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Maake Kemoeatu, defensive lineman, signs with Redskins

The Washington Redskins have added an option in the middle of their defensive line, agreeing to terms this morning with free agent nose tackle Maake Kemoeatu.

Kemoeatu, who stands 6-foot-5 and weighs 345 pounds, has anchored the Carolina Panthers line since 2006, but he missed all of last season after tearing his Achilles' tendon in training camp. He has had two surgeries to repair the injury and is still rehabbing. He visited with the Redskins on Tuesday, and the two sides negotiated terms late into the night and reached an agreement this morning.

Kemoeatu is the second player from another team the Redskins have signed since free agency began last Friday

Kemoeatu agreed to a two-year contract worth $7 million. Though an exact breakdown wasn't available, it's believed relatively little of the money is guaranteed. Because he's recovering from a severe injury, the contract is loaded with workout and roster bonuses. Put simply, if
Kemoeatu heals and plays, he gets paid.

Kemoeatu's agent, Kenneth Vierra, said today that Kemoeatu wouldn't have agreed to such a deal if he wasn't confident that he'd fully recover.

"For a guy coming off an Achilles , this is a huge opportuntiy for him to rehab and play in a pretty exciting situation with Mike Shanahan, Jim Haslett and Jacob Burney," Vierra said.
Vierra said that Kemoeatu passed a physical and that his rehabilitation is on track, but he probably wouldn't be ready to hit the field before training camp.

Kemoeatu canceled visits with the Saints and Seahawks, and Vierra said he also had interest from the Jets, Vikings, Ravens and Dolphins.

Kemoeatu played his first four seasons with Baltimore on one of the league's top defenses before going to Carolina.

By Rick Maese  |  March 10, 2010; 12:06 PM ET
 
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Scooped by PFT almost 20 minutes ago :(

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fatty

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

FIRST!!!

Posted by: zap123 | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

how many years has he been in the league and what was the size of his contract?

Sounds promising if he can regain his form...

Posted by: mhartz1 | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

like it

Posted by: brian58 | March 10, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

haha, they signed a broken player. Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

get him healthy, and this is a solid move....guy was a good player when his legs were healthy...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"Maake Kemoeatu, defensive lineman, signs with Redskins"

So cross Suh and McCoy off your list as possible #4 picks.

We're back to Okung, Bradford, Claussen.

The path to the draft continues......

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

P.S.-- first to say that I like this signing if the dude heals up and returns back to form. That's a big IF though.

Let's trade our 2nd and Carlos Rogers for the Ravens' 4th and Jared Gaither!

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Looks like BA/Shanny have ALREADY bowed down to Haynesworth...

'I ain't playing no stinkin Nose Tackle'

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Scooped by PFT almost 20 minutes ago :(

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse


PFT has the advantage of not having to verify reports.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Scooped by PFT almost 20 minutes ago :(

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse


PFT has the advantage of not having to verify reports.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Except for the guy that tendered Jason Campbell with a 1st round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM

How does that invalidate what p1funk said? Or did I miss the story where team after team has invited JC for a look see? Unless people start expressing interest, I don't know that the tender says anything about JC except that he'll be here next year for cheap.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am guessing he and big al split time at NT?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

reminds me of erasmus....i forget his name.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

My bet is no more than $2/3 Mil is gaureenteed with in this 2 yr deal.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's trade our 2nd and Carlos Rogers for the Ravens' 4th and Jared Gaither

So if we break this one down, that would be the Redskins giving up a First round pick they spent on Rogers, and a 2nd round pick, for a 4th round pick and a 5th round pick, which is where I think the Ravens took Gaither in the supplemental draft....

I'm gonna go with no thanks on that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Where else besides PFT is there a good skins blog? This brings nothing to the table except the comments section basically

Posted by: zjenks | March 10, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

very curious as to the type of deal we signed him too. Anyone coming off a major injury, still not healthy almost 10 months afterwards scares me. I do remember back when this guy was playing that he is a solid NT for 3-4 front... but asking a big guy to come back from a nasty Achilles tear might be asking a lot... especially since, if i remember right, this dudes in his 30's (not sure and too lazy to google it, please someone find out how old he is)... Either way, injured or not hes still an upgrade from Fatty haynesworth in the middle who won't play half the downs anyway... (not that he isn't good when he does play, because he is... its too bad he only plays 50% of the time.)

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Great move if he stays healthy, worth a 3.5 a year.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 10, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Scooped by PFT almost 20 minutes ago :(

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse


scooped by Adam Schefter on twitter and then by me here in the comments section 30 minutes ago.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

That's what I am talking about. That's USDA prime beef that was just plugged into a big hole on the defensive line. I home his achilles tendon is healed. I suspect that's a very valuable part of the anatomy when you are playing nose tackle. Ahhhh, just give him some Romo-special nutritional supplements and that tendon will heal up just fine. He might put on a few pounds while he's taking the supplements, but he will heal up just fine...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

"Maake Kemoeatu, defensive lineman, signs with Redskins"

Beyond this signing, all I'd like to see is another vet lineman snagged.

After that, let's just wait out the draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Re: JC17

The best that the apologists can some up with is:

"Shanny is willing to let JC stay with the team for a year and compete for the starting spot"

Is that some kind of rousing endorsement?

Is that some great show of confidence?

Apparently, Shanny is also willing to let Colt Brennan stick around and compete for a spot.

I'm sure we'll have some rookie draft pick competing for the spot.

I'll bet we'll see some also-ran backup like Rex Grossman in their competing for the spot.

And so the "value" in Shanny's eyes is not the haggling price tag. It is this:

Colt Brennan, Rex Grossman, draft pick.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude is 31 and broken but we're going to pay him $3.5 million per year. I guess the new coaching staff believes Haynesworth contributes most as a DE in a 3-4.

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 10, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

just checked pft... 2 years 7 mil, and the dude is 31... so 3.5 mil per year for a guy who might not be healthy... iffy at best but we did absolutely need to upgrade the NT spot so... as ive said before beggars cant be choosers.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Why do you need two sources to confirm something posted on a blog that as many have pointed out is an opinion board? I could see for a real news article, but this blog is not that.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Next up on D: a true FS!

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 10, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes where is Atogwe. Unless your plan is to take a FS in the draft (im not complaining if we take Berry). Then he is now and will continue to be the best FS available this offseason.


Posted by: Stu27 | March 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

crazy, all the money the 'skins have shelled out is for two linemen totaling 16 mil over 5 years.

