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Late Nite Update

Here's what we got for now ... Still waiting to hear back from some people so will post thru the nite if need be.

New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo remained deep in talks with the Redskins regarding the team's head vacancy last night, his second day of meetings with owner Daniel Snyder. Spagnuolo spent Tuesday night and all of Wednesday with Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato.

Jim Fassel, who was nearly given the job two weeks ago, was also a finalist and was awaiting word from the team on a decision. League sources said that Fassel, former San Francisco Coach Steve Mariucci and Indianapolis defensive coordinator Ron Meeks anticipated that Snyder could contact them late last night with his decision as well, with the process winding down a month after Joe Gibbs resigned. (As of 1 a.m. those candidates had not heard from the team, league sources said).

Fassel remained hopeful and believed that he and Spagnuolo were the leading candidates, league sources said, while sources close to Spagnuolo said the coach, who led New York's defense in its stunning Super Bowl defeat of New England, was very enthused about his sessions with the team. League sources said Meeks and Mariucci were less optimistic about their chances and they sensed the decision would likely come down to Fassel or Spagnuolo.

The Redskins have most of their coaching staff in place and already selected new offensive and defensive coordinators before a head coach, an unusual situation but not a deterrent to the final candidates. The Giants do not want to lose Spagnuolo and were working on a counter-proposal to enhance his contract with them, league sources said.
Redskins Notes: The Redskins began creating cap space by renegotiating the contracts of guard Randy Thomas and end Andre Carter, league sources said. The team entered the off season $20 million over the 2008 salary cap and could restructure 12 contracts or more.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 7, 2008; 1:03 AM ET
 
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Any idea what the agent for Spags is doing tonight? Hopefully reviewing a contract.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 7, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Just a comment on Sally Jenkins article in today's WP. Although I love the Redskins and have been a loyal fan for over 45 years, I have to agree with the Jenkins article. Maybe I would not have worded it with such negative sentiments, the bulk of the article is true. I have to look at the Redskins record since Snyder took ownership and it's pretty dismal. Most all NFL team owners hire general managers. Who has Snyder hired as G.M.? Also, I believe that Snyder was the main reason Joe Gibbs retired, although that is very subjective. I actually had some hope of good things to come after the season ending run and the way the team stuck together, with all of the key injuries and the tragic murder of Taylor. Now, however, it seems that instead of a brighter future, the team seems to be back to square one, again. I believe Snyder has good intentions and wants to win, but without football knowledge and trying to put together a team along with Vinny and without a G.M., the team is fated to, at best, be a mediocre team next season.

Posted by: simba94165 | February 7, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I may be the only one to read this tonight. You should definitely go to sleep since no one else seems to be awake. Usually I get to the blog after there are already nearly 50 - 100 comments.

Anyway, I'm not sure about this guy being our head coach after only 1 year at DC, but I'm still more enthusiastic about it than Fassel. Meeks or Mariucci would be great, but I'd rather have any of the coaches they've interviewed than Fassel. He didn't have a great record in college or the pros and the only reason he made it to the Superbowl was because he threw a tempertantrum on national television. That's not exactly the guy I'd thought might follow Joe. I do feel good about the fact that they're taking their time in making this decision though, at least they aren't grabbing the first guy that happens to come to mind. Not yet anyway.

Posted by: chill | February 7, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for Staying up and updating JLC!

Posted by: bzapf88 | February 7, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Grilliams: "It [the coaching selection process] was the most thorough process I've been involved in in the NFL."

I wonder why none of the top teams in the NFL have adopted this painfully elaborate process?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Sign here Spags, welcome to the team, I hope.

Posted by: kreitman4 | February 7, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Well, allow me to take one issue with the Jenkins column: (1) She talks about all the rookies Reese has drafted over the last few years still with the team, but Ernie Accorsi was in fact responsible for all of them up until the last draft; (2) she makes the ludicrous statement that if you want to know why the Giants are better, just look at David Tyree. Yes, Tyree had two great plays in the Super Bowl, but Super Bowls often turn on random players (think the MVPs of the most recent Cowboys-Steelers Super Bowl or Dexter Jackson from the Bucs). He also had all of 4--four!--catches in the regular season. Meanwhile, Cerrato gets no credit for guys like Anthony Montgomery or Leigh Torrence, both of whom were far more important to their team making the playoffs than Tyree was.

And don't give me the argument that that was all Gibbs; it may be true, but nobody here actually knows how much input Cerrato has had. Beyond that, it doesn't really make any sense to say that Williams learned how to be good at his job from Gibbs, but Cerrato couldn't have.

Jenkins may make some valid points, but as always, in the pursuit of her thesis she makes some other points that are completely intellectually dishonest (or just wrong). And as to the thesis, it seems a little odd to say that a franchise that has made the playoffs two of the last three years is as bad a job as there is in the NFL.

Posted by: A_Fly_Moses | February 7, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

i personally am filled with revulsion for the hate and agenda stuffed column by jenkins.

just what is her point ? that the redskins dont deserve the best candidate available ?
if so, who is going to be punished ? snyder ? the fan base ? if the team does not deserve the best candidate then who does it deserve ? the second best ? third best ?
worst ? and how long should this punishment last ? for a specific number of seasons ?
as long as snyder owns the team ? or until he kneels at the altar of her omniscience ?

i think there is a malevolence in jenkin's column that goes beyond fair and critical reporting. it is one thing to call ownership on poor performance, but it is quite another to WISH bad fortune upon the team and it's fans just because of a personal dislike of the owner.

ms jenkins should consider taking her
giant-worshiping behind to the meadowlands where it can be appreciated. she has worn out her welcome with redskin fans

Posted by: seltzer | February 7, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

One need not look any farther than Timmy Smith to recognize that one good Superbowl performance does not translate into a great or even good career.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 7, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Oh, one more quick point: I know it's common logic that we need a GM. But nobody really seems to focus on an important point: GM's aren't any different from coaches--some are good, some are bad. Ask the Lions how having a GM has worked out for them. Or, ask a team like the Seahawks or the Broncos how not having a separate GM has worked out for them. It's true that having a great GM is a good thing, but seriously: WE'VE MADE THE PLAYOFFS TWO OF THE LAST THREE YEARS! We really don't have it that bad.

Posted by: A_Fly_Moses | February 7, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

You're incredible, Jason!

My choices for the job:

1. Spags
2. Meeks

The other two (retreads) interest me far less.

Sally Jenkins's column was thoroughly misinformed. As much as I hate Snyder, you'd never get Marty, Spurrier or Grilliams to claim they didn't receive "decent treatment" while coaching the Redskins. Sally needs to either conduct thorough research in D.C. before commenting or she needs to write for another paper.

I hope for your sake, the search will wrap up by the end of the week. Until it does, thank you for your diligent reporting.

Posted by: drischord | February 7, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Sally's articles are always ridiculously negative and painful to read. I personally think she is extremely envious that someone younger than her owns the Redskins. I'm upset that Greg Williams did not get the head coaching job but would be okay with Meeks or Spags.

Posted by: olsendug | February 7, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

thanks JLC!! really appreciate your hard work tonight.

i would think at this point that snyder is trying to close the deal with spags. if it doesn't work out i hope we pass fassel, collect $200 and go directly to meeks.

Posted by: eeyeats | February 7, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

I hope Spags comes here...i feel he would be a great coach and i am looking forward to Coach Spags as our new Head Coach...Please sign on Coach

Posted by: macphersonmedia | February 7, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins nailed it. I've probably disagreed with her more often than not. Only Danny's money really talks. Danny is not respected, nor should he be.

Still, I think the candidates would be smart to take the job because it is a step in the right direction. Plus its a huge $$$ raise for whoever gets it. Is coaching for the Skins a 'graveyard'? No, but its not a place you should expect to stay. Norv and Marty both got jobs after their stints here.

Some days, you realize its better to take the money. You can get your respect back after leaving Danny's place.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

I think the main point of Jenkins' column is true. Snyder is way too hooked into gratifying his ego as the decider and tearer-downer for the team to succeed while he is owner. She may be off on some points but in the big picture she is right. And I actually appreciate that the paper published her column because the locally-based columnists are not going to write as hard hitting analysis. Super bowls are simply not won by teams that do not have legitimate human chemistry and the Redskins will never have it as long as Snyder is owner, which could be decades. That he has orchestrated this debacle of a search after having years to observe Joe Gibbs is in my opinion the final verdict on Snyder. He made big money in businesses that did not depend on anything like the level of human/emotional intelligence that successful team ownership does.

