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Let's Be Real

Let's do an exercise together, shall we, in a nod to our glorious school days of yore?

Turn with me to page E10 of today's Washington Post if you will. For those of you outside the beltway, or anyone who forgot to bring his or her workbook with them to class, any suitable NFL standings will suffice. Now, skim past W and L columns and Home and Away and look over at the column that reads: NFC. Glance down at the conference records of all the teams below and note how the Redskins, at 1-4, are bunched with Tampa Bay (1-5), Arizona (1-6), and Detroit (1-6).

That folks, if what they are, and that's why playoff talk will be banned from the blog for the foreseeable future.

The Redskins are at least two games behind the rest of the conference in NFC record. They have been passed by San Francisco for goodness sakes. As Mike Nolan intimated after Washington traded for Brandon Lloyd and pursued Andre Carter in free agency, the 49ers franchise hasn't exactly been setback by their departures and wasn't exactly fighting to keep them.

Now, let's go back and look at who the Redskins have played. I think we can agree that Dallas and Philly are pretty mediocre teams. Minnesota cannot beat anyone, has major issues moving the ball and has slumped to 4-5. Tennessee is a competitive 2-7, if that makes sense, but 2-7 nonetheless.

Washington has played nine games thus far, and has three wins. Only once have they been undoubtedly the better team on game day, when they pummeled Houston, a very bad football team in its own right.

The two biggest plays of the year were the coin toss against Jacksonville - let's be honest, neither defense was stopping anyone at that point in that game and whoever got the ball first in OT was going to win - and Troy Vincent's miracle kick block against the Cowboys. That's not a good sign of things to come.

Realistically, this team could be facing major questions at vital positions like QB, CB, DT, DE, LB, K and P this offseason. Again, not a good place to be.

The penalties have become comical and some of those waiting to anoint the Reaper should think long and hard about what progress, if any, he has made from last season to this season. The organizations has coddled him and protected him during his various legal snafus, and built him up relentlessly, and in return he continues to take mindlessly selfish penalties that have become all too easy to predict, while still suffering in coverage.

See Sean get beat in coverage, wait for the inevitable late hit or facemask on the next possession. I'm sorry, but if you take a safety 5th overall, you'd better get Ed Reed or Bob Saunders. Reaper is not there yet. Not close.

Carlos Rogers at ninth overall could prove to be a big stretch, too. And Jason Campbell being benched beyond all belief, that doesn't speak too well to the young, future core of this team. Cooley is legit, but in this inept offense no one is able to make an impact week after week. Looks to me like they'll be rebuilding, again.

Randoms: Jetta was unscathed but took about 4 hours to get home with the rain and construction depays. Ended up on Rte. 40 for a long stretch and had to take Howard all the way out to Fairfax to drop him off before heading back to Arlington. HB owes me big time. He'd better show up here with that sub like he promised ... Got home just in time ot see that 108-yard return last night, man, that was wild ... Anyone using injuries as an excuse for the Redskins is being naive. What the Giants are going through, losing another starter or two last night for the season, that's injury problems. What the Redskins have experienced is a normal year up here in the NFL.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 13, 2006; 11:48 AM ET
 
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Frost makes my head hurt
I'll be at next year's try outs
Pay me to shank kicks

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Got home just in time ot see that 108-yard return last night, man, that was wild

That was a great game. Fun to watch two teams that actually want to play football and are "fighting their guts out" to win.

Redskins suck across the board; how there could be anything to discuss is beyond me. Call me when something happens.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Amen Jason- I'll admit that prior to the Philly game I thought to myself "now that the D's completely healthy and the team has a little confidence coming off the Dallas win, it's possible to rattle off a few wins and get right back in the mix." Then, I watch the first 5 miuntes of the game and am snapped right back to reality like a rubber band. What a joke. We will be rebuilding for the forseable future.....which doesn't sound promising either since WE HAVE NO DRAFT PICKS. Pathetic.

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Redskins suck across the board; how there could be anything to discuss is beyond me.

I agree 100% Megskin.

Posted by: JM220 | November 13, 2006 12:01 PM | Report abuse

It's silly that Taylor, a 3rd year player, still won't answer to the media after games. He forces his teammates make up lame excuses for him by refusing any accountability. I wonder how long Washington and Wynn will continue to defend him?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm getting tired of people telling me today "at least we'll have a good draft pick next year..."

I say Saunders just runs Duckett from here on out. 1st and 10, run Duckett, 2nd and 15, run Duckett, 3rd and 20, run Duckett.
4th and long, let Duckett punt. At leat get your money's worth out of him. If anyone comments that the season is not lost and the gloom and doom needs to end and that JLaC should stop being so negative... were you under a rock yesterday?? My head still hurts.

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If Spurrier was doing the coaching right now, with the same calls, or Marty. There would be calls for their head. Its about time Gibbs is held up to some standard.

JLA- it is going to be hard to rebuild this coming year since we traded off all of our picks. We all know what is coming, signing a bucnh of turds who have nice names but are once again past their prime.

This again goes back to Gibbs, he likes older vets and dealing through free agency, unlike the school of Belichick which promotes building through the draft. Gibbs seems like that stubborn old man who afraid to throw away his Beta player, who let the VHS pass him by because it was too fancy, and thinks DVD's are the work of the Devil!!! He is happy with his Beta and damn anyone who tells him different.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 13, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

novak sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chip loehmiller | November 13, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Beta was a better format than VHS.

:-)

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

No "e" in Lohmiller. He and Rypien were my two favorite players of that era (well, other than Art Monk and Darrell Green, both of whom were Gods among men, not merely players). The whole showing up to a Caps game to skate and shoot around before the Super Bowl is a priceless memory.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

One note that probably has no effect on their play but shows you what direction this organization is going in - The players throughout the year have insisted on wearing these white on white uni's. The color of the uniforms should have no effect on how you play, but the fact that the players are seemingly still concerned with how they look as opposed to how they are playing is indicitive of a disfunctional franchise. it was cute last year when they won 5 straight games and got into the playoffs with them. It is disgusting when they are the highest paid team and 3-6, scoring only 9 offensive points in 3 divisional road games.

Posted by: Jack | November 13, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Jla- Why dont one of you reporters ask Gibbs a question after the next loss, but then when he is about to answer go,"Oh right you need to look at the tape", then snicker. If every reporter does this maybe he will see how retarded he look in these post games. I swear it is worse than politicians trying to speak.
We dont need to look at the tapes, the announcers of the games dont need to look at the tapes, the reporters font need to look at the tapes to see whats wrong. If he is that blind lets chip in and buy him a new pair of glasses.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 13, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Jack. They should switch to red on red. They'd look like big rotten tomatoes.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

amen about the Reaper stuff. Have you asked Coach Williams about this Jason? I've read that Williams considers Taylor to be the best player (maybe talent-wise) he's ever coached, yet this year he's been a negative influence, rather then an all-pro. This is stunning to me.

Posted by: Jake | November 13, 2006 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Now that the season's a wash, can we see Jason Campbell in action? Please? At least if we see what he can do over the next 7 games, we'll know if we have our quarterback of the future or the next Heath Shuler. It would be a shame if Gibbs left in Brunell to get moral victories.

Posted by: throbster | November 13, 2006 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Okay, when can we realistically expect Gibbs to go with Campbell? I even have Dallas fans at work who are sympathetic saying "They should just do what we're doing with Romo." I'd rather be losing with Campbell learning the offense and getting some experience. And who knows? Maybe he'd provide a spark and win some games. BTW - Someone tell Saunders that it's easier to run North-South in a mud game than it is to go outside and slip trying to get to the corner. Duckett got 12 yards on his bust up the gut. And then we decided to throw. Yay.

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 13, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hi Jason, don't you wish you were still covering the Capitals :) at least they play hard every night and they have a franchise player in Alex Ovechkin. Next season they will be a playoff team (they might even sneak in this season) Let's go Caps!

Posted by: blushfilms | November 13, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, the point i was trying to make was not about how the white uni's suck, its that they shouldnt be concerned with how they look when they are this bad. I wouldnt care if they went out dressed like the hoggettes if they were a winning team. These guys shouldnt either. Also, the fact that Gibbs lets this happen and caves to his players demand in spite of all the problems they have is a sign as to who is running the asylum

Posted by: Jack | November 13, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

IT'S TIME FOR JASON CAMPBELL!
While everyone was calling for Brunell's head after every loss since October I stayed away from making such a decision. I said to myself that as long as the Skins were still relatively in the playoff hunt and Brunell didn't do anything to directly lose a game then it wasn't right to make the switch.

After yesterday the redskins are no longer realistically in the playoff hunt and Brunell had probably his worst game of the season. good qbs don't do that in must-win games.

So why not switch to Campbell now? Can brunell really argue the decision based on how played sunday? Plus, playing Tampa Bay away would not only allow us to see whether Campbell has the poise to be a long-term starter. but also, it's a very winnable game (TB is only 2-6 remember?).

So let's as fans start putting some real pressure on Gibbs to start Campbell this week...

Posted by: doctorj085 | November 13, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If Gibbs doesn't make a QB change today, he deserves all the criticism in the world. There is no reason to play him anymore.

Posted by: Kyle | November 13, 2006 12:20 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Beta was a better format than VHS.

P-Diddy,

You know what I mean though. I dont like Parcells, but I have to give him, credit for pulling "his" guy for a player that gave them a better chance. Even though they lost to us you cant knock his decision for pulling Bledsoe. No one in their right mind in the NFL would question Gibbs if he pulled Brunell out. They are questioning now why he hasnt done so.

I agree with Gibbs on one point, its all around, true. The defense is looking like garbage, or I should say continuing to look like garbage. But how many times yesterday did we have the ball in Philly territory. If we are paying Al saunders 2 million to call swing right swing left, pay me 100k to call hook and ladders and draws, and counter tre's. Or I will call more deep plays to expose Brunells weakness to Gibbs.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 13, 2006 12:21 PM | Report abuse

lets see what the kid can do!

we need to know what we got going into the off season...

i fear we are going to give up all our draft picks to pick up trent green...who is going to get clobbered by LaVar in Game 1 vs. Giants next year and retire with Aikman for 1 too many cuncussions...

we should go after Brady Quinn!!!

Posted by: deadskin | November 13, 2006 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Realistically, this team could be facing major questions at vital positions like QB, CB, DT, DE, LB, K and P this offseason. Again, not a good place to be."

You went on to mention Sean Taylor, but surely S has to be a major need... maybe more so than CB. The safeties are the ones letting people run by them like they're standing still.

I've been following the Redskins for the last six years since I moved out to California. But I am about to let go of my childhood memories and find a new team to follow. (Is it possible?) It's not worth it to pay for NFL Ticket for these guys. They're not even competitive anymore. This is going to take a lonnnnnggggg time to fix.

They may never fix it. As people have said, "If Gibbs can't fix it... who can?" And it's obviously not the fault of the coaches. They all, most especially Saunders, have too good of a resume for their skills to be doubted. But they're not the ones on the field. They're not the ones who can't execute.

Posted by: olav | November 13, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Can you say SPELL CHECK!!!! Do you get paid to write?

Posted by: Tim Farnham | November 13, 2006 12:25 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Brady Quinn"

Visions of sugar plums and Heath Shulers dance in my head.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:28 PM | Report abuse

JLa,

Great read... and thank you for pointing out the horrendous play of Sean Taylor. He is horrible. If you want to see great safety play, take a look at Dawkins running around the field, or Ed Reed like you mentioned. Taylor isn't even close.

Worst part about it is that a) he's not even close to being the highest paid safety on our team... that person doesn't play anymore and is now the special teams captain (hilarious) and b) he'll go somewhere else after his contract and/or demand to be traded and become a star.

As for your other points, you're right... Rogers blows. Add him and Campbell to the list of players who will blossom in other cities.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The curse of the squire lives on! Let me guess, Eternal Optimists. There is still hope of great things to come. Our unified fandom energies will elevate this team beyond its apparent and excessive flaws. The fact that every other play was either a draw on 3rd and 15, a screen on 2 and 8 or a brunell roll-out to the left for toss to the sidelines, should not cause us to think critically about this teams play. The fact that Marty put up 49 with a less talented offense should not arouse any ire. The fact we are destined to blow this team up again either with new FAs or new coaches is nothing to fret over.

I hate the AFC, but i may have to start watching that team up north. You know the one that was struggling on offense and made an adjustment which...tada!... affected the teams play in a positive fashion.

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Do you get paid to write?"

Tim, Tim, Tim. We had this argument. Back in August. It's a blog, not a column.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:30 PM | Report abuse

olav,

I was oh-so-close to getting Chargers season tickets and discontinuing my 'Skins tickets when Snyder pulled a rabbit out of his hat and re-hired St. Joe.

Now I'm thinking the ol' Lightning Bolts may not be so bad a bet after all.

Personally, if I ever switch allegiances, it'll be to the Broncos. They have a highly knowledgeable fan base, great coach, and all of the 'Skins draft picks.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Offense production when the game is in play. Dallas, 1FG. NYG 1FG. Indy 1TD. Philly 1FG. That is half the schedule where the offense put up only 1 score. But Joe Gibbs has committed the sin that will get him fired. With games out of reach at Indy and Philly, he failed to put in Campbell and let him try to develop. If Campbell is so bad you can't get him some experience at the end of a blowout. Then you need to fire him as incompentent personnel mgr. If you do not develop him. Then you fire Joe as coach.

Posted by: AL | November 13, 2006 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Denver will have a very high 1st rounder this year. Now excuse me while I go grab Mr. Snyder's racquetball outfit out of the dryer and submit my latest blog entry to Casey Husband.

Posted by: Vinny Cerrato | November 13, 2006 12:35 PM | Report abuse

i'm sorry but i've seen enough of gibbs. he needs to go. it'd be one thing he was doing an amazing job coaching or if he was doing a good job of acquiring talent. but he's doing neither one of them right. and doing a worse job at acquiring talent. he wasted THREE YEARS of our lives already.

so would it make you feel better if gibbs fired himself as the HC and still remained the team president. as a fan HELL NO. i've seen enough of this movie. this aint the same joe.

i would much rather have russ grimm as the HC from the good ol days than either of these i-have-nothing-left-to-prove coaches. please! SNYDER do the right thing and offer the HC to russ grimm before pittsburgh does! and fire VINNY!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear Redskins Fans,

I really, really struggled yesterday. It was embarrassing, to say the least. I needed to have a Jacksonville-type of game, and I didn't. Boy, those Eagles can blitz, can't they? I'm afraid of getting sacked, so I really only look at the shortest option that I can. If Todd or Jason were running the offense, especially Jason with that arm, Al's plays would look much, much better. Those guys can get the ball where it needs to be on time, not me.

Sincerely,

Mark

Posted by: Mark Brunell | November 13, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

JLa - One question, in thinking about the next offseason overhaul and subsequent disaster that will take place starting this Spring: What is the contract status of some of the big name players? Are they going to try to rework some of the big name contracts, i.e. Portis, Samuels, Moss - and possibly cut/lose those players because of the salary cap hit?

Posted by: Jack | November 13, 2006 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Hook and ladder all the way. I worked it with my 8th graders during some free time and that albino kid took it to the house. If some scrawny albino kid can score with it, could you imagine Moss or Randel El????

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2006 12:41 PM | Report abuse

""....this team could be facing major questions at vital positions like QB, CB, DT, DE, LB, K and P this offseason.""

Add OL and TE to that also Jason.

This team is a mess all the way through.

Anyone mentioning "playoffs" should be smacked in the head. Campbell and Duckett should both start the rest of the year, but it's not gonna happen.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | November 13, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Biggest need on defense is LBs. Every LB on this team not named Marcus Washington is below average. Look at the great D's and you will find great LBs. They are the lifeblood of any defense. Lemar and Warrick are both playing terrible football.

Biggest need on offense is a QB, followed very closely by a new Center. And I am SO FRIGGIN SICK of the swing pass. Okay, so it worked a couple times versus Indy and once versus the Girls -- note to Al Saunders and M-Bru, the opposing teams actually watch tape of the Skins before they play us and have figured out that when Betts is in, the swing pass is a 90% certainty. And how is it that Gibbs turns the offense over to a passing-game-specialist, adds two solid WRs and the passing game GETS WORSE? Lloyd is right to be pissed, by the way, because whenever they get him the ball, he just makes plays.

