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Marcus Washington Is Out

The Redskins have decided to release Marcus Washington.

The former Pro Bowl linebacker has been injured much of the past four years, but when healthy performed well. He was signed as a free agent in 2004, and was one of the emotional leaders of the defense. But, as I reported a month ago, several sources taking part in the Redskins' offseason personnel meetings indictated Washington would not be back with the team.

Washington's departure will save the team $4 million in cap space (a $2 million dead cap fee remains from a signing bonus proration, but his salary is off the books). He was very popular with fans and teammates alike, but could not get on the field with regularity and had a difficult time making plays in 2008.

Down the line the Redskins could also release defensive end Jason Taylor and/or cornerback Shawn Springs for more cap relief. They are also likely to restructure several more contracts, with defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and tackle Chris Samuels among the candidates to re-work deals to provide more cap space.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 20, 2009; 2:47 PM ET
 
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I'm willing to restructure my contract to take more guaranteed, right away, but only to help out the team.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Has Orakap weighed in yet?

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Thank you baby jesus!

Now lets get moving on the other old guys!

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Good by Washington, your service was of value but is no longer required, best of luck out there. At least your Jersey can be resold 100 times over for the team.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Let the cuts commence!

Posted by: ga8085 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I was watching some combine coverage on NFL Network last night and both Gruden and Maylock talked in depth about how teams medical staffs look extensively into a players health issues.

Where was our medical staff when looking at M Kelly and R MacIntosh?

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Has Orakap weighed in yet?

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 11:46 AM |

Right. Keep you eye on the prize!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

why don't they talk about restructuring Cooley or Landry? they have big contracts but are actually young productive guys we want here for a long time. Griffen staying I'm ok with for sure, but please please please can we cut Springs and Taylor!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Cooley's on a 1 year old contract. I see that a tough sell

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Where is Greg did you guys ban him from the site?

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they can sign Freddy Keiaho to take #53's spot. Worked out well the last time we poached an LB from Indy. He's only 26 and shouldn't break the bank.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

both Gruden and Maylock talked in depth about how teams medical staffs look extensively into a players health issues.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM

Did they happen to mention how successful these staffs are in predicting which players will have medical problems? But with both MacIntosh and Kelley being known risks, it's hard to understand the logic in Redskins Park of giving up so much (two picks to trade up to get Rocky) for either of them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I am sure our med team looks at guys but I think Vinny's entire understanding on medical issues comes from playing operation.

Kelly has knee problems but how is his the pencil in his arm?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mosley has a new blog post on ESPN:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-8-84/Cerrato-keeping-Redskins--plans-under-wraps.html

Not much new info though.

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Man, you MF'ers sure are cold blooded.

If the man is released today, how about showing some f'ing gratitude for what he did in a 'skins uniform...

I wonder how many of you will react if people around you clapped, singed, and shouted when you lost your job.

Yeah I know he was compensated well, and he'll probably land a job some where else, but I don't know - for a few years, he was the best LB they had. He was productive and brought a lot of energy and swagger to that defense.

Although I believe it was the right move, it's a shame he couldn't end it in Washington the way he probably envisioned.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of you will react if people around you clapped, singed, and shouted when you lost your job.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 11:57 AM

I thought this was normal? Every job I lost we seemed to have a big celebration. I heard there were even bigger celebrations after I'd gone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Good luck to MWash. Sucks that he was always injured, but this was necessary. Whoever fills his spot has big shoes to fill (even if most don't realize it). He was a major part of the defense's success.

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Red - I like Marcus and what he did for us. I wasn't cheering for his release - I was cheering that we finally started doing SOMETHING.

But lets be honest, the guy didn't have it anymore.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I said thankyou.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I still think we'll draft Marcus Freeman in the 3rd round to replace M. Wash.

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Lavar was released, I thought having MW53 would make it not so bad. And it wasnt, 53 performed well for about 2 or 3 seasons. Hope the skins can find a good SLB. Kieaho is way to small for this system. They already have undersized LB's starting.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'll miss 53, he brought that swagger on D and was a beast in his prime. Business is business though.

