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LaVar vs. The Boz???

Got an email from a couple of duded who have a blog called The Realests about LaVar. They compared him to The Boz and, actually, it's a pretty interesting comparison. Neither remotely lived up to the hype, neither won anything, neither were a part of many winning teams. There was a lot of flash, but not much consistency.


Brian Bosworth

LaVar's personality and outgoing nature made him a bigger celebrity than his play probably merited, and, if his career is done as expected, then both he and The Boz went out with a whimper. Boz became an actor; I know LaVar told me years ago he did some acting stuff and screen-test type stuff, had some connections in Hollywood and might get involved in that down the road (I could see him on a reality show and I know he has a lot of real estate stuff/business ventures going on right now.

So, without any more delay, here's what the Realests had to say. Love to know what you guys think. LaVar is still a beloved figure around here, but if you look at the comparison with only the mind and not the heart, it might not bee that far off. LaVar played at a higher level, but hasn't had a career befitting the second overall pick.

The Realests Write:

On his 29th birthday, we'd like to commemorate LaVar Arrington's time in the NFL.

Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league. This guy came into the NFL hyping himself as the next Lawrence Taylor (his reason for wearing #56 in Washington) only to play essentially 5 seasons (if his retirement wasn't a formality already, it is now).

In fact, LaVar was such a huge flop we decided to compare him with the master of self-promotion, Brian Bosworth, in a battle of the most overhyped linebackers in NFL history.

LaVar
Claim to Fame: The Leap
Butkus Award Winner: 1999
The Next...: Lawrence Taylor
Draft: No. 2 overall (2000)
NFL Seasons: 7 (2000-06)
Highlight: Ending Troy Aikman's career
Lowlight: Getting benched in D.C.
Undoing: Freelancing
Reason for Retirement: Torn ACL compounded with motorcycle crash

The Boz
Claim to Fame: The Hair
Butkus Award Winner: 1985, '86
The Next...: Dick Butkus
Draft: No. 1 overall (1987 supplemental draft)
NFL Seasons: 3 (1987-89)
Highlight: Umm....
Lowlight: Getting trucked by Bo Jackson
Undoing: Steroids
Reason for Retirement: Chronic shoulder problems

By Jason La Canfora  |  June 21, 2007; 6:00 AM ET
 
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Posted by: :-O | June 21, 2007 6:23 AM | Report abuse

This came from Dallas, didn't it? Some We-Love-Troy group.

I'm not a big Lavar fan. I threw away my #56 jersey once he took all their money and started dissing the 'Skins and demanding more, but the guy's no Boz. Three Pro Bowls is Big Time.

If he could have stayed healthy he may yet have learned to work as a member of a team. If he'd played within a system, he could have achieved his goal. Not Lawrence Taylor, but a real dominator.

Fitting, though, that his bar is The Sideline where he spent too much of his too short pro career. With his charismatic personality, he could still have a great future if he doesn't screw it up.

Posted by: KK | June 21, 2007 6:41 AM | Report abuse


Harsh analysis,
Boz not deserving of scorn.
Great sports columnist!

Posted by: HaikuMan | June 21, 2007 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Thank U 2, Ku. But you're wrong. Great sports columnists don't take steroids. Only Sally Jenkins, who's not great but grate.

Posted by: KK | June 21, 2007 7:05 AM | Report abuse


Such slanderous words!
Boz's poison pen rages
But untouched by 'roids!

Posted by: HaikuMan | June 21, 2007 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Correction: LaVar tore his Achilles, not his ACL

Posted by: Rob | June 21, 2007 7:13 AM | Report abuse

LaVar wasn't anywhere nearly as bad as Bosworth. Did he live up to expectation? No, but part of that is due to the ridiculous expectations he was tagged with coming out of college. It's sad that his career has fizzled out due to injury, he probably would have never lived up to the hype but comparing him to Bosworth? Sorry I just don't see it.

Posted by: RedskinsWarpath.com | June 21, 2007 7:23 AM | Report abuse

did bosworth make any plays in his nfl career? while i agree lavar hasn't lived up to his potential/hype, he had flashes of brilliance...the aikman hit, the int return for td, the playoff game vs tampa. how many pro bowls did bosworth go to?
perhaps bosworth and mandarich would be a better match for nfl flops.

Posted by: cosmofla | June 21, 2007 7:35 AM | Report abuse

These clowns should have studied harder in school. As for what they have to say, consider the source. (RealLosers.com was apparently already taken.)

http://therealests.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Home room teacher | June 21, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I pretty much hated lavar once he went to the giants, but comparing him to boz? Ummm, no. They couldn't even come up with one highlight for boz and lavar had many. I hate the pro bowl and how the selecting is done, but going to 3 of them is decidely un-boz-like.

Posted by: WrongDog | June 21, 2007 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Lavar and The Boz is ridiculous. First of all how many high draft picks ever live up to the hype? Hardly any! 2nd, Boz was never a good LB to start with, teams used to plan for Lavar, he terrorized teams on a consistent basis. 3, his last two seasons in DC were messed up by injuries and the coaching staff, not Lavar. Yes they had their differences but both parties played a part in that, not just Lavar. Think about some of the recent #2 picks? How many have lived up to the hype? Ronnie Brown? Robert Gallery? Maybe Charles Rogers...Leonard Davis, Ryan Leaf, Hardy, Boselli, Rick Mirer, Blair Thomas, Tony Mandarich??? You have a few good #2's, Peppers, McNabb, Faulk, Eric Dickerson and LT of course but that's abotu it. I'll take Lavar's production anyday over any of those all time #2 picks, Lavar was a good player that played on a lot of bad teams over the years in DC, I still wish he was with the team but our coaching staff ego's were too big. I think this is a bit unjustified but everybody has their opinion, I still love ya JLA.

Posted by: 3644skins | June 21, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Lavar's career definitely didn't live up to the expectations, but I was always a fan and will continue to support him. Remember, the reason he didn't play under Gibbs was due to injury and Dale Lindsay. Yes, the same Dale Lindsay who was fired because of his inability to get the most out of his LBs and the same Dale Lindsay who played Warrick Holdman over both Lavar and Rocky McIntosh (now, the best player on our defense according to 'gg Williams).

For 5 years, Lavar Arrington was the only player that allowed me to be a Redskins fan and suicide-free at the same time. Arrington was the one player I enjoyed watching on a team that was filled with horrible players and coaches.

Plus, Lavar is by far the best Eastern Motors actor. "At Eastern Motors...your job's your credit..."

Posted by: Section 104 | June 21, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

LaVar's career is, and now maybe WAS, a major disappointment... but like many of you said, I wouldn't go as far as to compare him to Boz.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | June 21, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Although I probably would pay to see a LaVar vs. the Boz steel cage match....once LA heals up anyway.

Posted by: WrongDog | June 21, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

lavar was a disapointment overall.. but not a bust by any means just unfulfilled potential.Boz on the other hand was a bust plain and simple.

Posted by: Old School | June 21, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

He said 'Chronic'

I like 'Chronic'

Posted by: 420 'Skins Fan | June 21, 2007 9:04 AM | Report abuse

LaVar's career in Washington was anything but a disappointment, I swear anything your ring leader Joe Gibbs tells you, you believe. Arrington was a monster in Washington and played with more heart and effort in those trying seasons with terrible coaching and a terrible roster than anyone out there. So please, stop blaming LaVar Arrington for everything, he wasn't a bust, he was a stud.

Posted by: Jason | June 21, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

JLaC-

These dudes are major tools....even the "tale of the tape" they present makes the case Lavar is no Boz....

Haiku Man...the Boswell joke is prieceless...KK you are one literal dude...its called subtext!

And Jason: I am with you on my take on Lavar...injuries, Dale Lindsay and Manboobs shortened his career...Can anyone remember is the 05 second half run when the Def stepped it up and we marched to playoffs...IT WAS WHEN FREAKIN LAVAR STARTED PLAYING REGUARLY!!!!!!!!!!!!~Thats when Phillip Daniels started getting sacks thats when the we stopped the run...the first half of the 05 Def looked a lot like last years Def games 1-16!!!!! AND LETS NOT FORGET WITHOUT LAVARS INT AGAINST TAMPA WE MAY LOSE THAT GAME 10-7!!!!!!!!!

