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Mounting confusion on Malcolm Kelly injury

While Malcolm Kelly's future is no longer up in the air -- he was placed on the season-ending injured reserve list Tuesday -- the exact nature of his injury is still shrouded in a bit of mystery.

Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan was very clear on Monday, saying Kelly pulled his hamstring. "Obviously, it must be a lot worse than we first thought," Shanahan said. One day later, rather than cut Kelly, the team placed him on IR.

One of Kelly's teammates, cornerback DeAngelo Hall, has said the team misdiagnosed Kelly's injury at the outset of training camp and didn't learn the severity of it until after Kelly was already exercising the muscle.

"They thought it was one thing, he ended up finally getting a second opinion three weeks later, and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was," Hall told ESPN 980 earlier this month. "So we're here babying Malcolm, saying, 'He's a baby, he's a baby, get out there and play,' when he has a Grade 2 strain. And they're around here saying it's a Grade 1 and there ain't nothing wrong with him."

A Grade 2 strain is much more serious than a Grade 1 and requires different types and lengths of rehabilitation.

Kelly's agent, Chad Speck, declined to comment on Hall's assertion, saying he doesn't comment on the health of his clients.

Shanahan said Kelly has had MRIs since he first injured the hamstring in June at quarterback Donovan McNabb's "Hell Week" workout. He said Kelly sought a second opinion on August 19, a day he was absent from practice, but he has not publicly identified the severity of the strain.

Asked Tuesday whether the hamstring was torn, Shanahan said: "What's the difference? Tear, strain. Same thing. Just different terminology."

The possibility of a misdiagnosis raises a series of questions: why wasn't the injury properly diagnosed in the first place? Was there a misdiagnosis that resulted in further damage to Kelly's hamstring? If the team's doctors and training staff failed to properly diagnose the injury, did the team feel culpable and more inclined to keep Kelly in the organization?

By Rick Maese and Jason Reid  |  August 31, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
Categories:  Malcolm Kelly , Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

We're bringin' Rexy back...
You Cowboys don't know where it's at.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | August 31, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I told you it wasn't just me.

Posted by: Albert_Haynesworth | August 31, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse
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I have to defend the Redskins a little bit here. This kind of stuff happens alot, but it doesn't get to the media. It doesn't make a misdiagnosis right or a good thing, but the Redskins are far, far from the only organization that this happens to.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | August 31, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a flying F....!!

Posted by: iubiquity | August 31, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

1117, 31 other teams you can follow chief....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 31, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, for crying out loud. HamstringGate? Are you people serious?

How about cutting back on the fake tweets and pot-stirring, and actually get back to some fact based reporting?

I trust the Redskins medical staff more than anything I read coming out of the Post. You guys aren't doctors or lawyers, so quit playing Perry Mason trying to sniff out a malpractice suit.

They have kept this team a hell of a lot healthier than at any time in past years to this point in camp.

Posted by: McMetal | August 31, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You can't be serious? MK was born with damaged goods. What does it matter if he was misdiagnosed? It's not like the coaches were forcing him to practice everyday. He tried practicing twice! Big deal.

And why does Hall have to comment on everything that happens with this team?

Posted by: oh_boy1 | August 31, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, they misdiagnosed him before they drafted him as well....

Posted by: edvar | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

TOOK OUR JERBS!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"...and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was."

Sounds like someone is still bitter about the whole Fat Al thing to me. Glad Hall is the team's medical expert. :P

Also sounds like to me Kelly was keeping info from the Skins on the severity of the injury so they wouldn't cut him.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Wonde if any players will be permitted to attend McNabb's hell week next year - that's if McNabb extends with the Skins.

Posted by: coparker5 | August 31, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Stupid...and can DHall shut his f'ing pie hole for once! Please????

Posted by: PlayAction | August 31, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM |

Come down off the ledge robert, it's not that big of a deal. The sky isn't falling.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And why does Hall have to comment on everything that happens with this team?

Posted by: oh_boy1 | August 31, 2010 3:59 PM

He's one of the few that will talk to these clowns.

