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Leftwich Visit Scheduled Well in Advance

The timing of quarterback Byron Leftwich's workout with the Redskins seems curious, to say the least. The team brought in the free agent Friday for an audition at Redskins Park -- the same day owner Daniel Snyder called a meeting with quarterback Jason Campbell to clear the air after the Redskins failed in their attempts to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler from the Denver Broncos.

The Chicago Bears completed a deal for Cutler on Thursday. On Friday, Snyder, Campbell, Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, and head coach Jim Zorn met in Snyder's office in an attempt to move forward for next season.

It would seem, however, that despite trying to mend fences with Campbell, the team was bringing in another possible replacement for him in Leftwich, a D.C. native and the seventh overall pick in the 2003 draft. Well, things are not always as they appear, the Redskins said today.


A team official called to say that Leftwich's visit had been scheduled long before last week's events in order to coincide with Friday's workout of area draft-eligible players. The Redskins had planned for the former NFL starter to throw to receivers and running backs during the group workout. Unfortunately for the Redskins, the NFL said Leftwich could not participate in that workout because it was only for, well, players who could be selected in this month's draft. Hence the term, draft-eligible workout.

For what it's worth, a source close to Campbell said he knew about the workout and would be cool with Leftwich joining the team. The Redskins' official reiterated in our phone conversation that Leftwich, if he is offered a contract and signs with Washington, would not compete for the starting job. Leftwich has been told that he would be the No. 2 quarterback at the outset of training camp, and he would only play during the season if Campbell was injured or ineffective.

My partner, Mr. La Canfora, and I are working way too hard for early April, so I'm going to take a nap before the Final Four starts. To our wonderful editors: Unless the team is sold or it starts raining $100 bills at the complex, please don't wake me. As always, peace.

By Jason Reid  |  April 4, 2009; 5:54 PM ET
 
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Comments

No Man-crush types allowed ...

signed the management.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

...yeah...sure...only the first QB off the bench...

Posted by: bobeaston | April 4, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

"My partner, Mr. La Canfora, and I are working way too hard for early April, so I'm going to take a nap before the Final Four starts. To our wonderful editors: Unless the team is sold or it starts raining $100 bills at the complex, please don't wake me. As always, peace."

Better keep that dial tuned Jason ... you never know what new plot twist will be revealed in the next episode of that popular daytime drama: "Dulles, the land of Snidely Owl".

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins had planned for the former NFL starter to throw to receivers and running backs during the group workout. Unfortunately for the Redskins, the NFL said Leftwich could not participate in that workout because it was only for, well, players who could be selected in this month's draft. Hence the term, draft-eligible workout.

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | April 4, 2009; 5:54 PM ET

What? Is there no one competent out there at Redskins Park? They invite him to throw to potential draftees, then "discover" he can't, but don't reschedule his visit? So most of the coaches and personnel guys are looking at potential draftees, but have to take a break from that to watch Leftwich?

Either the story is a complete crock or management is a complete crock. Or both. And yes, that was "crock" not "cork."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"At some point you've got to see what the kid can do. Seriously. The Packers took a leap of faith with Rogers and it paid off. Other cases were disastrous. Remember Sage Rosenfels?

If they have doubts about JC, declare an open competition.

Posted by: messykat | April 4, 2009"

Rogers was a calculated risk:

Again using ESPN's handy dandy QB calc-U-La-TOR:
"Speak Bolt!":
(Higher numbers indicate higher probability
of success):

Matt Leinart USC 2006 64.04
Philip Rivers NC State 2004 48.44
Tim Couch Kentucky 1999 47.64
Alex Smith Utah 2005 44.88
Aaron Rodgers California 2005 40.58
Peyton Manning Tennessee 1998 39.47
Jason Campbell Auburn 2005 38.75
Byron Leftwich Marshall 2003 36.39
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004 33.85
Chad Pennington Marshall 2000 33.53
Daunte Culpepper Central Florida 1999 30.00
David Carr Fresno State 2002 23.97
Joe Flacco Delaware 2008 23.92

Noting that Colt's number is also pretty good; its in the 40's range.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"Either the story is a complete crock or management is a complete crock. Or both. And yes, that was "crock" not "cork."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009"

Both statements appear to be true. Se la Vive.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Tim Couch Kentucky 1999 47.64
Colt Brennan 2008 46.1

Right after Mr. Couch ... hmmm ...

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Open competition between Colt and Campbell! I agree with skinsflorida, to me, Campbell never wants to take a risk, and when he does it gets intercepted. He never makes a pass unless he is 100% sure it will be caught. That's why he had so little touchdowns and interceptions last year, he never took any risks. Maybe it was Zorn's playcalling or maybe it was Jason being scared, either way, it was annoying. I think we threw the ball over 30 yards maybe once per game.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:21 PM |

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

It's official, they hate Jason Campbell and don't see anything in him!! They don't think he is the long term solution! Maybe they should try COLT out! *gasp!!*

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

oh, oops, maybe i should've read the post before I posted. So Jason can't be unseated from #1??? It would take Leftwich time to learn the new offense, Todd would know more of this offense than Leftwich...

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Sign Leftwich.

It's no brainer.

Unless, of course,....

...you have no brains.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 4, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"oh, oops, maybe i should've read the post before I posted. So Jason can't be unseated from #1??? It would take Leftwich time to learn the new offense, Todd would know more of this offense than Leftwich...

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009"

Todd Collins is also 37 years old. Has had really only 1 year in this offense.

Leftwich helped Pittsburgh make it to a superbowl. He is only 29.

Again, statistically Leftwich is the better choice as a backup. And he is a "local".

Colt is hanging 10 in Hawaii, I heard he might be the star of an updated "Bay (Babe) Watch".
Colt is definitely "chick crack" and women are the primary shoppers in the economy ... hmmm if Snyder wanted a "stimulus" ... of course Colt may be too much "simulus" for some women :D

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Periculum, you're right. If we get Leftwich, Colt would be 3rd QB. Poop.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

'...Open competition between Colt and Campbell!...'

I'm sick of this 'Try Colt' crap.

Listen people: the guy was a 7th round draft pick who, in a college bowl game against SEC (LSU) competition, looked flustered, confused, and weak-armed.

He starred in the fourth quarter of a coulpe of NFL preseason games, but somehow, hey, he's Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan waiting to happen.

Sign Leftwich, cut Collins, and wait and see if Campbell earns his extension. If he does, Colt and Byron sit. If he doesn't, he moves on, Leftwich starts, and we still have the 1st round pick to choose from a better class next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 4, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"Sign Leftwich, cut Collins, and wait and see if Campbell earns his extension. If he does, Colt and Byron sit. If he doesn't, he moves on, Leftwich starts, and we still have the 1st round pick to choose from a better class next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 4, 2009"

Ahh Mista Moe, you forget ... ol' Snidely is in the entertainment business ... partnered up with the likes of Tom Cruise ... Colt could be the next "Chick Crack" ... the next Brad Pitt. He could sell lots and lots of T-shirts ... and yes you could soon see Colt Brennan on Dancing With the Stars ... wonder if he knows west coast swing? or shag?

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes Post Get someone else to do these posts in the off season, because

JLaC is tired of the skins. Boooooooooo

This Leftwich thing makes sense.

Collins will always hold that place in my mind. ST21 tribute run to the playoffs!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 4, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

"Periculum, you're right. If we get Leftwich, Colt would be 3rd QB. Poop.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009"

Don't worry ... Colt can continue to be the millennium's rendition of ... yes you guessed it ... the Babe himself, Babe Laufenberg, the preseaon's superbowl QB himself ...

The Redskins could put him on calendars along with the cheerleaders and sell a whole passel ... "chick crack" sells.

Colt will get his chance ... the statistics appear to indicate that he may be too good not to. But he does take unnecessary risks ... and has a higher risk of injury at the NFL level.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Haha, periculum, great point! Afterall, Danny doesn't really care if the team does well or not, all he cares about is making MONEY!! (or stealing money from us fans!!)

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Colt is hanging 10 in Hawaii, I heard he might be the star of an updated "Bay (Babe) Watch".
Colt is definitely "chick crack" and women are the primary shoppers in the economy ... hmmm if Snyder wanted a "stimulus" ... of course Colt may be too much "simulus" for some women :D

Posted by: periculum

Colt is not hanging 10 in Hawaii....he is actually in the area....and played in Cooley golf tournament the other day....although it appears his ear was attached to his cell phone.

I truly want to see Jason Campbell succeed as our QB but I also have to admit to loving Colt - the kid is just so much fun to watch and has a great personality. Look forward to watching him in pre-season.

http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/03/golf-tourney-at-raspberry-falls-today.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Colt is not hanging 10 in Hawaii....he is actually in the area....and played in Cooley golf tournament the other day....although it appears his ear was attached to his cell phone.