SO ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP. I LOVE JOE GIBBS BUT LAVAR GOT A RAW DEAL AND DANIEL SNYDER DID CHEAT LAVAR!

Lavar's only mistake was trusting (and continuing to trust...) those idiot Postons the most incompotent agents in the NFL....if Lavar had had Drew Rosenhaus who may have actually READ THE CONTRACT this would never have happenend...

Lavar's is a tragic tale of injuries, the Poster boy for the surealness of Snyders first decade running the team and yes cautionary story of the slippery slope of hype...

Marty S and his bro kknew how to handle him and he shined....Lavar is an alltime modern Skin in my book for that INT TD return that sparked the come from behind win against the Panthers in Marty's year that lead to that second half run. That might have been the funnest 8 game stretch skins have had since 1992 BECAUSE THE FINNALLY SHOWED SOME HEART AND GUTS AND THEY WERE LEAD BY LAVAR! I mean TONY BANKS was our QB and we ripped off 7 wins.....

So go burn your jersies, and bash lavar and while your at go but a Ravens cap...

Posted by: chriIS Larry | June 21, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I see the similarities, but Arrington was a much better linebacker than Bosworth. We haven't heard any reports of LaVar crying on the field.

I agree that if Arrington's playing career is over, we will see him in some form of the entertainment world in the future. He's an affable guy.

Posted by: SS | June 21, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Comparing careers
Was LA a Bosworth bust?
No, HE busted Aikman!

Sorry 'ku!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 21, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

This comparison is OFFENSIVE and complete crap. Box was a joke...fit for WWE. LaVar was a freak athlete, possession passion and kindness. Sadly, he had some bad luck with injuried.

LaVar, if you are reading, PLEASE get well, get back in shape, and get back in the NFL!!!

Posted by: Eric | June 21, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Arrington, 85 games, 412 total tkl, 23.5 sacks, 3 int, 1 TD

Bosworth, 24 games, Tkl's not available anywhere i can find OL, 4 sacks, 1 int 2 fumb.

btw:
Okay think about this one for a minute. Arrington sacked and burned Troy. Ironic that an achilles injury is what may have ended the career of LaVar. For that we should rename him LaVar "Illiad" Arrington.

If you don't get it pick up a freeking book.

Posted by: 35332 | June 21, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Dang it, I can't get these rules right....

Comparing careers
Was LA a Bosworth bust?
No, HE bust Aikman!

Posted by: Redcoat | June 21, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I was a little young to remember the Boz. I remember hearing about the hype but at that age I was more interested in playing football than watching it.

But Jasno has it right in theory...I love LaVar Arrington and the energy he brought.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of nonsense. People forget the impact LaVar had on this team. Dude had a different coaching staff every year, new coordinators, different assignments and often had to play different positions. Still, he managed to be the most imposing guy on the field.

The way he got run out of town by Manboobs and friends will not sour my memory of LaVar.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | June 21, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

If he could have stayed healthy he may yet have learned to work as a member of a team. If he'd played within a system, he could have achieved his goal.

Posted by: KK | June 21, 2007 06:41 AM

If he had gills, he'd be a fish.

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Ask, McNabb, Collins and Aikman, Duce Staily, and Tiki Barber, if LaVar was a bust. I am sure they would say, ow ow ow no.

Posted by: 35332 | June 21, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I would argue that LaVar's best highlight was against the Panthers, when he took the INT back to the house. That play CHANGED THE SEASON and sparked a 5 game winning streak. I

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | June 21, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Smack,

Don't take this personaly and I do like you...

but perhaps you may be more comfortable here:

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/

Posted by: chris larry | June 21, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

If he had gills, he'd be a fish.

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2007 09:34 AM

Pretty Good

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

LaVar was lost to us once his agents fu--ed up that contract where they did not read thru to make sure his signing bonuse was in there. I will never get why Arrington stayed with them when that happened. That was his agent's f--king mistake, but he was more loyal to the guy taking 10-15% then to the men giving him his 85-90%. Its time's like that I think the NFL would do better to lose all the agents and that the NFLPA should do all the negotiating.

Posted by: 35332 | June 21, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I was as big a critic of LaVar as anyone when he was here (for his freelancing ways and his never-ending pursuit of phantom bonuses) but this comparison is patently unfair.

First off, there are two factual errors in the post (one of which is important). LaVar's career ended because of a torn achilles tendon not as the post states a torn "acl." More imporantly, LaVar was not elected to the pro bowl from 2001-2003 "due to fan incompetence." In the NFL, fan voting only counts 1/3. Player voting counts 1/3. Coaches voting counts 1/3. So it would be very difficult in any event to be elected purely by the fans. And though numbers are hard to come by, if you look at the 2003 fan voting on the NFL's website, LaVar is not 1 of the top 10 defensive players in fan votes nor is he tops at any one of the linebacker positions. So this idea that the fans voted LaVar in from 2001-2003 is totally unsupported by the evidence we have.

Additionally, I'll pick just one year out substantively (arguably not even his best year). In 2002, LaVar had 92 tackles, 11 sacks, and 8 passes defensed. On pure statistics alone, no other player combined that level of tackles with that level of sacks/passes defensed in 2002. Pass rushers had more sacks but very few tackles. MLBs had more tackles but very few sacks. That year alone destroys Bosworth's career.

Finally, while he may well be remembered league-wide for that hit on Aikman, Redskins fans will surely remember the many big plays he had here during a brief stretch of brilliant play like when he saved the season in 2000 when the Skins were 0-5 and trailing 14-0 to the Panthers in the 4th quarter and he intercepted a pass and returned it for a touchdown and jump-started that comeback. Or when he sacked and stripped Kurt Warner in 2002 down by the goalline to pull out the 20-17 win over the Rams.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | June 21, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

CL, thanks I'm there quite a bit, not much going on, eh?

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Very well done James Tuthill

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr. La Canfora, Low blow man! low blow! way way low! i aint gonna say nothing but whatever cL said. and :

Jason(lc), TRUST ME! you wouldn't feel like this had you covered him from the start. the guy was the only bright spot on that team for a long long long time. to even mention the actor in the same sentence is irresponsible.

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I know Hater when I read one......

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

JT, well said but i think skins were down by 21-0 not 14-0.... (that's how i rember it)

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

JT's right, it was 14-0 (trust me, I was at the game). They won 17-14 in OT.

Posted by: MCG | June 21, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

IMHO this is a faulty comparison. LA was a beast and could have made a real impact had it not been for Grillians and Lindsay. Yes, LA didn't play within the system but sometimes you need to let playmakers make plays. The dude had a nose for the ball and would sacrifice his body to make plays. It disgusted me the way Danny and the Poston twins treated LA. Lastly, as previously stated teams hard a hard time game planning for the Skins because they had no idea what LA would be doing.

Posted by: james63k | June 21, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

JLaC - You betta change the subject real quick.....

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

F Smack

Posted by: LaVar | June 21, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Clearly I am completely biased here but wow is that an unfair comparison. I was at Penn State when Lavar was there and I am a huge 'skins fan. I ordered my 56 jersey the day he was drafted and actually got one before the whole Lavar is not signing with NFL properties thing went through.

We are talking about a guy that actually won games for this team. See Carolina when this team was 0-5 under Marty. As mentioned before that pick against Tampa got us to Seattle in those playoffs.

Alot of Lavar's problems can be traced to having a different DC every year he was in DC. How is a young player supposed to develop that way?

Check out the video of the greatest defensive play in college football history.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G4GoBoY7DdA

Posted by: PSUAsh | June 21, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Dont worry LaVar;

You ended SMACKS' teams run. That hit on Aikman ended the dynasty. You will always be know for that.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

FLag on me for this....

Flag on the Play;

Post misconduct on JASON LACANFORA!!!

plus 10,000 post to the count towards 100K for the use of some dunderheaded web bloggers post to further this discussion. Especially about the comparison which is so off that chris Larry and James Tuthill blew it wide open with a little research.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the movie Stone Cold? Academy Award type stuff there. Bosworth's acting was just about as good as his pro career. By the way, 3644Skins, Mcnabb was drafted #12, not #2

Posted by: bornskinsfan | June 21, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play on Zebra;

Correct penalty for 'post misconduct' is half the distance to 100k, NOT 10k posts.