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 31, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM |

Come down off the ledge robert, it's not that big of a deal. The sky isn't falling.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2010 4:03 PM

Nah, let him stay on the ledge...in fact, give him a little shove.

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 31, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hall Davis is the final player to be cut today

Posted by: --swb | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Deangelo Hall, shut your damm mouth.... He and Clinton Portis always talk but I have never heard anything that makes any sense come out of their mouth.... shut ur damm mouth and play !!!

Posted by: BarackObama | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

First to say what a clusterf*ck of an organization! The more things change the more they stay the same.

Posted by: srobert1117 | August 31, 2010 3:20 PM |

Come down off the ledge robert, it's not that big of a deal. The sky isn't falling.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2010 4:03 PM

Nah, let him stay on the ledge...in fact, give him a little shove.

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 31, 2010 4:06 PM

I was trying to show my compassionate side.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 31, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Mounting confusion on Malcolm Kelly injury

So we've gone from too much worry about AH to too much worry about MK.

Love the consistency here.

The thing they both have in common: each is a pick that Vinny Cerrato made that he should not have when the chance to do better was there.

Soon, we'll add Jeremy Jarmon to that list.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 31, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, the issue is not with the Skins medical staff; the issue is that Malcolm's legs seem to made of Play-Doh and every year he discovers a knew way to injure himself.

Don't blame the mechanic when your Ford keeps breaking down...

Posted by: p1funk | August 31, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Man, I'm gonna miss Edwin Williams' ugly mug gracing the front page of my favorite sports site.

Posted by: Predator48 | August 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Who really cares?

If the players last name is not McNabb, Portis, Moss, Cooley, Fletcher, Hall, Haynesworth, Landry, Orakpo, Carter, Brown, Williams or Davis then why is it a big deal.

He is not going to play for the Redskins in 2010, so why are we talking about it.

Jeez Louise, drink some Kool-Aid with me for crying out loud.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a sh!t what D-Hall says, he's not a doctor. Until MK12 says it was misdiagnosed to someone other then D-Hall, or the doctor that gave the second opinion says it was misdiagnosed then this is more BS then anything.

This is like the McNabb thing the media crasping at anything for a stroy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | August 31, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"Hall Davis is the final player to be cut today"

"Hall"?

Who names their kid after the area of a house?

I guess his sister is named Latrine.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 31, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

What confusion? Malcolm Kelly has bad hamstrings, bad knees and can't practice or play on a consistent basis. Washington Post is already gonna try to turn this into another "Headaches" or should I say "Hamstrings" drama. Is the regular season here yet?

Posted by: moseley_brian | August 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting for the "Mounting pressure from hamsters results in JReid ouster" headline. *sigh*

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Somebody just give MK a best friend hug.....

Posted by: VicDamone | August 31, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Medical Diagnosis isn't even close to 100% accurate. It is more 50/50.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 31, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to get new doctors, I know this stuff happens all the time but come on Skins...
Haynesworth, MK and DMac. Maybe players should automatically get second opinions instead of depending on the team docs.
I'm not saying this is a major issue but this type of stuff makes you wonder if there are other issues besides misdiagnosis.

Posted by: priceisright | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hall Davis is the final player to be cut today

Posted by: --swb | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Guess they just wanted a look-see. Great physical specimin. Just didn't cut the mustard.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, they misdiagnosed him before they drafted him as well....

Posted by: edvar | August 31, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse
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Ladies and gents, we have a winner! lol

Posted by: walkdwalk | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hall Davis is the final player to be cut today

Posted by: --swb | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

?????

Didn't we trade for this guy on Sunday?

Isn't it Tuesday?

Did he leave giant deuce in Shanny's private stall or something??

Posted by: p1funk | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse


Hall Davis is the final player to be cut today

Posted by: --swb | August 31, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

?????

Didn't we trade for this guy on Sunday?

Isn't it Tuesday?

Did he leave giant deuce in Shanny's private stall or something??

Posted by: p1funk | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM

Poopy? Is that you??

Posted by: PlayAction | August 31, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I know the Skins gave a conditional pick to get Hall Davis. Does this mean conditional on him making the team? It would be a pretty dumb move to give up a draft pick for someone you are going t cut hte next day.

