Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Lorenzo Alexander

Had a nice chat with Lorenzo out here waiting for Gibbs. He said he spoke to coaches on both side of the ball before leaving for exit interviews, and said he is awaiting word on where he will play next season.

He hopes to hear from the team in the coming weeks to begin mentally preparing to be an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman (my gut feeling is he becomes the young guard the team needs to develop). Lorenzo said he is up for anything but did say "I'd like to know as soon as possible."

He had a great season and has a bright future. Great find by the Skins and they did an excellent job of maximizing his resources as well.

Randoms: This new season of The Wire is killer. Gonna be great. Fun to see the portayal of other media schlubs and, boy, if I didn't know better, I'd say one of the editors they depict is a guy I once worked for in Baltimore back in the day. Was not particularly well liked. Guess what goes around comes around ... My brother actually came in from NYC last night to DJ at the premier party HBO had in B-more last night for the debut of the new season. Have to give him a call and see if he ran into Snoop or Omar on the dance floor ... Roger Clemems should just start pulling is McGuire act now. Go away. You're a pathetic actor and you're actually right about one thing: no is buying what you're selling so keep your mouth shut.To think I spent the better part of the summer of 1986 in one of those cheap, sticky replica MLB jerseys they used to sell in Ocean City back in the day - with the numbers that start peeling off after like half a wash cycle. A road Sox jersey with 21 and Clemens on the back (wisely I upgraded to a No. 9 when I finally got my first authentic about a year later). Teddy Ballgame don't need no juice ...Could it be that LBM is growing up right before our eyes? Maybe Eli is actually coming into his own ...Okay, will post something on the Skins after Coach Joe talks at 5 pm. Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 7, 2008; 2:06 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Rich Tandler Guest Blog
Next: Coach Joe's Press Conference

Comments

Undergarments...

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

First!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

LBM is a warm weather player. Simple as that. No growth involved.

Posted by: tbenderbender | January 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

1st

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay, second. Darn Loseable Type.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

(From last thread)

How much trouble are we going to have re-signing Rock now that he's a free agent?

I'm in favor of trading Betts and making Rock our #2 RB, while still having him play special teams.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 02:19 PM

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Tell Lorenzo to get Heyer on the treadmill and weight bench, stat.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I know it is uncommon, but why does Alexander have to commit to one side of the ball. It seems to me that he is ideal to play an active role on both sides of the ball, primarily as the future backup to Montgomery/Golston in the middle, and the teams tackle eligible in the jumbo package.

I did see him miss enough blocks in the Seattle game to make me a little scared about trying to make him into a future starting guard. I'd rather see the Skins use some mid-late round draft picks on that position.

Posted by: HokiePaul | January 7, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

tbenderbender (nice name btw). money. Giants should trade Eli to Atlanta or Miami (and demand a BIG package in exchange). LBM is just no good in the Meadowlands.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Loseable Type seems particularly ravenous and irrational the last couple of days.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

HokiePaul, with a "run first to set up the pass" game, the play by the guards actually requires a fair amount of speed and requires a lot more thinking than might be required of a D lineman.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla,

Coaches have stopped using Rock as a running back for good reasons. Rock was never as good a runner as Betts, and Rock has had fumble problems. No way to trade Betts, given Portis's injury problems. Anyway, you wouldn't get much for Betts in a trade this year -- certainly not a player as good or as valuable as Betts.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm in favor of using one of those late round picks to draft a punter (what's the first round where they start picking punters)? Its not like we needed Jordan Palmer ... no harm in cutting a late round pick if he doesn't beat the incumbent. [That said, I do hope they get Travis Dorsch in to compete too.]

Also, if he's still on some team's practice squad, I say bring back Casey Bramlett as the #3 QB ... some day, one of these years, The Todd may begin approaching the end of his career.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

If Buges believes he can be the man at Guard, move Lorenzo to O-Line as a guard and let's draft a beast DT to help Monty collapse that pocket. He is the one guy I somehow forgot to mention in my previous comments on the previous guest blog post.

This would allow us to maybe draft a Center and another Stud O-Lineman/D-Lineman in the early rounds...

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

sween--We drafted Jordan Palmer to put a scare into Mark Brunell. Unfortunately, it was the wrong Palmer for that. This one only scared the coaches.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Trufant is UFA this season. If you can't beat him, sign him.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 02:16 PM

1st round pick by the Seahawks; Trufant is from the state of Washington and went to school there (WSU). No chance the "Hawks let him get away.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Punter would be a nice draft choice in rounds 6 or 7. Otherwise, they are usually available as cheap UFAs.

Heyer and Alexander should spend the off-season together working out in the weight room at Redskins Park. They both need serious weight work and can push each other.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

crickets007, I stand corrected from several posts ago. . .

where are AMMTS and the guv? haven't seen those monkers in a while. . .

could just be me, needing a monker decoder ring. . .

question still stands, who are we likely to pick. . .

and, pls, let's put this OG talk to bed, OK? Lorenzo can be the guy and we got him off the street. . .

my votes:

NFC comes out w/ missing man formation. . .

I'd like to see BBM do it again, would also like to see favre, but not sure that the s'hawks don't come out the victors this week. . .

doesn't really matter who the NFC sends to phoenix, again . . .

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 7, 2008 02:31 PM

Posted by: skinsfan8KaboveMSL | January 7, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

tafka, 1st round pick? Seahawks? sounds like a perfect replacement for Sean Springs. i'm just sayin. [what is his rep? is he a loud mouth or a quiet man?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Trufant is one of those quiet, good-citizen type guys from what I've seen and heard. Don't know for sure, though. He and Jennings seem like a pair that the "Hawks will try to keep together as long as possible. Trufant will probably give them the "home team" discount. It might be harder to keep Jennings there when he gets to UFA status, since he went to school at Miami.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

IF they use the draft for a defensive end, then PLEASE let them draft someone 6'4" or taller (of the names mentioned up here, only Calais Campbell breaks that ceiling). Look at the top sack guys at DE ... Jared Allen, Patrick Kearney, Mario Williams (all three 6'5" or 6'6") ... then some shorter guys ... Aaron Kampmann, Kyle Vanden Bosch, Jason Taylor, Andre Carter (all 6'4" except 6/6 Taylor).

