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Luke Petitgout Is In The House

Petitgout is in the building, there for a free agent visit. Former left tackle for the Giants would be moved to guard to replace Dockery should he sign. Had some knee problems but the word is he passed Tama's physical over the weekend. Also, he recently dropped his old agents and hired, you guessed it, Drew Rosenhaus, which never hurts when it comes to The Snyder.

From digging around over the weekend, there weren't too many hot names I heard as far as O Line and Washington. Some inside the building like Adam Timmerman, who played for Al Saunders in St. Louis and would know the terminoligy, but others feel the veteran is probably through as a productive player given age and wear and tear. Some would like to see the guard spot addressed in the draft if the team trades down as it hopes - it's an easy position to plug in from the draft in the mid rounds often - and there are other guys on the street who started in the league and might come cheep.

Cosey Coleman (Cleveland) and Cooper Carlisle (Denver) have not drawn interest from the Skins as of yesterday, I heard, but guys like that will likely still be around later this week, and some, like Miami's Jeno Jones, are recovering from injuries but expect to be able to pass a physical come April or May, and the Skins could wait it out and wade into that market as well.

Also, besides Todd Yoder, I have not been able to firmly track down another TE the Skins have spoken to. Guys like Seidman, Wiggins, Tony Stewart never heard a thing, and one guy who got some high grades internally, Reggie kelly, is on his third or fourth free agent visit today and will likely get some serious coin.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging away.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  March 5, 2007; 2:40 PM ET
 
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Comments

The way lineman are being paid I'm suprised Mark May hasn't shown up. Who is this guy Peticoat? Is he any good?

Posted by: skins007 | March 5, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Do you know if Jordan Black from Kansas City could be a possibility? I figured with Saunders having coached him he would be in for a visit at least.

Posted by: Jim | March 5, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see we have yet another hole to fill when it could've been avoided by extending Dock during the season last year. Yeah, I know his contract was beyond the ridiculous, but I'm certain he could've been had for a far lesser contract. His durability and chemistry with the line is irreplaceable.

Petigout? Puhleaze. Just when you think the FO might've learned something reality smacks you in the face once again.

Posted by: Mid life crisis | March 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't doubt the Redskins could adress their Guard situation thru the draft, but I know they want experience in there- this is Gibbs and Saunders- so I'm sure they'll wade thru FA's to plug that hole for their 8-8 season this year. How about Russ Grimm?

Posted by: skins007 | March 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason--

Wow. You run a great blog. Do you have another job at the Post beside the blog?

Have you heard about any action for former Redskins -- LaVar, Patrick Ramsey, TJ?

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Petitcoat played for the giants

Posted by: evan | March 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Luke Pettigout is 6'6, litle over 3 hundy. Starting his 8th year out of Notre Dame.

Prior to season ending injury last year--played in first 9 games, missed six games in '03 but pretty reliable it seems.

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason
you need to quit saying guard is an easy position to fill!! the continuity that this line had is the reason it was becoming a dominant group!!They had been together a couple of years & remember your only as strong as your WEAKEST LINK!!

Posted by: Dock will be missed!! | March 5, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

petticoat juntion has been a good quality left taclkle for the giants for the last 6/7 yrs. history of back problems, never good for someone pkaying a contact sport.might be a fit at guard who could also fillin for smamuels at LT.

there is alot of risk here. could work out great if he stays healthy but the as always the money needs to right. He is also from the area and probbally was a skins fan growing up.

Posted by: Old School | March 5, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Has there been any talk about LaVar...he is obviously available and if he goes long enough without getting a call, could the Redskins get him fairly cheap?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I heard this guy is a locker room liability and wasn't well liked. Any truth to that?

Posted by: spicarde | March 5, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Dock will be missed!!, seems like Dockery was the weakest link anyway. I'm not tooling on Dockery per se, but Randy Thomas is the better pulling guard of the two. Skins had a top flight O-line (it was depth that was the problem ... or at least it all came down to two guys, Pucillo and Wade, but that didn't become clear till late in the season).

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Petitgout was the anchor of the Giants line for a while, but he has battled ongoing injuries over the past 3-4 years. The Giants tried and tried to find somebody to step in for him but were unsuccessful for a long time. I believe Diehl has taken his spot up there now.

Maybe moving to left guard will resurrect his career--I haven't heard if anyone else is looking to sign him.

Posted by: Will | March 5, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

If guard is such an easy position to fill, why did three different teams just pay $39 million to fill it with less-than-top-of-heap players? Do they know something you don't, or do you know something they don't?

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

LaVar's not coming back. He burned his bridges behind him.

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

They want a guard who can play tackle too.

So if Jansen or Samuels get hurt, they could just shift Petitgout or whoever out to tackle.

Then they could stick somebody like Pucillo or whoever at guard.

Their OT depth is not good, so that's why they're looking at these tackles as guard options.

All I know about Petitgout is the G-men's pass protection totally fell apart when he got hurt last year.

Posted by: Leon | March 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Even though that the loss of Dock is probably the easiest to replace on the OL. We'll probably overpay for a guy who isn't needed when somebody who's already on the roster could look good next to Samuels.

Posted by: Andyman is Karl Swanson | March 5, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

As of right now, there are FOUR possible replacements at Left Guard that are currently on the roster: Mike Pucillo (#3 guard and #2 center from last year); Kili Lefotu (7th round pick from last year ... cut for missing too much of the season due to sleep apnea); Taylor Whitley (#4 O-tackle); and Will Whitticker (2nd year FA pickup from Green Bay, started some games).

Seems premature to trash Pettigout, a multi-year starter for NYG.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The plus-side to Dock not coming back could be replacing him with a more versatile Guard who is better suited to blocking the toss, toss-trap and pulling plays that Gibbs loves to run. A Randy Thomas for the left-side, if you will.

Dock was a beast, but he was not good in space.

Posted by: CMoney | March 5, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I posted a summary of what Shawn Springs had to say on 980 a few minutes in the other thread. If you're interested, here it is again:

Springs says he's happy Smoot is back.

He said that regarding his situation, it's all about what the Redskins want to do. Said he considers himself to be a core Redskin, which is why he pushed himself to return from his surgery as quickly as possible. Had a great talk with Coach Gibbs that was very positive. He told Coach Gibbs that he understood, no matter what happens. And, Coach Gibbs said that he wanted him here. He said it almost makes you feel like you're getting thrown under the bus to be asked to take a pay cut after he pushed himself to get back as soon as possible, but that he doesn't take it personally.

