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Renaldo Wynn in the Broadcast Booth?

Les Carpenter had a very interesting story over the weekend on a program by the NFL Network to prepare current and recently retired players for careers in the broadcast booth. Renaldo Wynn was one of those who attended the session. Here's the link to the story in case you missed it.Click here.

And here's the video report that accompanied the piece:

By Matt Vita  |  June 29, 2009; 11:34 AM ET
 
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Renaldo can do it. Good for him. I just hope no one ever puts Portis in the booth...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and FIRST.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Portis in the booth/ on a show would come off smarter the Emmit Smith.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

beantown--How about if they make Madoff serve his sentence in Guantanamo, with a little waterboarding to learn where he stashed his assets?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 29, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

12teenth.....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg - I see - that's especially what is awful about these types of crimes - the widespread, as you say, multi-generational damage that Madoff did...and trying to make his victims whole is going to be extremly difficult

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 29, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

WaPo,

You all are breaking stride. Stick to the script and continue with the position breakdowns.

Oh, and do a coaches breakdown as well. I want to know; who's coaching these dudes up? what do they see that they like? Who are the sleepers or dark horses to make the team?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 29, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could live in a society that saved its harshest punishments for only the rich and powerful.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Portis in the booth/ on a show would come off smarter the Emmit Smith.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 11:59 AM

So would the following:

Peter Griffin
A G.I. Joe with the Kung-Fu grip
John Mayer while high
Any dead person

The only thing other than Emmitt that has ever made me embarrassed to be black is last night's BET awards...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

What does Baldinger teach - eyeliner application? Because he stinks at the broadcasting part.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

LH, you gotta be kidding me. Baldinger is one of the better analysts on TV. If you're talking about him in the booth, then I can agree with you there. But Baldy does some solid work on NFLN, especially that Playbook show they do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm talking about in the booth. You know you're watching two NFL bottom dwellers when Baldinger is doing the game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

And I am not a fan of a lot of the NFLN crowd either. NFLN seems to have picked up many of the not ready for network dudes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I fell asleep watching the BET Awards, but recorded it since my wife was working.

I am sure you are refering to 'Lil Weezy's foul mouthed mouthed rendeition of his current song (where BET either was late on the bleeps or just bleeped out everything at the end) and Drake having underaged girls with him?

You have to remember, they had to change dang near everything in less then 2 days to rep Mike. It looked like dang near everything was changed....

Lil Wayne does not represent us, neither does his hoodrat ex-wife nor her hoodrat co-star, AKA 'TI's Baby Mama'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Won't argue that, LH. I just look forward to the day when I don't have to suffer through Aikman and Buck for the "marquee" matchups. Now if they put Artie Lange in the booth with Buck, THEN we'd be on to something...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 29, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

NFLN seems to have picked up many of the not ready for network dudes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:33 PM

I don't look at it that way. I see the NFLN peeps as more raw and telling it the way it is instead of having to be more politically correct. They have people who speak their mine (Dion, Sapp, Faulk, and I am finally warming to Dukes) without going over the top like some others I know (Chris Carter, Golic, Schelereth, Dilfer). Oh, how much I hate NFL Live on ESP of N.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I was really enjoying that until that ignorant spewtum about The Reaper came up.

What if Sean Taylor had had a gun? He would have been in jail. He was still on probabtion from his previous gun related charge. He wasn't allowed to have a gun.

I can understand wanting to show a 'controversial' opinion, but could you at least keep it relevant to reality instead of leaving a salacious and erroneous challenge up there?

ahhh, yellow journalism...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

And as i found a segway to talk about the NFLN, I have to say, I want JLaC back to the Post and the Blog. There are nothing but Redskins' Haters now on the show. I watch those NFLN shows like anyone would watch repeat SportsCenters.

You just had to watch Friday's/Saturday's Show to know what I am talking about. Friday's show is proof positive that Snyder did no such thing to recommend him to the NFLN so he can hate on us from a national stage. That just dosen't make sense........

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

What does Baldinger teach - eyeliner application? Because he stinks at the broadcasting part.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse


ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 29, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Lil Wayne does not represent us, neither does his hoodrat ex-wife nor her hoodrat co-star, AKA 'TI's Baby Mama'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What is horrible is that there are kids out there who think he is it, and what they are to strive for. Just. Plain. Sad.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood:
I thought most of the BET awards show was done in good taste except for the Lil Wayne rap/hip hop sequences which I didn't care for. Overall to have completely changed course/theme and put it all toghether in about 72 hours I think they did a dam good job.

As far as Emmitt Smith, so he doesn't have a great command of the English language, but he sure as hell doesn't embarrass himself when he walks into his bank and says, "I'd like to make a deposit/withdrawal."

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could live in a society that saved its harshest punishments for only the rich and powerful.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 12:09 PM


As far as Emmitt Smith, so he doesn't have a great command of the English language, but he sure as hell doesn't embarrass himself when he walks into his bank and says, "I'd like to make a deposit/withdrawal."

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:13 PM |


Yeah, but Emmitt's the type of rich and powerful guy who will receive the harshest punishments in Greg's ideal society.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 29, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

te, how about if we save the harshest punishments for the harshest crimes?

crazy, I know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

What does Baldinger teach - eyeliner application? Because he stinks at the broadcasting part.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 12:17 PM

LMFAO...

Baldinger is str8 trifling. He says the obvious and appears to have little preparation for the game he is covering.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

To know that a segment of Black youth look up to and aspire to be like "Lil Wayne" would make Dr.Martin Luther King Jr roll over in his grave.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Only six and a half weeks til the first pre-season game! Woo-hoo!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

te, how about if we save the harshest punishments for the harshest crimes?

crazy, I know....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 1:35 PM |

I thought that was Greg's point: In his ideal society, being rich and powerful is the harshest crime.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

To know that a segment of Black youth look up to and aspire to be like "Lil Wayne" would make Dr.Martin Luther King Jr roll over in his grave.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:43 PM

'72 - I am sure you are unfamilair with the Boondocks. But, they played that exact scenerio in one of their episodes. Instead of dying, he was in a coma for over 30+ years....

Check it out and let me know what you think........


http://my.spill.com/video/video/show?id=947994%3AVideo%3A112688

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

4th,
That was one of the best episodes of Boondocks.
I miss that series, wish they had made a few more.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Only six and a half weeks til the first pre-season game! Woo-hoo!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 29, 2009 1:45 PM |

Best news all day. Okay, second best after the Madoff sentence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 29, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the youngins try to be like Lil Wayne, they just seem to want to emulate his clothing style.

Plus the ladies like Wayne. Especially the younger ones. Younger dudes try to copy what the famous dudes wear. In my day it was the age of the jersey, mostly becasue we seen Jay rockin a jersey, hell anybody who was anybody in hip-hop or pop culture wore a jersey. When it went to white tees, people wore those all the time.