Win.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Except for the guy that tendered Jason Campbell with a 1st round pick.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:53 AM

How does that invalidate what p1funk said? Or did I miss the story where team after team has invited JC for a look see? Unless people start expressing interest, I don't know that the tender says anything about JC except that he'll be here next year for cheap.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:10 PM
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It means the same teams that desparately need a QB and who would not give Snyder a 2nd round pick, when he shopped JC last year, would still prefer to gamble on using their 1st pick, this year, on an unproven NFL prospect than a 5 year veteran like JC.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

zjenks.

RI is all about the chit chat.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 10, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

#4: LT, best safety/corner ... not Bradford or Clausen.

Montgomery has a backup.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Is his Doctor included in the deal?

Fat guy with a twice cut upon Achilles? Shouldn't be a problem. Unless, of course, he tries to play football on it.

Posted by: TheCork | March 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

in his haste to report this, didn't include age or contract details. I would have liked that. for the record still have nothing against the guy though.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

"How does that invalidate what p1funk said?

Posted by: learnedhand1"

He said no one in the NFL seems to think much of him.

Shanahan/Allen placed a 1st round tender on Jason Campbell when they could have placed a 2nd rounder or a right of first refusal on him. With either one of the alternative tenders (operating under the assumption that nobody would have legitimate interest in him) Campbell would have been a Redskin next season -- similar to how Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston, Chris Wilson, and Lorenzo Alexander will all be Redskins next year -- only at a lower price.

But they didn't do that. They placed a 1st round tender on him. Which suggests Shanahan wants Campbell here, except at the price of a 1st round draft pick.

And I don't know about you, but I think a 1st round pick is a pretty high value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

old news... maybe jreid should read the replies to his own previous post...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Kemo is nothing but a class act.. Was great with the Ravens, wish we had brought him back to Balt.

Posted by: frostanna | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"Maake Kemoeatu, defensive lineman, signs with Redskins"

Beyond this signing, all I'd like to see is another vet lineman snagged.

After that, let's just wait out the draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 12:18 PM
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I'd like to see them go into the draft with potential starters at every position that way they can just pick the best player available and believe in the scouts. One of the things I liked about what Shanny said was he was going to have "competition at every position". I took this as meaning the legitimate, potential "I could steal your job" kind of competition.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, unlike the other QBs you mentioned, JC will be competing for a starting spot. Colt and Grossman will be competing to back someone up.

There's a big difference.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly enough, or not...a quick check finds 9 WaPo Sports Blogs titled "________ Insider"...perhaps just a word the Post gives to its blogs. Marketing maybe? Maybe not? Whateves. Peeps keep clicking the page...drive that revenue stream.

Panty-bunching-up over who "breaks" it first = Power Rankings

Posted by: 4-12 | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Everyone hating on the Allen/Shanahan approach to FA is a Dan Snyder meat-rider. Wake the F up!

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully a very incentive laden contract....would hate to see them pay gauranteed money for a guy who at this point can't run....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

would still prefer to gamble on using their 1st pick, this year, on an unproven NFL prospect than a 5 year veteran like JC.
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

Since when is that new? If the skins did not have a QB, I would rather draft a QB than get a free agent or trade for one.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"I am guessing he and big al split time at NT?"

Again, we are increasing our ability to use multiple players in multiple ways by this signing.

For example, the team could go with a 4 man line of Daniels, Haynesworth, Kemoeatu, and Carter.

Or a 3 man line of Haynesworth/Daniels, Kemoeatu/Golston, and Orakpo/Carter (de).

Or: we could play a bear '46' front with Golston, Haynesworth, and Kemo filling guard tackle gaps.

We've increased our versitility and size up front, and can do more mixing and matching of players than what I've listed here.

If only our oline had it so good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

corky, how about we let him heal up, and actually play some football before we judge...or are you still worried in March who is gonna be the #2 tailback, cuz our next game is when again??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Rumor (via ESPN) is Bills will trade Lynch for a 4th rnd pick. He didn't show up last year but is young and talented enough to be a monster under a tough coach. You heard it here first that Shanny is interested.

Posted by: boozyb | March 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Colt will be in the UFL competing for a starting job come final roster moves.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a smart contract for a player that has not recovered completely. Nice job BA/MS.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM
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You can believe it is an incentive-laden contract with little to no guaranteed money. He won't make $7 million if he doesn't play. This isn't Vinny in the front office anymore. These guys know what they are doing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

And I don't know about you, but I think a 1st round pick is a pretty high value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM

Help me out on this one. Do you get a first rd pick if no one signs him? He is the starting QB for heaven's sake. You can't piss him off more than he already is by placing a low tender on him. But his value is $2M. The price of his tender.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

(what I meant)

370 pounder who can't even run should NOT be given $7mill.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like he was a very good player, but all that won't matter if his foot detaches again.

At least he won't be putting any pressure on the Achilles.

Except for his 350 lb. Plus the 600 lbs he'll be pushing against. Let's see... 1,000 lb's against that twice-cut Achilles. I love the odds here.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And I don't know about you, but I think a 1st round pick is a pretty high value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM


I my car and wanted to get rid of it, still runs fine but occasionally stalls on the freeway. I'm going to get as much as I can for it. But that's just me.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Looks like BA/Shanny have ALREADY bowed down to Haynesworth...

'I ain't playing no stinkin Nose Tackle'

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse
I disagree, 4th. I think they have recognixed that Haynie will be more disruptive from DE in 3-4 than he would be at nose.

I'm sure FO has been in touch with surgeon...Dr Andrews, and feel comfortable that he will recover. Speed is not as important to him as the ability to plant and push. Kemeoatu has a great reputation as a force in the middle. I think it's a great move.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk

At 7 million over two years that isn't bad at all.

Better to make that deal rather than one that pays a 34 year old tackle 21 million over four years.

Don't know if it's sarcasm or what, but weren't you vouching for the Clifton signing because it wasn't just only a position of need, but because 2011 will be uncapped?

See this is what I'm talking about: Consistency vs. Inconsistency

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What part of "little is believed to be guaranteed" is unclear? 2 years and 7 million if he can participate in everything. This isn't 7 million guaranteed.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | March 10, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Did they update the story or are people posting without reading the story? They don't pay him $7 mil if his injury acts up. It's no risk, except for Kemo.

Posted by: kls1 | March 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Just a random thought... what do people think about, if Mccoy or Suh drop to us, drafting them and having them play DEnd... Its not unheard of for 4-3 Dts to slide outside in a 3-4 scheme, and Mccoy especially would be solid there with his ability to penetrate the pocket. This obviously would entail Bradford going to the Rams and Okung going to either the Bucs or the Lions (both extremely possible.) With Haynesworth on 1 side, newly signed Maake Kemoeatu in the middle and either Mccoy or Suh on the other... that wouldn't be a bad dline (obviously if Kemoeatu gets healthy).