He likes London Fletcher as a player. Talked about how smart Fletcher is and how he organizes the defense, which is something that was missing when Antonio Pierce left.

Said his process has not gotten close to what the Lavar situation was. He said he not worrying about things too much, and that he's just working out and trying to take care of himself. Can bench over 300lbs now, so his shoulder is fine.

Posted by: JustMe | March 5, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

jason, is there any talk about guys that are already on the roster like whitticker, armstrong, or pucillo? maybe the answer at guard will come from within.

Posted by: eeyeats | March 5, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

dcswee, you beat me to it.

Posted by: eeyeats | March 5, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hows the Springs/Bly situation looking?

Posted by: Dorf | March 5, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Dock was a 3rd rd pick the rest of the line were 1st & 2nd,so to say he was the worst of these guys is not saying anything,come out of DENIAL, DOCK WILL BE MISSED!!!!!

Posted by: Dock will be missed!! DENIAL | March 5, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Why are Y'all trippin over Dock leaving. The Redskins prob lowballed him last year. His agent prob predicted correctly how the market for him would be and they was gonna bounce anyway since they knew he wasn't gonna get the $$ he could have gotten on the MArket.

For Examples, see Smoot and Pierce.

Also, is Smoot officially Smoot 2.1??

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Rank the value of the linemen to our OL.

#1. Samuels
#2. Thomas
#3. Jansen
#4. Rabach
#5. Dockery

Posted by: Nobody saying Dock was bad | March 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Broncos just signed Travis Henry, for what it's worth.

Jim might have a point about Jordan Black--he's listed at 6'5" 310, turned 27 this year, sounds like he's worth a look. Of course Saunders probably knows his weaknesses better than anyone.

Posted by: Will | March 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Pettigout Pettigot Pettigee, Pettigone. The guy is a waste. But maybe he can steal his playbook and explain to us how Tiki rambled for 200+ last time.

Posted by: Schlereth | March 5, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Alot of posts are hating on Dock? only because he left!!Everybody we bring is great & everybody who leaves sucks!!You are all DENIAL FANS!!

Posted by: FANS IN DENIAL | March 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

GUARDS GROW ON TREES hey look JASON I see one behind your desk!!Just plug him in!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Len Paquerrelli has got to be the worst sports writer in america. King of the obvious master of the contradiction....

Latest column:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=2788383

I love how he bashes the Falcons signing of Ravens LB Hartwell 2 years ago while slurping Patriots for signing Thomas. Arent both guys a result of playing in Ravens system with Ray Ray there to protect them? Excuse but what was Thomas the first 7 years in the league? A celebrated special teamer....

How is this guy being paid....If internet guru "Todd" is still lurking here...this dude def backs up your citizen journalist arguement...

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys, gotta share this......

I come back from lunch and see they let go of 3 departments at my company today. The end is coming very soon for me, but I think they said we (accounting) will be last. So, I may have a month or so left here.....

You'll know it when I am just known as 'Home Floor'..........

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dock will be missed!! DENIAL, I'm just saying the it will be easier to replace Dockery than someone like Ryan Clark or Antonio Pierce. No amount of exclamation points or capital letters is going to going to change that. Dockery is gone ... Samuels wanted him back ... the Skins couldn't keep him ... but seems more than OK to dry away the tears b/c the Skins are not in as much trouble as they are along the DEFENSIVE line.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Dock is who he thought he was......

Not worth $49 Million.......

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

No one is in Denial. Most of us would prefer Dock stay but you can't just ignore the gap. You have 109 million dollars and 45 spaces to fill. You can't pay a guy 7 million dollars a year who is a 6/10 player.

For all of you harping on keeping Dock, why don't you let us know who we should have cut?

We could have paid him that had we let Springs go and one other players. So please if you insist that Dock was so integral please let us know where to get the 7mill/year from?

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"All I know about Petitgout is the G-men's pass protection totally fell apart when he got hurt last year."

Posted by: Leon | March 5, 2007 03:07 PM

Exactly. I saw the game when he got hurt and the G-Men had to stick in old Bob Whitfield there and it was just too much for him. He was a fine player for many years, but it was obvious age had caught up with him at that time. Eli was running for his life after that a lot of the time. Whitfield also just retired very recently.

Luke would be a fine addition for depth at both tackle/guard positions and I think could be had for a decent contract. My only concern is that he too, is starting to wear down.

As for getting a long-term solution for the guard position, at this point, I think the draft is the way to go. Go for an elite one with Pick 6 or trade down and maybe get two in later rounds. Pickings are slim for a real good FA one and the last thing we want to see is overspending on a C-plus one.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Any chance the Broncos would bite on a Rogers for Bly trade (plus or minus add-ins)? After ESPN took your story and put it on front page this morning it just seems like it could get messy in Denver.

Prolly just the fanboy in me, but a Smoot-Springs-Bly CB posibility is exciting.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

GUARDS GROW ON TREES hey SWEEN I see one now right next to you im sure hell come cheap! plug him in!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

4th, bummer man. Thoughts going out your way.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If they can spend 50 mill on 2 FAs they could have been creative with a CORE PLAYER!!

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

That Travis Henry signing must preclude any chance of Betts going to Denver.

Springs trade to Denver seems unlikely. Bly won't be making any less money than Springs, and Denver doesn't pick until #21 if we are to throw draft picks into the mix.

What are we doing at kicker though? I wouldn't mind trading some future picks to get Mason Crosby and cut John Hall.

Posted by: Jon | March 5, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

lost another core player --

They were creative. You don't get more CORE than London Fletcher or Fred Smoot. These are great pickups.

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson is signing with cowboys to back up ROMO

Posted by: News Flash | March 5, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Bly has a contract for one year. We should just wait and pick him up next year after seeing how our cb's do this year.

Posted by: charlie | March 5, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

KK hired guns are not core players they are divas till they prove otherwise!! havent you learned that from all the FA mistakes?????

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What they spent on those two guys was what they'd have spent on Dock #1.

#2 I'm pretty sure that Springs is gone so we had need at CB which is integral in Grill's D. Also, both players know the system already.

Bottom line, I'll take Fletcher and Smoot over Dock anyday.

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

That sucks 4th, good luck man! Beat them to it and leave while some places are desperate for tax season help.

