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Marcus Mason Is Back With The Skins

The former Skins RB and Georgetown Prep product is back with the Redskins, according to a league source, after being claimed on waivers. Mason spent the past two training camps with Washington and was one of the final cuts in 2008. He was signed to Baltimore's practice squad and then later to the Jets' active roster, but was placed on waivers Monday after New York selected a running back in the third round of the draft.

The San Diego Chargers, who like Washington have a deep backfield, also claimed Mason, according to the source, but the Redskins were awarded him based on them having first crack at him based on the reverse order of finish in 2008. Mason will be with the Redskins for the start of mini-camp Friday. He has become popular among fans and last season some were expecting him to make the team after some strong performances in exhibition games, though his struggles on special teams held him back.

The Redskins bring back runners Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts and Rock Cartwright from last season.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 28, 2009; 4:32 PM ET
 
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yes!

Posted by: dadanimal | April 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

release rock and Sign mason full time find another full time KR

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice. Was wondering when some RBs were gonna be broguht in.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I go thru each key position compared to the 2008 performance. Its anywhere from a -2 to +2 based on the difference. For example, I give Landry a +1, since I expect him to improve. Albert is a +2 at DT. At CB, Hall is counted as part of the 2008 team.

3 DT +3
3 DE -1
3 LB -2
3 CB -1
3 S +2

defense, 15 players, net +1

2 OT -1
2 G even
1 C even
1 OL/depth even
1 TE even
3 WR +1 (Thomas has to be better, right?)
1 RB even
1 FB even
1 QB +1

offense, 13 players, net +1

1 P even
1 K even
1 KR/PR even

Overall, I see this team +2, a modest improvement over 2008.

The +1 on offense comes from improvements in D. Thomas and Campbell, offset by a partially by downgrade in the OL due to age issues. The OL is especially vulnerable to injury, so a -1 across the 6 spots (5 starters + 1 reserve) could prove overly generous.

On defense, Albert + expected improvements in the young players at safety are the big upgrades. The losses are mostly at LB and DE. Fletcher's age also creeps into this.

Of special note, rookie DEs are rarely big contributors, so I scored Orakpo that way. However, recent years have seen rookie LBs make huge impacts (Willis, Mayo, Merriman) and if Orakpo follows that path, that would make the defense much better (same logic behind my wanting Curry).

I saw no reason to change special teams, but only our KR was good. I wouldn't be surprised if we see improvements there -- in most cases, it couldn't get much worse.

Overall, we're looking at a very similar talent level as 2008. Given our schedule, which has only 4 teams from 2008 that finsished below .500, this team is likely to be around 8-8, yet again.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I think that this is a good move by the Skins. I have always liked Mason and I will be pulling for him to make this team!

Posted by: NCMatt1 | April 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I saw no reason to change special teams, but only our KR was good. I wouldn't be surprised if we see improvements there -- in most cases, it couldn't get much worse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This part of your post makes 0 sense. How can you see no reason for change BUT yet only our KR was good...it couldn't get much worse.

No change needed? ok if you say so!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

'..Marcus Mason Is Back With The Skins..'


Really?

So, let me guess, he'll impress right up until cut down day when he and Alridge are sent packing as Rock, Betts, and Portis are all under contract and can't be cut.

Maybe the headline should read, "More training camp fodder on the way."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAH...high comedy, 2009 season is officially SAVED....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I saw no reason to change special teams, but only our KR was good. I wouldn't be surprised if we see improvements there -- in most cases, it couldn't get much worse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This part of your post makes 0 sense. How can you see no reason for change BUT yet only our KR was good...it couldn't get much worse.

No change needed? ok if you say so!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:07


I'm saying I didn't change the overall rating for the special teams ... mostly because there haven't been any significant changes to date.

Should there be changes? Yes. Clearly there is lots to improve. But so far, have we improved special teams? We've added some maybe's, nothing proven.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLC,

How about digging into the story where the Redskins 5th round pick Cody Glenn now says he lied about why he was suspended at Nebraska and it had nothing to do with scalping tickets? Didn't the Skins confirm the story was true?

Looks like the Redskins may have screwed up and not done their homework yet again!

http://omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3918&u_sid=10621287

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | April 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Now if we could just get Leigh Torrence back, all of life's problems would be solved.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

moe, BINGO....he'll impress against other non-NFL Roster players, until the end of camp, and then he'll be gone....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of offseason jibba jabba ... anyone up for "Top Ten Reasons Why Cody Glenn REALLY Got Suspended for Three Games"?

