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Lions' Schwartz mum on interest in Haynesworth

If Detroit Lions Coach Jim Schwartz is interested in acquiring Albert Haynesworth from the Redskins, he's not exactly tipping his hand.

In an interview with Grand Rapids radio station WBBL-FM, Schwartz wasn't directly asked whether the team would pursue him and he didn't offer up many hints.

"He's under contract with the Redskins," said Schwartz, who was Haynesworth's coordinator with the Tennesee Titans.

Tennessee's Jeff Fisher gave a similar answer last week when asked about Haynesworth, whose name will likely be tossed around in trade discussions next week. 

You probably shouldn't read too much into this, but Schwartz spoke as though it was a foregone conclusion that Haynesworth would be wearing burgundy and gold for a second season. He's as curious as anyone to see how exactly Haynesworth's skills might translate to a new defensive scheme.

"It will be really interesting to see with the Redskins is he fits into that 3-4 that they're going to run," he said. "He's always been a 4-3 player. I can see him playing really well at the nose and making a million plays and being a dominant player. and then you can also see the other end of that and see a guy who's been in one system his whole career and it's hard for him to change. So it will be very interesting to watch him this year."

There was another interesting Haynesworth piece by Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports. Robinson quotes an AFC personnel man as learning that Haynesworth was available and responding, "I don't clean up someone else's mess."

That seems to somewhat of a theme. The mega-contract Haynesworth signed last offseason might look like an obstacle to some, but it feels like a mistake to most.

From the Yahoo story:

"Yahoo! Sports reached out to six executives who did their diligence on Haynesworth heading into the 2009 free-agent period, and each blasted the Redskins on multiple fronts. From the absurdly front-loaded nature of Haynesworth's deal, to the scouting reports which suggested he wasn't a player who could be trusted with such a landscape-changing contract, there is very little sympathy in league circles for Washington's self-inflicted problems."

By Rick Maese  |  April 17, 2010; 12:11 PM ET
 
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What never gets addressed within this criticism is that Snyder banked on the majority of the guaranteed money hitting the team in an uncapped year, this way the only one really affected is Snyder. That is actually Brilliant

Posted by: Black706 | April 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I have faith that Shanahan and Allen will clean up the mess on their own one way or another.

Posted by: wattsicon | April 17, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Essentially, Snyder used the only leverage he had left in spending alot of money(30mil or so) to anyone else but him and making it disappear in an uncapped year (which he boldly predicted). This way he brings the biggest interior presence in the league to the team for what now amounts to Marcus Spears money from here on out. Give the man credit. Jason Reid should write something about how no one has noticed this to the point of writing an article about it.

Posted by: Black706 | April 17, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Just b/c some AFC exec made that comment does not mean someone won't trade for him #1. Also, my understanding is the next 3 years' salary for AH is/are actually below market value. If Shanny want him gone my bet is a trade can be worked out. Heck even if we have to give cash for this year's salary, who cares. Just get some picks!

Posted by: ECSkins | April 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Now Haynesworth is only guaranteed a few million and 16mil total with incentives for the next three years. Any other player in the league with a similar contract wouldn't fetch you a 4th rounder from anyone if they didn't play a premier position. If we trade him at that price, we could end up with a 2nd and 3rd. Either way, the 30 Million in guaranteed money paid in the uncapped offseason is going to pay dividends for us, even if it means we rented to resell for more. Julius Peppers isn't nearly that valuable to the Bears,is he?

Posted by: Black706 | April 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

worst free agent signing ever

Posted by: BMACattack | April 17, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Yahoo! Sports reached out to six executives who did their diligence on Haynesworth heading into the 2009 free-agent period, and each blasted the Redskins on multiple fronts. From the absurdly front-loaded nature of Haynesworth's deal, to the scouting reports which suggested he wasn't a player who could be trusted with such a landscape-changing contract, there is very little sympathy in league circles for Washington's self-inflicted problems."

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Come on JR--you're better than this!

You know that sources that don't name actual sources are useless!

Who gives a damn what people in the league think!

Next year the entire landscape of the NFL will be shredded anyway!

As for AH--I say--take Detroits very high third or forget it.

Make AH play wherever you want skins and if he balks--go after his money

What a useless human being--Okay--we made a mistake--but this forum is for real skins fans who could care less about what other people think about us and our team

Go skins

Posted by: imthedude | April 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree B706. Also Schwartz and JF are saying what they have to say. League rules don't allow you to talk about players on other teams ending up on your team, or whatever. And who cares about Yahoo Sports' report and what 6 other exec's may have said either now, or a year ago.