Posted by: HokiePaul | August 31, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we trade for this guy on Sunday?

Isn't it Tuesday?

Did he leave giant deuce in Shanny's private stall or something??

Posted by: p1funk | August 31, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, if he couldn't cut it with Rams' defense, what chance did he have with us. I just thought he would last til Saturday.

Posted by: frediefritz | August 31, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This type of reporting is soooooo frustrating!! Is the Post the National Enquirer now? Guys from all over the league have been falling like flies this preseason. JR loves Jason Campbell so much, why doesn't he report on whether the Raiders are rushing him back to practice too quickly after his shoulder stinger the other night. Every team has a few guys that are already dinged up. I don't blame Kelly for being susceptible to muscle pulls. There's not much he can do about it. But the team hasn't been forcing him to practice hurt. Athletic though he may be, he may not be cut out to play in the NFL. I really wish the WP would give JReid a different beat to cover. He innately doesn't like the team, for whatever reason, and he's manufacturing distractions for a revamped organization. And to everyone who has asked for DeAngelo to pipe down . . . amen!

Posted by: flyboygraphics | August 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

2 things:

1)Malcolm Kelly is not nearly good enough to keep talking about this stupid injury anymore.

2)DeAngelo Hall - Please shut your face and keep picking off some passes in the regular season like you are in the preseason and you will be worshiped in this area.

DONE

Posted by: kickass10101 | August 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Its the curse of les Redskins

Posted by: postcrud | August 31, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Hall Davis trade was for a conditional pick - likely "if he makes the team, we'll give you a 7th rounder".

I'm guessing that the Redskins knew the Rams were going to cut the guy but wanted to ensure they'd be the first team to have a chance to sign him. They got their look, didn't like what they saw, and it likely hasn't cost them anything.

Posted by: --swb | August 31, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Hard to know what went on, but I recall numerous video of Kelly out on the field running or jogging during camp. If he had a severe hamstring pull he should not have been doing this. With all the imaging medical technology available the team should have been able to determine fairly easily the severity of the injury.

There's no excuse for a professional team that spends millions on obtaining players not being able to find out simple medical conditions such as muscle breakdowns causing kidney malfunction (Haynesworth) or severe muscle pulls (MK). Football players are tough and don't want to admit weakness. It is the job of a doctor to diagnose medical conditions.

I see in the Post today that CP has a hyperbaric oxygen chamber, as do many pro athletes, but many others believe it is simply useless and the effect is only psychological. Hyperbaric therapy is acknowledged in medicine for certain conditions, including some possible football condtions, and is covered in the the US and other countries by some health insurance, including Medicare.

If the Redskins want to be the best they need to cover all their bases. When to fail to utilize modern medicine and medical technology they're giving away a big edge that other teams undoubtedly employ. (I recall reading an article about the Pat's in this regard a couple years ago.)

Dan, you just lost somebody for the year who might have been able to play and might have helped the team. Please establish a real capability here and hire somebody who knows this stuff to run it.

Posted by: dcc1968 | August 31, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

What a crummy piece of reporting the Washington Post uses. Hall opens his mouth and the post publish whatever crap comes out of it, in this case he apparently knows more than the Skins medical staff, was present at MK visit with outside physician, and with his medical degree in hand (never mind that he can barely speak the English language), he has come out and announced to the "reporters" (my apologies to real reporters for using this word when addressing the garbage gatherers of the WP) that the Skins have misdiagnosed the MK's injury. Oh, I am so confused. On the one hand we have a medical staff, people who have actually trained on the field of medicine, saying one thing and on the other hand we have the illustrious Hall who spent some years on college not attending class - what is a moron to believe?

Posted by: hock1 | August 31, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"...and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was."

Sounds like someone is still bitter about the whole Fat Al thing to me. Glad Hall is the team's medical expert. :P

Also sounds like to me Kelly was keeping info from the Skins on the severity of the injury so they wouldn't cut him.

