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Lito Sheppard/Other Stuff

I mentioned Lito Sheppard a few days ago as a possibility and indeed it was. Despite the fact the Eagles are in the NFC East, Philadelphia has contacted Washington several times about Sheppard in recent weeks - more or less since the combine - knowing the Redskins have a need at CB.

The Redskins rebuffed Philly, however, league sources said. They do not want to do a huge contract right now, they have concerns about Sheppard's ability to stay healthy and they are not inclined to give up high draft picks right now. Philly was probing around on Shawn Springs, hoping to pry him, sources said, with the Eagles believing he could be highly effective at corner as well as safety with them already honing in on Asante Samuel quite some time ago. (The Redskins, meantime, had a lengthy dinner with agent Peter Schaffer during the combine - Schaffer is a big-time guy and Sheppard happens to be a client of his. While I do not know specifically if Sheppard's name came up during that meeting, several parties who happened to be in the same Indy restaurant that night believe it did. Regardless, the Skins have shown no desire to deal for him at this time and the Eagles continue to shop Sheppard).

Greg Blache, Jerry Gray and Jim Zorn are intent on keeping Springs, and have said as much during staff meetings, sources said, especially with Carlos Rogers's status up in the air (they aim for an October return but that's far from certain). To this point the Redskins have told Spring's agent they do not need to redo his contract for cap purposes, sources said, and have given every indication to this point that eh will be a big part of the 2008 season as is.

However, Springs is also the rare player to have clashed with owner Daniel Snyder - during last year's renegotiation talks - and stick around. Often when there are differences in such meetings - see: Bailey, Arrington, Coles, Pierce - said player does not stick around for long. A year ago the Skins were shopping Springs around, but given the club's corner situation and his strong season (he was outstanding in the second half in particular despite the heavy pressure placed on corners in man coverage in this system). He is someone they need right now.

Otherwise it's all quiet. Skins waiting to see if guys like Cartwright, Fabini and Prioleau come back to them should the free agent waters be still on their end (Fabini is drawing interest from Miami), and watching the WR market with particular attention. They don't want to break the bank but should the price on a guy like DJ Hackett fall, they could perhaps make a play. (The Skins have never been real players in the Javon Walker hunt, by the way, despite what you might read).

The draft continues to be a point of emphasis within the front office, and rightfully so. Defensive tackle is the top need in regard to amateur players (most veteran DTs have already been shopped and the Skins have expressed no interest in Dewayne Robertson to this point and are not expected to, sources said). The Skins could address either WR or CB in the high rounds as well, but I strongly believe they will sign an established WR or CB before then, because you can't count on finding immediate impact at DT, WR and CB in one draft, especially picking 21st each round.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 2, 2008; 4:23 PM ET
 
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Comments

I have to say that I am very surprised how the Skins are resisting the urge to "make a big splash" in free agency or the trade market.

I like it, but I am still skeptical.

Posted by: CBT | March 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

btw, first!

(since so many ppl seem to care about that sort of thing)

Posted by: CBT | March 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

3rd! Been waiting on some info all day.

Posted by: mikewink44 | March 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"The draft continues to be a point of emphasis within the front office, and rightfully so. "

The question then is: Is this just because of the circumstances of this year? I.e., a one year change?

Or is it indicative of a change in their approach long term?

And if it's the latter, did it play a role in their head coach selection?

Posted by: SteveMG | March 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Thank God we are going to keep our draft picks. That is how we need to build this team. There will be plenty of quality players cut in June, which we can sign at a better price. Maybe Danny and Vinny have finally learned.

Posted by: jimwell | March 2, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Springs and a Mid round draft pick would be a good trade for Sheppard.

Posted by: F0X | March 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

F0X, what are you smoking? Give up our best corner to a division rival (who, btw, just landed the best corner on the FA market this off-season) for a guy who may or not stay healthy, PLUS a mid-round draft pick? I'm not biting.

I wouldn't mind us picking up Cromartie-Rodgers if he's available in the first round and shooting for a solid DT prospect in the 2nd round (Trevor Laws, Dre Moore, etc.). Round 3-- Roy Scheuning from Oregon State as a future replacement for Randy Thomas or Pete Kendall at guard. The man's a beast.

Posted by: TDawg | March 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Bryant Johnson please sign him. A 6'3 guy who has great hands and was solid in the absence of Fitz. Here's your big receiver that could help JC and come at a cheaper price. He's not a big name, but would be a great addition to the receiver corps. Lets not F this up. Moss, Ocho, Hackett, Walker, take your injuries, your attitudes, and large contracts and stay clear away from the Skins........please.

Posted by: lurgee5177 | March 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Here, here, lurgee! I think Johnson would be a great #2 receiver for us, leaving that second round draft pick for a lineman of the D or O variety.

Posted by: TDawg | March 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Hackett is gonna be twice the player of Johnson. He's got much better hands than Johnson. He knows Zorn, it's the right fit. Just get it done and go into the draft thinking defense early, and oline late.

Posted by: kreitman4 | March 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

If they trade away more than one pick and its more than their 6th round they are screwing themselves.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Moss would pick the iggles or Packers over the Skins.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I would like to get a vet FA CB this offseason for depth purposes. With that said I think what the skinsneed to do is hope that there is a player at #21 that a couple of teams really want so they can trade down and pick up another pick in the first three rounds.

Posted by: mdvj | March 2, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

What a team doesn't do in the offseason is as important as what they do. I think Confusius said that. Good for not wanting to trade for or sign players with history of injury.

Of our offensive weapons I really like Cooley, Moss, ARE, Portis, Betts and Sellers. I'd like to see them wind up with a #2 receiver of equal quality. I feel Jordy can be the guy. But Hacket or a banged up Walker is not better than Reche Caldwell. And with Mix getting a chance in preseason I wouldn't mind if they did nothing in FA or the draft to get another WR. I say take Jordy in the second if he's there, otherwise go to war with what we've got.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

md, I agree, FA CB (F lito) over WR. And a move for more picks would be awesome. would like to have three picks in the first two rounds.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Falcons | Turner agrees to six-year contract
Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:51:57 -0800

John Murphy, of Yahoo Sports, reports free-agent RB Michael Turner (Chargers) has agreed to a six-year contract with the Atlanta Falcons. The deal includes $15 million of guaranteed money and is expected to be worth over $34 million in total.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

What a team doesn't do in the offseason is as important as what they do. I think Confusius said that.

That was on my fortune cookie the other day.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

DOes anyone have info on Andre Dyson? Is he any good?

Posted by: mdvj | March 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

md, I agree, FA CB (F lito) over WR. And a move for more picks would be awesome. would like to have three picks in the first two rounds.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 06:01 PM

Atlanta has the 37th and 48th picks.

Green Bay has the 30th and 56th.

The Giants have the 31st and 63rd.

The 9ers have the 29th and 39th.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't he invent the vacuum cleaner that doesn't suck?

Posted by: TDawg | March 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Saints | Gay reportedly agrees to four-year contract
Sun, 2 Mar 2008 12:16:05 -0800

ESPN.com reports free-agent CB Randall Gay (Patriots) has reportedly agreed to a four-year contract worth up to $17.8 million with the New Orleans Saints, according to NFL.com and the New Orleans Times-Picayune. The Times-Picayune reports the deal is worth about $6.7 million in salary and bonuses over the first two years, with a chance to go up to $9 million based on playing time.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I applause what the front offices is doing ? I have alway thought that the Redskins have been great at developing talent that has flown under the radar. Players like Pierce, Clemons, Clark, Golston, and Montgomery. The Skins should continue to play to their strength and continue to develop late round drafts pickss and undrafted free agents.

Posted by: mwill008 | March 2, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Bills | Team to talk to Crumpler
Sun, 2 Mar 2008 15:09:10 -0800

Frank Hughes, of the Tacoma News Tribune, reports the Buffalo Bills are expected to meet with unrestricted free-agent TE Alge Crumpler (Falcons). Crumpler is expected to make a decision Monday, March 3.

Aren't they happy with Robert Royal?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's great work like this that make JLC's hatchet jobs so headscratching.

I love these kind of updates. Great work.

Posted by: makalb18 | March 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Briggs staying putBriggs: "Thought I was headed to Washington"

Lance Briggs thought he had a new team--the Washington Redskins.

Shortly after he agreed to terms with his current team, the Chicago Bears, Briggs revealed that he believed that he was D. C. bound.

"I didn't think I was going to be a Chicago Bear. I actually thought I was headed to Washington," Briggs said. "At the last minute, my agent (Drew Rosenhaus) told me we had a deal with the Bears. We talked for a while, and I told him this was the deal that made sense."

From Tandler

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I like the sound of not grabbing Briggs. I still believe in Mr. Washington.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 2, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

A pretty good article on rookie GMs - Vinny is mentioned a couple of times.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeff&id=3270468

I applaud the change in FA market - but remember that necessity is the mother of invention. in this case, necessity is leaving $5 MM of your $10 MM cap space for rookies, so you can't really plash....maybe the only upside to past binges is preventing this years...