And can somebody please explain to me why Rogers was playing 10 yards off the line in EVERY SINGLE third and short situation? I can understand one or two of them, when his safety help was blitzing, but there isn't an easier pass to complete than the 5 yard slant when the WR has a 10 yard cusion. Unless M-Bru is your QB, of course.

One word sums up this season and this team: PATHETIC.

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Jack,

I think we're already 1 mill over the projected cap for next year. This does not count signing draft picks (sorry, I mean draft pick - not plural), dead money for releasing players like Archuleta, and firing up Redskin One to sign more crappy free agents.

So yes, we will have to beg our players to renegotiate deals just like we were going to have to do last year before the CBA passed. It truly is sad.

There are so many good teams out there who will be coming off a playoff season and will have 10, 20, 30 million of cap space. We will be 4-12 and be in the red before free agency even starts.

Danny, Vinny, Space Cowboy Gibbs, you guys have run this franchise into the ground. Thank you!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Man, this is sooo depressing.....I cannot think of one positive thing to hang my hat on for the future of this franchise, they are so screwed by either the cap or the lack of draft choices, and Snyder has no damned clue how to run a franchise....even if he were to hire a GM, it would take him at least 3 years to get out of the hell Danny boy and his yes man have put us in.........frankly, I am done with this team, this franchise...until Snyder sells the skins, or hires a GM to begin the healing, I am officially a Raven's fan.....I'm a Maryland boy from birth anyway, skin's fans, start the chant at the next home game: SELL THE TEAM....SELL THE TEAM....SELL THE TEAM......and if Brunell even sets foot once on the field: WE WANT CAMPBELL....WE WANT CAMPBELL....WE WANT CAMPBELL............good luck in the future folks.......I'm out of here for the foreseeable future........a pox on Snyder and his house..........

Posted by: rob oliver | November 13, 2006 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Dorf --

Skins' player's contract status: http://www.skinsfans.com/pcinoz/Salaries%20Pages%20Summary.html

They'll have some work to do to free up significant money for free agency, but should be able to do it. M-Bru retiring would certainly help.

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, since alot of you folks hated Spurrier while he was here. But during those horrible years in the 90's I always relied on my college team to get me through the football season. Last year the skins gave me hope again and I relied on my pro team. IT gave me great hope for this year as well.

Now I have regressed back to my college team again. At least when Spurrier coached them we knew he never would give up and opt to go deep to get us back into a game. If the QB blew, he was out faster than a fan would ever guess. I am seriously considering just watching college and leaving the NFL until next year when my hopes are once again stomped on and crushed. For now my college team is in the hunt for the national title, but they too will probably end up blowing it. But at least they are in the hunt. The only thing I am still holding out hope for is to see that crucial article in the washington post declaring CAMPBELL WILL START!!! With some catchy title playing off the soup like "MMmmmm Mmmmm Good.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 13, 2006 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLC can you please get in contact with Steve Czaban before the Gibbs presser this afternoon and have him provide a few good questions to you and please don't be scared to ask him.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

jason, who was the guilty party and mentioned "playoffs" at the presser? And who was the "sining in the shower" as boz mentioned in his column?

c'mon spill it! we won't tell anyone.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but Joe Gibbs apparently comes from the same school of management as Donald Rumsfeld. I mean really, it's like Patrick Ramsey/Mark Brunell all over again...... Hey....wait a minute?!!!

Posted by: tigeruppercut | November 13, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And how is it that Gibbs turns the offense over to a passing-game-specialist, adds two solid WRs and the passing game GETS WORSE?

Because Saunders passing game is all based on timing patterns; something Brunell is not used to. He is scared to death to throw to an empty spot on the field and doesn't trust his receivers to be there.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Several isolated thoughts

Re "...Taylor, a 3rd year player, still won't answer to the media after games. He forces his teammates make up lame excuses for him by refusing any accountability..."
He doesn't have to do it, Redskins management won't require players to respond to the legitimate press (however irrating the questions or reporters may be). And, at today's salaries, why should there be a compulsion to do anything you don't get paid for?
what I find dumber is, and I know it's called advertising, is following the games when Sonny, etc. go to the locker room, after several quick questions/answers, we hear that a million dollar player is getting a DVD player from... or a gift certificate for a mattress, etc. You're paid well, you're a public figure supported by fans admissions, purchasing of merchandise, etc.; answer questions for the limited period necessary and be part of the public relations for the company that pays you and helps you get endorsements, etc.

Second:
I have no problem with Gibbs saying they need to look at the tape; on the field he gets an isolated perspective and may honestly need to get an overview because isolated images don't necessarily give the picture. But, it doesn't seem that there's any depth to the answers after the tape is reviewed.

Third:
And possibly ticking off Redskins fans, or Gibbs fans, if the Hall of Fame committee expected Gibbs to return to coaching, and didn't select him for the Hall when they did, considering his total record to date, would Gibbs get in as easily as he did? Or, based on the total record, not just his previous tenure, should he be in the hall or "just" be candidate along with many others?

Yes, I know Gibbs is a Hall of Fame coach, but it's getting tiring to hear Hall of Fame Coach Joe Gibbs this and Hall of Fame Coach Joe Gibbs that. Yes, he's a Hall of Fame coach based on what he did in a previous work period, he's now reemployed doing the same thing after an absence; instead of constantly referring to him as Hall of Fame coach, let's refer to him as what he is... Coach.

Posted by: Jeff | November 13, 2006 12:50 PM | Report abuse

We are watching a football-action version of the film "Bridge on the River Kwai". Except there is, unfortunately, no one playing William Holden's character (there could be if Gibbs takes a call from Beathard).

Posted by: BulletsFan | November 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there is nothing worse than a sacred cow - they poop all over the place and everyone has to say it smells sweet. We create our sacred cows and we certainly have one with Coach Joe.

Posted by: It's the Quarterback stupid | November 13, 2006 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Folks,

No manager worth his/her salt would ever air gripes about an employee (player) publicly. Gibbs and his staff are too classy for that. Behind closed doors, they all know what they did wrong.

How would you like it if your boss publicly scolded you in front of all your co-workers for putting the wrong cover on your TPS reports?

It's not going to happen with this staff.

None of this is to say that I excuse the ineptitude of this team or the lack of results from this staff. But stop looking for a public shaming, it won't happen and it shouldn't happen.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If they were at least fun to watch it wouldn't be so unbearable...but it's like looking at a slow train wreak where you can get out of the way and watch the car slowly get crushed...that's no fun. A long time ago I read where a coach said the following during a rebuilding period:

Season 1) Loose bad
Season 2) Loose good
Season 3) Win bad
Season 4) Win good

Other than a month-and-a-half last year it's been Loose bad. At least under "OSAKA" we scored points (even if it killed Ramsey).

Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

somebody get gilbert arenas a helmet. maybe he can revive the offense.

Posted by: tampadave | November 13, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Bulletsfan, at least the Bridge on the River Kwai gave us a song to whistle together. This team only induces wretching sounds.

Posted by: RedskinsDave | November 13, 2006 12:57 PM | Report abuse

:) @ it's the qb stupid. and i agree with the name too. it's the QB stupid!

a good QB will make a mediocre defense look good.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, as I said on the previous thread, it is not a reporter's job to "ask the tough questions". Their job is to find and report the truth, which Jason and Howard have done consistently.

The truth is what it is: this is a bad team, with poor management, and the wrong players. Once again, this organization fell for the trap of signing marquee free agents instead of growing the team from within. It's lather, rinse, repeat for the last 4 head coaches of this franchise.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Redskins is a very simple one. They do not have a clue how to handle personell management. Their owner is delusional and somehow thinks he can quick fix any problem. The key to building a winning franchise is to treat draft picks like they are gold. The Redskins with Snyder as an owner have consistently thrown picks away. As a prime example - To draft Campbell they gave up 3 draft picks. Those picks equate to the following players for Denver - CB Karl Payma and WR Brandon Marshall. Both have put up modest numbers and are primarily special teamers. Brandon Marshall does have a touchdown reception. However, we'll see in a year or two what they develop into. San Francisco ended up after a trade with Denver with LB Manny Lawson. Lawson has 32 tackles and 2 sacks. The Redskins compounded their bad personnel moves by trading up in the 2006 draft for Rocky McIntosh who has 0 tackles. This is a recurring theme with the Redskins. Do you realize what they gave up for Chris Samuels (at one point in time 4 starters on the 49ers including Julian Peterson). What do you think will happen to the third round pick they gave up for Duckett who doesn't even see the field?

Look at the team they lost to yesterday. I know most Redskin fans hate the Eagles, but how have they become a winning team? In case you do not realize it is through drafting and handling draft picks wisely. Want some examples - How about not listening to the media and fans and drafting McNabb over Ricky Williams? How about trading Aj Feeley to the Dolphins for a second round pick and using that pick to draft Reggie Brown. Over the last five years no team has had less draft picks than the Redskins. Their owner continues to believe he is a player or two away from 1982. He overpays free agents and throws draft picks away and the team continues to lose.

Posted by: Eaglesfan4life | November 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, the LBs that are named Marcus Washington are playing badly, too. He had 1 tackle yesterday. In fact, the only LB that bothered to show up was Holdman. That should speak volumes.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Hi Jason,

The 'skins need help at safety
Is Ifeanyi Ohalete available? Couldn't they bring him back?

Posted by: skins fan | November 13, 2006 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Eaglesfan4life is spot on.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

i think alot does fall on the coaches. why on every 3rd and 4, 3rd and 6 was rogers giving a 15 yard cushion? how many times did an eagles reciever run a 6 yard hitch or out to pick up the 1st down with the corner still 2 steps away.

how many times will saunders run a 1 yard pass on 3rd and 8? how many times will brunell throw a swing pass in the flat? didn't the skins bring in "much needed speed at receiver". why aren't we stretching the field? the one deep play to lloyd picked up 45. gee whodathunk it? and there was another play lloyd got open about 25 yards down field, inbetween the corner and safety, and brunell air mails it into the front row.

coaches call the plays, coaches make the lineup.

how about some bump and run. how about some mid range throws, deep throws. gee, when duckett ran for 12 up the gut, i said "finally...let's bring out the hammer". then what happens? off tackle...sweeps...throws in the flat. wet field, big back like duckett...smells like running it up the gut to me!

Posted by: big cushion | November 13, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

here's what I see on E10. I see that, if the season ended with tonight MNF game, the last wild card will be 5-4 (Philly, Dallas, Carolina, Atlanta). We'd be tied with Dallas, and below Philly at the moment. We still play the Iggles, Panthers, and Falcons, ALL AT HOME, IN A ROW. If we can squeak it out at Tampa like we did in the playoffs last January, we can have some momentum playing the 3 most critical games. and who knows?

think about it this way. when the skins were 5-6 last season, we were not as pessimistic as we are now, but truth be told, people were calling for changes across the board. and the team sucked it up and made a run. that is one thing this team is capable of doing: going on runs.

LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE GUYS: the cup is 1% full, not 99% empty!!!!!

Posted by: utter optimist | November 13, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

P. Diddy -

I don't think anyone wants to see Gibbs & Co. publicly excoriate anyone on the team..... However, many do feel (myself included) that Gibbs needs to sack Brunell like Bush sacked Rumsfeld. It's time for a fresh start and a new direction.

It'll be ok, though. Afterall, Brunell is already used to getting sacked......

Posted by: tigeruppercut | November 13, 2006 1:02 PM | Report abuse

when i said tied with dallas and below philly, i meant head to head....

Posted by: utter optimist | November 13, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Behind closed doors, they all know what they did wrong.

Diddy, i don't agree. i don't think joe thinks he did anything wrong by not having benched mark already. or even acquiring mark. even behind closed doors. he need not look far for an example...look at double G, he saw archie's play and benched him. and it resulted in only 1 big play. and it wasn't even #23's fault.

BUT if the switch doesn't happen this week, it's not going to happen in 2 more weeks. because they'll win in tampa. i guarandamntee it.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 1:03 PM | Report abuse

n case you do not realize it is through drafting and handling draft picks wisely

Eaglesfan4life,
biggest no sh!t. What do you think people have been screaming about on this blog all year?

The insane thing is, the only ones that don't realize this are the people running the organization.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Another comment, and then I need to head out into the Barcelona night for more food and wine...

St. Joe has said consistently that "Mr." Snyder has given him "everything that we could possibly want".

Now, I'm not a parent (that I know of). Nor do I hope to ever be a parent. But I do know this: when I was 13 years old and wanted that GI Joe Zartan action figure, my mom said "No, go get a job."

Which I did, and the rest is history.

Sometimes the boss has to say "No" so that you can appreciate the meaning of "Yes".

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

dealer, just because your team sucks doesnt meen you do(or do you)jm220 would know the anwser to that one(keep that to yourself)that would make the blog throw up!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Rob --

Czabe, for the most part, is a boob. The question to M-Bru re: sitting down to give Jason a chance was classless. What the heck did he expect M-Bru to say? There's a HUGE difference between a reporter stripping away the BS to get the real facts and being a boob. Czabe, when he actually gets the chance to be a reporter, is usually on the boob side of that line. JLC and the other Post reporters have proven this year that they are not afraid of asking the hard questions. But we should respect them for not sinking to Czabe's level and asking the idiotic, loaded ones. It's pointless and classless.

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 1:06 PM | Report abuse

tigeruppercut, you and I are totally on the same page. For no other reason than they need to know if they need to use their draft pick next year on a QB or not.

dealer, my personal conspiracy theory is that the entire coaching staff knows that they screwed up and Campbell can't play. I can't wait to be proven wrong.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Well I just wanna say.....oh wait a minute....I don't care.

If the players don't care why should I?

Posted by: Skinz | November 13, 2006 1:08 PM | Report abuse

We all have mentioned the problems the Skins have had through the years. I believe these are systematic of the flawed franchise construction. I created a roadmap that will bring the franchise back to one of the tops in the league. (I don't know if it'll add any value, but I'm considering it my personal therapy.)

The focus has to be about adding accountability through every stage of the franchise.

1. Hire a GM - This is tough, but necessary to split the player decisions from the coaching decisions. As Billick said, "owners own, players play, coaches coach, [etc.]" Clearly the franchise has no idea how to create a consistent winner. One strategy would be to benchmark against what NE does. There isn't enough of an emphasis placed on the characteristics that a young player trying to make the team, can bring. (It's tough for Carter to get to the QB when he's weighed down by his bonus check.) No franchise can be built and sustained with the approach the team is attempting to use now. Plus, a GM who is more detached from the player on a day-to-day basis, can more easily tell him reasons why he's being cut, or asked to restructure, or whatever.

2. Play JC and Rocky to get them some PT in the remaining games this year. This is a pretty common sense issue, but it's not like the Skins have mastered the obvious just yet.

3. Sit on it next year - no big signings, but be active in the FA market because there aren't draft picks to use to stock the roster. However, instead of throwing gobs of money at crappy top-tier FAs, sign the mid-tier FA's available that fit what you're doing. This involves actual homework and scouting...I'll get to that later.

4. Bring Joe/GWill/Big Al into the conference room, sit them down and tell them you expect more from a $10M+ coaching staff. If JC isn't ready to play...get him there. If Taylor is costing with big penalties...get him to stop. The accountability has to be pushed to the players as well. It's nice to stand up and say things start and end with the coach, but the rubber meets the road with the players. This comes back to the accountability issue, if any player (not just QB) isn't getting the job done, replace him if possible. Figure out ways of getting the job done instead of throwing your hands up and saying its the best we can do.

5. Take the excess $$$ not spent on top-tier FA's, and increase scouting and development budgets. This is about planning for the 2007 draft. Of course, this means Cerrato would have to be tossed as well. Players from schools across the country should be looked at. These scouts would then report to the GM, who develops a plan for how to improve the team the following year.

6. Build through draft - given the investment into scouting, the draft picks can't be used as trade fodder unless there is a current and overwhelming need for something not available via FA route.

Finally...

7. Don't be cozy with media - the fanbase is supporting the team and the source of the incredible revenues pulled in by the team. The cozy relationship with the chosen/owned media outlets, dilutes the fan-team interaction. Just as the everyone is accountable in the organization, the GM, owner and coaches have to be accountable to the fan base. This means not just appearing on company outlets, but on places where there are genuine give-and-take with the fans. Amazingly...the fans would think you're stand up if you give (some couched) honesty and actual thoughtful answers.