Yeah i know Bly has one year left, but The Snyder was willing to extend him, and I'm sure they could find a way to make it cap friendly. I just get a feeling that Rogers' cap number isn't going to be so nice next year anyway, so why not get something for him while Den is on the ropes.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

allstar, Rogers is one guy who should NOT be let go. HE would be the definite candidate for the guy who becomes great after he leaves. He SHOULD be a better player next year for US -- assuming his thumb heals properly, that there are improvements along the D-line, and that there are healthy guys around him in the secondary. Also, he is roommates with Jason Campbell, so along the lines of Ryan Clark supporting Sean Taylor off-the-field, without knowing more, no need to pull out a support network from underneath the QB of the present.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

lost another--

Smoot proved himself once as a core Redskin. Man nearly shut down one half the field. Fletcher has proved himself as the core of the Williams defense. Would you rather have Lamar Marshall back in the middle next year?

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the Henry signing fool you. Shanahan prefers Betts as his starter. B/c the Skins have no draft picks to deal, Shanny had to go out and get some other pieces to play with. Look for a Henry/Bly package with Springs/Betts on the rebound, plus or minus some other small pieces. This one is simply starting to take shape.

Posted by: Mile High Insider | March 5, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

skinz when Dock is still playing 10 yrs from now & fletch & smoot are busts and gone in 2 yrs I hope your still here?????

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Ok, Shawn Springs was interviewed on 980 and said he wants to stay a Redskin. Said he had a great talk with Gibbs.

So can we please put that stupid rumor to bed?

Posted by: Lisa | March 5, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

All-Star - I ain't leaving until they hand me my severance check, buddy. SHOW ME THE MONEEE!

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

KK whos to say they couldnt have all 3 they just tried to go cheap on Dock & lost!!

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

all in all so far i think we have done a better job this year than in recent years of keeping the team together and adding good guys to fit r system. i dont want to see more trades involving core players. move springs to fs like rod woodson did years back and see how he does.

Posted by: Brut | March 5, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Mile High,

That is an interesting deal you have there. However, I think that Springs and Betts will both stay. There is little overtly to say that Springs would be traded, especially at this point of the off-season.

However, we are dealing with Boy Owner, so anything is possible.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Springs doesn't get to make that decision. This one is as good as done as I've seen in a while. It's now a matter of getting the right pieces into place so both sides walk away with what they want. Remember the CAP. That's what the deal is about - Cap relief.

Posted by: Mile High Insider | March 5, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,
I hope you're right. I wanna have faith in the kid, I guess I'm just spoiled from Bailey and Smoot being our last 2 early CB draft picks. I was very disappointed when he had a chance to step up last year, and I hope he does rebound like you think he will.

Betts would put up GAUDY numbers in Denver, so here's hoping he doesn't ask us to send him there himself. The 2 back offense is becoming all the rage and we need both of them.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

A Portis-Henry combo wouldn't be to shabby

Posted by: Counter-Trey | March 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

As usual, people play both sides of the fence. "We don't keep our core players", however if we signed Dock to a 49 Million dollar contract, it would have been, "Snyder has no idea how to run a team, you can't pay guards that kind of money".

Anyway, what about Tonui Fontoi, he was a 2nd round draft pick of the Chargers a couple years ago I believe.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We can still have a 2 back set. CP and the ROCK!

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers contract is probably very cap friendly too since it is his rookie deal.

I had no idea Dockery had such a huge fan. It's like a broken record. Move on.

Posted by: cdubb | March 5, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Will the skins survive with out Dockery and a possible addition of Pettigout? Next question!

Posted by: Denesh | March 5, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Lost another core player--

Look the Skins offered to pay him what he was worth. The Bills paid him what he prayed for. The man's prayers were answered, but not by Mr. Snyder.

Dock should do a video on the power of prayer and how to turn it to your advantage.

Good for Dock -- if anyone should win the lottery it should be him. But he's not worth than much money. He was in the right place at the right time.

Posted by: KK | March 5, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I was a huge proponent of keeping Dock, but once I saw what Buffalo gave him, no F-ing way. I know he was a core Redskin but there's no way we could justify giving him that kind of coin. And who knows, maybe he'll crap out in Buffalo and we can resign him on the cheap 2 years from now.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

No way do the Skins want Travis Henry with his $12million guaranteed. It would be very weird for Denver to sign him and then deal him.

I would however, think it's possible a Mike Bell+Bly+picks for Springs+Betts could work.

Posted by: Jon | March 5, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned a Henry/Bly for Springs/Betts...

I think with as much emphasis as Coach Joe puts on having "character guys" no way he makes that deal.

Travis Henry has already been nailed twice by the league for smoking the sticky icky.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Dock is a year younger than Smoot.

At any rate, Dock is gone and wasn't an option with the Skins cap contraints at 7 mill a year. So it's really a moot point.

I'll be interested to see how much a diff Dock makes in Buffalo. My guess is not that much. He only got into shape and played hard in a contract year. Now that he's got that contract we'll see if he still has the desire.

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

allstar, I've been beating a drum about Double Move for a couple of weeks now. He broke his thumb -- surgery requiring two screws -- at Week 6. He sits out Week 7. Bye during Week 8. Then he comes back -- a CB with a broken thumb. That's an important injury for a corner. I know he dropped LOTS of passes that hit BOTH hands, but I see a brighter future in this guy next season.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of Dock just not in DENIAL like the rest of you & the price of guards is what it is, you snoose you lose!

Posted by: your in denial | March 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As long as Springs stays healthy (and granted that is always a big question) our CB situation will be way better than last year. Our RB's are definitely set. Why would you want to mess with that?

Guard/line depth and D line should be the only priorities right now.

Posted by: cdubb | March 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I hope your right, but let's not forget the ones he dropped his rookie year. Remember Seattle in the playoffs...DOH!

I just don't think the dude can catch, otherwise he might be a wide receiver.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

How can you put a price on CORE players?? Keep them at all cost!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Henry can't hold Betts's jock. That's another point to consider beyond the character issue.

Posted by: Will | March 5, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I remember the part about the NFL suspension for falling off the substance abuse recovery program bandwagon. Seems like a conflict with St. Joe's program.

Aside on a related note ... how UNCOOL is whoever leaked the bit about Donte Stallworth being IN the substance abuse recovery program. His FA value dropped like a rock! This is a guy who is trying to get himself right and is STICKING WITH the program. Completely uncool to leak that confidential information. Even though he is an Eagle, smack to the back of the head with jm220's hammer!

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Keep your core players at all cost. Yeah, and they'll be playing both ways because you'll only have 17 guys on your team.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

cdubb,

Agree with you there. As long as Carlos shows last year was more injuries than jitters, we are good at CB and RB. Take a stud DL with the #6 and sign some cheap G to fill space. Someone said our line was getting near dominant, it was impressive 2 years ago, but last year weren't we towards the bottom half of the league in sacks allowed? Not to mention our running game sucked until Betts got hot in like week 7 or 8. I wouldn't call that dominant. Good, yes, but we will survive the loss of Dock. Know why?