I truly want to see Jason Campbell succeed as our QB but I also have to admit to loving Colt - the kid is just so much fun to watch and has a great personality. Look forward to watching him in pre-season.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2009"

High Powered Sales and Marketing Guru on the
phone to Snidely the Owl:

"Snidely, Colt should definitely start ...
Chick Crack ... he's it and it sells ...
see above ..." :D

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Tell me if this is true:
Colt has a "QB personality", JC doesn't.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/2009/03/golf-tourney-at-raspberry-falls-today.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 4, 2009"

Check this out Cooley ... Colt may replace you as the cheerleader's player "to die for" ... :D

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

"Tell me if this is true:
Colt has a "QB personality", JC doesn't.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009'

Depends on what you like.

JC17 is a good ol' country boy from the south. Likes low country boil and PBR's.

Colt is from Irvine ... has OC tatooed on his toucas, cell phone growing out of his ear. Likes sushi and Tequila shots.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"JLaC is tired of the skins. Boooooooooo'

Think you are referring to Jason Reid's comment.

Posted by: periculum | April 4, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"JLaC is tired of the skins. Boooooooooo'

Think you are referring to Jason Reid's comment.

Posted by: periculum

thanks. tired of the skins reid? boooooooo!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 4, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep Colt safe at #3 for as long as possible

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 4, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

JReid, actually getting a chance to click the post button himself!

One day, you might even see a second face in the RI Header. The Man cannot keep him down forever.

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Ok fellow skins fans.....


I RECANT! I am manning up! In light of how JC had handled this whole thing this week and what we have been told has transpired.....

I have tons of repsect for JC and the way he has handled the situation. I admit as many know, I was all for getting Cutler but now I am glad it didn't happen...I am fully behind Campbell and i hope he can step up and take us to the promise land.

i still think he has to improve in certain areas...That has not changed...But I am very impressed with his maturity and his attitude. I hope he takes us!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Leftwich coming Up Here is interesting mainly for the following reason: here's a guy that thinks of himself as a pro starter, in a league that has between 5-10 teams that don't have a clear #1 QB, coming to visit a team with two significant "guarantees":
(1) you won't start;
(2) you will get a 1 yr/league minimum deal

Oh, and we'd like you to throw to some high schoolers we brought in.
And there's some dry cleaning to drop off.

Posted by: daggar | April 4, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
I'm beginning to think Snyder may need psychiatric evaluation.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 4, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I love Leftwitch. He's a Redskin at heart. He loves this team as a true fan. Him coming here would be wonderful.

And if he beats out Soup, fine. Soup needs some competition to stay on top of.

And lay off Colt. He's good. And when he's asked to play, if that ever happens, he'll play his heart out.

Hail!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 4, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

abxinc - isn't it a given that when it comes to this franchise big Danny needs a bit more than just a psych eval?

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | April 4, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

JC17 have something to prove this season or he will be bench before the season is over with. I think JC17 should take more chances throwing the ball especially deep, his interceptions percentage may go up but his touchdowns percentage may go up also (that's what wins game touchdowns). I also believe we have the defense to stop teams from scoring more than 14 pts. I think our offense led by JC17 can score more than 15 pts. I hope the FO use that 13th pick for the offense line and get another good WR and I think JC17 will be ok. JC17 also need to get tough. JC I still believe in you. Like Prez Obama became president JC will lead the Skins to the super bowl. YES JC17 CAN!!!! YES JC17!!! Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: phugo83 | April 4, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

abxinc: Did you just realize that?! I think all Redskins fans realized that a lonnggggg time ago.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Based on Mayock's mock draft this week the Skins may get a chance to walk in Matt Millen's shoes on draft day:

1) M. Stafford QB
2)J. Smith T
3) E. Monroe T
4) A. Curry LB
5) BJ. Rali DT
6) A. Smith T
7) D. Heyward Bey WR
8) J. Macklin WR
9) M. Oher T
10) M. Sanchez QB
11. Buffalo
12. Denver
13. Washington

Assuming Mayock's prediction is pretty accurate, most of the elite O & D line T's are gone. It's doubtful Orakpo slides by Buffalo or the Broncos. Does Mike Williams, I mean, Charles Rogers, I mean, Crabtree fall to #13? If so, it's either a great chance to pick up additional picks by trading down with another WR hungry team - i.e. - Chitown, Philly, Baltimore, etc. or get a starting stud WR unlike Devin & Malcolm. Not such a longshot scenario if you have any faith in Mayock.

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 4, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Draft another wideout, we all know Vinny knows wideouts, great talent evaluator that he is. I trust this dude with the 13'th pick about as much as I trust Dick Cheney and Plaxico with a gun.

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Pwericulum! Bottom line Colt's tendencies were to MAKE too many MISTAKES leading to interceptions, fumbles and sacks. Hawaii's W/L record (in spite of his gaudy stats) appears to reflect that.-------
I am from Hawaii and all we did was win! We were the ONLY undefeated team in the nation when we went to the BOWL game. Yes we lost because the LINE could not protect Colt! With Colt as QB, we lost only 3 games out of 28!!!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 4, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

DJust read a story on ESPN- Todd Marinovich missed a drug rehab assignment this week- said he was working out for Vinny and Dan- throwing balls to Charles Rogers and Koren Robinson- trio might be brought in to fill out roster, increase competition in camp, take the young guns under their wing

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

""My partner, Mr. La Canfora, and I are working way too hard for early April, so I'm going to take a nap before the Final Four starts""


yeah....tough gig....talking to people about football....calling people about football...blogging about football...

redskins insider blogger = construction worker = coal miner

Posted by: cej75024 | April 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans, if you get the chance go to the Redskins official site- great story about Vinny-great picture " we are all on the same page and moving forward"
not feeling good about the draft

Posted by: antho77420 | April 4, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins had planned for the former NFL starter to throw to receivers and running backs during the group workout. Unfortunately for the Redskins, the NFL said Leftwich could not participate in that workout because it was only for, well, players who could be selected in this month's draft. Hence the term, draft-eligible workout.---J REID

This is more than a minor detail. Did anyone think to call the NFL first? It could have undone the good done by meeting with Campbell.

It's one thing if this was an isolated incident, but the team did not perform due diligence on Kelly's knee, Thomas's atittude, Davis' sleeping habits, Rinehart's psyche, J. Taylor's feet, Tryon's height and speed, or Brooks ability to loft a spheroid object a decent distance with his pedal extremity.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"Either the story is a complete crock or management is a complete crock. Or both. And yes, that was "crock" not "cork."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 4, 2009"

You're a little unclear. By "story" do you mean the story out of Redskins park, or the story in RIr. Because the story in tRI is based on the call from Redskin Park clarifying the confusion so can't really be a crock.

You should be clear if you're a real talent_evaluator. And yes that was "talent_evaluator" not "toilet_evacuator." Tee-hee

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Guys, you can see the problem with the ESPN 'potential' projections -- they're better at predicting failure than success.

Matt Leinart, Alex Smith, Tim Couch, and Aaron Rodgers all projected as better than Peyton Manning?

That alone should raise a red flag about the validity of the measure.

The failures (below zero) seem to have more going for them, but then Michael Vick is among them, and Vick's problems don't have to do with his ability to play football, do they?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

One last reminder: exceptions don't prove rules. They undermine them.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 4, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

RIr=RI

Just to clarify my request for clarification. I violated Rule One. NEVER post after cocktail Hour.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Good golly, Cork, has this place changed THAT much? Used to be a week couldn't pass up here without a solid drunk blogging session... *sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Lost the RI NCAA challenge by 10 points. Ouch. Oh well, 2nd place out of 21 aint bad.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 4, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm hooked on phonics.

Posted by: isnadd | April 4, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Which is worse the Redskins wide receivers or the Orioles starting pitching rotation?

Posted by: isnadd | April 4, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice work, Rypien11.

And a tip of the hat to Learned Hand for eking out a win over you and the rest of us in the pool.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 4, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

The winner of the RI NCAA Tourney Challenge is.... ME.

Thank you all for playing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

i think jlac and vcerrato are communicating finnaly...

Posted by: CrappyWaiter | April 5, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

But I am very impressed with his maturity and his attitude. I hope he takes us!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2009 7:31 PM

Leevi -

That was pretty big of you.

I hope JC17 gets his chance. I suspect big things may await him.

Posted by: edvar | April 5, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Bringing in Leftwich makes sense...He's a local (H.D. Woodson H.S.) and he is better than Todd Collins...

