective stats on CP v. T. Jones, the totally unfounded comments re Landry, and the capper: That 'Tana is not a #1 WR.

It's not that some of JLC's criticisms aren't valid; they are. It's that he doesn't know when to stop, and so he drifts off into absurdity due to the ax he has to grind with Vinny.

He should have a little more pride in his work and try to be a professional.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Sure mr skin sure have with that nippe to coddle you at night....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 17, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Bashing Portis and Moss for their work is foolish. Even if you argue that Portis is the worst of the RBs in the division, there isn't much space between them. They are all very good backs. Moss is a #1 WR. The numbers back it up pretty clearly. He isn't Larry Fitzgerald or Anquan Boldin or Roddy White. But he is a #1 WR for most teams.

JLa is on incredibly solid ground bashing Larry Michael or Vinny Cerrato. He loses credibility by using these attacks on Santana or Portis.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 17, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I have my woman to coddle me at night.

:)

Perhaps if JLC's wife stopped making him sleep on the couch and gave him a piece, he wouldn't be so cranky.

But I doubt it. His Vinny-obsession has clouded his judgment for good.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Just reported that Sam Baugh passed away. He was 94.

I read somewhere in one account that he didn't like being called "Sammy" but it stuck.

In one game he threw 4 TD passes and intercepted 4 more. Great punter too.

Clearly, for me, the great Washington Redsking player of all time. Sorry Sonny.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, for me, the great Washington Redskin player of all time. Sorry Sonny.

That's greatest.

Posted by: SteveMG | December 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse


Clinton Portis has ONLY 7.

Then let's finish the picture then shall we?

Minnesota Adrian Peterson
320 carries, 1581 yards, 9 TDs, longest run 51 yards.
19 catches for 109 yards, 0 TDs.

Atlanta Michael Turner
332 carries, 1421 yards, 15 TDs, longest run 66 yards.
6 receptions for 41 yardss, 6.8 yards/recep average, 0 TDs

Washington Clinton Portis
291 carries, 1337 yards, 4.6 yds/carry, ONLY 7 TDs, 31 longest
27 receptions, 207 yards, 7.7 yards per catch, 0 TDs.

He finishes 3rd again.
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As for TDs, Adrian Peterson only has 9, so I guess we can forget about his 1,500+ yards, Westbrook, Jacobs and Barber are all better than AP too.

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

>>The Skins' No. 1 WR (Santana Moss) is at best No. 2 on many teams...

That's absurd. Santana Moss would be the #1 receiver on most teams and, at least the #2 receiver on every team with the possible exception of the Cardinals.

Posted by: p_chuck | December 17, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Portis may not really belong in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

He finishes 3rd again.
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As for TDs, Adrian Peterson only has 9, so I guess we can forget about his 1,500+ yards, Westbrook, Jacobs and Barber are all better than AP too.

Riiiiiiiiggggghhhhhttttt.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 9:18 PM |
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Yards, yards, yards. Read for content.

And make up your mind, knucklehead.

Are you ranking by TDs or yards?

Wait; I know. You're ranking depending on upon which fits your argument of the moment.

How very JLC-like of you.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Usually the #1 receiver is a "possession type". Like Armani Toomer.

Moss is as good as they get as a deep threat #2.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinnie? I guess you can't read can you?
Longest runs of 51 yards, 66 yards versus just 31? More touchdowns? The rookie with 15? Nine is still 2 more than seven. They both have more yards more big plays ... Mr. put-me-in-I-will-score? Third rate and rather poor when compared to the rookie.


___________________________________________________
Are you ranking by TDs or yards?

Wait; I know. You're ranking depending on upon which fits your argument of the moment.

How very JLC-like of you.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll make it easy for you, since you don't read sarcasm very well:

Which THREE NFC East backs trail CP in yards (I took the liberty os swiping your original post which put Clinton as last in the NFC East, but Not based on yards)?

Minnesota Adrian Peterson
320 carries, 1581 yards, 9 TDs, longest run 51 yards.
19 catches for 109 yards, 0 TDs.