- Ray

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Sounds about right to me. And if the 'Skins did miss it, hey, it happens. And we do have a new training staff. And his legs are made of taffy.

Also, I like that Halls comments on everything. He likes to talk. That's his style.

Posted by: lordtwang | August 31, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Boy dcc1968, you're drawing a lot of conclusions from very little evidence. Did you sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Posted by: flyboygraphics | August 31, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

About kelly.. I have friend in the sports rehab business and his take on kelly is that he was always the star in H.S. and college and really didn't have to do more then obligitory weight training and it didn't matter. sinced turning pro, it is not only required but you have to show results. he thinks kelly just hasn't had his body keep up with all the weight training that is required. he believes that when his body adjusts to really lifting weights seriuosly for the first time in his life, he will not only get bigger, stronger, faster, but will reduce his injuries. just throwing that out there for maybe why the team IR'd him. they believe his body will catch up with the requirements it needs to be a pro. food for thought... wish i had my usual rant on a cowturd fan on something smart and funny to add.....maybe next time.....HAIL!

12 days till dallas beat down...thats all i got!!

Posted by: klangley69 | August 31, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, here's some Wise-style journalism at its best. Whenever anything happens, go ask the resident loudmouth for a quote.

Hey DeAngelo, let me guess, were you by chance Vick's fight Vet, too?

Posted by: McLobo | August 31, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

kelly now has a whole year to rest the legs...get a professional trainer to work with him after he has been inspected by a muscle specialist. if he comes into camp next summer and continues with the leg issues...just cut him and don't look back. simple process. hall is just a drama queen that needs to be seen and heard. maybe queen is too harsh a term. he needs the spotlight for sure. i'm sure the team trainers consulted with him before they even looked at kelly's legs to make sure they had an expert opinion.

Posted by: joerutgens72 | August 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

So, at what point does DeAngelo get labeled as a locker room problem and/or get disciplined by the team for speaking out of turn. The man has no internal censor and, excuse me, but why is he taking what is legitimately an internal team matter public.

Now, as to what happened, if there was a misdiagnosis, then the Redskins should step up. But I'm not sure that is what happened.

Posted by: jnel | August 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Who the F did the diagnosis? Rob Dibble?

Posted by: JohnWWW | August 31, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

good posts by dcc and klangley. both could apply here. i WANT to see this kid (and d thomas) SHINE. it's possible they won't but i've a "half-full" kinda guy rather than half-empty. why not hope for the best?

Posted by: dcjazzman | August 31, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

do you think we should pick up Antonio Bryant?

Posted by: jonesndhouse | August 31, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

This is going to break-down by race.

Hmmm, I wonder the racial make-up of all the posters saying DeAngelo Hall should "just shut-up"?

I would be willing to bet that it's something like 97% white.

I have a question-what is it about white fans that makes them so antagonistic toward the players? White fans are the only ones that apparently go to the games to cheer the Coaches and Owners.

I truly believe, truly, that pro football, uniquely is seen as a stand-in for either slavery or more accurately Indentured Servitude by white fans, even if on a subconcious level.

Because of this, in the minds of the majority of white fans, the players should "just shut-up", they should be so APPRECIATIVE and GRATEFUL (though the players EARN their way into the NFL, they don't get in by a raffle contest).

According to these white fans, that the players should be willing to do whatever the coach says, lie about an injury, shut-up, talk, walk, sit-down, get-up, jump through this hoop, jump through that hoop to appease the white fan base's ideas of neo-slavery and/or neo Indentured Servitude.

Otherwise,how/ could anyone be against D.Hall sticking up for Kelly? Hall, a veteran knows better than Kelly or any of these white posters, the coercive nature of the NFL coaches and front office, how they intimidate young players into not disclosing injuries.

Left to his own judgement, M.Kelly would let the Redskins and Shanahan make him a pariah to fans-a poster boy for injury prone athletes, so DeAngelo Hall spoke up for him, letting fans know that something funky is happening with M.Kelly.

He should be cheered, not jeered.