Lil Wayne is just a trend, a fad, a here today, gone tomorrow dude. He'll wear off, or somebody will attempt to debunk his style.

Jay-Z already fired the first shot. Even Trey Songz has a R. Kelly diss off the DOA beat.

Has anyone heard the Kellz diss? What about R Kelly singing/freestylin'/talkin' over the "Every Girl" beat?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 29, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Here is a good site for football news, in case some of you dont know about it yet.

http://theredzone.org/


I heard Vinny Cerrato one day on Elliot in the Morning and Elliot asked him where he git his information or inside news. Believe it or not, this was the site he said. Ridiculous that it is where he said he got his info if true. But after I checked it out, they have some good stories on there.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Gator - I need an anti PFT fix....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Gator - I need an anti PFT fix....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

A good site to see where other teams feel they are and their issues. We have ours down pretty good, interesting to see other teams/media criticisms of rivals.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I think these ex-player analysts should have degrees in media communications. That is my major, and I can only dream of doing play by play one day. It's a little unfair that just because someone played that they are a shoo in for the booth. Has anyone ever heard the downright assault of the English language that is Jerome Bettis. Better yet what about Shannon Sharpe, OMG he sounds like he reads at a 3rd grade level. I'm the first to admit that some of the analysts do a great job, for instance Madden, S&S and a few others. Just because I write about sports for my school doesn't mean I can just go onto the field and play .

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

REDDMV - I don't know where you got your fashion history from, but rockin Jerseys and White Tees was out WAAAAAAY before JZ. GTF outta here with that.

We use to rock the white tee all week during the first week of school when everyone would wear their fresh gear, then we use to rock our fresh gear after everyone else wore theirs in the previous week.....

And I keeps the fresh jerseys. You should see my Redskins' BBall Jerseys......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Just because I write about sports for my school doesn't mean I can just go onto the field and play .

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree with this to some degree, but it is entertainment and ratings have a good bit to do with this. Popular players have to have some draw to them.

There are some good players turned analysts out there, but there are also some you just scratch your head about. I like Tony Siragusa, Aikman( I know he is a Cowboy, but he is well spoken and knowledgeable) and a few others.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I dunno gator you say its a good place for NFL news but that Vinny reads it.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you gator, I like Aikman as well however I did not want to admit it. But the networks need to get some of these mumbling, stuttering meatheads off the airwaves. It insults what I'm trying to do for a living. These people are essentially supposed to be professional speakers. Networks should at least pick the best of the best.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Just because I write about sports for my school doesn't mean I can just go onto the field and play .

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

It does mean that you can coach or GM.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What am I enrolled in a university for? I could have saved alot of time and just went to Broadcast Bootcamp.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If your smart you are enrolled to get a specialized skill in broadcasting. I speak from experience in that regard.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I ONLY like Aikman because he has a SERIOUS man crush on Clinton Portis and Aikmen gives Clinton Portis (as Aikmen always says the full name) all the props deservant of a future HOFer.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

According to this AP article from the distant future today is Chris Cooley's birthday..... on July 11th

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iYmDP59ChLginjibbopyaCLOZ92wD994F7N04

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

that's weird, very strange sign problem
tried deleting cookies, etc.

oh well now I have another signon to remember...

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | June 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He does jocksniff Clinton Portis.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

IH8Dallas -

You have to go to school to be a play by play guy. You think Joe Buck ever played anything but the skin flute?

Ex- jocks get the anlyst or color man jobs.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

According to this AP article from the distant future today is Chris Cooley's birthday..... on July 11th

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iYmDP59ChLginjibbopyaCLOZ92wD994F7N04

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Does it also happen to have the winning lottery numbers for that week?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Joe Buck had the best kind of affirmative action - his dad knew somebody.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Hugo Chavez to invade Honduras. Do they drive or swim? I think drive too may sharks in the Gulf. But does he have enough coins for the tolls?

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | June 29, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What are you guys, descendants of Howard Cosell? There will always be “Jockocracy”…..and by the way, some of the ex-players do get to do the play by play calling…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 29, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

OK lets put a 71 year old in jail for 150 years. Does that mean his family can't have the corpse back until 2160? With the healthcare quality he'll get I can see him living more than 3-5 years

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | June 29, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

IH8Dallas -

You have to go to school to be a play by play guy. You think Joe Buck ever played anything but the skin flute?

Ex- jocks get the anlyst or color man jobs.

Thank you for clarifying that. I did not know the difference between play by play and analysis. I guess you learn something new everyday. My point is that even to be an analyst, I believe the "jocks" should also have the same degree as the play by play caller.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

4th, you just don't f with the homie Jay-Z.

Tru people were wearing jerseys and what not before Jay, but around '96 was when it became THE thing to rock. I rememeber everyone had either that Orlando Magic Shaq joint or the Penny, which was around '96, '96.

White tees came out LIKE THAT on the scene around '99, '00. I remember becasue in the "Bling Bling" video the whole Cash Money wore white tees.

And I'll put my jersey collection up against anyone in the DMV. I got jerseys you neva eva seen anyone with before, oh and bests believe they're as realer and sicker than swine flu.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 29, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

What am I enrolled in a university for? I could have saved alot of time and just went to Broadcast Bootcamp.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If your smart you are enrolled to get a specialized skill in broadcasting. I speak from experience in that regard.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 2:46 PM

ih8dallas [great name, by the way!], enjoy the college life, and make sure you leave with a great demo tape...that's what gets you your first job.

zeese- From my experience, working at the college radio/tv stations was much more important than the broadcast journalism degree. In fact, if I could do it all again, I'd get a business degree, while still doing the radio/tv thing... a degree is a degree is a degree in this biz. Your demo tape is what truly matters.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 29, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted it, but here's an interesting list of the top 50 players in the league, as decided by Pete Prisco.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11892651

Albert Haynesworth is #11 overall and the 4th defensive player overall, while CP is #37 overall and the 2nd RB overall. No other Redskins were chosen (in fact, none other even made the honorable mention).

Posted by: psps23 | June 29, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

For the record Howard Cosell was the best that ever lived. "Down goes Frazier!Down goes Frazier!" may be the most memorable call in the history of sports.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 29, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

noone, it was the principal of the sentence, had nothing to do with how old he was.

again, the ramifications of the damages will be felt across many generations.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

And I'll put my jersey collection up against anyone in the DMV. I got jerseys you neva eva seen anyone with before, oh and bests believe they're as realer and sicker than swine flu.

Posted by: RedDMV

Trying a little too hard there. lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 29, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

4-12 ,
I agree that if you want to be an on air guy the degree means less then the demo reel. But if you wanted to do behind the scenes stuff, then that piece of paper can also be important. I mean I ended up wanting to stay off camera, and do political media, where my minor is as important as my major. But then I have a face for radio and a voice for the silent pictures.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

BTW,
Here is a story from our old friend at NFL network.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/06/26/moneyball-nfl-style/

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

RED - We ben doing White Tees since 1994 (When I started High School)! It was a 'Football Team' thing at the time since we techinically were back in school since early August.