Atlanta Michael Turner
332 carries, 1421 yards, 15 TDs, longest run 66 yards.
6 receptions for 41 yardss, 6.8 yards/recep average, 0 TDs

Washington Clinton Portis
291 carries, 1337 yards, 4.6 yds/carry, ONLY 7 TDs, 31 longest
27 receptions, 207 yards, 7.7 yards per catch, 0 TDs.

Giants Brandon Jacobs
195 carries, 1002 yards, 5.1yds/carry, 12 TDs, 44 longest
5 receptions, 31 yards, 6.2 yds/per catch, 0 TDs

Philadelphia Brian Westbrook
208 carries, 841 yards, 4.0 yds/carry, 9 TDs, 39 longest
46 receptions, 319 yards, 6.9 yards per catch, 5 TDs.

Dallas Marion Barber
233 carries, 872 yards, 3.7 yards/carry, 7 TDs, 35 longest
49 receptions, 390 yards, 8.0 yards per catch, 2 TDs.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Now, you've been hoisted with your own petard, as it were.

Enjoy dangling there, JLC flunky.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

JLC - I'm usually critical of your anti-Cerrato shenanigans, and even though this post is dripping with evident loathing, I absolutely have to agree with everything you've said.

Zorn isn't the problem. Well, he MIGHT be A problem, but with the talent on the roster, he could also be the second-coming and still finish 8 and 8. I just don't think this team is any better than pretty good.

Posted by: jvwright | December 17, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I have a personal issue with the FO.

Dunderheaded maneuvering on their part has seriously hamstrung the team whose colors I personally bleed and in whom I personally invest a lot of my time and a fair amount of my personal dollars.

But maybe that's a personal problem.

Maybe I should just buy some personal lubricant and take what the FO is dishing out.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

JLC - I'm usually critical of your anti-Cerrato shenanigans, and even though this post is dripping with evident loathing, I absolutely have to agree with everything you've said.

Zorn isn't the problem. Well, he MIGHT be A problem, but with the talent on the roster, he could also be the second-coming and still finish 8 and 8. I just don't think this team is any better than pretty good.

Posted by: jvwright | December 17, 2008 9:32 PM


Dude. Sarcasm.

It was sarcasm. Jasno no blaming Zorno.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

This post is about 90% on. I love the Skins and they need to get the personnel together. Lines, receivers, LBs is main concern. Landry needs to move back to his natural position. They need to get BIG in receivers and lines. D line needs to blimp up and receivers need to be 8inches taller. ARE and Moss are solid, but they need two guys 220+ and 6'4"+ running with them. DBs can hang. RBs can hang, JCampbell needs help before they off him for Colt. Give Zorn a few years please too. Some of the most glaring problems these past few weeks are guys trying to do too much. That reach and fumble of Sellers? The show shine for Moss? I hate to say this, but DeAngelo Hall has been great (only because I loathe VaTech). He's got something to prove and he is.

Posted by: ATLyoyo | December 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

1st and foremost jla is a tool. don't hate on the team you get paid to cover!!! i believe everyone would agree that both the o and d lines have to be blow up and reconstructed!! the skins will end up 9-7... believe it!!! by the way, rocky mcintosh is a beast!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | December 17, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I understand some points of this tirade but I would love JLa to be a man and argue this point: Portis is the worst RB in the division with the most yards and the worst O line by far???? Do you know how dumb that sounds? You can put anyone behind that gmen line and they are lighting it up. Westbrook is extremely talented but if you are going to use brittle as an argument in some cases than it applies to him too. Plus he sucks at short yardage. Then theres Barber, not going to waste my time comparing him to a player whose stats rank up with only hall of famers at this point in their career. One more terrible contradiction, Moss is a two at best yet his stats prove otherwise with a line who doesn't allow enough time for the deep ball which is his specialty. Now if you want to talk about talent than look at the units independently, otherwise you sound like a moron

Posted by: Houligan26 | December 17, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem talking about how bad my team is with my fellow Skins fans. They can knock any player or coach.

I have a huge problem hearing the same from any cowgirls fan. They can just keep their fat mouth shut!! That goes for jints and iggles fans as well...and Ravens fans. Regardless of facts.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 17, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I have a personal issue with the FO.