If they already told JC then I'm cool. Campbell just needs to focus on playing now!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Based on Mayock's mock draft this week the Skins may get a chance to walk in Matt Millen's shoes on draft day:

1) M. Stafford QB
2)J. Smith T
3) E. Monroe T
4) A. Curry LB
5) BJ. Rali DT
6) A. Smith T
7) D. Heyward Bey WR
8) J. Macklin WR
9) M. Oher T
10) M. Sanchez QB
11. Buffalo
12. Denver
13. Washington

Assuming Mayock's prediction is pretty accurate, most of the elite O & D line T's are gone. It's doubtful Orakpo slides by Buffalo or the Broncos. Does Mike Williams, I mean, Charles Rogers, I mean, Crabtree fall to #13? If so, it's either a great chance to pick up additional picks by trading down with another WR hungry team - i.e. - Chitown, Philly, Baltimore, etc. or get a starting stud WR unlike Devin & Malcolm. Not such a longshot scenario if you have any faith in Mayock.

Posted by: Holehoggin | April 4, 2009 9:43 PM

Hole -

Under that scenario, if we cannot trade back and still have to pick at 13, we still do not take a WR. Personally, I would look at C/G Alex Mack, DE Tyson Jackson, LB Clay Matthews or OG Duke Robinson. Any of these guys would be studs at their position and would address a major need right away for this club.

There will be some pretty good TALL WR's around later in the draft (like Marko Mitchell 6'4" 218 Nevada, or Greg Carr 6'6" 216 FSU in the 5,6,7 rounds)

Posted by: edvar | April 5, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I suspect big things may await him

...named Ware, Tuck, Umeniyora, and Ratliff.

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I suspect big things may await him

...named Ware, Tuck, Umeniyora, and Ratliff.

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2009 12:34 AM


Yep.

Gonna need to start drafting O-linebeasts...

Posted by: edvar | April 5, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of sorry arse fans posting on here. Every team has a FO that makes bad decisions; every team has coaches that make bad calls; every team has players that make mistakes or under perform.

So called fans that post here on RI need to get a life. Football is entertainment; reading the posts of most fans who posted during the Cutler rumors was laughable. Most of you have no clue what talent is, much less posting about what the Skins FO should do or not do.

Though I am sure the Washington Post is ecstatic that that the Skins have you as fans for all of the hits you give to this place. Most of you are pathetic.

Now don't disappoint me and attack what I have posted on here. Especially Cork and Peri; Stop being a bunch of JLC supporters and support the team you claim to be fanatics for.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 5, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

"support the team you claim to be fanatics for"

What a delightful sentiment, Skins930! You are obviously here to teach us in the ways of the Real Fan. Please go on!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Exactly what did Collins do to deserve being bumped from the #2 QB? Last time he took the field in meaningful games, he led the team on a 4 game win streak and to the playoffs. Collins is a guy who can win tough games.

I know the offense is different, but I have plenty of confidence in Collins. Yet Danny and Vinny seem willing to toss him. Mgmt has no respect proven quality role players. Its a bad thing.

I like Leftwich, and he sure did a number on us last season. Still, Collins put a firm stamp on the backup role. Lots of other teams would get a ton of benefit from having Leftwich (Pittsburgh did). Not us.

My hunch is there is a more to this. Leftwich is here as the (interim) QB to replace Campbell if 2009 doesn't go well. Its another slap at Campbell and Zorn.

Bottom line, Leftwich doesn't solve a problem for this team. We're solid at backup QB. Why are Vinny and Danny spending so much time on things that aren't problems?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2009 5:37 AM | Report abuse

Though I am sure the Washington Post is ecstatic that that the Skins have you as fans for all of the hits you give to this place. Most of you are pathetic.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 5, 2009 1:05 AM

Look, I agree most of us are pathetic. How about just naming the few of us who aren't pathetic? You can start with me. And if you need help, I have a few others in mind who are probably not pathetic posters, although if you met them in person it might be a different story.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 6:30 AM | Report abuse

"Exactly what did Collins do to deserve being bumped from the #2 QB? Last time he took the field in meaningful games, he led the team on a 4 game win streak and to the playoffs. Collins is a guy who can win tough games."

1) he turns 38 in November.
2) he rolls his eyes when Zorn demonstrates those stupid QB drills he loves -- you know, making people throw from a semi-squat position, that sort of stuff.
3) The Skins should never have signed the guy if they were planning on hiring a West Coaster like Zorn. Oh wait -- they don't plan things, they just do them.
4) he turns 38 in November.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

"Bringing in Leftwich makes sense...He's a local (H.D. Woodson H.S.)..."

Then why don't we bring in the guy who graduates from Woodson this year? He's fresh and all.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"1) M. Stafford QB
2)J. Smith T
3) E. Monroe T
4) A. Curry LB
5) BJ. Rali DT
6) A. Smith T
7) D. Heyward Bey WR
8) J. Macklin WR
9) M. Oher T
10) M. Sanchez QB
11. Buffalo
12. Denver
13. Washington
Assuming Mayock's prediction is pretty accurate,"

That would be a pretty stupendous 'if', kemo sabe. I mean:
a) Didn't Raji have a positive drug screen at the combine?
b) Didn't Andre Smith have two of the stinkiest pro tryouts in recent memory?
c) Doesn't Darius Bey have a little problem with the dropsies?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

MY DRAFT picks AT THIS TIME.

1 - MICHAEL OHER OT MISSISSIPPI 6'5" 315

3 - MARCUS FREEMAN LB OHIO STATE 6'0+" 249

5 - CORNELIUS LEWIS OG TENNESSEE TECH 6'4" 330

6 - GREG TOLER CB ST. PAULS 5'11" 191

7 - VINNIE, let the intern pick another OLB.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 5, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I think if the Skins draft the following all this FO hatin' jibba jabba will cease:

T/G
OLB
C
LB or CB

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I think if the Skins draft the following all this FO hatin' jibba jabba will cease:

T/G
OLB
C
LB or CB

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2009 8:53 AM

Yeah, right. It will only cease if all four picks start sixteen games. Otherwise, the draft is a bust and Vinnie and Dan are the dumbest ever.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Redskins are also looking at VT QB Sean Glennon.. how about we look for help at lineback and O-line?!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 5, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me if the Skins have a draft-day trade worked out to trade Jason Campbell, assuming that they can get Sanchez with their #13 pick.

Bringing Leftwich in would make sense for that reason...

Posted by: isnadd | April 5, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell Is “Pissed”
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2009, 8:01 a.m.
Though he’s saying all the right things publicly, Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell isn’t happy that the team for which he plays pursued former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.

Per one source close to Campbell, the 2005 first-round pick is “pissed” about the situation.

But apparently not pissed in a way that will prompt Campbell to whine and cry for a trade of his own. As we hear it, Campbell is using the situation as motivation to make himself into a better quarterback.

If the goal is to perform as well or better than Cutler does in Chicago, Campbell actually might not have very far to go. Last year, Campbell’s passer rating was 84.3. Cutler’s was 86.0.

The difference between the two arises from the yardage and touchdowns. Cutler had 4,526 and 25, respectively; Campbell had 3,245 and 13

That said, Cutler threw 18 interceptions to Campbell’s six.

The real difference could arise from the fact that the Redskins have a much better running game, fueled by former Bronco Clinton Portis, and by the fact that the Broncos don’t have much of a defense, which forces them to throw more often.

Then there’s the fact that Campbell was learning a new offense, and Cutler wasn’t.

So maybe Campbell can close the gap on Cutler, who now finds himself learning a new offense on a team with a better running game, a better defense, and a coordinator less inclined to have the quarterback fling the ball all over the place.

Posted by: will_ga | April 5, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

'... the Skins may get a chance to walk in Matt Millen's shoes on draft day...'


Matt Millen's mistakes were with the people he selected, not the idea that prompted the selections.

Yes, the redskins drafted wideouts last year, but if a player like Percy Harvin is availiable when the 13th pick comes along, the skins would do well to take him.

The Florida Gators won the national championship game by feeding him the ball from multiple spots on the field and he delivered like, well, FEDEX.

On his pro day, he showed he could run passing routes and catch from 3 different spots in an offensive set.

He can return punts, play slot receiver, play receiver, play out of the backfield, return kicks, play 'wildcat' having been a high school quaterback, and is a local kid.

Harvin would be the redksins' Westbrook/Hester/Cribbs/Slaton/Sproles/F. Jones: all speed guys that challenge defenses to make choices about who it wants to cover.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Redskins are also looking at VT QB Sean Glennon.. how about we look for help at lineback and O-line?!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 5, 2009 9:12 AM

Do you think it's possible that they can look at a QB and at linemen and linebackers at the same time?