:-)

Posted by: Redcoat | June 21, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

jason, are you trying to get on Snyder's "good" side?

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Lavar didn't live up to expectations as a #2 draft pick but he wasn't a complete bust and to compare him to Boz is stupid. He had a year with 12 sacks when he was forced to play DE by Marvin Lewis and went to 3 Pro Bowls. He also had to learn a new defense every year in this dysfunctional franchise. Courtney Brown was the true bust of that draft.

Posted by: cdubb | June 21, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

It has always amazed me that the Ravens built a defense around Ray Lewis and won a Super Bowl, while even though the Skins had LaVar, Gregg Williams built a defense around his own silly ass ideas instead and didn't win shti.

As for Boz, the only thing they ever built around him was a hair salon.

Posted by: DD | June 21, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Boz became an actor; I know LaVar told me years ago he did some acting stuff and screen-test type stuff, had some connections in Hollywood " (Jason LaCanfora)

I like LaVar alot, but I don't think Eastern Motors exactly qualifies as "Hollywood".

Posted by: DD | June 21, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

True words, cdubb.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Boz had a much better college career than LaVar, when you factor in multiple Butkus awards and the NCAA championship. LaVar had a better pro career, although Pro Bowls don't count for too much in my opinion. Case in point: Meast made the Pro Bowl last year, and he had a horrible year.

Neither LA or Boz were great pro football players. LA was a superior athlete, but for whatever reason he didn't have the desire or dedication to become a great football player. I hope this does not happen to Meast.

The real question will be how LaVar's IMDB profile ends up stacking up against Boz's. Stone Cold was a pretty powerful big-screen debut.

Posted by: Meast Infection | June 21, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

If you hadn't already lost me as a fan by NEVER giving me my prize for winning the Redskins song contest last year, you have now. (yes that's right people, Jason la Confora held a competition for best Redskins song, had Chris Cooley pick the winner, determined the prize would be a DVD about the history of the Cap Centre, and then NEVER delivered that prize to the winner)

Saying that LaVar got elected to the pro bowl due to "fan incompetence" is about as wrong as you can possible get. What a fraud of a journalist you are.

Posted by: BARNO | June 21, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Courtney Brown #1 Cleveland
LaVar Arrington #2 Washington
Drafted same year. Both washed out due to injuries. Both played side-by-side at PSU for Joe Pa.

Does it mean anything? Of course not.
Thanks, JlC, for tweaking the blogsters here.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | June 21, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Players go through coaching changes all the time, so that is no excuse for Lavar's subpar career. Other's just learn to adapt to new systems by actually opening the playbook...

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

NO COMPARISON! LEVAR COULD PLAY AND GOT HURT, BOZ WAS ON THE JUICE AND GOT EXPOSED! Then Levar got dogged by a coach that sat him basically two years. Marvin Lewis,Cincy's coach, complained about him, but he still played pro-bowl caliber ball. boz has no claim to NFL fame, but getting run over by Bo jackson.

Posted by: RobGreg | June 21, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

BARNO - Jason never said anything about "fan incompetence". Read again.

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So 100% the posters agree that Boz and LA had careers that were not at at all alike, and 100% of the posters are right. You can't compare a 3 time pro bowler with someone who had only three completely unproductive seasons.
Jason, good topics for discussion are ones where people can reasonably defend both sides of the issue. This is not one of those topics, which is why you have such a one-sided discussion.I'm not particularly a LA lover, but this is just a weak topic.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

A MUCH, MUCH better comparison would be LaVar and Bo Jackson.

Both are players that demostrated they had the talent to be one of the all time greats at their position. And both suffered what was thought to be minor injuries at the time. And both never recovered from their injury.

While mulling over this comparison, please forget about what Bo did in baseball; forget about what his marketing campaign did for both sports. Forget about all that. Just focus on both FOOTBALL players careers.

Posted by: BARNO | June 21, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Barno dude, relax my man. Those aren't Jasno's words. Read it again. And Cooley's probably got your DVD in his shorts...protection from the silent "nut hunter"

Posted by: 4-12 | June 21, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow pics on the blog now...I love it!!!!!

Posted by: chriS larry | June 21, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

For the record, I loved Lavar earlier in his career, and this comparison is off base. But for you current Lavar lovers out there, even Marvin Lewis said for every big play that Lavar would make, he would be responsible for letting a big play go. This isn't Greg Williams, this is Marvin Lewis. And lets remember that in order to keep Arrington's freelancing from being an issue, then D. Coordinator Lewis put him in as a down lineman. What did Arrington do after racking up a ton of sacks that season and making it to the probowl? Complain. So, did he get screwed? Yeah. But he has had a long history of not playing within the system, even before Williams got here.

Marvin Lewis reaction to watching tape on Lavar after being hired: "He ran around like a chicken with his head cut off... He killed them last year, killed his own team," Marvin says. "Against Chicago, critical third down, he doesn't cover the back. Back catches the ball for a first down. A guy I could cover. And they lose."

So Lavar had all the potential in the world, but either he lacked the brains or the will to play within ANY system. Why do you think the Giants cut him so fast?

Posted by: nfr21 | June 21, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant work, as always, by our poet laureat, 'KuMan. Our Boz is definitely not on steroids; caffeine is his drug of choice.
The goal this summer is to teach Jasno to link to photos and other blogs! This won't surprise you: it's tricky with Loseable Type.

Posted by: Cindy | June 21, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Let Barno have his anger (although he did misread) b/c he deserves his prize. JLaC's failure to get him his prize is the worst move he has made during his blog tenure.....and Barno its not a DVD about the history of Cap Center but "Heavy Metal Parking Lot" a truly amazing documentary about a 1980 Judas Priest/Dokken concert at Cap Center parking lot......it one of the best short movies ever

JANSO buy this man his DVD already man LAME!

Posted by: chris larry | June 21, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

idiotic comparison

Posted by: wow | June 21, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Here is something interesting I stumbled onto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cddIgb1nGJ8

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

By the way, 3644Skins, Mcnabb was drafted #12, not #2

Posted by: bornskinsfan | June 21, 2007 11:08 AM

ummm........what??? #2, 1999 draft, right?

Posted by: PSF | June 21, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

LaVar ended Aikman's career in the same sense that a grizzly bear ends a salmon's career. But in its life, at least a bear eats more than one salmon.

All fish posts for me today.

Posted by: SMACK | June 21, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see an NFL highlight reel comparison of Lavar vs. Boz. I think Lavar wins that one pretty easily.

I thin Boz was ever more overmarketed than Lavar, so his hype was even greater to tryto live up to, hence part of my perception he was a much bigger flop.

Posted by: Daddy-OO | June 21, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - You blew up the Blog!!

NObody has been posting for the last 30-45 mins, and it still STINKS!

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Correction, obviously my refresh button is currently not working......

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

That's a little much.. LaVar was really good for 3 seasons. The FACE of the franchise. Don't forget LaVar had some highlights.
Sacking Kurt Warner to end and WIN a game.
Return an INT for a touchdown and turning the team from 0-5 to 5-5... IT'S NOT EVEN CLOSE

Posted by: Rando in LA | June 21, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

By the way, 3644Skins, Mcnabb was drafted #12, not #2

Posted by: bornskinsfan | June 21, 2007 11:08 AM

ummm........what??? #2, 1999 draft, right?

Posted by: PSF | June 21, 2007 11:56 AM


McNabb was drafted #2 after Tim Couch. Cade McNown may have been at 12. Too lazy to look it up.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Why stop with Boz v. LaVar?

Paris 

Claim to Fame: Video Hummer

Bupkis Award Winner: 1999-2007

The Next...: Anna Nicole Smith

Daft: As a newborn kitty

Highlight: 24.7 coverage of her in- and non-incarceration

Lowlight: Sent to the Big House
Undoing: Lack of knowledge regarding suspended license laws
in re: probation, revocation thereof.

Reason for Retirement: From What? Never DID anything.

Posted by: Corkczar | June 21, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

My turn to wack this horse.