Dunderheaded maneuvering on their part has seriously hamstrung the team whose colors I personally bleed and in whom I personally invest a lot of my time and a fair amount of my personal dollars.

But maybe that's a personal problem.

Maybe I should just buy some personal lubricant and take what the FO is dishing out.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 17, 2008 9:37 PM |
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That's all fine.

As it happens, I have a problem with the FO as well. I think Vinny should be gone, the team would be better off under an owner who wasn't fiddling with it day-to-day and yes, the team still needs talent at some positions.

However, if I'm paid a salary to write about the team, then I don't let my personal animus toward the owner/GM invade my (supposedly professional) critical thinking re the team.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage"

I believe you've got that backwards. That should read:

"Sitting here reading some of you apologize for Cerrato, I can now understand how a dumb a** like bush got elected twice."

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The difference on this position is simple.

Negative Nancy's (JLaC and his defenders)

vs.

Glass Half Full Fools (AKA JLaC haters, ExtremeSkins trolls, and bloggers from Ashburn)


The funny thing is, both sides claim to be realist.

But the thing with all the negativity is, you would think we were 0-14 at the moment.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

You're going way too far Jason. I understand you have beef with the FO, but this post was trash and I expect better from you.

Saying Moss is at best a #2??? If he was a #3 on a roster, it would only be because that team was the Cardinals. We haven't seen his potential statistically because he's stuck with no consistent quarterbacking!!!

Barber over Clinton? When did you turn into a hater? What has Barber done? He has shown in his first FULL season that he's less durable than Clinton and he's averaging 3.7 yards per carry behind a massive o-line!!!! Clinton has never averaged that low of a number. Don't forget Marion's 6 fumbles (Only two lost but still).

I know there are issues here, but saying the 3rd leading rusher in the NFL and a running back with 9k career yards is only the 4th best RB in this division is ridiculous. We expect better Jason.

Posted by: Oz99 | December 17, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

So how many people does Danny Boy keep on staff to monitor this blog and post anti-JLC comments whenever there's even a hint of negativity?

Like it or not, Redskins FO androids, JLC is absolutely right about every point he makes in this post.

The front office - led by the mentally challenged Cerrato - is a disgrace, and so is this team and organization. It's time to tear it down and start all over again. But it won't matter if Vinny is still around: The man just sucks at his job.

Posted by: thediesel | December 17, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Don't diss JLC's lil drinking buddies!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 17, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, Redskins FO androids, JLC is absolutely right about every point he makes in this post.

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Posted by: thediesel | December 17, 2008 10:43 PM

Waaaa?!? the WHOLE post?

I think this whole negativity towards the front office is going a little too far.

If Carlos rodgers had never dropped that pick 6 in the 1st Seattle playoff game, we would have been going to the SB that year....

Execution is also key.

And to bring it to this year, so is putting the players in the best position to make a play (OC, I'm talking to you)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 17, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem for the skins now is the o-line. This team is playing better in the first year of any coach here in a long time. When gibbs 2.0 arrived brunell could not complete a forward pass. Lets ask ourselves do we really wast Jim Fassel? Zorn will be fine this is only his first year.

Posted by: wattsicon | December 17, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"But the thing with all the negativity is, you would think we were 0-14 at the moment.........

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Actually, the thing about the glass-half-full fools is that they think everything posted here is personal.

Nevermind the certain positives that JLC perceives as it's staring you in the face (such as the fact that he thinks Jim Zorn, our scrutinized, questionable, perfect-target-to-rip-on head coach could actually end up being a very good hire)...