The "speed demon" DEs who went high in the draft didn't do much this year ... except the tall one ... Carriker ... who got moved to NT.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The Wire: best show ever!.

(that unfortunately, very few people are watching).

Jasno, what a surprise that you are getting off on the news angle that's this year's feature. :)

I am very surprised that they used the name of the real Baltimore paper (Baltimore Sun) instead of fictionalizing some news rag.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Mix is going to be our future big WR... that would be crucial if turns into good offensive weapon. If we don't think we can than we need to draft a young big WR. I don't think we should bring in another WR via FA... We need to learn how to buy low instead of buying high...

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"... It might be harder to keep Jennings there when he gets to UFA status, since he went to school at Miami."

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 02:41 PM

Miami?? He's as good a burgundy and gold right now.

Also, on the footballish jibba jabba, I'm with peeps who say (assuming anyone is saying this) that there are three, and only three, teams who can beat the Patriots: Jags, Clots, and Packers. [Which, as I type it, does seem alot like who the Pats will be playing the next few weeks.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Several draft possibilities at DE

Vernon Gholston - OSU - 6'04, 264
Derrick Harvey - Florida - 6'04, 262
Johnny Dingle - WVU - 6'03, 270
Calais Campbell - Miami - 6'08, 280

Someone has to replace Phillip Daniels on the left side, so size is as important as speed for run-stopping ability. Gholston and Harvey can get a little bigger (280), Dingle is about as big as he will get, Campbell can probably get much bigger - DT size.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 02:23 PM

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"... We need to learn how to buy low instead of buying high..."

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 02:43 PM

NICE on the double entendre! [Assuming you weren't just going for the single entendre]. If the former, I agree that The Owner and his raquetball partner need to put down the bong and the Sears Christmas catalog of free agents. On to the JCPenney catalog of unnoticed lunch bucket players to fit into the "system"!

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I think the Redskins have to go DE and not DT in this draft. Daniels is done, sorry to say - always injured and can't be on the field often enough. He has to be replaced with an all-downs player. The DT rotation is good with Griffin-Montgomery-Golston for another year. Golston and Montgomery will continue to improve and get bigger. Griffin probably has one more year of play left.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

re: Jennings

It wouldn't surprise me to see former Miami players who are UFAs giving the Redskins a discount after seeing the way the team handled things in the aftermath of Sean Taylor's death.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

dcsween...

I didn't even think about it when I wrote it, but the shoe does fit...

NICE.

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I may be a little late with this.

My goals for the skins every year are three:
- play decent on offense and defense.
- have a chance to win every game.
- make the playoffs.

I was happy with the season, I think the team is being run much better than any time since the end of Gibbs 1. The future is bright.

I am sorry to see the end of Toddcoat and what that means.

Looking forward to an off season of jibba, jabba, and other nonsense, along with good skins stuff.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

i said it earlier and i'm sticking with it; trade away the high picks and stockpile for the draft. talent isn't a problem with this team, it's young depth. we've seen young depth come through on defense this year, let's keep it moving on offense. no need for a stud-anything right now, i'm all for stockpiling mid-round picks this year, or even trading back to give us extra high round picks for the '09 draft. call me crazy, but is it possible we can actually put some stock in our FUTURE for once.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Free agent DE ... Antwan Odom (Titans). Eight sacks (against Vanden Bosch's 12), seven deflected passes. Entering his fifth season. 6'5" and 274 lbs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"... call me crazy, but is it possible we can actually put some stock in our FUTURE for once."

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 03:01 PM

psps23, you're crazy.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe we're in offseason mode...

Posted by: pulldownclaw | January 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's what needs to happen in the draft:
1. DL/OL in 1st/2nd rounds (Campbell from the U looks good and fits the profile)
2. DB/LB/OL/DL in rounds 3-7

As much as I'd love to see Rock re-sign I can't help but think he might not and the coaches turn over KR/3rd RB to Marcus Mason? Hopefully Mix will be the big WR but don't forget that Mike Espy will be back healthy next year too.

Posted by: gibs10 | January 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

pulldownclaw, I was just thinking the same thing! Aaaagh.

Hail to 'em anyway! What an amazing ride it was this year.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Nate hit me up on the e mail

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

fair enough dcsween, fair enough. i don't know what i was thinking, i am a redskins fan after all. 1st round, DE. 2nd round RT/LT.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

pulldownclaw ... it goes with having that long attention span ... you know, the one like the hamster, jacked up on the stuff? that

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Coaches have stopped using Rock as a running back for good reasons. Rock was never as good a runner as Betts, and Rock has had fumble problems.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 7, 2008 02:29 PM


Okay, fair enough. I ran the numbers, and Rock does come out on the losing end of the fumble ratio.

Career fumbles

Rushing
Betts 8 in 659 attempts (1 in 82)
Rock 3 in 146 attempts (1 in 49)

Receiving
Betts 2 in 126 catches (1 in 63)
Rock 1 in 31 catches

Returns
Betts 2 in 85 returns (1 in 43)
Rock 1 in 132 returns

Total
Betts 12 in 870 touches (1 in 73)
Rock 5 in 309 touches (1 in 62)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

psps -

Trading down for more draft picks isn't a one-sided deal. You have to find a partner to trade with. Since lots of teams want to trade down for more picks, finding a partner can be difficult, if not impossible at times. Trying to base your entire strategy on a short-odds proposition doesn't make very good sense, especially when there are immediate needs that have to be filled. And trying to add more draft picks for next year (and giving them up this year to do so) is lunacy. This is not the Patriots' blog. The Redskins need help NOW.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Been thinking the same thing all day. Can't believe it's the offseason already.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

psps23, its only that thing about the definition of crazy ... the one about doing the same thing to achieve a desired result, but not achieving it, but doing it anyway to achieve that result ... and how that's crazy.

this IS after all, the Skins we're talking about ... and one of the very best (and very worst) things about The Owner is his $$$$. the best we can hope for (which I do think is becoming a trend) is some BALANCE btwn free agency and the draft.