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

have good evening ladies, until tomorrow

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see Mason back with the Skins. He's a one-dimensional RB -- has he learned how to catch, pass block, and play special teams? I gather Mason will be in competition with Cartwright, Dorsey, Alridge, and Thrash for the final two special team slots.

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The Skins 7th round (compensation) draft choice WR Marko Mitchell has nice potential too.

He's 6'4", 210 lbs, and ran a 4.36 at the combine. The highlight reel in Terl's Blog was impressive: http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/26/pick-243-redskins-select-marko-mitchell-wr-from-nevada/#continued

Posted by: siris | April 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What's the story on Leroy Hill, the OLB for the Seahawks who recently was released? Is he an OLB the redskins might make good use of (assuming they could create the cap room to sign him)? Are they pursuing him at all?

Posted by: northvajim1 | April 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 P

You must be new to the blog my brother, I think you'll find a lot of others on RI who feel the same way.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

... find another full time KR

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse


We did when we signed Dominique Dorsey earlier in the offseason.

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

CJMARTIN04,


Nice find! It appears many of the 'Skins picks had issues with going to class. I could care less, as long as they are more productive than last year's mess.

Posted by: duh2mag | April 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 P


Let me guess. You said something critical of JLA and Cork jumped down your throat like he was Mrs. LaConfora??

Let me put it this way...If JLA is Paris Hilton, Cork appointed himself Tinkerbell.

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

all is well now

Posted by: dealer1 | April 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

now cut CP

Posted by: CMoneyy | April 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I like this move-- if he could return some kicks and punts, he'd nicely replace Rock. He needs to improve his blocking still, but if he could, I wouldn't mind him taking over for Ladell either (who might yield a 4th or 5th round 2010 pick if traded).

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse


Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 P

You must be new to the blog my brother, I think you'll find a lot of others on RI who feel the same way.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 28, 2009 5:00 PM

... and who are also more pretentious and/or bigger d-bags.

Its RI's claim to fame actually.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

We should have never gotten rid Marcus Mason in the first place. Who we should have gotten rid of is Malcolm Kelly who won't be at mini camp because of his knee.
Mason is a guy who i can see if we keep can end up being the replacement for Portis. I know Clinton is still a beast right now, but he is losing a step. This 53 man roster will be extremely hard to make if you are not already a starter. SKINS LOOKIN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | April 28, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of offseason jibba jabba ... anyone up for "Top Ten Reasons Why Cody Glenn REALLY Got Suspended for Three Games"?

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM

Reason #10. He refused to accept the explanation that the letter on the side of the Nebraska helmet stands for "Nowledge"

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

LouLou-Dude, give that pipe a rest.

Posted by: bostskin | April 28, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 P

You must be new to the blog my brother, I think you'll find a lot of others on RI who feel the same way.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 28, 2009 5:00 PM

... and who are also more pretentious and/or bigger d-bags.

Its RI's claim to fame actually.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 5:24 PM |

I will say at least he is no Barno

Posted by: jayandcat | April 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

like this move-- if he could return some kicks and punts, he'd nicely replace Rock. He needs to improve his blocking still, but if he could, I wouldn't mind him taking over for Ladell either (who might yield a 4th or 5th round 2010 pick if traded).

Posted by: TDawg1 | April 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse


Once again, the Skins made a punt retrun/kick return move earlier this offseason when they signed Dominique Dorsey - some CFL special teams stud.

They do not need Marcus Mason to step up in any kind of special teams capcity as a returner.

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Rock was fine on kick returns. It was punt returns that were miserable, 'cept when Santana took one to the house. But we can't put Santana back there often -- he's our only WR threat.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 28, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

LanCanHater would have to be talked off the ledge if the Skins cut Rock Cartwright. Most of his stuff is negative now. There's nothing worst than a writer scorned!

Posted by: dcwun | April 28, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 28, 2009 4:43 PM |

You're new, aren't you? My advice on TheCork is to ignore the substance of what he says and to admire his style. A day without TheCork is like a day without stool softener.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Now if we could just get Leigh Torrence back, all of life's problems would be solved.