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

So Vinny and JLC dont like each other...does that automatically mean the anything JLC says about the skins isn't valid....thats the most absurd reasoning ive heard...and about JLC being a "basher" for pointing out the shortcomings of an organization which hasn't done dittaly squat since 1992 is kind of like those who point out the flaws of the iraq war and then calling them out for not supporting the troops or being a BUSH BAsher...JLC is pointing out flaws in strategy and being honest, he is not however being out of control and making rude comments about the owner and the players on the team..hes just being honest... its completely ridiculous line of reasoning...people need to get their head out of their...and start facing the tough questions about this organization so maybe we can actually influence the Danny to fix them

Posted by: dpollit1 | December 17, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Moss has had one great season for the skins and thats it....he has been constantly hurt. We need to cut springs, washington, taylor, griffin, and randle el...we need to restock and get as many draft picks as possible. We need to retool the lines. Jason Campbell does not have it...he has everything but pocket presence and field vision to make plays

Posted by: dpollit1 | December 17, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Always find it funny that people who comment on here find that they have to defend JLC. As a reporter, he puts himself out there to be challenged, especially when much of his stuff is opinion and the blog adds the following near the comment section:
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We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

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Like any defense you make is going to change the opinion of those challenging JLC. Just like JLC does not change the opinions of those who challenge him.

Have to agree with JM220 on this.

Posted by: Skins930 | December 18, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

***R.I.P. Slingin' Sammy Baugh***


JLC you sound like such a worthless petty biatch when you write articles like this(I should say blogs like this, articles are for REAL writers)

You lack knowledge, you lack integrity, I like most of us wonder why you even have a job.

You say all the same things if we were 14-0....your opinion is worthless.

Clearly you've found that you get far more post on your blog by spewing hate.

Posted by: filmchis | December 18, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

This is the petty crap that makes us rip JLa. As if we (fans) don't bash the team enough in our despair and overblown expectations, JLa feels the professional need to pile it on just to stick it to Larry Michael.

JLa, you have the professionalism of a fantasy league donkey who posts ridiculous smack talk just to get a stir.

It's amazing to me how you assess the talent/value of a guy like Santana Moss. He holds the Redskins single season record for receiving yards and you can't even bring yourself to admit he's a legit #1 receiver in the league. He's knocked on the door of 1000 yards for this team even while battling injuries and playing in this anemic run-first offense. He runs great routes, has great hands, gets separation, and he's a big play threat everytime he touches the ball whether it is a bubble screen or a deep route. He has single-handedly won games for this team.

Although you admit he's one of the best 15-20 WRs in the league, you say in the same breath that he's at best a #2 on "most" teams? This is the kind of non-sensical garbage that comes from someone speaking out spite instead of sound analysis.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

GREAT analysis -- truly devastating, comprehensive and still
wise-ass sarcastic. Jason, we love you, don't ever change. Especially love the shot at toady Michael. who makes even the most dedicated Skins fan cringe with embarrassment. Question, though -- and this is coming from a devoted Post reader for more than 40 years -- why do we have to see analysis this detailed and trenchant on a blog instead of in the print edition? I know newsprint is going the way of the dinosaur, but it galls me that for YEARS the Post has gone soft on every DC team -- invariably, if you want to get the inside story on any one of them, you have to wait until everything blows up and it all finds its way into SI, or Sporting News, etc. The fact that Belt Buckle Danny somehow thinks he's getting raked over the coals is comical beyond words.

Posted by: vincel | December 18, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

"The Skins' No. 1 WR (Santana Moss) is at best No. 2 on many teams, while Washington's No. 2 (Antwaan Randle El) is not even the No. 3 on many rosters."

"I'm taking Brian Westbrook or Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber before Portis. That's just me."

this guy is an idiot..santana moss at best is a number 2..your joking right, and i believe he said he wouldnt start on the cowboys..i think this guy who wrote this..jlac, whatever his name is knows what type of nonsense he writes..he justs wants us to post comments because he knows dumb comments like those will get us going...move to dallas and do blogs about them dumba$$

Posted by: ripmeast21 | December 18, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

vincel, speak for YOURSELF....say "JLC, I love you" - leave the "we" out of it because WE certainly DO NOT feel that way.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 18, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Great analysis. Your criticism of Portis borders on absurd, but nearly everything else is right on. (Well, also Moss is significantly better than you give him credit for.)

You've been all over the linebacker dearth ever since you took the Skins beat. I only wish someone in Ashburn had listened to you even once.

The lack of investment in the D-Line is a travesty. O-Line isn't far behind.

You also make a(n unspoken) good case for re-signing Springs to be the FS and moving LaRon up to SS. And yet, that'll cost some serious dough for a guy that can't stay on the field.