Posted by: clearycommerce | March 2, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

"However, Springs is also the rare player to have clashed with owner Daniel Snyder - during last year's renegotiation talks - and stick around. Often when there are differences in such meetings - see: Bailey, Arrington, Coles, Pierce - said player does not stick around for long. A year ago the Skins were shopping Springs around, but given the club's corner situation and his strong season (he was outstanding in the second half in particular despite the heavy pressure placed on corners in man coverage in this system). He is someone they need right now.
"

This is very misleading.

I thought is was Gibbs 2.4 who asked Shawn to take a $2Mil pay cut and he said no. Not Snyder. Where is the clash? He didn't want to take less money so they could have cut him and they chose not to. This is nothing like the others, and it still isn't.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs did not instigate the pay cut proposal-it was definitely FO.

I think the clash is that it was perceived that Springs was punished by not starting. Unclear to me however.

Overall old news though.

Posted by: clearycommerce | March 2, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Trading down for additional picks? It's a great idea but will be harder than ever this year. Remember - the draft slots have been reduced from 15 minutes to 10 minutes in the 1st round, beginning this year, so there will be less time to arrange the "right" deal.

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Another thought - there was somewhat of a precedent set last year for teams trading out of the lower half of the 1st round. Instead of receiving two lower picks in the 2007 draft, teams took a lower round pick in 2007 plus a 1st round pick in the 2008 draft in trade for a 2007 1st round pick. It might be difficult to get most teams to give up a 2nd round pick in 2008 in exchange for a 1st round pick in 2009, so that 2009 pick is only valuable to teams that are already well-stocked with talent.

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Final thought on the subject - there seems to be a consensus around the league that there is not a lot of true 1st round talent in this year's draft. If that is true, then there will probably be lots of teams trying to move out of the 1st round and gathering picks for later rounds and future drafts. Depending on where the talent cut-off is perceived to be, trading up might be easier than trading down. In that case, we may want to be looking for a fiber optics expert on draft day.

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Alge Crumpler has joined the Titans, a team flush with cap space and in desperate need of a boost to the passing game.

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

This is why you DRAFT defensive ends.

"Despite the presence of pass rushers Will Smith and Charles Grant in the starting lineup, the New Orleans Saints have secured the services of defensive end Bobby McCray.

Per a league source, the five-year deal is worth $20 million with another $4.5 million in escalators. He'll make $5 million in the first year of the deal.

The numbers imply that McCray will be a reserve in New Orleans."

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

tafka, I thought I read somewhere that logic was not allowed on this blog.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

i like what they are doing now. no big names or big paychecks. we need to build a team through the draft. especially that we have a good team and we are a few players away from building a great playoff team.
We need to pick Rodgers-cromatarie Dominique in the first round of the draft. in the second we should go for a DT/DE. The third round we need to address the G/C. and the later rounds WR, QB FB/ILB. WE have two big WR in our roster. so we need to work them out to see what they are made of. Also, We need to keep Caldwell for depth.

Posted by: patricklugo363 | March 2, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I think the Skins are just waiting to see if they can get Chad Johnson. If they can get him, it will likely mean they will have to trade for their #1 and #4 pick. To me, this would be a good trade because there are no proven player at #21 pick. Chad is the man and he talk the walk. I skins can get a decent player at #2 and 3 (offense line and safty).

E.

Posted by: demonj21 | March 2, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Another thought - there was somewhat of a precedent set last year for teams trading out of the lower half of the 1st round. Instead of receiving two lower picks in the 2007 draft, teams took a lower round pick in 2007 plus a 1st round pick in the 2008 draft in trade for a 2007 1st round pick. It might be difficult to get most teams to give up a 2nd round pick in 2008 in exchange for a 1st round pick in 2009, so that 2009 pick is only valuable to teams that are already well-stocked with talent.

Posted by: tafka | March 2, 2008 07:59 PM

BY all accounts, last year's wasn't deep at all. In fact Vinny C. has brought up that point quite often. He's referenced this point by mentioning the Pats calling the skins to trade up in I think round 4 or 5 and basically trade all of their day 3 picks for 2007. That may be why teams took picks in this year draft instead of a bunch of picks last year. Although there aren't a bunch of 1st round talent, this years draft is supposed to be deep at DL, OT, WR areas of need for the skins. Therefore teams needing RB, QB, CB, interior OL may feel the need to move up to get the guy they want in the latter part of the 1st instead of waiting for the 2nd. So it isn't beyond the realm of possibilities that a trade down wouldn't be there for the skins.

Posted by: mdvj | March 2, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mdvj | March 2, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

They need at least one corner (Rogers out) and one interior lineman in free agency. Especially if Fabini goes to the Dolphins.

They need another top shelf saftey too. Doughty is a nice player but aint it.

They may as well restructure somebody else or trade Betts, because those three needs (CB, S, OG) REQUIRE something to be picked up no matter what, just to function competitively in a 16 game season.

They keep mortgaging the future by sticking with Griff and Daniels and re-doing deals everywhere. If they trade first and fourth rounders for Chad Johnson, it will be a miserable, miserable season.

Posted by: DownTownClown | March 2, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Not the long term answer, but I would be interested in Flynn (just released by the Ravens) as a middle swing man (Rabach could do that as well, if Flynn is on the roster).

Depending on the injury situation (and I don't know if there is an issue) and the price, that might be a move to consider

Posted by: crandle913 | March 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

your terps are solidifying their NIT berth. they're about to turn a 20 point 2nd half lead into a home loss.

ugh

Adam

Posted by: argh | March 2, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

If they trade first and fourth rounders for Chad Johnson, it will be a miserable, miserable season.

Posted by: DownTownClown | March 2, 2008 09:19 PM

The good news is that it will be impossible to trade our 4th round pick this year.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Or next year, for that matter. When does Ocho's current contract end?

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that it will be impossible to trade our 4th round pick this year.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 09:49 PM

The way this would work is that the Redskins would have to trade their third round pick to another team for a fourth and additional considerations -- a fifth or a fourth in next year's draft -- and then we could trade the fourth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The way this would work is that the Redskins would have to trade their third round pick to another team for a fourth and additional considerations -- a fifth or a fourth in next year's draft -- and then we could trade the fourth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 2, 2008 10:11 PM

That would put us back to selling the future. I hope we have moved beyond that. And if the Skins think of that type of move, I would prefer they go for Moss and keep the picks.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 2, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

According to the Cincinnati Enquirer, Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said Wednesday that the team will not trade WR Chad Johnson and has never even discussed it. "No. 1, the guy has a contract through 2011, OK," Lewis said.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 2, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

And No. 2, the accelerated cap hit for Ocho Cinco is $8M in 2008. The Bungles wouldn't be able to afford two-color uniforms after that...

Posted by: daggar | March 2, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't want them to trade any draft picks. Draft day isn't as much fun if you don't have all your picks.

I also like for them to sign a FA or two (don't need them to sign four like they've sometimes done). That's the way to acquire a proven vet, not by trading draft picks for them.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins are changing their philosophy because they are starting to take the longer view. Gibbs wanted to come a build a solid foundation that would continue after he'd gone, some say. Maybe he felt a little guilty about how the Redskins had fallen on hard times after he'd left. But anyway, the whole organization wanted to win while he was here, and he only had the five year contract, and some had predicted he would complete all of that. So now that they've got Zorn, a guy they hope to have in there for ten years or more, they are perhaps thinking more about aquiring young players who might play for a while. They don't want to "win now" at the expense of the future. I mean I think there's been a gradual evolution by the Skins' FO, but the shift seems sudden because all of a sudden they're not jumping in at the start of free agency and they have almost all their draft picks for the first time.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins are changing their philosophy because they are starting to take the longer view. Gibbs wanted to come a build a solid foundation that would continue after he'd gone, some say. Maybe he felt a little guilty about how the Redskins had fallen on hard times after he'd left. But anyway, the whole organization wanted to win while he was here, and he only had the five year contract, and some had predicted he would complete all of that. So now that they've got Zorn, a guy they hope to have in there for ten years or more, they are perhaps thinking more about aquiring young players who might play for a while. They don't want to "win now" at the expense of the future. I mean I think there's been a gradual evolution by the Skins' FO, but the shift seems sudden because all of a sudden they're not jumping in at the start of free agency and they have almost all their draft picks for the first time.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Redskins are changing their philosophy because they are starting to take the longer view. Gibbs wanted to come a build a solid foundation that would continue after he'd gone, some say. Maybe he felt a little guilty about how the Redskins had fallen on hard times after he'd left. But anyway, the whole organization wanted to win while he was here, and he only had the five year contract, and some had predicted he would complete all of that. So now that they've got Zorn, a guy they hope to have in there for ten years or more, they are perhaps thinking more about aquiring young players who might play for a while. They don't want to "win now" at the expense of the future. I mean I think there's been a gradual evolution by the Skins' FO, but the shift seems sudden because all of a sudden they're not jumping in at the start of free agency and they have almost all their draft picks for the first time.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Didn't mean for the thing to post three times. Must be the ghost in the machine.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 3, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

And they've already pushed some of the cap # forward but if they don't restructure the rest, they'll save at least a little of the cap hit they would take next year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

My question is can the fans be as patient with the team as the FO has been with this FA so far? We are a few pieces away, IMO, and may not be able to fix/add every position of need. How are we the fans going to react to this change of philosophy if it does not translate to wins right away?