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Anyone actually read the post before commenting? The contract is barely guaranteed with most of the $7 million ceiling acheivable by roster and workout bonuses. So, it's more likely a $2 million contract over two years and if he pans out and plays, then it will be worth more. How can anyone complain about this signing? Stop trying to win the offseason championship and let Shanny and Allen build a team the right way.

Posted by: Section104 | March 10, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Goes to show you, if Allen and Shanny really want somebody, they'll go out and sign them with the quickness. Made me laugh reading comments on here before whining about not signing the likes of hall of famers Pashos and co.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

You already knew Stompy was only going to play half a season most of the time when you hired him. It makes sense to bring in a NT. I don't like the injury thing, but hopefully he can help when healthy.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 10, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Looks like BA/Shanny have ALREADY bowed down to Haynesworth...

'I ain't playing no stinkin Nose Tackle'

Posted by: 4thFloor
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Who wants Alberto playing NT? That's like, like... having L Landry playing FS instead of SS, which no one would ever do.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Rumor (via ESPN) is Bills will trade Lynch for a 4th rnd pick. He didn't show up last year but is young and talented enough to be a monster under a tough coach. You heard it here first that Shanny is interested.

Posted by: boozyb | March 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I was talking about this yesterday but most RI posts consist of how much they hate/love JC and how much they hate/love each other. How dare you try and bring something new and refreshing into the mix...

I think it's a possibility the 'skins pick up Lynch, but this guy has some downright awful off the field issues. I think Shanahan could control him though, Buffalo sure as hell couldn't.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

#4: LT, best safety/corner ... not Bradford or Clausen.

Montgomery has a backup.

Posted by: periculum | March 10, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse
No peri, I think Monty is a backup.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I was watching a program yesterday on the greatest draft day trades in history, and the one that stood out was from a legend named Bill Walsh.

Walsh has always been known as the savvy businessman on draft day, usually associated with moving high picks for multiple mid-round ones, then turning the mid-round picks into starters for his dynasty.

His best pick, however, came from a bold move in trading up.

In the 1985 draft, Walsh coveted a player by the name of Jerry Rice, and though Rice had seen his stock fall due to a slow 40 time, Walsh knew this guy was going to be a player. Walsh also knew that Rice was coveted by the franchise selecting at pick #17 in round one, so Walsh decided to unload his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks in order to move up to the #16 slot in round one (the 49ers won the SB the year before, and were picking at #28). That was a steep price to pay, but with that selection, Walsh was able to snatch what would be the greatest receiver (and arguably the greatest player) of all time.

And the team that was picking at #17? Dallas Cowboys.

Thank god for Bill Walsh.

Just thought this was an interesting tidbit.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 11:28 AM
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nice post psps23

Shanny made a pretty good deal in 2005, too.
Skins wanted to move into the 2005 1st round to get Jason Campbell...

Shanny got in return 3 picks (one in 2005 and two in 2006) Result....
Cutler,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008
Brandon Marshall,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008 and 2009
Karl Paymah,2005 pick starting CB (now with Vikes).

Skins got JC (no playoffs and 4-21 W-L in the NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk

At 7 million over two years that isn't bad at all.

Better to make that deal rather than one that pays a 34 year old tackle 21 million over four years.

Don't know if it's sarcasm or what, but weren't you vouching for the Clifton signing because it wasn't just only a position of need, but because 2011 will be uncapped?

See this is what I'm talking about: Consistency vs. Inconsistency

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse


If Chad Clifton couldn't run, and/or was otherwise coming off of a season-ending injury, then that would be inconsistent of me.

Instead he protected the blindside of a ProBowl QB on a team that went to the playoffs and was the highest rated LT on the market.

And I didn't want to give him $21mill.

Funny how some things evolve over time...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

...But his value is $2M. The price of his tender.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:31 PM

...try $3.14M.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You can believe it is an incentive-laden contract with little to no guaranteed money. He won't make $7 million if he doesn't play. This isn't Vinny in the front office anymore. These guys know what they are doing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 10, 2010 12:30 PM
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Thanks, Head. I was beginning to think that I was only one who actually READ the article above.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Recent article FYI on his chances for recovery and playing at his previous level:

One-third of NFL players with Achilles tendon injuries sidelined
January 12, 2010 Los Angeles, London, New Delhi, Singapore and Washington DC (January 12, 2010) More than a third of National Football League (NFL) players who sustained an Achilles tendon injury were never able to return to professional play according to research in the current issue of Foot & Ankle Specialist. The injured players who did return to active play averaged a 50% reduction in their power ratings.


The aim of the study was to document the epidemiology of Achilles tendon ruptures in the NFL and to quantify the impact of these injuries on player performance. Previous studies have looked at the occurrence of Achilles tendon ruptures in elite athletes in general, but very little was known about how often that type of injury occurred specifically in the NFL or how it affected the athlete's future ability to play.

Researchers looked at publicly available NFL data including websites that summarized games, statistics and injuries, to identify players who sustained complete Achilles tendon rupture. Also noted were such variables as the player's position, age, and number of years in the league prior to the injury. In addition, yearly performance statistics were collected for the players for the years before and after the injuries.

The study found that Achilles tendon ruptures can be career-altering injuries. Nearly 36% of players who sustained this injury never returned to play in the NFL and the ones who were able to return were never able to return to their pre-injury levels of play.

"This article provides a novel approach to shed light on valuable epidemiologic data for Achilles tendon ruptures among NFL players and the functional outcome of the injury," write authors Selene G. Parekh, Walter H. Wray, III, Olubusola Brimmo, Brian J. Sennett and Keith L. Wapner. "Future studies with the cooperation of the NFL and their official injury database are needed to fully evaluate the impact of Achilles injuries in this at-risk population."


More information: The article "Epidemiology and Outcomes of Achilles Tendon Ruptures in the National Football League" published in the December 2009 issue is available free for a limited time at http://fas.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/2/6/283


Provided by SAGE Publications

Posted by: northvajim2 | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

You can't pay a NT 100 mil. AH would be fine as a NT. But more disruptive as an end ala Richard Seymore.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure FO has been in touch with surgeon...Dr Andrews, and feel comfortable that he will recover. Speed is not as important to him as the ability to plant and push. Kemeoatu has a great reputation as a force in the middle. I think it's a great move.

Posted by: frediefritz
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This is certainly a good point, who needs an NT to run anyway? Worst case, we give him a really wide and long prosthetic foot, with spikes... He'll hold his position.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This signing has almost all upside and little downside - very little money guaranteed - if he plays, he gets paid bonuses, etc - and if he plays, that means he's useful and productive. If he doesn't recover, we've not invested big money. Sometimes I wonder if any of you read the seminal article in these posts.

