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Malcolm Kelly Might Get Scoped

Rookie WR Malcolm Kelly is in Birmingham being evaluated by Dr. James Andrews and may need to have arthroscopic knee surgery, Coach Jim Zorn said. Kelly had a hamstring injury and, in recovering from that, began to feel some stiffness in his knees.

Zorn said Kelly was being evaluated while the coach was speaking to the media, and an update is forthcoming. Either way, it does not appear that Kelly will be practicing soon, and could miss Saturday's game regardless.

Devin Thomas, the other second-round WR, will not be ready to practice fully this week, Zorn said, still bothered by a hamstring injury he suffered in the first week of camp. Should both of them miss another few weeks then the odds of them being involved much in the Week 1 offense start to dwindle.

Zorn has spoke candidly about how difficult it can be for young WRs to learn this offense, and all of its nuances.

We'll post an update when we get it.

I've got a webchat to do on Washingtonpost.com right now, but will get some other stuff from Zorn's presser on the blog later.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 4, 2008; 12:58 PM ET
 
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Comments

dang it

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Not Good...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | August 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

My dad once told me, don't do a job if you don't love what you do. I may not make the best living right now $ wise but I am otherwise happy.

Posted by: 35332 | August 4, 2008 1:08 PM

Keep your Dad away from your GF

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

With Kelly's history of knee problems, the Skins knew what they were getting. His chances of contributing at all this season are slowly spiraling down the toilet like a big brown turd with a cute little toilet paper hat on top.

Posted by: Sam Slam | August 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Keep your Dad away from your GF

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:10 PM

You know that was wrong. lol

Posted by: jm220 | August 4, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

That is not encouraging. Dang-it!!!

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Kelly and Thomas will not have 500 yards receiving or 4 touchdowns between the two of them this season.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

oh, and cue up the "I told you so's" from various members, who'll just use this as an opportunity to mmqb something that happened 4 months ago.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

lol@zeke...alex, zeke got you bad.

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

F the staff

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

All along, I said I liked the Spaghetti Gang getting 2 big WRs in the draft, which gives you a pretty good chance at getting 1 good one.

Hope Kelly recovers fully, from the posters who saw him, I was feeling pretty optimistic.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Keep your Dad away from your GF

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:10 PM
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Also keep her away from everyones NADS.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

What is it with hamstring injuries and this team?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Whats involved in a scope again?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'll scope his knee with that colon shank if he doesn't get on the field!

Posted by: Prison Balls | August 4, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Len Pasquarelli went into the HOF also this w/e?

Iscicles forming in hell?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What is it with hamstring injuries and this team?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 1:17 PM

Its a big Hogs ham conspericy.

Posted by: 35332 | August 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What is it with hamstring injuries and this team?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 4, 2008 1:17 PM

Its a big Hogs ham conspericy.

Posted by: 35332 | August 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

"Malcolm Kelly Might Get Scoped"

At least it's not a COLONscopy

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Alex, they go in with a camera through a tiny incision, if you can even call it that, and look around. If they see something they don't like or that looks troublesome, they usually cut it out. The holes they use/make for this type of surgery are tiny, less than a quarter of an inch, in most cases.

I'm not a Dr. but I play one on tv, and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night as well.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

When I first read this, I thought it said "Malcolm Kelly Might Get ScoOped" and I thought, what paper is he writing for and is Jasno competing with him, too?

Posted by: What Who? | August 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

greg, i never say "i told you so"...but i will be frustrated, kinda though i should just expect it now, if the offense isn't doing well, their top draft picks(multiple) are riding the bench or injured and they're hurting majorly in other areas such as the o-line, safety position. and THEN you'll hear from people like jalaca (since he's the only local media member snyder hasn't bought...yet) bringing up the ravens FO comparisons.

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

On Pasquerelli getting into the Hall ... ick.

Gotta say, the players that get into the Hall, very few are bad calls. On the media side ... lots of questionable calls.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Kelly and Thomas will not have 500 yards receiving or 4 touchdowns between the two of them this season.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:13 PM

oh, and cue up the "I told you so's" from various members, who'll just use this as an opportunity to mmqb something that happened 4 months ago.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:14 PM

No "I told you so" from me. I just don't see Kelly and Thomas contributing much this season.