I hope to be patient, but my passion takes over during Skins' games.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Seriously what are the immediate needs of this team? As far as I see it there are guys who could start in every position on this team by opening day save for WLB. Truly, there is a lot riding on guys getting and staying healthy but what this team needs is not stars - unless it's Jared Allen - but depth guys that could start for the Texans or Dolphins.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Now cue the crickets and no one will respond to this thought.

Crickets, you're on.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

bben,
You're right. All the starters are very capable, but depth and player development are always critical. And depth is needed because starters always go down. And you must admit that if you do your homework, you can find player in FA and in the draft that are better than some of our starters.

Let's not forget 2007 proved that the NFC East is a very tough division (all of a sudden). With all the other teams out there trying to get better, we certainly have to try too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Woo hoo! The morning of the fourth day of free agency and the Redskins still haven't signed anyone except Todd Collins and they haven't traded a draft pick to anyone! I could get to like this feeling of nothingness, but does the Post really need two beat reporters to cover a non-event?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Stumped, "you can find player(s) in FA and in the draft that are better than some of our starters." True. But it seems that generally folks want to replace our best LB, d-linemen, CB, and often RB. I simply want depth. I want guys that will push Reed, Smoot, Daniels, Jansen - not replace them with pro-bowlers or guys that get paid like them (1st round draft choices).

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

I am with Bangkokben, the whole hater thing with a guy like CP Wash or Griff is lame. all guys would start on most any team, may not be pro bowl but they are all solid.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 3, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

prediction based on review of Nashville newspapers this AM ... between the Titans and the Skins ... one team gets D.J. Hackett and the other team gets Bryant Johnson. No indication which team or which guy goes first ... just that we are shopping in the same area within the FA rankings and are willing to pay about the same amount.

Also, dcsween's choice in FA (not a position listed by Jasno above), DE Antwan Odom, is visiting in Cincinnati and Arizona. When I try to get a job, I "interview." When NFL players try to get a job, they "visit."

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

I like too feel that its time to turn to the draft. Quick fixes hasn't worked. Its time to start to remove the dead money in our salary cap numbers. I don't know what they are, but, if we don't stop throwing money out the window, we will not have a winning team in the future. I can't even imagine the amount of dead money that is still being payed out to players no longer with the team. Its got to be in the millions. We better start getting our feet on the ground. Just think about it, if we had $43million right now like Tampa. I'm hoping for the best. Go Skins! John
PS. We can't spend what we don't have...

Posted by: eztiger44 | March 3, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

The dead cap amount for 2008 is only about $9.0 million currently (including the post-June 1 amount for BLloyd).

Happy Monday!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | March 3, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure the jints led the league in dead cap $ last year.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Sween,

You can addd Buffalo to that list of teams possibly trying to sign Hackett and Johnson. At least one of these teams is going to be left out of the fun. Based on salary cap numbers, we're betting it's the Skins on the outside this time.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | March 3, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Do you ever wonder why some teams have more to spend on free agents than others? Here is the answer:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/reuben_frank/03/01/cap.figures/index.html

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | March 3, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Seriously what are the immediate needs of this team? As far as I see it there are guys who could start in every position on this team by opening day save for WLB. Truly, there is a lot riding on guys getting and staying healthy but what this team needs is not stars - unless it's Jared Allen - but depth guys that could start for the Texans or Dolphins.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 02:06 AM

Left DE - to replace Phillip Daniels

CB - to play nickel in 2008 and probably replace Carlos or Springs in 2009

G - to spell Thomas and Kemdall in 2008; replace one in 2009

WR - legitimate starter with size at WR #2 and allow Randle El to move to WR #3.

OLB - to be primary backup for Washington and McIntosh. (Blades is a MLB; other backups are odds and ends.)

You can probably find all of these pieces in the draft except the OLB (weak draft class in 2008). Might want to look around in free agency for a LB candidate. Rocky may not be ready to go in September. Khary Campbell is the backup for now.

So the only real starter that needs to be replaced immediately is Phillip Daniels at Left DE. He can platoon in the DT rotation on passing downs, but his health does not allow him to be an every down player anymore. The most obvious candidates to replace Daniels would be either Merling or Harvey in the 1st round. (Forget Calais Campbell - he's a stiff.)

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | March 3, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm sleepy. Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.

Posted by: Dorf | March 3, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Right now, I couldn't be happier with the manner in which Free Agency has been handled by the Redskins. 45 million for Justin Smith? That deal makes Carter look like a STEAL. 17 Million for Randall Gay?50 Million for Tommy Kelly?? Who? 40 Million for a 31 year old Alan Faneca?? 35 Million for Kris Jenkins?

The Faneca deal reinforces what a great trade the Kendall one was. The guy who the Jets used to replace Kendall, Adriene Clarke, just got cut. Perhaps giving Pete a 1 million dollar boost would have helped prevent them from having to WAY OVERSPEND to get a guard.

If there is not some RIGHTEOUS indignation put out by the masses in the media regarding some of these deals, then they lost the right to EVER criticize the Redskins.

Happy Monday......

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Ocho-ocho,

I'm there with you about P. Daniels. This is the one position I would like to see the 'skins address. But even if we do take an end at #21, the likelihood that he would produce better results than Daniels is unlikely.

Daniels seems to hang in there every year with nagging injuries and then produces in the last month of the season. He's solid against the run and is 'super' strong. I would like to see some new blood there though. And if you're going to break the bank - which every free angent is this year - Jared Allen is worth the #21 and next year's #1. That's value in the amount of bonuses you'd have to pay those guys as well as production.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

P.S. Godfrey seems like a no-brainer at outside tackle as no one was interested in him last year.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Greg, right on about Faneca but he's not 31 he's 35!

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Crickets007,

Good list of needs. I agree with all.

Your suggestion that we can get suitable players for all slots but one in a single draft does not hold much water if you look at things historically.

If the skins trade down with a pick or two and avoid overspend temptations at QB and WR, maybe they get three quality players that make the team and contribute for 3+ years.

Posted by: DownTownClown | March 3, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

No he's not 35 only 31. Sorry for the misinformation. Please now have 6 or 7 bloggers fix the facts.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Cricket,

I agree with you we need to get an OLB in FA and I have one for you Landon Johnson, check him out you will be happy.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Looking at that ridiculous deal for Faneca......REDSKINS got a steal in Pete Kendall.

I'm liking this restrained approach.....GO SKINS!!!

Now the question will be D.J. Hackett at the right price??

Posted by: goosedude | March 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

If there is not some RIGHTEOUS indignation put out by the masses in the media regarding some of these deals, then they lost the right to EVER criticize the Redskins.

Happy Monday......

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 08:16 AM

Greg,

There will be no backlash against any of these teams, because there FO is structured the proper way, and there owners are not medeling. All you will heir is, they took a shot and the player did not pan out they will do better next time. These idiots in the media find it easy to bash the Skins because everyone does it, they do not want to have to come up with an original thought.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

goosedude, have you considered BJohnson instead of Hackett? My thought is that if Zorn wanted Hackett, he would be here. Sounds as if he may be injury prone.

Landon Johnson would be a great FA pickup. I like him at strong side.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Latest goings on,

PFT.com
POSTED 8:26 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

STEELERS EXTEND BEN

With some of the money that could have gone to keeping left guard Alan Faneca on the team, the Steelers have extended the contract of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

The news comes courtesy of Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com. Per Glazer, the deal will be announced later today.

Roethlisberger likely will sign the richest deal in club history. Then again, given the franchise's spending habits of the past 15 years, that's not saying all that much.


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POSTED 7:59 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

CRUMPLER AGREEMENT IS IN PLACE

Despite a denial from his agent on an arm of the Titans' official web site, we're told that tight end Alge Crumpler definitely has a deal in place with the team.

The contract hasn't been signed, but the deal (as Adam Schefter of NFL Network reported on Sunday) is done.

We're not quite sure why agent James Williams denied the fact that there's a deal in place. It could be that he was surprised by the fact that the word of it had gotten out, and that his knee-jerk reaction was to deny it. If so, it's pretty sad that the agent's first instinct would be to flat-out lie.


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POSTED 7:40 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

WARRICK WANTS OUT

Some Internet hack speculated for SportingNews.com in a free-agency Ten-Pack that the signing of tailback Michael Turner in Atlanta meant that Warrick Dunn's days with the Falcons are over.

Jim Trotter of SI.com reports that Dunn already has requested his release.

Trotter says that several teams would be interested in Dunn, including the Cowboys, Texans, and Broncos.

But as said Internet hack noted, Tony Dungy should consider bringing Dunn to Indy. Both left Tampa after the 2001 season, and Warrick still doesn't have the Super Bowl ring that he deserves.