Lunch break is over...I'm done.

Posted by: B | November 13, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

If Campbell is in by the next home game, the fans should all boo. Boo the entire game until they make the change. Boo so much Joe won't even think about talking about how great the fans are.

Posted by: the Don | November 13, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure about that W in Tampa Bay. You've gotta figure the Bucs, hideous though they may be, remember the sting of the warm loogie of a certain Redskins player 11 months ago. That could be pretty motivating.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I know most Redskin fans hate the Eagles...

actually, they're at the bottom of my (a skins fan) totom pole of hate. it's dallas, ny and then philly. we much rather see philly win it than the other two.

and Rob, jason does ask hard questions but el presidente doesn't like answering them. so the reporters pretty much dance around the big fat white elephant most of the time. and they have too much respect/or are scared of snyder's wrath to follow up on gibbs bull shti answers. and now to that i'd say fellas we're right behind you. and you may badger the witness!

it's year 3 and all his plans have failed. the emperor is naked! boz, we want a column to send off gibbs!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If this keeps up, the Redskins will no longer be the most profitable team in the NFL. I'll always be a fan, but dang, this is ridiculous. Play calling, passing, covering; all the worst in the NFL. Put in Campell and Duckett and simplify the whole offensive scheme.

Posted by: Porcupine | November 13, 2006 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess we are all in agreement that yesterday sucked and they stunk up the joint. Changes have to come at QB now. Mark Brunell knows he sucks that's why he said to a Dallas player he needed that game to keep his job and that's why he is so upset when people ask him is he the qb for this team.
I'm a life long Redskins fan and will always pull for them but as long as that bum is starting I'll keep my mouth shut and won't stand for them. If coach Gibbs reads and knows everything then you should know if you dare put that bum on the field next week, then come the game back home the fans that do show up is going to make that bum wish you would have sat him on the bench

Posted by: Don Redskin | November 13, 2006 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Michael Pittman is an awful human being. I can't imagine any of his teammates trying to "defend his honor." Give me a break. He tried to run over his wife with a Hummer. Screw him. If Pittman is on the field, I hope Taylor spits in his face again.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?!?!"
Ouch, just strained it again.

Posted by: Groin Strain | November 13, 2006 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey a five game winning streak -- which the Skins proved last year was very doable for this team -- and we are a two game stretch against the Saints and the Jints from a possible playoff berth, as long as several other teams don't make 10 wins. It is too early to give up!!!!

Posted by: PigSkins | November 13, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

editor, i want to believe you very very badly for the sake of seeing JC in week 11. but double G is way too good against rookie qb's. which is a good thing but not in a sunk season needing a qb change.

diddy, ohh that! sorry. yeah, i think that's crossed our minds on this blog before. i think i'll just "spend more time with my family" next 5 years if that happens then.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

A quick cup of joe for Jack Kent Cooke. You actually posted the following:

"The fact that Marty put up 49 with a less talented offense should not arouse any ire."

So you favor Brunnell over Rivers? Portis over Tomlinson? Cooley over Gates? The Chargers have best in breed for RB and TE. Wake up.

Posted by: Diron Talbert | November 13, 2006 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Let's be real?

Do you mean real cynical?

Jason, yes the Redskins are bad this year, but you can put the whip down now.

Posted by: Let's be real? | November 13, 2006 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This is so depressing. We have to boo hard at the next home game or protest and not go to the game at all. Have them play in an empty stadium. Maybe then they'll get the point.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

*grabs pigskin by the throat and shakes him/her* COME HERE YOU!!!!!!!LITTLE!!!!!!!@#$%^&*!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

better sugar plumns and heath schullers than happy feet and brunell!! at least there would be potential hope!

Posted by: deadskin | November 13, 2006 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think that Gibbs no longer has what it takes to make an NFL team successful. Maybe he's gotten too old and has lost his edge; maybe he coached better when he was surrounded by the coaching staff and management he had during his first tenure. The only thing that he seems particularly successful at now is in keeping the players faithful to the system and preventing them from speaking out against it or against one another or against the coaches despite some of the most horrific of performances and questionable play-calling that often seems to defy the very system Saunders was allegedly supposed to bring to the team. This was supposed to be a complicated, high-flying deep attack offense, but they go deep maybe once or twice a game, if at all. Most skins fans seem to believe that the reason for that is Brunell doesn't have it in him to keep going deep several times in a game anymore, and as a result Saunders simply isn't calling the deep plays - which would be consistent with Saunders' statement at the beginning of the season re Brunell. If this is true, why hasn't Gibbs made the switch at QB? Maybe the switch would be risky, but what the hell - you're losing anyway, and it's not like you'd be risking someone's life. This is football.

Gibbs continues to keep Brunell in on the premise that he gives them the best chance to win. He seems to base this assertion on Brunell's superior experience. How is experience going to win the game if you no longer have the stamina and toughness to consistently either get the ball downfield or run for the first down if everybody's covered? That's Brunell of old, not the current one. True we've seen a flash here and there from him, and then he comes out and says "See? Nobody believed me." Got news for you - we still don't. We need a lot more of those flashes to have the kind of faith Gibbs has in you. If superior experience alone could get it done, why not bring back Theisman or Doug Williams?

Start JC. True, the failures haven't all been all Brunell's fault directly. But maybe if Campbell is in there, scrambling for the first downs, buying time and finding guys open deep downfield, maybe the rest of the team will respond to that. Maybe the defense will rediscover it's strengths and go fight to get the offense back out there to see the kid work his magic. Who knows?

Posted by: Sadfan | November 13, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Rob --

Czabe, for the most part, is a boob. The question to M-Bru re: sitting down to give Jason a chance was classless. What the heck did he expect M-Bru to say? There's a HUGE difference between a reporter stripping away the BS to get the real facts and being a boob. Czabe, when he actually gets the chance to be a reporter, is usually on the boob side of that line. JLC and the other Post reporters have proven this year that they are not afraid of asking the hard questions. But we should respect them for not sinking to Czabe's level and asking the idiotic, loaded ones. It's pointless and classless.

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 01:06 PM

CMoney- you nailed it. There is nothign wrong with asking about one's job securty and I ask pressing questions all the time, it's another lob a silly suggestion about someone effectively ending his career, walking out on his team and asking his coach to bench him. It is, without a doubt, the dumbest question I have ever heard asked of a pro athlete in 12 years of covering pro sports, and shows a complete lack of insight from the person asking the question.
What is Mark going to say?
It's really easy to lob the question over a TV feed from 150 miles away, with the guy asking the question never have asked a face-to-face question of any Redskin in his life. Also, his lack of tact has had a big time negative impact on Kelli, who covers the team for Comcast. She, is a real journalists who actually interacts with people and has to deal with the organization on a daily basis, and she was pretty fired up after this went down last night. She is paying the price for the ramblings of an ill-informed bozo.

I have a good relationship with Mark and was able to talk to him and get some actual insight into his thoughts on his job security and the reality of the situation, but there is a way to do things. Asking about it is most definitely a huge part of my job; asking someone if they want to voluntarily put their career in jeopardy and end a quality, 15 year career by asking your Hall of Fame coach to let you quit on your team is pathetic and leads to nothing. It's a nice ploy if the person asking the question is begging to be noticed, though.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 13, 2006 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Can we please get a G.M. with a resume and give him/her total automy from the owner. Teams of every sport need to be comprised of proven and unproven talent. That balance gives everyone somthing to play for as younger players try to break into the lineup and to one day get that big payday while fatcat vets try to hold on to their starting job. When big name Adam Archuleta gets benched in favor of big name Troy Vincent proper motivation gets lost.

Posted by: Hendog | November 13, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

It's a nice ploy if the person asking the question is begging to be noticed, though.

yep, but jason, you'd agree that in the longterm he's actually hurt his professional career.

also, i couldn't believe that she got mark to come on.

so who calmed kelli down? :))))))))

let's see if i was CSN whom i would keep happy czabe or a good reporter (on the move), smart, asks tough questions and knows how to(tact), and doesn't look all that bad infront of the camera?! hmmmmmmm let me think about t KELLI!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

>>> "nice ploy if the person asking the question is begging to be noticed"

Bingo.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Can someone go over press coverage with Rogers? Every game I've seen he plays off the received by at least 10 yards and always gets beat inside. I would think that a top 10 pick would have the speed to keep up with the receivers and wouldn't need to give up such a hugh cushion.

Posted by: David | November 13, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Do you think any GM with a nice resume would want to come here and work under Snyder? I highly doubt it but then again money talks.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 1:46 PM | Report abuse

come on guys dont be so negative,especially you dealer!! we can still make the playoffs.if all of us pray at the same time he has to listen.tonite at 9pm everyone say a prayer at same time and I promise the guys will fight theyre guts out.god bless

Posted by: gibbs | November 13, 2006 1:47 PM | Report abuse

While I watch other games around the league I've noticed that when the camera shots go to players benches there are usually alot of animated players...including that reciever in Dallas, discussing what and how to get things done on the field. I have vivid images of coaches and players getting in each others faces for both good and bad reasons...

When the camera hits the Redskins bench you usually see Brunell sitting off alone with a half smug smile on his face...(who knows what he's thinking about, probably thinking he'll be resigned complete with signing bonus for four more years)

Why is there no emotion on the Redskin Bench????

Posted by: CJCBNC < | November 13, 2006 1:49 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK
BUT Jason - what everyone really REALLY wants to know - did Howard bring you a sub?

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

quote we are a two game stretch against the Saints and the Jints from a possible playoff berth, as long as several other teams don't make 10 wins. It is too early to give up!!!! unquote
The Recreational Drug Use Code of Conduct requires that before you make statements of that sort you've got to share whatever it is you're smoking with everyone else!

Posted by: kurosawaguy | November 13, 2006 1:53 PM | Report abuse

And what kind of sub?

Hopefully not one of those crappy Subway jobbies. That would be a total cop out.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

After their 27-3 thumping by the Eagles on Sunday, the Redskins finally have reached the numb and disbelieving stage.

me too - Mr. Boswell - me too *sigh*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The preferred sub of the Skinz scribez is, if it's after payday, from Wegman's.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Jason-

Re the Steve Zaban question. I didn't catch that interview, but it does sound like it was a bit harsh of a question. I have a question though: Doesn't the media have a certain obligation to ask questions that reflect what people are thinking about and would like to have answered? A lot of Skins fans are pretty fed up with the QB situation and are thinking the same thing. The form of the question was blunt and harsh, but it sounds like it accurately ecoed what a lot of people wanted to hear.

The other side of it is, if Brunell was substantially upset by that question, maybe it will motivate him and the rest of the team to step it up and get some wins.

Posted by: Sadfan | November 13, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the only two people who think that Brunnell should continue being the QB are Gibbs and Brunnell. I was amazed that Brunnell was put back into the game after his interception!
They should start Thrash, Lloyd, Cartwright and Campbell just to get some new energy into the offense (as in offensive.) Brunnell is 2-6 (Dallas doesn't really count as a victory for him) and they only scored 3 points yesterday.
Geez.

Posted by: charlie | November 13, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

New interview with Brunell is up on redskins.com. No indication of a QB change. Not sure what that means. You would think St. Joe would have sat down with the players before they were to speak with the media if there was going to be a change...

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

...and also.

Can we stop getting submissions from people posing as Brunnell, Gibbs, etc. The first few times, it was funny but now it is cliched and old and stupid. PLEASE STOP!!!!

Posted by: charlie | November 13, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Football is a game that I choose every day to make a part of my life. That commitment is mine to make. No one is holding a gun to my head. I happen to love the Redskins even though they are horrendous right now. With that in mind, I find in more horrendous to see people taking pot shots and less than zero character assassinations regarding Gibbs and Brunell's Christianity repulsive and a solid reason to give those of you that do it the Mike and Mike "Just Shut Up" award. Their faith is one of the reasons I love this team as opposed to some of the other flashier "me-first" players and teams out there. It is why I cherish the Darrel Green's and Art Monks of the world because they were calm and acted like they had been there before. The whole religion sucker punch is a cowards way of saying "aaaah wahhhhh, Coach Gibbs won't give us what we want or think we need..." Grow up; Peter Pan, Count Chocula...... Gibbs is definitely accountable for horrendous personnel decisions, game decisions, team discipline and post game interviews... That said, his faith should not be the theme of pagan ridicule. Tolerance...right??? Or is that EXCEPT when it pertains to faith???

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Start Campbell, Make Thrash the #2 receiver, Run Betts and Duckett, Use Randel-El as a 3rd down back, Never throw more than 1 screen pass per game, Never punt, Never kick a field goal, Sit Carter and Daniels and Wynn, Start McIntosh, Tell Taylor they will steal his SUV if he gets beat deep again, Use Rogers and AA for corner/safety blitz purposes only, Never wear white on white again, ever. Oh yeah, and hire a GM

Posted by: the fixer | November 13, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy-"How would you like it if your boss publicly scolded you in front of all your co-workers for putting the wrong cover on your TPS reports?"

The difference is we don't perform our job in a public forum. If we did and we messed up in public, we deserve to be criticized. We also aren't partially supported financially by the public. Gibbs has no trouble PRAISING them in public, so why can't he be critical of them. It's called accountability, my friend and not being a hypocrite.

Posted by: Green Baby G. | November 13, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read who took pot shots. I'll say this though Grump, if he feels extra loyalty to Brunell as a result of faith then he's just wrong.

As for Czabe, that guy is an ass for asking that. I wonder how he'd feel if Brunell asked him if he would step down if CSN found a real reporter to replace him?

Posted by: Skinz | November 13, 2006 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Complete Shabingus right now on this blog. No one knows what we're evening talking about right now. It's because you have to make things up when you lose 27-3 to a divisional opponent.

I can't believe that Czazcabe has us talking about him again. It's the Howard Stern Model: you say shocking things so that you're supporters/detractors listen to what you'll say next. A sportstalk guy is making headlines. THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. He is the mayor of Choochtown. Skinz hit it on point. 'Czabe, will you go to your producer and ask to step down because the graduate intern Darren from AU deserves a chance to be on a post game show.' What a chooch.

At least the newer version of york giants got stomped last night. We can delay the ball-washing of emanning.com for another 7 days it seems. I hate that dude.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 13, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Charlie-
This is Coach Gibbs. You seem like a nice young man, stop on by the park today, we've got some leftover Popeye's chicken I think you might be interested in.

Posted by: Coach Gibbs | November 13, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

As classless and rude as czabans question(s) was/were, I could not help but laugh out loud. I mean from 1-6pm I couldn't hate anyone in the world more than I was hating Brunell. However MB is a classy guy who does play hard for the skins and I did feel a little bad for him.

Listening to Czaban on the radio for the last however many years, I've realized that Czaban talks a lot of isht for someone who looks like he couln't play a physical sport for crap. It gets on my nerves when reporters and journalists feel like they can kill professional athletes (Stephen A. Smith) when they've done what in their professional athletic careers? The first time I ever saw Czaba on post-game live I could not help and crack up at his goober looking self. However I do appreciate and agree with many of the things that he says, because a lot of times his emotions are very representative of those of the fans.

Posted by: poop | November 13, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Howard stepped up big. Instead of getting Weggie wit it and getting a sub there, I suggested he owed me Chick Fil'A since I went above and beyond driving him on in the rain.
He got lost once but stuck it out, found the Chick and delivered still warm sandwiches and fries.
Who does not love the waffle fries and chicky sammies there?
I say Wendy's chicken sammie is second best; some of my media brethren say Wendy's is best.
Howard, bless his New England soul, has never had Chick Fil'A, and went to the Golden Arches for his lunch. Didn't bother even trying the Chick Fil'A. Dude don't know what he's missing.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 13, 2006 2:41 PM | Report abuse

come on guys dont be so negative,especially you dealer!! we can still make the playoffs.if all of us pray at the same time he has to listen.tonite at 9pm everyone say a prayer at same time and I promise the guys will fight theyre guts out.god bless

Posted by: gibbs | November 13, 2006 01:47 PM

This is the light weight version, but Czaban does it, and many of the others who can't bust Gibbs and Brunell out for their football ineptitude seem to collapse on the faith jokes and should instead just focus on the horrendous performances and leave it at that. Gibbs cannot keep this up and maintain the fan base nor can Brunell keep this up and hvae the loyalty of the team.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS I agree with you 100%. That's why during lunch I didn't post anything. How many times can we say we suck let's see Campbell?