Posted by: laserwizard | March 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"How can anyone complain about this signing? Stop trying to win the offseason championship and let Shanny and Allen build a team the right way."


The thing is, Kemo isn't even a guy who's necessary for the defense to work.

So he can play in a rotation that'll allow Prince Al to rest.

I don't see how folks are hating on this move either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 10, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I have been very vocal about getting a LT with their first pick with the exception of Suh dropping to 4th. if he is there at 4 you take him no matter what. He was the best player in college last year, is the best player in the draft this year, and plays a position that any and all teams are constantly in need of. So if he is there it is truly a no brainer.

Posted by: Stu27 | March 10, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"You can't piss him off more than he already is by placing a low tender on him."

Piss him off? If he was given the low tender, he essentially becomes an unrestricted free agent that is free to sign whatever contract he wants without the obstacle of another team having to cough up assets. Tendering a guy for a high price at a low salary is what pisses players off. Just look at Rogers', and to a lesser extent, Campbell's own comments. Neither are happy with being tendered at a price that makes them nearly impossible to move.

Which, of course, is why Shanahan and Allen did it in the first place. So that they stay Redskins.

You really think the reason he was tendered at a 1st round draft pick was because Shanahan and Allen want to boost his morale? Really? If that's the case, why not a 1st and 3rd? If he's not going to garner interest at a 1st round pick, might as well go all out on the morale ticket and really boost his ego. After all, it's only about a $300k bump in salary.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

reminds me of erasmus....i forget his name.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 10, 2010 12:14 PM

Not Erasmus James. This is more like Phillip Daniels. James never amounted anything prior to his injuries. Dropping the weight should help the recovery. Still, if he isn't a go till camp, that is not the best time to 'start' the heavy lifting.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Shanny got in return 3 picks (one in 2005 and two in 2006) Result....
Cutler,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008
Brandon Marshall,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008 and 2009
Karl Paymah,2005 pick starting CB (now with Vikes).

Skins got JC (no playoffs and 4-21 W-L in the NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM


Say, what's Cutler's W-L and playoff record against the weaker competition?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

crazy, all the money the 'skins have shelled out is for two linemen totaling 16 mil over 5 years.

Win.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 12:21 PM

It's all about the gaurreenteed money.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Maake Kemoeatu, defensive lineman, signs with Redskins"

So cross Suh and McCoy off your list as possible #4 picks.

We're back to Okung, Bradford, Claussen.

The path to the draft continues......

Posted by: MistaMoe

I wouldn't cross off those guys...just cause he was signed doesn't mean he'll make the team...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

NFL players do recover from achilles injury. But you have to come back slowly.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

And I don't know about you, but I think a 1st round pick is a pretty high value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM


Not as high as a multi-year contract extension.

Seriously, it's mind-boggling how foolish this discussion gets. It's not like Shanny's hands were tied and his "only" option was to give JC17 an RFA tender.

Virtually all the "starting" caliber players out there consider an RFA tender (even one on the higher end) to be a low-ball move that shows little appreciation for what they can give to a team.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse
Workout and roster bonuses mean he won't get paid if he can't run. So he won't cost us much, unless he makes the team. Good news is that about 8 other teams were interested in him, but we jumped in with a signed contract. Smart!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The skins are taking a calculated risk with this signing. He won't get paid if he can't get on the field.

The downside is that if he can't get on the field, Albert will have to be a NT and, thus, will be disgruntled again.

I would like to keep Albert as gruntled as possible so let's hope Hakunamatata can get on the field and stay there.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

P.S.-- first to say that I like this signing if the dude heals up and returns back to form. That's a big IF though.

Let's trade our 2nd and Carlos Rogers for the Ravens' 4th and Jared Gaither!

Posted by: TDawg1 | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM

Please read your own post again, then again, and again; sleep on it, wake up and think, then re-post.

Posted by: abxinc | March 10, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Who wants Alberto playing NT? That's like, like... having L Landry playing FS instead of SS, which no one would ever do.

Oh wait...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree, why on earth would you want your best pass rusher to eat space and clog up run lanes? Let this true NT plug 2 gaps and free Big Al. You paid Big Al to make plays.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"... The injured players who did return to active play averaged a 50% reduction in their power ratings. ..."

Posted by: northvajim2 | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM

Power ratings = power rankings

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

With all of the money we have dumped and wasted on aging vets and busts- how can we complain about 7 mil for 2 years for a NT (and a good one at that) that is coming off an injury? Snyder has wasted millions more than this if it doesn't work out. This is chump change for him. Its a win-win.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I had the weirdest dream last night. The FO was in a quandary over their QB situation for 2010 because no one knew how they would replace Heath Shuler, who retired from the Skins in February following a 16-year, certain first-ballot HOF career featuring four Super Bowl MVP awards.

Then I woke up seriously hoping we take Okung at #4 (unless he’s gone, of course).

Posted by: closer44 | March 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Goes to show you, if Allen and Shanny really want somebody, they'll go out and sign them with the quickness. Made me laugh reading comments on here before whining about not signing the likes of hall of famers Pashos and co.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 10, 2010 12:39 PM
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there are alot of 350 pound people with twice operated achilles tendons riding scooters at the Mall...
I am sure its a "no play - no pay" Contract but you hate to see him take up the limited space of a preseason roster if he and his achilles dont make the cut.
An achilles injury is one of the hardest injuries to recover from fully in football, especially for extremely heavy players.
I have heard one snap before on the field.. it sounded like a gunshot.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

He said no one in the NFL seems to think much of him.

Shanahan/Allen placed a 1st round tender on Jason Campbell when they could have placed a 2nd rounder or a right of first refusal on him. With either one of the alternative tenders (operating under the assumption that nobody would have legitimate interest in him) Campbell would have been a Redskin next season -- similar to how Rocky McIntosh, Kedrick Golston, Chris Wilson, and Lorenzo Alexander will all be Redskins next year -- only at a lower price.

But they didn't do that. They placed a 1st round tender on him. Which suggests Shanahan wants Campbell here, except at the price of a 1st round draft pick.

And I don't know about you, but I think a 1st round pick is a pretty high value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:24 PM


Because if he's going to be on your team this year, you want him to be happy and not hold out. Plus, you did get him in the 1st round. And options could be limited depending on what happens in the draft. They won't let JC go unless they get a 1st (or negtiated pick/player in a trade) because he is in their options at the moment until they see how the rest of the offseason play out.