Posted by: petestephens72 | February 7, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Any idea what the agent for Spags is doing tonight? Hopefully reviewing a contract.

Posted by: tlpskins | February 7, 2008 01:09 AM

Considering that his client is pretty much guaranteed a huge payday one way or the other, he's probably perusing the Lamborghini website.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Beyond that, it doesn't really make any sense to say that Williams learned how to be good at his job from Gibbs, but Cerrato couldn't have.

Posted by: A_Fly_Moses

Sally is a Tard but I liked her last artical when she named all the toys Snyder likes, they were my fav so I think she was 10 years off on Snyder's toys.

Vinny is not an independent GM so who cares what he learned. VinnyDan run the show and Dan does not learn.

I think the blog splits one weather money will make up for the fact a stupid monkey is running this team. Also if you have a very short memory and/or where kicked in the head by a mule that will also give you a warm fuzzy feeling.

Spags OK if he gets some control. If not Fassel and we can rebuild next year.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

"It was the most thorough process I've been involved in in the NFL."

Can we do a new blog insult -

"Thorough" process

That was the most Thorough post I have ever read.

Iraq is the most Thorough war we have ever been in.

Sally is the most Thorough writer I know outside of Willbon.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Most NFL head coaches are given the power to hire coaches they know, trust and feel they can work with. This can't be a good sign that the HC is presiding over someone else's staff - that of the owner... or the top coordinator. But it still comes down to winning. If the HC wins division titles and playoff games, he'll stay on the job regardless who his assistant coaches are. But I'm sure he'd feel more comfortable with coaches he knows, respects and trusts rather than coaches the owner knows, respects and trusts.

OK, this sounds like the Skins, but its Rick Gosselin writing in the Dallas paper. You can fill in the names (Jones, Philips, Garrett).

Parcells turned things around there and Jerry Jones never let the cap get out of control. They have a lot of talent, but are certainly combustible.

Is Jerry Jones really the best role model for Dan Snyder?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

I think the ultimate irony is this. If GG had accomplished what he did elsewhere, Danny would have brought him to DC and probably hired him.

Because of the relationship between Danny and GG, GG lost the job. What does that say?

GG would be a HC right now in a normal year. But by the time Danny told him to clean out his desk, there were zero openings. Whoever takes the job is going to do it with eyes open, while looking for their next job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

GG would be a HC right now in a normal year. But by the time Danny told him to clean out his desk, there were zero openings. Whoever takes the job is going to do it with eyes open, while looking for their next job.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I don't think the last point is correct. He could interview with anyone for HC job. No one thought GG was a lock so that was not an issue. I do think he will coach again 2-3 years. Maybe the Rams.

The rest of what happened we can make an guess at but GG could deal with VinnyDan the way Gibbs could for several reasons. I think if Dan got a real GM and GG that would have been ideal.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

6:15 and all is weeeell.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins lives in New York but can not get a job with any of those papers so chooses to wright slam colums against the skins any chance she gets in the Post. She is a ugly hack who does not back her story with any facts just likes to hate on Snyder she can go F herself. This will be a good fit for Spaggs and he will do a good job he did not have any of his own coaches last year all the Giants Defensive staff was already in place when he took the job. This is still a good job and I will be very happy if we go with Spaggs because that will be the first time Dan did not go for the big name he is looking at this guy for potential instead of name recognition. And on another note F Sally Jenkins if you want to write for the Post move back to the area so you know what you are talking about.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I thought a solution too our problem with The Owner.

Communist revolution! Viva la revolution!!

If the Russians could get it to work for 70 years we could make it 100.

It will be just like MLS soccer.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Where's my previous post?

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Look back at all of Sally Jenkins' columns about the Resdkins and you'll find one common thread. She hates them. She couldn't spit out a decent word for the Redskins if her life depended on it. Why do we have to endure her poison pen letters here in DC? Let her stay on Long Island or wherever she crawls back to. What a load of nonsense. There are enough out of town papers and press sniping at the Redskins without the Post allowing this hack (or is it hag?) to spew her vomit here...

Posted by: oldcameras | February 7, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

I just think she is stupid. But when she doggs The Owner I enjoy it.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

I wrote out a nice long list of thoughts worth thinking... and I clicked submit... but they did not post... I can't remember them all to post again. ARGH!

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Just get your "friend" that only you can see to help you.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

OK, everyone piling on Jenkins for her column need to be aware of what they're not aware of. Such as, 1)she's right and 2)you're viewing this team through burgundy and gold glasses.

Snyder is serving up a nice, hot helping of sh*t stew each and every year he owns the team. Each season that this team is without a quality player personnel dept, is another season wasted. The Pats, the Steelers, and this season the Jags and Giants have proven that if you draft well and be patient, good things can happen. The Danny doesn't draft well and is not very patient.

And for those of you crowing about the fact that the team has made the playoffs 2 out of 3 years--that's a mirage! If this team is building through the draft and being smart in free agency, this team wins at least one Super Bowl over the 4 year span Gibbs is back. Think about it: 2006 was a year in which 8-8 gets you in the playoffs (and this team couldn't even manage that) and a mediocre team like Chicago goes to the Super Bowl. The 'Skins used to win it all in years like that (2 strike season championships) and this time they couldn't even get in the playoffs. Playoff contenders stay in contention, not fall off the face of the earth every other year. So this team is NOT in good shape, and any coach with real aspirations will not come here because you can't win in this situation. Some of you simply don't like Sally because she shoots straight about this team and doesn't give her words the hometown sugar-coating.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

So this team is NOT in good shape, and any coach with real aspirations will not come here because you can't win in this situation. Some of you simply don't like Sally because she shoots straight about this team and doesn't give her words the hometown sugar-coating.

Posted by: brownwood26

Are F-ing Sally?

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

A thought after reading the Jenkins article:

Vinny Cerrato is entering his 9th season with the Redskins. These are some draft choices and undrafted signings made during Vinny's time with the team:

Lorenzo Alexander (UFA)
Ladell Betts (2nd round)
H.B. Blades (6th round)
Jason Campbell (1st round)
Rock Cartwright (6th round)
Chris Cooley (3rd round)
Reed Doughty (6th round)
Kedric Golston (6th round)
Stephon Heyer (UFA)
LaRon Landry (1st round)
Rocky McIntosh (2nd round)
Anthony Montgomery (5th round)
Carlos Rogers (1st round)
Chris Samuels (1st round)
Fred Smoot (2nd round)
Sean Taylor (1st round)

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:43 AM | Report abuse

I had a cat named Sally. She was run over by a car in 1980.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Why are people not writing hate colums about the Cowgirls and the way they are run why are they not a laughing stock in the NFL my Daughter just turned 12 and you no what she has never witnessed the Cowgirls winning a playoff game. I would much rather have Snyder then Jerry(Nip/Tuck) Jones.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Also... Jenkins lives in NY? Man, she must really be scared that Spags is gonna leave the G-mean... and if they're sorry to see him go, maybe it means we're talking to the right guy.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

She couldn't spit out a decent word for the Redskins if her life depended on it.

Posted by: oldcameras | February 7, 2008 06:25 AM

What's been good to say over the last 16 years? When a team wins, good things are said. When a team loses, it gets trashed. You just don't like the messenger. I assure you if the 'Skins were winning, she'd be nuzzling at this team's crotch just like everyone else. If you can't see the dysfunction in this team, then Snyder is even making the fan base dysfunctional!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood why dont you take your head out of Sally A$$ if you hate the owner so much go root for another team we do not need you.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

What's more important? Regular season record, or post season wins? Maybe some of the constant turnover can be attributed to the negative press. Things aren't as bad as people seem to think. True, there's room for improvement - but 30 other teams can say that, too.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get why Snyder would accept the fan backlash by hiring Fassel. I just don't get it.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 7, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Fred Smoot (2nd round)
Sean Taylor (1st round)

Posted by: Wonsapnatm |

Yes except for Betts, smoot and Samules they were under Gibbs 2.0. Non were better then there draft spot Betts actually under performed. We got better when he was the president of football operations. Gibbs was running the show or as I like to say 'adult supervision'. Vinny can scout 'OK' it is the rest that is just bad beyond description.

Also until recently late round draft picks have not been too good. I don't know why.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Look at the goat and jaw line on Spags. Remind you of anyone?

http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/3/30/BillCowher.jpg

Plus, he's the youngest of the four remaining candidates. If continuity is so important to everyone, maybe we should hire a coach that has the health/physical potential of sticking around longer than the others.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Comunist Revolution eh. We do have red uniforms

Posted by: alex35332 | February 7, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Would anyone be surprised to see Art Shell at the news conference today?