And we think that Dunn's skills would fit nicely within the Indy offense. No offense to Kenton Keith, but the combination of Joseph Addai and Warrick Dunn is a lot more appealing in the Colts' backfield.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

km, I'd like to see them do SOMETHING in free agency, other than what they've done already. That cat seems like he's young enough, wouldn't cost all that much money. I'm so happy they didn't get involved with any of these high dollar guys. I'm not at all worried about Samuel playing for the eagles next year. He was such a 'system' player for NE.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Full Name: Bryant Andrew Johnson
Born: March 7, 1981
Baltimore, MD
Height: 6-3
Weight: 216 lbs. Age: 26
Pos: WR
Experience: 5 years
College: Penn State
Drafted: Year:2003 Round:1 Pick:17, Cardinals

YEAR TEAM G REC YDS AVG LNG TD FD FUM LOST
2003 ARI 15 35 438 12.5 54 1 20 1 1
2004 ARI 16 49 537 11.0 40 1 29 1 0
2005 ARI 14 40 432 10.8 41 1 25 0 0
2006 ARI 16 40 740 18.5 58 4 30 0 0
2007 ARI 16 46 528 11.5 30 2 33 0 0
Career 77 210 2675 12.7 58 9 137 2 1

This is the first time I have looked at Johnson's stats and you have to remember who he is playing behind in Arizona, he has no injury history I think he would be a good pickup, for the write price.

Zorn must know something about Hacket, because I agree with Kerzon if he wanted him he would be here.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

I agree I want nothing to do with the high priced FA, also agree on Samuel I think he is in for a big surprise next year the NFC east has some good recievers. There are not many good revievers in the AFC East.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

km, not only that, but the team he's on now doesn't have the talent that his former team does. The Pats have 3 #1 picks playing from left to right, and Bill B, is a GREAT defensive coach.

If the Redskins sign either Bryant, or Hackett, I'd still like for them to use a pick on a WR in the upcoming draft. Banks did a recent mock, and had the Redskins taking Devin Thomas from Mich State.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I agree with you on Samuel as well. I may take a bashing for this, but I think the same thing with Briggs. No doubt he is talented, but he played with a good Bears defense. There have been plenty of high profile players that did not do so well when they left their systems.

If we go for a WR FA, I would prefer BJohnson.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I think we should focus on O and D line primarily in the draft. Everything starts with the line. Skill players look a lot better when you have solid line play and the Skins are aging both sides, but especially on the offensive line.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

OE, not to mention we need to get younger on OL especially, but behind P Daniels.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

kerz, I think Briggs see's how much attention gets paid, and rightfully so to Urlacher, and Briggs is the beneficiary of that. I think he's another guy that got WAY overpaid.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Lorenzo Alexander can develop into a solid guard and Heyer looks legit at tackle. Hopefully there will be a tackle and a center/guard available somewhere in the mid-late rounds. They can use the early picks on D-line (hopefully not Campbell).

I honestly think they can get by this season by picking up a serviceable corner, safety and receiver in free-agency and focus on the lines in the draft. You can't go wrong building your team around good, young lines.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Here is a copy of the email and response that was sent and recieved by the writter in San Jose who stated in his article that we will eventually make the stupidest contract move.

i think you mean "someone should pull your press card and send you back to middle school (that's what YOUR writing reminds me of)." At least, that's what I was taught in fourth grade.

John Ryan
"Morning Buzz" guy
San Jose Mercury News
(408) 920-5266
jryan@mercurynews.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Campbell [mailto:limo-wreck@lycos.com]
Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 5:59 AM
To: Ryan, John
Subject:

You're a dumbass! All you have to do is look across the bay and you will see that the dumbest contract has already happened. Someone should pull your press card and send you back to middle school (that's what you're writing reminds me of). Loser.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

This was my response, it will be interesting to see what his reply is, if any:

Nice to see that you're paying attention. Thanks for the response. So, what do you think of the Oakland contract? I'm sure you know which one I'm refering to. I truly hope that you are wrong about the Redskins perennially bad contract negotiations (actually it's only been B. Lloyd and Archuleta). So far, so good. I hope you're man enough to admit it if you happen to be wrong. If I am, I will grant you the same courtesy.

Scott

PS. and yes, I did indeed mean YOUR. Thanks for pointing out my spelling errors while actually ignoring the actual intent of the email. I eagerly await YOUR response to the actual substance of the message.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Nice job. I like how he ignores that fact that what he wrote was incorrect, and grasping at best, and when he gets confronted on it, he tries to change the subject. Fraud. You're a journalist. Spend 10 minutes researching and you'd find that the Redskins were NOT going to be big players in Free Agency. You're supposed to be the professional.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

What a tool, he has no response to the content because he knows he is wrong.

I am glad I did not send him an email he would have been correcting my spelling all day.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

More news of the day,

PFT.com
POSTED 9:29 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

BENGALS FINALLY GETTING THEIR FAT GUY?

With a trade for defensive tackle Shaun Rogers imploding on Friday, the Bengals have filled the big spot Rogers would have occupied on the team's defensive line.

Per Michael Smith of ESPN.com, the Bengals tentatively have agreed to a trade with the Jets for defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson.

The price tag is a fourth-round pick and a fifth-round pick, slightly less than the three and a five that that the Bengals would have sent to the Lions for Rogers.

Smith reports that the deal hinges on Robertson agreeing to a new contract. He currently is owed base salaries of $6.8 million in 2008 and $4.5 million in 2009.

Robertson was the fourth overall pick in the 2003 draft, and the Jets traded up with the Bears to get him. In return, the Bears got the 13th overall pick in 2003 (they selected defensive end Michael Haynes), the 21st pick in round one (Rex Grossman), and a fourth-round pick (defensive tackle Ian Scott).

Like linebacker Jonathan Vilma, who recently was traded to the Saints, Robertson didn't fit the 3-4 defense installed by coach Eric Mangini in 2006. But, as some league insiders have asked us, why in the hell didn't the Jets stick with a scheme that fit with their players?

Steelers coach Mike Tomlin, a Tampa 2 disciple, didn't pull the plug on the 3-4 in Pittsburgh in 2007. As a result, Pittsburgh won't be giving away any of its high-profile defensive players.

Meanwhile, Robertson officially joins a crowded house of 2003 first-round busts among defensive tackles. In addition to Robertson, Jonathan Sullivan, Jimmy Kennedy, and William Joseph. The lone exception is Kevin Williams of the Vikings.


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ROGERS REFUSED TO MOVE ROSTER BONUS FOR CINCY TRADE

Tom Kowalski of Mlive.com has more info on the collapse of the deal that would have sent former Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers to Cincinnati. As it turns out, once the deal didn't get finalized by 4:00 p.m. on Friday, the Bengals proposed refunding the Lions the $1 million roster bonus that the team was on the hook to pay as of midnight on Saturday.

But the league told the teams that there was no language in the CBA that applied to this kind of a maneuver.

Meanwhile, the problem could have been solved if Rogers had merely agreed to postpone the trigger on the million-dollar payment. As to the Bengals, Rogers wouldn't do it. As to the Browns, he would.

It should make for some interesting signs and chants from the stands at Paul Brown Stadium when Rogers and the Browns go there next season.

And so, in the end, the Browns gave up a third-round pick, cornerback Leigh Bodden, and $1 million in cash and cap space.

One league source was surprised that the Browns gave up so much to get Rogers, who some league insiders (including our source) regard as a turd. The source also thinks that the Browns gave up too much by way of money and draft position to get defensive lineman Corey Williams from the Browns.

As we see it, the Browns are apparently going "all in" to try to pair with a strong offense a defense that can consistently hold the opponent under 30 points per game.


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POSTED 9:17 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

BEN BREAKS THE BANK

A source with knowledge of the new contract to be signed by Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger tells us that Roethlisberger will receive a practical guarantee of $38.7 million.

Ho. Lee. Crap.

It's a staggering amount of any team to pay in guaranteed money, and it's almost incomprehensible that the Steelers would do it.

Technically, the guaranteed money is in the range of $36 million. But it's arguably fair to include the first-year salary and a non-guaranteed roster bonus due at the outset of the 2009 league year, especially since portions of the second-year and third-year base salaries are guaranteed.

The deal is a six-year extension of the two years remaining on Roethlisberger's rookie deal. He is now under contract through 2015.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

That a$$'s article was trying to deflect attention from the stupidest contract to date. Jerk.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben's contract is presumably the stalking horse that JC's agent will be focused on (talk about a role reversal)

I would guess if they extend JC next year he would ask for at least 60% of that number...we better be sure he is our guy because that will be a big cap number.

Posted by: zornskins | March 3, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

km, as usual, thanks for the updates.

I cannot express how glad I am that the Redskins did not trade for anyone at this point. No thanks to ANY of them. I'll take my chance with the guys we have on the team already.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey Zornskins,

He needs to atleast win a playoff game before he starts asking for 60% of that contract.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

zornskins,

I think they should extend him now before next season. If he doesn't do well there will always be someone looking for a QB that will gamble on him. If he does well you have him locked up for a lot less.

Posted by: sams3 | March 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

Love the effort man, but wrong approach. Insults are not going to get a response. And if you don't want an explanation why write in the first place? If you really want to call the guy out, you slap him with facts, coherent writing and in a respectful manner. That way you box him into a corner that he either has to ignore (you win), spend time defending/answering with a reasoned case, or has to admit it was just a lame joke (you win).

Now if he answers you like a jerk than you let the siht storm fly. But your email just sounds like some lunatic hurling insults, so what kind of response did you respect?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Starting corner for starting d-tackle and then the Browns throw in a 3rd rounder and million in cap space. They must have liked what they saw in the 'skins approach in the recent past.

But then again wouldn't you if you were the Browns.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I mean:

"so what kind of response did you expect?"