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Grumplestilskinn:

Where have you heard Gibbs and Brunell being criticized for being Christians? When Brunell first came to the team I heard something about that being a large part of their friendship, and some folks said it had the potential for bias, but I don't really hear that so much these days. I've been away from the blogs for a while though, so maybe I missed it there.

Posted by: Sadfan | November 13, 2006 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It is unfortunate, the insinuations an the comments range from benign to malignant. The prayer jokes are weak, and fairly harmless, but there were others recently where the discussion was brought up about the diabetes fainting spell and the whole prayer thing, plus Mclean Bible Church etc became a joke laying the blame on this game not being church but football. Like I quoted in the other blip, it ranges... it is like a scab that is picked over and over and it just never heals. Anyways, people have the right to say whatever they want to say. I will fight to the death for their right to be wrong. But I can say I do not agree.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Grumplestilskinn- How much longer you going to dwell on it? If it bothers you that much maybe you should move on?

Posted by: Richard Cranium | November 13, 2006 3:02 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

My dear blogger lovelies ... ever watched a cat sitting near a window watching another stranger cat outside? The inside cat at the window gets aggitated watching the stranger cat encroaching on HIS territory ... his tail starts twitching, ears lay back, low growls commence ... when all of a sudden the indoor cat's sibling sister chooses to walk by at that very moment. What happens is a phenomenon called "displaced aggression" where the indoor boy cat at the window takes out his aggression towards the outdoor strange cat on his sibling sister. Poor little sibling sister gets mauled and runs away hiding ... or fights back depending on her mood at the time of the displaced aggression.

Do we have any indoor males here needing to displace aggression? How about a hug instead

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Grumplestilskinn, I'll pray for you.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | November 13, 2006 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Reading 3 Tottenham 1

At least someone's playing well. Good game for Hahnemann too from what I understand from a buddy who was one of the lucky ones to get into the stadium.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Correction, Dallas was medicore team with Bledose at quaterback not with Romo. I would advise Gibbs to make the quaterback cha nge. Brunell leaves to many yards o n the field.

Posted by: Jerry | November 13, 2006 3:11 PM | Report abuse

No Mas.... The horse is dead... and, for D. Head... if you ain't digging my stuff the door swings both ways... oh my, now that does open a whole new mode of foolishness doesn't it!!! lol, No Mas...

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"if you ain't digging my stuff the door swings both ways"

Grumplestilskinn, we're all in this together. Let us join hands and pray.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | November 13, 2006 3:15 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect Charlie, that's just folks expressing humorously what seem to be the highly incongruous perceptions of reality coming out of Ashburn. I don't think anyone seriously believes that these blomments are coming from those guys. Just as I sincerely doubt anyone ACTUALLY thinks I'm Rich Milot.

In case anybody's wondering, I'm not.

#57

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I spoke to a friend who lives in Buffalo a few minutes ago and he made the comment to me that "be careful whatcha wish for, you just might get it" ala JP Losman.... I "pray" the Jason Campbell verzion is a lot better... "God Knows" that the Bills have a lot to reflect on in light of that missed field goal... that city is still haunted by Norwoods miss... (He even gets sensitive when we discuss the Caps beating his resurgent Sabres to go to the Finals eons ago....)

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Grumplestilskinn- That comment wasn't very Christian like. I will pray for you as well my brother.

Posted by: Richard Cranium | November 13, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Joe, let's do this!!! lol

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:19 PM | Report abuse

1. Brunell is ill-suited to the offense. That's what ails the Skins. And what makes Campbell's benching so puzzling. When Gibbs brought in Saunders, he should have thought hard about the compatibility of the system to the skills of the QBs on hand.

2. The free agent strategy has failed. Too costly in cap and picks. At least the inevtiable draft busts are cheap.

3. Training camp was soft.

4. Players came in with false confidence and bloated expectations.

5. Cumulative losses and missteps in the defensive backfield -- Fred Smoot, Antonio Pierce, Ryan Clark, Pierson Prioleau, Omar Stoutmire. AJ Hawk is a starter for New England (6-3). RW McQuarters is a starter for the Giants (6-3).

On and on.

BUT. Fixing #1 could be the answer to the whole thing. The Patriots were a losing team under Bledsoe, and the same team won the Super Bowl with Brady.

Posted by: Enthused4Theisman | November 13, 2006 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mr Cranium... What ails me cannot be solved by simple prayer, but requires a time machine to go back to the Riggo days.... lol, good call.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, J-La, Chick-Fil-A trumps Wendy's. I can't believe that's even a discussion. It's not even close. The only horse that Wendy's has in the race is the Spicy Chicken sandwich -- but it's still doesn't match up to anything at Chick-Fil-A. And the waffle fries are gold, my friend. Gold.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Fire Gibbs!!

Posted by: George | November 13, 2006 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Gibbs came back and one of the burning questions was: "How will he deal with an era of free agency? Will he know what to do?". The image that came to mind was that Gibbs was like some grandfather-type holding a "free agency" I-Pod scratching his head and wondering what to do with it. Well, what we are seeing on the team is the total opposite: Free Agency Overdose. The image is the sheltered child who finally goes off to college and tries everything he can get his hands on. Someone needs to intervene and let Gibbs know that Free Agency kills!

Posted by: pfunk | November 13, 2006 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Grumple, get a grip, buddy.

1. This is an opinion blog. People are allowed to have opinions on all aspects of the Redskins

2. As such, if the Redskins are making lineup decisions based on the religion or religiousness of their players, that is an antiquated, and here, a detrimental approach -- one ripe and ample for ridicule

3. Brunell's and Gibbs' religious common ground ought not to blind Gibbs to MB's inability or unwillingness to throw long or to the middle of the field

We need a QB and a coach, not a pastor and and a saint. This is not a crusade.

Seems to me anyway

#57

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

fire carlos rogers!!!!

Posted by: vinny cerrato | November 13, 2006 3:36 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, the point i was trying to make was not about how the white uni's suck, its that they shouldnt be concerned with how they look when they are this bad. I wouldnt care if they went out dressed like the hoggettes if they were a winning team. These guys shouldnt either. Also, the fact that Gibbs lets this happen and caves to his players demand in spite of all the problems they have is a sign as to who is running the asylum

Posted by: Jack | November 13, 2006 12:18 PM

I will take this a step further: Why did we start with the white on white anyway? Because we were winning and the uni change became synonymous with the winning streak.

Well, guess what? Now it's synonymous with a 3-6 season.

I'm not advocating a full uniform/logo change, but the following teams have found success after doing so:

Denver Broncos (logo/uni change)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (color/logo/uni change)
New England Patriots (logo/uni change)

It could be said that other teams have had minor logo changes as well: Philadelphia, St. Louis, Seattle

I may be reaching here, but I can tell you if I'm getting beat down week after week (barring the odd miracle finish) I sure wouldn't want to show up in the same uniform I took the beating in over and over again.

Personally, I think it's time to go back to the 2002 jerseys again. Or something different at least.

Who makes the decision on what uniform gets worn anyway?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I would love to punch Vinny and Dan right in the face!!!!!!

I would let Gibby go, unharmed, if he gave me his resignation... if he refused, IN THE FACE!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Can the time machine take me back to a time when Rich Milot was relevant? You are right... it is an opinion blog... I guess sports is the last bastion of employment purity where performance is the only thing that should get you the job. I can't think of anywhere else that is the case anymore. Good call #Cinco Siete !

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:43 PM | Report abuse

AHS,

I'm surprised Gibby doesn't pull over the team bus and ask the fans which uniform to wear...

Honestly, I think it was decided by a team vote...

T-minus 1 hour to boring press conference number 1,324 in a row...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Re: So you favor Brunnell over Rivers? Portis over Tomlinson? Cooley over Gates? The Chargers have best in breed for RB and TE. Wake up.

When you add Moss, Lloyd, and ARE to Portis and Cooley you have a more talented offense on the whole. For some reason defenses can't stick 8 in the box, double Gates and shut down LT... its cuz they are better coached.

There is NO defense alive should shut down this offense, were it not for the coaching. The coaching keeps Brunell in games, runs CP like he was built like Riggins, and wastes players like Portis. Sellers, Cooley, ARE, Lloyd and Moss.

If Marty went 8-3 with Tony Banks and Mike Westbrook, what could he do with our offense?

Posted by: Jack Kent Cooke | November 13, 2006 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs, the NFL equivalent of George W. Bush, needs a new approach, a fresh perspective. Unlike Dubyah, he just doesn't realize it yet.

And if I see another picture of Gibbs standing by himself on the sideline, not talking to anybody, spitting out pieces of his broken luck, I am going to scream.

Posted by: Michael Boyd | November 13, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

i really think that it's czabe's fault if joe doesn't change QB's. what an F-ing idiot!

seriously i think czabe choked. he didn't know they were going to get brunell and when they did he completely choked. instead giving criticism or getting answers or "no comment" he insulted gibbs' boy and gibbs!!!!!!!!!!!

F!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gibbs might just stick it to us and leave him in there for the rest of the year.

F!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Fast Food Hierarchy. These rankings may be skewed because a) I don't like french fries b) I have a visceral, negative reaction to ketchup and c) I haven't tried Chick-Fil-A

1. Arby's: "roast beef" processed beyond recognition, actually quite tasty.

2. Wendy's: good all-around choice -- good burgers, good chix sandwiches. The gold-packet chili seasoning is really good -- i've actually sucked down packets of the stuff by themselves.

3 (tie). BK: Whopper is an excellent sandwich; the Stackers seem to be a temporary thing. Fish and chicken sandwiches are just bad though. Unfortunately, the onion rings are no more appealing than the fries.

3 (tie). Sonic: A number of different burger choices, many of which are tasty and decently priced, but I can actually feel my arteries clogging when I eat there.

4. McDo's: Big Mac is a HOF'er, breakfast is good, but the BEST thing is the new sweet tea.

5. Hardee's/Jack in the Box: an inferior version of Wendy's combined with Sonic

Now I'm getting hungry

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"I'm surprised Gibby doesn't pull over the team bus and ask the fans which uniform to wear..."

So THAT's why he apologized, now I get it.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

This sux. Isn't there someone we can make fun of?

I guess we can start talkin food. I've been averaging 5lb additions annually since college, so I think that gives me an intermediate level of knowledge in the culinary arts and fast food quality. I'll provide a ranking and apply the food performance to a Redskin this season. I'll try to stick w/ places possessing a fast food window.

Chick Fil'A - 6 out of 10 for fast food joints. You must go to a stand alone restaurant though. For some reason, Food Courts ala Malls & Airports suck. Columbia Mall is a perfect example. Knock of a point just for that storefront. Reminds me of Santana. A lot of great memories, but sometimes not utilized right to the point of outright disrespect.

McGonads - 2. They've gone down hill since the Big Mac. Tried to bounce back w/ the Mcgriddle, but out comes "Super Size Me". The best thing to happen to them was Chipotle (CHIP-OAT-LAY btw). Oh, and their limited "Late Night" menu in College Park Saturday at 2am after Bentley's was pathetic. Had to get a McChicken sandwich. Wasn't to happy about that after avoiding tasers and angry frat guys for 11 hours. Golden "Arch"uletta of Fast Food, but I'd rather be punting a nasty cold double cheese right now.

Roy Rogers - Gold Rush...need I say more? 6. Clinton Portis. So much potential, but getting a little banged up nowadays.

Wendy's - 5 - Suspect quality on the second tier stuff, but a solid burger and a good fry. I think their cheese comes from Wisconsin too! Frosty's make this D-Frost. I go to this often after 3 straight runs, but the cold fries gotta stop.

Arby's - ahhh...now we're talking. A mean sandwich, no horse meat burgers, silly curly fries, and a top 5 shake. Never really had a bad experience here. 7. #45. Really fight there guts out.

BK - HAVE IT YOUR WAY, baby! Burger King has been running away with it lately! Lettuce, tomatoes, fresh charbroiled beef!!! YUM! Good Chick too! 7.5. Reminiscent of the cheerleading staff. Only 3 have been fired this year due to Cooley, and no matter what the record, they're still happy.


Keep in mind, Five Guys, Mama Lucia, Chipotle, are not in this class of classless fast food. They are the 3 VL Troph's though.

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 13, 2006 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Ali - huge W for Reading, indeed. Bobby Convey sent back to the States to "rest" does not sit well with me, though. I am worried about his knee and hope this is not something serious.
Sidwell is a stud in their midfield. Marcus is a tough cookie. I like Lita and Doyle, too. They like to attack. Fun outfit to watch all around.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | November 13, 2006 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Campbell could suck. But then we would know. Brunell may not be JP Losman bad, but he's obviously not the answer for next year. And the team can't be so stupid as to throw Campbell to the wolves next year with NO in-game snaps (even Rivers got a few snaps last year).

And heaven forbid Cerrato saying to Dan this offseason: "Hey, Kerry Collins is available." That would be really, really bad.

Chick-Fil-A rules. EAT MOR CHIKIN

Posted by: tallbear | November 13, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

dealer is right on.....czabe has toooo much press... what an imbecile....if we are stuck with Brunell...provided we continue to watch... Czabe certainly added to the "I will not be dictated to" mentality most guys feel when someone is trying to force their hand... in this case...it may be the entire Wash Met area trying to get Gibbs to listen... How many vets do you think are yearning to see what the kid can do?

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | November 13, 2006 3:59 PM | Report abuse

i don't know guys. you heard it here first from jason(of this blog) a month ago. TRENT GREEN, your next year's QB. it just doesn't look good any which way you look at it. scary, very scary.


Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's what should be discussed: where does the bulk of the blame lie? Vinnie? Danny Boy? Saint Joe?

Posted by: Cane | November 13, 2006 4:07 PM | Report abuse

And I agree with Ricky Bobby (I think it was him) who is demanding an apology from St. Joe to each of us who is having to take a beating on behalf of our team today.

Had a VP (Bears fan) make a comment in a strategy meeting today along the lines of "we wouldn't want to screw this up like the Redskins" to which another Director, an Eagles fan, snickered.

This is too much.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Order of blame:

1. Gibby
2. Snyder
3. Vinny (last b/c he's a cracked out retard and deserves a little more slack because of it)

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

WHERE IS OUR TEAM???

I take back my Raiders comment from last week. I watched them v. the Broncs and you know what at least they had some fire.

It's one thing to be bad in so many areas, to have so many personnel problems, to have injuries and on and on.

But don't these guys have ANY sense of pride? JlaC do you agree with TBoz's comments on the locker room after the game?

I watch this team and I don't feel like most of them care all that much. You don't see it in their eyes, you don't see it on the sidelines, you don't see it in the body language. CP and Moss are the main exceptions.

These guys are professionals and they're playing like a bunch of chumps. They're salary is dependent on chumps like us showing up every week, buying tickets, jerseys, NFL Sunday Ticket etc. etc. Do they feel any shame for shoveling a heaping, steaming, stinking pile of isht on the field every week?

Let's be honest we looked good against Houston which is like saying John Travolta is a good dancer compared to Jerry Springer. JAX game was a train wreck minus a couple good plays by Moss. Dallas was a fluke (I LOVED it don't get me wrong) but we look bad every flingin flangin week!

Who'se gonna step up and show up on the field and do something other than cheap penalties, missed tackles and failed red zones drives?

Anyone at Redskins Park have an answer? Anyone? Anyone listening? Anyone? Or is everyone counting their millions?

I hate today.

Posted by: sfskin | November 13, 2006 4:15 PM | Report abuse

1. Snyder (for not giving gibbs a strong personnel person and giving into the demands of gibbs for total control)
2. Gibbs (for letting his ego get in the way of team's well being and future).

jason, who asked the jason campbell question to mark brunell?

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:15 PM | Report abuse

After the game, my boy Bourbon Rick called 411 and asked for "Mark Brunell" in "Great Falls, VA".

We are not good. The blog will be retired soon until next season I am sorry to say. Nothing left to talk about.

Posted by: The Governor | November 13, 2006 4:16 PM | Report abuse

AHS,

Yep, I've been getting it all day long. And if things weren't bad enough on the field, I also take beatings from friends/co-workers on TomKat, Wild World or whatever Snyder decided to buy, him being an idiot, you name it. Can't take it anymore.

JG, will be awaiting my/our apology in 30 minutes.