[but along the lines of what EinVB was entendring, you know what they say, when the going gets green, the high go shopping ... or something like that.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it's finally time for that moniker change.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Weren't Rock and Betts in the same draft class? [Eerie music playing b/c I'd never imagine in a million years that the Skins would consider adding a different RB to return kickoffs and play #3 ... but someone has to say it.]

Next year, Marcus Mason comes off injured reserve, as does Nemo.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

pulldownclaw, Nate, 4-12, I scribbled up a "guest blog" that I sent to Jasno on the topic of how ABRUPT the end of the season has felt. Unfortunately, I've used up much of that material so far.

4-12, I say that now you should keep the moniker. To me, 4-12 is not just a win-loss record. 4-12 is a blogger who posts bizarre and irritating relevant web links. It just wouldn't make sense to change your moniker to, say, 9-7 (unless you are, in fact, 9 feet 7 inches tall). Better to envision ... 4 foot 12 inches.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I say that now you should keep the moniker. To me, 4-12 is not just a win-loss record. 4-12 is a blogger who posts bizarre and irritating relevant web links. It just wouldn't make sense to change your moniker to, say, 9-7 (unless you are, in fact, 9 feet 7 inches tall). Better to envision ... 4 foot 12 inches.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 03:25 PM

Funny thing is 'sween, when I think of you, I always think that if I EVER see a barber shop in DC next to a place where they sell 'meat' pies, I'll just keep on walking.

I don;t want to meet you that badly....

Posted by: Redcoat | January 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, reminds me of my mother's response, at the dinner table, when she served leftovers ... and we'd ask, "what was it before it was leftovers?"

"Leftovers to be."

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Jasno forgot to mention a blurb about him being super busy and that he is taking his kids to see a Dora show next week.

You're losing your touch Jasno.

Posted by: Dorf | January 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

tafka,

fair point on trading down. i realize it takes more than one party to make it happen. what i was advocating is if its possible, we should do everything in our power to do so (provided we get adequate value back).

I just don't agree that "The Redskins need help NOW." To me, if we can get a majority of the injured players back healthy (not counting r.mac, thats not realistic), and if we can return most of the current roster (sans brunell, lloyd), we have talent as good as any in the league. In my opinion, the only more talented teams with a full roster compliment are New England and Indianapolis. And a couple high round picks isn't going to change that. Which is why I say, if possible do what we can to trade those picks away. Obviously, if it's not there then we have to draft. But to me, there are no glaring holes that need to be filled with a stud first-rounder, just more depth type players that can eventually replace aging veterans on this team.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

major bummer... I compiled this multi-paragraph brainstorm rant on our D-Line and pooohhhhffff - its gone. Damn Loseable Type... I'm sure I'll feel the need to iterate those thoughts again sometime in the next 8 months!

Anyway, I like Marcus Mason. Sween, he's on the PracticeSquad, Nemo's on the IR.

Can he be the future Caveman and replace Sellers at some point or do we need to look for a FB to develop?

Anyone notice that Sellers performance seemed decrease end of the year or was it just me? I hope he's not beginning to decline, I love that guy and he could bring alot to this team if they didn't need him to pass protect so much at times. Was his back still bothering him or is he wearing down? Somebody please tell me, that I imagining things and he's still good to go.

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Mark (from the Future), I'm sad to see 'toddcoat' go too. I actually think you guys unearthed a little gem in TC. I've hear dpeople get on at hm for his lack of mobility, but Dan Marino, Kurt Warner and even Drew Bledsoe managed to get it done at a pretty high level for years even though they practically had to be wheeled on and off the field.

I don't think 'lack of mobility' need be an impediment to a decent career at quarterback in the NFL, but a 'lack of smarts' definitely IS. Just ask dear old Cleo Lemon, AJ Feeley, Joey Harrington and several other ex-Miami quarterbacks, as well as many I'm sure you guys can list.

BTW I'm not trying to insult Jason Campbell by the back door here, he's plainly smart too, but you guys may have to face the fact that he may never 'read' the game fast enough to execute the full Saunders offense. If that's so, you may have to change OC rather than keep trying to bend Jason to fit it, or worse still only run parts of it.

I think that's the BIG challenge (and question) for the Skins next year. Now that you've seen more of the 'Saunders' offense, would you want to go back to anything less?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 7, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to Nemo as the next FB not Mason...

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Link. I could be 'Link'.

Or, 'Bizarre and Irritatingly Relevant'.

To start the eight months of jibba jabba, I present the OJJ (Original Jibba Jabba-er)

http://mrt.sciamachy.net/jibbajabba/

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

psps -

The Redskins need immediate help at the following positions:

DE - Daniels is done; only Carter is a starter

CB - You need 3 starters in the NFL now; Springs is a question mark, Carlos Rogers will not be back at full speed in 2008

LB - Washington needs to be replaced; McIntosh should be ready for 2009

To get high quality at DE and CB, it is generally required to draft high. The price of UFAs at those two positions is prohibitive, so the draft is the place to get them. It should be possible to find a LB in free agency (but not Briggs).

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

redcoat - i think the fact that collins seems super-smart is because he's been in the offense for seven years. he wasn't looking so super-smart when he took over jim kelley's spot for the bills in '97. i think the biggest thing is making sure we keep JC and saunders together. we saw flashes this year of what JC can do (Detroit, 1st Dallas most of the game, a couple other games i can't recall right now). Snydes just needs to keep his patience roll on.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

4-12, thx, but that one is neither bizarre nor relevant (though I did feel a very mild sense of irritation).

---

"... Anyone notice that Sellers performance seemed decrease end of the year or was it just me? I hope he's not beginning to decline, I love that guy and he could bring alot to this team if they didn't need him to pass protect so much at times. Was his back still bothering him or is he wearing down? Somebody please tell me, that I imagining things and he's still good to go."

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 03:35 PM

I'm hoping the same thing, but that concussion that left him as a crumpled, lifeless pile, where I was thinking "oh no, not Sellers too! Please don't let it be a spinal injury" sure scared the bejeebus outta me. [With my hamstric attention span, I can't remember whether that was the Minnesota game or the Dallas game.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

for the record, I don't think EITHER Phillip Daniels or Randall Godfrey is done, and I think both would be great in the role of "The Todd" at their respective positions, i.e., third guy to step in after injury. That said, I would not be surprised at all if they both called it a career (and went out with a huge bash).