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I have a question do the Bears plan on fielding an offense this year, or will they just come out on first down and punt, and then hope there D can score or force a punt, and hester will get them some points.

They resign there terrible QB's and they still have no WO's to speak of, and it is our FO that gets bashed atleast our guys try to make the team better, they make mistakes but I would rather have them then what the bears have.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

kpmg, Bears are investing big in defense and Devin Hester's return game. 3 and out, punt, PR touchdown, lather, rinse, repeat.

scamp, what's the back story on "limo wreck" (other than "maybe I should drive")?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The media bashes and hates on the Skins because they are the arch-enemy of the cowgirls. The media drools on the girls and by default have to bash the SKINS!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Good question regarding the Bears. Have to wait and see the draft. They may try to imitate the Vikings approach of last season - no qb, wrs and a stout defense. Who knows maybe Benson will become Peterson or they pick up McFadden.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Also, if midnight was when I completely quit on the Skins based on the FO, and I used to be at 11:59pm (post-Gibbs shabingi), the activity (plus inactivity) since the start of free agency has turned back my close to around 11:15pm.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The media bashes the Skins b/c it is easy, and Snyder is like an evil cartoon villain. Its just laziness and going for the easy laugh. Its like comedians who bash Carrot Top. Snyder is the carrot top of the NFL.

Its not some big conspiracy.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

by activity since the start of FA, I mean I agree with (1) sending The Zorn to Bahston to talk personally with The Todd, (2) re-signing The Todd, (3) replacing the team osteopath, (4) not tendering Nemo,* and (5) hiring a stretching (anti-hammy) coach.

* Watch this turn out to be like Chris Clemons v.2.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben,

I know I would imitate them. Have 0 QB talent and crumble when it counts. Philip Daniels ate that little rb for lunch.

Posted by: sams3 | March 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Demtric Evans is on Docs show, Doc asked him how the continuity of the team was holding up with all the changes. He said that we have the same players and that is all that matters, players will respond to any coach that is your job, but having the same players in the locker room means alot.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Also, watch Chris Clemons v.1 in Philly turn out to be Justin Tuck v.2 in NYG.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

As far as the media is concerened, the Redskins are the fat kid in dodgeball.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

Stop it. I'm thinking it but not typing it - superstitous. Seriously stop or I'll tell you how sunburned I got yesterday playing 5 hours of futbol in 97 degrees of sunshine.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

dc, are you serious? Clemons isn't even close to being the player that Tuck is.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"As far as the media is concerened, ..."

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 10:21 AM

"Not For Long" as an acronym for NFL only holds true for good news ... division champs, conference champs, beloved players, etc.

Bad news tags last for quite a while and are difficult to shake:

Skins - overspenders
Bengals/Bears - criminals
Titans - cap hell
Cards - overhyped underachievement
Panthers - on the verge of greatness (though better than Cards)
Lions - Lions

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

97 degrees of sunshine.

Posted by: bangkokben | March 3, 2008 10:21 AM

That's just not right

Posted by: jm220 | March 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), Clemons started for 2 games last year ... 8 sacks. This season is the second after the somethingCL injury, which means full recovery.

bangben, truce! screw that. UNCLE!

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I mean:

"so what kind of response did you expect?"


Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2008 10:03 AM

I know, I actually didn't expect a response and I guess I felt one idiotic article deserved an idiotic response. (Which I certainly accomplished). In the future I will be certain to take your advice.
Thanks CL

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 3, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

So far in free overspending, I'm rather pleased to see that MOST of the actual good players are going to teams that are not on the Skins regular season schedule ... with the exception of the Eagles who are having a Snyderific free agency (see??? I'm not even media and I can't quit ... its just become part of the conventional parlance).

I like how NY Giants are losing guys. Super Bowl, Schumper Bowl ... we beat the same Giants team a few weeks earlier.

Cowboys? Feh ... we don't play Miami next season either.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

dc, can't argue with those facts, but I'm not seeing it. We all saw what kind of player Tuck was in the super bowl, and Clemons isn't that type of player. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Bangben,

Where were you playing in the desert? LOL

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Hate to see Skins players succeed on other teams, but I believe that Wilson is every bit as good as Clemons or better.

Posted by: kerzon417 | March 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

We won't know until we see Clemmons in a superbowl

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

greg(b), OK for now ... but Tuck wasn't that kind of player a year ago either.

My solution to the guard situation ... re-sign Will Whitticker and get him to drop about 20 pounds. He was capably filling in that spot after the Todd Wade experiment failed and before his high ankle sprain. Skins need more babyfaced looking guys on the O-line, plus he was super tall (6'6") and Buges' go to guy in the post Other Todd era.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

dc, a year ago Tuck had a broken foot, and played only 6 or so games, but lets table this one for now.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone saying Calais Campbell might now be around in the second round...

Unfortunately, Campbell stunk it up at the combine and was even worse at his Pro Day.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Trail,

Did not heir about the pro day any details how much worse could it have been then the combine?

I think he could drop to the 2nd but he should also be evaluated for his play on the field.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

KMDP couldn't agree more but it seems like the what have you done lately thing... I will try and get more details on the pro day stuff... I still think if he is there in the second we have to take a hard look based on his play in college...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

yeah, if you could post the stats from the pro-day for Miami that would be great

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Per the nfl site, the Miami Pro-Day was 2/29 ... which seems a little silly on Miami's part ... to have it so near in time to the Combine.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I found some information on the Miami Pro Day,

Not true
KWALL : 3/2/2008 10:09 am
"Phillips, considered the top safety in the draft and who is expected to be the first UM player taken in April, said he did not participate in tests Friday because he and agent Drew Rosenhaus were pleased with the 40-yard dash (4.48)..."

He ran in the high 4.5s. And did not have a good workout at combine. He still hasn't run shuttles that I know about. Based on his 40 and struggles in drills at combine the shuttles probably weren't going to be impressive. He ducked them.

Here is some more info from NFL Draftscout;

"Needing to impress after each was classified as "subpar" at the Combine by some scouts, defensive end Calais Campbell and free safety Kenny Phillips may have instead solidified their status as second round talents. In fact, the most impressive athlete of the day was linebacker Tavares Gooden, who some scouts timed in the 4.4s in the forty yard dash and whose 39.5" vertical jump Friday would have led all Combine participants this year.

Campbell, according to sources, was timed "about the same" at the Miami workout as he had at the Combine. In Indianapolis, Campbell appeared both slower and weaker than many expected, timing in at 5.10 seconds in the forty yard dash and posting only 16 repetitions of 225 pounds. Cambell was visibly disappointed with his performance today.

Similarly, Kenny Phillips was once viewed as the elite safety in the draft, but with scouts timing him in the mid 4.5s to low 4.6s at the Combine, and some stiffness shown in his backpedal, league officials are cooling on the junior defensive back. Phillips elected not to run today, performing only drills. "

And.....

"Gooden was the player that had scouts buzzing after the workout. After missing the Senior Bowl to an injury red-flag, the workout sessions were especially important for Gooden. Teams will ultimately based their ranking of Gooden on medical reports after concerns about his neck sent him packing out of Mobile. But if healthy, Gooden could rise quickly as the draft approaches. Athletic and versatile, Gooden is jumping up the board due to his own merits, as well as the surprisingly poor workouts from other highly ranked linebackers.

Like he did at the Combine, quarterback Kyle Wright also impressed. Wright, ranked among the truly elite prep talents when he signed, has always had the raw talent scouts are trained to identify, but he struggled with consistency throughout his career. Wright's live arm and flashes of accuracy during the workouts in Indianapolis caught the attention of scouts. Some veteran evaluators believe Wright, invited to the Combine to serve as an extra arm for receiver drills, could be moving himself into the late rounds. "

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is sinking like a stone. 2nd round, heck, that cat might have sunk past the second into the third.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Still, Calais Campbell in the third round would be a good idea in my book. He seems a little underweight (for his height) and a season of coaching and "re-sculpting his body" might do a world of good, esp. if Phil Daniels can stay healthy all season. At 6'7", I still think its a good idea to make a move and coach him up.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Campbell, a 6-8 285 pound defensive end, struggled at the combine running a 5.06 in the 40 and was not happy with his time in Miami (pro day). "I don't know what I ran, but I know I didn't feel as smooth as I usually do," Campbell said. Despite his recent struggles and criticism, Campbell believes he will still be a first round pick. "I think I am a first round guy for sure". I thinnk I am an early to mid all the way. Hopefully I can show people I am one of the best players...

when was he planning on doing that??

Looks like he benched 225 16 times ouch...
as far as his 40 time they are not saying really just that it was slower than his time at the combine

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

almost all the mock drafts have him going in round 2 now...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Flashes of accuracy"? One swallow doesn't make a summer.

Wright couldn't hit a cow's ass with a banjo. He was only at the combine because I couldn't figure out a way to kill him through my TV set last year.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

He is going to be going up against some big tackles in the NFL, he seems neither quick nor strong, you have to have one to make up for the other.

I think if he falls to the 3rd he would be worth the pick, but someone will get him befor then.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins were able to land him in the third, that would be a steal.

Also, someone needs to let him know that of course he still thinks he's a first round pick. Just as long as he realizes that probably none of the NFL teams think the same way.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

" ... One swallow doesn't make a summer. ..."