Now, if he also apologizes to Dan/Vinny, I might be on my way down to Redskin Park to start a revolt.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

1. Snyder (for not getting rid of Vinny and getting a real GM)
2. Vinny (He knows he'll be the odd-mann out, but he won't say anything. He needs a paycheck, too).
3. Gibbs (Hay, Snyder called him)

Posted by: John from Herndon's Heart | November 13, 2006 4:18 PM | Report abuse

If you feel like blaming somebody, we've got just the poll question for you:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/12/AR2006111200700.html

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 4:19 PM | Report abuse

1. Wendy's
2. Popeye's Chicken
3. Roy Rogers (where available)
4. Chik-fil-a

Posted by: John from Herndon's Heart | November 13, 2006 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The best part of the game was the 3 minutes directly after I yacked on the tv screen. For those sweet sweet moments, I was able to imagine what my "mighty" Skins were doing to the iggles. It was a thing of beauty - wish you all could have seen it.

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Refuse to eat Popeyes and/or Papa John's from here on out. Wonder what the official chinese restaurant of the Washington Redskins is so I can stop eating their too.....

LOOOOOOOOOOVE THAT CHICCCCKKKENN FROM POPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYEEEEES!!!!

Who else wants to blow their brains out every time you hear that over the PA at FedEx?

As far as other fast food joints go, I am very partial to Wendy's and Subway. EAT FRESH!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I just looked at the results of the aforementioned poll - I'm not sure the blame lies with Danny Boy. All he wants to do is win. And, while the head honcho is ultimately to blame, I would much rather have an owner who is willing to spend the money to win than one who is not.

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Nothing that happened yesterday depressed me more than Todd Collins warming up on the sideline. You're down 27-3 in the 4th quarter. What on earth are you salvaging, besides Brunell's ego, by putting Collins and not Campbell in?

Mercifully the Eagles went ahead and ran the ball on a 9 minute drive to save us that embarrassment. We don't even trust our "QB of the future" enough to lose games.

-Scared Fan.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | November 13, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the poll tip -- I voted for the second place group, the players who are narrowly trailing Mr. Snyder. Well, that made me feel a little better.

Until I read the associated article about LA and the traffic I got stuck in last weekend at midday on a Sunday trying to get north on the 5. No wonder people get shot on those freeways.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I hope the earlier comments from J-LA poo-pooing Czabe were from an imposter.

Come on JLA. We ALL want a shot at Brunel. We don't owe him anything. He is a stubborn LOSER. Just like Gibbs. You guys owe it to your constituents (US) the fans and readers of the WA-PO, and watchers of Comcast sports) to ask what WE want to know. Czabe did his part, and so did Ken Harvey, who gets no bad pub, but bascially asked Brunel if he was trying to do things his body could not, and asked him if his body and mind were afraid of hits! Who's questions were worse!!

So take it easy on your oh so holier than thou crap and start asking the tough questions. Unless you already know the answers.

Posted by: JLA Impersonator | November 13, 2006 4:34 PM | Report abuse

quote from the brunell presser:

"touchdowns are not as important as turnovers" basically "touchdowns are overrated" LOL! a la "leadership is overrated"
haa haa haa...sorry...it's getting funnier by the second. ohh god i'm going to cry.

and smack, and sucks, i responded to you guys but the blogger software ate my reply...ohh well.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:35 PM | Report abuse

1. Hire a real GM.
2. Fire Cerrato
3. Start the "Kid"
4. Give Brunnel his gold watch & bid him adios.
5. Too many chiefs, not enough indians.
6. Too many over-payed, non-team, "all about ME" guys on this team.
7. Punter: punk.
8. Kicker: krap.
9. Go back to the burgundy pants & white shoes.
10. The soap box is vacated, Elvis has left the building.
11. NEXT!

Posted by: triplz | November 13, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

JLa,

The more I think about the Czabe question, the more I think you are right... to a point.

What angers me is that Napolean, I mean Snyder, is such a sensitive baby that I can see him threatening to pull the plug on access for Comcast if they don't fire Czabe. You know, kind of like they pulled the WP tickets and cut off close to all ties with 980.

Can you see the Giants doing that to the Daily News or local talk radio? HAAAA

Maybe if Napol... sorry, I mean Snyder, and the rest of the team worried more about on the field stuff, and less about what's being said in the papers and media, we wouldn't be 3-6 with no future.

And one more word about Napol... damn, did it again. How classy of him to refuse to talk to the media because the poor baby was made fun of. I remember doing that to Jack Stanley back in the 3rd grade when he called me a meany head. Is he successful, yes... but unfortunately he's also successful running this organization into the ground, then refusing to speak about it like I did with Jack Stanley back in 3rd grade. It's a sad state of affairs when our owner takes advantage of his fans loyalty and charges an arm and a leg like a grown-up, but then runs like a school boy when he's criticized. What a joke.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is starting next week.

Posted by: DK | November 13, 2006 4:41 PM | Report abuse

They just said Jason Campbell will start on Sunday

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Impersonator,

What are you talking about? How is asking a competitor to basically quit the same as asking if his body is breaking down?

As I said, if Brunell asked Czabe when he was quiting his job so that a real sportscaster could take his place, how would that be interpretted.

That question should be asked of Gibbs not Brunell. It was bush-league and asked for the shock value. I put him in the same category as Jim Rome now. At least Rome has the balls to ask someone that to his face.

Posted by: Skinz | November 13, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

sorry forgot about the poll:
1. wendy's (#6 i think)
2. chik (#1)

and then everyone else far behind.

and who put al saunders on that poll? i demand al saunder's name be taken off the ballot. it'll be like Obama running as independent if he doesn't get the Dem nomination in 2008. maybe he's(AS) incompetent but who hired him?

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

breaking news jason will start sunday

Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2006 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Did I just HEar JC is getting the Nod??

From Riggo's Show........

Posted by: 4th | November 13, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

EDITOR, CAN YOU CONFIRM??????????????

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

editor, GOSHDARNIT!!! you better not be doing your real job!!!! we need confirmation!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

O Happy Days. I do a protest of this blog, and all of sudden, my prayers are answered.

ESPN news broke it...

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK
JC is starting next week!!! Can I get an AMEN?

*hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!!

I care less if we lose the last 7, at least now we can get a look at Campbell and prepare for next season and beyond.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting JC is starting!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | November 13, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting JC is starting!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | November 13, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting JC is starting!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | November 13, 2006 4:47 PM | Report abuse

'Tis true. Gibbs will be confirming in his presser shortly.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | November 13, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

ESPN broke the news.

All it took was a protest by me of this blog to do it :-)..

O Happy Days....
O Happy Days....

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

JM, DK, anonymous: where are you getting this? We went through this two weeks ago (remember, when that anonymous tipster actually convinced some ESPN guy), I got excited and then disappointed. do you have any source other than the dictates of common sense?

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Christmas, Kwanza, Hanukkah came early????

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post ya'll

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | November 13, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This is the very 1st presser of the year that I am amped up for...

Posted by: 4th | November 13, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

God I hate my life. I can't shake the stink of failure. Worst.Life.Ever.

Posted by: Dan Shanoff | November 13, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

HALE LU YAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THERE IS GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUAH!!!!!!!! @ SMACK, MEGSKIN, JM, EDITOR, JASON...
I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:50 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

THEY'RE MAKING THE MOVE TO CAMPBELL....

I'll pass along more as it becomes available.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, Gibbs must go:(

Posted by: Stro | November 13, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Losing gets easier every time you do it. If you are singing in the shower and laughing and joking with the opponents after the game, then something is wrong.

The players feel more and more entitled. It becomes easier to blame the coach, the ref's, the offensive scheme, excuses, everywhere. Mark Brunel was incredibly surprised and hurt about an "unprofessional" question about whether he would consider stepping aside for Campbell. But should he be so surprised? He is failing at something he is paid millions of dollars to do.
Is he a team player, would he consider doing what is best for the team? Why is the question so shocking? His performance by all measurable standards is terrible, and his role of LEADER is clearly going unmet, otherwise we would see him exhorting his teammates and elevating his own level of play.

Posted by: SlipperySlope | November 13, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!!

I care less if we lose the last 7, at least now we can get a look at Campbell and prepare for next season and beyond.

Ricky Bobby you are out of control but I agree 100%

Coach Joe just said there is a change

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs - (paraphrasing) 'It's all 53 of our players, These decisions are mine, I need to take the heat, That being said; I will announce a change of QB. But, it's on me. All 53 of us are in it. HAving said that, I need to make the moves best for us to win.'

Geez, you think?

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs - (paraphrasing) 'It's all 53 of our players, These decisions are mine, I need to take the heat, That being said; I will announce a change of QB. But, it's on me. All 53 of us are in it. HAving said that, I need to make the moves best for us to win.'

Geez, you think?

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

why is everybody so excited? brunell has good composure in the pocket, hits the open man down field and can escape any rush thrown at him. he can throw a hell of a screen pass and has great arm strength, plus he really fights his guts out and is super smart.

Posted by: vinny cerrato | November 13, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh my gosh. It's true.

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

1. JC
2. MB
3. Todd Collins

and "we think highly of Todd, very unfortunate that we didn't get to see todd play"

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Link please.

Posted by: Skinz | November 13, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It's about time. Of course Mark and Todd wouldn't be happy, but here we go.

I just hope that all of us who have called for this (myself included) are right. Let the Jason Campbell era begin baby!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 4:54 PM | Report abuse

this might have already been said but...

Gregg Williams needs to go. He doesn't have the personnel. His system is always on the brink of failure even when he does have the personnel. Just because he has a system doesn't make him coach material. Taylor has personal issues that are effecting his play. Williams needs see that. I definitly don't want Williams has head coach someday.

Posted by: will | November 13, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

skinz, if you can just watch the www.redskins.com presser of gibbs...going on right now.

otherwise me thinks that cindy's working on the story.

"...so we can get more production"

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"we weren't nearly as productive in the second half" - - right, cause we were so productive in the first.

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujia!

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 4:56 PM | Report abuse

MUAH!!!!!!!! @ SMACK, MEGSKIN, JM, EDITOR, JASON...
I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO! Thank you Coach Joe. Now I can watch football again this year.

Posted by: JM220 | November 13, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I feel like the dems just won control of congress again!

Posted by: Happyfan | November 13, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs just announced Campbell as the starter. FINALLY. I know the problems go far beyond the QB performance to this point but it's a start in the right direction to try and get more production on the offensive side of the ball.

Way to go coach Gibbs. Keep the changes coming. Sure it should've been done sooner but finally the move is being made.

Posted by: Jonathan | November 13, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad we're reduced to seeing a dude play who hasn't taken a snap in a regular season game in his life. And yet, I was shouting in my car when I heard JC's gonna start. I hope this is a shot in the arm that could help the whole team. I hope Gibbs didn't work him up so he feels like he'll lose his job if he tries to chuck it downfield.

Posted by: B | November 13, 2006 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Will - Where have you been for the last 10 mins??

JC will be playing. That's all that matters for the next hour (at least??).

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I'M SOOOOOOOOO HAPPYYYYYYYYY RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY!
wow! MUAH! @ MV DAME, skinz, haiku!
i love you all.

and looks like ND has the inside track to the championship game. huh dame?

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 4:59 PM | Report abuse

BRING BACK BRUNELL!!!!!!!!!!! he really fights his guts out!!!

Posted by: vinney cerrato | November 13, 2006 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"what was Jason's reaction when you told him"

Most likely he was worried about who would hold his clipboard.....what kind of question is that?!

Posted by: mile high | November 13, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Joe say there were two announcements he wanted to make? What was # 2?

I'm thinking we get a new uniform this weekend too -- sweet!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:02 PM | Report abuse

It feels like the day they brought Gibbs all over again. I need a drink.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

On Rypien: He wasn't very mobile and threw a wobbly ball.... LOL

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys.

Posted by: Skinz | November 13, 2006 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"todd said 'i don't agree, but i understand coach'"

SHUT UP TODD!!!! go away! okay we need to buy todd lunch. he's kinda soured by this.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I am just sooo happy right now. Let's see what the kid can do. JLC you got to speak to Campbell and get his feel.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

funniest question:
reporter to gibbs: IS AL GOING TO HAVE TO SCALE BACK FOR JASON (CAMPBELL)?

LOL!!!!!!!!!! OMG! i'm so giddy!

he had to be joking! scale back? from what? dinks and dunks? lateral passes?

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:06 PM | Report abuse

new phrase.....

"we're going to support him out there"

said it about 3,000 times already in 7 minutes.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

as i was typing the news came out. i am gonna take the dayoff and go spread the good word! Jason Campbell!!!

Posted by: will | November 13, 2006 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Did Gibbs say who will be the #2 and who will be the #3 on game day? thanks.

Posted by: 48-3 | November 13, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Chucky and Co. are scrambling for preseason film now.....

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

oh lord, Gibby implied that MB could be back in the future after he gets some rest...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 5:08 PM | Report abuse

This should feel familiar to Campbell -- two big running backs to hand off to. Any passing that needs to be done, Randle El can do.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Not happy. This feels like giving up on the playoffs this year. Is it really possible a QB who has never played a down in the league will string together seven wins? Especially with Portis out, so Ds can key on the QB? Because that is what it is going to take people, seven wins. I just hope Brunell keeps his head in the game to come in and pull out a couple close ones if Campbell starts to struggle...

Posted by: PigSkin | November 13, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh my....I can't believe it. Thank Gawd.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

1. JC
2. MB
3. Todd Collins

and "we think highly of Todd, very unfortunate that we didn't get to see todd play"

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 04:54 PM

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

48-3,
#2 is Mark Brunell
#3 is Todd Collins.

ali, chucky doesn't do defense. and that's the best part. no film!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Nobody had to go Gillooly on MB.

Posted by: RMilot | November 13, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Dealer I just listen to the interview. (980) Yeah that shows he has no class asking that question. I have great respect for Coach John T. But he just said there was nothing wrong with the clown asking Brunell that question. Just lost a little respect for Coach T. I am not a Brunell fan but you just don't do that. CAMPBELL STATS! CAMPBELL START!

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Did I just hear that right? RB depth chart will go Duckett, Betts, Cartwright?

It' couldn't be true, could it? Now all we need is that uniform change...

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

What about Archibingus

Gibbs : He is a team leader on TEAMS (special, that is). He is in certain packages. (too bad they didn't get called, like Lavar's wasn't at Denver and KC last year)..

Posted by: 4th | November 13, 2006 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's Jason's story, so you don't have to leave the blog:
The Washington Redskins are calling an audible at quarterback.
After being inactive for 27 games as a pro, Jason Campbell will start Sunday in Tampa Bay, replacing embattled veteran Mark Brunell.
"I'm going to make this move and basically it's to hope we can get more production," said Coach Joe Gibbs. "[Mark] understands. I'm sure he doesn't agree about it."
In a 27-3 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, Brunell completed only 16 of 31 passes for 132 yards. Eagles cornerback Sheldon Brown returned an intercepted Brunell pass 70 yards for a touchdown.
Gibbs said Brunell will be the No. 2 quarterback and Todd Collins will drop from second to third.
"We want to get Jason every opportunity," Gibbs said. "When we drafted him we think we got a very talented player... Hopefully, it's going to be something he takes and makes the most of."
At FedEx Field, fans have been screaming for Campbell to replace Brunell, with the offense producing just 15 touchdowns in nine games.
The Redskins (3-6) traded up to select Campbell in the 2005 draft despite having two quarterbacks on the roster, parting with three draft picks, including a first-round selection. It was a steep price for a player who has not stepped on the field.
Brunell is 14-19 as Washington's starter over three years and the offense has been inconsistent this season, by Gibbs's admission.
For much of his two seasons here, Campbell's primary duty has been to mimic the opposing team's offense as the scout-team quarterback in practice. Barring injuries to Brunell, he does not play with the first-team offense in practice. He also is learning a new offense for the sixth time in six years.
"You can say what can you get from" running the scout team? Gibbs said of Campbell before the victory over Dallas. "Well, you get quite a bit obviously in meetings and you get to learn from other people's mistakes, and many times you learn more from watching other people do it, and either be praised or criticized. It's all a learning experience for him and certainly he's worked extremely hard since he's been here and we just have to see when he plays. Hopefully, it's been time well spent and each and every one of those practices is a learning experience for him."
Gibbs has said that Campbell could be an effective quarterback right now, but, as the third quarterback he has little chance to play, which is not confidence-building. NFL rules state that if a third quarterback is inserted before the fourth quarter, a team's first two quarterbacks cannot be used in the game at any position. In Week 7, with Indianapolis blowing out the Redskins in the fourth quarter, Gibbs kept Brunell in the game.
"Last year I didn't get anything close to this," Campbell said before the Dallas game of his practice time. "This year I got a chance to at least get a couple of days of reps in, and I feel like if my number is called I'm ready. Last week the guys had to get used to me, and this week I can tell it's way better than it was last week. I feel way more comfortable and confident in the plays, and I feel like if I get more reps the sky is the limit."
Gibbs said he was impressed with Campbell's work. "Sometimes it's awful hard to be excited about things when you know there's a chance you're not going to play during the week. But I can tell that week was good for him to get the work. I think he was even nervous about it a little bit. You could see it out there, which is good. Those are good experiences for him, and he needs to go through that."
And, no doubt, he will continue to be patient. He is a humble, grounded individual, with a clear grasp of his place on the team and where he is in his career. Remaining the quarterback of the future is far from perfect, but it will do for now.
"The biggest thing is I want to be a winner," Campbell said. "I want to win with whoever is in there, so you support them and when I'm in there I'd expect Mark to do the same. Right now, Mark's the guy, and I understand that I'm the next guy up and I'll do everything in my possibility to be ready until that time, because I know I am the guy who is going to end up playing in the future, and right now I really do want to win."