The Broncos placed a 1st round Tendor on BMArshall, just like JC, and they want someone to sign him to an offer sheet so they can get that headache off of them and pocket a 1st rounder.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Suh will not drop to us. I just dont believe teams will take mccoy over him. Mccoy is solid, but Suh is ridiculous. I wonder if people have seen tihs statistic...
"how about a statistical comparison between the draft's top defensive tackles over the last two seasons? Tackles: Suh - 161; Gerald McCoy - 64. Sacks: Suh - 19.5; McCoy - 12.5. Tackles for loss: Suh - 43; McCoy - 26.5. Yeah, McCoy was double teamed. So was Suh. Nebraska also uses a read-and-react system in which Suh's primary task was to keep action in front of him rather than knife up field. McCoy has always been a pure gap shooter. Clearly, Suh is the more productive player with better run-stopping ability. He would be an ideal pickup for Tampa Bay's league-worst run defense."

Thats a drastic difference, scheme or not.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The closer analogy to Erasmus James would be Anthony Montgomery. Anthony Montgomery has become Erasmus James without the injury.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Count me as someone who does NOT like this signing.

370 pounders who can't even run should be given $7 million.

Sorry, Shallen hard to give the benefit of the doubt on this one...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 12:26 PM

Why would you need a nose tackle to run, in fact, his main job is to be immovable and clog the middle, thereby making running to backs to bounce to the right or left where Mr Albert and Osakpo will be waiting.

Posted by: abxinc | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like BA/Shanny have ALREADY bowed down to Haynesworth...

'I ain't playing no stinkin Nose Tackle'

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse
I disagree, 4th. I think they have recognixed that Haynie will be more disruptive from DE in 3-4 than he would be at nose.

I'm sure FO has been in touch with surgeon...Dr Andrews, and feel comfortable that he will recover. Speed is not as important to him as the ability to plant and push. Kemeoatu has a great reputation as a force in the middle. I think it's a great move.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 12:33 PM

What I am saying is meshing with your statemnet.

This guy is coming in to play nose....so Haynesworth doesn't have to.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:44 PM

Now you're backtracking. First, you say (essentially) that they tendered him because they would get a 1st rd pick. Now you say they did it so that he will be on the team next year. Which is it? My point is the 1st rd tender does not equal his value. It actually shows that he's not worth a 1st rdr because the team (as you apparently concede) knew no one would sign him with a first rd tender on him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Per ESPN, Larry Johnson has a visit scheduled w/ the skins. WAS a beast but fell waaay off the radar w/ the Bengals. Dude has some character issues but overall he's been a baller and if I can recall fairly healthy?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4982457

Posted by: overzealous08 | March 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell will be a starting QB next year, if not here, then somewhere else. The blahblahblah about Jason Campbell has a distinctly Antonio Pierce feel to it. The consensus seems to be that the Skins need to upgrade the offensive line. I think the meme is LINE LINE LINE. Yet behind the existing line, Campbell had has best season of his career and the Skins had a ton of games lost by six points or less. The continuous drum beat about it is starting to smack of raciness.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Browns shopping Brady Quinn
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2010 12:46 PM ET
Cleveland Browns front office boss Mike Holmgren has already made changes at the quarterback position, and he's not done yet.

Adam Schefter of ESPN is reporting that the Browns have offered quarterback Brady Quinn in trade talks with other teams.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 10, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

That $7M is based on things like Kemoeatu playing all 16 games and getting a certain number of tackles etc.

This move is low risk and is one of those where the player has a very good chance of making it back and being a solid contributor.

The upside? Kemoeatu was one of the best NTs in the game until he was hurt.

We gave up no draft pick compensation to get him.

In previous years I remember folks talking about giving up #5 or #6 picks for oft-injured wide receivers or offensive linemen as a 'flyer'.

Seems to me those folks should like this move quite a bit.


Posted by: leopard09 | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Not as high as a multi-year contract extension."

Who said Shanahan views Campbell as his franchise QB?

All we said is that he's valued at the price he was tendered for, which was a first round pick. If Shanahan deemed a 2nd round pick enough in trade value for Campbell, he would have tendered him at a 2nd round level, and hoped another team snatched him up. Especially if he was certain that Campbell wasn't the 'solution'.

And if Campbell is already feeling slapped in the face by a 1st round tender, what difference does it make if he was tendered for a second rounder?

The more likely explanation is that Shanahan sees Campbell as a possibility for the future and is hesitant to give him up for much less than a 1st round pick. Hence the tender.

Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I am not one of the many unemployed NFL GMs and Coaches who post here so as a Fan let me make sense of this. Skins are trying to switch to a 3-4. So they sign a guy who has played the NT at a high level in the past, he isn't a splashy name so this is a GM/Coach decision, probably had his medical file and he will have to take a physical to make the contract legit. Then we presume that it is a "typical" NFL contract, meaning that it is not guaranteed. 7 Mil for 2 years will seem like a deal if it works out and if it doesn't will probably have a minor impact on the 2011 Cap.

Onto the normal fan debate. Derek Anderson is being lauded by many TV analysts, he has a big arm, is 2 yrs younger than JC, more mobile than JC, and has made the probowl. JC has been tendered a 1 year offer. Ok, so why not sign Anderson (Conditioned on the "uncapped year" can be used to minimize the cap effect after 2010) and have open competition for the starting QB. Then instead of drafting Sam Bradford (The U destroyed him 2x in his career) or Tebow or any other big name QB look lower and draft for depth at the line. Trade Colt for a future third round pick. Doubt there is a Brady type pick out there but maybe there is and both of those QBs are more than serviceable for the next few years.

Just a fan thinking out loud.

Posted by: Hank4 | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Shanny got in return 3 picks (one in 2005 and two in 2006) Result....
Cutler,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008
Brandon Marshall,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008 and 2009
Karl Paymah,2005 pick starting CB (now with Vikes).

Skins got JC (no playoffs and 4-21 W-L in the NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM


Say, what's Cutler's W-L and playoff record against the weaker competition?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 12:45 PM
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you're kidding right??
I know what it is, now, about you and JC..
You're stuck with 900 Jason Campbell Redskins Jerseys that you still cant sell on EBay.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Recent article FYI on his chances for recovery and playing at his previous level:

One-third of NFL players with Achilles tendon injuries sidelined
January 12, 2010 Los Angeles, London, New Delhi, Singapore and Washington DC (January 12, 2010) More than a third of National Football League (NFL) players who sustained an Achilles tendon injury were never able to return to professional play according to research in the current issue of Foot & Ankle Specialist. The injured players who did return to active play averaged a 50% reduction in their power ratings.


The aim of the study was to document the epidemiology of Achilles tendon ruptures in the NFL and to quantify the impact of these injuries on player performance. Previous studies have looked at the occurrence of Achilles tendon ruptures in elite athletes in general, but very little was known about how often that type of injury occurred specifically in the NFL or how it affected the athlete's future ability to play.