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 3, 2008 11:11 AM

But it does make for a promotion from VP to Executive VP. ... Look for Kyle Wright to be Tony Romo's primary backup.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I think Campbell may have gotten too complacent everyone had him going in the first round. Funny thing is he should have skipped the combine it has only hurt him in the long run...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 3, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I knew somebody would jump on that.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 3, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

It wasn't a long run, Calais just made it seem like one. Maybe it's that extra syllable slowing him down.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 3, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Smack,
With you on Kyle Wright. What a waste of 3 years....makes Brock Berlin look like he was actually good. If anyone drafts Wright, they should know that he CANNOT win any sort of big game. Ever. Couldn't beat Florida State once. I think that every game he won as a starter was because of Miami's defense. What an fing choke artist. That's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

No kidding, dl. There have to be fifty better quarterbacks sleeping on park benches along Dixie Highway, and they go to California for this numbskull. Sad.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, more news of the day.

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POSTED 11:33 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

WARRICK GETS HIS WISH

A day after signing running back Michael Turner to a long-term deal, the Atlanta Falcons have parted ways with veteran tailback Warrick Dunn.

The team has announced that Dunn has been released. He reportedly asked to be let go after Turner was acquired.

"Warrick Dunn holds himself to the highest standards of the National Football League," said Falcons owner Arthur Blank in a team-issued release. "His contributions, not only to the Falcons but to the entire NFL both on and off the field, have been well documented. The legacy he leaves in Atlanta will be long-remembered and appreciated by his fellow players, fans and the community. In my mind, Warrick will always be part of the Falcons family. At times like this our hearts are heavy, but the nature of the game sometimes requires making these kinds of decisions, however difficult they are for all of us. I wish Warrick continued great success in his future endeavors."

Perhaps better known for his time in Tampa, Dunn actually spent one more season with the Falcons.

He instantly becomes a free agent, and he may sign with any other team.

Dunn, who last week was named the inaugural recipient of our Joe Delaney Award, has rushed for 10,179 yards and has more than 4,000 receiving yards. He was named the NFL's Walter Payton Man of the Year in 2004. B

Because Dunn spent much of his first five NFL seasons splitting touches with Mike Alstott in Tampa, Warrick still has plenty of tread on the tires. Moreover, he would immediately infuse a high amount of character into any NFL locker room.

If we were running the show for any of the other 31 NFL franchises (and fans of each of those teams should thanks the Heavens every moment of every day that we aren't), we'd sign Dunn right now.


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POSTED 11:23 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

NO TRADE YET FOR ROBERTSON

Though the Jets and Bengals have agreed to terms on a trade for defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson, Robertson's agent says that a deal is far from done.

Hadley Englehard (whom you might recall as being the guy who got suspended for giving ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli his password to access the proprietary NFLPA database) tells Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News that there's no agreement with the Bengals on a new deal for Robertson.

"We have not agreed to a contract, not by any stretch," Englehard told Cimini.

Robertson is due to earn a base salary of $6.8 million in 2008. There's also a $3 million roster bonus due in June.

As a practical matter, Robertson holds all the cards here. Since Robertson has received permission to try to work out a trade, Englehard has been able to gauge the market for his client if he were to hold firm and be released. And teams presumably would be willing to kick more money to the 2003 first-round bust if the move also didn't require coughing up a couple of draft picks.

Robertson undoubtedly will be cut by the Jets before June 1. Typically, teams will trade for a player who is going to be released if his current contract is more palatable than the deal he'd get on the open market. In this case, it surely would be cheaper to sign Robertson as a free agent than to pay him what he's owed this year and next.

Meanwhile, let's call this what it is -- an effort by the Jets to make turd salad. Whether the team is using a 4-3 or a 3-4, Robertson is and has been a bust. And even though coach Eric Mangini was in New England when the Jets gave up two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder in order to draft Robertson while Kevin Williams and Ty Warren were on the board, G.M. Mike Tannenbaum was part of the front office when the decision was made to trade up for a guy whom they might not now be able to give away.

Then again, Tannenbaum can blame the move on former G.M. Terry Bradway. But Bradway also happens to be the guy whom Tannenbaum hired to be in charge of evaluating personnel.

So, um, never mind.


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POSTED 10:58 a.m. EST, March 3, 2008

LEAGUE WARNED TEAMS ABOUT TAMPERING

Peter King of SI.com reports in his Monday Morning Quarterback column that the league office issued a memo to all teams on January 31 reminding them not to engage in early discussions with free agents.

Said the memo, a copy of which was obtained by King: "You are specifically reminded that any contact -- direct or indirect -- by one club with players under contract to another club, about potential future employment, is not permitted. Such contacts could potentially interfere with the employer-employee relationship of the second club. Further, any public or private statement of interest, qualified or unqualified, in another club's player to the player's agent or representative, or to the news media, is a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy.

"These rules are in effect at all times that a player remains under contract; the anticipated expiration of a player contract at the beginning of the upcoming League year (that is, a player's expectation that he will soon become a free agent) does not excuse impermissible contact prior to such contract expiration.''

But because the league doesn't investigate potential violations of this rule absent a complaint from one of the teams, there likely won't be any fallout from, for example, the strong possibility that the Dolphins had advance contact with 49ers guard Justin Smiley before signing him to a contract within 27 minutes after the free-agency period opened.

King also hints that the Eagles tampered with former Pats cornerback Asante Samuel, who signed with Philly on Friday. "[H]ow did I know the Eagles would be the leaders in the clubhouse for Asante, including details about the money in the deal, nine days ago?" King writes.

King's bottom line, with which we firmly agree: "We've got to stop pretending this doesn't exist, and the league has to stop selectively enforcing some rules and not others. If there's an anti-tampering rule, the NFL must enforce it the way it enforces other rules."

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Good news on Javon Walker. He's a malcontent with health issues.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | March 3, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

You know, time and time again I read on here about people bashing the front office during Gibb's reign. Don't forget Gibbs was part of the FO. In fact he was the president of the team, not just the head coach. In fact I bet Vinny reported to him.

Posted by: JoeyV | March 3, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

km, thanks for the updates.

As far as Kings indignation regarding tampering with free agents, I just don't see how you could track something of this nature. The team doing the tampering obviously isn't going to implicate itself, and the player getting tampered with isn't going to rat out his new employee.

Pete needs to find another cause to get behind...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Jets gave up two first-round picks and a fourth-rounder for Robertson and what did he give them in 5yrs of play 14.5 sacks. I want to know why other FO's around the league do not get bashed for this kind of move.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Joey,

Best remark of the day alot of people on here act like Gibbs had nothing to do with the FO that is crap is was in charge.

I also like how people suggest he is behind the new philosophy of not speding in FA, I seem to remember him being very aggresive in FA, he only stopped last year and we still do not know the reason for that.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

km, Robertson was two firsts, and Vilma was another, not exactly a stellar record....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

What does anyone think about signing Randy Moss and trading away our 1st round pick for a 1st next year and a Second round this year. From all accounts that I hear the DE's and WR stocks have fallen greatly. I think we could work with two second rounds and the rest of our picks.
??????????

Posted by: keithfbutler | March 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

km, Robertson was two firsts, and Vilma was another, not exactly a stellar record....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:16 PM

And now there trying to get rid of both of them, great job.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Keith,

I trade for picks could be interesting.

No Moss, for one we can not afford him even if we resigned the entir team, he will get 25-30mil guaranteed.

Second he would be a cancer on this team we have a young QB and unless you want to see him yelling at JC on the sideline in every game, i suugest we stay away.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Believe me the Jets FO takes a ton of heat up here in NYC....

Mangenius is another example of the modern coach who is so in love with his "system" that he is willing to blow up rosters to get players that fit it.

Simply idiotic in todays cap NFL. A good coach creates systems per the talent and abilities of the players.

Vilma was on the path to being a London Fletcher type middle linebacker in a 4-3. Was a great draft pick and the heart of the team, but whoops he does "fit the scheme" so he's gotta go...

F the jets....wont pay Kendell an extra 1 mil but than blow up the cap for Faneca?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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POSTED 12:30 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

MOSS DEAL DONE?

We're picking up preliminary, uncorroborated rumors that receiver Randy Moss has agreed to terms with the Patriots.

Again, this is preliminary. And uncorroborated.

But it's what we're hearing from one of our sources. Stay tuned.

Perhaps the news of Ben Roethlisberger's jaw-dropping deal prompted the Pats to sweeten the pot with Moss having to track down a better offer elsewhere.


Thank the lord.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

kmpd once again I concur you cant have a receiver greater than you QB....