I do expect big things from Fred Davis, though. I could see his production being greater than the combined production of our other two rookie pass catchers.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

+++ cue up the "I told you so's" from various members

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:14 PM+++

skins have continued gift at mining the lower rounds for value (Horton, Richardson, Brooks, Brennan) and finding TEs (Cooley, Davis) but are in danger of adding to the futility of picking WRs in upper rounds.

Remember, the LAST good pick in that category was inducted into the HOF this weekend, MONK in 1980!

The guys to compare Thomas and Kelly's careers to are Jordy Nelson and Limas Sweed, two big WRs they could have had instead.

NOT saying I Tole you so...but keeping the option open.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 4, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Not much too add to the conversation re last nights game.

I will make this observation/assumption after reading the comments over the last several threads:

d-bag = T_E

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The guys to compare Thomas and Kelly's careers to are Jordy Nelson and Limas Sweed, two big WRs they could have had instead.
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Agree 100% with this.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Love big target WRs. The possession guys may not have high yards per catch, but they are absolutely crucial to winning. Monk remains the prototype and no one ever did it better.

Bringing in Kelly and Thomas was a good move (and I'm not a big fan of the Spaghetti Gang, as most of you know). If you can get one big target guy to go along with Cooley, this team will be much better.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

In general, WRs can have some impact as rookies, but need 2-3 seasons to get to their potential.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

scoped nads

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

ouch...that sounds really painful.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

so do we expect much out of Thomas/Kelly this year?

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Not much too add to the conversation re last nights game.

I will make this observation/assumption after reading the comments over the last several threads:

d-bag = T_E

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 4, 2008 1:27 PM

I'll let you in on a little secret:

Everyone has posted under a different name or no name at all. EV-ery-one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The Truth says Jordy Nelson is awful and will not amount to anything in the NFL.

The Truth says James Hardy was available when The Redskins picked Devin Thomas. The Truth says Redskins fans should watch that beastly WR and compare his career to DThom's.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has posted under a different name or no name at all. EV-ery-one.

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 1:36 PM

AGREED. I have 3-4 regular RI names. I know the WaPo can identify PCs by IP address; however, some several family members in the household.

Regardless, ethically, the WaPo should treat our anonymity with the same level of care as Deep Throat (the confidential informant--not the porn star).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

and I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night as well.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:22 PM

Hope your wife doesn't find out about it.

Posted by: Mull It | August 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea which big WRs are good or not. Just know that w/o them, its hard to be a great team

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

My dad once told me, don't do a job if you don't love what you do. I may not make the best living right now $ wise but I am otherwise happy.

Posted by: 35332 | August 4, 2008 1:08 PM


Man that's some damned good advice... I'm sort of in a field that I don't love, and some days absolutely loathe but the pay is decent, IT isn't going anywhere in the foreseeable future, and I'm decent at it.

I'm happy that I am 24. Yeah, the clock is winding down in regards to selecting a career, but I'll start mashing the red PANIC button if I'm approaching 30 and I'm still deciding.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Including yours truly.

Posted by: Anon the Barbarian | August 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I only post under a fake name if I am doing an impression of someone like a George Bush says "_" or what have u.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I initially was a fan of drafting the two WR, but I now have my doubts. I think if you draft one and Fred Davis (who I wasn't thrilled about initially, but looked pretty good yesterday), and put them with Moss, ARE, and Cooley, you are going to score a lot of points.

Maybe Matt Jones is available for a 1st round pick or two...(joking)

Posted by: BT | August 4, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

scoped nads

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 1:34 PM

ouch...that sounds really painful.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 1:36 PM

Actually, depending upon how they are scoped, it can be quite a pleasurable experience.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Both Kelly and Thomas will be productive this year. There is still plenty of time for them to get healthy and learn the offense, especially since Zorn seems to be teaching them only one position at this time.

I also refuse to call them busts until they have played for two to three years.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Bringing in Kelly and Thomas was a good move (and I'm not a big fan of the Spaghetti Gang, as most of you know). If you can get one big target guy to go along with Cooley, this team will be much better.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:30 PM

As I had been touting all offseason and before the draft, big guys mean nothing. It's all a show - misdirection in order to be able to place blame somewhere for passing game woes.