I am willing to put up my few but priceless jerseys against yours anyday! Before I was married, I was an EBay groupie and would snatch up all the one-of-a-kinds! And F JayZ whihle I am at it! But he rocked it last night! (BTW Beyonce had that look in her eyes that Jamie Foxx was about to rape her or something while he was pushing her back to her seat before the Jay performance).....

Speaking of F JayZ. My song of the moment, 'It's the God in Me', Queen Latifah riped that joint! She said she represents 'Hov' with out the 'J' in her lyrics. G'yeah!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

4th Keshia Cole was looking hot last night. I thought Jamie did a good job.

Posted by: jm220 | June 29, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Ah...we're on the same page Zeese. The degree is important for much of the behind the scenes stuff...I know I don't have the training to do what you do.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 29, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Keshia has def evolved JM! Beyonce is all of it, but I refuse to drool over her anymore. But, that silohette (sp?) of her when she was singing that song was undeniable!!!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Well to be fair 4 you and I work in different mediums of similar fields.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Here is a story from our old friend at NFL network.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/06/26/moneyball-nfl-style/

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 3:24 PM

Wouldn't this be plagirisim since he wrote this same story on WaPo? Or can you take a story you wrote and repost it with your new employer?

(Calling on Alex/4-12).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

4th - it's not plaigerism as such, since Jasno actually wrote the original piece, but, depdending on his employment agreement with the Post, and other precedents, it may be a copyright infringment, since the Post may consider the article their property

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 29, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

4th - it's not plaigerism as such, since Jasno actually wrote the original piece, but, depdending on his employment agreement with the Post, and other precedents, it may be a copyright infringment, since the Post may consider the article their property

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 29, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Here is a story from our old friend at NFL network.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/06/26/moneyball-nfl-style/


HOLD UP!!!! Look at the new pic of JLa on that link, then google Dan Snyder under Google Images.

Could Jla be Snyders Bassstard Child or given the age, his younger jealous brother, and venting through his blogs. Never noticed it before, but they are eerily similiar. Or

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

noone, it was the principal of the sentence, had nothing to do with how old he was.

again, the ramifications of the damages will be felt across many generations.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 3:20 PM

yes rich people becoming poor is a tragedy, much better to be poor and stay that way

also rich people being greedy, when you're getting 30% returns in a market that is going up 9-14%, something is not right in Denmark. But nobody questions the good times only the bad.

Should just shoot him in the middle of Wall Street and save the $300K+ for keeping him in jail until he dies.

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | June 29, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood:
I thought most of the BET awards show was done in good taste except for the Lil Wayne rap/hip hop sequences which I didn't care for. Overall to have completely changed course/theme and put it all toghether in about 72 hours I think they did a dam good job.

As far as Emmitt Smith, so he doesn't have a great command of the English language, but he sure as hell doesn't embarrass himself when he walks into his bank and says, "I'd like to make a deposit/withdrawal."

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse


"He got Debacled!"

Posted by: moosepod | June 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Should just shoot him in the middle of Wall Street and save the $300K+ for keeping him in jail until he dies.

You'll get no argument from me.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Should just shoot him in the middle of Wall Street and save the $300K+ for keeping him in jail until he dies.

You'll get no argument from me.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Or just lock him in a room with people who got swindled for an hour and what ever happens is his punishment.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

gator, which ever....feed him to a croc at a local zoo, use him as a human crash test dummy

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 29, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

WaPo,

You all are breaking stride. Stick to the script and continue with the position breakdowns.

Posted by DMVRED

My boss once demanded I do a survey of the needs and desires of our employees, broken down by sex.

I called him back saying "Actually booze is much more of a problem."

Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, get creative with it, throw him into a New age Running Man game. Now that would make a great PPV special.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 29, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell Might Not Be Unemployed For Long
Posted by Mike Florio on June 29, 2009, 4:19 p.m.
To start this day off, not long after midnight, we posted a blurb on former NFL running back Brian Mitchell’s contention that his employment with Red Zebra Radio was terminated because he had been too critical of Red Zebra’s sister company, the Washington Redskins.

Regardless of whether there’s any merit to that claim, Mitchell might not have to wait too long to get back behind the microphone.

Sheil Kapadia of philly.com points out that Mitchell served as a guest host last week with Howard Eskin of WIP radio in Philadelphia.

But it’s not clear whether Mitchell will become a WIP regular.

“When he became available, we decided to take a look,” station general manager Marc Rayfield told philly.com via e-mail. “Where we might potentially use him is yet to be determined but the feedback from our listeners has been tremendous.”

Mitchell spent ten seasons with the Redskins, from 1990 through 1999, before playing for the Eagles from 2000 through 2002. He finished his career with the Giants in 2003.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Should just shoot him in the middle of Wall Street and save the $300K+ for keeping him in jail until he dies.

You'll get no argument from me.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

At least the law got madoff. Its all the crooks that aren't prosecutable that concern me. You know, the guys that bankrupted Lehman, sunk Bear Stearns, Merrill while sucking up massive bonuses. Them guys.

You want to shoot Fuld or Thain in the middle of Wall St? Go ahead. But shoot 'em twice, just in case.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 29, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The fairest sentence IMHO would be no inheritence for his kin so his faults could be felt through generations......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I believe the "jocks" should also have the same degree as the play by play caller.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Degree, shmegree. You get better by experience. When you were in college, did you work for the campus radio station? i did. I did football play by play for three years. I learned a ton more doing that, than I did in any class.

If you want to be a broadcaster, get a gig anywhere, any jerkwater station--you'll work for a pittance, but gain experience. If you cabn't get a job as play-by-play sign on as a statistician or spotter. It will get you access, help you find a job. Once you get some miles on you, start sending out tapes and networking at conferences etc.

If you are good, you'll advance... You will learn your craft along the way. But there's a LOT of competition. And Vin scully didn't get his job because of a degree.

Could be worse, you could try to be a game show host. VERY few of those gigs and the only way hosts leave is feet first or senility.

Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

As far as Emmitt Smith, so he doesn't have a great command of the English language, but he sure as hell doesn't embarrass himself when he walks into his bank and says, "I'd like to make a deposit/withdrawal."

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 29, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"He got Debacled!"