One of the reaseons Moss has worked out so well in New England is Tom Brady... The first time Moss tought JC wasnt looking his way enough he would be getting an earful. Likewise if JC missed Moss on a connection downfield Moss would be in his face. JC is still developing and doesnt need the added pressure of his receiver barking at him on the sideline

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

cl, justified, as far as the heat they're getting is concerned. Robertson was just a bad move alltogether, he was never worth the 2 firsts they paid to move up to get him. Vilma, however was another story. He was a good young up and coming player.

km, the pats will be lauded for this move. Had the Redskins signed him to the same DOLLAR for DOLLAR deal, they'd be morons.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice little bit of confidence to hear from Jason Campbell in an Q&A posted at the skins site:

Q: What did it mean to you to hear that Coach Zorn had designated you the starting quarterback?
A: "I didn't have to hear that. Deep down inside, I know I'm the starter of the team. This is my team. One thing I want to do is just focus on the things I need to do become one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL, lead my team to playoffs and try to bring home a championship. That's our ultimate goal. One thing we have to do right now is just continue to build together and work together."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=643

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

km, the pats will be lauded for this move. Had the Redskins signed him to the same DOLLAR for DOLLAR deal, they'd be morons.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:49 PM

That's because Moss is a key part of their their offense and they've proven they can handle him on and off the field. Not sure anyone else could do that. The Skins would have to be crazy to go for Moss (R), he would tear the team apart no matter how well he performed on the field.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

According to Rotoworld.com Bryant Johnson is going to visit us this week if Buffalo does not sign him.

Rotoworld also listed earlier that DJ Hackett expects to hear from us this week as well.

Take it for what its worth.

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | March 3, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

rc, could moss not be a key part of the Redskins offense? So the Redskins just have a bunch of guys playing on the team with no backbone? No one on the team, would tell him/put him in his place?

I don't know that I agree.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Trail,

I think once he gets this big contract from NE, and he feels secure you will start seeing him challenge Brady as well.
He did not say a word last year because he wanted everyone to think he has changed, and because he was setting records and the team was winning, lets see what happens when they hit some bumps in the road.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I think we all agree the Skins need to beef up the O-Line, but I'm worried about the corner position. I say we get a mid-tier free agent corner after the dust settles and draft a guy into the system. I predict they will draft two corners. What's interesting is that everyone thought the Skins goofed by not picking any D-Lineman in last year's draft. Who new that we had some good young talent. We need a stud D-End this year though.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

No one on the team, would tell him/put him in his place?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:55 PM

You mean like they did with Lloyd, Brandon, such as?

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

That's because Moss is a key part of their their offense and they've proven they can handle him on and off the field.
Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 12:52 PM

They can handle him on and off the field when he is auditioning for a job, wants he has that contract they will not be able to do anything to him.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge (that's also sicwidit, right?), I agree re: CB. Looking at the roster, the draft should be about getting the 2009 replacements ready for (1) Pete Kendall, (2) Shawn Springs, and (3) Phillip Daniels. Given that Carlos Rogers is out for a while next season, someone ready to be #3 CB is kind of a "right now" proposition (and I'm thinking free agency), but I would not be surprised if they went after two CBs in the draft in the same way they went after two LBs with Sartz/Blades (which was inspired, in part, I think by the non-roster making of McCune/Simon).

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Brunell out...

Campbell and Zorn, along with third-stringer Sam Hollenbach, spent Friday morning working on footwork drills because the coaching staff has not completed the playbook. But Campbell knows it's a West Coast offense.

"I like the offense," said Campbell, who starred in the scheme as a senior at Auburn. "That was one of my best years. I completed 70 percent of my passes.

"I feel I'm 100 percent, back healthy and working out to try get in the best shape possible," Campbell said. "I'm excited to have Todd back. It's been great working with him over the last two years, someone that has helped [me] out developing at the position. You never know when a guy has to come in and be able to play. He did an outstanding job last year. You always need a guy [as the backup] you can count on."

good stuff... Campbell also said it has been great having Zorn around and he feels as though he is a great mentor

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Randy Moss is a great receiver, but he tanked it Oakland and at times in Minnesota. We'll know if he's truly changed if he's on a mediocre team. 18-0 will make anyone play well...for a basketball analogy, look at Dennis Rodman and the Bulls. BEAST!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

rc, could moss not be a key part of the Redskins offense? So the Redskins just have a bunch of guys playing on the team with no backbone? No one on the team, would tell him/put him in his place?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 12:55 PM

Okay, let's put it this way:

Pats: Future HOF QB, future HOF coach, 3 Super Bowl titles between them, new NFL points record last season with Moss as key part of offense.

Skins (along with many other NFL teams): Inexperienced QB, first year coach.

Er....

Why would you think Moss (R) is the missing piece that transforms the Skins into a Championship team? On his game he makes ANY NFL team better, but he needs a strong team (QB and coach) around him who can get him to buy into the team goal enough to subvert his ego. Obviously the Pats can do that, very few other teams (Indy maybe?) could do it otherwise. I think even the Gints would struggle with him as they won't get him the ball enough and God help you if you ever lose when you don't get him the ball enough.....

I suppose I'm saying:

Moss (R) back to Pats; last piece of offensive puzzle returns.
Moss (R) to anyone else: Plashy signing to drive up jersey sales.

Feel free to disagree, but I believe you have other greater areas of need right now.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The way to make any diva WR happy and quiet is to put them on the field with a QB who can get them the long ball ... Brady/Moss, Owens/Romo, anybody/Manning, anybody/Favre, Chad Johnson/Carson Palmer (good version) ... otherwise, you get crap like Porter-Moss/whoever that Oakland QB was, Chad Johnson/Carson Palmer (last year version), Lloyd/Brunell, such as.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

agree to disagree, so there are 31 other teams that can't handle randy? Not sure I see it that way. I think GB could have handled him, for one.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

sween...

yeah, it's me, sicwidit. I like Sean Springs but it's a real gamble thinking he can play two full healthy seasons in a row. I think Smoot is better than most give him credit for. I love his attitude and swagger, something I think Rogers' lacks (although he's a good corner). Smoot is injury prone too. Torrence is fast but small. Doughty is physical and plays well, but God help us if Landry goes down. We need a young corner with size and speed.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 3, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

On the Skins roster site, they still list the UFA guys who have not signed elsewhere. Also, all the new guys signed since the start of the offseason now have numbers.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

agree to disagree, so there are 31 other teams that can't handle randy? Not sure I see it that way. I think GB could have handled him, for one.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 01:07 PM

Agreed, but GB have a STRONG QB and a strong coach, even though the coach is inexperienced. The key to handling Moss is the QB IMHO. Brady even asked to have his locker moved next to Moss' when he came to NE. Brady is Belichick by proxy, and much as I don't like BB, he knows how to coach and how to reach guys.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or is Randy Moss the most overhyped "cancer" out there? I really don't see him being that bad in the locker room, truly. To me, he seems like Brandon Lloyd (with much, much, much more talent). Both are egomaniacs, both pick and choose when they want to play, but neither are anywhere close to being as loud as TO, Keyshawn, or Chad Johnson. I've only seen one outburst from Lloyd (throwing his helmet on the sideline), and to tell you the truth, I don't think I've ever seen Moss chewing off someone's ear (QB or coach). He may have antics, but he doesn't seem like a locker room killer. I don't ever remember outbursts from Moss when he was on the Raiders. He was unhappy and he didn't try hard, but he wasn't out there ripping apart the locker room and killing his QB's/coaches to the media. TO, Keyshawn, and CJ actually have the gall to kill their teammates mentality. Moss, in my opinion, doesn't do that (to that extent). If he doesn't perform or isn't happy, he kinda just keeps to himself. He doesn't try to bring down the people around him. I just think the media loves having that guy in the limelight, so they over-exaggerate everything he does (or doesn't do) as some type of team confidence-killer. My personal opinion of the guy.

Posted by: psps23 | March 3, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
I agree with you in principle, but would argue that any team with a WR need in the Pat's division would probably benefit from acquiring Moss.

He may not transform the team and take them to the super bowl, but you've also weakened the offense of your divisional rival. In a case like this you've helped yourself twice.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know if Brunell is officially no longer apart of the Redskins? Please let me know as soon as he is gone, I have a Cigar I have been saving for the last 4yrs for just that ocassion.

And I do not even smoke.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I think you could throw Pitt in there as well, Tomlin wouldn't put up with Moss acting like an idiot.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I think you could throw Pitt in there as well, Tomlin wouldn't put up with Moss acting like an idiot.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 01:14 P

Agree greg. And for all his youthful stupidity I think Roethlisberger could handle him too.

I think it just comes down to the fact that your coach and QB need to be comfortable enough in their position within the organization that they can set their ego aside and just show Moss up for all his good stuff.

Case in point where that couldn't be made to work? McNabb and TO. Because McNabb has to look over his shoulder every season up in Philly he couldn't afford to indulge TO any longer for fear that he became a casualty.

All just one man's opinion though!

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Of the top 17 CB in FA as listed on Scout.com all the young ones have either signed or they are RFA. I am not sure what you have to do to sign a RFA but i think you have to give up a pick, No thanks.

I do not think we can adress CB in FA, not sure what we are going to do there.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Greg, more news.

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POSTED 1:13 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

BELL STAYS PUT

A league source tells us that Dolphins safety Yeremiah Bell has opted to stick around.

Per the source, Bell has agreed to a one-year, $1.4 million contract. The move also is being reported by Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

Bell started the 2007 regular-season opener, but suffered a ruptured Achilles' tendon and missed the rest of the year.

He'll get a chance now to prove that he is healthy, and he'll re-enter the free-agent market in 2008. (Unless, of course, he plays so well that the team opts to restrict him with the franchise tag.)


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POSTED 1:05 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

TUNA IN TROUBLE?