Posted by: ECSkins | April 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Agreed imthedude. And, while the contract may have been a mistake, or the signing for that matter, and the structure is open to 'criticism'....the reality is the NOW, the contract is very attractive. If he was a free agent and some team could sign him for what the contract calls for over the next 3 years teams would be all over it.

Posted by: ECSkins | April 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

worst free agent signing ever

Posted by: BMACattack |

No, Deon Sanders was still the worst.

Posted by: lordthrog | April 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what a deal. DETROIT keeps their second and selects SUH. We get OKUNG at #4 and three DETROIT picks, two (second and fourth) this year and one (second) next. HAYNESWORTH is history.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What is brilliant about giving a fat lazy turd 40 million guaranteed? So we get 12 games from a malcontent for that money plus maybe a 2nd round pick if we trade him. This is the epitome of what is wrong with professional sports. Get paid, become an ass.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid should write something about how no one has noticed this to the point of writing an article about it.

Posted by: Black706

That would require a brain and JReid aka Pinky is not the Brain

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Lions' Schwartz mum on interest in Haynesworth"


A pro football head coach declines to speak his mind five days before the draft.

Wow, that's news.

I bet the next thread his, "NFL draft war rooms have very little to do with real wars."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be a Redskin next year. Haslett will decide to stay in the 4-3 after Suh falls to the Skins. Shanny will get his turnovers with the pressure caused by Orakpo, Haynesworth, Suh, Jarmon/Carter.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"Lions' Schwartz mum on interest in Haynesworth"
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I'm actually surprised they interviewed his mum about Haynesworth.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"You probably shouldn't read too much into this, but Schwartz spoke as though it was a foregone conclusion that Haynesworth would be wearing burgundy and gold for a second season."


Yeah. We shouldn't put much stock in Schwartz's perspective.

Instead we should really just trust the rumor-mongering of media schlubs like Jason Reid who have no access and are on the way outside looking in.

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I agree with black706. In the NFL, you can't buy draft picks from other teams, but you can trade players for picks. If the trade goes down, Snyder will have essentially leveraged the uncapped year to buy whatever picks we get for Haynesworth in straight cash. So how many picks should 30 million bucks get us?

Posted by: crashinghero | April 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I read the whole yahoo article and while there is certainly allot of truth in it, parts of it were completely false.

Posted by: Jason10 | April 17, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

i like what coparker mentions..that all sounds good. however, we need o.linemen more than anything..who knows what coulda been if we wouldnt have spent years letting the line fall apart

Posted by: zorn_sucks | April 17, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not it was wise to give AH the contract he got last year is a stupid moot irrelevant point.

Of course it was a mistake. No one ever questioned that. Even if AH were a perfect human being, there's no way he lives up to that kind of $$. Only multiple Superbowl winning QBs in the vein of Montana and Brady are worth that kind of money.

Now that the deal is done, and the contract is mostly paid, we live with it. We don't correct one stupid decision with another - like sending him off to a team for a 3rd round pick.

But I'm beginning to think that for Shanny, the worst case scenario is that AH doesn't come to the voluntary stuff, works out on his own, and then comes back and plays like a BEAST. Because if it goes down like that, then Shanny loses his leverage in demanding that every player needs to goose-step to his tune alone in order to be successful. In fact, I bet that's exactly what Shanny is afraid of - even moreso than having AH come back as a fat underperforming slob - he's most afraid of AH doing it AH's way and then playing well.

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

That is actually Brilliant

Posted by: Black706 | April 17, 2010 12:28 PM

Brilliant would have been not signing the bozo in the first place. Setting the bonus to hit in the uncapped year was the ONLY way he could sign him given that he was up against the cap last year and couldn't pay the bonus then.

Posted by: League-Source | April 17, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I look at these mock draft lists and hundreds of them show Bradford #1 to the Lambs... But it's really starting to smell like that won't happen (IMO), unless as a pick & trade. His private workout with the Lambs (yesterday) was poorly planned, and only the OC and QB coach showed up, not Spags or others.

Thursday's gonna be interesting...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 17, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I love how NOW every NFL executive is a genius on how foolish the Redskins were to sign Haynesworth to his contract last year. The fact is that the offers to him from some of these same NFL executives from Tampa Bay and several other teams were also enormous, and would have still made Haynesworth the highest paid defensive player in the league. It reminds me of the saying, "Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan."

Posted by: jaypem | April 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Since when do teams engage in trades to help the other team out?