The short guys seemed fine to me last night (albeit for only two series). They also seemed fine to me in the last 4 games of the season last year. Size is going to have no bearing on whether or not this offense and Jason Campbell are successful. All that's going to matter is whether or not our guys can stay healthy.

Picking up Thomas and Kelly should (hopefully) improve the passing attack. But it will have nothing to do with the size of these guys. If they can stay healthy, Santana Moss, Randle El, and Jason Campbell will all have very good years - regardless of whether Kelly and Thomas play a major role.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't thin Devin Thomas needs that much time in camp to get this down: you run a 4.3, so you will be running a streak on EVERY down to clear out a defender or two so we can deliver havoc underneath.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

In the "Red Zone" in a jump ball situation, having tall recievers will make a difference, IMHO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

++++The Truth says Jordy Nelson is awful and will not amount to anything in the NFL.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 1:37 PM++++

THE CORK likes to be pretentious now and then and post in the Third Person, too. But THE CORK isnt' so megalomaniacal to claim to know whether or not Jordy or Devin will prevail. And neither does THE TRUTH, even if he starts to post in the Past Pluperfect tense.

Personally, THE CORK favored Devin over Nelson at draft time but had questions about Knee-issue Kelly over wrist-issue Sweed.

Only bring it up because of disastrous past history drafting WRs.

THE CORK will continue to hope for the best.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 4, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

History proves you wrong PSPS. Possession WRs are the guys that win games.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear, I do not think Kelly/Thomas will be busts. I really did not watch them enough in college to draw an opinion either way.

It would be nice if one of them were productive this season. Every added weapon on offense is a bonus.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I also refuse to call them busts until they have played for two to three years.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 1:47 PM

For the most part I agree with this statement. But, take someone like Reggie Bush. Dude, had BIG hype coming out of college and has averaged less than 4 yds. per carry thus far. Most people were saying he was the second coming of Gale Sayers.... Dude has already been dubbed "Reggie Bust".

Like JC, this is his put up or shut up year.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

In the "Red Zone" in a jump ball situation, having tall recievers will make a difference, IMHO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 1:51 PM

I will agree with this, but that is such a minimal occurrence that it's really almost nothing IMO. There will maybe be 2 or 3 times throughout the season that this opportunity will present itself (jump ball), and being tall doesn't ensure a reception anyway. Not exactly cause for saying two very talented receivers can't get it done as starters (Moss and ARE).

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The chat's hysterical; Colt Brennan fever is spreading! There wasn't a Jason Campbell question until five minutes ago.

Babe Laufenberg is laughing somewhere.

Posted by: TMU | August 4, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

There was a reason that Kelly's stock dropped like a rock in the weeks prior to the draft. He has a condition with both of his knees which scared many teams and no one except the Skins would use a 2nd on a guy that also had a poor 40 time. I question why we would have picked ANOTHER tall, possession-type receiver after picking Devin Thomas. Hope Kelly is back after his knee is scoped, but don't expect him to be of any help this year.

I've seen nothing from Fred Davis that would justify picking him in the 2nd round when we had major needs on both lines, LB, and CB. He'll only play in certain packages since Cooley never comes off the field and Yoder is the blocking TE. I don't see how picking a guy at a position where we are stocked makes any sense. My prediction is that Davis will be frustrated by the end of his 2nd season and either become a malcontent or released.

Vinny really used the extra No. 2 picks to restock the roster really well.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 4, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

People have their own definition of "Big" and "Possession" WR... I think you must be at least 6-2 and 210lbs. If that is so then most of the all-time greats fills this bill.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Possession WRs are the guys that win games.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 1:56 PM

Size does not determine "possession" WR. Just because a guy is fast doesn't mean he can't run the underneath and intermediate routes as well (which both ARE and Moss can do).

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Wiz, how long have you been working for the NFL evaluating players?

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan fever is spreading!

Posted by: TMU | August 4, 2008 2:01 PM

You've got to love/pull for a guy who comes out of no where, suprises everybody, has a good outing, and looks classy doing it.

And, if you're a 'Skins fan, you want to hope he can do it again. And again.