Cause we don't have a choice.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with only 17 players as long as one of them is named Sean Taylor.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of Dock just not in DENIAL like the rest of you & the price of guards is what it is, you snoose you lose!

Posted by: your in denial | March 5, 2007 04:18 PM


KK whos to say they couldnt have all 3 they just tried to go cheap on Dock & lost!!

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 04:04 PM

Anybody else notice this stronzo's writing style is the exact same as about 20 other "people" posting on here? Including original boofer? Hmmmm. To borrow the phrase: I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

where were you guys all day? I finally have things to do and the blog is blown up.

ahh.. the ever elusive "core" redskin definition. You can argue all off season about an arbitrary term that Joe Gibbs invented. Is it me or is he becoming a "George Bush" like guy that makes up names for everyone/thing.

Posted by: Dorf | March 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

etrod, I'm definitely thinking wishfully about Rogers here. Sending karma waves. I cannot forget the drop in the playoffs ... not sure how that game could have ended if he made what would have been a "big play." That said, as an objective observer (as opposed to Skins fan), do you think the Skins could have survived that next game after Seattle?

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Core players are loyal & FAs are divas how many times do you have to get burned before you stop puting your hand in the fire???

Posted by: lost another core player | March 5, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Too many back and forth post about a frekin gaurd giving me a headache.......

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

No way. I still think they lose to Seattle because man boobs never adjusted his game plan after Alexander got hurt.

I hope Double-Move gets his hands working but as long as he can stop guys from catching the ball, I'll take some drops.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

lost another core player:

by your definition, that makes Dockery a Diva so, on behalf of the entire RI blog:

F DOCKERY.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

With all of the recent signings, it has made think a lot about next season. Man are we going to suck during the 2007 season. I predict a last place finish (3-13 or 4-12), and the end of the Gibbs era II. Are you kidding me, Fletcher, Smoot, and Petigout(Sp?) What kind of drugs are being passed around at Redskins Park?

Posted by: Doomsday for the Skins | March 5, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

being a guard is not the point its that this team is still allowing home grown players to leave!

Posted by: when will they learn? | March 5, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Dorf,
Was trying to be productive in the morning, now I've hit the wall and need entertainment to survive the last 90 min.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

etrod your one of those fans who say we are going to the SB every yr!!DENIAL

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Doomsday for the Skins...

No way...we will win the division and go deep into the playoffs. The continuity is there and the players will be fresh

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I sense a disturbance in the force ... a return of the frustrated extremists of ES maybe. In an acronym, ITA.

etrod, I'm just saying (and I'm going to just say repeatedly), if both Betts and Rogers can just hang onto the ball, Skins are competitive in the NFC East.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Could be worse. We could be Dallas. Fresh off a 10 year vacation from a playoff win, but Peter King's yearly preseason pick for a Superbowl.

Posted by: Well | March 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

observation: spike in negativity around 4:30pm ... just as schools let out ... I'm not saying ... I'm just saying.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Skins could very well suck this year. But I do know this. Campbell being in there at QB for a full year and not having Kenny Wright starting at CB is good for at least 2 more wins in 2007.

Posted by: cdubb | March 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

and if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts when they hopped.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne, don't get all preseason Brunelly on us here. No need for irrational exuberance. Making a wild card spot in the NFC East is all anyone needs to compete.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I dont see why people are so angry about losing DD. He signed a ridiculously bloated contract for an above-average guard and people are flippin out cause we lost him? He was the lowest on the 5-man totem poll know as the Dirtbags... let it go.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

No way...just like no-name said - We're going to the superbowl every year!

ITE (Ignore the etrod)

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping we have a great year, and then noticing the wonderful irony, they make JC the new Chunky Soup commercial guy.

I'm just sayin' is all.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Im not one of those that predict superbowl every year. Im the first one to say when things are going to be tough. I predicted last year.

I honestly believe that they will be dramatically improved this year.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

observation: spike in negativity around 4:30pm ... just as schools let out ... I'm not saying ... I'm just saying.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 04:35 PM

LMAO!!! nice.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | March 5, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

On to more important topics.

If a hurricane named Sean Taylor met a bus full of mini Sean Taylors, who would prevail?

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

There isn't a point in switching names so that it appears 10 people are arguing in yuor favor. You aren't fooling anyone.

You still haven't given me an answer on who we should have cut in order to make room for Dock.

If we hadn't signed a CB and MLB then who'd have been our Nickel back? Who plays the middle?

If you don't answer that then I officially put you on the ITA list.

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Miami is only looking for a third rounder for Randy McMichael. That would be a nice addition to the offense. But we really don't need anymore skill position players. We need O-line and D-line help. Big time. Please use that pick on a college stud.

Posted by: Randy Mac | March 5, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Steve Czaban just made a good point about LFB. Redskins signing him is only making up for the pennywise mistake of letting Pierce, who wasn't asking for $10 mil guaranteed and is younger.

Posted by: LH | March 5, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyone care to explain this to me. It's been noted that one of the reasons people have been getting insane contracts this year is that its a weak free agent class, but there are a bunch of teams with huge amounts of salary cap space which they have to use.

My question is, why can't they do the inverse of what the redskins normally do, restructure contracts to have a smaller cap hit this year, and restructure the contracts so they have a bigger cap this year? Wouldn't that be a good way for teams with a core of star players to keep them around in the future instead of wasting cap space on less players? Or are their rules in the NFL CBA that prevent this?

Posted by: sp | March 5, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I think we lost on a continuity perspective by Dockery leaving, I don't think it's a question that we lost a real talent.

Does that make sense?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

OK, 4-12 hit on something I've been feeling the last couple of weeks/months. You (4-12) called the troll poster out, so he/she sent two simultaneous posts at 4:31 with differing styles, tones, etc. Notice the careless (but actually quite careful) lack of punctuation, spelling, grammar, etc., followed by overly precise example of the same. However, as 4-12 noticed, the purpose, over-all tone, and voice is the same. I think there is one negative poster of this sort (this weekend was different), and his first name was BOOFER. He/she may even be a Skins fan but, as someone has said before, loves stirring the pot. One person, one BOOFER (now a generic term - keep using it, folks), and no amount of f-ing around with fonts or spelling, etc., can hide it. You're funny, and I for one appreciate what you add. But you are one (weird) dude, and can't ever prove otherwise.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 5, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

La Canforna is such a homer. For starters, we offered that Davis guy more than the Cowboys and he still signed with them. He spins it like we lost out because we were being "restrained". Try being a journalist and not just pandering to the masses.