Posted by: drschnee | April 17, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth has been nothing but a problem child in all of his years in the league. Yesss he's a good ball player , yesss he can make others be better in their stats because he takes up room. No he is not worth the money they shelled out!!!! He will never conform to Shanahans needs and the team needs. It is time to have the Redskins be a team not a bunch or cry babies that want just money and not to play TEAM BALL. I would rather get picks and have them developement as a team player that all have one goal... WIN as a TEAM!!!! get rid of his FAT A--- We got to quit hoping this person will change and work with the coaches, he is showing it not going to happen

Posted by: cw7thmd | April 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth will be a Redskin next year. Haslett will decide to stay in the 4-3 after Suh falls to the Skins. Shanny will get his turnovers with the pressure caused by Orakpo, Haynesworth, Suh, Jarmon/Carter.

Posted by: coparker5

I like this..I like this...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | April 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"What a useless human being--Okay--we made a mistake--but this forum is for real skins fans who could care less about what other people think about us and our team"

What you mean "we", White Man??

Albert still rather most quite the Beast when he's in there, Moriarity, let's not throw Rosemary's Baby out with the bath water!!

Posted by: frak | April 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

From the absurdly front-loaded nature of Haynesworth's deal, to the scouting reports which suggested he wasn't a player who could be trusted with such a landscape-changing contract, there is very little sympathy in league circles for Washington's self-inflicted problems."
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Remember that Snyder is not the most popular owner among his peers. If they see him squirming.. they enjoy it. They also let him squirm when they wouldn't give him a 3rd round pick for JC a year ago before the 2009 draft when Snyder wanted Sanchez.
Snyder blew up the unofficial head coach salary ceiling/cap when he quadrupled the existing HC salary average by what he paid Gibbs 2.0. Since that Gibbs 2004 contract its been a trickle effect of escalating coaching salaries not only for Head Coaches but the assistants who agents immediately bench marked the Gibbs 2004 Contract.

The 31 other owners (especially small markets) havent forgiven or forgotten.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Just b/c some AFC exec made that comment does not mean someone won't trade for him #1. Also, my understanding is the next 3 years' salary for AH is/are actually below market value. If Shanny want him gone my bet is a trade can be worked out. Heck even if we have to give cash for this year's salary, who cares. Just get some picks!

Posted by: ECSkins | April 17, 2010 12:38 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

So, did you read the Yahoo article? It talks about how (1) Butterworth already has received 3/4 of his guaranteed money (30/40 million). And (2) if Butterworth is traded now, since he is motivated primarily by money, and would not be in a contract year next year (and has received a huge chunk of money already), then what incentive would he have for performing well next year? And so why would a team trade for that?

Posted by: hithere1 | April 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

worst free agent signing ever

Posted by: BMACattack |

No, Deon Sanders was still the worst.

What about Dana Stubbelfield?

Posted by: wattsicon | April 17, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"What a useless human being--Okay--we made a mistake--but this forum is for real skins fans who could care less about what other people think about us and our team"

What you mean "we", White Man??

Albert still rather most quite the Beast when he's in there, Moriarity, let's not throw Rosemary's Baby out with the bath water!!

Posted by: frak | April 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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a racial component?

You have personal issues friend!

"We" means the skins--really thought you could figure that out on you're own

You pay someone that kind of money to play a simple game and you act like that--yes--he is a useless human being

Posted by: imthedude | April 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Hanesworth is a beast when he is in the game. Suddenly, with him on the field, the Redskins have 2 guys with double digit sack totals. Not all his credit, but more goes to him than all the haters want to give him. Allen/Shanny hopefully do put the "best players on the field" like they said. Albert is the best defensive player on most fields.
If they were to move him anything LESS than a straight up trade for the #2 pick (so that he would be replaced by Suh and in addition ensures that Okung would be there at #4) would not make this team better. Even then, the Skins would only hope the #2 pick ( Suh and the guaranteed 25 to 40 million they would give him) is even close to being the player Albert is.

But, I like what the new guys have done so far. So, we will see.

Posted by: MDterpfan | April 17, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting thought...

I keep reading everyone's statement that AH helped Orakpo and Carter get 11 sacks each.

I propose the thought that, while AH did semi-effectively take on double teams at times, maybe it was actually Orakbo that helped Carter get his 11 last year.

I'd be interested to see which games those 2 made their sacks and cross-compare against when AH was on/off the field to truly gauge his impact on their commendable years, respectively. AH was only in 3/4ths of the games and was being hauled off by team personnel once every 10 plays or so (I exaggerate for humor), so there maybe some truth to my theory.

Thoughts anyone?