Posted by: dcsween

Don't forget Billy McMullen and Mike Espy!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This 53 man roster will be extremely hard to make if you are not already a starter. SKINS LOOKIN GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | April 28, 2009 5:25 PM |

Can you explain how this works? There are 22 starters. They will have an easy time making the team. The other 31 will find it "extremely hard"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I can hardly wait until we get Michael Vick
throwing deep to Plaxico.

Posted by: farmerdick | April 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest - we signed Hunter Smith, head and shoulders above what we had last season at the punter spot.

We also drafted at least 2 special teamers (both LBs were standouts in college) and most likely 4 total out of the draft (should they all make the roster). Robert Thomas, signed in the offseason, has been another standout STer for his career.

Khary Campbell, ST captain last year, is gone. There's a shot that both Rock Cartwright and James Thrash, also special teams leaders, will be gone as well.

There's been significant movement on the ST front. You may not be able to judge how it's been affected, effective-wise, but make no mistake, the special teams will look different (as it should, considering everything was subpar last season).

Posted by: psps23 | April 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason = Training Camp Fodder

How many times you let a chick dump you before you realize it ain't happenin'?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

#9 Coach found an Remington Pro series signature series "Adam Jones" 9mm in his locker.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLC,

How about digging into the story where the Redskins 5th round pick Cody Glenn now says he lied about why he was suspended at Nebraska and it had nothing to do with scalping tickets? Didn't the Skins confirm the story was true?

Looks like the Redskins may have screwed up and not done their homework yet again!

http://omaha.com/index.php?u_page=3918&u_sid=10621287

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | April 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse


Some reporter brought this up at the press conference and asked if all of his legal troubles were over and Vinny replied with a thought provoking 'I don't know' - way to do your research guys

Posted by: az_david | April 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Mason will get cut again unless he can learn how to block. That's his weakness. Maybe he's developed some since last year. We'll see. I think the guy is a decent back and could end up being a backup to Portis if Betts gets traded, but again, he needs to develop better pass blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 28, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

#8 A part of Glenn's pre-game ritual was listening to Kenny Roger's classic hit "The Gambler" over and over.

[And by the way, he got off easy with a three game suspension.]

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

#7 Got caught committing an unnatural act with an ear of corn.

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I really liked Ladell Betts, but have the coaches just given up on him (averaging less than 4 carries a game)? I do wish we had another running back with "Denver Bronco Clinton Portis" speed. We need someone productive to spell Clinton.

Posted by: Vicc | April 28, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Now if we could just get Leigh Torrence back, all of life's problems would be solved.

Posted by: dcsween

Don't forget Billy McMullen and Mike Espy!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 28, 2009 5:52 PM

At first I was thinking about all of life's problems ... but you're talking about all problems per se, both life and death. Skins would go straight past the Super Bowl victory and onto resolving the Middle East conflict, the global war on terror, and climate change.

Talk about a dream team.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason = Training Camp Fodder

How many times you let a chick dump you before you realize it ain't happenin'?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 5:55 PM

One more time ... after I change my name from Omar Stoutmire.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of offseason jibba jabba ... anyone up for "Top Ten Reasons Why Cody Glenn REALLY Got Suspended for Three Games"?

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 4:57 PM

Reason #6. Placed eBay bid on 100M gallons of sweet crude posted by "JollySomali"

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I really liked Ladell Betts, but ...

Posted by: Vicc | April 28, 2009 6:07 PM

Me too, but ... I'm hoping that some team with an already mediocre feature back (or next year's Denver) is willing to get desperate and cough up a 4th round pick for Betts ... like a junior varsity version of what happened to the Skins re: Phillip Daniels/Jason Taylor.

Posted by: dcsween | April 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't see anything that says the kid had legal troubles, it says he lied about why he was suspended.

I'm sure he has told the Skins why he was suspended. There is no reason to tell the media.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

From SI: 2010 Mock draft

13. Washington Redskins
Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

All it takes is for one team to fall in love with the chosen one. No owner develops crushes like Daniel Snyder, who will take Tebow 10 picks too early. Tebow doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a Jim Zorn quarterback, but there could be a new coach in Washington by draft day if the Redskins end up slotted at No. 13.

Hopefully, we pick after 30 so this nonsense never happens!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Mason's a good pickup. With the many issues to be had with the front office over the years, Cody Glenn's past is just grasping for straws.

Posted by: noluvdr | April 28, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

WE need to keep him! He has the quick fresh legs that the other backs don't have.