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Good points Takfa...

I think we might be ok with Springs, Smoot and Torrence until Rogers is back to full speed, but Springs is a ?

Marcus Washington isn't the same player he was 2 yrs ago. He looked slow after his return from the hamstring injury and I don't know if that was the cause. Is Blades capable? K Campbell seems like a backup LB ST at best, so a LB might be necessary...

What about another good TE that can block and catch... He doesn't need to be a Cooley or Anthony Gonzalez type of athlete, but is Yoder the future... What is the deal with Ecker how hit the IR with the chronic groin during training Cramp...

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

sween... Sellers got the head shot at the end of the 1st half against Minn...

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

tafka - i agree with you on all those points as needs. i just don't think they need to be addressed in the very high rounds of the draft. the only one i would consider drafting high is if we could get a great LE. if we can't, and it seems like a reach to take another DE, then IMO, they need to look at other options with the pick (i.e. trading). Springs is a question mark, but like i said, if they can get him to come back, there's no need to use a high pick on a CB. Even if he doesn't come back, they don't need to use another high pick on a CB. you can find a servicable rookie nickelback in the middle rounds. Rogers may not be 100% when the season starts, but he should be closer to 90-95% at worse. Which would be better than any draft pick you would get. Washington will need to be replaced eventually, but he can still play next year. That can be done in the middle rounds as well, drafting an OLB to be groomed. No need for a high pick anywhere.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Eureka, tafka! You hit like a blot of lightning at 3:13pm: we should start trading with ourselves! We will always come out ahead! It's a win-win!

Cannot believe Vinny hasn't already done this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Ecker seems like he is the future Yoder, since they put him on IR and paid him for the year, rather than cutting him with an injury settlement.

Only way I see Daniels coming back is if he rips up his contract and plays for veteran minimum. He is a part-time player at best, and the team can't afford to pay him DE starting money.

Springs is only a ? since Jason has mentioned several times that he doesn't see Springs back next year. Don't know if that info is coming from Springs or management, but it isn't good. Springs had a good year and his contract is affordable (and renegotiable if they don't ask him to take a pay cut again).

Outside linebackers need to be taller than Blades is. I don't know how good K. Campbell might be at those spots. Godfrey looked pretty good in place of Washington, but don't know if he would hold up as a full-time player. (age/health)

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

**Assuming the coaching staff returns**

What players will 100% DEFINITELY be here next year (talent, contract status, salary cap implications, character, fighting guts out ability, etc, all taken into consideration)?

Off the top of my head, I've got:
QB- Campbell
RB- Portis, Betts
FB- Sellers
TE- Cooley
WR- Moss, Randle El
OL- Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer

DL- Montgomery, Golston, Carter, Wilson, Alexander
LB- Fletcher, McIntosh, Blades
CB- Smoot, Torrence
S- Landry, Doughty

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Forgot Rogers on my CB list

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Maybe CODY BOYD (TE on Practice Squad) will step up... Dude is TALL 6-8!

We have been pretty good about developing some guys from late rounds and the practice squad, hopefully some guys like Boyd, Buzbee, and LBW (Byron) can work their a$$es off this off-season and begin contributing next year.

I'm looking for big things from JC next year. I think the light really came on for him at time this season. He needs to work on keeping his passes a bit lower and putting some touch on the ball instead using that rocket arm all the time. With watching Todd and the off-season to futher improve his skills he'll be even better. If Mix can be a good WR, Espy is healthy and or we add another big receiver look out!

Posted by: EinVB | January 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

4-12- C. Rogers

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

4-12, from his own mouth, I'm not convinced that Cornelius is back next season. And though no one has said it, I'll say that Marcus was probably in that same boat ... until Rocky got hurt. But for the size of the required bonus conversion, Springs is probably even safer than Marcus (b/c of Rogers' knee).

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To me, that list is looking good right about now. Here's to hoping Rogers and Thomas can come back 100%. And stay 100%

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

OT - Jansen

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

4-12 that list is looking good to me going into next year, just as a base roster. Here's to hoping Rogers and Thomas can come back 100%. And stay 100%.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Rogers may be back on the field in 2008, but he won't be very useful. His injury is more than 12 months to get to full speed. I wonder if he ever becomes a decent player in this league. Its not like he was a great cover guy to begin with and a DB that loses a step is a problem. Maybe he becomes a strong safety or nickel back.

Not sure why Daniels is done with a lot of you guys. HIs strength is stopping the run and he is good at it. Against Minn, he was great. He is up there and maybe he'll need to be rotated out more, but nothing I saw said he couldn't contribute solidly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I have read some of my fellow bloggers GM moves and let me add the following...

1) We are NOT okay with Springs, Smoot,
and Torrence.
2) I'm okay with Springs leaving if we can get a younger free-agent replacement. I'm not okay with letting him go and drafting a rookie (I'd do it only for depth)
3)Yes, Daniels is done...Marcus Washington is done...Jansen MAY have one more year.
4)I like what they did with Heyer. He was baprtized by fire this year and if he gets stronger, he'll be a nice fit.
5) I would not let Cartwright go. I think he knows he's not a #1 RB. I'd let Betts go for a pick. RB's are a dime a dozen of Portis goes down, plus Betts cannot block.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Espy isn't that tall (5'11") for a receiver. Is he (was he) fast? I remember they tried him as a return guy, but that didn't work out.

I think they should invite Will Whitticker back to try out for that guard spot. [Not sure how long it takes a 320 pound guy to recover from a "high ankle sprain".]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Some of you miss the point...Everybody has contributed and has made good plays, but let's not kid ourselves...this is not a championship team. Phillip Daniels is expendable, Marcus Washington is expendable.