Researchers looked at publicly available NFL data including websites that summarized games, statistics and injuries, to identify players who sustained complete Achilles tendon rupture. Also noted were such variables as the player's position, age, and number of years in the league prior to the injury. In addition, yearly performance statistics were collected for the players for the years before and after the injuries.

The study found that Achilles tendon ruptures can be career-altering injuries. Nearly 36% of players who sustained this injury never returned to play in the NFL and the ones who were able to return were never able to return to their pre-injury levels of play.

"This article provides a novel approach to shed light on valuable epidemiologic data for Achilles tendon ruptures among NFL players and the functional outcome of the injury," write authors Selene G. Parekh, Walter H. Wray, III, Olubusola Brimmo, Brian J. Sennett and Keith L. Wapner. "Future studies with the cooperation of the NFL and their official injury database are needed to fully evaluate the impact of Achilles injuries in this at-risk population."


More information: The article "Epidemiology and Outcomes of Achilles Tendon Ruptures in the National Football League" published in the December 2009 issue is available free for a limited time at http://fas.sagepub.com/cgi/reprint/2/6/283


Provided by SAGE Publications


Posted by: northvajim2 | March 10, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hell of an article. Nice find.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Good signing. A true NT to rotate with Monty. If he doesn't fully recover, you cut him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 10, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems like a good signing to me. The contract pays out if he plays, and this guy has a very good resume as a NT.

There really isn't much to lose here, I'm not sure why anyone would be against a signing like this.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 10, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I don't think anybody should expect him to be what he was in Baltimore. It's a risk at best. Still, the team needs somebody to play thirty or forty percent of the snaps at NT, and he might be able to do just that.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 10, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Seems like a good signing to me. The contract pays out if he plays, and this guy has a very good resume as a NT.

There really isn't much to lose here, I'm not sure why anyone would be against a signing like this.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 10, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse


I've not read about the structure of the contract, but if it is tied to playing time/health, then I agree that it is a smart contract with good player potential.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"Put simply, if Kemoeatu heals and plays, he gets paid."

Great move. Keep bolstering those lines!

Posted by: Tank2 | March 10, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I have heard one snap before on the field.. it sounded like a gunshot.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM
__________________

Happened to me playing bball 2 years ago... FELT like a gunshot.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, Let me help you out.

Jay Cutler has never been to the playoffs and is 24-29 overall. This is not about defending Campbell, this is about you using a silly statistic to judge QB performance.

You make excuses for Campbell's relatively good statistics, and then try to use his W-L record as a defining statitistic. Why not talk about INTs? Cutler had 26 last year... or is that a bean counter thing?

It's still a team game.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Not as high as a multi-year contract extension."


Who said Shanahan views Campbell as his franchise QB?


Posted by: psps23 | March 10, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse


The guy who started posting stats comparing JC to Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb.

Which was the trigger for my response.

JC is a mediocre QB. That's it. I find it mind-boggling when people start talking about him in the same collection of thoughts along with Manning and McNabb.

Reasonable people shouldn't do that, unless the thoughts being expressed are something like:

"It would be dumb to try to compare JC17 to Manning and McNabb."

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like alot of the contract is based on incentives...so if he does fall apart, the downside may not be that bad.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | March 10, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I've not read about the structure of the contract, but if it is tied to playing time/health, then I agree that it is a smart contract with good player potential.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:03 PM |

If you read the post above you would have known this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

NO TEAM WOULD TRADE A 5TH ROUNDER FOR COLT BRENNAN... LET ALONE A FUTURE 3RD. any fan who loves colt really does not understand football... he is a brett farve type qb without the ability... in other words a brash young punk who is wayyy to into himself and yet cannot back it up. Period. No argument any other way is even remotely possible. he sucks. period. please stop bringing him up ever. he will never progress and will never be more than a 3rd string qb on a team with qbs like jason cambell and todd collins.... enough said.


Moving on to actual topics... people this really is a no lose situation. Kemoeatu isn't expected to be the next Vince Wilfork here, but simply a guy to come in, play for a few years while we look for our FUTURE NT. If he comes back at 2/3 of what he was, we will be fine. Mind you, if he doesn't our D will struggle, but to be honest, switching to a 3-4 is going to be difficult and were going to struggle anyway, and its not like were going anywhere this year.... If he comes back healthy its a steal at 3.5 mil a year and if hes not healthy he wont make the 3.5 mil and it wont matter... Nice work FO (wow first time i've said that, and meant it, in I do not know how long)...

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of the "dump off" excuse used to complain about campbell. The guy had as many passes for over 40 yards last season as Payton Manning, tied at 12th in that category and had 40 passes for 20+ yards (just under Kurt Warner). Not saying he did great, but its not like the team had no passes that went down field.

The long ball is dependent on so much more working correctly than just the QB play. You need blocking, a WR to go down field and get open just as much as you need a accurate QB. McNabb is probably one of the most inaccurate QB's in the NFL but now that he has two fast WR's that can get a 10 yard buffer zone on a streak rout he suddenly is making the long passes look easy.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd be tired of the dump-off argument as well if it weren't true. While anybody can pull up some NFL.com statistics and see he has "40 passes for 20+ yards", do a little more research and find out that he only had 17 plays total where the catch was made 20 yards from the line of scrimmage. His completion percentage for those plays was 36% with a yards per attempt of just 13 yards.

He also gained basically as many yards on those throws (615) as he did on plays that started from catches made behind the line of scrimmage (576).

The "dump off" argument originates in the fact that 85% of his completions and 69% of his attempts were directed at receivers behind or within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. It also originates in the fact that his completion percentage is 80% in that range and drops off to 47% beyond that.

The argument is also based on the fact that the major stats used to claim JC's "improvement" are increased yards and completion percentage, both of which (67% of yards and 84% of completions) are significantly inflated by short, "dump off" passes.

As for why JC gets compared to Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb? Well let's see, one's a perennial winner and the other we have to play twice a year. Or perhaps it's because that's the level of play we'd all love to see in a quarterback here in Washington. I guess we could make comparisons with Eli Manning and Tony Romo as well, but he would fare about as poorly. Instead, let's compare JC with Jamarcus Russell and David Garrard, because that's obviously the direction we want the Skins to take.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If you read the post above you would have known this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why read post when you can just start a JC flame war every day. I mean that never gets old. JReid should just submit a new JC thread everyday. I love reading the same exact BS JC comments everyday. It's not Redskins Insider, it's JC debate.com.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

PFT: Larry Johnson visiting Skins tomorrow...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | March 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I've not read about the structure of the contract, but if it is tied to playing time/health, then I agree that it is a smart contract with good player potential.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:03 PM |

If you read the post above you would have known this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


Who's post...JReid's?