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

So this team is NOT in good shape, and any coach with real aspirations will not come here because you can't win in this situation. Some of you simply don't like Sally because she shoots straight about this team and doesn't give her words the hometown sugar-coating.

Posted by: brownwood26

Are F-ing Sally?

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 06:41 AM

No, my wife might have issues with that.

But I just refuse to continue eating sh*t candy bars and being told by Snyder and other 'Skins fans that it's a Snickers. What this team is doing doesn't work. And it seems that everyone except Snyder and some delusional fans know that. So I've come to grips with the fact that this team will continue in medicrity as long as things are done this way. And fluff columns from some "local" columnists isn't going to change it or make me feel better. Wilbon is from Chicago and I don't hear anyone killing him for a) being from Chicago or b) being critical of the Redskins. I'm not exactly a big Sally fan, but I just don't understand all the venom for her column if the content is true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

It is because she does not know anything about this team. Although I did like her last column. But is allowed to write about us from NY every 2-3 months.

Many of us HATE Snyder but the Giants are not some Supper team. VinnyDan if left in control will destroy us again.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Why are people not writing hate colums about the Cowgirls and the way they are run why are they not a laughing stock in the NFL my Daughter just turned 12 and you no what she has never witnessed the Cowgirls winning a playoff game. I would much rather have Snyder then Jerry(Nip/Tuck) Jones.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 06:44 AM

That's because ESPN nuzzles at Jerry's crotch all the time (ever notice their Sunday NFL Countdown is almost ENTIRELY made up of former Cowboys?)and almost never criticizes them. And I hate to say it, but the 'Skins have been helped in their two playoff wins over the same span by playing playoff patsies (Detroit, Tampa). And let's face it: the Spurrier fiasco made us a laughing stock that was only temporarily subdued by hiring Gibbs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey Brownwood why dont you take your head out of Sally A$$ if you hate the owner so much go root for another team we do not need you.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 06:48 AM

Hey, I love burgundy and gold as much as anyone. But I REFUSE to be told I have to take losing and like it. This team is too prestigous (historically) and in too good a market to perform like this. You can't tell me you're not even a little outraged by the fact that one of the great feel good stories in years (this team overcame the death of their best player and the stellar play of a backup QB that hasn't started in 10 years) is now being overshadowed by a mockery of a coaching search.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Tampa's a playoff patsy? I seem to remember them winning the Super Bowl not too long ago.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

It is sad that PG County, 1/4 mile away from FedEx Field, that someone would kill 3 people in an argument during the SuperBowl ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604390.html?nav=hcmoduletmv ).

This is just another example of why the Redkins need to come out to PG and DC and talk to the youth about Gun Violence.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

It is because she does not know anything about this team. Although I did like her last column. But is allowed to write about us from NY every 2-3 months.

Many of us HATE Snyder but the Giants are not some Supper team. VinnyDan if left in control will destroy us again.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 06:58 AM

Most of these columnists are outside DC. They're traveling most of the time to cover these and other teams. So location means nothing.

And I don't hear anyone deifying the Giants. I don't know about you, but I think the 'Skins could take them. But as much as I hate NY, I have to admit their front office looks a hell of a lot better than ours right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Spagnuolo was THE hot candidate for other teams looking for a head coach, but none of them felt like waiting to interview him. Let me ask you this... would you rather have Mike Smith or John Harbaugh as your head coach? Maybe it's good to wait if it means making the right decision in the end. Also... Harbaugh got a head job and he wasn't even a coordinator. But he did work on the same staff Spags did in Philly.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Tampa's a playoff patsy? I seem to remember them winning the Super Bowl not too long ago.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 07:05 AM

Yeah, 5 years ago. And they haven't won a playoff game since. They held the 'Skins to 120 yards in that game and lost at home. That qualifies as patsy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

OR you could give the Skins credit for out-"D"ing one of the most respectable defenses in the NFL the last several years.

On a separate note... look at all the people who served under Monte Kiffin then went on to be great coaches. Now look at the ones who served under Jim Johnson and are now getting their shots. Nothing to do with the Skins, but Kiffin and Johnson deserve some props.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

So what is the biggest joke conference this year?

I think the four weakest were the NFC West, AFC West and NFC South and AFC East.
I have to go with AFC West. Outside of SD none of the teams there were any good. But same is true for all divisions.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 7, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Sally really showed her hate today. It funny how the G-Men were getting crush here in NY just about all season. Now that they one the SB they are so great. A guy on 1050 yesterday said he would take Eli over Payton in a playoff run.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

First let me say that as a life long Redskins fan that to date I am not happy with the job that Dan Snyder has done. But everyone has to admit that this man is not stupid. Stupid men do not make the amount of money in business that this man has made at twice his age.

That said yes we fans are suffering through his learning process. He is obviously a huge Redskins fan. He is doing something most of us can only dream. He wants to be involved in the decision making process of his football team. Has he made mistakes yes. Will he learn from his mistakes? YES.

The biggest thing I believe that he has learned is patience. He obviously has more patience than we do. If not he would probably already hired a HC and perhaps made a huge mistake that in years to come everyone would be slamming him about.

Things have definitely changed in the last 4 years. The team has been drafting better as noted in above posts. I believe we are headed into this draft with most of our picks in hand for a change. Last year was a fairly quiet off season. Perhaps a lesson learned from his early mistakes.

He just spent 4 years at the University of Joe Gibbs football. Now let's give him a chance and see what he has learned.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Please don't let him pick Fassel. And let the now coach win so Sally can eat her words.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Coat the words in a nice layer of crisco and mustard and I am sure she will.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 7, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

The biggest thing I believe that he has learned is patience. He obviously has more patience than we do. If not he would probably already hired a HC and perhaps made a huge mistake that in years to come everyone would be slamming him about.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 07:38 AM

I'll admit I find your intelligently positive outlook frefreshing. However, I have to disagree with the above quote.

Snyder's not being patient, he's lost. He had no Plan B for the time when Gibbs left (which he should have been better prepared for since Gibbs was of retirement age when he took this job to begin with), and he's pussy-footing. It shouldn't take 4 interviews for you to decide you don't like a guy who's been in the building for 4 years. And it seems he's looking to hire a guy he likes personally, not necessarily someone who would be best for the team. I don't know too many people who would hang out with Belichick, but at least 25 owners would fire the guy the have to hire him.

I need Snyder to hire a guy NOT named Gibbs, and give him every benefit of the doubt and the same patience that he afforded Gibbs before we call him patient. If Spags has a 5-11 year like Gibbs did in '06, and keeps his job, that's a start.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Let the annual renogotiations begin... what a joke.

I also love the part about the Giants preparing a counter offer. Yep, this is all working out perfectly for Spags...

Oh, and Sally Jenkins basically hit the nail on the head with her article. She said everything I've been trying to say for the last few days about Spags.

Coach Spags, enjoy your 2 mill raise with the Giants.

Recycling bin Fassel, welcome to the Redskins.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

JUST SAY "NO TO FASSEL

Posted by: jamesrice | February 7, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I guess Josh McDaniels isn't getting an interview this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Giants scheme to keep Spagnuolo
Posted: Thursday February 07, 2008 05:48AM ET
According to a source close to assistant Steve Spagnuolo, the Giants have already told him they're willing to do whatever they can to keep him if he ends up getting offered the Redskins' head coaching job. That would include a raise, a contract extension, and possibly even the title of assistant head coach. However, they're only willing to go so far, and it doesn't appear that the Giants will do for Spagnuolo what the Cowboys did last month for offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. To prevent Garrett from leaving for either the Falcons or Ravens, the Cowboys gave him a new contract reportedly worth $3 million per season. The Giants also will not promise Spagnuolo that they'll make him next in line to be the Giants' head coach.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

A thought after reading the Jenkins article:

Vinny Cerrato is entering his 9th season with the Redskins. These are some draft choices and undrafted signings made during Vinny's time with the team:

Lorenzo Alexander (UFA)
Ladell Betts (2nd round)
H.B. Blades (6th round)
Jason Campbell (1st round)
Rock Cartwright (6th round)
Chris Cooley (3rd round)
Reed Doughty (6th round)
Kedric Golston (6th round)
Stephon Heyer (UFA)
LaRon Landry (1st round)
Rocky McIntosh (2nd round)
Anthony Montgomery (5th round)
Carlos Rogers (1st round)
Chris Samuels (1st round)
Fred Smoot (2nd round)
Sean Taylor (1st round)

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | February 7, 2008 06:43 AM

16 players in 9 years...impressive.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"Things have definitely changed in the last 4 years. The team has been drafting better as noted in above posts. I believe we are headed into this draft with most of our picks in hand for a change."