Also, I may get killed for this but I'm falling our of love with Santana Moss. Yes, he's made some big plays for us, but we've got to upgrade. With another deep threat he can stretch the field. I'd love to see what Mix can do with a fade route on the 7 yard line.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Unless McIntosh and Rogers are veritable "freaks of nature", it is crazy to assume either will be ready to play anytime in 2008. Tearing the ACL alone would have been a significant reason for concern. Tearing two ligaments each make both highly doubtful for any "full speed" play in 2008. It might be different if they played positions that only required mostly-forward, straight-line running. Unfortunately, both positions place extraordinary demands on knees, particularly dropping back and dramatic changes of direction at high speed.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

rr/sicwidit, I'm thinking free agency for the CB and the DE (and holding my breath that we can sign those two guys ... after 'restructuring' a dozen contracts ... w/o spoiling the locker room chemistry). First new prerequisite for Vinny and crew: No Blloydent attitude guys.

Also, guys like Portis are not dime a dozen (though agreed that teams down on their luck have been able to make do with depth, see Deshaun Wynn in Green Bay and Derrick Ward in NY Giants).

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah "Taf Money"...I'm concerned about our secondary too, even with Springs back. I know Springs is our best guy, but I think he's injury prone. I don't know if he can put two healthy seasons together.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i don't see why everyone likes to hate on Rogers so much. i actually thought he was a good corner, especially this year. yes, he got toasted on that double move. but we have left him on an island for most of the time. is it possible that we've just been spoiled with top-flight corners for the past decade that happen to be very tough to live up to? (bailey and springs, when healthy)

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

5) I would not let Cartwright go. I think he knows he's not a #1 RB. I'd let Betts go for a pick. RB's are a dime a dozen of Portis goes down, plus Betts cannot block.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 7, 2008 04:18 PM

Just to echo that, we (Miami) picked Samkon Gado up off the street at the end of the season (all our other RB's were crocked) and he rushed 35 times for 3 TDs in a couple of games. If your o-line can run block it doesn't matter who is running behind them - within limits of course.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 7, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Though I felt that initial heartbreak with Moss, I feel back in love with him in the last four games when I remembered (1) how FAST he is once he gets started and (2) how he can pull the ball out from the middle of triple coverage.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskins needs are at
1. WR, need a big target for Campbell (need 1)
2. DB, so much invested here, but losing Rogers hurts and of course, Taylor. Its a lot to have lost. Keeping Springs helps, but his time is limited (need 1-2)
3. OL, need a bunch of help here. We have some good players, but depth is always going to be huge since these guys get hurt a lot. And its an older line. I think all 5 starters are 30+(need 3, use most of the draft here)
4. LB, loss of Rocky means some new blood is needed. Marcus and Godfrey are up there in age (need 1)
5. DL, got the job done for most of the season, but Griff has an injury history and Daniels is well up in age. The young guys did a lot and were good. (need 1)

Thats it. Skins are set with the RBs, QB and TE. The defense was very good this year, even as it finished the season with a bunch of guys missing that were there at the start. Problem is, Rogers, Rocky aren't coming back in 2008 and Sean is gone. Its a depth issue. Plus Daniels and Springs are up there in age for their positions. Biggest need is OL and 1 WR

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

i also think people are underestimating the power of medicine these days. i tore my acl in college, and was back on the field at 12 months. and i was the slowest of my teammates to do that. two of my other teammates were playing without restrictions at 6 months (not 100% at that point, but playing without restrictions nonetheless). One of them recovered in 6 months twice, on different knees.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Those of you saying jettison Betts really scare me with your short memory. He is the one that carried the team in 06 with about 5 consecutive 100 yard games. Betts does not dance in the hole like Portis does. Betts can also run OVER people for that extra yard. Betts is healthy while Portis will never last a season or even 8 games any more.

Secondly, it may be an offensive right tackle that we need with our first draft pick. Jansen had a broken leg (can anyone see how fast Nick Johnson recovered for the Nats?) I dont see Heyer as a stand alone tackle next year. He was protected this season by keeping a TE or fullback on his side for pass protection.

Third, we gave up a 4th round pick for Kendall? Arghhhh! He was going to be on the bench for the Jets this season.

I agree that this team has a lot of needs, CB, OLB, DE on just that side of the ball alone. But nothing kills the whole team like an ineffective offensive line.

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

didnt portis last the entire season? as good as a pure runner betts showed he was, he's nowhere near the all-around back portis is. i agree we need to keep him as portis insurance, but there are still very few running backs in this league that can measure up to portis' all-around game when he's healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | January 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ps-

If it was just the ACL, both would probably be ready for training camp. However, the ACL/MCL combination tear is a much longer and more complicated rehabilitation. After rehab, the player then has to learn to trust it again - a hard thing to do when the repaired knee feels significantly different than the other (non-injured) knee).

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Third, we gave up a 4th round pick for Kendall? Arghhhh! He was going to be on the bench for the Jets this season. - This is saying alot but this acutally may be the worst thing i have ever seen on this blog.

Where else would we have found a starting quailty LG at that point in the season?? Who do you propose should have started that we could have gotten for less than a 4th round draft pick?? Does your dad know the LG fairy because if so i'll put a 5th rounder under my pillow and hope someone better comes out.

Posted by: sams3 | January 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

And when he has a line.

Posted by: jspaceman72 | January 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

St. Joe speaks in 20 minutes. Any predictions? [Even for how many times he says "guts out" or "up here"?]

I believe, but I could be wrong, that the first off-season event (which technically doesn't really start till after the SuperBowl) is the deadline for franchise tags.

Anyone need to be tagged on the Skins? I didn't think so. That means were are in good shape. The positions "of need"? I'm guessing those will be eliminated before the draft. CB is the only real position of "need" ... the other two (DE and OG) are positions of "really want." The idea is that some players who are many years in the league need to backed up with more than regular "depth" ... someone needs to be "groomed." We need to groom guys to replace Daniels and Kendall. The reason CB is "need" is b/c its looking SO dreary to be without BOTH Rogers and Springs. [Not sure why there's been so much love for Torrence after Seattle ... of the starting lineup, I thought he was the weakest player of the night regardless of position.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

psps, glad you recovered so quickly. Rogers is playing at a whole different level and he didn't have much margin for error to begin with. Take a little quickness from him and he won't be a starter in this league.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Portis by his own admission did not have his game legs til the last third of the season. He has chronic tendonitis in both knees (which was serious enough to keep him out of the entire training camp.)