Do people actually read those?

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Real Redskins blog? Actual insight? Scoops? Late breaking info?

http://www.hogshaven.com

Posted by: KellRawLive | March 10, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

really, they're bringing LJ in?? Cat seemed more done than portis did last year....due dilligence and all, but I doubt it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Why read post when you can just start a JC flame war every day. I mean that never gets old. JReid should just submit a new JC thread everyday. I love reading the same exact BS JC comments everyday. It's not Redskins Insider, it's JC debate.com.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Right, PA. Naughty us. Thanks for the scolding.

You are so above the JC debate...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Trade Colt for a future third round pick."

Hillarious!

Posted by: Skins281 | March 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"The "dump off" argument originates in the fact that 85% of his completions and 69% of his attempts were directed at receivers behind or within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage. It also originates in the fact that his completion percentage is 80% in that range and drops off to 47% beyond that."


You do realize that his yards per attempt were greatly influenced by the routes his wrs ran right? If we didn't have a wr going farther than 10 yards, how can he throw the ball farther than 10 yards? Piggybacking on this point... if our oline couldnt give him the protection needed to let the wrs run routes longer than 10 yards, why would the OC/ Zorn call plays that call for routes longer than 10 yards, thus influence the length Jason could throw the ball....

While I am glad you can look up stats, remember to put those stats into context. I am not saying campbell is awesome, or the answer or anything... just saying that this "dump down argument" on campbell is retarded... and bothersome because it does not include in there the fact that he had, maybe, 2 seconds, on most plays to throw the ball and as ZORN HIMSELF said on multiple occasions, (good or bad) he stopped calling plays that had wrs running routes longer than 10-15 yards...

Remember, stats are good, research is good... but put it into the context of the season before you spout off as an expert... otherwise you seem retarded, ignorant and simply aruging out of spite and hate... Campbell isn't great but he certainly is not our biggest problem.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

You are so above the JC debate...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

THE JC debate? Which one? The one you started today? Yesterday? How about the one you've been starting every day since he got tendered? Yeah, I'm above that one.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If you read the post above you would have known this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 10, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why read post when you can just start a JC flame war every day. I mean that never gets old. JReid should just submit a new JC thread everyday. I love reading the same exact BS JC comments everyday. It's not Redskins Insider, it's JC debate.com.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 1:11 PM |

What do these two post have to do w/each other? Follow the conversation PA.

And you are one of the biggest proponents to the JC debate. Please.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Willie Parker Larry Johnson
5' 10" 6' 1"
209# 230
age 29 30
1253 career carries 1421
4.3 yd per carry 4.4
697 career receptions 1373
8.3 yd per reception 8.9
17 career fumbles 15

I'd be happy with either one of these guys as a backup. I like LJ's reception #'s, but I'm a little worried about attitude problems. He seemed like a level head, coming out of PSU, but had problems at KC.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

really, they're bringing LJ in?? Cat seemed more done than portis did last year....due dilligence and all, but I doubt it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 10, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse


I wonder if anyone's told LJ about that new gay-marriage law passed in the District...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hope this works out, but we had an Pro Bowl ORT who blew out an achilles twice..

Posted by: frak | March 10, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM, Let me help you out.

Jay Cutler has never been to the playoffs and is 24-29 overall. This is not about defending Campbell, this is about you using a silly statistic to judge QB performance.

You make excuses for Campbell's relatively good statistics, and then try to use his W-L record as a defining statitistic. Why not talk about INTs? Cutler had 26 last year... or is that a bean counter thing?

It's still a team game.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 10, 2010 1:06 PM
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nice try...
Your post was out of context.. I was referring to the net result of the Trade Shanahan did with our Front Office in 2005. I never gave any stats on Cutler other than his Pro-Bowl appearance in 2008 with Denver. Yeah Cutler had a pretty poor INT record last year in a new system.. But, he is many heads above JC as an NFL QB.
No one has seen JC at a ProBowl lately.
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The Post you're responding to.. (I think?)

Shanny got in return 3 picks (one in 2005 and two in 2006) Result....
Cutler,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008
Brandon Marshall,2006 pick Pro-Bowl 2008 and 2009
Karl Paymah,2005 pick starting CB (now with Vikes).

Skins got JC (no playoffs and 4-21 W-L in the NFC East).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:40 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Screw Larry "I'm Cakin" Johnson. Guy is an disruptive ass

Posted by: Skins281 | March 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

This guy has experience that he can pass along as well as be servicable as starter or back up NT. I think they will still draft a NT and let this guy train him..I'm thinking Mt. Cody, Dan Williams or Cam Thomas watch out for those names in the 2nd round. your heard it hear first.

Posted by: hammer4 | March 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Seriously. I don't think PA sees the irony.

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Why would you need a nose tackle to run, in fact, his main job is to be immovable and clog the middle, ...

Posted by: abxinc | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM

Agreed. At NT, we need constipation, not the runs.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, guaranteed $$$ aside, I can't help but wonder why you would give $7 million/2 years for a 31 year old coming off a devastating injury who hasn't played in over a year, but $10 million/3 years is too much for a 27 year old starting RG (Pashos)?

I can't pretend to understand that, but I hope they know what they are doing.

Posted by: McMetal | March 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

It's not Redskins Insider, it's JC debate.com.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


Oh there is more...


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redskinsinisder/DanSnyderSucks.com

redskinsinsider/IHateObama.com (scampbell1975' favorite site; 2nd favorite is ImAHypocriticalAssjockeyWhoCriesLikeALittleBi-itchWhenConfrontedAboutIt/scampbell.com)

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Why would you need a nose tackle to run, in fact, his main job is to be immovable and clog the middle, ...

Posted by: abxinc | March 10, 2010 12:55 PM


It would be nice if he could get on and off the field...

Posted by: p1funk | March 10, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

And you are one of the biggest proponents to the JC debate. Please.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 10, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I gave up on that about a month ago. I'm sick to death of it and so is everyone else. In fact I am now the proud proponent of the JC debate debate. Yeah, how bout them apples.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 10, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Good signing. A true NT to rotate with Monty. If he doesn't fully recover, you cut him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 10, 2010 1:00 PM

Why would cutting Montgomery have anything to do with Kemo not completely recovering?