I like how heading into the draft with less than our full compliment of draft picks is seen as positive. Oh, and we won't have a full allotment next year either.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Betts was drafted by Marty

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 7, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

That's not too impressive a list. See Betts' stats last season? Carlos Rogers couldn't cover his mouth when he coughed. He had maybe 2-3 good games since he came to this team. Fred Smoot? Lost a step. Rock, Rocky, Cooley and Landry? Solid players, each and every one. Sean Taylor-damn good but gone. Look at what the Giants drafted in 2007 and look how they each contributed in the Super Bowl. We have to face the fact we're the Washington Raiders right now. Until Danny sells the team, we're screwed. Run, Spags, run....

Posted by: Soups1 | February 7, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Smoot was a Marty pick while Cerrato was "on leave."

And the story going around on Carlos Rogers was that he was a Gregg pick. Vinny had wanted to pick Shawne Merriman.

I think Jasno mentioned that with Vinny firmly in charge we will finally know whether he can find personnel or not. He definitely did a good job last year with some of the late round/undrafted picks. Snagging Mix from the Giants (on JC's recommendation) seemed like a good move.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Umm most of the players listed in that list were either drafted by Marty or Gibbs. You have to look at the Spurrier and Turner years to find the ones drafted and picked up by Vindan.

Those include players like:

Mark Carrier
Bruce Smith
Deoin Sanders

I think that Randy Thomas was picked up as an FA during that time. That is the only guy I can think of that was really not a bust under their watch and heck even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I thought Betts was drafted by (gulp) the Ol' Ball Coach...

psps,

Tell me about it. We've had the least amount of draft picks in the NFL since Snyder took over... by a lot. That's not only ridiculous, but it's reckless.

And your point about 16 players in 9 years as impressive, well think about what the Skins could do if they had 7-10 picks per year like most teams.

People like to point out that we have been able to draft all of these guys, but has 16 players in 9 years really gotten us anywhere under Snyder? 1 playoff win (1 that he also inherrited) and 1 home playoff game... in 10 years... and a 20 mill cap deficit this year.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Betts was drafted by Marty

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 7, 2008 08:39 AM

No, Betts was drafted in 2002 by Spurrier. Marty was the guy who took 2-3 years off of Stephen Davis' career, and was the only coach in the NFL to actually get some production out of Ki-Jana Carter. God I miss Martyball...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Smoot was a Marty pick while Cerrato was "on leave."

And the story going around on Carlos Rogers was that he was a Gregg pick. Vinny had wanted to pick Shawne Merriman.

I think Jasno mentioned that with Vinny firmly in charge we will finally know whether he can find personnel or not. He definitely did a good job last year with some of the late round/undrafted picks. Snagging Mix from the Giants (on JC's recommendation) seemed like a good move.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 08:43 AM

Merriman or Rogers who's the better player Maybe this is one of the reason GW isn't our coach. Merriman would have been the pass rusher we needed.

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 7, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I would do just about anything for Marty Ball at this point.

I would also do just about anything to see Danny Boy trapped in a dessert, with no food or water, and several hundred buzzards flying overhead.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

God I miss Martyball...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 08:46 AM

Lot of people miss Martyball. He's been fired in more NFL cities than anyone else out there.

Remember Marty's first pick? Rod Gardner. The next pick in that draft, by the New York Jets, was Santana Moss. He was a shrewd judge of talent. He also ran off Brian Mitchell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26, you must be new to the block if you think we don't hate on Wilbon. Wilbon is pretty much universally disliked on this blog.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I think I understand the purpose of the all-night sessions. Snyder wants to know whether the new coach is capable of staying up as late and worrying as Gibbs did at his peak.

Posted by: doolindalton | February 7, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Remember Marty's first pick? Rod Gardner. The next pick in that draft, by the New York Jets, was Santana Moss. He was a shrewd judge of talent. He also ran off Brian Mitchell.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 08:52 AM

Marty then picked Smoot in the second round. And later in the draft he picked Sage Rosenfelds.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 7, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"I would also do just about anything to see Danny Boy trapped in a dessert"

mmmm dessert!

I really would like to see dannyboy trapped in a peach cobbler or a sparkling champaign fruit gelatin.

Very "Titus"-esque

Posted by: Dorf | February 7, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that most of it is true ... The timing of Sally Jenkins' article and the fact that she lives in NY make the article suspect. The Post should have included an article on the other side. We Redskins fans live in hope that "past performance is not an indication of future performance" These are not stupid people, maybe they learn from the past.

Posted by: BobD3 | February 7, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's not being patient, he's lost. He had no Plan B for the time when Gibbs left (which he should have been better prepared for since Gibbs was of retirement age when he took this job to begin with), and he's pussy-footing. It shouldn't take 4 interviews for you to decide you don't like a guy who's been in the building for 4 years. And it seems he's looking to hire a guy he likes personally, not necessarily someone who would be best for the team. I don't know too many people who would hang out with Belichick, but at least 25 owners would fire the guy the have to hire him.
I need Snyder to hire a guy NOT named Gibbs, and give him every benefit of the doubt and the same patience that he afforded Gibbs before we call him patient. If Spags has a 5-11 year like Gibbs did in '06, and keeps his job, that's a start.
Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 07:49 AM
Well I am not sure we can fault him for not being ready to replace Gibbs. Every time this question came up Gibbs said that he planned on fulfilling his contract. With only 1 year to go I do not believe anyone really thought in advance that Gibbs would retire prior to the end of his contract. In hind sight we can understand his decision but that is always 20/20. And there are some things in life you just never admit to yourself that they could happen.

Again we have to accept that Snyder is going to be involved with the decision making going forward. He has to be able to work with whoever is the HC. Even GW admits he has some people management issues from his experience in Buffalo. Also as someone else pointed out, no other team even bothered to interview GW for the HC position. He was not locked in here. There was nothing preventing a team from at least pursuing GW. Early on in the process here it became evident that he was not a lock. Yet no other team interviewed him. Perhaps there is more here than we are aware. And the 4 interviews was patience. Perhaps Snyder may have already known that GW was not his guy and gave him every chance to change his mind.

Again I say we fans are stuck with Snyder love him or hate him he is not going anywhere. When he started this process he had 0% experience in football. If he is willing to spend $800 + million on his education we are going to just have to pray that he learns how to get the job done. And I still say that the best step in that process was to spend 4 years learning under Joe Gibbs. He has completed his BF (Bachelors of Football) let's see how he performs while he works on his MF.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"The biggest thing I believe that he has learned is patience. He obviously has more patience than we do. If not he would probably already hired a HC and perhaps made a huge mistake that in years to come everyone would be slamming him about."

There's a fine line between patience and complacence. Don't discount the fact that his lengthy decision process is losing him candidates. If you find the right man, you hire him. That's it. You don't need to take 4 interviews and a month without contact to decide if somebody will come along who's better suited for the job.

Snyder used to be the guy that when he found who he wanted, he wouldn't let that guy out of his sight before a deal was in place. Now he's done a 180, and just lets his candidates run free hoping that they'll come back to him when he calls.

Remember, it was originally reported that GW pulled his name from the list of candidates. It was GW's decision, not Snyder's. GW wanted out.

And what if the best candidates out there were Jim Caldwell or Jason Garrett? What if Snyder secretly had them at the top of his list? But he and his "due diligence" released them to get counter-offered by Indy and Dallas, and they agreed.

Snyder used to be the guy that snatched up whoever he wanted. Now he's having it get done by other owners. Not necessarily for those two guys listed before, but it is getting done. Remember a couple weeks ago, who was at the top of Snyder's reported list? Jim Mora. What if at the end of this whole process, it turns out that Mora was the best out of any candidate out there? Snyder had to go through his "thorough process", he allowed Mora to leave, and Mora decided to take his options elsewhere. The old Snyder would've had his man on the 1st try. The new Snyder allowed his man to leave.

I'm not saying that any of these guys would've been the best choice for Snyder. In fact, I think Snyder has lucked out with Spags ending up so hot, being IMO the best candidate, and being able to be the last guy interviewed. What I AM saying is that this whole process was done incorrectly. I'm saying that if Spags was available and was interviewed a month ago, and Snyder opted to practiced his "due diligence", it's very likely that Spags would've went elsewhere.