Posted by: mmagua | April 28, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I would definitely giv up Ladell Betts for a 4th rounder. I jus want a spell back with blazing speed.

Posted by: Vicc | April 28, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

#6 Glenn had in his possession a CD entitled Heavy Metal Parking Lot, autographed by one Chris Cooley and an undisclosed amount of medical marijuana.

[Did I say this guy was a great pick yet?]

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

#4 Glenn was never really suspended. It was just a cover story. Glenn's real name is Dakota Glenn, and he is really a she. Dakota dances in a topless bar at night and the last three games of the season she had come down with a really really bad yeast infection.

[okay, I came up with this one just to get the count up numbers back on track... so sue me]

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I've been away for a while, so this may have already been covered, but...

1. How in the hel did we let Duke Robinson slide past us in the 5TH ROUND? The 6'5" 329 lb. top rated Guard in the draft? Our starting R Guard has a plate and a couple of screws in his neck and is 33 years old. His back up didn't have "the confidence" to go in any games last year (it's football! tell him to go change his pad...). HELP ME somebody!

2. Why do we continue to sign TE's? Are they figuring Eddie Williams will be a slot guy? If they were looking for big slot guys, they should have grabbed WR Ramses Barden (6'6" 229) in the 3rd round instead of letting him slip to the G-Men, who were ordinary without Plex. Now WE have to cover him...

3. Why did we take ANOTHER TE in the 7th instead of giving Alex Boone a try? WTF! We passed a 6'7" 328 starting LT for Ohio State for another TE? It's the 7th friggen' round! Give the guy a shot!

My head still hurts...

Posted by: edvar | April 28, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

edvar,
Enter Sween's Top 10 challenge, it'll make you feel light-headed and woozy, which is probably a dam sight better then you feel now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Has Khary Campbell signed with anyone?

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 28, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

edvar, I'm with you.

There is simply no explanation for most of the things done and left undone by the Skins' brain trust on Sunday. None whatsoever.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 28, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

As per usual, a wide divergence of opinion. Some think this team is 12-4 but the majority I think has been trained for another 8-8 season plus or minus 2 games depending on game luck.

I think Zeke's analysis stayed 'medium' and was about on par, although perhaps he should add +1 to ST. But I would say that only -1 on OL is crazy - if anyone thinks that a 33-yr old Olineman is as good as the same guy 1 yr or 2 yrs ago, or you can count on him for 16 starts, you are crazy.

My take on the draft: we got lucky with Orakpo, and he will be really good, maybe great. The rest: maybe 1 decent starter and 3 ST guys. Most of the (non-Maske) draft evaluators put us behind Eagles and Giants but ahead of Cowboys. My guess is this is about right, and in fact this is how the division will end up this year.


Posted by: zornskins2 | April 28, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

7th instead of giving Alex Boone a try?

Maybe the FO was worried he'd start jumping on cars again & have to be tasered. Who knows why they passed but if he stays sober for Singletary he could wind up starting.

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Not Possible! Not Possible!

Daggar!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5d097fAWeI

HaHa! Greg - You know what time it is!

See ya late Ladell Betts..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

7th instead of giving Alex Boone a try?

Maybe the FO was worried he'd start jumping on cars again & have to be tasered. Who knows why they passed but if he stays sober for Singletary he could wind up starting.

Posted by: will_ga | April 28, 2009 7:01 PM


That's my point! It's the 7th round. Give the guy a try at RT. We had (have) needs, and another TE ain't one of them... I bet Buges and Jansen could point him in the right direction. Otherwise, we took a flier on a 7th rounder. Bummer...

Posted by: edvar | April 28, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Edvar,

I think Wilbon hit the nail on the head in his chat yesterday. The Redskins won't draft OL because Dan Snyder doesn't think the pick is "sexy" enough and the guy doesn't have enough name value.

I don't think we'll see the Redskins draft a non-skill position offensive player for years. Next season we'll be drafting a QB because Snyder will blame a 6-10 (or worse) record on Campbell.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | April 28, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Little did NFC East know the havoc, controlled mayhem, Armageddon size damage their offenses will face, this year, from the Skins defense. Orakpo is not human.

Posted by: abxinc | April 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Edvar,

I think Wilbon hit the nail on the head in his chat yesterday. The Redskins won't draft OL because Dan Snyder doesn't think the pick is "sexy" enough and the guy doesn't have enough name value.