Posted by: moosepod | June 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"sharp as a whistle"

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The fairest sentence IMHO would be no inheritence for his kin so his faults could be felt through generations......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse
would that set the precedent neccesary to sue for slavery reparations?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 29, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

no the fairest thing would be that every piece of property he has owned in his lifetime and anything given to near family from day 1 of his scheme. be taken liquidated and the financial assets be split among those wronged.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I want my reparations and I want it now!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Cork, don't be so literal. You got that experience because you were student of the school. That experience was an extension of what you got in the classroom while working toward your degree. And someone could certainly follow the path you suggested but it would take a lot longer than it would for guys who went to college. Very few of the guys you see on ESPN or the major networks went that route. They all are college guys who made the most of internships and other practical experiences while getting a degree. And if you are going to talk on tv or radio, it's a good idea to know about subjects other than sports.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Woman puts man in sleeper hold, stops bank heist

The Associated Press
Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:28 PM

MISSION VIEJO, Calif. -- Cyndi Orel worked as a police officer for 25 years and never caught a bank robber. She was apparently saving that hobby for retirement. The retired Long Beach police officer foiled a bank robbery at a grocery store Saturday when she put a 220-pound bank robber in a chokehold until he passed out. Orel is about 5 feet 7 inches and 128 pounds

"I never caught a bank robber," Orel said Monday at press conference held by the Orange County sheriff's office. "This was pretty exciting just because of the nature. You don't have time to think about it. You just react."

Orel was at the Mission Viejo Albertsons store when a bank employee shouted that a man with a gun was trying to rob the branch. As another shopper scuffled with the robber, Orel put a sleeper hold on him, blocking blood to his brain and making him pass out twice. Later, they discovered the man did not have a gun.

............

Orel said she learned the move at the police academy 28 years earlier, and only used it a few times during her years on patrol. She retired in 2006 but said she keeps active by running laps and lifting small weights.

Deputies arrested a 52-year-old man from Las Vegas, who they believe committed eight to 10 bank robberies, Amormino said.

© 2009 The Associated Press

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

that guy is gonna be real popular in the local prisons...

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

nice, and she did it w/o a gun, I might add.

Learned Hand; your last statement "if you're going to talk on TV..." you should learn about other subjects is so true - my uncle ran/owned the daily paper in Pierre, S.D., and it's one thing he hated - Journalism students who knew nothing outside of their communications classes - it makes for a very poor reporter.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 29, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

What's funny is if she was still a police officer she would likely not be permitted to use that hold.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 29, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

LH's point is valid in all art and information mediums. In film when you have a person who is able to make a move but unable to write a smart script or understand complex plot concepts and character development its called Michael Bay.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 29, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Cork, don't be so literal. You got that experience because you were student of the school. That experience was an extension of what you got in the classroom while working toward your degree. And someone could certainly follow the path you suggested but it would take a lot longer than it would for guys who went to college. Very few of the guys you see on ESPN or the major networks went that route. They all are college guys who made the most of internships and other practical experiences while getting a degree. And if you are going to talk on tv or radio, it's a good idea to know about subjects other than sports.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Sure but Ih8Dallas was claiming you HAD to have a degree to be allowed to broadcast, with which I disagree. I was a journalism major, which had literally NO broadcast classes back in the day, so working for campus radio was a sideline.

I don't disagree that going to college is a leg up in most priofessions.

And while I don't think a lot of the J-school I attended, I feel I learned more in the living room of my fraternity than I did in class.

And not just sports. Most of my professional broadcast career was spent reviewing movies.


Posted by: TheCork | June 29, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

can I get $$ from the English for kicking out clan out of Scotland and sending us to America? I want me some of them reparations.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 29, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

RED - We ben doing White Tees since 1994 (When I started High School)! It was a 'Football Team' thing at the time since we techinically were back in school since early August.

I am willing to put up my few but priceless jerseys against yours anyday! Before I was married, I was an EBay groupie and would snatch up all the one-of-a-kinds! And F JayZ whihle I am at it! But he rocked it last night! (BTW Beyonce had that look in her eyes that Jamie Foxx was about to rape her or something while he was pushing her back to her seat before the Jay performance).....

Speaking of F JayZ. My song of the moment, 'It's the God in Me', Queen Latifah riped that joint! She said she represents 'Hov' with out the 'J' in her lyrics. G'yeah!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 29, 2009 3:27 PM


Ooooo, 4th! No, no, no homie...

Man cuz, you really do not want there with the jersey game. When I say I got those jerseys, I GOT THOSE JERSEYS. 'Cause like you I was on eBay, and any website that sold authentic jerseys, ya heard? For real for real, when I was deployed I sometimes ain't have sh*t to do, so I'd get on the 'net and cop'd til I dropped -- I was there for a year. I got back to Germany, and was still coppin'. Indeed, I was a jersey fiend.

Oh, and I got mostly throwbacks. I mean, them flava joints for ya.

What you want? That orange crush 75th anniversary Elway? GOT IT!

That '85 Eric Dickerson? GOT IT!

That Montana -- when he played with the Chiefs? GOT IT!

Then I got the NBA... *whew*... man dawg, you know NBA teams got like seven different jerseys they wear.

What you want those NBA all-star joints? Pro Bowl jerseys? GOT I-T, bruh!

If you really on that jersey game like that, then I must ask, where you shoe game at? You know you ain't on par with the boy...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 29, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

And if you are going to talk on tv or radio, it's a good idea to know about subjects other than sports.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Unless, of course, you work for ESPN. In which case even a simple command of the English language is optional...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

C'mon people! It's slow at work, DEAD on the blog....I need SOMETHING to keep me awake!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence! Marcus Mason! Cut Campbell! Anyone? Nothing?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Once heard Emmitt asked about how hard the NFC north was on ESPN. He spent the next two minutes simply naming the teams in that division, that was the totality of his debate.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

He spent the next two minutes simply naming the teams in that division, that was the totality of his debate.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 8:27 AM

Did he name them correctly? That has to count for something.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Honestly the whole segment seemed to take so long by the end of it im not sure he got them all he had multiple stuttering repeats, but i think he got to them. Last time ive seen Trey Wingo go to him on the fly, he give a heads up now... sad really.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Is it Sept 13th yet?

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | June 30, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I am gonna guess Smith probably threw a few AFC team, the Cowboys and a MLS team in his breakdown to be safe.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"...I need SOMETHING to keep me awake!"

Staying awake should be relatively easy in these days of death and irony.

Together, they both creep about us on tiny cat-feet looking for a role where they are not supposed to have one at all.

Whitney Houston was the biggest druggie joke.

She put her career in a pipe, lit it, and couldn't wait to exhale the great promise and voice we all had for her.

But then, she beats addiction, and so, maybe out of revenge, it turns around and kills Michael Jackson.

King of Pop? No: more like The King of Pill Poppin'.

Recently deceased pitchman Billy Mays didn't outlive the long-lasting and versitile usefulness of the products he endorsed.

I wonder if the cost of his funeral will be more than $19.95.

I even wonder if Death, the real Grim Reaper, announced himself with a baritone blast when it took Ed McMahon into the Great Beyond.

The loss of life extends through to an actress folks had forgotten about, Farrah Fawcett, to a football coach, Ed Thomas, who seems to have been remembered in the wrong way by one of his former players.

Mighty Mike Tyson himself has been hit in the ribs by death: his 7 year old daughter Exodus' dying marked another ironic moment in the life of a once reckless man whose wealth came in violent sport that should've killed him.