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I can't believe it.

Today just got better. Let's go #17.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

PigSkin

Grab you by the back of your shirt (let me say I joking right here in case you don't get it)smack you in the back of the head 3 times.

This feels like giving up on the playoffs this year.

Another slap in the back of your head.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Ali, sorry i'm listening but not listening. can anyone else confirm what ali heard please.

jm, they(john T and company) have to do that because he's one of their guy. b-mitch, ken harvey supported him as well. because he works with them.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Arch is the personal protector on teams"??????? Are you serious, Gibby? That justifies the amount of money you're paying him???????

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Now who is going to throw our screen passes???????????????

Posted by: vinny cerrato | November 13, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, that was a nice shot of J-Lac at the end of the presser. I think he's doing that on purpose now.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

What are the chances of Coach Joe reading this blog and thinking we might have something here and making all the changes we've been suggesting for weeks now ...

nah ...

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Yep, I could have sworn I heard "mmmm, we're going to go with TJ then Ledell and then Rock..." or something like that in Gibbsese. I need a confirmed translation please, anyone?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - You're sweater reminds me of the ones I use to were in Junior High school. All you need now is the 'Property of ____' logo. (Saw you at the end of the Presser....)

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 5:16 PM | Report abuse

It's sad that we have to experience a season like this. I'm not giving up but I'm keeping it
real. Our Beloved Washington Redskins have issues. I'm tired of seeing the Skins be the leaders in Free Angency (Off Season)
and Non Leaders during the Season (When it Really Counts) Joe Gibbs needs to Coach Joe Gibbs not CEO Gibbs nor GrandFather Gibbs. Loyalty isn't getting you anywhere Joe. Mark Brunell has been
serviceable but it's time to turn the corner play guys who want to play bench those who aren't performing play those who have heart. The O-line needs to block, The D-line need to rush the passer the safeties need to cover deep and let's not talk about th QB play. I won't go there!!!

Posted by: don taylor | November 13, 2006 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Yep, saw JLa there -- got a good 4 or 5 seconds, didn't he?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Ding dong the witch is dead!!!!!


Amen.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Next week, Jason should wear a shirt with a personalized msg to his peeps.....

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about the post-season this year. I'm excited to see what this offense will look like with the kid in there. I'd like to see them open it up too - go ahead and risk a few picks throwing deep. And if the defense stops sucking, who knows...

Posted by: Happyfan | November 13, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Who is the idiot that just mentioned "playoffs." Good lord, how dense can you be? Playoffs? Get real! Wake up! Smell the coffee! The only thing we have to live for is getting JC some playing time so we don't suck this bad next year....dyuh!

Damn people.

Posted by: Megskin | November 13, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

JM220: Just to clarify: You think the Skins have a better chance to win THIS YEAR with Campbell in the game? If so, smack yourself in the back of the head a few times ebcause you are dreaming.

Posted by: PigSkin | November 13, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Credit is due to the blog chant -
Jason! Jason! Jason!

Posted by: Happyfan | November 13, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The only question is will the o-line keep Campbell upright long enough to have him show us something.

Posted by: QFB | November 13, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

any confirmation on what Ali heard? re. the running back depth chart.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think Betts is still the starter. I want to see Duckett as much as everyone else, but Betts has done nothing to relinquish his spot on the depth chart.

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

PigSkin- Please stop. You're making it hurt again

Posted by: Groin Strain | November 13, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

THIS YEAR with Campbell in the game?

PigSkin if I thought that I would smack my ownself. Stop looking at the small picture here my friend. No Campbell is not going to get us to the playoff. Brunell wasn't going to get us anywhere close too don't fool yourself. With Campbell starting we can see what the kid has. If he good then focus of the draft can be DE. If not then we know we need a QB. Rather know now if he can play instead of waiting until next year and have another awful season.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

welcome back meg! now where's the rest of the crew (haiku, mv dame)...

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, we got what we wished for. I hope the masses were right.

Thus endeth the weekly LWC NFC East Quarterback comparisons!

LWC

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | November 13, 2006 5:28 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae

We'll know if Gibbs reads the blog, when Jason breaks the news about how Brunell got benched...

Gibbs: "Will everyone who is a starting QB please step forward.....not so fast buddy."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

1. Ladell
2. TJ
3. Rock

Gibbs said Ladell 'Plays his HEART out'......

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

JC won't need the line - he's got legs. That's the reason many of us have wanted him in there.

Posted by: Happyfan | November 13, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse

This should be just like Auburn for JC, no? He can turn around and hand off to a great big back or, if he feels the need to pass, he can give it to Randle El and let him pass.
I'm particularly happy because I was beginning to doubt our quest for 100k posts by Draft Day.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Be honest, Jason, you had that article all ready except for the exact quotes from the press conference. That was too long for you to throw together last minute...

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Football is a game of fight.

Posted by: Pepper Rogers | November 13, 2006 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Bram reports that Vinny and Danny Boy prob had a hand in this because of the 3 game homestand coming up. They prob let him know that he will have atleast 50,000 fans booing the team if they were on the same track.

I totally AGREE> When Gibbs was asked this question, he started by saying, 'Ahhhh....'. I don't see him as a good liar, so that's why he was stutyering.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Or how about...

Gibbs: "Mark, I've got good news and I've got bad news. Bad news is, you're benched. The good news is that I saved a lot on my car insurance."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK
Joe in Raleigh THAT was Hilarious.

You and JLaC are my main peeps. *hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Please note that the bulk of the Gibbs quotes and all the Campbell quotes came from a story J-LaC smartly did on Dallas Week.....

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

Joe - shhhh - watch out for the blog 'original content police'

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Our editor, Emilio, and I were talking about when the switch would come and I had said before the Carolina game, because of the FedEx factor. No way Brunell could start there again. Tampa Bay smells, as Kornheiser likes to say, like dinner.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Be honest, Jason, you had that article all ready except for the exact quotes

OD, are you saying that OUR jason and editor would keep something THAT big from us??

say it aint so jason and editor.

editor, i get the RB reference but i don't get the ARE reference. i didn't see JC play in auburn.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 5:35 PM | Report abuse

dealer wrote: funniest question:
reporter to gibbs: IS AL GOING TO HAVE TO SCALE BACK FOR JASON (CAMPBELL)?

LOL!!!!!!!!!! OMG! i'm so giddy!

he had to be joking! scale back? from what? dinks and dunks? lateral passes?

For real. This is what I've been saying for weeks. We run a stripped-down simplified passing game anyway. Why do we need a "veteran" in there to throw screens and dump-offs? I'm sure JC can handle it.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

JC was fine as a passer at Auburn, but my point is that he doesn't have to pass. Randle El is good at that.
And, no, we weren't holding out. We have to get our own independent confirmation, but we would never ever hold out on you guys. We are genetically unable to do so.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Pigskin: You can tell me, honestly and with a straight face, that you thought the Skins had a chance to make the playoffs this year, regardless of who was playing QB? I don't believe that. Have you watched the Skins this year? They have done nothing to prove they're even worthy of watching the playoffs once the season ends. Let's see what Campbell can do. If he's ineffective, good that we found out now.

Posted by: Colin | November 13, 2006 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sallie, if this news hadn't broke, we would have been in serious need of non-original content. It was getting depressing.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs: Let's play a game....Dead or benched?
Mark: ok.

Gibbs: Adam Arch?
Mark: benched

Gibbs: SallieMae's friend's cat?
Mark: dead, or so I've heard

Gibbs: you?
Mark: huh ?!?!?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Why do I get the feeling that the very first play from scrimmage this week will be a play action bomb to Moss? Everyone's gonna think we'll take it slow with the kid and just run all day. He has an arm. I say open it up from the get-go and smack 'em in the mouth...

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 13, 2006 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Yes here the future is yes there will be bumps and bruises but its better than standing still with an ineffective Brunell Finally a move that makes sense

Posted by: ih8dallas | November 13, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Why is everone breakin the Rule of not saying (typing)the P word??

No more mention. We have a QB change that I have been calling for since week 2 of Gibbs 2.0.1 (2nd coming, 1st season).

Posted by: 4th Floors | November 13, 2006 5:44 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

These are GREAT Joe. You should compile a list of "How coach tell Mark he's toast"

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Jason, have you ever asked Campbell about the significance of #17? Is there one, or is it just coincidental (I do tend to see all of football history through the lens of a Redskins fan)? I don't want to make unfair comparisons (just because he also happens to be a black qb), but I would think seeing a black qb win the Super Bowl could have been a not insignificant experience for a six-year old. Is Campbell's #17 a nod to Doug Williams?

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 5:46 PM | Report abuse

What has Mark Brunell done this year to make you think he gives us a better chance to win PLEASE he did nothing

Posted by: ih8dallas | November 13, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hurray that the future gets a chance to be now! Frankly, now I am a little relieved, yes relieved, that I can confidently watch games supporting the underdog (admittedly, an overpaid underdog) as I root for the Skins. Expectations ($$) based on offseason ($$) acquisitions ($$$$$) have been effectively trounced. We are officially 'rebuilding' so any good play I watch now is a GREAT play (we to go little fella!) and what I've been watching all season won't hurt so much. Fans in San Fran, Minnesota, Tennessee, Houston, etc., all knew they were going into 'rebuilding' seasons after last year ... we were rudely deluded (not to mention squandered) based on our season last year. Some teams' fans actually got to see BIG improvement (New Orleans, Bal'more). It could be worse ... we could be Pittsburgh fans ... talk about a shabingus ....

Posted by: dcsween | November 13, 2006 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Redskins fans: We can't let this go to our head. We can't get our hopes up. Repeat the following until you've got it memorized:

Jason Campbell will not turn our season around.
The Redskins are not making the playoffs.
All we need this year is to find out if JC should be our starter going into camp next summer.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

THE KID THE KID YES YESSS YYYYYYEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
#17 is taking over bye bye Boonell

Posted by: ih8dallas | November 13, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

OD - The Post and every TV news station did a piece on how JC asked Doug to wear his #? Doug was honored and gave the nod. That was like a big thing for the 1st week he was drafted....

Posted by: 4th | November 13, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Hill, Jason Campbell does not need to turn the season around. We just need some sweet plays ... maybe some Vick-like running and an occasional on-the-money pass (just to show that HE can do the timing that Saunders requires ... even if someone drops it). As far as the season goes, I'd like to see Randel-El and Sellers get Pro Bowl nods for special teams play. That would be enough to salvage the season for me. Its been too much misery otherwise.

Posted by: dcsween | November 13, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't accusing Jason and Editor of holding back on us, but I do suspect them of writing this article -- much like the Post (or was it the NYTimes?) got exposed a few years ago for having a database of obits for near-dead famous people, like the Pope and Reagan.

I know Jason has had Brunell's obit (and JC's birth announcement) ready to roll for weeks... he just needed the go-ahead and the quote from Gibbs' presser.

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

OD - The Post and every TV news station did a piece on how JC asked Doug to wear his #? Doug was honored and gave the nod. That was like a big thing for the 1st week he was drafted.... -4th

Really? I don't remember that at all.

That's awesome.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 5:53 PM | Report abuse

A lot of newspapers have obits pre-written. That's not really surprising is it?

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 5:54 PM | Report abuse

OD - The Post and every TV news station did a piece on how JC asked Doug to wear his #? Doug was honored and gave the nod. That was like a big thing for the 1st week he was drafted....

Posted by: 4th | November 13, 2006 05:52 PM

EXCEPT he wore #17 at Auburn... I know we have a whole slew of unofficially retired numbers here (anyone remember Shane Matthews trying to take Sonny's #9? of all people!). I'm thinking more about when he first chose #17. Was it random, because he likes the look, inspired by someone else, or was it specifically bc of Doug Williams? All I'm asking...

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

WOOOHOOOOWOOOHOOOWOOOHOOWOOOOHOOOWOOOHOOWOOOHOOWWOWOWOWOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Okay I'm going to go outside and run around in the rain like an idiot and get pneumonia!

I'm giddy as a school girl and giggling like one cause there is still a big chance that TB will be a nightmare but at least it'll be a NEW nightmare!

Hey Insiders we gotta support the kid. SallieMae lead us with messages of *love* and *hugs* all week. We can start dumping next week. This week all good all love all happiness towards JC. Fire'em up. ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE?? Cue techno music and laser lights!

I no longer hate today. I love today.

Singing in the rain. I'm singing in the rain. What a glorious feeling I'm happy again. la dee dee dee dah

Posted by: sfskin | November 13, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Other things I'd like to see:

- Ending the season by beating NYG,
- Being the team that keeps another team out of the wild card spot,
- At least one player who becomes a consistent superman performer for the remaining games (Cooley, I'm looking at you),
- Some consistency from the punter,
- Penalty yardage for the remaining games down to at least half of what it was for the first part of the season.

Posted by: dcsween | November 13, 2006 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If we get the Vick running, hopefully we won't get the Vick passing.

Posted by: Happyfan | November 13, 2006 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The 6-foot-5 Mississippi native is often compared to one of his mentors, Doug Williams, another tall quarterback who wore No. 17 -- and who calmly led the Redskins to the Super Bowl title in the 1987 season.

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/sports/060818/qb.shtml

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Really, we didn't have that story ready. Swear.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 6:01 PM | Report abuse

May 2005:

Brooklyn, N.Y.: Hey Nunyo, thanks for doing this chat. Need a redskins fix ...

Any word on how Jason Campbell looked in his first workouts? Tired as I am of the decade-long QB carousel in DC, at least this time we've got a couple of young guys instead of castoffs from other teams. Also, Campbell's wearing #17. I think I read he was asking Doug Williams for permission... Any idea if he really did that or if there was any opposition to wearing his number?

Nunyo Demasio: You're welcome.

Jason Campbell looked Terrific during the three-day rookie camp last month. He had a live arm, was mobile and wasn't flustered. Of course, he didn't face much defensive competition. But the flip side is during minicamp, he'll also have better receivers. Campbell did ask for permission, and apparently it was granted since he's wearing the number. (Side note, Williams -- who is a Bucs official now -- dubbed Campbell the best quarterback in the draft class, before the actual draft.)

Posted by: OD | November 13, 2006 6:01 PM | Report abuse

ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE?? Cue techno music and laser lights

sfskin I with you.

SallieMae hug hugs sweetie.

Cindy I just don't know what to do with myself now. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of newspapers have obits pre-written."

I'm guessing they all end the same way too.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, to add to your list:

- an average of at least 1 turnover per game by the defense

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Booyeah! © Stu Scott

__________________________

"A lot of newspapers have obits pre-written."

I'm guessing they all end the same way too.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank

Posted by: Clinton Hill | November 13, 2006 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we'll get a 70 yard pass play down field for ourselves!!

Wait maybe we'll get ANY pass play down field!!

Now all I need are the throwback unis with gold pants and the arrowhead helmet and I can stop watching the game through my fingers and rage.

Posted by: sfskin | November 13, 2006 6:04 PM | Report abuse

We go 9-7, make the playoffs, and beat Indy in the Superbowl. You heard it here first.