This comparison is laughable. JLa this doesn't deserve the space you provided.
All this LaVar hate is revisionist history. He's more than "The Leap." When LA was here (and playing) he either led the team in tackles or was among the top 3. How does one do that freelancing? Nobody, not even Marvin Lewis, complained about his freelancing when he was knocking people's blocks off. That talk started once the present d coordinator came to town. The dude balled when he was here, period. His Pro Bowl appearances represent that. In the NFL, its the players by and large who vote you into the Pro Bowl not the fans like in the NBA. This is just a bunch of what have you done for me lately BS clouded by his contract issues (which I can't excuse. That shabingus was his agents fault.


Posted by: LH | June 21, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

First let me say that LaVar is financially set for life so he never needs to play football again in his life. He owns a bunch of land in Turks and Caicos and will one day build homes or a resort on it. He is also in the process of starting his own sports bar/club that will mirror the concept of Jay-Z's 40/40 club.

The Redskins, Dan Snyder, and Injuries ended LaVar's career. I had last talked to LaVar about his career in May and he had no intentions of playing again. He told me that Ray Lewis had contacted him about playing in Baltimore to replace A. Thomas. He did not want to live anywhere but at his house in Annapolis, and playing in Baltimore was a possiblity because he could live there and commute to Baltimore. But even in May his Achilles was still sore and he was skeptical at best that he would be ready by August to play.

When LaVar decided that he was going to get out of his contract with the Redskins he brought in a personal trainer to live with him and was training harder than ever. He thought that he was in better shape going to the Giants, than he has ever been in his career. So when he got injured I think he was really depressed and still has not fully come out of the depression and now with the motorcycle crash, I cant even imagine how he is feeling.

That being said, LaVar has a real bitter taste in his mouth about the whole NFL because of Snyder. I am a Redskins fan but I do not respect the people that run our team. I have had friends working in the ticket office who have told me stories about how they treat their customers that would kill any other company except for the skins because they have a monopoly here in the DC area.

LaVar and Snyder were very close. They both have a love for chess and would sit next to each other on all the team flights and play chess together. LaVar trusted and liked Snyder....So onto the contract dispute. This is LaVar's side of the story...They were out eating dinner with Snyder, his people, LaVar and his agents. They had the contract with them and it has been read and was ready to sign. Snyder wanted them to enjoy the evening and asked if they could keep the dinner pleasure and not business and sign the contract in the morning. LaVar aggreed and the contract was faxed to them the next morning. LaVar and his agent had no reason to believe that the contract that was faxed to them was any different than the contract that was at dinner with them the night before. LaVar signed the contract not knowing that the scumbag Snyder had taken out a $6.5 million dollar bonus out of the contract. Again he liked, and trusted Snyder so to LaVar this was a shot in the balls. Another thing the skins did to LaVar is practice him all week hard as hell during his last season and tell him all week that this was his week he would see significant playing time, and then on Sunday he would show up to FedEx and they didnt even bring his equipment over from Redskins Park.

All of the reasons above, plus many other led to LaVar leaving the NFL, not because he couldnt play and was a bust, IMO!

Hope you enjoy some insider post.

Posted by: Friend of LaVar | June 21, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The argument that "neither won anything" is idiotic. This isn't the NBA where one guy can carry an entire team.
Did Dick Butkus win a bunch of titles? How about Barry Sanders?
In football, if you're on a good team it usually makes you look better. If you're a good player on a bad team, that just says even more about your talent.

Would Ray Lewis be so great without that big D-line in front of him?
Was Steve Young a Hall of Famer with Tampa Bay?
Probably the best example is Emmit Smith. No WAY he breaks Walter's record without that o-line in front of him all those years.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on RI.
I'm no big LaVar fan, and Pro Bowl appearances do NOT indicate that a player is one of the best(see: Roy 'Toasty' Williams), but the Boz was a complete Bust. LaVar had about 2 great years where he lived up to his hype, then he got hurt. Not 2nd overall pick material, but not a total bust either.

Posted by: Diesel | June 21, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

FOL, sadly, everything you say makes sense.

Snyder=dirtbag
LaVar=decent guy caught in the grinder
Redskins=still the only team to love in the NFL, regardless of dirtbag

Can we talk about something with some meaning, please? Here's a question: What obligation does the NFL have to its injured, all injuries including concussion, players? Here are the extremes: 1)Hey, football is dangerous. You got paid, now go away. 2)You were injured under our employment. We're rich. We'll take care of you nad yours for ever.

Any takers?

Posted by: Neil | June 21, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Wake me up when we get some good Defensive Linemen...

Posted by: Yesyall | June 21, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

FOL;

While I agree it was total crap for Snyder to 'allegedly' remove the bonus out of his contract, why didn't one of his agents read it?

LaVar even stuck by them. Bush league move by Snyder, and to his surprise it worked on hacks for agents.

Although I will say this, Snyder has NEVER had a problem doleing out money. So why try to pull a fast one on the teams biggest star, the reason he fills those seats and sell so many jerseys?

Something doesnt make sense here.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Comparing LA to that bama Boz is the dumbest thing Ive heard all week. Those folk who dislike him cause he went to NY is crazy. This man loves DC adopted the community and claim it home. Renegotiated his contract to get better players.

People forgot when Skins had the #2 pick Browns had #1 the Browns was tryn to negoitate with both LA and his teamate (Brown) LA told his agents not to return there calls because he wanted to be a Redskin.

When he did the interview with Mike Irving on ESPN about his issue with the team and lack of play. "I bleed Burgunday and Gold"
Loyalty to the fans and the community. Played with a concussions (Int run back for TD)(concussion on a 0-5 team).

Boz didnt have a heart he had a bullzeye on him. LA was the discussion all week on oppossing teams.

Posted by: Everett Brown | June 21, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

True Dat... You all have pretty much said it already and closed the book on that erroneous blog comaprison...


The true fallacy was not LA, rather the mismanamgement of this team in constant turnover that lacked any substance of consistency, other than a young, narcissistic extremely rich marketing machine of an owner with an over-zealous ego the size of his bank account.

Don't get me wrong I like that fact that he seems unyielding to spend his money to make his team better... Unfortunately, he often over-spends and spends it foolishly causing a backlash to what the team can do for other areas of weakness... If he would only wise up and put a competent GM in place to manage this team judiciously. We can only hope the day will come...

Posted by: E in VB | June 21, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | June 21, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Lavarr sucks. Huge bust of a NFL 1st round pick. Now we have to worry about him on a motorcycle in our neighborhood.

Posted by: reagan | June 21, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Players go through coaching changes all the time, so that is no excuse for Lavar's subpar career. Other's just learn to adapt to new systems by actually opening the playbook...

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 11:41 AM
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Sorry CC, while I don't think LaVar was the most studious or cerebral LB to play the game, you can't realistically say that 6 coordinators in six years didn't have an impact on his career. Sure, other players have to deal w/ changing coaches- but a different one every year?- that's ridiculous. Maybe if they'd only swapped DCs 2 or 3 times your point would be more valid- otherwise you have to take that into consideration looking at LaVar's career.

FOL- interesting inside info, if it's legit; sadly, I agree it sounds about par for the course w/ the way things have been going around here for the past few years.

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

LaVar is no Boz. LaVar had talent, he just wasn't very disciplined. Boz was one of those players that was great playing against college players but was a boy among men when it came to the pros.

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The comparison is total BS! I remember the hype around Boz, it seemed appropiate at the time but he was 100% fools gold.
LA on the other hand was hyped-up locally and performed well considering the circumstances (new DC every year). Dale Lindsey was a tool and the real reason behind the non-production in the last two years here. He picked the biggest, baddest, SOB on the team to make an example so everyone would know who the boss was. And GG gave Dale the latitude to do it, instead of working w/ the face of the franchise.
I don't want to sound like a total jock rider, LA was horrible in coverage and took a lot of bad angles on plays. But I would still take LA (if he wasn't injured)over Boz, Holdman or Rocky Mac today! He was an intimidator on the field and a great community guy off the field. I don't care what uniform he wears it always looks burgundy and gold to me. Hail!

Posted by: priceisright | June 21, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

LaVar was his best when he had no assignment and was permitted to play instinctively (i.e. Penn State and under Marvin Lewis). He needs to have someone backing him up because he over pursued.

Remember that year (I think 2003) where he was beat repeatly on the swing pass out of the backfield.

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks PSF, BORNSKINSFAN...Cade McNown was drafted 12th that year, McNabb 2nd overall.