I don't think we'll see the Redskins draft a non-skill position offensive player for years. Next season we'll be drafting a QB because Snyder will blame a 6-10 (or worse) record on Campbell.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | April 28, 2009 7:18 PM

It's amazing to think that Snyder forgot what the HOGS meant to the franchise and all the Championships they plowed the road for.

My head still hurts...

Posted by: edvar | April 28, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

zornskins

'...My take on the draft: we got lucky with Orakpo, and he will be really good, maybe great...'

If we are lucky, B Orakpo will be a D Freeney/T Suggs type player for us.

But because we are unlucky, he'll live up to all the fears and worries various scouts and media types laid out on draft day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'll say it.

It looks like to me that the FO has decided to blow up the team in its entirety.

Everyone is trade bait...Carlos Rogers, Chris Cooley, Jason Campbell, Ladell Betts all those platoon (anonymous) linebackers and DEs. If another WR shows something, even Moss could be on the block. Clinton Portis, Albert Haynesworth and LaRon Landry, Deangelo Hall are the only others that may not be a part of the coming fire sale.

Is the Zorn experiment over?

How else can you explain the late round picks?

Stupidity, you say. Okay, that seems plausible too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 28, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Moe, your right on. Even if he pans out, Snyder will think someone else's DE is better and give that guy a ton of money and let Orakapo walk.

Posted by: jayandcat | April 28, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

'...The Redskins won't draft OL because Dan Snyder doesn't think the pick is "sexy" enough and the guy doesn't have enough name value...'

Then explain C Rhinehart, 3rd round, last year.

Or Marc Wilson and Jim Molinaro from some years ago.

Then, there's Derrick Dockery, 3rd round.

BTW: Wilbon's NBA analysis is to be trusted. NFL-wise, he's a bears homer living in a redskin' world.

Some intelligent reasonable person should ask Vinny Cerrato if the team thought so poorly of the linemen in the draft, it could get by with two undrafted terps.

'Cuz that seems to be the case, their lack of sexiness nothwithstanding.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

5 DT +3 Haynesworth, Montgomery, Griffin (+1yr), Golston, Wynn (+1yr). Even if H goes down the position is covered.
4 DE +1 Haynesworth at least on passing downs, Daniels (+1yr severe injury last year), Carter (+1yr), Montgomery, Jackson.
6 LB even McIntosh (+1yr injuries), Fletcher (+1yr), Orapko, Blades, Thomas, Fincher, Cody Glenn? etc?
6 CB -2 Hall, Rogers, Smoot (+1yr), Barnes, (Serious Injury), Tryon
4 S +2 Landry, Doughty (Injury), Horton, Moore.

defense, depth appears vastly improved. Starters: Hard to replace Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs. Haynesworth and Orapko may improve the line/linebackers but only if they play more than 50% of the time and Orapko learns to stop the run.

6 OL/starting -3 Samuels (+1yr Serious Injuries), Thomas (+1yr Serious Injuries), Heyer (Injuries), Dockery, Rabach (+1yr), Jansen (+1yr Serious Injuries)
OL/depth -4 No depth unless Williams surprises.

3 TE +4 (Expecting HUGE incredible improvement!!) Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, Yoder or rookies.

3 WR -2 (Thomas has to be better, wrong!)
1 RB -2 Portis (+1yr injuries), Betts (+1yr injuries), Cartwright (+1yr)
1 FB even Sellers (+1yr)
1 QB +3 (If Campbell stays)
-5 (Collins/1st year Colt).

Offensively expect Campbell and TE to improve. Fred Davis is supposedly a great blocker, has long arms and huge hands and decent speed. Where is he, put him out there! They will need him this year! Cooley moves over to possession h-back ... perhaps coming out of the backfield at times. Expect little to no improvement from wide outs. Increase in age and injury for Moss and ARE. Thomas improving would be huge surprise. Assume Kelly continues to rehab. Running game gets worst sans a strong young OL resulting in an oft injured Portis. Betts will not be effective behind this line. It's all going to lie on Campbell's legs and arm. Its a blast from the past of for Sonny: his long lost misspent youth in the early sixties to 1969 (Lombardi).