There's lots to criticize the front office for, but looking at QB's? QB is probably the toughest position on the team to get right, and I don't think that anyone is convinced that they've got it right yet.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It would not surprise me if the Skins have a draft-day trade worked out to trade Jason Campbell, assuming that they can get Sanchez with their #13 pick.

Bringing Leftwich in would make sense for that reason...

Posted by: isnadd | April 5, 2009 9:22 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if they traded Jason Campbell, made Leftwich the starter, and used the 13th pick for a linebacker.

Now that I think about it, after the Cutler shabingus I don't think there's anything that the front office can do that would surprise me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell Is “Pissed”
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2009, 8:01 a.m.
Though he’s saying all the right things publicly, Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell isn’t happy that the team for which he plays pursued former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler.

======================================================

Well, duh.

Coming next from Mike Florio:

"Kyle Orton is Pissed."

"Even though he isn't saying so publicly, he is planning to play better than Jay Cutler and show the Bears...blah, blah, blah."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

If Campbell is traded the Skins will not get anything more than a 3rd rd pick. Collins tested the FA market last year and then resigned with the Skins. Does not look like the other 31 teams want either of those Skins QB.

But like TE, how can anyone be surprised by any move this FO makes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate.

Congrats to learnedhand.

Ohhhh if only VCU or Utah St. had made their final shot.....the glory would be mine.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe I agree with you to an extent. I would prfer aplayer like Robert Ayers being drafted at #13. However it would not srprise meif a player like Maclin, Harvin, or Crabtree were taken, and not just because the FO is suspect. Let's face, Snyder's priority is a more explosive, high scoring offense (see Cutler). That fetish almost cost the skins two first rounders and a starting player. If any skilled player is available thereand is the BPA you can believeit that will be the pick.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I for one sure am glad the Skins 1st rounder wasn't traded, cause it would of made for a super boring draft watching all the other teams make moves. Still holding out hope that one of the top OT slides down, but if they don't, I'd much rather see the Skins trade down if possible, take a Britton and pick up a 2nd rounder and use it on a DE or OLB. But of course, all that probably won't even happen. They'll probably trade their whole future to get Sanchez. lol

Posted by: ga8085 | April 5, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Most of you have no clue what talent is, much less posting about what the Skins FO should do or not do.

Posted by: Skins930 | April 5, 2009 1:05 AM

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Talent and discipline are not to be confused.

A less talented person often goes further than his/her more talented counterpart. There are countless examples of the bust phenomenon in the NFL draft.

Not all that shines is gold.

The Redskins would be better off accumulating a group of crazy workaholics later in the draft; assembling a team that wins, based on this principle.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 5, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What did the FO learn after the almost trade?

Let's see: Jason Campbell isn't coveted by many teams. They all see the slow wind-up and release and equally slow decision making. He is not going to bring a high draft pick in a trade. He has loads of class and handles media interviews well.

I would prefer a QB that is coveted by other teams (means he is a good player.) Makes a read and has a quick release to deliver the ball.
If we had to trade would bring an exceptionally high draft pick. Minnesota needs a QB as do other teams, if JC was all that, they'd be clamoring to get him. Especially now that the Skins have made it clear he's available.
Is a bit more surly after losses, and more ecstatic after wins during interviews. Less robotic.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 5, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan it couls also mean that other teams knew that the skins HAD to move Campbell. Unlike our FO most FO would play hardball and get a talented playere on the cheap.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Lots of folks complain about Campbell's slow release. I am no expert on the subject, but you would think that this is something that can be measured and compared across QBs. Wish there was some data out there from combines and what not.

Posted by: swowra | April 5, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

lsskinsfan it couls also mean that other teams knew that the skins HAD to move Campbell. Unlike our FO most FO would play hardball and get a talented playere on the cheap.

Posted by: TWISI ****

Point taken. I didn't know however they HAD to move him???

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Lots of folks complain about Campbell's slow release. I am no expert on the subject, but you would think that this is something that can be measured and compared across QBs. Wish there was some data out there from combines and what not.


Posted by: swowra ***

Maybe it's one of those things, You just know it when you see it.? Last year I was watching a Jet's game and the announcers were timing the release from Favre. It was under 2 seconds for every throw they timed.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 5, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of sorry arse fans posting on here. Every team has a FO that makes bad decisions; every team has coaches that make bad calls; every team has players that make mistakes or under perform.

Now don't disappoint me and attack what I have posted on here. Especially Cork and Peri; Stop being a bunch of JLC supporters and support the team you claim to be fanatics for.

Posted by: Skins930

I'm gonna take the high road here, because I'm the new, Kinder, gentler, Cork. The one who doesn't drown kittens or torture the naive.

But the shortcoming in your argument "that every front office makes bad decisions" isn't that it's false. It isn't. But it's in the numbers. While your generalization is true, specifically the NY Giants FO and the NE Patriots FO, to name two, make far fewer mistakes than the Redskins FO. Therein lies the rub.

Long time fans know that the FO under the Squire, the one headed by Bobby B. was among the elite. It has spoiled Redskin fans like us. Having followed the team then, it makes the gaffs and shortcomings of the current one all the more obvious.

But your argument that I support JLC over the redskins is insupportable. The ineptness of the redskins FO is not related to the reporting of it.

I have an idea. Try fixing the front office. THEN if the reporters are critical, I'll be on your side.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The aim of the FO with the Cutler courtship and now the Leftwich tryout is to send Campbell a message. And the meeting he had with the FO would have been a followup to make sure there was an acknowledgement that the message was received. Of course the message could have been delivered by Zorn in a one-on-one meeting with Campbell without any need for all the dramaturgy. But Zorn is too close to Campbell on a daily basis (one reason why the QB coach shouldn't also be the HC) to be able to deliver the kind of message he needs to hear.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The aim of the FO with the Cutler courtship and now the Leftwich tryout is to send Campbell a message.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 12:09 PM

Just to pick nits on a slow Sunday, I would say that it wasn't the aim but a side effect. In the first instance the aim was to get a new QB. In the second it was to get a better backup QB, one who would have the potential to be a starter this year -- and beyond.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok fellow skins fans.....


I RECANT! I am manning up! In light of how JC had handled this whole thing this week and what we have been told has transpired.....

I have tons of repsect for JC and the way he has handled the situation. I admit as many know, I was all for getting Cutler but now I am glad it didn't happen...I am fully behind Campbell and i hope he can step up and take us to the promise land.

i still think he has to improve in certain areas...That has not changed...But I am very impressed with his maturity and his attitude. I hope he takes us!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 4, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back to the fold, leevi. We are a forgiving bunch...

On a separate note, I will give $20 to anyone who can dig up a Florio article/column about the Redskins that is worthy of being more than a booger-rag...

Posted by: p1funk | April 5, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is pissed?

He's allowed to be.

But hey, somebody get him a dictionary and let him look up the word dysfunctional.

And when the Redskins' front office appears as the definition, his anger will go away.

Let him think, "Cha-Ching" next season and let the thought of a big contract affect his work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

'..Lots of folks complain about Campbell's slow release..'


Leftwich also has a 'slow-elongated' release, but he makes quick decisions and has excellent touch on the deep ball.

And guess what?: like Campbell he had issues with the short passing game aspects of the WCO.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna take the high road here, because I'm the new, Kinder, gentler, Cork. The one who doesn't drown kittens or torture the naive.
Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I miss the old Cork now.

Any combination of Collins, Leftwitch, Colt and JC17 seems like a good amount of depth at the QB spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm wrong but I thought if we released Collins it would have a 3mill cap hit?

Posted by: will_ga | April 5, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Will, I am no expert, but I think Todd's cap number is 1.6 M for this year. Not sure if there is a release penalty.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 5, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea. Try fixing the front office. THEN if the reporters are critical, I'll be on your side.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 12:07 PM


Just win baby...all sins will be forgiven with a Lombardi trophy.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 5, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 5, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 5, 2009 3:07 PM

What was the question?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd take the Chiefs Tyler Thigpen over Leftwich. See if the Chiefs will take next year's 4th round pick for the guy. He is young and mobile and probably a better fit for Zorn's west coast then Campbell will ever be.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

The Todd Collins Contract
According to sources, here's the breakdown on the deal TC just signed.

It is indeed 3 years, worth a max of $9 million, with a $3 million signing bonus (but there's a cap-saving quirk as well).

In essence, he'll get $4 million guaranteed - the $3 million signing bonus, a $100,000 workout bonus due this spring, and his $900,000 salary for 2008 (assuming he does not get hurt in the offseason somehow).

In 2009 he has another $100,000 workout bonus and a base of $1.9 million

In 2010 he has another $100,000 workout bonus and a base of $2.9 miullion (again, base salaries in the NFL are not guaranteed).