So you see, sir, despite the blog being a little slow here in the NFL silly season, there is plenty to keep you awake.

The blog is dead?: naw, it's just recuperating and laying low.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

The blog needs a leader. we are a headless hamster with out one.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The blog needs a leader. we are a headless hamster with out one.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps our President can appoint a blog Czar.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 30, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Burress and Vick to receive stiff penalties."

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell is leaning toward indefinitely suspending former New York Giants wide receiver Plaxico Burress(notes) and continuing to sideline quarterback Michael Vick(notes)... Such moves would be the latest examples of Goodell’s tough stance on players embroiled in off-field issues.


So the NFL has turned in to another episode of "Cops"?

Some Bad Boy does wrong, and Roger "Book'em Dan-O" Goodell lays down the law, all in the name of protecting the image of the league?

Rozelle built the league, Taglibue made it rich, and I guess it's Goodell's job to be the nun with the ruler who smacks the wrists of those morons who can't behave.

Question: if you did something stupid over the weekend, would you want to be forced to sitdown with you boss on Monday morning to explain your action?

I ask this as it seems that over the past few years, the NFL has started with penalizing celebratory on the field behavior, and criminalizing off the field stupid behavior.

I get where Goodell is coming from. Goodness knows that with over 1,200 players earning bilions of dollars, he can't let 2-3 guys screw it up for everyone else.

But if a player goes to jail for an issue in his personal life, how does the league get the right to come in and add on another layer of punishment via suspension or fine?

At what point is Goodell's 'Good Cop, Bad Cop' routine overkill?

Vick did time and is broke, Stallworth will do time and has paid, and Burress will get time and lose money: why does Goodell have to pour on more punishment whenit's already been doled out?

And shouldn't the team that drafted the player have a greater role in protecting or punishing him than league offices?

"Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gon' do when Goodell comes gunning for you...."


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

keep your nose clean, and you got nothing to worry about......right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

If over the weekend i A. am convicted of a felony dog fighting Ring. B. Murder a person driving Drunk. or C. Shoot myself with a gun in one of the most illegal places to have a gun on the planet (NYC).
Then i really have no recourse when i go in on monday and receive notice of my immediate termination.
These guys dont have it so bad simply being suspended indefinitely.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The NFL is not like other corporations. It is evolving as it ages. I think long term you will see the Teams/Owners and players union establishing a possible Player bill of rights and a set process, separate from the commissioners office for dealing with these issues, with set rules for dealing with player ethics.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

So you see, sir, despite the blog being a little slow here in the NFL silly season, there is plenty to keep you awake.

The blog is dead?: naw, it's just recuperating and laying low.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 9:09 AM

Thanks for the column, Moe. If you're trying to prove you can write, mission accomplished.

Now slow the melodramatic roll.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Folks, we can't compare the NFL to our everyday mundane jobs. An NFL player getting busted for ANY reason is going to generate headlines. A data entry clerk or customer service rep won't. So don't think that the NFL will act the same way any other job will because they have to be harder on the player since the spotlight will be so much brighter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

So don't think that the NFL will act the same way any other job will because they have to be harder on the player since the spotlight will be so much brighter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

No i really believe most average work a day jobs would find these actions unacceptable and most likely would get people fired. The NFL is more lenient in that sense.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Stu's right,
If you had an employee doing some suit job for you and they got pac-man's wrap sheet after you hired them. They would be gone.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

No i really believe most average work a day jobs would find these actions unacceptable and most likely would get people fired. The NFL is more lenient in that sense.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 10:22 AM

A lot of these jobs wouldn't know about it (at least in the case of the gun charge). I had a buddy get a DUI and not only kept his job, but got promoted. So it happens. But when there's public pressure to discipline a guy (and that wouldn't be the case in most of our jobs), it puts the NFL in a position most employers wouldn't face.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood hit the head on the nail. most jobs would not even know about your felony unless you had a security clearence. if you were to go out over the weekend and get into a street brawl, gun fight, DUI, or even murder and got arrested and posted bail by monday and went to work the police would not call your job and tell your boss what happened. the only way your boss would find out is if you told them.

So because the media puts everything in the news we magnify it. how many times have you seen ESPN put a headline under the NFL tab saying "Former Cowboy arrested for murder" then you click on it and find out it was some guy who was a third stringer and played one season. but this is the media driven age we live in.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Did you buddy kill someone that day that he got the DUI, cause those things get noticed, same as shootings and felonious dog ring sponsoring.
The NFL dishes out pretty fair punishment for the crimes that are commited.
an average DUI like your friend had is dealt with by the NFL with rehabilitation programs not suspensions, that being a first DUI. Clearly the NFL is attempting to prevent multiple arrests which is why you start receiving suspensions after the first offense.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

That's not necessarily true Alex. If you are an "at-will" employee, yes, your boss can fire you for any reason or no reason so long as it is not an illegal reason. If you are a member of a union or if your employer can only fire you "for cause", then your private activities are likely not grounds for dismissal so long as you did not violate a work rule that required dismissal. And they certainly couldn't fire you if, like Pac Man, all you had were arrests or charges but no convictions.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

There is the law and then there is the law. A employer will figure a way to get rid of someone they don't want.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 30, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Stu, the stuff that is obviously big time like killing a man can't go unnoticed, mainly because most people can't make the bail that's requested for something like that. But if Michael Vick was just some Joe Blow factory worker he wouldn't have been so attractive to prosecutors. Still would have gone down, but he doesn't draw that same attention.

But you're saying the NFL is more lenient. I disagree. If Plaxico Burruss works at Ritz Camera he's still at work today. If Pacman Jones works at Burger King (and I'm sure he will soon), he's still working whether he's "making it rain" or not. Huge situations like the Stallworth incident speak for themselves, and from what I've seen of Roger Goodell, when he says "indefinite suspension" he's really saying "you're done here...I'll just hear your appeal and reject it in another year or two".

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

That way better be related to the workplace otherwise the employer risks having to spend money on lawyers to defend its actions or a settlement or jury verdict. If the employee's actions aren't affecting business or disrupting the workplace, most employers won't take action.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

A felony is a felony very few work contracts have language protecting a worker whos commited a felony from being fired, they may choose to ignore those facts but if a worker commits a felony and their work is notified they will most likely be terminated. Burger king will fire you if you run a dog fighting rung, a foctory in NYC will fire you over felony gun possession and dischage laws.

To date Goddell has not suspended anyone for more then even a season i believe so im not sure where your getting that an indefinite suspension results in a player being kicked out and having multiple appelas being denied over multiple years.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

besides you cant fire an employee for the off the clock behavior unless you have personal conduct agreements in place like the NFL does with its athletes

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

But if Michael Vick was just some Joe Blow factory worker he wouldn't have been so attractive to prosecutors. Still would have gone down, but he doesn't draw that same attention.