1 P +3
1 K +1
1 KR/PR -2

Assume the kicking improves. Increase in depth on the defense may help the specials here. Certainly youth will be served on this team. New KR / PR seems likely at this point as much for salary cap in Rock's case. In ARE's case he continues to decline. If Thomas steps up ARE could end up as a backup WR/QB.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"Is the Zorn experiment over? How else can you explain the late round picks? Stupidity, you say. Okay, that seems plausible too.
Posted by: _Stumped_"

Ever notice how the 'draft grades' given out by various pundits are based largely on the player's notoriety?

I mean, a team like Cincinnati gets kudos because Rey Maualuga happened to fall in their tiger-striped laps. That's because Rey was on the cover of SI this past week, so he must be really good, right?

Or the team that picks up Greg Toler draws raves for their perspicacity, while the Skins hear boos for picking up a U-Md cornerback. That's because Toler, a ridiculously raw football player, happened to catch the edge of the hype caravan leading up to the draft, while Kevin Barnes had been on the shelf with an injury for the entire buildup.

Thank God for YouTube, huh?

Those end of the list players that Vinny drafted -- the real problem isn't that they can't play, or that no other teams wanted them. We don't know the answer to either question. All we know is that WE hadn't heard of them. Because the people we rely on for information -- the draftniks in the media -- haven't bothered to tell us about them.

Important to separate hype from scouting. And the draft -- and draft blogs -- are all about hype. Fun, as long as you don't forget that from a football perspective, you're in LaLa Land.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

edvar

'...My head still hurts...'

I hate to see a guy suffer.

Try this grappa.

(INSERT image of Moe pouring a thankful edvar a couple glasses of grape-wine. Edvar smiles, asks for more saying his head has stopped hurting.)

I made the grappa the old world way: barefoot crushed grapes in a tub.

(edvar curses a blue streak)

Yeah, I know I forget to tell you that edvar, you can put the handgun down, bro'.

I thought you understood what grappa was.

At least your head doesn't hurt anymore.

Be thankful, geez.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Then explain C Rhinehart, 3rd round, last year.
(Vinny was almost completely in charge: they traded down and didn't go after the flash "chick crack" as they could have.)

Or Marc Wilson and Jim Molinaro from some years ago.
Joe Jackson Gibbs and Joe Bugel

Then, there's Derrick Dockery, 3rd round.
Joe Jackson Gibbs and Joe Bugel

C'mon Moe, it was painfully clear the Snyder was completely in charge of this year's draft from the get go. From the Cutler shabingus through the Sanchez pursuit. This had Snyder written all over it ...

Just like Dallas ... they have one of the best kickers in the league and what did they choose? The best kicker in the draft! They almost defaulted on picks taking too long!

Re-drink that coffee you had earlier ...

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Or Marc Wilson and Jim Molinaro from some years ago. Then explain C Rhinehart, 3rd round, last year.

Those guys "flopping" really, really hurt the team. That's why most ALL of the better teams almost always draft at least 2 OL every year. The Ravens often draft 3-4!!! Most don't make it but the ones who do ...

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought you understood what grappa was.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009.

Grappa!!! The good stuff! Made from twigs and leaves of the uva! Yehhhhhssssss!

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

If we are lucky, B Orakpo will be a D Freeney/T Suggs type player for us.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009

Learn Coverage skills. Stopping the run. Keep lifting.

Then YES, probably. He has a great coaching staff starting with Blache. Have to see how it all turns out.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Those end of the list players that Vinny drafted -- the real problem isn't that they can't play, or that no other teams wanted them. We don't know the answer to either question. All we know is that WE hadn't heard of them. Because the people we rely on for information -- the draftniks in the media -- haven't bothered to tell us about them.


Samson, I don't think I agree with you on this one. The problem is that the team had desperate needs at O line and had players on the board that had a pretty good chance of filling that need. Venturing a 5th and a 7th rounder on players like Robinson and Boone has a pretty good chance of delivering some major returns. What the heck are we gonna get back in return for the second TE we drafted? Is he gonna beat out Cooley and Davis? Do we even NEED a TE? We need linemen. Still...

...And thanks for the Grappa, Moe. I hope I didn't kill your potted plant with it when I poured it out...

Posted by: edvar | April 28, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

edvar you have to know by now the TE they drafted is slated to play FB. There's only on FB on this team to date and he'son the wrong side of 32. In the WCO a pass catching FB is customary so I suspect this was a move towards the future.

I do believ that the skins should've picked Meredith in the 5th, but it is what it is. There are young OL players on the team. Can they step up? Taht's to be seen. The same can be said of any player they would have selected in the later rounds.