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

psps23, people love to hate on Portis. no one cares that he is an emotional and spiritual leader on the team. Just toss him to the side. He has a HUGE injury history. I mean he caries the ball 10,000 times a year and has only been hurt for about half a season worth of games in his career. TOSS HIM OUT! Forget the fact that there are less than 5 running backs in the NFL that can contribute like him. Also forget teh fact that he is the most complete Football player on teh team. GOODBYE, you have done so much for the team sinec you have gotten here can't wait till you are gone!

Posted by: sams3 | January 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Note to the person who posts the depth chart at the Skins website: Is there anything about Philip Daniels that you'd like to share with the group?
http://www.redskins.com/team/depthchart.jsp

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Mix got a 3-year contract when he signed with the Skins (according to Jason)? That's one position they won't be drafting for. Moss, Randle El, Mix, maybe Caldwell, Espy, maybe Thrash, maybe McCardell - seems like enough receivers.

DE/CB/OL/NP/LB/OL/Punter.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1, if you take a little quickness from him he wouldn't be a starter in your mind. If the Redskins were to cut him today there would only be about 5 teams that wouldn't make him a starter. I think everyone is insane to be so critical of him. Someone name a place other than Green Bay in the NFC where the second corner is a better player than Rogers.

Posted by: sams3 | January 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

many keen observations by all.....we will keep a good core together....the who's and how much they count toward the cap...they always find a way....NFL teams are always in transition....the key is to not be changing coaches and QB's while you also go through the annual roster purge of about 30% plus (our probblem over the last 15 yrs).....what we really need for next year is campbell to take another step up and to find by any means a big time playmaker on both offense and defense to go with what we are likely to bring back in terms of core players

Posted by: Oldschool | January 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Sams3,
The failure to get a guard after Dockery was signed away caused us to react in a panic mode. In August it is so true that no one else was available. We overpaid for a player that is in his 30's.
The signing of Brandon Lloyd cost us in so many ways (as in money that could have been used to keep Dockery).

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like LDE is the 2008 1st round draft choice, based on that depth chart.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

And again Sams3,

I would argue that Smoot is better than Rogers as a second corner, at least this season.

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

driley, good point. However you slice it though Doc was not worth that money. Although I really loved Doc he isn't near worth that kind of money , have it or not.

Posted by: sams3 | January 7, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

driley, I wouldn't have agreed with you before this year. Rogers is great in run support but smoot showed that he can bang. You have to give Rogers an edge in pressing the reciver though. They were doing that alot early in the season (exaple Philly monday night game) and they had to shy away from it because smoot isn't as strong.

Posted by: sams3 | January 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Only reason Kendall would have been on the Jets' bench is because of his dispute with the team over money. He was previously the starter and should have been in 2007 also. Mangini and the bright boys in the Jets' front office miscalculated and overplayed their hand.

How did the Jets' line do without him? Check their record for a clue. (Hint: they sucked.)

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

reminder don't fall in love with any of our players....they are all replaceable.....the idea is if you do replace sombody you do it by getting someone better....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If they do go to the draft for a guard, they should go for one of the linemen who blocks for Darren McFadden or someone like that.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Kendall was a good find for the team in August when they desperately needed him. Indeed, he helped the left side of the line look downright professional in comparison with the right side after Thomas and Jansen were replaced. I am just saying that a fourth round pick is rather high for a 30 plus year old offensive lineman. By comparison, do you think that someone would give us a fourth round pick for Jansen when he reaches the same age?

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Anybody catch the first part of this Gibbs presser? It hasn't started yet and they showed the Jasons standing around. JReid is resplendent in a nice brown shirt. Your Jasno is rocking a RedSawx cap and a Chelsea jersey. It's, um, interesting.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

driley, if your going to take THAT view of the value of a 4th round pick, next thing you're going to tell me is that the Patriots stole Randy Moss for giving up only a 4th round pick!

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody catch the first part of this Gibbs presser? It hasn't started yet ..."

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 05:13 PM

This seems like a trick question.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

No trick question! Really! It's the time spot that's supposed to be occupied by the Gibbs' presser.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Kendall was traded for a 5th round pick in 2008, that converts to be a 4th round pick in 2009 (based on playing time). The 2008 4th round pick was traded for Duckett last year. (Now THAT was a really bad trade.)

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Cyn- Just saw the Jasnos. 'Interesting' is, um, very kind of you!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Good reminder, Old School.

So what would we get for Portis on the open market right now? Would someone give up a Number 1 and 2 for him? Not likely. Perhaps that is the measure of his true value.

Posted by: driley | January 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs repeats the point about how The Todd could not be heard in the huddle. Then gives props to the Seattle D, as well as the Seahawks punter.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I can only imagine what is going through Gibbs' mind every Monday. "I can't talk about the game ... I'm too concerned with what Jasno is going to wear!"

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs give props to The Owner for coughing up the cash for guys like McCardell, Fabini, Wade, Godfrey, The Todd, Brunell, etc. -- the vet depth players who cost more.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Bets on the first question he gets asked when he's done giving props? I've got, "Joe, are you going to coach next season?"

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I love to play the speculation game as much as anybody. But, some of this stuff is just a bit of stretch. We will get rid of Lloyd, no doubt. But forget about Portis, Moss, etc. They are not leaving. If you start going that far, then you are completely rebuilding. This team gets Asante Samuel, and I think that means Springs goes. A DE, and some O-line thru the draft. A possession receiver, that would improve this team greatly. Oh, and Campbell has to be able to release the ball and hit the receiver on the break like Collins was doing.
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Injury report

Alexander - knee to be scoped
Blades - meniscus tear (few weeks old) to be scoped
Fox - knee to be scoped
Rogers - to be scoped
ACL reconstruction done on RockyMac
Yoder to be scope-surgeried

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs hasn't spent time with The Owner yet (free agents, etc.) b/c after he got home, he wanted to hang with his grandkids. This is why he is St. Joe.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

4-12 gets the star for the correct first question. St. Joe says hasn't "visited" with Dan yet. Steinberg tries to follow up ... denied.