So I think if anyone should "just shut up" it is you....
oh_boy1
Playaction
flyboygraphics
kickass10101
hock1
joerutgens72
jnel
All of you shut up.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 31, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

@jonesandhouse
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If you're not being facetious...
NO! We should not pick-up Antonio Bryant, he's injured- his knee is too problematic.

Somehow, too many us as fans have yet to totally wash the previous incarnations of the Redskins out of our minds.

So, we keep talking about wide receivers. When MS was going good with the Broncos, he only featured one or two WRs at a time.

Shanahan didn't exactly run a Run n' Shoot.

There's far too much conversation in Redskin's Nation about wide receivers.

Shanahan is adept at getting TEs the ball as well.
I wouldn't worry too much about wide receivers.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 31, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Armchair GM wrote:
According to these white fans, that the players should be willing to do whatever the coach says, lie about an injury, shut-up, talk, walk, sit-down, get-up, jump through this hoop, jump through that hoop to appease the white fan base's ideas of neo-slavery and/or neo Indentured Servitude.
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"Neo-slavery" for a 1/2 million $$ a year?
I want in. Where do you sign up?

Posted by: PS7900 | August 31, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

@PS7900-
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I have a question-why do so many white fans treat the players, especially the black ones as rebellious slaves for exercising, their constitutional rights? The players shouldn't speak??!?!? C'mon man, it seems to me white fans treat the sport as a stand-in for at the least, indentured servitude.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 31, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

@PS7900-
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Look, this is just a sport, it shouldn't be taken this seriously, by ANY of us. They do make money, but unlike nearly EVERY other entertainer, there exists this idea that athletes, particularly football players,specifically, the black ones need to be controlled and treated as man-children.
No other entertainer goes through this and you know it.
Even basketball allowed for the craziness that was Bulls-era Dennis Rodman-could that guy exist in football?
So I have a problem with fans who go "shut-up" to grown men and I noticed, anecdotally, that many white fans REALLLLLY tilt that way and I would like to know why? After all, all fans go to the games to see the team-the players,not the owners and coaches,right...hopefully right?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | August 31, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I have a question-why do so many white fans treat the players, especially the black ones as rebellious slaves for exercising, their constitutional rights?
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This is not a constitutional consideration. Did Don Imus lose his msnbc gig for violating the Contstitution? More like, he violated the tenets of allowable speech set by the organization. Football players have tighter limits than that. If you're going to speak about the organization, speak kindly. My business operates that way. So do many others.

At-will employment and the First Amendment are two different entities.

Posted by: PS7900 | August 31, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

If that was ronni lot he would have cut the leg off at the knee & showed up for practice with a prosaic leg. Drama over no more hamstring problem, Im just saying

Posted by: labpatti | August 31, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

If that was ronni lot he would have cut the leg off at the knee & showed up for practice with a prosaic leg. Drama over no more hamstring problem, Im just saying

Posted by: labpatti | August 31, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, this guy is one of "Vinnies Kids". An absolute failure of a draft pick based on production. He could have 30 extra hamstrings and he will never amount to being a pro football player. In 2 plus years this guy is all dressed up with no place to go. The entire organization knows it. The problem is he hurt himself at the Donovan McNabb Messiah Camp and - regardless of diagnosis - now this is probably somewhere in the gray area of a voluntary vs mandatory team event. (For the record I like Donovan and the move to get him). Who knows - maybe that changes the terms of his severance package one way or the other. And just maybe it should? It doesnt matter anyway - what do we care if he collects a check - like that would be the first guy to do that around here? I admit, it does seem like there is a pot-stiring effort going on here in the media. But that stuff is usually put out there on purpose by either the agent or the organization to get leverage. The teams, agents and media outlets all play sources against each other.

My bigger issue is this flipping idiot DeAngelo Hall. Why cant this guy just shut his yap and play ball. He is like a freaking shop steward looking for an argument everytime something happens. Forget about the facts - because you always know what side of the deal old DH is coming down on....