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 17, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Stop making this more than it is,he plays wherever & whenever the coaching staff tells him to. If he doesn't than he can start writing Danny checks ala Michael Vick,who really knows what is being said anyway. This all could be an elaborate ruse to see what value he could bring,if he can't bring in at least 2 high picks than what? We are stuck with a knucklehead that has already made his money and could end up being the premier nose tackle in the league, it's a win win. If we can get a couple of seconds fine,if not the guy better damn well play when and where he is told to play,if he doesn't we get back a bunch of money,he looks like crap and gets suspended. If he wakes up he crushes people,adds probably 4-6 years on his career and makes even more money,nose tackles don't grow on trees and this guy is tailor made for the position,who cares he never played in a 3-4 before,it's football,you snap the ball and tackle the guy with the ball. Simple even for him. Enough already Shanny is playing this right,watch it unfold and mark my words the big man ends up in the Pro Bowl as a nose,and when he's done here,he gets another mega contract to play ---guess what ---NOSE. besides who the he$$ ever heard of a prima donna defensive tackle, now the guy thinks he's T.O.,Ocho Cinco,Brandon Marshall,& Jay Cutler all rolled into one humongous mass, get serious, he's here,he's playing and he's ours,this ain't no party and he ain't no Riggo.Tie up the shoes big man it's time to play!

Posted by: mfowler1 | April 17, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Stop making this more than it is,he plays wherever & whenever the coaching staff tells him to. If he doesn't than he can start writing Danny checks ala Michael Vick,who really knows what is being said anyway. This all could be an elaborate ruse to see what value he could bring,if he can't bring in at least 2 high picks than what? We are stuck with a knucklehead that has already made his money and could end up being the premier nose tackle in the league, it's a win win. If we can get a couple of seconds fine,if not the guy better damn well play when and where he is told to play,if he doesn't we get back a bunch of money,he looks like crap and gets suspended. If he wakes up he crushes people,adds probably 4-6 years on his career and makes even more money,nose tackles don't grow on trees and this guy is tailor made for the position,who cares he never played in a 3-4 before,it's football,you snap the ball and tackle the guy with the ball. Simple even for him. Enough already Shanny is playing this right,watch it unfold and mark my words the big man ends up in the Pro Bowl as a nose,and when he's done here,he gets another mega contract to play ---guess what ---NOSE. besides who the he$$ ever heard of a prima donna defensive tackle, now the guy thinks he's T.O.,Ocho Cinco,Brandon Marshall,& Jay Cutler all rolled into one humongous mass, get serious, he's here,he's playing and he's ours,this ain't no party and he ain't no Riggo.Tie up the shoes big man it's time to play!

Posted by: mfowler1 | April 17, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Stop making this more than it is,he plays wherever & whenever the coaching staff tells him to. If he doesn't than he can start writing Danny checks ala Michael Vick,who really knows what is being said anyway. This all could be an elaborate ruse to see what value he could bring,if he can't bring in at least 2 high picks than what? We are stuck with a knucklehead that has already made his money and could end up being the premier nose tackle in the league, it's a win win. If we can get a couple of seconds fine,if not the guy better damn well play when and where he is told to play,if he doesn't we get back a bunch of money,he looks like crap and gets suspended. If he wakes up he crushes people,adds probably 4-6 years on his career and makes even more money,nose tackles don't grow on trees and this guy is tailor made for the position,who cares he never played in a 3-4 before,it's football,you snap the ball and tackle the guy with the ball. Simple even for him. Enough already Shanny is playing this right,watch it unfold and mark my words the big man ends up in the Pro Bowl as a nose,and when he's done here,he gets another mega contract to play ---guess what ---NOSE.Besides whoever heard of a prima donna d-tackle? What is he T.O.,Ocho Cinco,Brandon Marshall,& Jay Cutler all in one humongous mass? Strap 'em up big man it's time to play,this ain't no party,and you ain't no Riggo,it's time to play.

Posted by: mfowler1 | April 17, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

DO you really think the Lions will trade the #2 overall pick for Fat Albert? If that were to happen, Martin Mayhew should just resign immediately after making that trade. No one is that stupid. Matt Millen is not on that team anymore. They actually have guys who are a couple of ticks higher than Vinny/Millen. Hmmm, give up the 2nd pick in the draft and the potential of drafting a game changing D-Lineman for Fat Albert. Schwartz might have worked with him before, but he can't be all ga-ga over Tub of Goo Haynesworth like some people hope he is.

Haynesworthless for a 4th round pick is as good as you're going to get right now. As someone said before, a lot of league execs out there want to screw $nyder. At that price, it would probably be better just to keep Fatty and hope he shows up with less bacon fat on his bones.

$30 million for a 4th round pick. That's about right in $nyder's world.

Posted by: HawksPride | April 18, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

whu among you has never made a mistake? Was it a mistake or a stroke of genius, betting on an uncapped year. It would only be a mistake if we give him awaY FOR CHUMP Change. Lets pick up some high draft picks and build this team into a perennial contender.

Posted by: wheelerd | April 18, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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