We've got no real strong feelings one way or the other about Dolphins V.P. of football operations Bill Parcells. But we've noticed over the past few months that his apparent zeal to turn around a franchise that has figured out how to be consistently mediocre in the free-agency era (Dan Marino's presence masked it for much of the '90s) has caused the Tuna to create the appearance that he isn't respecting one or more of the rules that apply (in theory) to all 32 teams.

It's ironic, really, that while the team coached by the guy whom Parcells mentored and managed by the guy whom Parcells' daughter married is being relentlessly vilified for getting caught with a video camera in the cookie jar, the Tuna's tactics have been largely ignored.

First, there was the whole "I want Jeff Ireland to be my G.M. and if it means giving him 'final say' even if he doesn't really have it then let's do that" thing, which allowed Parcells to pilfer Ireland from the Cowboys even though no one believes that Ireland will so much as buy a new pair of bowling shoes without first consulting the boss. (To his credit, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones opted not to take a stand on this one, even though he could have.)

Second, there was the whole "I want Tony Sparano to be my coach and if it means giving him the job and telling him to shut up until the Cowboys lose in the playoffs then let's do that" thing, which allowed Parcells to begin rounding up Sparano's staff a couple of weeks before Sparano officially had the job.

More recently, the Fins obviously tampered with former 49ers guard Justin Smiley, and made no bones about it by finalizing his contract minutes after the official launch of free agency.

This time around, however, Parcells might have provided the league with enough ammunition to act. A league source recently pointed out to us this nugget from Peter King's "Ten Things I Think" in his MMQB: "I think you shouldn't make too much of this, but Bill Parcells, czar of the Dolphins, holder of the first pick in the draft, called Boston College coach Jeff Jagodzinski the other day and requested video of every one of quarterback Matt Ryan's 654 passes last fall. I still say Ryan at No. 3, to Atlanta, makes the most sense. "

But there's a problem with that. The source said that this practice is "very much against league rules, which forbid teams from contacting college teams for college video."

The source also pointed out that the teams get a strongly-worded memo each year regarding this practice.

If it's indeed a violation, the league clearly needs to step in. Stay tuned as to whether it does.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

kmpd I like the cut of your Jib...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

rc, your thoughts on the Phins spending spree....Smiley, Wilford, etc.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | March 3, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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POSTED 1:24 p.m. EST, March 3, 2008

ODOM LOOKS TO MINNESOTA

With the Vikings missing out on an opportunity to woo free-agent defensive end Justin Smith, the Vikes are now setting their sights on Antwan Odom of the Titans.

Odom reportedly plans to blow off a visit with the Cardinals on Tuesday, and instead he will visit the Twin Cities. For now, he's spending time with the Bengals in Ohio's Queen City.

The Cardinals are also interested in Titans defensive end Travis LaBoy, who was Odom's backup in Tennessee.

Meanwhile, it's unclear what the Titans will do to replace either or both of them. There previously was talk of the Titans trying to reunite with Jevon Kearse, who was cut last week by the Eagles.

I think we could get LaBoy pretty cheap and for a backup he has some good stats.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on Fins FA acquisitions (so far).

OG Justin Smiley
Makes sense, he's a Parcells type of o-line guy. Wish he hadn't cost so much though!

NT Jason Ferguson
Effectively a 6th round pick for a starting NT for our 3-4. He'll only last 1 or 2 years but I think we'll address in the draft.

QB Josh McCown
I don't rate him highly but he's still better than Cleo Lemon!

OLB/DE Calvin Pace
He didn't sign the Fins contract and went to visit with the Jets but I think we'll get him. Only problem is he wants Joey Porter money and Porter didn't deliver last year...

WR Ernest Wilford
Will be great for us, he could really move the chains well and will be a great foil for Ted Ginn who (I think) will have a breakout year in 2008.

TE Sean Ryan
A good upgrade from where we were, which was awful.

DL Randy Starks
LB Reggie Torbor
LB Charlie Anderson
These guys upgrade our Defense right away. Oddly enough our seondary was showing life by end of 2007 (I suppose you get plenty of practice when people throw at you that much!) so it's good to see we are upgrading the front 7 first.

The thing that pleases me most is that with the exception of Ferguson, these are all guys who are in the first 5 years of their careers. Sems like we're building the core of a good team.

Now if only we can find a quarterback!

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I hear Brunell's available, Redcoat. Just sayin....

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I guess I asked for that 4-12!

Maybe we could send you McCown for Todd? :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

" ... I don't rate him highly but he's still better than Cleo Lemon!"

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 01:46 PM

Damb that feint praise (intentional misspellings).

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Jasno, where is the update.


Free agent Bryant Johnson revealed Monday that he has a meeting scheduled with the Redskins.

It sounds like no visit with the Bears has been set up, despite multiple reports coming out of Chicago. Johnson is still at the Bills' facility and they could put on a full-court press to make sure he doesn't leave Buffalo.

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | March 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I know 'sween. I just can't get excited about McCown, but at least he alternates between good/rubbish.

Poor old Cleo (and Joey/Daunte before him/and Jay*/Jay/Sage before them) just alternated between rubbish and atrocious.

With the exception of Jay Fiedler's stellar performance against the Skins/Grrls back in 2003. :-) Jay Feeley on the other hand never did anything worthwhile in a Fins short....

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

kmlmnop, Brunell is technically UFA now. The team had two (three?) "option" years left on his contract which they elected not to exercise.

My understanding is that all (most?) the Skins free agents (except presumably Nemo) have offers pending, but presumably the offers also are low balls to allow players to "shop" themselves ... and the offers presumably escalate if another team really is interested. [Very presumptuous on my part.]

The one guy who I figured would have had his outstanding offer escalate based on interest from another team would be Godfrey based on Jacksonville's interest. The rumor is that he would want to follow Williams, but Williams is going to be running Del Rio's defense ... and Godfrey came out of retirement based on the urging of his college buddy, Phillip Daniels.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see if San Diego resigned Volek yet?

If they didn't I wish the Fins would take a run at him. He ma ynot be 'top of the line' but I think he could do a good job in Miami.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

so, when is JLC going to "break the news" about bryant johnson coming to visit. it was on rotoworld and ES hours ago... still nothing here. is he still busy selling his house or whatever?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | March 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Oddly enough our secondary was showing life by end of 2007 (I suppose you get plenty of practice when people throw at you that much!)"

So true!
I just love irony.

(maybe tuna sandwich for lunch today)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

When I try to get a job, I "interview." When NFL players try to get a job, they "visit."

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 07:28 AM

Interview? Well, aren't you hoity-toity! I'll bet you even have a "resume."

When I try to get a job I go to that corner with the day laborers and hope for the best.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

redcoat, According to NFL.com, Volek decided to stay classy and resigned with San Diego.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

RC- Wait...did you guys get Josh McCown or Luke McCown? I always get them mixed up. Which one is the good QB again? :)

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

RC, the Chargers re-signed Volek this weekend. Sorry Charlie, but there's gotta be a Star-Kist joke in there somewhere.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Blast! Thanks etrod.

When I'm looking for work, I go to that same corner with the other 'night workers'.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

According to NFL.com, Volek decided to stay classy and resigned with San Diego.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 02:05 PM

Resigned or re-signed?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

RC- Wait...did you guys get Josh McCown or Luke McCown? I always get them mixed up. Which one is the good QB again? :)

Posted by: 4-12 | March 3, 2008 02:06 PM

Answer 1. We got Josh.
Answer 2. Neither.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

When Volek re-signed to play for Norv Turner, he became a Re-Turner.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I fear hyphens...and ventriloquist dummies.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I fear only chives.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

When I'm looking for work, I go to that same corner with the other 'night workers'.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 02:07 PM

Dude, when you're at that corner, you're looking for play, not work.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Carnies...circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage; small hands.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Mondays are so unproductive

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mondays are so unproductive

Posted by: trailblazer658 | March 3, 2008 02:15 PM

At least, the best ones are!

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

jjwilson, Mark Brunell became UFA when free agency started this season. The team had two (three?) options to retain him, which they did not exercise ... which means he is free to seek employment elsewhere ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Brunell could do some freelance Tom Milking for a while. I'm sure someone would sell him a second-hand bench.

Posted by: Redcoat | March 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You know what's wrong with this particular Monday? Its early March and there's STILL no snow.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/webcams/snowcam.htm

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey dcsween. I didn't say anything about Brunell nor do I care. I posted an article about Bryant Johnson.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/news.jsp?news_id=5903

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | March 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know if Brunell is officially no longer apart of the Redskins? Please let me know as soon as he is gone, I have a Cigar I have been saving for the last 4yrs for just that ocassion.

And I do not even smoke.

Posted by: kmdp4 | March 3, 2008 01:13 PM

Sorry mr.wilson, misdirected. It was kmdp4 who said and cared.

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

peeb peebbeep beep

Posted by: -swb | March 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

poop poop (by which I mean beep beep)

Posted by: dcsween | March 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of outright lies. First off the Eagles would never ship Lito to the Foreskins. Second they would not want that washed up bum Shawn Springs.

This is just a stupid made up rumor from somebody who obviously has no actual Redskins news to report, so he makes up a stupid rumor.

Please kill yourself.

Posted by: mcnabb2007 | March 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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