P.S. Never post another link from Mosley ever again please...that guy is a d-bag and the whole NFC East blog is a traveshamockery. Dude posts 17 stories in a row about Romo getting a hangnail, or something of the equivalent...just to please the Cowboy/LeBron/A-Rod sports network

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 20, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Paraphrasing my post from yesterday:

1st round: M. Oher, OT, Ole Miss
3rd round: M. Freeman, OLB, Ohio St
5th round: L. Sidbury, DE (PRS), Richmond
6th round: R. Succop, K, courtesy of the Ole' Ball Coach

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I hate to see MW go but it is time. Thanks for all the great plays and best of luck.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 20, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Yoder,

At least Mosley hasn't pissed off the Skins staff to the point that they won't talk to him anymore.

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Dont overpay for DH23! If he wants too much, let him walk. If someone wants to inflate his already overinflated pockets, let em! He banked 8 million for 8 games in Oakland. Hes definitely a playmaker in the secondary, but with Rogers, Springs and Smoot still on the roster, its not necessary to overpay him. They could still cut Springs and pick up a younger serviceable FA. His time in Oakland and his attitude issues will hopefully reduce his market value.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Lets convert our 4 picks into 3 2nd rounders and whatever else is leftover, take an OG, a DT, and an OLB, and be done on the first day.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh indeed, Marcus is definitely not what he once was, but to pop champagne (so to speak) because the dude will get axed is a little overboard.

And yeah, I'm waiting for them to make more moves also.

Shawn Springs should now be on the clock.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If I were panthers GM (huntley?) I would say all the right things to Pepper, his agent and the media. Show valid effort in trying to accomodate Peppers wish to play in someone elses 34 defense. But, not tell anyone its all a ploy to soothe flaring tempers and keep him playing at least one more year in Carolina. Kinda like the Lance Briggs situation. Just sit back and take all the crap the mouthy, selfish, egotistical player dishes out. And when he's playing for the same team next season, all that trashtalk makes him look bad, because who had the last laugh? And he has a stud DE sacking opposing QB's?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"At least Mosley hasn't pissed off the Skins staff to the point that they won't talk to him anymore."

Not my point, I boycotted that blog after Mosley refused to write anything about the other 3 NFC East teams. It was so blatantly biased...not entirely his fault though: you don't get a writer from Dallas to write about the NFC East, bring in an outsider.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Redskins 2nd rounders since 2000

Fred Smoot
Ladell Betts
Taylor Jacobs
Rocky McIntosh
Malcom Kelly
Fred Davis
Devin Thomas

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

thanks for everything #53 you will be missed

Posted by: jonthefisherman | February 20, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

What am I not getting here?

Release Springs, and sign Hall.

Springs is just about as done as Marcus Washington.

I think Springs gave his best and final effort in Dallas last year, when he put the snuggie on TO - which resulted him brusing his heel, calf, or vagina - I can't remember.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Springs situation depends alot on if they can sign DH23. If they sign Hall, I think they dont just automatically cut Springs, they approach him about re-negotiating. If he says no, which given his track record he will, they release him.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think we should look into Jonathan Vilma?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

VBB, so true regarding Peppers.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I think Vilma had had some health issues in the past, and I beleive with the arrival of Gregg Willams, he's going to re-build that defense around him.

He is his new Fletcher.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Springs has a couple of good seasons still left in him, and if he plays safety then he'll play for a few. One things is almost certain: If we cut Springs, he will play for Dallas next year. Of course, that may not be so bad if he's injured during the season, though I think he will be healthy.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Just chiming in to say thanks to MW53 for your service to the burgundy and gold. Your efforts in 2005, particularly in the Tampa Bay game will not be forgotten by true fans. Good luck and Godspeed.

Posted by: Predator48 | February 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think we should look into Jonathan Vilma?

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd venture to say he's a little undersized for the SLB the Skins need. Is he a FA? I thought he was traded a season or so ago to NO from NYJ, right?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Irony - Vinnie talks more to the Dallas beat writer than he does to the local reporter.

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

crap the mouthy, selfish, egotistical player dishes out

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:21 PM

R u serious?