Posted by: The future, Connan? | November 13, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Just because I'm excited about watching my team again....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2602229974531953634&q=terry+tate&hl=en

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It is not unusual for news media to have background work done on obits of really famous people. I have one, for instance, on Barbaro, from when he was stricken with laminitis...one does prepare, even if the story is not fully written. And nothing will make me happier than spiking that story when Barbaro lives to a ripe old age.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank friggin God!! Put Duckett and Sellers in the backfield - run it down peoples throats and then play action DOWNFIELD to Moss, Cooley, ARE, and LLoyd. Redskin fooball baby!!!!

Posted by: skinswest | November 13, 2006 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"We go 9-7, make the playoffs, and beat Indy in the Superbowl. You heard it here first."

I Just don't see that at all. Indy's defense has too many problems. I cannot see them in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: PigSkin | November 13, 2006 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope what happened to Ramsey does not happen with the Kid....Gibbs could be looking for any way to get Brunell in...Praise Jesus

Posted by: OC Skins | November 13, 2006 6:35 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!!! Ric Doc Walker just said Brunell cried on the bus after the interview. JLC is that true?

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 6:54 PM | Report abuse

way to go joe!!!

bout freagin' time eh!

4 tccls - for gibbs for making the move (would be a 5 if he made it sooner)
5 tccls - for those who still believe!!!
5 tccls - for those that live by the phrase "In gibbs we trust"!!!

Now i can start drinking happy again!!!

Posted by: deadskin | November 13, 2006 7:03 PM | Report abuse

MB cried..you gotta be f-ing kidding me..What a puss

Posted by: OC Skins | November 13, 2006 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh..and praise Jesus

Posted by: OC Paul | November 13, 2006 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Poor, poor Barbaro. Big guy's made a nice recovery, probably out in some pasture making little baby Barbaro's.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and now I have a good reason to watch this weekend. Yay!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 7:11 PM | Report abuse

OC Skins I don't know if it is true or not. That's what I am trying to get JLC or Cindy to confirm.(if so slap in the back of the head Brunell. Be man and go wait for that clown outside of the radio station)

OC enough with the praise Jesus. It's starting to even get under my skin a little.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, as much as I am annoyed by the overt proselytizing by way too many people in our society today (not simply politicians and professional athletes, but ordinary people as well), I am equally annoyed by those who feel the need to belittle the beliefs of others.

Do what I do. Just walk away. Only a small man's ego requires him to have the last word. Let it go.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if it was you P or Dealer that posted this before. But I just had to watch it again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bd7BoF5zbY

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't me, but thanks for sharing!

One thing's for sure. Campbell throws the dink and dunk as well as Brunell.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 7:30 PM | Report abuse

i think we're gonna be just fine in Tampa.
there is no reason we should lose that game.
we have good running backs and great wide receivers. no matter how down we are in the score the kid can through which means we can score quick. I'm predicting 5-6 TDs for the 'skins.

Posted by: thor | November 13, 2006 7:37 PM | Report abuse

"Lets hope what happened to Ramsey does not happen with the Kid....Gibbs could be looking for any way to get Brunell in...Praise Jesus"

i sure hope this isnt a ploy to satisfy the nation and ultimately bring MB back...thats just absurd...but he did it once before...so...

but if he does it again...in gibbs i will no longer trust...that is...if he give JC one quarter then yanks him...differnt story if JC totally blows for several games and doesnt do anything right...but its all about taking the lumps and working the kinks out and getting the kid ready for next year...and maybe saving some of this year...

i agreee with everyone...im soooo happy now its almost like the skins arent 3-6...

Posted by: deadskin | November 13, 2006 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

I cried on Sunday too... right after I realized that we still have 4 more home games that I already paid for.

And I'd bet that Danny Boy cried on Sunday as well. A 6-year old probably told him how terrible his team was and he proclaimed that he would never open up the door for him again on Halloween.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Ahh the day ends well.

There are no miracles in offing of that I'm almost 100% sure BUT it'll be nice to see the kid take the field. He said he wants to win, that's his job hopefully everyone else feels the same way. Hopefully JG won't pull him after the mistakes he's bound to make. I hope he gets 2 or 3 goes.

I'm going home to make a new batch of Kool Aid.

Posted by: sfskin | November 13, 2006 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, Barbaro isn't visiting the mares just yet! His doctor says he still has a long way to go, but he's alive and it looks like he's gonna remain that way, even if we never see any little Barbaros. Bless him...dare I say it -- he ran his guts out.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 13, 2006 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone has posted this possibility before, but the Duckett trade could work out next yr if we designate him transition player, and trade him to someone for a 2 or 3...what do think?

Posted by: OC Skins | November 13, 2006 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm very close to going out to pasture and hanging out with the mares, myself. I can totally relate to Barbaro.

But like him, I have to wonder..."Do I have one more race left in me?"

Whoever knew that little horse was such a great philosopher?

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 8:04 PM | Report abuse

OC, in the NFL trade world, it takes two to tango. Or at least one stupid team prone to giving away all of its draft picks for nothing, and the Denver Broncos.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Ditty...Duckett is definately worth a 3rd rounder to some RB poor team..I have no doubt if we go this route..it will work

Posted by: OC Skins | November 13, 2006 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I hear the 'Skins could use a GM. OC, you're hired!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 8:12 PM | Report abuse

From a Chicago Bears Fan:
Just to think: last summer the Bears and Redskins were ready to launch a bidding war for Randle El. He was going to take the winner to the Super Bowl.
Here's a update from the Windy City: keep Antwan and his multi-million dollar contract!
Snyder's vault of cash doesn't equate to judging the worth of a player.
Maybe we could play that oldie from Connie Francis; 'Who's Sorry Now'.

Posted by: Steve L1 | November 13, 2006 8:49 PM | Report abuse

""OMG!!!! Ric Doc Walker just said Brunell cried on the bus after the interview. JLC is that true?""

I wanted him replaced by Campbell as much as anyone in here but I think we should cut him some slack. He probably realized he would never win a championship as a starter, or maybe never at all.....if this is true.

It has to be devastating to someone who's career goal was to do that.

And yes, Campbell can "dink and dunk" just as good as Brunell. This move is at least three weeks too late.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | November 13, 2006 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Steve L1-

You come here to gloat about a free agent signing? What, did you get your fill from the gints blog? I absolutely agree we blow way too much on FA signings, but the only one that's panned out pretty well is ARE.
And if I remeber correctly, the last time we played the cubbies we beat you, so go home and enjoy your season. And thanks for spanking the gints, that was enjoyable for fans that don't have much to cheer for this year.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | November 13, 2006 9:17 PM | Report abuse

this is the first time I am in agreement w/ all the chatter re: QB and JC. First time the defense actually stopped an opponent and gave the ball back to the offense numerous times. offense really stunk this one up. many possesions w/ opportunity to get back ion the game squandred. Defense improved against dallas and continued to improve w/ philly. now is time to bring the offense up the next step, just like dub G made changes that resulted in having the defense take a step up, now is the time. Can't expect this defense to stop everyone cold, if the offense starts putting up some points we may actually start winning games - not that I'm thinking playoffs are likely . . .as the venerable Jim Mora said: *"PLAYOFFS!?! PLAYOFFS!?!..."*

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | November 13, 2006 9:20 PM | Report abuse

You know Gibbs is pissed. He's reaching for the big Chocolate bars and the tums.

It's one thing for Gibbs to be rooting for JC to play well, but remember the super quick hook for Ramsey with Marco lurking. I hope AL Saunders tries to prove his point about Mark's arm by dialing up some deep throws early.

I'd like to see a scramble or two as well out of Campbell. WRT to Betts, I think I read or saw where Saunders said something like "with Ladell in there we get a play that goes for 10 or 20 yards, with Portis we get maybe 30 to 40 yards". I think he realizes Betts is not starter material.

Posted by: Salty-Dawg | November 13, 2006 9:20 PM | Report abuse

duckett SUCKS where do you get your info from? and portis is a sissy for not playing rest of game like T.O. did against us! and he came back in a week(same injury)portis says 3 weeks. he carries ball in left hand!!I have a bunch of FA sissy DIVAS!

Posted by: gibbs | November 13, 2006 9:22 PM | Report abuse

are you guys watching that Tampa defense tonite.they are going to kill me!dont laugh when I piss in my pants.

Posted by: JC | November 13, 2006 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Ya, know, I had forgotten Doug WIlliams was 17. I thought everyone was referring to that other QB #17 who also played in a SB. I never thought of 17 as Williams number, but Kilmer's. (I guess I'm old..)

Posted by: King Bonehead | November 13, 2006 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone for a round of "JOE MUST GO?"

This team is actually worse now than when Spurrier left. Get Schiano from Rutgers; get Charlie Weis from Notre Dame; Get Pat Murphy who coaches my high school football team. Get anybody. Joe has his rings and his history; but that's all he has now. Those rings don't buy diddly "up here".

We all know that Joe had money problems and that NASCAR takes money to keep going. That's why he took this gig. I'm sure he also thought in the back of his mind that he could truly turn this thing around. And for five games he did. But that's all he was good for now...5 games.

Settle his contract, send him on his way, and get somebody who has a clue what this league is about in the 21st century. This ain't 1982 or 1992, and there ain't no East Carolinas up here.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | November 13, 2006 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Quarterback change will make it more interesting but will change little because they need help in so many areas. I reran the Philly game today and our O-line was really bad; D-line was not much better. We still need a defense and changing the Qback is not going to help that. Our only hope is that they can hold on to the ball longer and keep the D off the field.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | November 13, 2006 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope someone from Redskins organization sees these posts. Players management doesn't matter. I've been a 'Skins fan for 30 years(since I was about 7yrs old). I remember well the glory days. The past 15 years have been.....well horrorific. I am sick and tired of watching bad Redskins teams. Really I'm sick of it. It's hard to even get excited about watching a game on sunday. If I was a player or front office personel I'd be ashamed of the product I'm putting on that field. Sunday I just sat infront of my TV with a dumb founded look on my face. For the first time ever I asked myself "why am I a fan of this team?" They don't put forth effort. Thier flat 90% of the time. They have no soul or identity and they're not trying to build one. How can that team be ok with going out on the field and playing like garbage? My pop warner team had more fire in thier shorts than these guys do, and they executed plays better. Someone relay this to the players and coaching staff. It is really hard to be excited about watching my favorite football team because I can almost guess the out come. I can't get rowdy all I can do is slump in my chair as the penalties and mistakes just keep piling up. And it's been like this for years. Dear God please somebody do something to make this team respectable again!

Posted by: RA2 | November 13, 2006 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, as someone who has called for MB to be yanked since preseason, I do think he's an upright, classy guy and should be granted some respect and given some a little space. He sucked this year (actually all three years except for a couple of lucky throws and a few truly good games). But he should be accorded some respect as a stand up guy.

That being said....The real problem with him this year was that he made the team one dimensional. No one had to respect us deep. He couldn't throw the ball deep and couldn't/wouldn't throw it down the middle. He's not the only one to blame by any means but with him in there, it was too easy to game plan the 'Skins, especially without being committed to the run and without a healthy Portis. With no arm (anymore) to challenge them deep, they could stuff it in the box and blitz and force underneath throws and dumps/swing passes. HOPEFULLY, with someone with an arm, they'll have to respect the deep ball and that will open up the run.

Now for those who think that Brunell was going to get us to the playoffs, and now that JC is in there we don't have a chance....GET A CLUE. What was MB's record here? That would be a losing one. What's our record now? Seriously, I'd rather have a 40 yard deep out intercepted than have a three and out with an underneath pass on 3rd and 9....

Posted by: 'Canes fan | November 13, 2006 10:17 PM | Report abuse

For the first time ever I asked myself "why am I a fan of this team?"

Ra2..Are you kidding me..This is the first time???? I asked every other week when Norv and Spurrier were here... Think back brother

Posted by: OC Skins | November 13, 2006 10:36 PM | Report abuse

amazing. I love the atmosphere in here. Pigskin is an idiot. Good perspective guys. Campbell is not this season's savior (no off colored OC remark here) But it is critical for the Redskins to see if he is, in fact, the QB of the future and not just another Patrick Ramsey. (former QB of the future) They are not "giving up" on this season so much as they're making sure they don't have damaged goods for next season.

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2006 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I'm actually looking forward to watching Sunday's game now

and I love lamp.

Posted by: Brick Tamland | November 13, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

The decision to start Campbell against TB is at least a step in the right direction.

All phases of the team are in bad shape. At least with Campbell starting, the Skins will have a chance to see if the kid can play and maybe the fans will get something to cheer for. Heck, we know that Brunell can protect the ball. But we shouldn't care at this point. The team has nothing to lose. They should be taking every reasonable risk to try and win some games. Gibbs' loyalty is good to a point - but now it is time to start shaking things up and finding some guys who can play.

On defense, why not put Rocky into the mix? I am tired of seeing no production from LBs Holdman and Marshall (why oh why did we let Pierce escape to NY, sigh). I know you can point fingers all over the D and assign blame to Taylor, Archuleta, Rogers, the line, etc. The list goes on. Since the organization traded up to draft him, put the kid in! Some youth in the LB corp may give them a spark. Coach Williams needs to stop playing not to lose. The D needs to play like there is no tomorrow and take some chances. I say put more players in the box to force the opposing offense to throw. Then blitz them like crazy to try and force some kind of turnover. They will get burned sometimes, but at least they will get burned taking a chance rather than when they are sitting back in prevent and giving up big plays.

This fan applauds the decision to play Campbell in TB. Go Skins!

Posted by: Robbo | November 13, 2006 11:08 PM | Report abuse

jm, diddy, i think that was the link posted by "skinz" when we were wondering how good JC is...

and yes, he can dink and dunk with the best of them.

"brunell cried on the bus"? WHAT IS WRONG WITH 980??? why are they being so unprofessional about this? basically hitching all their street cred and professional cred with an idiot. an idiot who choked!!!!!!!! czabe got the opportunity he's been asking for so long to ask the "tough questions" and HE CHOKED!

and for all you who think i'm a czaben hater, go back 3-4 weeks on this blog i was on his side against jason(of this blog). i say it as i see it and he choked. their boy choked! and now their whole company is trying to support him???? I'M NOT BUYING IT 980!! YOUR BOY F-ED UP!!!!!!!!!! 980 better put some spin control on it cuz IF this team (the skins) get better in the near future they're going to pay for it dearly. cuz we all know the binness is good right now cuz the skins suck.

OD, i was the one who said jason and editor are holding out on us. i was being fecisous(sp).

and no, gibbs hasn't won me back yet. he still has to prove a lot (to me...this go around). a long, long ways to go. i wish him luck but i personally don't think he'll be around next year as the HC (at the very least and maybe gone all together) $50-100 million of snyder's money later. wow! when gibbs said "dan gives me everything" he really means it. this was the year. for him and brunell and they couldn't get it done. god bless bof'em!

hey, how about Fisher and Campbell combo? Jason being the younger version of Mcnair? huh? huh? :))))))))))))))))))) hey! it's midnight! i can dream!

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah..Fisher is just great...Good record over the last 5 yrs...Gimmie a break

Posted by: OC Skins | November 14, 2006 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I've said it before, I'll say it again...

If the 'Skins make a coaching change, they need to find the next St. Joe, not another retread coach. "Mr." Snyder needs to hire the next Bobby Beathard or Scott Pioli to go along with this new coach. And most importantly, "Mr." Snyder needs to trust them to make decisions.

Now, let's be clear. "Mr." Snyder didn't make a billion dollars at Snyder Communications by being a bad manager per se. But hopefully he has learned by now that the managment style required by the NFL is different than Snyder Healthcare or Circle.com or Snyder Communications.

But this is all putting the cart before the horse. St. Joe finally made the right decision today. Let's see how the next seven games play out before we write the obituaries of these coaches.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 14, 2006 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Just watched the Czabe interview on Youtube. (keyword: czaban) I thought Brunell was remarkably calm considering. Still, I don't think Brunell will be retiring as a Redskin...

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | November 14, 2006 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Running around my office yelling. Campbell starts! Campbell starts!

Posted by: jm220 | November 14, 2006 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Now the team just needs to shave their heads and go back to the burgundy gold unis and we got ourselves a whole new team... they'll still lose alot and they may possibly set new NFL records for bingus defense, but at least they'll look different.