But more than anything... we need to get rid of Larry Michael. And you've been on top of that for an eternity now, so props to you. Too bad he's only Snyder's favorite human being this side of Vinny.

Posted by: drischord | December 18, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Finally. It's not that I agree with every assessment, but this is the kind of coverage needed, at least once in a while, to gauge the viability of the team's talent, especially compared to the rest of the league. Not to put the onus on the players but to break the team down to show what we really have here and what kind of scouting talent is behind it. Hopefully the Post will continue to do this as the team brings in more draft picks and free agents next year, rather than sugar coat them with sentimental profiles.

Posted by: rfjh1 | December 18, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Face the FACTS folks... JLC is right on Moss, he's lucky if he's in the top 20 in the league.

Posted by: kone | December 18, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins concentrate on owning and controlling the line of scrimmage on both sides, you will be amazed at how all other positions start to look better. It is that bleeping simple.

And yes London you got screwed brother on the Pro Bowl. But I guarantee that a million+ fans out here know what you do. Keep it up man.

Posted by: hz9604 | December 18, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"psps,

As opposed to having Blatche start as he IS playing well right now! Much better overall than McGee can or would at this point. Sorry, your missing out on a possible spectacular dunk or a couple of nice blocked shots a game.

I almost wish JD, McGee, and NY would all start for about a 5 game stretch just so their clueless fan club bandwagon for these guys in here can see how uncompetitive and bad that would be. It would be an absolute joke and teach these guys nothing about earning minutes - NY,McGee."

Blatche is playing very well right now, and I'm not advocating that McGee take his minutes. But Blatche is only averaging around 30 minutes a game, almost all of them at center (which is not his natural position). There are MORE than enough minutes to go around for McGee, ESPECIALLY more than 3 minutes total.

And you cannot be serious with your last part of the comment. You don't want McGee, NY, or JD to get minutes because you think they'll be uncompetitive?? Are you living in a dream fantasy world, where guys like DeShawn Stevenson are being competitive? Even if you don't think they're in the top 6-7 players on the roster (which is plain wrong in my opinion), it's not about teaching these guys how to "earn" minutes. (1) Neither of the guys mentioned above have displayed or shown any indication of a poor work ethic, and (2) if you're talking about "earning" minutes based on play on the court, then 80% of the team has not earned any minutes (which isn't counting the fact that accurate judgment of play cannot be assessed in 3 minutes of playing time). The whole point of a lost season is to improve your prospects for the future, and the WORST way to go about that is to sit your young guys and limit their ability to get experience and learning opportunities on the court.

It baffles me that anybody can even try and defend that argument.

Posted by: psps23 | December 18, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

My bad, wrong blog for the post up above.

Posted by: psps23 | December 18, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Moss isnt an elite number 1 but its really ridiculous to say hes at best a number 2 on many teams. Come on. At the moment he would be a #1 on the Ravens, Bills, Jags, Chiefs, Dolphins, Jets, Raiders, Chargers, Titans, Bears, Vikings, Giants, Eagles, Seahawks, and Bucs.
Posted by: terpcap6

C'mon now, D. Mason is better than Moss, Lee Evans, D. Bowe, Coles, Chambers is at least his equal...Hester is a clone only faster, Berrian, Desean Jackson is a younger version hence making him better. D. Branch when healthy. Moss isn't a #1 on most of the teams you mentioned.

Posted by: PEACE8 | December 18, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

JLC might not be 100% accurate on everything he wrote, but he's darn near 95%. A lot of it is his opinion, which I think some of you forget is what's he supposed to do: provide fact along with insight and opinion. This is just a blog, remember.

Too bad we can't just fire Snyder and resurrect Jack Kent Cooke from the grave.

Posted by: TiredOfLosers | December 18, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Way to go JLA! Couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Devo2 | December 18, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Most of what J-La said in this post is accurate, or at the very least very close to accurate. However, I disagree with his statement that Laron is not a game changer for them. The fact of the matter is he has been forced to play deep safety as our last line of defense without having another safety to do that job for us. So that said, of course he is "changing the game" more because he forced to play way behind the line of scrimmage. Thank god we have Laron, he has made the rest of the players on defense better. Unfortunately, this may be an ugly few years we have ahead of us. Keep Zorn and JC, FIRE CERRATO. HE IS A RETARD!