However, instead of his 2008 cap hit being $2 million ($1 million proration of the signing bonus + $100,000 bonus + salary), it's actually $1.5. How you might ask?

Sources said the deal is actually for six years, but the final three years are set up as such so they will void automatically (much like Mark Brunell's last deal voided after 2007). But for cap purposes the $3 million signing bonus is spread over 6 years rather than 3 - hence $1.5 million cap hit rather than $2 million.

By Jason La Canfora | February 29, 2008; 4:00 PM ET


It looks to me like the cap cost of releasing him is $2 million -- accelerating the last four years of the $3 million signing bonus.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"At some point you've got to see what the kid can do. Seriously. The Packers took a leap of faith with Rogers and it paid off. Other cases were disastrous. Remember Sage Rosenfels?messykat"

What was disastrous about Sage Rosenfels? The Skins took him in the middle rounds, then a year later he went to Miami. There and in Houston he's shown himself to be a reasonably competent backup.

About those ESPN QB predictors: Aaron Rodgers hasn't exactly 'worked out' yet. The Green Bay media would happily have dumped him for Cutler. Let's just say he hasn't exactly been a failure, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"'d take the Chiefs Tyler Thigpen over Leftwich. See if the Chiefs will take next year's 4th round pick for the guy. He is young and mobile and probably a better fit for Zorn's west coast then Campbell will ever be.Posted by: coparker5"

Now this I don't see at all. Thigpen turned out better than people expected, but what's the basis for thinking he's a better fit for the Skins than Leftwich?

Not that either is a terrific fit...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe it's one of those things, You just know it when you see it.? Last year I was watching a Jet's game and the announcers were timing the release from Favre. It was under 2 seconds for every throw they timed.Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Sure, but remember, he was usually throwing to the wrong receiver. That speeds things up a lot.

But seriously, folks, Jason Campbell doesn't have an unusually slow release. He's a classic overhand thrower with a little bit of a windup. Nothing fatal to his career.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how B Leftwich, with his huge wind up and slow delivery, is the guy we should be talking to if we are looking for a back-up. Shouldn't we be talking to a true west-coast quick,accurate delivery kind of guy?

Everyone - well, most people, complain about Campbell's wind-up. It's nothing compared to Lefty. I know Byron has got good experience, but is he the right guy?

What do you think?

Posted by: edvar | April 5, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think the powers that be that want LEFTWICH don't think. That's what I think.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 5, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think...uh I'll get back to you. I forgot. But I think I think I want to draft another WR in the first round. Maybe a kicker if he's the best player available.

Signed,

The Boys, Danny and Vinny

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 5, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey!
Chia's back.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Sure, but remember, he was usually throwing to the wrong receiver. That speeds things up a lot.

But seriously, folks, Jason Campbell doesn't have an unusually slow release. He's a classic overhand thrower with a little bit of a windup. Nothing fatal to his career.

Posted by: Samson151 ***

The game I saw, Favre was actually throwing to his guys, but I didn't watch the whole thing.

The slow delivery is one thing, the reading of the D another. Coupled together equals SLOW.

The problems with JC wouldn't be so difficult to overcome if the FO was busy building the team from the lines out for the past few years instead of vice-a-versa.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 5, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Zactly. RE:

[1] Samson151: "But seriously, folks, Jason Campbell doesn't have an unusually slow release. He's a classic overhand thrower with a little bit of a windup. Nothing fatal to his career."

and

[2] lsskinsfan: "The problems with JC wouldn't be so difficult to overcome if the FO was busy building the team from the lines out for the past few years instead of vice-a-versa."

... I couldn't agree more... give him a rock solid to great O-line, i.e. 1-3 more seconds, and JC (and CP) (and the WR's) will suddenly look like they're among the best ever at their positions and all this nitpicking will be moot (S'moot?). Not to mention the fact that the front 7's of the Giants, Steelers, Ravens absolutely require that we do this.

Build from the lines out, build from the lines out, build from the lines out... Let's get one of those top 5 or 6 OT's in the draft, then work on getting a very good C/G, preferably one of those top 2 (Mack or Unger).

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 5, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more... give him a rock solid to great O-line, i.e. 1-3 more seconds, and JC (and CP) (and the WR's) will suddenly look like they're among the best ever at their positions ****

My bigger point with the previous post was/is, since the FO doesn't build this way (from the lines-out), the Skins require a much faster Qwith their reads and delivery.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 5, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I have an idea. Try fixing the front office. THEN if the reporters are critical, I'll be on your side.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 12:07 PM


Just win baby...all sins will be forgiven with a Lombardi trophy.

--Rickyroge

True. But to do that, first they have to fix the Front office.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the last seven minutes of th win against the Iggles last October on NFL TV.

healthy line, healthy Portis.

They have coaches comment inbetwen plays.

Said Jim Johnson, Eagles def coord., and generally considered one of the great defensive minds in the nFL:

"Campbell is one of the best quarterbacks in the league."

Funny thing. With a healthy line, fair receivers, and a healthy RB, he was. Without those elements, he was not.

How soon we forget.

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"he slow delivery is one thing, the reading of the D another. Coupled together equals SLOW."

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Far as I can see, nobody had proved either that
1) Campbell's release is adversely affecting his performance, or
2) he's slow reading defenses.

Why not start there? Remember, you can't make assertions without supporting evidence, unless of course you're Periculum.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Is Buges still with the team?

Posted by: CheyenneWY | April 5, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey!
Chia's back.

Near as I can figure, it must mean that his peeps moved the computer back into the kitchen area, where Chia can trot over from the window ledge by the sink without anyone noticing.

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

That is an interesting comment from J. Johnson. If that guy, who knows far more about football than any of us, then I'd say JC is legit. At least legit enough, given the supporting cast that any good QB needs, to succeed. Draft Andre Smith and tell Devin Thomas he's not in junior college anymore.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 5, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

For those of you on the Cato June bus, he's joining John D in Houston.

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Draft Andre Smith and tell Devin Thomas he's not in junior college anymore.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 5, 2009 6:59 PM

How about a Plan B? Andre Smith's not going to be there at 13. And do you think they neglected to tell this to Devin Thomas?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Campbell's decision making and timing were occasionally off, because it was the Skins first year in a new offensive scheme [that takes three years to master*] and most of his starting offensive line was injured**; while playing against some of the best defenses in the NFL***

* According to coach Zorn and Seahawks QB Matt Hasselbeck.

** LT Chris Samuels (IR 12/9 -- torn triceps/knee), RT Stephon Heyer (out weeks 4-6 -- sprained shoulder), LG Pete Kendall (chronic knee injury), RG Randy Thomas (neck surgey after season -- knee, neck), RT Jon Jansen (out weeks 16 and 17 -- knee), and C/G Justin Geisinger (IR 12/9 -- knee)

*** 10 out of 16 games against top 15 defenses: Steelers(1), Ravens(2), 2 x Eagles(3), 2 x Giants(5), 2 x Cowboys (8), Bengals (12), and the 49ers (13).

Posted by: siris | April 5, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is the answer.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 5, 2009 3:07 PM

What was the question?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

the question is....Who is the 3rd string QB of the Redskins?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

But seriously, folks, Jason Campbell doesn't have an unusually slow release. He's a classic overhand thrower with a little bit of a windup. Nothing fatal to his career.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 4:25 PM |

Watch Peyton Manning throw the ball. He holds the ball and in one short forward motion gets it airborne. With Cambell, he has to bring it back, stop it, and then bring it forward and release it. Campbell loses 1.7 seconds on average with this additional motion. This plus the difficulty he has in picking out the appropriate target makes the Skins passing game subpar.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Said Jim Johnson, Eagles def coord., and generally considered one of the great defensive minds in the nFL:

"Campbell is one of the best quarterbacks in the league."

Translation: "I hope he is the Skins QB of the future so we can kick their butts twice a year. Heh, heh."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"With Cambell, he has to bring it back, stop it, and then bring it forward and release it. Campbell loses 1.7 seconds on average with this additional motion."
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 7:41 PM

Can you prove this? I lost 4.4 seconds reading that nonsense.

"Translation: "I hope he is the Skins QB of the future so we can kick their butts twice a year. Heh, heh."
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 7:48 PM

He definitely didn't say that because Jason and the team beat them for the second time that season.
/sarcasm

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 5, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

antonchigurh: "Watch Peyton Manning throw the ball. He holds the ball and in one short forward motion gets it airborne. With Cambell, he has to bring it back, stop it, and then bring it forward and release it. Campbell loses 1.7 seconds on average with this additional motion. This plus the difficulty he has in picking out the appropriate target makes the Skins passing game subpar."