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

OR, in the land of hypothetical, suppose we were smart enough to resign Pierce, and kept Smoot. Then do we have enough cap room as result to keep Dockery, AND who would we have gotten with the draft picks we traded trying to make up for both blunders?

We should just stop beating ourselves up about the ones that got away (and came back in Smoot's case) and get excited for the draft.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

For the last FREAKING TIME ON PIERCE. Get it through your STUPID, head. Pierce wanted MORE than Marcus Washington. Marcus is a BETTER player. Does that make ANY SENSE to do? Furthermore, in 2005, when he was NOT INJURED, or COMING OFF MULTIPLE SURGERIES, Marshall had the SAME YEAR that Pierce did.

Can people PLEASE MOVE ON FROM PIERCE. Guy wanted top dollar and when he got it from another team, he bad-mouthed the skins, but some of you still can't get over this. I DON'T GET IT.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 5, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I'd be worried about bringing in an establisted guy on the downside of his career to plug in the middle of a tight OL. That plan worked out real well with Arch Deluxe right??!?!?

Seems that we'd be better off to promote from within, Pucillo?, AND draft a yound kid who can be hazed/taught/groomed by Samuels, Randy, Jansen and Rabach...

Posted by: Gibby | March 5, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

skinz - you were feeling it too and beat me to the punch much more succinctly (while I was writing my manifesto).

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 5, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Good point sp,

There shouldn't be anything about restructuring in reverse, and it would be a very smart choice for some teams with cap room, but how many players would restructure and have less security ($$$) later in their career in the NFL?

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

We did not lose out by not signing Leonard Davis. We lucked out. And if LD signed with Dallas for less money that makes him lazy and stupid.

And if you're going to hate on our boy, J-La, then at least spell his name right.

Nobody butchers the English language on this blog but Jason.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Danny,

How do you know this? I don't buy it.

Sorry but Marshall was not the same player as Pierce. I dont care what the tackling says. Pierce was the leader of that D and should have been resigned. He was worth every penny and has taken over the same role in NY.

There was an article stating that he kept that D playing tough through injuries last year. I'm not crying over spilled milk here but I think you'd be hard pressed to say that not giving Pierce a contract was a mistake. Bear in mind it was widely reported that he would have accepted less to stay.

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

THERE IS ONLY ONE BOOFER YOU BOZO SKINNY CLOWNS THATS WHY WE SIGNED DAVIS AND YOU DIDNT AND ALL YOU CLOWNS ARGUING BACK AND FORTH ABOUT A GAURD IS SO HILARIOUS THAT I ALMOST ALMOST FELT SORRY FOR YOU SUCKERS NOW GRAB A TISSUE FROM YOUR BOOHOO BOX AND GET READY TO BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE DIVISION 0-6 ALL THE WAY

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

Posted by: BOOFER | March 5, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Bear in mind that Pierce wanted more than Marcus Washington, and isn't as good a player. Pierce claimed to have been willing to stay for less, but in reality, he signed a contract for MORE, so how's that working out for you.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 5, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You got me on the typo etrod, but the Gibbs & co wanted Davis whether you like it or not. Seems like Davis just wanted to go home to Texas and always did.

If it makes you feel better, apparently the Giants were ready to offer more $$$ than both us and the Cowboys. Now we're talking about signing Petitgout, a guy the Giants just dumped on the street.

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Amen Greg in Beantown. This is pathetic. Who gives a flying f about a guy who is no longer here. Move the f on.

F Pierce, F Dock, F Davis, F Henry, and if Springs can't fall in line, F HIM.

Next person to mention a FORMER player, should have the shabingus smacked from the back of their head.

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

DOCERY IS FROM TEXAS SKINNYS HE DIDNT LIKE THE DEADSKINS IN THE FRIST PLACE NOW ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE BOOHOOING CAUSE DOCKERY WHO GREW UP LOVING THE COWBOYS WAS TIRED OF ALL THE DC WHINNING WE ARE ALREADY RELOADED OF THE SEASON AND YOU BOZOS ARE BTICHING ABOUT A GAURD WHO DIDNT WANT TO PLAY FOR THE SKINNYS IN THE FRIST PLACE

HEHEHEHEHEHEHE

Posted by: BOOFER | March 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Pierce got 5 yr $26 mil deal with $6.5 mil bonus. That's less than what LFB got in guaranteed money - the only figure that really means anything in the NFL. And Marshall wasn't a MLB.

And Greg why are you "yelling?" When posts annoy me I ignore them. It looks like you're pulling at your hair.

Posted by: LH | March 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg. I am exhausted with hearing about AP. The fact of the matter is he *and* Smoot left, and the Skins were still a top 10 defense.

While most of these players (those above, as well as Ryan Clark, and Walt Harris) were here, most fans assessed their play in pretty much the same way the FO valued them. After the selection of some bad replacements, though, the fans get buyer's remorse and wish the familiar players, and their egos and performance limitations, were around.

Let it go. Let all of *them* go. What's done is done. As someone said in one of the earlier posts today, the focus needs to be on the future rather than harping on the past. It can't be changed.

Posted by: JustMe | March 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right Greg, Pierce signed for more, after he gave us a chance to match it and we declined. You can't compare Pierce and Washington because they play different positions, while youre at it compare him with Jansen. Compare Lemar and Pierce then, who has the better stats? More importantly, who led better and got the mental side of the scheme? By the way, the difference in cap number for Washington and Pierce is

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Danny, I don't know if that's true or not but come this season whan Tony Romo is lying in a crumpled heap beneath Andre Carter or Gaines Adams or whoever while LD is picking up his mouthpiece or staring a pretty birdie in the sky, I think Gibbs and co. will be glad he wanted to go home.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back, Boofer. Seriously, we missed you. Especially after this weekend.

BTW, Guards don't grow on trees. They're at the Tater Tots aisle at the Piggly Wiggly. Just put one in your shopping cart, and voila! Super Bowl.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 5, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

How's what working out for me?

How is Pierce not a good player? 107 tackles, 1 int and 30 assists. Made it to the pro bowl. You see, it's the internet and with the anonymity you can make ignorant statements all you want so have at it. Just realize that while your stupidity will never be traced back to you, it's stupidity non the less.