Jasno's Q repeats that Gibbs has said his "intention" is to stay ... [Jasno showing off that the first two were not good questions.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Question about coach poaching (after saying he likes his coaches as a group) ... says he sees it coming.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Mistranscription by me: He said he and The Owner DID talk about free agents.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Uh OHHH, Coach Gibbs has STAUNCHLY stated everytime he was asked about his contract is he fully expects to return. He is NOT saying that right now. JLa was the one that asked that and Joe is Dancing. This is seriously the first time I have doubted him coming back next year.
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | January 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

sween- That's what they teach us in Journalism 101. Always ask the question that you know won't be answered, and follow up with the question posed several other ways, knowing you'll get the same non-answer.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

CxC, could have been me ... Jasno said "you've repeatedly said XYZ, are you still saying that today?" and Joe said yep.

Talking about the future, he steps back to last year. And admits the "bad personnel" decisions, for which he takes blame. Says that whole process was broken down and rebuilt. Then waves the Fletcher flag as a "real good move".

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

We need Lisa's interpretation of this press conference. She is usually the one who gets closest to the truth.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

DONT GO JOE!

Posted by: miguelpenaloza | January 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

ah HA, 4-12 is a journalist!

Now questions about what his family thinks. Non-answer. Essentially "nice try, next question."

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not TRYING to analyze or interpret.

Question about QB competition. Guess the response. [Joe essentially says it was a "huge deal for us up here," i.e., that he is real pleased about Todd's play.] "We're solid at quarterback. At that one, all of us here are excited about that."

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone should ask Gibbs if he reads this blog, so he will know who to draft and when.

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Discussion with The Owner re: The Todd. "He still has alot of tread on his tires."

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

sween- You had to be impressed with Mike Wallace questioning Roger Clemens regarding the denial of steroid use....
MW: "Swear?"
RC: "Swear."

Riveting stuff.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Smoot will start referring to Todd as "Firestone".

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Jasno ZINGS with "would you stay as Team President and not head coach?" [cackling, laughing]. Says its with Dan. Doesn't want people to sing "Happy Retirement to You". ALMOST cuts off the presser in there. Then questions back to QB.

Now "more selective" in free agency.

Will evaluate players based on their "total year". Mentions Fox and Evans in saying that he knows every player's every stat. Mostly the team has ALOT of character. Likes the mix btwn old and young.

This group was "player led," and would guess that he would let them work out in the offseason on their own.

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Smoot will start referring to Todd as "Firestone".

Not me. I now refer to Firestone as "Todd."

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else think we need Snyder to buy a partial cover on our stadiums o we can ratchet up the 12th man volume a little?

Posted by: miguelpenaloza | January 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Presser over. Did anyone hear him saying "guts out" even once?

Interesting bits seemed that he does seem a little concerned about coach poaching. If they did get a permission slip fax from the Phins to talk to Grilliams, then that does seem like it could be bad for continuity. I couldn't imagine Grilliams taking a different D coordinator job, seems like it would have to be HC or nothing. Miami is the team that had more coaches that the Skins in the Saban year(s).

Posted by: dcsween | January 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

As in, "I've got Todds AND rims on my ride"?

Posted by: tafka | January 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I did catch a "guts out" when he talked about Godfrey.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else think we need Snyder to buy a partial cover on our stadiums o we can ratchet up the 12th man volume a little?

Yes, please.

I've been saying this for a while. We need something to keep some of that upper deck noise from escaping.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Concern about coach poaching doesn't necessarily mean concern about GG being poached. Gibbs could also mean some of his assistants' lieutenants.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Randall Gutfrey?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Shocker. Gibbs refuses to commit to/name his young, franchise QB as the starter next year. The Collins story was nice, but Janso hit it on the head the other day about JC/TC. I'm also confused that Gibbs refused to commit to Campbell, yet it was reported that Saunders and every other coach on the team told JC that he was the guy and that the win streak would have happened with him in there as well.

I hope Gibby's "hot and heavy" session with Snyder ends with his resignation and the promotion of Gregg Williams. I love the man. I love what he did in the wake of Sean's passing, but it's just time. I'm sorry, it's time for him to move on.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Just wow. Listening to this, I'm not sure if Joe's coming back. But I am sure the starting qb job is up for grabs.

Posted by: klong105 | January 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nate. What do you think of Pyramid Snowcap?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Was I the only one who noticed Coach Gibbs refer to Ethan Albright as "Ethan Allen?" LOL

Posted by: JustMe | January 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that. It was funny.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

How soon after a presser do they usually put the video up on Redskins.com? I wanna watch it.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Is the starting QB job up for grabs, or does being noncommittal help them resign Todd? It's obvious that Todd wants to be where he thinks he'll be able to play. If that possibility is ruled out before contract talks even start, there's probably not a lot to talk about from Todd's point of view.

Posted by: JustMe | January 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

On the issue of being non-committal about both returning and about JC, might Joe have been non-committal on the latter because he doesn't expect to be the one making the decision?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, The- Is the WP committed to Jasno as beat reporter for the 'Skins for at least one more season?

Posted by: 4-12 | January 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Gibbs indecision about coming back has to do with the good of the team. If he leaves the door open regarding the head coach position, it makes Grilliams decision to leave that much harder.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 7, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla,

That is certainly a very real possibility. Did you get the sense, like I did, that he wasn't necessarily committed to being here, himself? In the past, he's always insisted that he'd be here through the length of his contract. He didn't really do that today. He tried every way possible to avoid answering the question of whether or not he was staying. And, he mentioned that this was his toughest year ever as a coach. Maybe it took too much out of him.

Frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't come back.

Posted by: JustMe | January 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I don't see how head coach in Miami, taking over a 1-15 franchise, is a better gig than extremely well-paid assistant/odds-on favorite to be next head coach for a team where your players play hard for you and have become like your family, in an area of the country where your actual family is very happy and productive.

I think if you asked him, Gregg Williams would tell you that his quality of life is pretty darn good where he is.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Jasno and I were committed about an hour ago to a local rest home.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

WTF! I am thankful what Todd did this year but no damn way he should be the starter next year! He is a good back up and that is it nothing more.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, I haven't seen the presser yet, just going off of people's live-blogging, so I'm withholding judgment until I've actually watched it.