Two problems. First, we're comparing Campbell to the league's best QB, not the league's QBs as a whole. Second, we haven't established any correlation between his throwing motion and adverse consequences on his performance. For instance, his stats fall right in with the pack of playoff QBs last season, with three exceptions: TD passes, sacks, and INTs. He was lower than pack in the first two categories and markedly superior in the third.

So couldn't it just be hesitation? In other words, it isn't that he's slow releasing the ball, or that he can't read the defense, but maybe that he's just conservative and looking to avoid mistakes?

Which isn't such a bad quality in a QB. Except to fanz, who tend to prefer gunslingers even if they lose games for them.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about that how many milliseconds his release is, but I do think that Mike Vrabel knows exactly where he holds the ball prerelease, and that's not good.

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

With Cambell, he has to bring it back, stop it, and then bring it forward and release it.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 7:41 PM

The motion is a little more involved than that. First he brings it forward and pats it two or three times with his left hand. Then he takes it back a second time. Then he brings it forward and releases it. Or holds onto it and runs for 20 yards which I always thought was a good thing.

During the whole motion, they have time to run a Chevrolet commercial. Like a rock!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sign BLeftwich.

Make Zorn adapt his offense to JC17 and BLeft....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell = Wife
Jay Cutler = Mistress
Byron Leftwich = Old flame
Colt Brennan = Babysitter

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Campbell loses 1.7 seconds on average with this additional motion. This plus the difficulty he has in picking out the appropriate target makes the Skins passing game subpar.

Posted by: AntonChigurh

1.7 seconds? Come on Anton, you're talking shti here. If you don't like the kid, you don't like him, I'm not going to try to change your mind. But don't point to some nonsense you just made up to justify your position.

Posted by: mack1 | April 5, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The winner of the RI NCAA Tourney Challenge is.... ME.

Thank you all for playing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 4, 2009 11:56 PM

Congrats from last place.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Campbell takes the snap from center, drops back three steps and cradles the ball for a millisecond, then with one swift motion releases a dart in the direction of Santana Moss. Moss, still in single coverage, gives the DB a head fake, curls inside and takes the pass from Campbell in full stride and turns up field. As the supporting safety approaches, Moss waits until he gets closer and then abruptly changes direction and leaves him in the dust. He scores on a 69 yard TD pass and the Skins go up 26-17 against the Cowboys with under a minute to play.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If there is a strategic plan in place (giving Vinny some credit) my guess its to continue to dangle JC as trade bait in the event (and its most likely) that another team's starting QB goes down to injury in preseason or prior to the mid October trading deadline. Vinnyder got a dose of reality this week finding out JC will only get a 2nd or 3rd straight up. But, a team with a starting QB out for the season (ala Tom Brady last year) will more likely part with a 2010 first rounder for JC if they have lost their starter and their backup is questionable or the Skins package a 2nd or 3rd rounder with JC in the transaction (more likely).

With no other Cutler type options out there...a smart GM stuck with Campbell and knowing that a once in a decade (2 decades actually -Marino, Elway, Kelly, Eason all 1983) Draft lineup of potential franchise QB's is upon us in 2010, would decide to make 2009 the "poison pill" year to borrow a biz phrase. My guess this is why no Contract extension for JC. (past performance notwithstanding).

That first rounder could become a Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jevan Snead or McCoy... all in the top 10 picks !! If the Redskins have 2 First round picks, but only mid to late... They could probably still move up the Draft to where these QB's are, with a package deal. Or, if the Skins have a really dissapointing year, no need to move up, we're already there...(win-win..)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

nice dream.. wake up..
If the first WR is not open, JC cant make it to the second progression. And dumps it off short or incomplete. "Short" is always open.. remember how many passes were BEFORE the first down marker!! If its 3rd and seven a high school QB can make a 4 yard pass. DB's will give you that all day..
Its also why JC passed for 2000 YARDS LESS THAN CUTLER! That was almost half the production compared to Cutler for a complete year. No wonder Vinny and Danny couldnt get a 2nd round pick for him last Wednesday.
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Campbell takes the snap from center, drops back three steps and cradles the ball for a millisecond, then with one swift motion releases a dart in the direction of Santana Moss. Moss, still in single coverage, gives the DB a head fake, curls inside and takes the pass from Campbell in full stride and turns up field. As the supporting safety approaches, Moss waits until he gets closer and then abruptly changes direction and leaves him in the dust. He scores on a 69 yard TD pass and the Skins go up 26-17 against the Cowboys with under a minute to play.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 5, 2009 9:29 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"Campbell loses 1.7 seconds on average with this additional motion."

Posted by: AntonChigurh

The same guy that attributed the offensive line woes to Campbell's apparent inability against the blitz (60.3% completion, 6.76 YPA, 8 TDs, 2 INTs, 90.5 rating) by stating that a majority of the sacks came from blitzes (14 sacks from blitzes vs. 24 sacks from non-blitzes) now apparently has the inside knowledge that Campbell "loses 1.7 seconds on average" due to his throwing motion. Shocker.

Posted by: psps23 | April 5, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Jevan Snead has two years left I believe. If I'm him, next year is NOT the year to come out early!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 5, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

To The Folks Who Watched the Replay Game:

Didn't it seem like what a healthy Redskins' offense missed was an explosive, speed option to go with Moss/Cooley?

The best formations seemed to be with Moss wide, Cooley in slot--but there wasn't a presence on the other side of the field to occupy anyone.

Maybe a player who can do that should be the 13th pick.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

'....That first rounder could become a Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jevan Snead or McCoy...'


This is the post of a man who thinks like Moe.

Forgot Colt, there is going to be aome good draft choices, plus NFL ready guys like Brady Quinn ready to jump in where they can fit in in a skins' jersey.

Let's let Campbell earn his money. If he doesn't, plan B might be Sam Brdaford.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

How about a Plan B? Andre Smith's not going to be there at 13. And do you think they neglected to tell this to Devin Thomas?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 7:13 PM

We still don't have a real NFL-calibre receivers coach, and that's hindering our chances of seeing any real development in those younger receivers.

Posted by: Carl739 | April 5, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

skinsneeda:"That first rounder could become a Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jevan Snead or McCoy... all in the top 10 picks !! "

I hope I'm not busting any bubbles here, but is that such a terrific group? Deep, sure, like the OTs this year. But is there one truly outstanding prospect in the bunch?

Please don't say Tebow.

I suspected the reason Pete Carroll went off on Sanchez for coming out this year is because he suspected he'd be the key to a national championship run next season...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Pitching coaches do that -- mistake simple hesitation and lack of confidence for mechanical problems. That's how they mess up so many young pitchers. "You don't throw it as fast as Roger Clemens," they tell the kid. "Yet you are also 6'5" and built like an SUV. THerefore, there must be something off about your motion." And in an effort to get a fastball from 92 to 95, wind up completely bollixing up the kid's career.

You want to see a real improvement in the Skins' passing stats? Get the QB a Plax Burress or an Antonio Gates to throw to inside the 20.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

(sorry if this is old news here, I just saw it today after a weekend vacation)

What does Fred Smoot think a good GM would do? Fred said he wants to be a GM, and he would collect "fat boys". Not a franchise QB. Not CBs, like himself. Fat boys. According to Smoot:

"Fat boys wins my game. I know football, and in December, in the playoffs, fat boys win. Whoever's got the best fat boys is gonna win, so I'm gonna collect fat boys. I can find Fred Smoots -- not a dime a dozen, but I can find cornerbacks that can make plays. I can find that. I can't find a big boy that can push this line for four quarters."

Maybe Snyderatto will listen to him, and put some effort into getting a decent O-line (I give credit for the Hayneworth deal, great pickup!)?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks but, we had a fat boy named Stephon Heyer that single handedly lost the last playoff game the Skins played in. He was the Fat Boy Matador to the rushing Patrick Kearney who broke the sack record for playoffs. Collins had a better chance of handing off to Kearney than he did to Portis. It was pathetic. Being fat on the O line or D line doesnt make you good...

Actually a few less Smoots, who cant tackle in the open field, would help the team more...
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(sorry if this is old news here, I just saw it today after a weekend vacation)

What does Fred Smoot think a good GM would do? Fred said he wants to be a GM, and he would collect "fat boys". Not a franchise QB. Not CBs, like himself. Fat boys. According to Smoot:

"Fat boys wins my game. I know football, and in December, in the playoffs, fat boys win. Whoever's got the best fat boys is gonna win, so I'm gonna collect fat boys. I can find Fred Smoots -- not a dime a dozen, but I can find cornerbacks that can make plays. I can find that. I can't find a big boy that can push this line for four quarters."

Maybe Snyderatto will listen to him, and put some effort into getting a decent O-line (I give credit for the Hayneworth deal, great pickup!)?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 5, 2009 11:32 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, Smoot did qualify his statement with "Whoever's got the best fat boys is gonna win..."