Posted by: 3644skins | June 21, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

This post is complete garbage. Jason you should have your press credentials revoked for comparing me to any football player who suits up and plays with heart. Should of compared me with you cause I know you never won anything playing football either.....(GUTLESS!)

Posted by: Bozworth | June 21, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Insulting. Revisionist history at it's best. Just minimalizing in the rearview mirror. It's so easy:

Darrell Green was so overrated. He didn't win anything his last 10 years in the league and didn't get along with Marty Schottenheimer.

See? It's obnoxious chooches who are trying to get read. So upsetting.

You don't suck when you have never played DE, get asked to do so by a coach, and show up among the league sack leaders. The dude was just chasing down people, kordell stewart, aikman etc. No one talks about Dale Lindsay getting summarily dismissed. That's who lavar didn't get along with: a carmudgeony dinosaur who got fired.

Bottom line: the dude always tried to make plays. He wasn't content to 'maintain inside leverage' like w.holdman.com so he could keep his starting spot. I will always blame the various idiot D coordinators we have had for not finding a way to utilize one of the most dynamic playmakers in the history of this league.

They figured out how to use Taylor, Ray Lewis, Urlacher, Derrick Thomas etc. We had that weapon and stubborn coaches tried to make the ferrari drive like my oldsmobile from high school. Then we cast aside a man that loved the Redskins like he was some kind of villain. We should all be ashamed.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | June 21, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Hear hear, AMTTS... hear, hear!

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | June 21, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Amen, AMTTS!!

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,
Hold the flag for piling on...
Jasno touched a nerve with this one.

FOL,
Thanks for LA's side of the story. A REalist Redskin if there ever was one.

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Friend of Lavar, while I appreciate your inside information, I'm not sure I'm placing the blame for the contract solely on Snyder. Especially considering that the Poston's admitted that they never read the original copy of it. So how did they know it was in there in the first place?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | June 21, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,
Hold the flag for piling on...
Jasno touched a nerve with this one.

FOL,
Thanks for LA's side of the story. A REalist Redskin if there ever was one.

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The zebra will allow this piling on. I threw a flag on Jasno already.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS - I remember seeing him play in preseason three years ago and thinking it was going to be a breakout year. he had like two sacks on Vick within three plays. I hoped that Willimas would find a way to allow him to make plays. It never happened.

It always seemed, even last year, that when he was starting to play well he had an injury.

Not sure what to make about the contract issue. It is hard for me to beleive that Snyder, of all people, was trying to screw LaVar out of money. I think his agents messed up and tried to pass the blame. But who knows, I wasn't there...

That being said, I wish him the best in life because I believe he is a good guy. As was mentioned by numerous others, he always seemed like he wanted to be here, contribute to the community, etc.

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, at first I thought you were talking about LaVar vs. Thomas Boswell.

Posted by: charlie | June 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Great post AMTTS - I too loved LaVar and thought he was a pimp.

Posted by: Big Murf | June 21, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder and LaVar were good friends it never should have turned into such a shabingus.

Obviously, there was some misunderstanding and not reading the contract didn't help. But what's 6.5M between friends?

Oh, I get now.

The bottom line: Sad story, nobody wins.

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Look I have never meet the Poston's but I know that his agent did read over the contract at one point. His agent DID NOT read the contract that was faxed to him the day after the dinner.

Greg, do you really think an NFL agent would not read a contract of his player at any point? Come on do not be so naive. LaVar did not fire his agent because he placed the blame on Snyder. Again, there was no indication that contract would be changed. I have no idea why Snyder knowingly took the $6.5 million dollar bonus out of the contract, that is b/w him, Vinny, and God. I will see Snyder at a birthday party of an NVR executive in the next month. I will ask him to his face that very question and I will tell you word for word what he says.

Posted by: Friend of LaVar | June 21, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

he'll say "security, security, help me. get this FOL out of here"

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Awesome- please do.

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I am digging FoL's addition to the blog. Still feel the Postons are morons....but FoL brings some good info....please confront Snyder!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | June 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

LaVar pays his agents to look over THE document he signs, not just a previous version. That is what they are paid to do. I commend LaVar for sticking by his peeps, but they should have been fired.

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

It is moronic to even say their names in the same sentence. Lavar was a beast. He made SCORES of amazing, studly plays. He was undisciplined scheme wise and everyone from Marvin Lewis and after said so...but comparing him to the BOZ? hahahaha. you should be smacked in the head for even saying it.

Posted by: BigRichXXL | June 21, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It is moronic to even say their names in the same sentence. Lavar was a beast. He made SCORES of amazing, studly plays. He was undisciplined scheme wise and everyone from Marvin Lewis and after said so...but comparing him to the BOZ? hahahaha. you should be smacked in the head for even saying it.

Posted by: BigRichXXL | June 21, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Also, as far as "not having enought time to review the document." that is total BS as well.

They could have scanned the documents and searched electronicaly for any differences between them.

There is a reason that they were suspended from the league. The league found them to be bush league agents.

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry FOL;

You NEVER sign anything without reading it first.

That is rule #1. It is so you dont end up looking like a jackass, as all parties involved did. It ultimately cost LaVar $3.25 million.

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Rich;

Are you trying to show that you are a big guy? Big and XXL is the same moniker? Crazy.

Sounds like something Snyder would do/say to keep FOL from kicking his a$$.

Sorry, just razzing the new guy.

(and yes, razzing is a term that is still used today, in the 20th century)

Posted by: Zebra | June 21, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

FOL, you've heard just one side of the story, and as you've stated you're a friend of the person whom was effected by this, so your ability to be unbiased is compromised.

And yes, I believe that the Postons did not read this contract. They basically said as much. Lavar should have fired his agent because if by chance Snyder DID in fact leave that bonus out, then it was his agents JOB to notice that this was left out, and not have Lavar sign the contract. Lavar had blind loyalty to someone who did not do the job they were paid to do, and subsequently was punished by the NFL for not doing their job.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | June 21, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks boys. One other point if I may.

Players around the league get reputations. It happens. Its why Chris Samuels will go to the pro bowl this year whether he deserves to or not. When a guy gets a reputation, it seems like it's pretty much impossible to shake it; good or bad. Lavar got the rep as being a freelancer. I don't think any of us can really know if it's true. We're not in the film room and we're not personnel execs or coaches or whatever.

I always felt it was one of those stigmas that people will believe no matter what. I never thought it was fair that coaches didn't get reps of any sort, or that a guy who wanted to make plays gets a rap that he doesn't follow instructions. I'd take a guy trying to make a play than warrick.holdman.edu standing in the 'right place' everytime while he gets bowled over.

Just my opinion, and I'm sure there are many who would disagree and maybe rightly so. I just cannot abide the revisionist history where it becomes all too easy to bash someone who gave their heart and soul to a city and a team with no direction.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | June 21, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Flag on Zebra!
For using terms rendered quaint by modern usage.

(Here's the flag back, please don't show it to Nate. He gets freaky about these things.)

http://www.ae.com/web/browse/product.jsp?rcid=clearance&navroot=clearance&scid=cat90062&sscid=cat530003&ssscid=cat650006&productId=6495_1159&WT%2Emc_id=aff21&WT%2Emc_ev=click

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I heard the other side of FOL's fantastic story. The contract Lavar signed is exactly the same one that he and his agent read. All that stuff about an extra bonus was made up by Lavar and his agent.

Posted by: Friend of Dan | June 21, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

FOD;

If the bonus was made up by Lavar and his peeps, then why would Danny give in and shell out $3.25 mil?

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

FOD - You must have some huge balls stepping into this blog...

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

CC--

If Lavar thought he was getting $6.5, why did he settle for $3.25?

BT--

Yep, they're big.

Posted by: Friend of Dan | June 21, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The thought of Snyder, who grew up a Skins fan and one day fulfilled his dream by owning the team, and LaVar, the Pro Bowler "who bleeds burgundy and and gold" playing chess on the plane brings a very real and tragic element to this mess.

In this case, placing blame is a fool's game.

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - When in doubt, blame the agent

Posted by: BT | June 21, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

For all the other HONs out there...Girardi just turned down the O's.

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Lavar rushed to sign the contract to help the Redskins with the cap situation. He could have been a complete a-hole and said no I need to read or have my agents read every little line to make sure of what I am signing. While he had blind loyalty in his agents he was also expecting the same of someone he knew and respected over the years. If Snyder really did that, he is the biggest weasel in the history of franchise ownership. He may well be already regardless.