How's it working out for me? Not very well. My Teams D went from 3 when he was here to 30 this year. How's it working out for you?

Ok, ITA, I'm done lest I get worked up. Good night.

Posted by: Skinz | March 5, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I hope everyone is planning on living this week like it's Shark Week.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 5, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Time will tell on Davis, but he's a Cowboy rather than a Redskins because he wanted to play for the Cowboys. Pure and simple. Let's not pretend we didn't want him and try to suger-coat it. It is, what it is.

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Greg,

End of a long day, little snippy. Half my post got cut out anyway. You're right, they arent here anymore, I just hope we make better player choices in the future.

Posted by: allstar | March 5, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Bring it Skinz.

Danny, no one is pretending. Where are you getting your info? Seems to me the only person pretending is you. Pretending you know something.

Until I see a reputable source I'll assume that's just more internet rumor.

Posted by: Da Truef | March 5, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I am living every week like its shark week! Chum the water baby I'm comin in!!!!!!!

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 5, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks we can't get exactly who we want is crazy. We could have had Davis, I just think the brass realized he is what he is...lazy

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

sp, I think many teams are doing this, mostly by signing players to extensions (so that the total contract hits less against the cap), plus cash payouts in the current year to reduce future year commitments. I think that's how/why the Skins worked out the new contracts with Sellers and R.Thomas. The Skins have to be thinking, "if we can't re-sign Dockery this year, how the hell are we re-sign Sean Taylor and Chris Cooley next year?" They need to focus now on what the cap is going to look like for the next couple of seasons.

Also, I thought I read that Randy McMichael just got cut. The other thing I read is about how he's been in trouble before as a wife beater. What I haven't been able to figure out is whether he is a good blocking TE.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Randy Mac is only a pass catcher, we dont need him....

Posted by: Chris Larry | March 5, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

k Squared, no need to drop the chris Larry bomb on Springs. Right now, he is the Skins #1 CB for next year. Show the love until Springs gives a reason otherwise. If not agreeing to re-negotiating means he's not falling in line, then [something something something clever about falling in line being stupid]. It's the Skins, not Springs, who want out of arm's length agreement, freely negotiated by grownups and lawyers. Springs is still the man. I'm looking forward to his return to full health.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Actually like Luke as a signing as he can bounce to either tackle position if needed. Probably a good move from the depth standpoint. He's worth 12mm to sign in my book.

Posted by: TB | March 5, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

You guys wouldn't believe me if I told you where I heard that the Redskins were ready to pay Davis more than the Cowboys.

Look at it another way, how often do the Redskins roll out the red carpet for a free agent and let him leave town without a contract? Especially one who would fill a huge hole on our team?

Anyways, John Clayton had it on ESPN that the Giants were ready to offer more than the Cowboys and Redskins and it's widely reported that Davis wanted to go home to Texas.

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I've seen a couple people worried about Reaper. He's going into his 4th year in '07. His rookie deal is a 7-year deal, and I think the last year is voidable. So, in reality it's a 6 year deal. He'll play this year, and '08, then they'll redo his deal before '09. Cooley is UFA after '07, so he's the priority.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I say guard is the easiest position to fill because like 3 people inside that building have said that to me. if it's good enough for them, and that's what they believe, then it's good enough for me. So, hell, I'm to keep writing it.
Only Gibbs and Snyder call the shots, so who knows what they will do, but there is no shortage of people there who think they could plug from off the street or thru the draft.

Oh yeah, and the guy who posted as Danny Snyder - whoever you are - is a complete idiot.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 5, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Dcsween,

I have to disagree. I think Springs is considered in such high regard simply because there was no one behind him with any credibility.

I would like to see how he responds with Fred Smoot in the picture. I know what I am about to say is irrelevant from an NFL standpoint but....Springs just does not deserve the money he is asking for.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

damn! Now THAT was the real JLaC!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

cheynne
I hope our D LINE agrees with you on Davis being LAZY they will see him twice a yr now!!We tried and lost to get him give it a rest & quit being in DENIAL!!The brass can kiss my A**!

Posted by: Core out the DOOR | March 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

4-12 sorry to hear about your job brother.

It's good to see people been having their way with the hammer. LMAO!

Posted by: jm220 | March 5, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

JLaC - If I was you I would accuse ESPN.com of complete plagerisum. They basically STOLE YOUR BLOG POST.........

Posted by: 4th | March 5, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

jm220- Uh-oh! You know something that I don't?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason
if guard is sooooo easy to replace then why did the brass give randy thomas big money at the time???????????????????

Posted by: Sources only spin | March 5, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

But does that make him more or less likely to be the real Danny Snyder?

Posted by: SMACK | March 5, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL, La Confora's classic, "some people in the building told me..."

That's just another way of saying, "I don't really know this to be fact, but someone I know (who isn't Gibbs or Snyder) thinks that..."

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sween....it is not just the renegoatiation.

No question, out of the corners currently on the roster, he is the no. 1. But, this is the same guy, who waited all through training camp last year, to determine he needed abdominal surgery...which left the FO scrambling for suitable replacements.

Any other competent player was already signed, hence the need to sign a Kenny Wright or Mike Rumph, neither of whom was worth shineola. Springs has always had an injury prone label, is going into his 10th year, has a lot of miles, and injuries yet to fegin.

To me, he just doesn't seem worth the trouble...or the cap number.

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"Springs just does not deserve the money he is asking for."

Cheyenne, he's not asking for any money. He has a contract that calls from him to make $6+ mil in salary and bonuses. The 'Skins want him to take a pay cut. He doesn't want to because he knows (and the 'Skins know) he can recoup that on open market if let go.

Posted by: LH | March 5, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

jm220, um, I borrowed your blogsmack hammer, um, a couple of times ... without asking. sorry about that.

Cheyenne, Springs does not deserve the money he's asking for? He's only asking for the money he's already entitled to receive. He's got a contract that keeps him here for another two years. [Concession: I am not really entitled to the money that I'm paid at work ... mostly b/c I spent too much time on this blog ... but I do have a contract, so that's my story and I'm sticking to it.]

SHEESH! Next thing you're gonna tell me is that Lloyd and Archuleta do not deserve the money they're asking for ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

LH

I understand what you mean, which is why I'm sure we will cut him on June 1.