Posted by: Mull It | August 4, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hits and Misses
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Aug 4, 2008

Here are the highlights and lowlights from the Redskins 30-16 win over Indianapolis in the preseason opener Sunday night. Also, how was Dan Snyder after the game in the locker room? Which current starter is one of Colt Brennan's biggest fan's? It's all right here...

Hits

...Jason Campbell connecting with Antwaan Randle El for a 20-yard touchdown on the game's third play. The outside receiver, Santana Moss, cleared out the corner and froze the safety allowing slotman Randle El to run an easy corner route. The Redskins have run that play almost to perfection in practice, so it was no surprise to see it work in a game.

...Quarterback Colt Brennan showed an awful lot last night. Let's not get carried away and proclaim him anything, but suffice to say he had a strong debut. Brennan showed accuracy and good decision-making. One time he held the ball too long - about five seconds -- and got hit. That's on him. But he threw a pretty corner pass to Maurice Mann for a touchdown, tying the game at 16. And he improvised nicely under pressure on a 5-yard touchdown pass to running back Marcus Mason.

...I like Mason; always have. He hits the hole very hard and when he cuts he's always moving forward. He showed that Sunday night.

...Corner Leigh Torrence showed unbelievable closing speed to defend one quick out and prevent a first down.

...Rookie End Robert Jackson had a first-half sack and for the most part did a good job, though he did get driven downfield a few times. In practices, he's shown enough to get more looks. That's what he did last night.

...Rookie Chad Rinehart seemed to do an OK job at left guard and later left tackle. Left guard is a better spot for him than outside; he seems to work well in traffic.

...Safety Chris Horton did a nice job blitzing off the edge, but did so unobstructed. Give him credit for being able to drag down a hefty QB in Jared Lorenzen.

Misses

...Todd Wade suffered a high ankle sprain, which means he could miss a while. We didn't know the severity of it last night, but typically they're 6-8 week injuries. Unless, that is, it's a mild one.

...Reserve left tackle Stephon Heyer was terrible in pass protection. Looked like what he is: a former rookie free agent. Let his man get into his chest and was not just beaten but destroyed on three occasions. His run blocking was much better; saw him driving his man downfield at times. Not sure that he's a future starter; certainly not at left tackle.

...Kicker Shaun Suisham missed a 39-yard field goal. He has not looked sharp in practice, so that certainly wasn't a good sign. The Redskins have their fingers crossed on him. But his kickoffs were pretty good.

...The third-down defense was atrocious early, but considering the Redskins played minus 7 defensive starters that's to be expected. Good pass rushes help third-down defenses. They did not do a great job aga inst the run, either, but one reason is because of the linebacker's depth. They had to line up an extra yard downfield because of the Colts' passing attack and the desire to play cover-2. They played pass first and run second. The safeties at times were 17 yards deep, similar to coverages they played last year.

...Rookie corner Justin Tryon did not have the best debut. Did not look great as a returner - remember him boasting about getting to the 50 every time? And he was beaten a couple times in coverage. Looked like he needed more depth in one zone coverage and was flagged for interference another time. On the latter, his lack of size worked against him. But he had good coverage on a fourth-down incompletion thrown his way.

Other thoughts:

...Good debut for Jim Zorn; his offense looked sharp. Let's see how it progresses, but it was a good start.

...Owner Dan Snyder was excited afterward, keeping the locker room closed a few extra minutes than they're supposed to because there was a little more excitement than normal for a preseason win. He's always been that way; reacted similarly after a scrimmage win vs. Pittsburgh in his first season. Hey, he's enthusiastic.

...One player after another praised Brennan's poise in the pocket. Moss loves the kid; told him when he got here how he was a big fan of his. Gotta make a young kid feel good to hear that.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/775218.html

Posted by: Keim to da Post | August 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The short passing game vs the deep passing game. Simplified. Assume bigger guys are slower, don't go deep. The QB throws a shorter pass to a larger target. The completion % is going to be higher. Result, better ball control, which was the essence of both Joe Gibbs and Bill Walsh's offenses in the 1980/90's. We are running a version of Walsh's offense now.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

psps -- Moss and ARE are not going to be running over the middle much. They are too small for that. They have speed/quickness and that is the asset they should use.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

IMO, Moss is a two AT BEST. ARE is a slot/3rd AT BEST.