FOL - if you get a chance to confront Snyder throw in a few threats to try to get him to sell the team.

Posted by: cdubb | June 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I will always, always blame Snyder for this. He or people working for him committed the original sin which led to this ugly shabingus.

LaVar and his Keystone Kops agents were expecting a bonus that had been agreed to in a meeting, and in good faith they signed the contract. It was definitely their mistake not to notice the omission before signing, but the ORIGINAL SIN was the front office people who intentionally or accidentally didn't include the agreed-to bonus in the contract to begin with.

Boo on Snyder, forever, for not making it right. He could have and should have, and he did nothing. The Skins' official response was basically Nelson Muntz's 'Ha Ha!' They were gleeful in pointing the finger at the Postons. That made them look incredibly small, and did NOTHING to alleviate the team's responsibility here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It really cool to read (apparently) genuine Insider posting here...to hear the human side.

FOL, FOD:
Any thoughts on training camp and the 2007 season that we haven't worked to death on this blog already?

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

FOD;

$3.25 is better than getting nothing...

I don't know, it just sounds strange considering Danny went to court with his Nanny over pocket change (danny type pocket change of course) but decided to give Lavar money when he didn't have to?

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Brian Bosworth = Tony Mandarich.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Look I have never meet the Poston's but I know that his agent did read over the contract at one point. His agent DID NOT read the contract that was faxed to him the day after the dinner.

Yep, FoL is correct. And boys, I have never read any contracts more than 500 words. I let my lawyers handle all that. That's what I pay them for.

BUT when you have a handshake deal, you've seen it in the print. and snyder says "okay". Neither you or I or any schyzo would've thought snyder, a billionaire(?) would pull a cheap stunt like that. As a lawyer you're thinking they've met our conditions..."Sign here lavar".

and that's exactly why i would never have fired the agents. and that and throwing $4 mil at snyder's face to buy your freedom is reasons enough to LOVE lavar. he's almost at the same place in my heart as spurrier. who also threw $10 mil at snyder's face and said go f yourself.

no reasonable person would think that a team owner who likes to throw money at shti would cheat the best player on the team. not good business.

and don't forget it is NOT in postons interest to get less money for their client. unless snyder paid the postons. which is highly unlikely.

F Snyder!

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

F FOD!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

CC writes: "BARNO - Jason never said anything about "fan incompetence". Read again.

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 11:45 AM"

Actually, Jason DID write the following:
"Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league."

So where is my apology?

Posted by: CC, YOU NEED TO READ AGAIN! | June 21, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

CC writes: "BARNO - Jason never said anything about "fan incompetence". Read again.

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 11:45 AM"

Actually, Jason DID write the following:
"Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league."

So where is my apology?

Posted by: CC, YOU NEED TO READ AGAIN! | June 21, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

LaVar .NEQ. BOZ, Mandarich.

Closer approximation for different reasons ...

LaVar Arrington ~= Dexter Manley

To quote Gibbs, "I've spent more time dealing with
his issues than any other player in my coaching career." Remember Gibbs also coached Dexter.

Both WERE productive and at times excelled as players. But "outside" distractions seemed to always derail them.

Posted by: periculuim | June 21, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I think what Spurrier said was 'Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that my system doesn't work up here isn't worth $10MM to me. I'm going back to college where my gimcrack offense can help me win more games than I lose. I'm done sullying my reputation as a genius, no matter how much Snyder wants to pay me.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

periculum, I'd like to buy a vowel.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Jasno posted it, but they are not his words.

"Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league."

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

OOps...now i read the whole thing. And my apologies to Jason and CC.

Foot is squarely in mouth as i type.

Posted by: BaRnO | June 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Barno:

I am in your corner on the DVD BUT....

Here is the blog post:

The Realests Write:

On his 29th birthday, we'd like to commemorate LaVar Arrington's time in the NFL.

Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league.

Its akin to a guest blog and Janso clearly states where his words end and the guests begin...

so drop that line...

Now what this does say is Janso needs to upgrade the blog NOW with more pics, links and some bolds/italics and other formatting things to improve readability!!!!!!!

Cindy crack the whip!

Posted by: chris larry | June 21, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Realests Write:

On his 29th birthday, we'd like to commemorate LaVar Arrington's time in the NFL.

Having been elected to 3 straight Pro Bowls due to fan incompetence, it gets lost in the shuffle just how big a bust LaVar was in the league.


Those aren't JLC's words!!!!!!!!!! It's that Realests blog's words. See the part where JLC starts with "The Realests Write:". See, that's called "attribution". See, he's giving credit to the source of the statement, since it's NOT his own. pretty simple

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Nate- I concur 1000000000000%.

I know it was posted recently, i.e. within the last few months, but I could watch these 19 seconds over, and over, and over, and over...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BynBZNiE9EA

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Yuh, here's Jasno's source. He's probably reading all the outraged comments on this thread and LHGO.

http://therealests.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Lavar doesn't even compare to the Boz. I can't believe you even gave this argument merit by mentioning it. More insane posts like this one and I'm done with this blog. Boz was a total and complete bust, Lavar at least had a couple of good years. You say if you look at it with your mind and not your heart it makes sense. Are you serious?

Maybe you are looking at it with your heart.

Did Lavar throw a whip cream pie on you while he was with the Skins?

Posted by: Ted | June 21, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, how do you know they had a 'hand-shake' deal? Furthermore, you said you let an attorney handle anything more than 500 words, which is exactly what Lavar did, only his 'attorney' didn't do his job.

Kevin, or Carl, admitted that they did not read the contract. They were fined and suspended for not doing their jobs. But this is Snyders fault.

Spurrier didn't properly prepare the team, but F-Snyder because the ball coach was a failure? What?

Posted by: Greg(boston) | June 21, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Random thought that doesn't go with the post... but if the front office is considering McCardell.. why didn't they go after Keshawn Johnson?? It seems obvious, but we need some big bodies to catch red zone passes. Cooley and Sellars can only do so much.. we don't really have a battering ram RB (unless you count Sellars) so a 6'5 Keshawn would have been golden for one year.

I'd hate to know the # of times in the last 3-4 years we made it inside the 5 yard line and didn't score.

At the end of the day, scoring points is everything. If you don't have a good red zone offense and kicking game.. your season is over before it starts.

How's our field goal kicker .. HA!

Posted by: cwprice | June 21, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

NATE, you BAMF! (speaking of the lovely lady who gave us BAMF...sfskin, schools out where you be?) why you be hatin on spurrier so much. what i implied by saying what i said about spurrier was that he could've called danny boy's bluff. look at what marty did. he gave snyder the finger TWICE and in between those fingers he got PAID the full amount of the contract.

dude, $10 mil is a lot of money. and everyone knew snyder was going to fire him. at the least he could've negotiated. and you know what marty did when snyder tried to negotiate the buyout? LMGO! that was so sweet!

all i'm saying is spurrier could've done the same thing and instead he took the higher road.

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

How about blaming Spurrier for being a lousy coach, and doing a half-a$$ed job?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | June 21, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

dealer, you are an easy mark as far as getting riled up. But you do get blog points for being the only person who stands up for Spurrier, kind of like Lisa defending Brunell when everyone on the blog was crushing him.

I will guess that you like Spurrier as our former coach -- ah, what could have been! -- a lot more than you did as our coach.

Do you remember watching those games, dude? It was freakin' brutal watching that rinky-dink offense run by Spurrier's hand-picked stiffs, and on some level I know you know it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

simple determination of LaVar's impact on the game, check his numbers compare them to Joey porter.........there is no comparison.....FACT LaVar was here and now he's gone like spurriur great collegete career amounted to nothing in the pro's check the sack totals they tell you what you need. He didn't even become a journeymen LB for higher due to his durability issues come on you're a Line backer.

Posted by: stick75 | June 21, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

soxLover, why would lavar lie? what did he benefit from lying to himself, us, the media and fcking his relationship with the owner who he was so smittens with just months ago? give me one reason.

i said F snyder for being a bully. and how sweeeeeeeeeeeet it was when little napolean got bullied by marty!! and you know what's sweet about St. joe's lack of success? St. joe is raping his ass! and aint even kissing him. he's depleting his bank account. St. joe has him by the balls. lovin it. he's using the park, the stadium to further enhance his nascar binness, his true love. meanwhile the skins are stinking up the joint and spending more than ever before. you gotta love it.