Joe Blow still would have served more time than Vick. The way that article sounded, Vick might as well get good at the job he has, because if/when he is ever reinstated, who will want him 3-4 years out of football? He will be 31 maybe 32 when re-instated and what made him good will no longer be there.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Red - I forgot you said you were in the military, so I'll back off. You guys ave nothing but time on your hands and money to burn. I know this because my step brother is still on active duty......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Joe Blow still would have served more time than Vick. The way that article sounded, Vick might as well get good at the job he has, because if/when he is ever reinstated, who will want him 3-4 years out of football? He will be 31 maybe 32 when re-instated and what made him good will no longer be there.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 11:14 AM

Yeah, but on the flip side of that Joe Blow is likely not caught because there's not a million dollar home involved and no one is itching to rat him out.

Bottom line is I don't believe the NFL is going easy on guys. Under Tagliabue you could make that case. Goodell is throwing the book at these guys, as well he should.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is I don't believe the NFL is going easy on guys. Under Tagliabue you could make that case. Goodell is throwing the book at these guys, as well he should.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 30, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree. The problem is the players feel entitled to play in the NFL, whereas in reality, it is a privilege to play a game for millions.

Like Greatone1 said, most jobs dont have a personnel conduct policy in place so you dont damage the reputation of the job you work for. It is similar to the military, they have gotten so strict on alcohol related incidents, if you make an ass out of yourself when you are drunk, you will pay dearly for it. Depending on the infraction, they will boot you out. This is no different.


I think it is good what he is doing, it has started in the direction of getting out of hand. Goodell is making sure it trends the other way. Dont be stupid and you will make millions, pretty easy guideline.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...what I've seen of Roger Goodell, when he says "indefinite suspension" he's really saying '"you're done here...I'll just hear your appeal and reject it in another year or two"'.


And that's what's so odd.

A guy does something wrong, serves time, loses money, gets shamed, and can't go back to his career because, well, he's stupid?

Goodell must not know the NFL is a league of dudes playing a game: dudes who, invariably are paid to act instinctually on the field, and, given the litigous/media driven nature of modern culture have to always be thoughtful while out on the streets.

If I'm a player thinking, "I'm not a robot. I play a game. It is just a game, isn't it?"

Take the often occuring 'domestic violence' charge: how many non-football playing dudes walk away from a wife/girlfriend during a bad argument thinking, "Hey, I want out of here 'cuz that out of control chick will cause will create a media story that'll cost me my job Monday morning."

Not that I'm condoning domestic or any other kind of violence, mind you, but that the players are humans. Sometimes, life happens.

It seems if the NFL is going to continue policing its players, it should establish some sort of graduated "3 strikes and you're out system" before 'indefinately suspending' them.

Again: Vick has served time, is broke. Stallworth will get time, has paid. Both are shamed and will deal will their issues well past their football playing days.

Burress even has the Mayor of New York rallying against him, and so, will get time, lose money.

So now, they can't earn money at what they know how to do, play football?

Roger needs to chill.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to touch these?

Santonio Holmes bulks up for coming season
Ronnie Brown loses weight
Dockett Wants Top 5 Money
Broncos continuing stance on Marshall
Giants sign third-round pick Travis Beckum

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

So it's 5:16 am and I wake up next to a light-skinned 8, i'll be honest--the body is better than the face...I sh!t, shower and shave and as I'm ready to make my escape, my truck is not sitting in the visitor parking space of her complex. wtf?

Apparently I needed a parking pass in addition to occupying a 'visitor space.'
Jah Dammit..So because I used an EMPTY parking space between the hours of 12am to 6am I:
1). Got a headache
2). Was late for work
3). Had to call someone for a ride to my truck
4). Had to pay $120 to get it back
5). Need a drink(I know it's early)

Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like a bunch of mixed blessings, Vicc

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to touch these?

Santonio Holmes bulks up for coming season
Ronnie Brown loses weight
Dockett Wants Top 5 Money
Broncos continuing stance on Marshall
Giants sign third-round pick Travis Beckum

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Could work for him Steelers lose Nate Washington so more passes are gonna go his way with Heines getting older. He will prove to be there #1 WR.
Bad call ronnie Brown, With the WildPat formation your gonna need some more weight to keep the potential for a up the middle run there while Pat tosses or splits out to the flanks.
Dockett while being one of the dirtiest mfers in the league could be considered one of the better ends, plays versitlie run and qb pressure, hate the guy but he is good, pay him.
If there gona trade him then do it. The guy is pure talent and is one of the handful of best WR in the game right now. Possible suspensions upcoming Denvers looking to overhaul their image post shannahan.
Mark my words Travis Beckum will be a great NFL player, already got boss but this guy could turn into a playmaker more in line with Shockey, but with half the BS.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Roger needs to chill.

How about if people stop committing these crimes?? You're focusing in the wrong direction. We're not talking about children here, grown men need to know better than to put their hands in a violent way on a woman.

Lots more Football leagues that Vick could play in. Head on up to the CFL see if they're interested in his services.

Sorry, I don't buy it. Don't committ the crimes in the first place, and these guys wont find themselves in this position. You reap what you sew.....If Vick doesn't committ the crimes he did, Goodell and him are on good terms......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

So now, they can't earn money at what they know how to do, play football?

Roger needs to chill.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they should have stayed 4 years in college, received an education and a degree so when they did something to jeopardize their career they have something to fall back on.

Moe, it seems like you think it is their right to play football. It isnt, it is a privilege, and when you do something to bring shame to your profession, contractually it has every right to boot you out and not take you back. If they dont like the rules, dont play the game.
Pretty simple. I knew many people when I was in the Navy that got booted for weed, some of them were very very good at their jobs. But we all signed a piece of paper to join, and knew that if we smoked and got caught(notice I say got caught, that is a BIG part of it) then you will pay the ultimate price. Yeah we felt bad for those that got booted, but those are the rules. If you want to play with fire and see if the rules apply to you, then you cant complain when you get burnt.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Apparently I needed a parking pass in addition to occupying a 'visitor space.'
Jah Dammit..So because I used an EMPTY parking space between the hours of 12am to 6am I:
1). Got a headache
2). Was late for work
3). Had to call someone for a ride to my truck
4). Had to pay $120 to get it back
5). Need a drink(I know it's early)

Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 11:58 AM |


If this had happened to an NFL star he would be suspended for three games plus Cork would be making his broken-record jokes about him until the guy died.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to touch these?

That's What she said

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

So it's 5:16 am and I wake up next to a light-skinned 8,

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 11:58 AM |

And if Vicc woke up with an 8, chances are that it consisted of two 3's and a 2.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll stir the pot here.....CP is not going to the hall....unless we win, meaning championship level contender and or SB apearence(s) or at least 1 lombardi...CP has many good qualities, I will sum it up by saying he plays 100% on gameday and sacrifices his body both blocking and carring the ball....but beyond that he is not an extordinary talent, instead he was a system back in Denver and a complier of numbers as a Redskin, thats how his career will be viewed by the hall..... unless we as i mentioned before consistently play for the nfc title and play for/ win a bowl....go ahead CP fans defend him

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

150 years in a minimal security for white collars...Then after he dies, the Reincarnation Police grab him and send him to grow up in Compton, where he becomes the next Lil Wayne..