He is not worth the money we owe him.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

k Squared, I hear what you're saying, but I'm wondering whether Springs injury didn't happen before the first playoff game in Tampa Bay in 2005 ... and went undiagnosed or misdiagnosed by the team's medical staff until way too late. While Brunell has a long history of being stubborn and not owning up to the fact and admitting when he gets hurt (other than by playing crappy), I don't know whether that was the case with Springs. I'm just saying ... its another possible explanation for the whole injured CB shabingus.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Nation isnt use too other teams making players highest paid at that position!We have cornered that market for many yrs!Randy Thomas(guard) was the highest at his position when we signed him! if Guards are so easy to find then why did we make him the highest paid?The price of doing business is going up with the CAP & we are not prepared and thats why we lost a core player and will lose many more because of all the bad deals!PAY LATER THEORY HAS CAUGHT UP!!

Posted by: CAP HELL | March 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

4-12 sorry brother. I meant to say 4th. Or maybe since I couldn't bait CL I trying to bait you. Smack to the back of my own head for the mistake.

dcsween no problem brohter. It had me laughing.

Posted by: jm220 | March 5, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

cap hell, D.S., still the same dude.

Posted by: stevie in ct | March 5, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

P-Diddy - I see the manatee has become the mento.

I don't think Springs is worth the money he is owed either but I also don't think that he should have to give any of it up since the F/O had the audacity to assume he would restructure once the time came. Maybe they will learn a lesson from this, probably not.

Danny/Cap Hell/Boofer/a$$ clown - I don't know how long you've been reading or posting but J-La has been pretty spot on with his predictions based on what he's heard from "people in the park" so you'll forgive us for siding with him.

Posted by: etrod | March 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Sween...I see your point as well.

He very well could have injured himself then, but he had to know that thing was not healing right. How could he not be totally focused on getting 100% for the next year is hard to understand.

Leaving your team in the lurch, to get surgery, albeit necessary, is selfish. As much as I don't favor Brunell, he seems to be happy with the money he has made (even if he didn't always earn it), and restructured to stay, earn a little more, and mostly help the team try to get help. For that, I can't fault Brunell.

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree,

I think Brunell did it as a gesture to Coach Joe. He is proven...not the best by any stretch, but he can come in and be effective.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

etrod, not sure I want to be thrown in with that crowd but I stand by my posts.

I'm not saying La Canfora's always wrong and that he doesn't give us good information most of the time. All I'm saying is that he's not above spinning the message a little.

Are you also saying that the proverbial "people in the park" aren't capable of spining the info they give him a little? Especially when the Redskins just lost out on a player to the Cowboys?

Posted by: Danny Snyder | March 5, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I missed that earlier. 4th, sorry to hear about the job. Hell yeah, don't leave early...make them give you the severance and everything else they owe you. You own that damn 4th floor!

jm220- Trying to bait me like cL. That's too funny. He showed quite a bit of restraint when you were poking at him.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Davis is going to end up being something of a Trojan Horse to the Cowboys.

Looks good on the other side of the gate but once you bring it in, its full of crap.

KUDOS to the skins for seeing through it.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

4-12 I know. He didn't even give me a F jm220.lol

Posted by: jm220 | March 5, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

k Squared, one of the reasons I can't really hazard a guess about the Springs' injury is b/c, as a regular schmoe, I just cannot relate to the pain levels that NFL players go through. These guys who 'play through the pain,' that term doesn't mean that much to me. Kind of like how the pain of child birth will forever be something I am unqualified to discuss. Seems like, at some point, a player has to rely on what the doctors tell him.

With Brunell, on the other hand, I'm thinking that, based on two mid-season injuries that were not disclosed until the post-season, just doesn't tell the doctors that he's hurt. Instead, his performance just plummets. He doesn't want to lose game time.

Money money money. I know we are spending alot of time talking about the money here, but that's b/c free agency is in full swing. But what is important for the TEAM during the GAME is to have the best 22 guys on the field. If a player is sandbagging about his injuries, and that player is the GD quarterback, I'm going to fault him about that.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

etrod 1 OUT of 4 not bad but more then 1 fan can have a problem with the team just like more then 1 fan lives in fantasy football land (lots here)If you cant see the cap problems here thats your problem but we cant even afford decent backups!and the brass is spining threw Jason!

Posted by: Cap Hell | March 5, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Brunell is in a much different place than Springs. Outside of Washington, he's through as player. If he doesn't restructure, they cut him with the quickness when it's most palatable and he's finished in the NFL. Less cash is better than no cash.

People say Springs isn't worth the money. Well who do you replace him with? Certainly not anybody off of the street. When he plays he's pretty damn effective. If I coached the D, I certainly wouldn't want to enter the season with Rogers and Smoot as my top CBs.

Posted by: LH | March 5, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

cheyenne what are you going to say when Davis uses fletch as a toothpick & knocks carter back with one arm at the same time?

Posted by: greg(boston) | March 5, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Jason, do you know whether Petigout has other teams scheduled to visit? Or is it down to the Skins and Bucs?

Also, any data on whether Washington is on Reggie Kelly's itinerary?

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Sween, no doubt. Hiding injuries is detrimental, but creating them to somehow explain your lack of productivity is another.

A torn Labrum is pretty significant, one in which I find hard to hide. Regardless, his legs are too old, is not willing to stand in there, as long as possible, and didn't seem able to make something out of nothing. He is guilty of worse things at QB, then hiding an injury.

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Davis, Davis, Davis (in the voice of Edward G. Robinson in Ten Commandments about Moses), all I hear about is this Davis.

Look, the rap on Brandon Lloyd was that he was locker room poison, had a bad attitude, and the Skins FO missed it and signed him to a huge contract.

The rap on Leonard Davis is that he's lazy. The Skins FO got it and Dallas signed him to a huge contract.

Lesson learned. Good enough for me.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope everyone is living in reality. We suck!!!! We have sucked since Joe Gibbs left us the first time in 1992. We consistently been one of the worst teams in the draft, and free agency. We have no direction, we have no players, we have an owner who thinks he is God's Gift to the World, we have a coach who should have stayed retired, we have a saftey who has serious mental issues, and have fans that live way too much in the past. I am sorry to say this, but the Redskins will never win the Super Bowl ever again. Solution to the problem, no one renew their season tickets, force Dan Snyder to sell the team, and pray to god that we eventual get some competent people in the front office who know HOW TO DRAFT AND DEVELOP THEIR TALENT!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Doomsday for the Skins | March 5, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"when he plays he's pretty damn effective"

Sounds like a description of someone who needs to restructure.

greg, what are you going to say when Taylor uses Davis like prostitute withholding money

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think a lot of you remember Champ first couple of years here. He wasn't all that great. He grew into being one of the top CB in the league.