Obviously, Heyer is not one of the best fat boys although he is solid for an undrafted free agent. I think someone with the pedigree of moobs himself, Andre Smith, is what Smoot has in mind. Moobs is fat, but he's also one of the best.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 6, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"Said Jim Johnson, Eagles def coord., and generally considered one of the great defensive minds in the nFL: "Campbell is one of the best quarterbacks in the league."Translation: "I hope he is the Skins QB of the future so we can kick their butts twice a year. Heh, heh."Posted by: AntonChigurh |

That's his strategy? Didn't work too well last year, did it?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2009 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Fred Smoot's favorite movie is 'Disorderlies'

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 6, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

"The motion is a little more involved than that. First he brings it forward and pats it two or three times with his left hand. Then he takes it back a second time. Then he brings it forward and releases it. Or holds onto it and runs for 20 yards which I always thought was a good thing.During the whole motion, they have time to run a Chevrolet commercial. Like a rock!Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Ahd you're saying what? THis accounts for the sack total?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/04/05/trade/index.html

It's now established that McDaniels wanted Orton more than Campbell; this isn't saying that Campbell is worse, just that he fits a WC-like attack in Denver worse than Orton in McDaniels' estimation (who knows a thing or two about QBs in grooming Brady and Cassel)

Posted by: hailbg | April 6, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

"t's now established that McDaniels wanted Orton more than Campbell; this isn't saying that Campbell is worse, just that he fits a WC-like attack in Denver worse than Orton in McDaniels' estimation (who knows a thing or two about QBs in grooming Brady and Cassel)


McDaniels has had a rocky start in Denver, hasn't he?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

so the campbell thing is still being beated to dust....nice, I like it..watched the Skinz/Iggles game yesterday, while we're on the subject of beating dead horses, DT caught 2 passes that game, not sure why that didn't get repeated for every game the rest of the year. Oh well....Flound how'd the kids do on the field this weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Which teams that aren't west coast offenses are needing QB's across the league?
You would think they'd be lighting up the phone lines to Redskins park trying to get Jason Campbell wouldn't you? Since so many think he's great, even the D co-ordinator from Philly.
What if he's as good as he'll ever be?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 6, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

this isn't saying that Campbell is worse, just that he fits a WC-like attack in Denver worse than Orton in McDaniels' estimation (who knows a thing or two about QBs in grooming Brady and Cassel)

Posted by: hailbg

Coaches don't call out other teams players and say negative things about them too often. I can't recall any calling out another team's QB. Of course my memory isn't the best.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 6, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

so the campbell thing is still being beated to dust....nice, I like it..watched the Skinz/Iggles game yesterday, while we're on the subject of beating dead horses, DT caught 2 passes that game, not sure why that didn't get repeated for every game the rest of the year. Oh well....Flound how'd the kids do on the field this weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 8:16 AM |

We took both games in a double header, 12-0 and 7-6.

We played some girls out of position in the 2nd game just to see how they would do.

We have are 1st tournament at the end of the month, so now we have two weeks to get them ready.

It's funny the hardest thinbg to teach these girls is how to track and catch fly balls. I always found that easy when I was a kid.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 6, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Draft Andre Smith and tell Devin Thomas he's not in junior college anymore.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 5, 2009 6:59 PM

How about a Plan B? Andre Smith's not going to be there at 13. And do you think they neglected to tell this to Devin Thomas?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 5, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

it would appear so, yes. I blame it all on Zorny for not informing him of this. And with the ham and egg operation that is our FO, can you blame Devin for not knowing this on his own?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 6, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

oh


my


god


Thank god I'm a BRAVES fan


THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL PUNKS


FACE IT, THE BRAVES ARE BACK


Who else has a perfect freaking record in the majors? NO ONE that's who!


JORDAN SCHAFFER FOR ROY

CHIPPER FOR MVP

BRAVES FOR WORLD SERIES


FACE IT LOSERS!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 6, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

p.s. TE, I'm not so sure that Smith won't be there at 13.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 6, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

""Fat boys wins my game. I know football, and in December, in the playoffs, fat boys win. Whoever's got the best fat boys is gonna win, so I'm gonna collect fat boys. I can find Fred Smoots -- not a dime a dozen, but I can find cornerbacks that can make plays. I can find that. I can't find a big boy that can push this line for four quarters.""


yeah Fred Smoots are really rare....

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 6, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

McShay's latest mock has the Skins taking Robert Ayers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAR9Qb3liRs

This dude keeps on climbing up the board...might be worth it at 13, as long as A. Smith is long gone.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 6, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

flound, good stuff, congrats...catching flies is hard, the judging part, I think is what kids stuggle with. They'll think they're set up, and they're lined up, only its 20 feet beyond where they are...it comes with time....

lmg, I used to think that he would be, but with all the recent stuff, Raji spiking for weed, and cushing for roids, I don't know. I've almost resigned myself to the team picking Robert Ayers.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

maybe Josh McDaniels (new Denver HC) still remembers the 2007 dismantling of the Skins the no-class Pats did when McDaniels was Belichick's Asst coach. 52-7.. I believe Campbell's final yardage total was less than 200 yards against the 2nd and 3rd string Pats defense.
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this isn't saying that Campbell is worse, just that he fits a WC-like attack in Denver worse than Orton in McDaniels' estimation (who knows a thing or two about QBs in grooming Brady and Cassel)

Posted by: hailbg

Coaches don't call out other teams players and say negative things about them too often. I can't recall any calling out another team's QB. Of course my memory isn't the best.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 6, 2009 8:20 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Ayers, if I remember correctly, was like a third round (maybe second?) prospect while football was being played.

After football was played, when he played dressup, he started going up to a first round pick.

I'm not saying dude won't be good or he's a bad player at all, but I just don't trust that crap. I want a guy that was prospected as a first round talent while he was playing football, not while he was playing dressup and people were looking at his wingspan. Football players > athletic freaks. Look at Vernon Gholston.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 6, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

truth, Ayers more than held his own up against Andre Smith, when they went head to head....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"Fat boys wins my game. I know football"


Fat boys won games back in the day before the leaue wanted passing and scoring.

Tell Mr. Smoot to review the super bowl and playoffs and answer why no team with a dominant running game walked away with the title.

Long athletic guys up front with quick feet and shifty slot receivers win games.

Gimme Welker, Boldin, Holmes, Ward, a young Marvin Harrison.

The super bowl featured two teams with three strong wideouts and tight ends that can run.

Fat? No. Athletic. Yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"I want a guy that was prospected as a first round talent while he was playing football, not while he was playing dressup and people were looking at his wingspan."

Who fits that bill at 13? I agree that the combine is vastly overrated though.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 6, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Fred Smoot proves that he is smarter then Vinny in 2 words "Fat Boys"

Posted by: alex35332 | April 6, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

TheTruth11 to be fair the reason Ayers has been moving up is not because of his combine numbers, but what he did during this past college football season. Mayock has said that based on his film work, Ayers was the best DE prospect in this draft. From what I've read, Ayers had very solid games against both Andre Smith and Michael Oher.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

After watching a 2nd game from last year's 6-2 run via NFL Replay, CP26 got 80% of his running yardage to the left. And when he did go right, they were either jumbo on that side or he had to use he speed to get around the corner. Jansen didn't do SJK.

So, again, how did this 'myth' come about that Jansen is a better run blocker than Heyer? I don't see it.

Just imagine that defense with Hayneworth and Daniels. They should be superior if we have a well managed offense. Which means CP, CP, CP.

(Also from the NFLReplay game, Betts SUCKS. Get a RB to replace him with the 3rd rounder and trade ledell for a 4th rounder)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

lol 4th...yeah, lets weaken a strength on the team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - The teams with running games didn't make it to the SB was because their defenses sucked. Not because of their running game.

You got 11 people on 3 different groups of teams (Off/DEF/STs) that all have to excel in order to win.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Betts is kinda beat. We need a burner back there to throw off the opposing D. Betts only gets big gains if the holes are huge. But he will be on our squad this year without doubt.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 6, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

lets weaken a strength on the team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 9:22 AM

How would we do that? I want it to be strengthed? Jansen and ladell was missing blocks then too.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor Jansen got the benefit of the doubt because the skins were on a roll. Jansen really struggled. Hopefully he can give the team something in spot duty. Ledell gives the team the best hands out of the back field, but as a runner, I'm always concerned with his tendency to fumble. I would love to see the skins bring in someone to compete with Ledell.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

4th, betts is hardly the issue. If the carries are split a little more evenly, you accomplish 2 things:

1. Portis isn't worn out by year end.

2. Betts can actually get into a groove, instead of getting 2 carries a game.

Trading Betts for a 4th isn't going to help this team.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The one thing that stands out to me from Peter King this morning was where in the world is Adam Schefter? I haven't seen him in forever & you'd think he would have been out front on this Cutler stuff. Is he holding out for a new contract? Sick? Really long vacation? I'm tired of Mort & john Clayton being the go to guys for news!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 6, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Said Fred Smoot "Fat boys wins my game. I know football, and in December, in the playoffs, fat boys win."