He lucked out and now has Spags available, but the way Snyder went about this process just screamed for a mediocre selection. He very well would have waited and waited for the next best guy to come along, then finally realize that there is no perfect guy, and by the time he turned around all his "plan B" top choices would've been snatched up. All he would've been left with are "plan C" retreads and leftovers that weren't good enough for any other jobs out there.

Just one man's opinion.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I still like Wilbon

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

adamchall, if I were an editor I would have slashed your dissertation down to 3 sentences, not 3 paragraphs... up here, we enjoy brevity.

1. SJK happens, deal with it.

2. We don't really know anything so what's the use of guessing?

3. Wait and see...

That pretty much sums it up.
How was that Cindy?

Posted by: Dorf | February 7, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I miss Dan Patrick... arrogant, but in a humble kind of way...

Posted by: Dorf | February 7, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I like Wilbon. And I'm willing to wait until Snyder chooses a head coach before berating him for (a) choosing Fassel: (b) choosing Marriucci; (c) not choosing Gregg Williams; (d) choosing anyone; and (e) the way he conducted the selection process. Like they said in Dodge City, "Come on boys. Let justice be done. Let's give him a fair trial first, and then we'll string him up."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Here is the problem that I have with Sally's article. Despite the fact that the teams split the seasonal games this year, and both made the playoffs, she points to Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, David Tyree, and Jay Alford as prudent, proficient draft choices, which I say is definitively not true. While they all might have had a great super bowl, let me give you their regular season stats:

Steve Smith 2nd round Pick - 8 receptions
Kevin Boss - 5th round Pick - 9 Receptions
David Tyree - Don't know - 4 receptions
Jay Alford - 1 regular season tackle, from the stats that I could gather on the Posts NFL section.

Steve Smith was a second round pick, don't you expect more than 8 catches from him?
Kevin Boss, the Giants lost shockey, who is a vital part of this offense, but yet Boss only ended up with 9 catches?
Alford was impressive on that sack, but did the Redskins not pick up Chris Wilson who had 4 times that number of sacks?

She's morphed into the female version of Len P.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Very well said gregmarino88

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Sally Jenkins wrote this piece of dreck column in 2005; therefore, I would advise that any Post reader not take any of her columns seriously.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800964.html

Posted by: mgonter | February 7, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I think the ultimate irony is this. If GG had accomplished what he did elsewhere, Danny would have brought him to DC and probably hired him.

Because of the relationship between Danny and GG, GG lost the job. What does that say?

GG would be a HC right now in a normal year. But by the time Danny told him to clean out his desk, there were zero openings. Whoever takes the job is going to do it with eyes open, while looking for their next job.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 03:46 AM

Good point! That has been one of the main criticisms of Danny. He readlily spends milions of dollars on free agents, while allowing players already on the roster to depart. That is what he is doing now. He allows Gregg Williams to go away, and will spend a ton of money to hire Spags. The Redskins way of doing things doesn't build any loyalty to the team. When you get a player through the draft, he will be far more loyal to the organization than someone you buy from free agency.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

all were still more productive than:

Brandon Lloyd - acquired for 3rd and 4th round picks - 2 receptions

I love me some scape goat.

Posted by: Dorf | February 7, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins nailed it. I am a lifelong home-bread Redskins fan. I left the Metro area 10 years ago. I'm still a fan. Always will be. But so long as Dan Snyder owns the team, they will go nowhere but down.

Dan, please, do us all an enormous favor and sell the team. Maybe Gibbs has enough NASCAR money saved to invest in such a venture?

Posted by: jontp007 | February 7, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks JM.

I mean, I don't know how you look at those 4 guys, and think that the Giants are so far ahead of the Redskins.

She gives us Jay Alford, I'll give you Chris Wilson, Montgomery, and Golston

She lists Kevin Boss, I'll give you Todd Yoder.

She lists Ahmad Bradshaw, I'll give you Rock Cartwright.

You can play this game all day long, Sally needed to do a little more research in my mind to have her article have a little more evidence to back it up, rather than coming across as having an axe to grind.

Just my .02...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind Wilbon. He hits and misses. His opinions on the Sean-T situation aggravated me. I can't STAND long range NY condo sniper Sally Jenkins. Sick of her.

Speaking of which, look how quickly NY vultures swoop in and eat away the good handling of the Sean T. sitaution by Snyder.

(1) Gibbs quit on Snyder, not the other way around.
(2) Snyder had his problems with Greg Williams, who would have been my choice to replace Gibbs. This is his purview as the owner. We will probably never know the truth of what happened in the interviews.
(3) Zorn and Blache are credible coordinators. For all the rope some wanted to give Saunders, 5 or 6 games into the season, the Redskins had no touchdowns to wide receivers. Embarassing. Something like Saunders and Lazor had to change.
(4) Vinny as a non-autonomous GM figurehead is the big joke. Snyder is indefensible here.
(5) Hiring Fassel will be indefensible and could lead to a player revolt. An uninsipring choice at best.

Snyder will hopefully build upon the foundation of stability and logical strategy Gibbs laid down, perhaps with a few tweaks. You can't play not to lose in today's game, and you can't trade all your draft picks for Veterans. Things Gibbs stubbornly refused to adapt to in his second run.

The positives about Spags is that he might force the Skins into 21st century thinking about how to generate a powerful pass rush from the end position and interior D-line positions. The ends and D-line were all the difference in G-men pressuring Brady the Superbowl, and in Seattle, the opposing d-rush and lack of d-rush is what booted the Skins from the playoffs.

Since there is no validated way to vote Snyder out of is ownership position, we have to hope he has learned over these years and keep an optimisitc outlook.


Posted by: DownTownClown | February 7, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Beantown,

You are missing some key pieces to that, although I don't disagree with your uber-thesis:

Steve Smith was hurt in training camp (or first game) either way he missed the majority of the year. As soon as he came back he improved the offense and filled the third reciever void on the team.

Boss, maybe only 9 catches but some big ones and some TDs. You also can't discount the fact that, as a rookie, he allowed the Jints to not miss shockey at all. Which for a team as mentally fragile as the Jints used to be was important. And 9 catches in the games he started in at the TE position anint that bad. Shockey played every down when he was healthy so....

Tyree was suppossed to be there 3rd WR for a few years now, and was hurt and was really a special teams standout. It does say something that you keep players on edge of your roster who can step up when needed. Something the Skins only started to be able to say last year.

I think Jenkins is a lazy writer who espouses "Conventional Wisdom" she is like the sports version of political pundits (on the right and left) who just echo chamber groupspeak in the 24 hours news cycle. But she doesn't offend me outside the norm of being offended by layiness....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Smith was hurt all year, boss didnt even play until shockey got hurt against us, and the scored big on their first round pick Ross, he had a good rookie year.

Posted by: SAK2 | February 7, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

CL, Ok, so Smith was hurt all year, does that make him a good draft pick though?? Isn't it premature to list him as anything other than an UNKNOWN at this point? I agree, the article was based off one game, and generally came across to me as poorly researched, and lazy.

sak, the Redskins scored big on their first round pick as well. Whats your point?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Sinorice Moss anyone?

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 7, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Is Spags still in town?

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Again I say we fans are stuck with Snyder love him or hate him he is not going anywhere. When he started this process he had 0% experience in football. If he is willing to spend $800 + million on his education we are going to just have to pray that he learns how to get the job done. And I still say that the best step in that process was to spend 4 years learning under Joe Gibbs. He has completed his BF (Bachelors of Football) let's see how he performs while he works on his MF.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 09:05 AM

Does adamchall ring a bell with people.

I just want to know because if the DANBOTs are back then ............

Something is going to happen

"what"

Something Wonderful

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

From what I saw of Smith this season, he appears to be 50/50 version 2.0.

Sure he made some clutch third down catches, but he was also directly responsible for Eli's pick. I saw him drop as many as he caught in the times I watched him play.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino,

I believe that Sally Jenkins was impressed by the total number of last year's draft picks that made the team. Recognizing which players have a chance to make the squad and placing them into a coach's hands is a big part of a general manager's job. To have them perform in a meaningful way in the Superbowl is just icing on the cake. Their stats in the upcoming years will tell more of the story.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that Sally Jenkins wrote this piece of dreck column in 2005; therefore, I would advise that any Post reader not take any of her columns seriously.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/28/AR2005082800964.html

Posted by: mgonter

This is very funny. Thanks, Yall gots to read this.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"There's a fine line between patience and complacence. Don't discount the fact that his lengthy decision process is losing him candidates. If you find the right man, you hire him. That's it. You don't need to take 4 interviews and a month without contact to decide if somebody will come along who's better suited for the job."