Posted by: Dorf | November 14, 2006 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I realize that my team has reached a sad state when the mere mention of a, for all intents and purposes, rookie QB starting makes me giddy. I was in an awful mood all day yesterday until I heard the news around 5PM or so.

I feel good now, but not delusionally so. Just happy because I now have something to look forward to on Sundays -- the development of JC.

I have no misconceptions about the post-season, or even winning again in 2006, for that matter. I am just happy that our [potential] "General of the Future" will now be the one behind center on game day.

It took a while, but I think I would like to give credit where credit is due. Thank you Gibbs for finally realizing what needs to be done and doing it.

Brunell, it's been... interesting, but I hope you will help JC in any way that you can. Please teach him everything you know... except checking down... or timing... or stepping up in the pocket... well, you get the idea.

In turn, maybe JC can teach you what to do with that clipboard.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 14, 2006 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown,

Good post... and I'm with you.

The only thing I really worry about is the fact that at no point during Gibby's presser, and at no point during Saunders interview with Kelli Johnson last night, did they say that it is Jason's job for the rest of the season.

What is this week to week crap? Are you telling me that if Jason doesn't go out there and throw 6 TD's this week you're going to pull him in favor of Collins or (gasp) Boonell again?

If Boonell is back under center for a 4-10 team heading into week 16 I might honestly have a mental breakdown. I know I'm getting way too ahead of myself, but you can read these coaches and their comments like a book.... and again, that's just the feeling I got.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 14, 2006 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Ricky,
I didn't hear the presser but read the transcript. I didn't see anything about week-to-week. It makes sense for Gibbs to give himself some wiggle-room in case Campbell gets overwhelmed. Let's just hope he doesn't get Ramseyed after his 1st quarter.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 14, 2006 9:19 AM | Report abuse

This is interesting....

Gibbs: "Going forward it will be T.J., Ladell, and Rock handling the running back chores."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 14, 2006 9:21 AM | Report abuse

3 POINTS. Just watching the offense strolling lazily up to the line before each play is a huge indicater of ineptness. No hustle. Going through the motions. With Campbell in, they should hurry it up. He has more life in his legs.

Posted by: Dimview | November 14, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The argument Gibbs had to keep Brunell playing was his rare turnover. Which has kept Brunell's inflated QB rating high and in turn giving Gibbs a weapon to keep him in the games. It shows a flaw in the QB rating which needs to add a forumla for passes over 10 yards, 20 yards, and yards after the catch.

The thing is, Brunell not giving the ball up is meaningless when the other team can score on your defense from any part of the field. Who cares if they throw a pick when the other team scores either way? It might have been better for Brunell to turn the ball over so the other teams scores faster and gives the Skins offense more chances to score.

The Redskins problem is the wrong QB for the wrong team. Brunell would be great on the Bears, Ravens, or Broncos. He is the type of QB that would work for those teams. A team that Gibbs thought the Skins would be with a killer defense. Well, Williams has failed Gibbs with the defense and because of that Brunell is inefective.

When you have a bad defense you need an offense that can score and score by taking a lot of time. Brunell is NOT that type at all. Campbell is more like that. If he turns the ball over then the other team will just not have as many yards to go to score a touchdown or Field Goal.

I predict we will see an improvment on both sides of the ball from this ONE change. I just do not see it being enough to win 7 in a row.

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 14, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, the only good that could come out of Sunday's game has come to pass - the passing game was such an apoplectic craptacle, that there was no way to spin or twist BenchMark/MarkOff's performance into anything resembling a decent performance.

So, the Not-Earl Campbell Era begins. I'm not exactly leaping up and down in joy (and given that I was at the Holocaust Museum when I read of the changing of the guard, I daresay it would have been rather inappropriate), but I have a tingle of the renewed optimism that only a change in QB in Washington can seemingly bring. Frankly, too many things are suspect with this team to think that Not-Earl will turn things around. But it will be nice to perhaps see a passer that's willing (or at least young enough) to take a hit to make a play work, and perhaps see a few balls rocketing downfield.

One can hope, at least.

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 14, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to hear that they fought their guts out, because if they did and still lost by 24 points to a team on a three-game slide, then the Redskins are really bad. ~Michael Wilbon

But, Michael, isn't fighting one's guts out what it's all about???

Posted by: mile high | November 14, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

JLC, I read your article this morning. Nice job.

As an imparial and knowledgeable observer, does your "gut" tell you that this is honestly a move to the future (JC), or a "wakeup call" maneuver from Gibbs to Brunell?

I thought the former, until I read this quote, "We don't know what'll happen there. If he sits back there in that second spot and gets a breath of fresh air and gets rested, I don't know what'll happen in the future."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | November 14, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This is interesting....

Gibbs: "Going forward it will be T.J., Ladell, and Rock handling the running back chores."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 14, 2006 09:21 AM

That's what I thought I heard yesterday. Is there anyway of confirming that will be the actual depth chart? Is Duckett going to start?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 14, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Asked if Campbell would be the Redskins' starting quarterback for the remainder of the season, Gibbs replied: "What we are doing is giving Jason every opportunity.

Please Coach Joe do not give up on Campbell after one quarter.

Posted by: jm220 | November 14, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

One of the boys on sports talk 980 this morning was expressing his concern this is a 7 week evaluation by an impatient ownership/management. I'm worried as well. If JC has 4 TDs and 9 picks...who knows what this ownership is capable of in Feb. I just hope they allow him 07 too. Happy to have look, but nervous about the suits.

Bucktown - that quote def leaves door open for MB 07...scary.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 14, 2006 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown - that quote def leaves door open for MB 07...scary.

PB if that happens then Coach Joe needs to go. The game has passed him buy period.

Posted by: jm220 | November 14, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

POLL: WHAT WILL OUR RECORD BE FOR THE REMAINING GAMES?

I say 3 wins, 4 losses.

Would love to say otherwise, but I think JC will obviously have a little learning curve. Plus, we have no idea what to expect, he may stink. My gut says we have nowhere to go but up, but what if he's a bust? Then, my friends, we are in for some big time depression. At least if he shows some promise we'll have something to look forward to, and won't have to blow our 1 pick (sniff, sniff) on a QB next year.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | November 14, 2006 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I say 3 wins, 4 losses.

I say, who cares?

I sure don't, it's all about getting Campbell ready for next year and pulling people's heads out of their a$$es (coaches, players, etc.)

Posted by: Megskin | November 14, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I just read Wilbon's article. I often disagree with him, but I think he makes very valid points (he must be reading this blog too).

I have no expectations of JC, other than a slight spark to the team, and consistent progress each game. I think if we see a much better QB around week 15 than we see on Sunday, we are in good shape.

Maybe the kid will win a few ball games too. You have to think Lloyd is pumped, knowing the kid won't have any favorites. I know Duckett and Betts are perfect to help take the load off of JC as well.

I told all my friends (also diehards) that my only hope is that JC gets some good experience and we EFF some people up along the way.

Hail to the Redskins and Hail to the Future!

Posted by: bbtp89854726 | November 14, 2006 11:03 AM | Report abuse

3-4 sounds about right. we can beat TB with their rookie QB and we should take one of the home games (probably ATL or PHI). dbout we'll beat NO in the Superdome or STL at their field but if the Jints win the east they could rest their guys for the last game and we could take that as well. of course, if Duckett actually gets the ball and Campbell can play okay, maybe we'll end up like Roethlisberger and the Steelers last year and actually do something this season. if not, take a DL or CB in the draft and try to keep the cash from burning a hole in Danny's pocket during FA.

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 14, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Ricky, Joe, and everyone who's mentioned the gibbs presser where he announced that mark was being benched.

Yes, after listening to the presser again and various other shows gibbs was on i too have curbed my enthusiasm. i officially declare myself as GIBBS HATER! I HATE GIBBS!!!!!!!!

YES, HE IS A MONEY HUNGRY LOSER!!!

WHAT A GUTTLESS THING TO DO!!! week to week? are you F-ing kidding me??????? he hasn't taken a friggin snap for a year and a half!!!!!!!!!! and keeping #8 as your number 2????????? so he has to worry about throwing an interception????

and reaction from the players was "shocked, surpised" okay so what if JC sucksAroot WHO'S FAULT IS THAT??????????
GIBBS GAVE UP 4 PICKS FOR HIM???????!!!!!

i'm so bitter, i'm thinking about boycotting skins till he leaves. and yes, joe i was drinking the cool-aid up until last sunday.

and OC, let me replace Fisher with Russ Grimm. I've been pimping him up from day one on here. but Fisher's a proven comodity and he's not 70 years old. so i don't know. and please don't talk about Fisher's record. he's been coaching in Tenn. for god sakes. vol country.

and of course i reserve the right to take it all back if JC plays well and win in tampa. :)

and joe in raleigh, we had the RB depth chart conversation...if you scroll up a bit. someone corrected us and said it's LB, TJ, Cart...

and what the heck is wrong with czabe??? has he always been that moronic?! i was just listening to him. one word to describe his theories: "baseless".

Jason (of this blog), why don't you ever criticize brunell's play? the reason i'm asking is because of what you said "i have good relationship with brunell" and i started thinking that you criticize everyone BY NAME except for brunell? for example i've never heard you say "BRUNELL SUCKS-A-ROOT!" and that would be basically agreeing with 99.9% of the folks on here.

i ask without any hidden agenda/meaning because i've seen Wilbon name drop "...i had dinner with Barry Bonds..." and when the whole world was going after Bonds for steroid use, Wilbon stayed quiet. On the other hand TK Stack Money never name drops and he went after EVERYONE. No one was safe. Except for the Knick's fired coach Larry Brown... but he did so by recusing himself saying "i'm his good friend".

Just wondering why you took that stance. Is that something journalists/beat reporters do? You've said deragotory things about the offense in general but never the QB/MB specifically.

Thanks.
Sincerely...
and i'm e-mailing cindy now with my home address so i can get my prize and you're more than welcome to use that address and come beat me up. IF you find that i'm not being sincere. and it won't be that long of a drive neither. literally just up the street...

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs is in hall of fame for 3 SB wins with 3 diferent QBs,now reading your pathetic excuse blogs He doesnt know QBs! He knows how some QBs can be destroyed if put in to early.He knows JC is not ready and the team can not get a fair evaluation of him.NO DEFENSE,NO RUNNING GAME,AVG. O-LINE,WRS ARE AVG,playing a tampa defense very mad about the season and last yrs playoff loss.your crybaby blogs are amusing but GETTING OLD.

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 14, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: loco mullin | November 14, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Send that address along, dealer. Despite leaving the book out on my desk for four straight days/nights, no one has taken it, so I guess it indeed is yours.
:)
we gotta plan a 100k celebratory shabingus.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 14, 2006 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Dealer calm down bra. Give Coach Joe a chance. If does a Ramsey on us then we all should call for his head.

Posted by: jm220 | November 14, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Megskin hit it on the head.

Playing him this year isnt about getting us to the playoffs. Its about getting him ready for next year. We already blew this season if you havent already noticed. I am just glad I dont have to watch Brunells creaky tired arse get on that field on Sun.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 14, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

dealer,

I'm right there with ya, pal. This situation totally reminds me of P Ramsey's last year.

Gibbs and the rest of the coaching staff never said what you'd expect them to say about Ramsey back then... like "he's our guy" and "he's super smart" and "we have all the confidence in the world in him". Those were things, even though he wasn't starting, reserved for that dope Mark Brunell. And guess what? I/we were right. Gibbs wasn't comfortable with Ramsey and out he went after 1 quarter.

Unfortunately, I feel the same way about Campbell now. Yes, Gibbs has finally said that he's "the future", but my lord it took him 18 months to just say that. Now we're hearing things like "we've got to support him", "we'll throw him in there and see what he can do", "it's week to week", blah, blah, blah.

How about "we're turning over the reins for the rest of the season to our guy".... Instead we get "we'll take this day by day"????????????? "Mark may benefit from the rest and we'll see what happens"??????

You can read Joe and Al like a book and it's truly amazing... you can't believe a word that comes out of anyone's mouth down there. What's really sad is that even when we get good news like JC starting, you know in the back of your mind that Gibbs is already thinking about how to get "Mark" back in there.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 14, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

jm, i'm calm. i just couldn't believe what i heard from gibbs. as a fan it's very very disheartening to hear the same exact thing as you heard when he declared ramsey the starter: "mark's not done as a skin". this is week to week? depending on what? jc's performance? again are you f-ing kidding me?

and sucks, yes, he's an hof-er and knows who can play QB and who can't. which is exactly my point! if jc can't play then who's fault is that? and is it really helping jc's confidence by saying he's a "week to week" starter? i don't know what the reasoning behind that is. no one else does it like this. maybe joe IS smarter than bill parcells, bill walsh...

as Michael Douglas said to Apple's Mom(gweneth paltrow) in "Dial M for Murder" remake:

"That's not happiness to see me is it?"

when he announced JC as the starter.

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Joe's Christmas Present:

Testes. Big ones. Like the ones that Germanic Chief with the huge Polearm in the beginning of Gladiator had. But ones that can take a solid groin shot and render Gibby useless, similar to the 350 pounder from Bloodsport post Van Damme splits/uppercut combo.

I'm citing back to Megskins article on the '85 Theisman. Couldn't pull the trigger than, at least he pulled in now, with about half the record and twice the rating if you compare (from memory, so more of a guesstimate). I just think the city is stunned that he did it right now. I was expecting nothing till Hotlanta at the earliest. Is age bearing down him? He's feeling pressure to turn this around in 32 months, or less, I bet. If this was Gibbs v1.0, we'd be waiting out brunell for a while longer.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 14, 2006 11:39 AM | Report abuse

cindy, did you get it? i sent it to washpost.com i don't know if i remembered it correctly.

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 11:42 AM | Report abuse

dealer, give Joe Gibbs a break. Some people do not learn well when thrown to the proverbial wolves. If Campbell needs to be brought along slowly, then it will be good that Brunell is there to spell him.

Now, if Gibbs uses his Ramsey-knife to stab Campbell in the back and go to Brunell as the starter in 07, then that's quite another thing. But you're getting WAY ahead of yourself.

Plus, what do you EXPECT him to say. He hasn't buried anyone since he got here. Everybody gets the same thing: he's a big part of the team, he's real important, he's our punt return captain, etc. He wants these guys to keep preparing themselves in case they're needed.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 14, 2006 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Someone said (maybe Bucktown) some quip about how Jason should not pick up Brunell's check down habit. Someone else agreed and said its better to try and get picked off than throw a check down and pump the QB rating.

I disagree. When Brunell has a GOOD game, his check downs have been what keeps us alive. He is the master at not getting called for grounding. The problem is that he has relied on his check down passing to cover for his inability to get an open reciever ON TIME. [His fault is his that last 'pat' he puts on the ball right before he throws.]

The ability to recognize when the check down pass MUST be used is an effective skill that hopefully Jason can learn.

Jason is three inches taller than Brunell so his line of sight gives him an advantage over (literally) Brunell, but he still has tons to learn.

Hopefully, Jason will get off on the right foot to start learning his guts out.

Posted by: dcsween | November 14, 2006 11:52 AM | Report abuse

But you're getting WAY ahead of yourself.

joe, i agree that i'm getting ahead of myself. but i'm predicting totally based on gibb's history of his words and what followed there after. my fears aren't totally baseless here.

and i agree with everything about bringing the kid slowly and so on (bill walsh, i heard today on 980 did that with joe montana) and letting him know "hey, mark's got your back" "don't worry about letting anyone down...". but no one has said that. instead they've said this: ""Mark may benefit from the rest and we'll see what happens" WTF!!! Mark isn't the future!

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Meg, you need to chill. I was just trying to liven up the blog a little to see how people thought JC would perform this year.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | November 14, 2006 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dealer:
Got it!

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 14, 2006 12:11 PM | Report abuse

OK,OK

We need a new thread unless we are shooting for 500.

Posted by: SallieMae | November 14, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Meg, you need to chill.

Done. Sorry.

Posted by: Megskin | November 14, 2006 12:12 PM | Report abuse

There is a new thread SallieMae, and we've topped 500 before.

Posted by: Megskin | November 14, 2006 12:13 PM | Report abuse

There is a new thread SallieMae, and we've topped 500 before.

Oh - *blush*
thanks Meg.

Posted by: SallieMae | November 14, 2006 12:17 PM | Report abuse

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