I'll be honest I can't explain my logic on that, because 'Tana ripped secondaries a new one during the 05'-06' season. But he's been playing for seven years and excluding his rookie season, he's clipped the 1K mark only three times. Not exactly 1st option WR numbers.

ARE has only caught 50 passes ONCE in his 6 year career. Nuff said.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Very True Red;

but both were on run predominant teams, Us and the Steelers.

Moss was the only option in 06 and tore it up. I am excited to see what he can do this year.

Posted by: Zebra | August 4, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Just wanted to add that I'm a fan of both 'tana and ARE.

Moss was incrediable in 2005!

ARE's heart couldn't be measured with the scale they weigh the whales with!

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Greg, what's your thoughts on Marcus Mason?

You know I have to ask :)

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Zeke - They will use their speed/quickness, as always, but that doesn't mean they won't be going over the middle. Randle El made his name playing the slot and working the middle of the field - and that's likely where he'll be used in 3 receiver sets. You don't have to have the huge, box-out body if your quickness allows you to get separation in the middle of the field. Hands and separation are what's important, not size. That's how Welker led the NFL in receptions last year going over the middle.

So do you think that if Kelly and Thomas don't pan out that Moss and ARE are doomed to last year's numbers?

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's not start the coulda-shoulda-woulda stuff with the WR's. Campbell needed more weapons and they got them. They should be healthy enough to contribute. We have to remember, that we are also building the future. I was most impressed with the following...

1) Chris Horton
2) Veteran's body language on the sidelines. No disrespect, but there always seemed to be a tightness when Gibbs coached.
3) JC
4) Game management

We'll see if it continues.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 4, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Injuries are bad.

Posted by: filling in for JM220 | August 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

IMO, Moss is a two AT BEST.

But he's been playing for seven years and excluding his rookie season, he's clipped the 1K mark only three times. Not exactly 1st option WR numbers.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | August 4, 2008 2:13 PM

Are you saying that because you don't think he's good enough, or because he's been hurt too frequently? Injuries are a valid argument, but again have nothing to do with size.

IMO, Moss is definitely a #1 ability-wise.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Is there a sniper in the woods or something? And is there a giant bulls-eye target on EVERY FRIGGIN' HAMSTRING on the 'Skins?

Posted by: Ben | August 4, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Mason is a good practice squad player. I don't see him making this team, unless the team keeps 4 rb's. Portis, Betts, Rock, are locks, with Sellers as the lone FB. If the team hadn't signed Rock, then I'd be all for it, but having inked him to a 3 year deal makes Mason obsolete.

I mean, can you see Mason making this team?

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit - just defending my boys Santana Moss and ARE. I hope Kelly and Thomas both pan out, because if that happens and we stay healthy, we'll have the most dangerous receiving options in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

How about UGA and USC being #1 and #2 in the USA Today rankings. Very cool.

Posted by: CBT | August 4, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I mean, can you see Mason making this team?

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 2:31 PM


Yes

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

****Randle El made his name playing the slot and working the middle of the field - and that's likely where he'll be used in 3 receiver sets. You don't have to have the huge, box-out body if your quickness allows you to get separation in the middle of the field. Hands and separation are what's important, not size. That's how Welker led the NFL in receptions last year going over the middle.****

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:24 PM

Agree 100%. I think that ARE would be best in the slot, and size there is not a factor.

I think that size is more important in the 2 receiver spot.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Who are your sources for this story?

Posted by: Larry Michael | August 4, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If (and this now seems like a big IF) we can find a kick returner to replace Rock, then I would take Mason over Rock. there was a reason that Rock (like Collins) was not picked up by another team during FA.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Either way, quick slants are the hallmark of the WCO. Get the ball in ARE or Moss' hands 5 yds down field in full stride with no SS/FS ready to head hunt them, and they will have a big year.