Between Kim's tantrums and the Honduran drug dealers grabbing power, world's kinda volatile right now..Korean BBQ?? No thanks..

Posted by: frak | June 30, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

And that's what's so odd.

A guy does something wrong, serves time, loses money, gets shamed, and can't go back to his career because, well, he's stupid?
Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 11:49 AM

No. I think the league's position is the player can't get his career back because he, by his actions, has damaged the BRAND and his continued presence in the league will further damage the BRAND by association.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Double Standard Alert..... BEEP BEEP

We dont condone NFL players for getting drunk, having multiple women, and some of the other stuff they do. but we turn an blind eye to money manager, bankers, wall street, congressmen, and politicians that do the same thing, dont believe me ask the guy from south carolina that went missing for days and then says he is not going to resign after admitting to an affair and traveling on tax payer money. but who cares about that no of us want to be a stupid politician we want to be super star athletes so the people who run the media that are full of jealousy at how the people live make a living on bringing people down.

Media= bring you up to tear you down

Posted by: GreatOne1 | June 30, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I've been towed more in the past 2 years than I have the previous 8 years. Trying to reduce traffic in metropolitan areas by minimizing your parking options? Maybe

If we are moving toward Europeanizing America, I do hope we build an S-Bahn network like they have in Germany.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

And if Vicc woke up with an 8, chances are that it consisted of two 3's and a 2.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abus


It's not the norm as I do have a 'go-to' that I frequent at least twice a week. She's put on a little weight though. I'd say I get lucky, like last night, probably once every month.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Plus, as has been demonstrated here and elsewhere, Goodell has to appease a certain kind of fan who 1) begrudge athletes' receiving such wealth for playing a game, 2) know that if they had that opportunity they wouldn't sjk it up by hanging out late, drinking and chasing tail, and 3) who can't get enough of complaining about players' lifestyles on blogs and talk radio. Nah mean?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Fourthfloor:

Saw the Boondocks episode on MLK, I thought it was pretty good for a cartoon, didn't expect MLK to go to Canada. Not bad.
Thanks for recommeding it.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 30, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't think that BMitch was fired because of the change in ownership of WTEM is delusional. He parted on poor terms with the Redskins back in 2000 and was openly critical of many of their personnel moves as well as Portis. Unlike Doc Walker, he was not diplomatic about his criticism which was why he was canned. I'm sure that Doc Walker is paid considerably more and this was not about cost savings.

The only reason that Danny Boy hasn't fired Czaben and Pollin is because they have a loyal following....I think that Czaben will eventually be let go if he continues to harp on the amount of turnover in the seating at FedEx. The station has definitely changed its tone and you can sense the control that Snyder has over it.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 30, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I think there should be firepoles for the girls at Wimbledon to dance on, what with all the primal grunting and groaning that goes on. ITS PORNO!!! But, what is that computer animated image of determining if the ball is in or out of bounds?? Sponsored by Rolex, or a reasonable Chinese imitation thereof..(probably a Diebold program anyway)..

Posted by: frak | June 30, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

gatorskin

"...it seems like you think it is their right to play football."

Sir, the purpose of today's posting is to stir up conversation.

That's my job in this blog.

The sense of entitlement you speak of comes not from me, but the various coddling universities and high schools that enable the young men who become professional athletes.

If millions of people sat around all day on a Saturday in April to see you get drafted for your job, I think it might just go to your head.

If you go to any university in the SEC, Big Ten, Pac 10, and ACC and see where the athletes live versus where the other students live, you can see how it all goes to a player's head.

In fact, some athletes look across their campuses and see the revenue from their play in the form of dorms, office buildings, stadium expansions, and scholarships for non-football related students.

Don't believe, Mr. Gatorskin?: drive around the western fringes of the University of Florida's athletic facilities and you'll see the newest buildings on the campus.

A guy is broke, his college coach gets millions. He gets to the pros, out of the insulated environment of a university, and suddenly he is not to carry himself like Lil Lawd Flauntlory?

Please.

Too, Goodell's salary comes from the endeavours of the athletes--not the other way around.

Again: the league should establish a three strikes policy so a player has some method of redeemning himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I used to be in to the grunting back in the day. Now it's just annoying.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 30, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"...I think the league's position is the player can't get his career back because he, by his actions, has damaged the BRAND and his continued presence in the league will further damage the BRAND by association."


You got that right.

And that's why I don't condemn the players when the want to be 'shown the money'.

I mean, if they want guy to constantly rep the brand, then the brand should fatten some pockets.

If Goodell wants a lot, then the owners should pay a lot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

damn. Moe is droppin' truth bombs today.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

originaloldschool

".....CP is not going to the hall."

Yes, he will.

Presently, he's listed number 28 on the all time rushing list.

If he collects a conservative 1,300-1,400 yards over the next three seasons (and that's not unusual for him), he'll be locked between T Dorsett and E Dickerson: two HOF'ers.

Dickerson never won a title, and he's in (yes, I know about the 2,000 yard season.).

Plus: CP is a good media guy and solid citizen.

He'll get in the Hal, as will C Samuels.

Thing is, will he finish out his career as a redskin?

Doubt it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

...I thought it was pretty good for a cartoon, didn't expect MLK to go to Canada...

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 30, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse


lmao. Maybe he couldn't afford the medical bill...30 years in a coma?

Great Show. I watched the DVD's. Never saw it on TV. Did 'Black Evil Television' broadcast episodes?


Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"...I think the league's position is the player can't get his career back because he, by his actions, has damaged the BRAND and his continued presence in the league will further damage the BRAND by association."


You got that right.

And that's why I don't condemn the players when the want to be 'shown the money'.

I mean, if they want guy to constantly rep the brand, then the brand should fatten some pockets.

If Goodell wants a lot, then the owners should pay a lot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse


Which players are you talking about. What is the harshest penalty given by goddell? Has he kicked anyone out. All three of the players we were discussing are still in the assessment phase from the comish standpoint. Im just trying to figure out which players careers he has condemned.
I really cant remeber him giving anything worse then Tanks 8 maybe 10 games. Not trying to be snide just seeing if anyone knows the harshest penalty that he has given out.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

It's not the norm as I do have a 'go-to' that I frequent at least twice a week. She's put on a little weight though. I'd say I get lucky, like last night, probably once every month.

Posted by: Vicc

NOW the blog is dead. Dandy Don started singing "The Party's over" the instant someone started bragging about his (unproveable) sexual conquests.