[dude, you gotta find a silver lining somewhere! ]

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The facts seemed to be twisted as a read what I missed.

FOD and FOL both seem to carry only partial truths.

Fact - The Potsons didn't read the last contract

Fact - The Potsons had up to 14 Days after the contract was signed to dispute any claims.

Fact - Snyder is a billionaire who has never been ashamed to throw $$ at players.

Fact - There was another $6.5 Mil bonus that LaVar Recieved, but he claims there was another one on top of that.

Fact - The NFLPA suspended one of the Potsons for 2 years because of the LAVar misshap.

Here is my recurring thought from a Nunyo article when this began...

"At issue is a $6.5 million roster bonus for 2006 that [LaVar Arrington] and his agent Carl Poston say was agreed to by the team but was not included in an eight-year, $68 million extension that Arrington signed on Dec. 26 at Redskins Park. With the roster bonus, Arrington's contract would be worth $74.5 million."

Some body messed up the #s. I wouldn't think it was Snyder because this dude is a financial wizard......

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the difference between Johnson and McCardell is that McCardell understands (I think) that he is only worth right around the vet minimum.

Would Meyshawn have been willing to do the same?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about unfair comparisons. LA was a dominant football player for a couple of years. Although one who still never met his full potential and had his career cut short by injuries. For a couple of years, way back then, he was on every knowledgible fans' list of top linebackers.

Boz never really showed any signs that he belonged in the NFL at all. He was never even good, when LA was great for a couple of seasons (Even though there were flaws in his game and he was misused by some coaching staffs).

Posted by: fineline | June 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about unfair comparisons. LA was a dominant football player for a couple of years. Although one who still never met his full potential and had his career cut short by injuries. For a couple of years, way back then, he was on every knowledgible fans' list of top linebackers.

Boz never really showed any signs that he belonged in the NFL at all. He was never even good, when LA was great for a couple of seasons (Even though there were flaws in his game and he was misused by some coaching staffs).

Posted by: fineline | June 21, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, talk about unfair comparisons. LA was a dominant football player for a couple of years. Although one who still never met his full potential and had his career cut short by injuries. For a couple of years, way back then, he was on every knowledgible fans' list of top linebackers.

Boz never really showed any signs that he belonged in the NFL at all. He was never even good, when LA was great for a couple of seasons (Even though there were flaws in his game and he was misused by some coaching staffs).

Posted by: fineline | June 21, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for repeating that post. It was a mistake.

Posted by: fineline | June 21, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

other than the o-line name one player that was on the offense back then?

and don't tell me spurrier picked them...cuz you know what if this dysfunctional org had a gm they would've known there's a reason danny woefull isn't in the league! and trung candy can't play...and to not let go of that RB...

he shouldn't have been the only one to get the axe. yes, his work ethics are much like mine and that's why i like him but he more than makes up for it with his geniusness.

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, are you kidding me? You carry such angst against the owner that you're happy that they're doing lousy? You're happy that Joe Gibbs is struggling, because you perceive that it means that Dan is spending more money than ever before? Wow...why bother following the team?

4th pretty much nails this one with his facts. Anyone who blames Snyder for this, is just misinformed. Yeah, he's really worried over 6.5 million.

Posted by: Greg (Boston) | June 21, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Punkass O's and Tejada. he's too hurt to play today, so he's in the line up batting 2nd. attempts a bunt and gets on from a fielder's choice, then they pull him for a pinch runner. all to keep the "streak" going. Fraud. Ripken never pulled that siht

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Stick75- No one here is saying that LaVar was Lawrence Taylor. Plenty of disappointment about unfulfilled potential has been expressed. Just saying he's not some 2-bit chud who should never have been in the NFL. Overhyped? Probably. But he made an impact for a few years.

Posted by: D7 | June 21, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ripken never pulled that siht

Posted by: | June 21, 2007 03:44 PM

Did you ever hear the rumor of the Ripken vs. Kevin Costner deal?

Im sure if you look around on-line you can find it somewhere.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The only reason I could see someone defending Spurrier is that he has pictures of them in a compromising position. Stop getting high on your own supply dealer. Dude was a loser and admitted he did not care. Great role model for college kids.

Posted by: cdubb | June 21, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Was anyone else bothered by the "I still have your defensive playbook" game that Arrington played this year?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

nate, yes, i didn't like spurrier era. but after it was over and when coach joe brought in brunell on day one. that's when i started thinking differently. but i love him as a person more. and i still think that his offense would've worked had he been in a not so dysfunctional org.

there i said it! :) but the way you and the press say it as if he was a complete idiot isn't fair. the guy is an offensive genius.

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

love that old Ripken rumor. one of those things that's lives on in lore. if only it could be verified as true

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

soxLover, the reason i love the team and root for the team is because the team was here before snyder. and will be here after snyder. why should i stop rooting for my team because of him? he's just a temp.

and did you read my little PS? i said you have to find good in what's been so bad for so long. and the only good that i could find is that it's hurting snyder where it counts in his pockets.

Posted by: dealer | June 21, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Well in the mood of bashing Snyder I figure I would tell a story about a friend who worked in the ticket office last season.

First off, let me say that the people that work in the ticket office are so over qualified and underpaid. People that work in there have degrees from Gtown, masters at UVA and are only paid $27,500 a year. His paycheck would be like $700 and some change every two weeks. I tried to get my buddy to email J La to expose some off the BS they pull in that office. He has yet to do so, but I will post one story....

On one of his first days in the office an old lady called up explaining that she was 80 some years old and that she has been a season ticket holder for like 50 some years. So my buddy looks it up and she was not lying and had been a season ticket holder for almost 50 years. She explained to him that her health was going south (basically about to die) and that she wanted to goto one last game, but needed a parking pass so she could park in the front. So being a new employee, he put her on hold and went to his boss to explain the story. His boss's response "F*** that B****". So he had to go back on the phone and tell her that her last dying wish of going to a Redskins game would not be granted.

You stay classy Redskins!

Posted by: Friend of LaVar | June 21, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - I was a little more than bothered by those comments.

Since I don't know him, I was just hoping that's how he jokes. I do know people that joke like that, not many but I do...

But, I must admit....What Dale said was true. 'It don't matter, if you've never opened it up while a redskin.'

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I've read articles in which members of the media confirmed that they saw Ripken on the field that day warming up with the team. I love the rumor though!

The media should be thanking Tejada for what he just did. Now, they have something to write about for the next several days other than writing about another loss...

Posted by: CC | June 21, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that Snyder deserves the fuzzy end of the lollipop all the time. Sure he has made his share of mistakes, but I dont think he ever made a decision that he didnt feel would benefit the team.

Over the next couple of years as they evolve into a NFC powerhouse I think he will finallg get the monkey (SB Win) off his back and finally relax and delegate a little more.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I remember 98 Rock supposedly interviewing the "arresting officer" in the Ripken story. My sister is a die hard Orioles fan (as am I) but more than that she is a Ripken fanatic since she was like five years old.

Even she beleives the story is somewhat plausible. Does anyone put it past Peterangelos to make something like this happen.

Sad to hear about Girardi...thought we had a better chance there.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

FOL,

Why is someone with a degree from Georgetown or a masters from UVA working in a ticket office?

Posted by: Redskin Fan In DE | June 21, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If I had a degree from Georgetown, Im not sure I would apply for a job in a ticketbooth.

You tell your buddy to keep reaching for the stars anonymous redkin basher!

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I do remember him having his only double digit sack year of his entire career under Marvin Lewis. To which marvin said that LaVar played undisciplined, and Lavar complained about Marvin's scheme playing DE w/ his hand on the ground. I never said he was a chud....u're Right, with all that POTENTIAL LaVar played in the NFL. Give me a Mike Sellers over a LaVar and I'll give you a role playing contributor day in and day out vs a wow a made a interception and returned it for a touchdown now overhyped me some more so I can complain about millions that wasn't included in my contract that I signed. Sorry I'm just a dissapointed fan that has to admit that he won't miss lavar and said early on that the team would get better without him.

Posted by: stick75 | June 21, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm the one the guy in the ticket booth replaced--How do you think I felt?