Posted by: TWISI | April 28, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

From SI: 2010 Mock draft

13. Washington Redskins
Tim Tebow, QB, Florida

All it takes is for one team to fall in love with the chosen one. No owner develops crushes like Daniel Snyder, who will take Tebow 10 picks too early. Tebow doesn't necessarily fit the mold of a Jim Zorn quarterback, but there could be a new coach in Washington by draft day if the Redskins end up slotted at No. 13.

Hopefully, we pick after 30 so this nonsense never happens!!

Picking that late would imply the skins win the superbowl (laugh)...since thats not going to happen I hope we just trade out of the first round

Posted by: kellsz1 | April 28, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

So we draft TWO TE's when we might need one for DEPTH at FB, but draft NO O-Linemen where we clearly have several needs? Hard to fathom...

Posted by: edvar | April 28, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

You guys keep calling the kid we drafted in the 7th a te. He is projected as a fullback in the mold of sellers who just so happens to be whining about his contract. I like that pick.

Posted by: crzyvgs | April 28, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else on this site find that "The Cork" fella to be a pretentious d-bag?
Posted by: noseman4681


Cork is just misunderstood, his sarcasm is as thick as maple syrup. He makes me want to be a better poster.

Posted by: isnadd | April 28, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I think most of the people in this room are either drunk or just plain stupid? We have 3 good backs with Portis,Betts and Rock. Why do we need to get rid of Betts or Rock? Remember what Betts did 2 years ago with Portis hurt. He was pretty good. Rock does great on kickoff returns and we use him as needed. Marcus Mason makes the roster this year thats great more depth. You guys yapping about the oline is getting old. Our line was banged up all year. Those guys healthy this year we will be fine. Depth is out there we will find it and you all act like opening day is this week, Geesh put down whatever your drinking and get a life.

Posted by: toyota44 | April 28, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

watch out aldrige and all you other backs who aren't going to make the team. because, this other guy that isn't going to make the team is back.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 28, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

release rock and Sign mason full time find another full time KR

Posted by: Hail2theChief

really? you must be kidding.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 28, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

i hope we bring in brett favre

Posted by: anacostia85 | April 29, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind us signing Mason, however we've already seen what he got and he didn't make the team last year. I would rather bring in a fresh new guy who could possibly make the team and play KR. Unless there is injury I don't see Mason doing any more then last year.

Posted by: mastdark81 | April 29, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

this was a great pickup. when CP is spent Marcus Mason will be our premier RB. Glad we were awarded the selection instead of the chargers.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | April 29, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Farve is going to Minn.
We should pick up E.James for one year.
WR MM is a great pickup for JC (big target with soft hands and competitive speed not afraid of the middle and will improve our red zone efficiency). With coaching and weight room (for upper body strength) he can be formidible. FA and Undrafted additions to OLine will give us a workable journeyman performance if they can still perform at the tail end of the season istead of dragging their tail at the end of the season.

Posted by: changer1 | April 29, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This is tangential, but someone said that we shouldnt have Moss do punt returns. I agree. BUT then I thought, even though returns look insane, anecdotally, I don't remember a single time I saw a returner injured. I wonder if special teams is actually less risky injury wise than the rest of the game. I'm probably wrong, just wondering.

Posted by: rsmskc | April 29, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Mason would have made the team last yr, however he is one dimensonial. He is terrible @ teams, cant catch or block and his only asset to the team is to eat up carries in the preseason and keep 26, 46, & 30 healthy for the the regular season. If he could play teams he would have made the roster lastyear and 5.0 40 time rock would be gone.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 29, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

release rock and Sign mason full time find another full time KR

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What an absolutely stupid move that would be. You obviously have no clue as to what Rock Cartwright does for this team. If I didn't know better, I would swear you went to the Vinny Cerato school of General Managing and Talent Evaluation

Posted by: virtueandvice | April 29, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If I didn't know better, I would swear you went to the Vinny Cerato school of General Managing and Talent Evaluation

Posted by: virtueandvice | April 29, 2009 1:13 PM

No, that's the school which has actually kept Rock. This guy is just an RI wannabe.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Reason No. 9- Was caught husking his corn in the lockerroom

Posted by: ElYeah | April 29, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The person who appreciates this signing the most is Clinton Portis. With Mason taking the bulk of the carries this preseason, CP can ride the pine to the regular season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 30, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

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