Posted by: TheCork | June 30, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

This is you, This is what you sound like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yFSpml8oSw

Talking about sports, food, WOMEN etc is routine convo among my friends. Get a life!

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, let's start a baseline, going way back to the '60's - Paul Hourning was suspended for a year for gambling on games. From one perspective, you could argue that this is the absolute WORST thing a player can do to the integrity of the sport, and he was only suspended for one year.

How do these new situations fit with that?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, yeah, vicc, but without sounding to much like an cranky old school teacher, we do have a mixed audience here.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I tried to respond to you MisterMoe, but apparently I was a little long in my response and it being "held".

So basically this was it, I agree, somewhat agree, agree to disagree, disagree, somewhat agree. Not necessarily in that order

*shrugs*

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, yeah, vicc, but without sounding to much like an cranky old school teacher, we do have a mixed audience here.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 1:20 PM

Hey, Pilgrim, where are you trying to go with this? Vegetarians and carnivores? Homos and heteros? Muslims and Christians? Geriatrics and pre-schoolers? Redskins fans and Dallas fans? Cavemen and dinosaurs?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I will try to re-post it for you in segments.....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

You are doing a good job at such. And yes, I have been to the Campus, but have not seen the new facilities. Even with everything you stated, it does not give them the right to go to the NFL and behave as they see fit until they get it right. 3 strikes is a seriously flawed system. All it takes is one strike in certain instances. If that one strike is Drug trafficking(sp?), murder, rape, etc. Should they get another chance? Or for that matter two more?

We can agree to disagree on this one. Rules are put in place for a reason. Exceptions should be exactly that, an exception, not the rule. If there are extenuating circumstances, then yes, I agree. However, if a player goes out and "makes it rain", while shooting the place up, no, they should be barred for life. There should be no place in a "reputable league" for felons, especially when a month later they commit another ridiculous act. They become a representation of the league, and the perception becomes that the NFL is allowing these millionaires to run wild, and then turn around and get off at times Scott free, or with a slap on the wrist.
Perception is key here, Especially since the vast majority of these offenders get considerably light sentences in relation to what the normal citizen would receive.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That still picture makes Wynn look like he has a giant "Spock-like" left ear lol.

Posted by: bms46and2 | June 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

As far as the college set-up, I agree to an extent. The vast majority of people on the College teams never make it to the NFL, however they get a free ride and an opportunity to get a degree from a good school that can translate into a good job.
The small percentage that make it to the NFL, get the payday. Should they get paid in college? I dont know, yes? How much, I dont know. A player from the University of Florida and a player coming from Wichita State, should they get the same pay? No. Obviously UF gets more income from their football team, would it be percentage based? Again I dont know. To a certain degree both the student athlete and the school are taking advantage of what each has to offer. Who makes out best? That is debatable. Too many factors to really calculate on here, but who do you use as an example? the 3rd stringer vs the University, or the star vs the University. You could make the case that the school gives the player a certain stage to demonstrate their skill, and what school they attend will determine the size of their stage. A UF star will get more National coverage, and therefore have a higher probability of being drafted high, than a player who is a star at Wichita State. That isnt even scratching the surface of other factors that are involved.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I do see your point on this, and I have struggled with both sides, able to make a point for each in my mind. Take Michael Jordan for example, does he think he was used at UNC? I would say no, based upon the amount of money he has given back to that school, I believe in the millions. Granted that is taking obviously one of the top tier athletes ever. He, based on his actions, feels UNC provided him with something special, and he felt the need to pay the institution back to a degree.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

oops i meant my left, his right ear ;-)

Posted by: bms46and2 | June 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/6/30/929118/hogs-haven-chats-with-redskins-lb

Something new to keep the dyay moving. It's too long to post.

Posted by: TWISI | June 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

But, what is that computer animated image of determining if the ball is in or out of bounds?? Sponsored by Rolex, or a reasonable Chinese imitation thereof..(probably a Diebold program anyway)..

Posted by: frak | June 30, 2009 12:37 PM

It's stooopid. You can easily see the ball hit the line with a blind eye. As the Judge has always done. I can see it on TV as well.

Women's tennis is where it's at. You get a front AND back shot at all times of hot and sweaty women. I think there prize money should be atleast 2x as much as the men's....

I see nothing wrong with grunting...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, grunters and non-grunters

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 11:58 AM

Has happened to me 2x! Once with my future wife. That is the worse thing. Makes you feel like you just paid an escort/prostitute. I hope the memories were worth the money!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe....numbers alone won't get it done,if he stays healthy is a big if given the beating he has taken and the amount of tread left on the tires.....dickerson was a rare talent who early in his career played on and largely carried some decent ram teams to the playoffs...

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

iz-zis thing on....hello.....hello???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently not.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Since no one can come up with anything close to a harsh punishment handed down by the commish I will assume that they are in fact lenient, thanks.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'd say it's harsh for the commissioner to sit around and wait to decide what to do about Michael Vick - what, it's been almost two years since he went to jail; you haven't been working on what the NFL sanctions would be until right around nowish?

That is pretty weak.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

For Vick He is waiting till he has completed all his legal obligation, which he hasnt. Say he were to do something like walk into a McD's and threaten 14 year olds with a gun that would change his standing. Goddell said he would wait till all his legal obligations have been settled before discussing reinstatment. Once he completes his home confinment that will mark then end of his obligations, in the mean time he is still working off his punishment.
(im not a big marcus fan if you couldnt tell)

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Has happened to me 2x! Once with my future wife. That is the worse thing. Makes you feel like you just paid an escort/prostitute. I hope the memories were worth the money!

Posted by: 4thFloor

That one has me in tears 4th

Posted by: jm220 | June 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that Goodell doesn't want Vick in the league. He doesn't add any significant value (more tix sold, more jerseys sold, etc), but he does bring a negative spotlight with him wherever he goes. Goodell hates that sort of PR.

But I don't think Goodell will keep him out forever. My guess, it'll be a year to year thing, with Goodell watching to see if/when Vick has rehabbed his image enough.

When the wind is at his back, Goodell reinstates Vick. But not until then.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ah, Stu, fair point - but what do you want to bet it's still months before the Commissioner makes a decsion after he's through with his legal obligations?

(While not a fan of Vick's, either, I just think that this guy plays games with people and waits way too long to make decisions regarding this kind of thing - have a policy, so everyone knows what the player is facing, instead of guessing until the day you annouce it. It makes it look like he's making it up as he goes along)

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I can agree with that he takes that stance that while these may be big names the league will go on without them. The way that he approaches it from a very authoritative my way or the higway deal with it stance would have to be frustrating for a player attempting to get back on the straight and narrow. He makes those that have fallen out of his graces go at his pace and at his command to get back. But again he really hasnt handed down anything unfairly harsh, these three cases will be the biggest test of that however.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

nice interview with Henson, thx for the link TWISI. That short video -- only 4 plays -- has him looking pretty good. He moves really well.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

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