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 09:07 AM

My first response to this would be huh? Complacence and Dan Snyder in the same sentence. Come on this man is the poster child for type "A" high strung control freak. That is why patience was such a tuff thing for him to attempt to learn. You are also assuming that one of the interviewees blew is socks off and he ignored it to look for the next best thing. Who's to say that Spag's has not been his number one choice all along? He did not interview any of the Pat's coaches. So he would have hired his 2nd or 3rd pick because his number 1st choice made it to the Super Bowl. That would have been the exact thing the old Snyder would have done.

This is not an exact science and yes he may still get it wrong. We will not know for say 3 to 5 years. My overall point is still this we need to show the patience that we expect from Snyder. He by all accounts is young. He is really just getting started in football. Give the guy a chance.

Lets go back to the beginning and see how great these great owners and organizations started. Lets use the poster boy Art Rooney SR. and the Pittsburgh Steelers. They started in 1933 with a 3-6-2 record. Their 1st winning season came 9 years later in 1942. Worst season 1969 1-13. They did not win their First AFC championship until 1972 and Super Bowl 1974. Hopefully it will not take the Snyder family 39 years to figure this thing out.

I still believe this thing will turn around.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

driley, fine, but that was what her argument kind of hinged on as the difference between the 2 clubs, and I contend that the Redskins have had a good number of draft picks, late round/free agents make the team as well. She made it out to be a GLARING discrepancy between the 2 teams. Heck, the Redskins had a rookie free agent starting at right tackle for about 13 games, was that ever considered by her when writing her piece? I'd guess no.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon suffers from talking head syndrome. What makes you a good TV personality doesn't make you a good newspaper journalist.

Instead of bringing a level headed well thought out discussion/opinion to TV he has brought the Jim Rome like rants to newspaper. The screaming and "knuckle heads" schtick works well on PTI but not in the pages of the WaPo.

I don't mind Wilbon the talking head and if that's how he wants to roll then more power to him. But don't bring that garbage back to print media where what you write is there on the page for all eternity.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Spagnuolo hiring seems iminent. Can we start with his nick-name now? Spags is not very creative.

Anyone else notice he looks alot like Officer Garcia on Reno 911?

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 7, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

He by all accounts is young. He is really just getting started in football. Give the guy a chance.

Lets go back to the beginning and see how great these great owners and organizations started. Lets use the poster boy Art Rooney SR. and the Pittsburgh Steelers. They started in 1933 with a 3-6-2 record. Their 1st winning season came 9 years later in 1942. Worst season 1969 1-13. They did not win their First AFC championship until 1972 and Super Bowl 1974. Hopefully it will not take the Snyder family 39 years to figure this thing out.

I still believe this thing will turn around.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 09:50 AM

No. how can you know the Art Rooney thing and don't know that 9 freaking years is a long time in football (BA is 4-5 years).

Owning a team, from the football side, can't be that hard just hire a GM. Unless you want to meddle with things and be the GM. Then I would take a long time.

I think I have found a DANBOT. Does anyone know who this chap is.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Also Beantown, a bit disingenuous to compare Bradshaw to the Rock.

You can't deny the Giants the RB issue. They lost Tiki sure but were mad deep: Jacobs, Ward who was blowing up pre-injury, Droughns who did contribute, Bradshaw and TRADED Ryan Grant at the begininng of the season...


pretty impressive. Reese is the bomb, and Accorssi was a football guy that winning teams must have....you can't argue that.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Sally has problems - she knows little about football.
Dan has problems - he knows little about football.
Dan shows signs of learning, Sally does not.


Posted by: pat5387 | February 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"OK, everyone piling on Jenkins for her column need to be aware of what they're not aware of. Such as, 1)she's right and 2)you're viewing this team through burgundy and gold glasses."

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 06:38 AM

Also, noticed alot of the long SJ posts were by new names ... I'm guessing ES.

Personally, I don't read Sally Jenkins either (b/c she tends to jinx the Skins ... when she praises them ... they lose the next week).

I also don't understand posters coming here to complain about SJ ... don't you know the reason to post here is to complain about the beat reporter? (that is sarcasm, barno). My advice is that, if you don't like her stuff, don't read it.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is media savvy and Mon-Thurs are the optimal days to make announcements for maximum impact. Friday pressers don't have the impact (people travel, etc.).

Look for a presser today. If it doesn't come by tomorrow, he's got real significant problems.

Posted by: gdennie | February 7, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Sally does not own a team and hang out with Gibbs.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Owning a team, from the football side, can't be that hard just hire a GM.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 09:56 AM

Mul,

Simple, huh? 29 teams last year had GMs. (I'm excluding Raiders, 'Skins, Cowboys). Of the 29, only 10 made the playoffs. So what does a GM get you? A one-in-three shot at the playoffs?

Oh, two of the other three teams made the playoffs.

GM is not a panacea.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that the way this blog normally rolls (myself included) I would think we'd be in complete agreement with Sally here.

It just goes to show that nobody circles the wagons the the RI peeps!

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator is breaking fools off today, I likes it.

Posted by: sams3 | February 7, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

" ... Recycling bin Fassel, welcome to the Redskins."

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 07:51 AM

Ultimately, I think the fans would embrace Fassel if they make it to the playoffs. Until then, replace the word "Recycling" with "Osama" and lets get this show on the road!

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

GM is not a panacea.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

No but meddling owners have not done well the last 13 years. Dan is a total moron is that not obvious. Dallas had a bit of luck with Minn in 89-90 and they drove off there Supperbowl winning coach.

Also we spend more than most teams. Some teams do not really compete at all. So no I am not a Crazed fan who questions every pick and play and cry if it does not work out. I just want a chance and feel good about my team (not just winning).

Dan needs a buffer between him and "football" and pancakes too. He tried to bring in the 3-4, Fassel, and the west cost offense WTF. Drove of Williams ect.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

For all the positives and negatives about Snyder, ALL would have to agree that he bleeds Redskin blood. Many owners take over a team just to have a "toy" to play with. Snyder actually loves football and the Redskins.

Yes, he has made some mistakes but for Jenkins to equate Snyder and Angelos is a big mistake.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 7, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Meeks or Grimms for me, please. Can I get that to go, with a side order of O' Danny boy leaving the team alone?

We will wake up from this Dream...

Posted by: Berndaddy | February 7, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

It is inaccurate to blame Gibbs for putting Danny in a predicament by his retirement. Gibbs left us in terrific shape. Williams basically has been apprenticing under Gibbs for 4 years. He would have been ready to step right in for Gibbs and keep on trucking. I remember reading somewhere that Gibbs was thinking about retiring in order to keep Williams from becoming the head coach of another team. In a perfect world Williams would have been named coach and Gibbs would have remained as Team President.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Snyder its and Ego boost, that she was right about. He has got to win his way.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Also Beantown, a bit disingenuous to compare Bradshaw to the Rock.

Really? Rock had 2 carries, zero catches, and still had more total yards than Bradshaw did.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

greg(b) maybe cL can speak for himself (as if!), but I think the point is that Rock is a 6 year vet (I don't remember which round) and Bradshaw was a rookie out of the seventh.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that the way this blog normally rolls (myself included) I would think we'd be in complete agreement with Sally here.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 10:05 AM

Good point! My take on the woman is that she's not very balanced, but jeez, she's still more balanced than most of us posting up here.

I think we agree with what she says but we question her right to say it because, well, we hate her.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Who is this mul chap? Seems like a JLABOT to me. We better point that out every single time he makes an anti-Snyder post.

Seriously man, we get it, you don't like Snyder. DANBOT was funny maybe the first two times, but it's getting really boring. Find a new catch phrase. May I suggest you take something from an old Batman cartoon, like "WHOPM" or "SHAZAM!"

Posted by: -swb | February 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Columnists like Wilbon and Jenkins are not reporters. They are not paid to paint an unbiased and accurate picture of events. They are paid to write their opinion - this means they have to pick a side, and then pick and chose facts to support their particular point of view. Anyone who strongly agrees with any such opinion is either 1) A "weak-minded fool" or 2) Just as opinionated and unconcerned with the real truth. A person who likes things to be black and white because it makes them feel comfortable... so they are drawn towards these sort of rediculously one-sided articles.