Also, no offense to Redcoat on the whole Miami thing.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

TheCindy,

Is there any truth to the rumor that a few of us hamsters might be traded to another newspaper for better blogging software and some movie passes?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

movie passes?? we could get traded for move passes? What movie are we talking here?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I was under the impression all hamsters had no-trade clauses. After all, you're veterans.

Posted by: TheCindy | January 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Gibbs did his usual interview with George Michael on NBC (after his presser). When asked about several players Gibbs said "we really want to keep him." When asked about Gregg Williams, Gibbs also said "we want to do everything we can to keep him." That sounds like he is planning on returning OR maybe if Williams is truly a threat to walk away, could he leave (go upstairs?) so that Williams could get the head coaching job?

Also it was mentioned that Parcells wanted to hire Williams as an asst coach for Dallas back in 04.

As to Gibbs remarks about Collins/Campbell, personally I think it is a ploy to keep Collins but that Collins will not be named starter.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Cindy's just holding out for a ham sandwich.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter of NFL Network just reported that family pressures will ultimately lead to Joe Gibbs not returning as the head coach of the Skins.

I think if that's the case, Greg Williams will be named the new head coach. Maybe Gibbs stays on as Team Pres. Not sure if that position requires 16hr work days. I wouldn't think so. But with Gibbs he'll still sleep at Redskins Park as team pres.

Posted by: redskinlaker34 | January 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

It could be that Gibbs is not using the royal we here and is talking about the FO and coaching staff when he says we really want to keep him.

Among players it is always a competition for the starting spot. Gibbs would have said this even when he was playing Bruuuunnell.

Also, if he is not committed to being the Head Coach next year (which he is not at this time), it would be wrong for him to say who the starting QB will be.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Cindy what ever you do don't trade any of our bloggers to Extreamskins.com for Brandon Lloyd. Except maybe BOOFER you can trade him for anyone you like.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

redskinlaker34, hold your horses! That was not what Schefter said. Schefter said that everyone has always thought that Gibbs would return but that he has sat down and spoken with his family and that some feel that IF he retires it will be due family pressures.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The noise was clearly a factor on Saturday.

The clamshells on top must have been designed to focus noise. Many of the fans had lost their voices after the game (not kidding).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa_R: hmmmm, thats what I thought I heard.

I hope NFL.com puts the video of that report online later. I'd like to listen to it again.

Posted by: redskinlaker34 | January 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Don't go Joe.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, I just watched Gibbs HIMSELF interviewed on NBC 4 and he kept talking about free agency moves, players, etc. That does not sound like someone planning on leaving - unless he is moving upstairs. Then Buges was interviewed and he did not seem sad or like he was going anywhere. Buges said it would be a pity if Gibbs left after hearing what Santana had to say about him being a father figure.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Well at least now we know why Campbell left Redskins Park without talking to the media the other day. Seems he's not guaranteed anything, folks. Not sure if that's a bad thing. Jason's got at least two years on his deal. If he can't beat out Todd, he'll get a shot soon enough once Todd falters or gets hurt. We could have much worse problems.

Posted by: klong105 | January 7, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

not to ad full to the fire, but Redskins.com has an article "Gibbs discusses coaching future"

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=33838

Here is a snippet:
Gibbs said he expects to meet with owner Daniel M. Snyder over the next few days to discuss whether he returns as head coach of the Redskins next season.

"At year's end, Dan and I always sit and talk and go through things, and we're doing that," Gibbs said. "We will be doing that starting [Monday] evening and going forward. Of course, everyone's situation will be taking into context here, including mine and my future here.
...
Asked if he anticipated fulfilling the final year of his 5-year contract in 2008, Gibbs replied: "That will be one of the things we talk about. My situation will be one that Dan and I are going to visit with. We always do that at the end of the year.


Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow did not even see my typos there my bad.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs kept saying "we want to keep Todd" and "We want to keep Gregg Williams" - why would he say "we" (or even care) if he was retiring? Unless he plans to stay as President only.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Gibbs will leave. He loves football too much and he loves this team.

He will move upstairs at some point, the question is when.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I just want to say for the record that that Gibbs should stay as HC.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

As Team President can he still walk the side lines looking Gibbsian?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, it seems every other year, he decides to do something "un Gibbs like" which upsets the applecart and disrupts the team (ie, bringing in Saunders and a new system 2 years ago.) So this would be the "upset" year :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Shocker. Gibbs refuses to commit to/name his young, franchise QB as the starter next year. The Collins story was nice, but Janso hit it on the head the other day about JC/TC. I'm also confused that Gibbs refused to commit to Campbell, yet it was reported that Saunders and every other coach on the team told JC that he was the guy and that the win streak would have happened with him in there as well.

I hope Gibby's "hot and heavy" session with Snyder ends with his resignation and the promotion of Gregg Williams. I love the man. I love what he did in the wake of Sean's passing, but it's just time. I'm sorry, it's time for him to move on.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 7, 2008 06:17 PM

RB, I respect your opinions even though I do not agree with them. I guess I just don't understand your reasoning. Do you not recognize the difference in the entire organization since Gibb's return. The way I see it:

1. We are not considered doormats
2. We are a respected opponent and teams know they are in for a battle when they play us
3. We have a strong nucleus of young, "core" Skins who make the future bright
4. We have two solid QB's, one who may eventually end up being a franchise qb
5. We have a solid potential head coach 1 year from now in G Williams, who has the respect of the Skins players.
6. We have a solid OC in Saunders who has demonstrated he can be creative and score points.


What's wrong with Gibb's finishing his contract? The players would take a bullet for him to a man. To me, it would be a great mistake to force him out this year.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | January 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I saw the question and answer part of the press conference and while Gibbs was being evasive, he didn't give off "I'm outa here" vibes. But who knows? I for one would be really sad if he left this season. It would be nice to see Gibbs go all out next season with this team.

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

When the Jaw is comes to Washigton he will have total control over the Skins hopefully ending the trading of picks away foolishly and for Vinny C. get a real job like holding Synders umbrella and fetching his coffee.

Posted by: waterboard | January 8, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company