Posted by: dancing monkey | June 21, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

punctuation is good...

Posted by: Anonymous | June 21, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

FoL - That happens in Customer Service all of the time.

You friend was fresh out of college and was not aware that everyone dosen't play nice in the 'real world'. I am 4 years out of college and am still learning. The 'real worl' isn't all that nice.

With organizations like this, you have to start from the bottom and work your way up to the top. I doubt ticket offiec is the way to go, though. He prob should have looked at opportunities at Redskins' Park. He stil wouldn't have made a lot of $$. If he wanted to make alot of cash fast, he would have been a lawyer or went to work at Wall Street.......

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

it's going to be a long summer for us hamsters.
jasno did his bit by posting something so controversial it was certain to bring rain.
147 posts, and counting, on a non-subject.
by the way, didn't i read somewhere that LA was a pall bearer (honorary?) at the funeral of Snidely's dad?
how could the Danny then turn around and let something like a few million dollars sour the relationship with the "face of the franchise"?
it never made a lick of sense to me then, and it never will.

Posted by: Redskin Willie | June 21, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

If GOD wanted me to be liked, he would have made me a kitten.

Posted by: Daniel Snyder | June 21, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry- thanks bro.

La Canfora claims that he gave the DVD to Chris Cooley to sign, but "never got it back." Maybe if he asked him for it back, he'd have gotten it back. Either way, I was supposed to get this thing nearly 10 months ago, and was hoping for a Cooley autograph or at least something. But never got anything.

Boooooo JLC. He's got my address, he's got my email, and he knows who I am. And yet here we are 10 months later and I still have yet to get the damn thing.

That's all I have to say.

Posted by: Barno | June 21, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Times can turn this into a story for you Barno. That would be Hilarious!

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok, OK you sucked me back in. I loved LaVar when he played for us, but he wasnt "useful" to us in William's D. He had to go. He wanted out so bad that he paid back part of his contract. Then he came out swinging. He acted like a jilted girl friend. Once he put on a different uni, I stopped caring. Had it been the Chargers or Browns etc... it woldn't have been so bad, but come on he went to the freaking Giants. The Giants, he talked about the "showing" his playbook. Karma is a mother f'er. I certainly hate that he was injuried and I won't wish him being in a accident for anything, but so long LaVar. My attention is going towards the players that want to be there and can play with the systems we have.

As for the dope who said his friend works in the Ticket Office, what??? Degrees from GT & UVA making 27k? Get real. If your story is true, then they are making TOO much. As for the parking pass, I could care less about Granny and her parking pass, if I have to pay 75 clams off of ebay, so does Aunt Bea. Plus I dont want to walk up the ramp behind some 90 year old lady minutes before Kickoff anyway, stay at home if you can't pay for the parking pass.

My two Licoln coins...Keenan is going to have 50 plus catches and will improve B.Lloyd developement.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 21, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Hail to 'Em just brought in 'Real World' Honesty. All we can do is stand back and appreciate it.

Hail to 'Em - Don't be pushing any old ladies, now. You never know when a real hammer might smack you on the back of the head!

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Damn!!

Hail to 'em came out of nowhere just like Jack Ruby did...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

By the way,

just in case you are wondering, the elderly woman in the story is alive and well I think.

Im pretty sure i was behind her in the bank today whe asked for a free toaster because "at my age I don't know how many more chances I will have to eat toast"

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hail to 'em,
So your argument is that Williams should not have structured his defense schemes to the players on the roster (LA). If he was unwilling to do it then, I think it was a personal statement.

(It seems Williams is adjusting the defense to the players now on the roster.)

Posted by: Stumped | June 21, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Im pretty sure i was behind her in the bank today whe asked for a free toaster because "at my age I don't know how many more chances I will have to eat toast"
Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | June 21, 2007 04:41 PM

Very funny.

Hey, if you bring it... gotta bring it Jack Ruby style.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 21, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, here you go:

http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/costner.asp

"FALSE"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,
Well actually MOST coaches have a scheme and obtain players that fit that style of play. The Redskins, have in the past just went after ANY player and forced them to play that style and when it didn't happen, we went and got someone else.

Did Williams have strong, DT's at Tennessee? Nope, he had SOLID LB's, cover CB's and atheltic a SS. How about at Buffalo? When he came to The Skins, he played with what he had.

Williams isn't the first DC that LaVar could play for.

(It seems Williams is adjusting the defense to the players now on the roster.)

WHO? He relies on speed and quickness and for his players to be aggressive. If you haven't noticed, he doesn't seem to really care much for bulk. I'll continue to hold out hope that injuries on the D and FO mishaps, were the reason the D played so poorly. Not because of the man behind the curtin.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,
Well actually MOST coaches have a scheme and obtain players that fit that style of play. The Redskins, have in the past just went after ANY player and forced them to play that style and when it didn't happen, we went and got someone else.

Did Williams have strong, DT's at Tennessee? Nope, he had SOLID LB's, cover CB's and atheltic a SS. How about at Buffalo? When he came to The Skins, he played with what he had.

Williams isn't the first DC that LaVar could play for.

(It seems Williams is adjusting the defense to the players now on the roster.)

WHO? He relies on speed and quickness and for his players to be aggressive. If you haven't noticed, he doesn't seem to really care much for bulk. I'll continue to hold out hope that injuries on the D and FO mishaps, were the reason the D played so poorly. Not because of the man behind the curtin.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | June 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, will the WaPo be sending a reporter to Wyoming to investigate "Toastergate"?

Posted by: Otter | June 21, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | June 21, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

4th, you can almost hear the naysayers now on Brian Mitchell for the Pro HOF: "he didn't have a signature moment... he wasn't a gamebreaker... he never did anything in a big game...blah blah freakin' blah..."

The same script they've been following with Monk. Jerks.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

BMitch would get my vote if he had 5,000 punt return yards, and 10 for TDs. but he only had 4,999 and 9 TDs, so I won't be voting for him. Or Monk. Or Green. And I'm leading the charge to get Riggins ousted from the Hall. And Sonny too.

Posted by: Len FatPastaBelly | June 21, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"I find I journalize too tediously. Let me try to abbreviate."

-James Boswell, the original Boz

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 21, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

You all like my tough mullet in that picture?

Last word on this string:

This blog stank like a $5 prosty with dysentery.

Posted by: Boz | June 21, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

kost, any interest in doing a 'live' draft instead of an automatic draft? I'm sure we could find a time that works for people in, like, seven different time zones located on either side of the International Date Line. Sounds like a drinking opportunity to me!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | June 22, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Last again!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 22, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

i think lavar's problems weren't so much do to injury, but moreso a different defensive coordinator every year. learning a new system 4 straight years has got to be tough on any player...even more for a freelancer like lavar.

Posted by: drewredskins | June 22, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

lavar had to deal with stupid bullheaded coaching......

Posted by: la | June 22, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Jason LaCacafora
You suck balls man, matter of fact you suck big ballz. You can hate on Rod Gardner but Lavar ? Don't even try that Boz bizness, you just lost your credibility, next up might be your career in Washington Bossalini ! In the meantime go sit in a corner next to Sally Jennings.

Posted by: Dongzilla | June 22, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Or whatever her name is.

Posted by: Dongzilla | June 22, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

drewredskins got it right. lavar was a freakin beast. coaching turnover killed his career here. if he'd had the coaching consistency that lawrence taylor enjoyed in ny, he'd have ended more than one qb's career.
lavar is a half-intellgent guy; you can tell that just from watching him talk to george michael. it must've burned his a** dealing with the turnover. every five minutes somebody else coming along with another way of doing things. i don't blame him for being a little "un-coachable" towards the end.

Posted by: finko | June 23, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

3 Pro Bowls.

A key playoff INT that gave the Skins a chance to beat Seattle and go the to NFC Champ game, many game changing plays and was a better run stuffer than most people gave him credit for. He might not have been Jack Ham or LT, but was there for every game.

To compare him the Bust is like comparing Leaf to Manning. Sheesh. What jackasss thought this one up?

Maybe Pastabelly or some out of work sports writer who is 1) too young and 2) too stupid to even know he is writing about? Can we say a Sexual Fantasy Leaguer? Give me a break.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2007 2:06 AM | Report abuse

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