Posted by: Zebra | August 4, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

..And there's a reason Mason wasn't picked up by any of the other 31 teams when he was on the practice squad last year and there for the pickin'

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

To borrow a phrase from Peter King: Factoid of the Week That May Only Interest Me: According to the story on Art Monk in the HoF program, he originally wanted to attend Maryland but got talked into going to Syracuse by his mother. I guess he always knew he should be here but had his arrival delayed by a few years.

Posted by: [cc] | August 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I going on record saying that Kelly will have an impact this year. Even if he misses a few more weeks of practice.

Posted by: MJ | August 4, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone explain to me why people fall in love with Mason every pre-season, because I'm just not getting it?? Is it because he dominates in the 3rd and 4th quarter against guys who wont make the team, is that it?? He has the same number of carries that I do, during the regular season. ZERO.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Last year the did 15 yd dig routes and outs, no up field momentum and either the sideline or waiting safties to snuff them out right after the catch.

Moss has a huge year because of the screen and the go route.

This year will be slants and go, or double moves as the CB's, LB's and Safties move up to take away the slant. JC needs to develop his pump fake.

Posted by: Zebra | August 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Truth barks - WOOF WOOF WOOF!

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Same reason there all on the Colt bandwagon now

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

my fav. q/a from the chat:

Anonymous: Gotta get a Brett Favre question in here even though I'm tired of hearing about it. If you were working as a beat writer in Green Bay what would your question be to him?

Jason La Canfora: Brett, can you call my insurer, make sure my wife and kids will be okay from my benefits, and then put a slug in my stinking head right now, because I can stand to cover this debacle any longer?

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Larry,

This is not Skins controlled media. Sorry you'll have to accept some critisism.

Posted by: Frank Herzog | August 4, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Some of us were on the Colt bandwagon before the draft.

Rock also played in the second half and to me did not look any better than Mason. I recorded the game last night and have watched several times.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 4, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

A good win for you guys. I suppose you have to take most things from it with a pinch of salt but the offense looked pretty good.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

psps -- I have nothing against Moss or ARE. I'm just saying the big target guys are the ones that carry you. Santana has great speed and that has its purpose. I liked how ARE looked until he got tweaked.

Its pretty unusual for guys that go in the middle a lot to last a long time. Welker was in a unique situation. Brady had so many weapons and an OL that was as good as any I've seen, until the SB.

I think that shorter passes to bigger guys who find a spot in a zone are the high % plays that win. History backs me up on that, even though its not intuitive.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get ahead of ourselves with Colt. He certainly looked good but it was 9 throws.

Posted by: Skinz | August 4, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

..And there's a reason Mason wasn't picked up by any of the other 31 teams when he was on the practice squad last year and there for the pickin'

Posted by: | August 4, 2008 2:43 PM

There's also a reason Ryan Grant was traded for a 6th (or 7th?) round pick from the Giants, and ended up producing pro-bowl caliber stats. Clearly there are some players more talented than how NFL teams value them.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

* Sorry, RI FFL post *

Can all the owners that haven't yet posted their preference for the draft day please do so.

* Normal blogging is resumed *

Posted by: Redcoat | August 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ummm greg, cuz to our non-football expert eyes he looks good and makes things happen whenever they put him in. isn't that how you judge talent?

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Truth voted for Monday because that is the night The Truth is most likely to be sober.


The Truth stares into space.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

A good win for you guys. I suppose you have to take most things from it with a pinch of salt but the offense looked pretty good.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 4, 2008 2:51 PM

I have to disagree. We don't HAVE to do anything RC. But were we to decide to we'd take it with a grain of salt. I'm not going to KNOCK on wood and not "touch wood".

After our first offensive drive I sent a text to my buddy "16-0" after I saw our D the first drive is sent him a text saying "0-16" *Bold Prediction Incoming* We will finish somewhere in between those two.

Posted by: Skinz | August 4, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I think clearly that whoever said injuries are bad is a geanus.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

While the Spaghetti Gang wrestles with the salary cap ... here's my budgetary version of the cap ...

"The biggest question for the eight-item menu is what to do with the double cheeseburger, considered its anchor. High dairy prices have pushed up the cost of cheese, and McDonald's predicts more pressure because its beef costs will be higher this year. Mr. Thompson said if McDonald's moves the double cheeseburger off that menu, there would still be some type of $1 burger."

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Lets hope McMullen can make a couple more 35yd catches now.