We don't know all the facts of this situation. We don't know all the motivations of the players involved. We are just speculating. It may seem easy to paint the redskins organization as a dysfunctional mess, just as it was easy for so many of us to paint Gibbs as some sort of messiah - but the truth is that in things like this, the actual facts are not one extreme or another.

this is not a black and white situation because people are involved. Figuratively speaking, people are not black and white. People are varying shades of grey. We shouldn't try to "categorize and compartmentalize" every aspect of this situation into one neat little picture. It is a complicated and dynamic situation involving a number of people (snyder, cerrato, fassel, spags, etc) who want to win a superbowl. That is everyone's goal here - whether they go about it the way we personally think they should or not.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

dc, Rock was a 7th round pick as well.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Snyder is media savvy....

Posted by: gdennie | February 7, 2008 10:00 AM

Sorry but this is a myth, I understand that he built a media/marketing empire but when it actually comes to Danny he is not media savvy. He hides in his shell, pops out and speaks only to his mouth peices like Bram Weinstein and George Michael. He speaks of continiuty then doesn't do it. Bad mouths other reporters with petty jabs.

He is simply not media savvy. No one likes the guy. He gets bad press and most everyone dislikes the guy. He could have parlayed the good will built up with the ST tragedy and instead he squandered it quickish.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting Spags left without a contract offer and looks like Fassel will be the man. Good god, after all my years of being a fan the announcing of Fassel as coach will rate as one of the most depressing.

Posted by: mofass79 | February 7, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Just heard on ESPN First Take that Spags went home last night without a contract. Concerned about personnel decisions.

Top choice still Fassel w/Mooch second according to the report.

Can't find anything on the net.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I went to the SJ column just to see if, in fact, the DANBOT horde (hats off to mul and -swb) posted there too. Yikes! 173 comments by 10:30 ... how often has she gotten THAT kind of a response. Go internet!

Also, looking closely at the picture of Spagnuolo on her column, can't you just imagine that picture being taken right after he says to the team, "raise your hand if you like Tiki." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/06/AR2008020604290.html

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

'can't you just imagine that picture being taken right after he says to the team, "raise your hand if you like Tiki."'
Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:37 AM

Either that or he was the only one with a stuffy nose when Strahan hit a hole in one.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Just heard on ESPN First Take that Spags went home last night without a contract. Concerned about personnel decisions.

Top choice still Fassel w/Mooch second according to the report.

Can't find anything on the net.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 10:36 AM


Well if Spags is out of it, then i hope it's Mooch not Fasssel

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 7, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, if though Grilliams did not have the $1M consolation clause in his contract for not getting the HC job, the Skins might be coughing up that extra $1M regardless.
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/020708/jag_244520169.shtml

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Synder doesn't bleed burgandy and gold only green! He has mismanaged the skins from Day 1 and all this talk about stability and continuity is a farce.

Boycott Synder and his stupidity!!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 7, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I just find it funny that sportswriters are now holding up the Giants as the model franchise, when five weeks ago no one was giving them a glimmer of hope to go deep in the playoffs, much less win the super bowl. Anyone can see the wisdom of decisions made, systems employed, etc. after the fact. I'm not the world's biggest Dan Snyder fan, but I give him credit for taking his time in this process while the media has been dissecting his every move, screaming for resolution and wearing it's characteristic impatience on its sleeve. And please stop moaning about not having a GM. We have one, and his name is Vinny Cerrato. Love him or hate him, like the way Snyder runs the front office or not, you can't argue with the list of young talent we've brought in over the past four years, many of which were low round draft picks. Blades, Doughty, Golston, Heyer, Landry, Montgomery, Torrence and McIntosh had a lot to do with the Redskins' success last year. They give us great depth and a good foundation from which to build.

Posted by: billyrich | February 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

And Spags' soon to be 2 million annual raise in NY only cost him what? 1 day at Napolean's guest house with a meddling SJK, his racquetball buddy/GM, and the pool boys/moderators at Extremeskins?

Not bad.

It was easy to see what was going on with Spags, folks. No one with any kind of credibility wants to be a part of this mess. They only come here to get raises out of their current teams OR wait until Snyder bribes them (like he did with Zorn and Blache) with 70 gagillion dollars.

We are the biggest joke in the NFL. Welcome to the Redskins, Jim Fassel. I hope you like Tom Cruise, Amusement Parks, and guest houses in Potomac.... oh yeah, and also football. That probably comes 5th in line, also behind money.

F this team.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Arthur Staple of Newsday reports:

Steve Spagnuolo left Redskins owner Daniel Snyder's home late on Wednesday night without a contract offer, according to two people familiar with the discussions, and it appears he is leaning towards returning to the Giants for at least another season as defensive coordinator.
Spagnuolo was spending this morning deciding if he wants to be considered for the job, following nearly a full day's worth of talks with Snyder and Redskins vice president of operations Vinny Cerrato. Spagnuolo, who has a new contract on the table from the Giants that will make him one of the highest-paid coordinators in the NFL, flew to Washington, D.C. immediately after the Giants' championship parade and stadium rally on Tuesday evening.
He met with Snyder and Cerrato late into the night, stayed over at a guest house on Snyder's property and resumed talks early Wednesday morning. Those lasted into the night, but Spagnuolo left for his home in New Jersey to discuss the situation with his wife, Maria.
Former Giants coach Jim Fassel is considered the top candidate for the job, along with former 49ers ad Lions coach Steve Mariucci. One of the people familiar with the job search said the Redskins may choose either of the veteran coaches as early as this afternoon.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 7, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If we waited more than one month only to get Jim Fossil, I am going to jump off of a bridge!!!! Can 3 people play raquetball all at one time? Jim, Dan and Vinny, raquetball legends!

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Here is the story on the net for those not to mad/dissappointed to read. I for one will be optimistic that he needs to talk to his wife first. Or delusional.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/ny-spspagnuolo0208,0,7281806.story

Spagnuolo leaves Washington without contract offer
BY ARTHUR STAPLE | arthur.staple@newsday.com
10:24 AM EST, February 7, 2008
Steve Spagnuolo left Redskins owner Daniel Snyder's home late on Wednesday night without a contract offer, according to two people familiar with the discussions, and it appears he is leaning toward returning to the Giants for at least another season as defensive coordinator.

Spagnuolo was spending Thursday morning deciding if he wants to be considered for the job, following nearly a full day's worth of talks with Snyder and Redskins vice president of operations Vinny Cerrato. Spagnuolo, who has a new contract on the table from the Giants that will make him one of the highest-paid coordinators in the NFL, flew to Washington, D.C., immediately after the Giants' championship parade and stadium rally on Tuesday evening.

He met with Snyder and Cerrato late into the night, stayed over at a guest house on Snyder's property and resumed talks early Wednesday morning. Those lasted into the night, but Spagnuolo left for his home in suburban Philadelphia to discuss the situation with his wife, Maria.
Former Giants coach Jim Fassel is considered the top candidate for the job, along with former 49ers and Lions coach Steve Mariucci. One of the people familiar with the job search said the Redskins may choose either of the veteran coaches as early as this afternoon.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Well I would be if I could spell.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"F this team."

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 10:51 AM

Slow down there, RB. Hate the vegetable, love the vegetarian. The "team" does not equal "The Owner."

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I HATE SNYDER! ESPN HAS NEVER REPORTED ANYTHING PREMATURELY! I HATE HIM SO MUCH HE IS A POOP MOUTH! POOPY POOP FACE POOP MOUTH! I LOVE TO JUMP THAT GUN BABY!

Posted by: sams3 | February 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Something doesn't seem right here. JLC posted at 1:03 that Spags was still in deep talk.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I think it has been fassal all along and going through this process was to pacify the fans about due diligence.

Hope I am wrong...

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Just heard on ESPN First Take that Spags went home last night without a contract. Concerned about personnel decisions."

First Snyder chooses Norv over Casserly. Now it looks as though he may choose Vinny over GW/Spags/Carrol/other unnamed coaches with personnel concerns. Something tells me Danny's evaluations are backwards.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Loved the link to Sally Jenkins's pro- intelligent design column. Hilarious.

Very discouraged that Fassel appears to outrank Spags in Snyder's mind. He's going to live to regret this.

Posted by: drischord | February 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Exaple of the normal flow of conversation here:

Posters says: "ESPN has reported that Synder was seen traveling down the hall of his HUGE Mansion. He may or may not have taken a pee."

The next ten or so posters say a variation of the following:

"Jesus! How could he do that?? I hate him so much! He is all rich and stuff and that is WRONG! He must be stupid because he is rich! Now i have to refere to teh team as his "toy" because he is spoiled! He is a poop head! He hates this team! He took a pee before hiring a head coach! Unheard of! I hate him so much how coudl he do this to us!?!"