I am not saying double move is going to be great. But you have to give him another year or two to see what you got.

Posted by: jm220 | March 5, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"He is guilty of worse things at QB than hiding an injury."

Posted by: k Squared | March 5, 2007 06:12 PM

My point is that the two are related. Dink and dunk was not just fear of the new Saunders' O. If a multi-year starter vet QB loses confidence in his accuracy on the deep ball, and throws deep only on the sidelines, then his injury is part of the reason for the worse things he did.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne
Davis will make TAYLOR a prostitute

Posted by: greg(boston) | March 5, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Good to see that BOOFER is back. I needed the laughs, the bad typing and the horrid syntax. Only a Cowboy fan could type that badly and still graduate at the top of his 4th grade class. (The highest known grade in Big D).

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Nos
that is the boofer impersonater he came out of the closet last week but didnt say who he really was?

Posted by: greg(boston) | March 5, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Taylor will be at least 10 yards away from Davis. Davis is too lazy to go the ten yards

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

k Squared, I'm heading out to get drunk (I only get to do that on Monday nights). I don't mean to be so hard on Brunell. I'm good with his new deal. Healthy, I was satisfied, even drinking the Kool-Aid. Its just I was angry that he pulled the "I'm not hurt" stuff for two seasons in a row! Our QB of the future had to do hurry up (also, I blame Collins' presence for that, but that's a separate gripe). Anyway, I didn't want to walk out with the thread hanging. I'm off for a while (till stumbling home and loggging back in).

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne Taylor will be close he always bites on the run thats why he gets burned for TDs

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Well I don't mind admitting that I wanted Davis after we lost Dockery. That's not saying Davis is the best G ever, just the best option at the time. What's done is done, let's move on. Any news on Petitgout?

Posted by: Ed the Red | March 5, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Damn, Tub-O-Goo got enough cash in his pocket for more than one million full rack of ribs dinners at Outback.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 5, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I think with the addition of LFB, we will see an improvement in Taylor.

Hopefully he can work on his repoutation, that's why he draws so many flags.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 5, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Sorry, I have not been around here for a few weeks, so if I missed that he was the BOOF Imposter, my apologies.

Heck, to impersonate BOOF, you just need to spill a beer on the keyboard and have the cat walk over it for 2 minutes and no one will be the wiser. ;)

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

Agreed that London should be a big help. MLB was a huge sore spot last year and steady LB play was the key to 04 and 05 D's, mainly due to good ballhawking, blitzing and good run defense (and staying in position).

That was all stripped last year because of GG's ego, injuries, 131 year old LB Holdman and ST having to cover 4 receivers at once. (Anyone hear that Wright was actually picked up? I would have thought he would have been a "camp body" come August, not a FA pickup).

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

one thing they should have done on Dockery, was either put the franchise tag, on him or have him sign 1st and 3rd tender that way if someone, sign him you get first and third round picks the only issue with this move, is that did they have enough cap room do do either, that I don't know but before starting contract negotiations this is something that they should have looked into

Posted by: armen | March 5, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Holy weekend batman! I tried peeploggers . . .I really tried to read al the posts and stuff and after 2 hours I lost my head because I was smacking the back of it so much (hommage to jm).

Dockery got paid - good for him. He isn't/wasn't worth 18mill even if he is in the Pro Bowl next year. We have to think years out and maybe that's what the FO was finally doing. If we got him last year great but as all of you said we pay him the other o-liners want more. Plus what would that mean for contracts on ANY o-liners we draft or pick up later? Much less other positions. I wish him luck and we move on.
I think the FA signings this year were out of control - thanks in part to our shanbingi of the last years. I think it is lucky we couldn't afford anyone because top tier candidates were not out there except Thomas and maybe Clements.
Someone already said it but it bears repeating I think this year will actually drive prices down a bit next year which is good for us.

Smoot is back - good let's see how it works. I think he's gonna want to prove himself and I think if we keep Springs and he's healthy it pushes Double Move to up his game.

London Calling Answered - decent signing for us. Let him lead and then mentor RockyMac and any young LBs we get.

Now let's focus on getting all these guys to play well along with whose on roster already and get some kick a$$ draftees.

Here's how ya know it's the "real" Skins season - people came out of the woodwork on the blog with passion (and some really strange nastiness)who didn't make their marks during the regular season when we actually play. Ahh love my team! : )

Posted by: sfskin | March 5, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

A separate post to thank you J-La for the monster blog threads/posts of the last few days. I didn't think I could o.d. but right now I'm close.

Posted by: sfskin | March 5, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Been busy all day. I read alot and rarely post but i just want to shed some insight on what the Skins are doing and it seems perfectly fine to me.
First sign a rock solid MLB, hey will play for three years then probably be cut.
Sign Smoot, he may not be the best corner ever, but he plays well here and really wants to be a Skin. Plus we got him at a hometown discount.
Don't overpay for a lazy big Tackle turned guard. I don't know if we offered what the Cowboys did, but i'm glad he is not here.
Dockery got way too much money, so why pay him that much? We didn't good move in my book.
Keep the players we have, we have had limited change once in the last three years and we went to the playoffs the following year.
We control Hall, Springs, Patten, Wynn, Daniels etc... So why cut them unless we can find someone better to take the spot. If we have someone about to sign we can cut them at that instant.
I love what they have done and i hope the sign Pettigout to about 5 year 20 mill deal.
The only thing i could see that would hurt this offseason is if we cut Springs. We have the luxury of three decent corners now. We are not going to find anyone near his talent level, even if he is only here for a year. Bly will be a FA next year, we can sign him them and get rid of Springs if he gets hurt.
Please Draft A. Branch!!!!!! He can clog the middle give Griffin some rest, and take away the double teams which will only make Griff and the ends better. Plus he can play end some times and we can have him Golston and Griffin in at the same time.

Posted by: Ryan | March 5, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

i LOVE the women in Prison Break

Posted by: dealer | March 5, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

okay fine i love the men too! i'll take Tea Bag over jack bower any day!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | March 5, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

the jets used the redskins 2nd rd selection in a trade to get thomas jones from chicago

Posted by: Anonymous | March 5, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Well..it looks pretty official. Even slowpoke NFL.com is reporting it.

From the site:

"New York would surrender the second-rounder it received from Washington in a previous deal."

As always...over the last 7 years, Boy Owner makes the Skins look like fools for using their own draft picks to make other teams better and their caps tighter.

I hope this off-season taught Boy Owner something.....but I will not hold my breath over it.

Posted by: NosferatusCoffin | March 5, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

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