Posted by: Brandon | August 4, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Deal, while I appreciate you carrying the flag for Mason, its just not happening.

He was playing against guys slightly less talented than himself, and that should tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Truth asks for a link to the chat transcript.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Zeke - fair enough. I guess we'll just have to agree on this final point: I'm glad we have all 4 receivers now, because that puts us in position to have the most dynamic and deep receiver set in the league.

And lets not forget Cooley and Davis. And Portis and Betts. 8 legit receiving options that can be a threat on any given play. Not bad.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Truth asks for a link to the chat transcript.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM

No

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Washington, DC: Why did the television broadast show the political affilitations of some of the players last night? We kept seeing graphics like "Colt Brennan (R)."

Jason La Canfora: That's a joke, right? (And if it isn't, don't mean to be snarly).


But that's R for rookie, not R for Republican
++++++++

LOL!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

He was playing against guys slightly less talented than himself, and that should tell you all you need to know.

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 3:03 PM

He was also playing with guys who aren't the most talented in the league (meaning o-line). Completely discounting his accomplishments during the game just because he wasn't going against the top defense isn't the greatest idea.

Posted by: psps23 | August 4, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | August 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

didn't see Fred Davis in the game. Did he look good? I saw he had a few catches.

I'm still not sure why the Skins wanted a second tight end with such a high pick. Seems you go for an every down type of player, not a situational guy. Which is what Davis is, since Cooley has probably the most long term, secure spot on the roster.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

i still haven't seen colt play yet. vids won't load. so i just want to reserve my place on the bandwagon for now. i still say if zorn was to bring WC offense i did not see it last night from JC. again WR's were sitting, having snapple green tea ($1.75 but it's good), having dinner, putting their kids to bed, waiting for the ball to arrive. instead of 20+yard gains it was 8-12 yard gains.

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Lets see if he makes the team out of camp. I mean surely this would be an idicator of how good this guy is right?

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The Truth says that The Redskins pretty much SOLIDIFIED their "skill" position players for a long time. The Truth says The Redskins can now focus on other areas in the draft, like LB, secondary, and both lines. The Truth says that the next two drafts could complete the team for about 5 or 6 years.

Posted by: The Truth | August 4, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Injuries to the WRs concern me, including Mix. Hopefully one of these dudes can line up on the edge with Moss and let ARE shine in the slot.

I think MOss/ArE are going to have good years but we need other legit contributers at WR as well..

I have been saying this since last yera, but now with Davis it makes more sense. We should do what the colts do and line cooley up at the slot with yoder/davis/sellers at the traditional TE position. Imagine throwing moss/Are on the wings, cooley in the slot, Portis/Betts with Davis/sellers/yoder blocking or getting a short dump. That would cause some problems and the underneath stuff (to anyone of them) would be available all day.

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 4, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

beepums

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Lets see if he makes the team out of camp. I mean surely this would be an idicator of how good this guy is right?

Posted by: Greg | August 4, 2008 3:11 PM

Agreed! By the same token, let's see if he does not make the team before we say how he is not NFL material.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Zebra | August 4, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

beep beep guys

Posted by: dealer | August 4, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

in the Jason La C chat today - 8 - 04 - I compared Colt to Brett more in his eccentricities than in his talents but the question was actually - why do coaches - in any sport, really - try to create cookie cutter players - as if there is only one way of doing anything? A guy throws funny - so what - it worked for Bledsoe - Kosar - Gannon - and Gannon didn't exactly have a cannon. Even in baseball - I am of the belief that coaching sometimes ruins - or at least damages - players by trying to get them to do something the one true way, which might happen to be unnatural for them. There have been oddball successes in every field - why not at QB or left-handed hitters - or pitchers? why does everybody have to subscribe to the ONE plan that everybody decides is most likely to succeed. (ever heard of Dick Fosbury? EVERYBODY did it one way before he came along. Ever heard of a 3-finger guitar player - Django - being better than almost any 5-fingered guy?) Calm down Colt's head - fill it with good ideas but let him throw the shotput if that's what he's been doing since age 6.

Posted by: former washingtonian | August 4, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

poop

Posted by: Anonymous | August 4, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

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