ArmchairGM - Dude, you have serious issues. Your sweeping generalizations and assumptions are about as racist a post as I have ever seen. You must not work in any kind of organizational environment where structure is required. Structure is not slavery, servitude or opression. It's "structure" and it is imperative in any successful organization when teamwork is requisite for success - from the front office to the ballboy. If the team made a mistake - they will deal with it because they have to as an employer and party to a contract. Given this organizations track record, who doesnt think that a mistake could have been made? What Kelly doesnt need is a self absorbed Perry Mason/ Johnnie Cochran working the media for him (white or black). He's got a contract, an agent and an NFLPA player rep to help him. Anything Hall has to offer about Kelly's employment situation as a member of the team to the media is out of line - and it would be in any company. Do the other disgruntled Redskin employees bash management with immunity? His blabbering only serves to make the team - who is still his employer look bad and force them to draw lines where a compromise could be made. There are atleast 52 other players on the team - and hundreds others on the payroll - that understand this basic tenet of an employer/ employee relationship. You think this clown has a constutional right to interfere with MK's relationship with the team? Good one. The only thing you are right about is that it is a sport and should not be taken so seriously. That is, until guys like you pour gasoline all over the wood pile and light it on fire. Get help.

Posted by: dokane | August 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@dokane
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Your post sort of makes my points for me-

Why do so many white fans take an adversarial stance toward the PLAYERS?

Why do so many white fans see football as a stand-in for either slavery or indentured servitude?

Why do so many white fans have this militaristic stance toward entertainers in a sport? "shut-up, sit-down,talk,don't talk"-FOOTBALL IS A SPORT-IT'S NOT THE MILITARY!!!
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To some your points- There's no way if you've listened to Hall's comments that you can come away saying "this guy thinks he's Perry Mason". Rather, Hall's comments were more sheepish than antagonistic, it's as if he were trying to apologize to Kelly through the media for some of the negative feelings of impatience that some on the team had about Kelly being "babied".
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You think this clown has a constutional right to interfere with MK's relationship with the team?
W T F is a constitutional right to interfere? That's something YOU made up not me.
My posts were about his constitutional right to free speech.
So, yes, just because someone plays a sport doesn't mean they have ceded their constitutional right of freedom of speech. What is about some white fans that this doesn't ring true for you. You see how I arrived at the idea that far too many of you have a neo-slaveowner's mentality? Why can't athletes express opinions like other entertainers? Metallica has opinions on issues, Dixie Chicks have opinions, Travis Tritt has opinions,Madonna,etc., but if athletes, particularly football players, specifically black football players ever speak on things that white fans don't think they should it's wrong, wrong, wrong in your minds...why?

Why do so many white fans allow for their freedoms and rights, but take an adversarial, hostile viewpoint on athletes exercising theirs?

They're entertainers-same as the rest, so why does it offend your sensibilities so badly for them to open their mouths?

Why is he a "clown" to you? That's one my points-this antagonistic,adversarial view that too many white fans have of black players-what makes Deangelo Hall a clown?

It doesn't is seem odd to you that you view him as a clown, for speaking on an issue?
See, so many white fans lob these verbal grenades at players...why? I was reading a thread yesterday in which a poster kept referring to Devin Thomas as a knucklehead. When challenged by other posters as to what exactly makes Devin Thomas a knucklehead-he couldn't come up with a cogent answer.
Why do so many white fans think that sneering and snide comments are a hallmark of being a fan?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | September 1, 2010 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Soooooo fed up with all of DHall's whining. This guy has far too much to say. Please please please can someone find a way to shut him up!!!

Even if MK was misdiagnosed - he's not the first person it's happened to and won't be the last. It happens. No-one gets everything in their job right 100% of the time - MK should know that more than anyone!! I'd imagine that the difference between a Grade 1 tear and a Grade 2 tear may well be something that isn't always clear cut and that different physicians could quite legitimatel come to different opinions on it. Bottom line is though, the organisation was well warned before it drafted MK that he red flags all over his medical record and yet still it drafted him. If he'd made a full recovery from the hamstring injury then it would simply be a matter of time before it was another injury keeping him out of action.

This story just smacks of someone trying to make news where there really is none and they've been aided and abetted by that motormouth DHall. Please just shut that guy up!

Posted by: tartanskin | September 1, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

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