Posted by: marleyb313 | December 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

*of course he is not changing the game more because he is forced to play.....

Posted by: marleyb313 | December 18, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

QB - most teams would take the "older QB's"? That statement is misleading. JLC's implying that the QB's of our NFC East rivals are more experienced than our JC, which would lead objective observers to pick the other QB's in the East over JC. First, let's clarfify. Eli and Romo aren't that much older than JC. Eli is 27 in his 5th year and won a SB in his 4th. Romo is 28, in his 6th year and may be the best QB in the East. JC is 26 and in his 4th year. McNabb is the only "older" QB in the East.

Is JC less experienced, yes. Is the reason that most people would choose Eli, Romo and McNabb over JC the fact that JC isn't old enough? No. Get a clue. It's because he's not as good as the others. I know JC is your boy, but call it like it is.

And what's with the Moss bashing out of nowhere? Moss is an elite receiver on most teams.

Posted by: squid1 | December 18, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I agree with a lot of what JLC is saying bc we have huge personnel issues our OL DL and LB are depleted, untalented and old but in regards to us having the worst running back in the NFC east or in his words "Even here, I'm taking Brian Westbrook or Brandon Jacobs or Marion Barber before Portis. That's just me." thats why hes a reporter and not a general manager. Those other backs may do things better than portis but are not a better Running Back for ex: westbrook is a better receiver, jacobs is a better bruiser, and marion barber breaks more tackles but hasnt been a featured back as we now see he may not hold up ( I mean has CP missed a game for a pinkie toe). if you have been watching any football the last 5 yrs there hasnt been a tougher runner in between the tackles a better blocker, an adequate receiver and has game changing ability. He has carried our team the last 5 yrs and aging doesnt even show. If portis played for the giants this yr all those 25 yrd runs that jacobs had this season where the first person touching him is a DB would have been TD's for portis bc he is a home run hitter. What more do you want from the guy he carried it 29 times for 143 against the seahawks without practicing and multiple injuries. Has Brandon Jacobs even played back to back games and westbrook hasnt even played a sixteen game season and good luck in short yardage with westbrook. there is a reason why C-P0 has 70 TD's because he runs hard, is tough and has a knack for getting across the goaline which was why it was so tough watching sellars (ie betts against the giants week 3 last yr) fail last week bc we love him in washington but Clinton always gets it done. On to the next....Moss is at best a #2. Lets be serious....once again this is why he is a reporter and not a GM. And for the bozo who said coles is better than moss...compare their numbers and if you actually watched them as redskins there is no comparison....coles just doesnt make plays like moss after the catch. In regards to Randle el its not his fault hes not a #2 receiver he was brought in here to be one and everyone in the league knew he wasnt but to his credit he fights hard and is a great locker room guy and someone you take pride in calling a redskin. The personnel move to spend that much on him was badddd but he has done what he can and is someone you can rely on. Lastly, washington post is have personnel difficulties bc JLC is probably the worst lead reporter ever...maybe ask questions the coaches can answer instead of leading them to answers if you knew the answer then why do ask....

Posted by: twenty-36-one | December 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

AS ALWAYS JLC is right

The OWNER is the problem

Do Not Fire Zorn, give him time, build through the draft...do not chase high priced agents, and see what happens...


one last note....i think he thing that is being the least discussed about our offensive woes is JCampbells lack of field vision i see him miss open receivers all the time

Posted by: dpollit1 | December 17, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. LaCanfora-

Isn't it about time to stop anonymusly posting with other IDs on your own son's blog?

Posted by: CPortisRun | December 19, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Sitting here reading some of you defend JLC I can now understand a dumb a** like Bush got elected 2 twice.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage"

I believe you've got that backwards. That should read:

"Sitting here reading some of you apologize for Cerrato, I can now understand how a dumb a** like bush got elected twice."

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse


Ah, today's version of the clever I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I post...

Posted by: CPortisRun | December 19, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

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