"Thanks but, we had a fat boy named Stephon Heyer that single handedly lost the last playoff game the Skins played in.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

Hence the idea that good "fat boys win", or alternatively inadequate fat boys lose games. I believe you just inadvertently supported Fred Smoot's point.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

4th,

IDK what why you're talking smack about Betts in that Philly game (week 5). He had nine rushes for 44 yards.

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 6, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Has Golston signed his tender?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 6, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

So, again, how did this 'myth' come about that Jansen is a better run blocker than Heyer? I don't see it.
Just imagine that defense with Hayneworth and Daniels. They should be superior if we have a well managed offense. Which means CP, CP, CP.
(Also from the NFLReplay game, Betts SUCKS. Get a RB to replace him with the 3rd rounder and trade ledell for a 4th rounder)
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:16 AM
I’m with you on the Jansen thing….don’t know exactly how it got to be “known” that he’s great for the run and bad for the pass. I think his whole game is shot. Same thing kinda happened up here with Rabach….all of a sudden there are folks saying we need to upgrade at center? Rabach is still good IMO, they need to focus on RT and maybe RG before center. Keep in mind that depth is always good, but we don’t need a replacement for Rabach just because the refs made a couple of crappy calls on him in the Dallas game…..

And I think Betts is still the guy we go to if CP goes down. He certainly doesn’t “suck”…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 6, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey.. when Sammy Baugh Bradford is the Redskins new QB in 2010 after a blockbuster trade of the entire Redskins Offense.... has that season been officially lengthened? What happened to that discussion?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Power Outage Leaves Six Flags Riders Dangling Upside Down for 30 Minutes.
By LITA BECK
Updated 7:47 PM CDT, Sun, Apr 5, 2009

Ha ha...

Not sure if Snyder has any ties to this one but its near Dallas so its funny.

Posted by: will_ga | April 6, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Has Golston signed his tender?

Posted by: matthewvickers | April 6, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think he has "officially" signed his tender yet. He signed a waiver allowing him to workout with the team before signing the tender. If another team signs him, they give up a 2nd round pick to us.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 6, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Forget the stats. Look at it in situational instances.

All of his big runs came behind Sameuls and Kendell. So, wouldn't you contribute that to the OLine, not Betts? Similar to Timmy Smith.

He couldn't do didly poo inside the Red Zone (no rush longer than 1 yard).

And he missed miserably on atleast 2 blocks where JC17 got smacked while he was throwing and sacked on another.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay?game_id=29596&displayPage=tab_play_by_play&season=2008&week=REG5&override=true

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

TheTruth

'...Thank god I'm a BRAVES fan...'


I hope you spend some time asking this 'god' of yours why he made you a BRAVES fan in what is a YANKEE Universe.

What, you guys win one ring in ten years with four good pitchers, and you're thankful?

Win 4 rings five years, and then we have a discussion.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Betts had an off year. Let's not make it out to be bigger than it was. He's still a good receiving threat coming out of the backfield and a very reliable starter should Portis suffer an injury. His production significantly dipped because of the knee injury he suffered mid-season, and he really didn't get back on track until the Baltimore game. That's not a reason to trade a reliable vet like Betts.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Ok, sucks is too hard of a word, but Everybody's #2 RB in the NFC East is better than Ladell, save for the Eagles.

The Giants actually had 2 back ups better than Betts. I would take Ahmad Bradshaw over Ladell in a sec. And not because we share the 1st name, though most Ahmad's in life tend to be great people......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/person.asp?pid=63125
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Power Outage Leaves Six Flags Riders Dangling Upside Down for 30 Minutes.
By LITA BECK
Updated 7:47 PM CDT, Sun, Apr 5, 2009

Ha ha...

Not sure if Snyder has any ties to this one but its near Dallas so its funny.

Posted by: will_ga | April 6, 2009 9:48 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Forget the stats.
All of his big runs came behind Sameuls and Kendell"

4th, you're better than this.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 6, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

PSP - You don't have a problem with his non-blocking skills?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 6, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

'...The teams with running games didn't make it to the SB was because their defenses sucked. Not because of their running game...'

The Vikings, Giants, Ravens, Titans, and Panthers had strong running games and strong defenses, what are you talking about?

Heck, the Vikes ran the ball and stopped the run and pass and didn't even make the playoffs.

The NFL Final Four was composed of 3-wide shotgun formation passing teams who ran to keep things honest, and used the pass to take the game away when they had to.

BTW: That's the lesson Mr. Zorn will teach us all nexxt season--hopefully.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 6, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

F U Vinny
F U Dan

So Dan was the 'prime mover' in the trade. At least according to the WP. It smells like Dan an fits my pre-conveved notions SO I Choose to believe.

JC may not be a good fit for Zorn and Zorn a typical inflexable know it all coach. That in not the real issue because even Ben can win two SB.

The REAL problem with Vinny is that he has a black belt in brown nosing. Having already sold his soul to Dan there is no way I could ever be a force at redskins park for very long.

That is why no coach with a future would take the job. That is why when Gibbs and GW left leaving Vinny in 'charge' so many fans felt doom.

Again Vinny has become and shiftless figure at redskins park. I feel the only way we have to judge is football knowledge is no last years draft. The rest we have seen before.

Posted by: mul123 | April 6, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

4th, you're spoiled by Portis. Betts is an above-average pass-blocker, just not elite like CP. In fact, part of the reason CP was taken out against Baltimore was because Betts was better at recognizing when to stay in and block and when to release (though his actual skills in blocking aren't on the same level). Betts is fine. Sure, I'd love to have a Sproles-like change of pace guy, but not at the cost of a split-second starter like Betts, and this team doesn't hold the assets to spend a draft pick on a luxury like a 3rd RB.

Posted by: psps23 | April 6, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

By the way I am game for the team looking at a replacement to Betts in camp. Not into drafting a back, if we had more picks maybe. But I would look to see if anyone in the league's RB goes down and move Betts for a pick or 2 in the next draft, (not sure what you can get for him though).

Posted by: alex35332 | April 6, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

beebeep

Posted by: alex35332 | April 6, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"It's now established that McDaniels wanted Orton more than Campbell; this isn't saying that Campbell is worse, just that he fits a WC-like attack in Denver worse than Orton in McDaniels' estimation (who knows a thing or two about QBs in grooming Brady and Cassel)Posted by: hailbg"

Well, Brady was pretty much established before McDaniels. He did have that year to end all years when McDaniels was coaching, but I suspect that had more to do with Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Cassel is a great story -- guy who never started game at USC ends up starting and playing well for NFL team -- but there are some glitches in his numbers. The sacks, for one -- 47 in just 15 starts (about 3 a game), with 7 fumbles of which the Pats lost 4. You usually don't hear people saying that NE's line can't pass-block. He's throwing to the same receivers as Brady, so you wonder why he doesn't find them more quickly...

Then there's the question of the trade. The media believe NE could have gotten more for him. I don't know why. QB-wise, he's very comparable to Campbell, and nobody's knocking that door down. I also don't know why McDaniels risked his relationship with Cutler, a much more talented player, by talking about bringing in Cassel.

I guess it all came down to the record. The Pats had a better season than the Skins and the Broncs, so their QBs value goes up, whether or not it deserves to.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how much had to do with McDaniels respect for the QB's instructor..
Cutler with Shanahan
Campbell with Zorn

And of course McDaniels rode with Belichick during the 52-7 massacre of the Skins where Campbell was held to 197 yards total against the Pat's 2nd and 3rd string. You dont forget that too easily. Probably the biggest margin win of McDaniels assistant coaching career.

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relationship with Cutler, a much more talented player, by talking about bringing in Cassel.

I guess it all came down to the record. The Pats had a better season than the Skins and the Broncs, so their QBs value goes up, whether or not it deserves to.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2009 10:58 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How many ways can we piss you off Mr. Campbell? Please have a Pro Bowl season then go where you are REALLY wanted.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 6, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

So is the organization admitting that they overspent for T. Collins?

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 6, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard on 980 the complaints that byron does not fit into the "offense scheme" and that he is not a "good fit"....ummm i thought you were supposed to build your offense around your QB, not the other way around.

Am also wondering what "great" offense would even be dismantled by having Byron start? None that i can think of.

Posted by: Woodbridge45 | April 8, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

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