Posted by: sams3 | February 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Spagnuolo will help sort this all out. http://www.nrbinc.com/Las-Vegas-Shows/Carrot-Top/carrot-top-main.jpg

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

So now EVERYONE WAS ON THE SPAGWAGON?? Look, he would be a sexy option.. At this point no one really seems to be the "Saviour" of this team. There is no Gibbs 3 or Cowher out there.. All I know is I don't want FOSSIL and all along i think most of us are fearing that choice. I would be fine with Mooch, Meeks, or Spags but to me they ar eall the same until I see results.. Just F FOSSIL!!! Oh, and F DANNY OF COURSE.

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Like I said yesterday, anyone that takes the job probably isn't the coach we want. The people that turn it down are probably the coach we need.

Looks like Spags was probably the right guy.


Not to Dannyboi, stop inviting people to your house and having them stay in your guest house. It's creepy, I can't imagine they like it. These guys are football coaches, put them in a holiday in with ESPN and they'll probably feel right at home. Sitting in the woods looking over the Potomac probably aint their thing.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Why is JLC not reporting this if it is true and RB you can hate the owner but F the team you are no fan

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

DAMN YOU REDSKINS....DAMN YOU....

Oh how I wish the building I work in were more than 2 stories...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

wait ... I missed the part about The Owner taking a pee ... anybody got a confirmation on that?

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I think most candidates after 20 plus hours with Dan and Vinny must feel, "Do I ever want another meeting like that?" or "Can I spend another minute with those clowns?"

Dosen't surprise me at all that candidates consider withdrawing their names after such a "thorough process."

Posted by: bangkokben | February 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Spags left around 1 a.m. I was told and it looks like it will be Fassel. Hell with this if it comes out to be Fassel I am done!

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: CMoney1 | February 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

JLC! Where are you? Please tell us they are all lies and Spags is our coach!

Posted by: tvalado | February 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"... Sitting in the woods looking over the Potomac probably aint their thing."

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 11:06 AM

The "woods" have been removed.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Not to Dannyboi, stop inviting people to your house and having them stay in your guest house. It's creepy, I can't imagine they like it. These guys are football coaches, put them in a holiday in with ESPN and they'll probably feel right at home. Sitting in the woods looking over the Potomac probably aint their thing.

Just curious...what are you basing this on?? Have you talked with someone who has stayed there, and have they relayed to you that they were uncomforable? Or is this you talking out of your spincter....?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Headline tomorrow:

Fassel Hired, Fans Fired

Posted by: CMoney1 | February 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The "woods" have been removed.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 11:09 AM


LOL

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4 I got a response from him and it is true.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Thursday's show is LIVE from Redskins Park at 12 noon ET with more on the coaching search

Posted by: Forrest | February 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Again I say we fans are stuck with Snyder love him or hate him he is not going anywhere. When he started this process he had 0% experience in football. If he is willing to spend $800 + million on his education we are going to just have to pray that he learns how to get the job done. And I still say that the best step in that process was to spend 4 years learning under Joe Gibbs. He has completed his BF (Bachelors of Football) let's see how he performs while he works on his MF.


Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 09:05 AM

That's the root of the problem, dude! Snyder's not supposed to be putting his grimey mitts all over the football operations! And if you look at it, he only hires people who will let him hang around and continue to do that (except Gibbs). And I'll bet that's a big reason why Gregg Williams isn't the next head coach. So Snyder is GREAT at making money, not so great at knowing what he doesn't know.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

From: Jason F LaCanfora [mailto:lacanforaj@washpost.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:06 AM
To: Muhammad, John
Subject: Re: Spags

I believe he left around 1 am
I think its fassel my friend
Were hanging in there, how are u doing?
Cheers

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Jm is he going to do a Post

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

And I'll bet that's a big reason why Gregg Williams isn't the next head coach

But you don't know, and we'll NEVER know if this is the reason. Right?

I mean, I'm just trying to be logical here...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO....anybody but fassel

Posted by: tvalado | February 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Since you decided to be a chooch about it, i'll break it down for you even though you should have the good sense to recognize internet rambling.


"It's creepy, I can't imagine they like it."

Creepy, being my opinion. IMAGINE the operative word showing that it's my presumption they don't like it.


"... put them in a holiday in with ESPN and they'll PROBABLY feel right at home. "

Notice the use of probably, another hint that I'm not speaking for them but rather making suppositions.

"Sitting in the woods looking over the Potomac probably aint their thing."

There it is again the use of the word "probably" another dead give away that I wasn't speaking for them or insinuating that I knew that to be the case.

So there you have it. Did I adaquetely alay your suspicions that I have access to the inner thoughts of the coaches being interviewed? Good, I'm glad we have that cleared up.


Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This is from the Washington Times...

Coaching search could last into next week [David Elfin]


Word from Redskin Park is that the interminable search for the next coach likely won't be resolved today and could actually go into next week. Part of this could be timing. As much as the Redskins rule local sports, they understand that weekend newspapers and newscasts are the least-watched so if Dan Snyder wants maximum exposure, as usual, the next big day after today would be Monday.

So if the two-day sitdown with Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo didn't produce a job offer, which seems to be the case, and Snyder and righthand man Vinny Cerrato need another day to make their pick of Spagnuolo, former Giants coach Jim Fassel, former 49ers coach Steve Mariucci and Colts D-coordinator Ron Meeks, then the Redskins could try to sit on the news through the weekend.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

START THE CHANT!!!

F FOSSIL!!!

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Snyder's not supposed to be putting his grimey mitts all over the football operations!
Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 11:15 AM

This is the one lesson dan should have learned from Gibbs.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The "Other" Blog says the search may go into next week.

Just fantastic.

Posted by: CMoney1 | February 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

F FOSSIL!!!

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Gibbs quit on Snyder, not the other way around."

Seriously, when did retiring at the twilight of your life to go and spend time with your leukemia-stricken grandson become quitting on the team? I would hope EVERYONE would quit their job to do that!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Forrest | February 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Skins, thanks for clarifying...out of your spincter it is.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

As much as the Redskins rule local sports, they understand that weekend newspapers and newscasts are the least-watched so if Dan Snyder wants maximum exposure, as usual, the next big day after today would be Monday.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 11:20 AM

Although, if this is the case, and it's going to be Fassel, maybe they'll want minimum exposure and go for making an announcement over the weekend...... maybe 2am on Sunday morning????

Posted by: tartanskin | February 7, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

At the press conference, i hope the reporters pelt snyder and fossil with rotten tomatoes.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | February 7, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I am resigned to:

1. Our coach being Coach Facile (first definition, ignoring the complexities of an issue; superficial);

2. To booing our coach when annouced to voice my displeasure over VinnyDAN's intention to show that even though no one else wants him, they know better, and that yes men are always better coaches then people who actually stand up and say what they thing;

3. Watching the Giants shut us out twice next year;

4. Watching Coach Facile being fired 7 games into the 2009 season with a Redskins record of 7-16 (5-11 followed by 2-5);

5. Watching Jim Zorn quit after 2008 because he misses the Great Northwest (read, he enjoyed his "thorough" experience with the Redskins);

6. Watching the Giants shut us out twice in 2009;

7. VinnyDAN blaming the fans for not giving Coach Facile, who he hired after the most thorough process possible, including interviewing the coach who shut us out four times, enough support. He will not blame the Vinny part of VinnyDAN, as that would ruin his version of autofellatio.

8. Feeling screwed.

I feel sad.

Posted by: RedBee | February 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I still can't believe Grimm can't even get a sniff. That shows Snyder is picking a coach based on all the wrong criteria...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

And I still say that the best step in that process was to spend 4 years learning under Joe Gibbs. He has completed his BF (Bachelors of Football) let's see how he performs while he works on his MF.

Posted by: adamchall | February 7, 2008 09:05 AM

So how long have you worked for Dan and Vinny?

Posted by: tafka | February 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I miss Joe Gibbs. I don't blame him at all just wish there could have been a way for him to stay. Sure he didn't get them to the superbowl, but we didn't have to deal with the lunacy we've had the past month.

I think it would be funny if Spags, Fassel, Meeks, and Mooch all said "thanks but no thanks". It won't happen the way Danny throws $$$ around, but it would be funny if Fassel turned him down

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 7, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

by the way, I love how the media is reporting that Spags turned down the Redskins offer. If Fassel gets the job, he must feel great being nearly passed over a second time.

If Fassel is the choice, Snyder would be smart to announce it over the weekend as quietly as possible

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