I think the jury is still "in" on Montgomery ... and he's not very good.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

www.redskinsinsider/TradeMossForAThirdAndASecond.com

www.redskinsinsider/TradeCooleyAndPortisForAFirstAndASecond

Posted by: RedDMV | March 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that his yards per attempt were greatly influenced by the routes his wrs ran right? If we didn't have a wr going farther than 10 yards, how can he throw the ball farther than 10 yards? Piggybacking on this point... if our oline couldnt give him the protection needed to let the wrs run routes longer than 10 yards, why would the OC/ Zorn call plays that call for routes longer than 10 yards, thus influence the length Jason could throw the ball....
Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | March 10, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The post that you refer to was by no means an argument that there was sufficient time to throw or that we ran a large number of downfield plays. (Although it does still stand that when he did target a receiver >20yds, his completion percentage was ~36%)

The point was that the "dump off" argument was supported by JC's actual statistics when viewing more than "plays >20yds" or "plays >40yds", either through his own personal play or as a victim of circumstance. Just saying, don't necessarily look at yardage and completion % going up as a sign of improvement, especially when there's quite a bit of evidence to point to the contrary.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 10, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The closer analogy to Erasmus James would be Anthony Montgomery. Anthony Montgomery has become Erasmus James without the injury.

Posted by: dcsween | March 10, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

No I don't think you can make that comparison because James was a 1st rounder where Montgomery was a 5th or 6th rounder I believe. If Montgomery ended his career right now it has already been a sucess in comparison. That being said, Montgomery will either perform or be gone under the current regime.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | March 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I am sure its a "no play - no pay" Contract but you hate to see him take up the limited space of a preseason roster if he and his achilles dont make the cut.
An achilles injury is one of the hardest injuries to recover from fully in football, especially for extremely heavy players.
I have heard one snap before on the field.. it sounded like a gunshot.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Limited space of a preseason roster?" A lot of those guys are just warm bodies who have no real chance of making the team, and whose function is to protect the guys who will make the team from fatigue and injury by taking up training camp "reps."

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 10, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

So what's the deal? Fat Albert plays along side on a 3 man front?

And who is number 3 on the front line?

Posted by: Jaymand | March 10, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This free agent market is VERY THIN...

Get rid of the dead weight-CHECK!

Plug holes this year with one or year contracts-CHECK!

Improve with youth (trades and mostly the draft) and get this team where it needs to be-STILL WAITING HERE BUT ANTICIPATING SOME MOVES AND A STRONG DRAFT!

Keep up the good work Bruce/Shanny!

Posted by: dglelite | March 10, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

JC stuff again? Whatever. He is not remotely our biggest problem, and in fact his performance is directly affected by what IS our biggest problem.

Hoping the Skins stay away from a QB for another year, and let him handle the position next year under the new coach/management.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | March 10, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree - even though I'm no JC fan, there doesn't appear to be any future halloffame qb's in this years draft. Probably better to hold off a year. JC has experience and while he may not win that many games for us - he won't lose them, usually.

Posted by: Jaymand | March 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I think some of you just glance at the article and then comment.

The $7 million is not guaranteed.

No play, no pay.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 10, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Why do this deal when we could have gone with R Wynn :) Was this player ever any good?

On a serious note, a good sign. Even with a 3-4 we need fresh bodies to rotate on the defensive line.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 10, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Skins have any interest in the 28 year old guard cut from the Colts?

Posted by: coparker5 | March 10, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4979079

5. Moves in the first days of free agency point out where teams are likely to head in the draft: By signing Robbins and adding him to a three-tackle rotation, the Rams continue to show they are likely to take Sam Bradford with the first pick in the draft. They signed Feeley to be a bridge quarterback and may look to add another veteran, but Bradford seems to be the likely choice by the way the Rams are operating. The Lions are pointing to the selection of Nebraska defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh by picking up Kyle Vanden Bosch at defensive end and Corey Williams at defensive tackle. Why Suh over Gerald McCoy? First, Vanden Bosch went to Nebraska, Suh's school. Second, the Lions don't need as much pass-rush push out of a first-round tackle because they can use Williams at the three-technique. That would leave McCoy to go to the Bucs, and the Redskins, who have the fourth pick, to select between tackle Russell Okung and quarterback Jimmy Clausen.

So according to Clayton:

Stl – Bradford
Det – Suh
TB – McCoy – I wouldn’t be surprised if they went Okung though
Wash – Okung or Claussen

Posted by: skinswest | March 10, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

More and more experts are makeing this statement about todays NFL. "QB driven league" which means if you don't have an above average QB or franchise QB you will not succeed. Therefore you cannot pass up the chance of getting one in the draft. Injury or no injury, the secret is out. Bradford is pretty good. Look for us to make the big splash in the draft. Because he's so close to obtaining. Though Okung wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This is a low risk signing based on the salary structure. If he heals and can play, then it's a great move. If not, then they gave it a shot but aren't banking on him.

No problems with this at all.

Posted by: kahlua87 | March 10, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I come back from lunch with this thought, if people thought that I was saying that because Campbell had as many passes for over 40 yards as Manning that he was some how = to manning. You need to learn how to read.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Also I love how the number of passes under 10 yards seems to go up ever few hours, its now at 85%, it originally was at 77%

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ok the team is addressing the line...errr the WRONG LINE!!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | March 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok the team is addressing the line...errr the WRONG LINE!!!!

Posted by: jtrob_1 | March 10, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought the bottom line was the one we wanted to address?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Also I love how the number of passes under 10 yards seems to go up ever few hours, its now at 85%, it originally was at 77%

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Complete passes for a gain under 10 yards (77%) and percent of completions by a receiver within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage (85%) are not the same statistic.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 10, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Complete passes for a gain under 10 yards (77%) and percent of completions by a receiver within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage (85%) are not the same statistic.

Posted by: CecIVC | March 10, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Where did you get the 85% number? I remember Collins-worth saying that Campbell had 77% for receiver within 10 yards of the LOS.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

FYI when you half ignore spell check Collinsworth becomes Collins-worth

Posted by: alex35332 | March 10, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

345 lbs. on an injured Achilles that required two surgeries. I think he provides an incentive to Haynesworth to get his act together-- but I do not expect Kemoeatu to contribute. Note the incentives heavy contract.

Posted by: hz9604 | March 10, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Did they update the story or are people posting without reading the story? They don't pay him $7 mil if his injury acts up. It's no risk, except for Kemo.
Posted by: kls1

KLS-
If you've read these blogs closely you have seen that many of the people can't or don't read. Frequently they attack J. Reid and he hasn't even written the article they are attacking him for. Many idiots on here.

This is agood signing as far as risk to reward. If the guy plays and is a force he gets paid. If he doesn't... he doesn't. More evidence that the FO knows what they are doing.

Posted by: RedskinsNow | March 10, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Another lineman. Great that Redskins going back to old times: building the team on quality lines (O and D).

Posted by: OlSkl | March 10, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

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