Peppers has been nothing but graceful and thankful to carolina and has ask for nothing more than a release.

how the heck is he egotistical?

u people kill me, the owners have bigger ego's than the players but that is ok because they are the owners.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

As inconsistent as Springs was health wise he did perform well after alomst retiring last offseason. My only question is if we let Springs go and can't sign DHall what CB is going to replace them? I love Smoot to death but I don't think he's on the same field ability wise as either of those two.
Any other decent CBs hitting free agency?

Posted by: BostonWarPath | February 20, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

They need either Springs or Hall on the roster unless they are going to sign some other starting caliber CB in free agency. That seems like a stretch with guys getting resigned and tagged at that position. They can not go into the season with only Rogers, Smoot and the pick of Bodden/Drayton Florence etc. That will be like the secondary days of Kenny Wright.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | February 20, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Been on hiatus from this blog since the end of the season, but had to say something about today's sad news. Marcus Washington was a class act on and off the field, and when healthy one of the better linebackers in the league. His pro bowl in 2004 was well earned, it's just a shame he couldn't overcome injuries to stay on the field a full 16 games ever since.

I met him on a couple of occasions and he was always friendly and did not ever seem to have the ego so many of today's athletes carry with them. I'll never forget how he used to dance in between plays...and sometimes would do so on crucial plays all the way leading up to the snap. He was a great character.

I'm sure he will find another team in no time, and probably will be signed for a bargain given his recent injuries. But I believe he can still play this game.

So long #53, you will be missed.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Vilma is a UFA. Must have just signed a one year deal with Saints last year.

6'1, 230... not huge, but probably not that much smaller than Marcus.

Mosley talks to Vinny... http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-5-305/Cerrato-keeping-Redskins--plans-under-wraps.html

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

u people kill me, the owners have bigger ego's than the players but that is ok because they are the owners.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Its real simple "greatone1", he thinks he's bigger than the team he plays for. He definitely hasnt been as mouthy as Briggs was, but just watch. If Carolina plays their cards right, they will have Gross and Peppers playing for them next year. At absorbatant salaries, but playing nonetheless.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Rypien11

'...Does anyone think we should look into Jonathan Vilma?..'

Why not?

Given the FO's love for players from "The U" Moe sees that as a possibility.

Vilma + Scott= Vilma as youth is better than experience for an old team like the skins.

But: Crowder + Vilma is a much more interesting problem as one could take over Fletch's spot and the other, replace Rocky Mac and his coverage issues at wlb.

But linebackers can be had in the draft: Moe likes a kid named Larry English who played quite well at slb in the Senior Bowl.

Then there's Maybin, Matthews, jr., some other cats.

Things are getting interesting.

Fire up the 'copter!!!!


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your service MW!

Why would we want Vilma, he is under contract and plays the exact same position as L Fletcher.

I like Vilma as a player, but makes no sense for Skins, and he is the most talented D Player the saints have so they will be keeping him.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 20, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Vilma is a UFA. Must have just signed a one year deal with Saints last year.

6'1, 230... not huge, but probably not that much smaller than Marcus.

Mosley talks to Vinny... http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nflnation/0-5-305/Cerrato-keeping-Redskins--plans-under-wraps.html

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think MW53 is around 6'4" 250, significantly larger than Vilma. Vilma is more Mcintosh's size (a WLB)

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

No chance we sign vilma or scott, they play the same position as Fletcher....

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is very sad news as Marcus was definitely a class act and did work hard. I sure am going to miss him.

Posted by: MM11 | February 20, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

he thinks he's bigger than the team he plays for.
Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:44 PM

he thinks he's bigger than the team he plays for because his contract is up and he did not want to be franchised?

Got it, doesnt make sense but got it.


if this is the case then why do we even give athletes contracts because according to you when their contracts are up they should still want to stay with that team.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

OK so Vilma is UFA. BUTT he is NOT an outside linebacker and struggled with Jets in their switch to 3-4. Proving that he is best suited as middle LB in 4-3. It would make ZERO sense to bring him here.

I also bet he resigns with Saint.

FYI Saints got him in a trade he was not a FA signee

Posted by: chrislarry | February 20, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Scott's an in ILB in a 3-4 - not the same as Fletcher.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I met him on a couple of occasions and he was always friendly and did not ever seem to have the ego so many of today's athletes carry with them.

Posted by: Barno1 | February 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

How dare you Barno! The owners are complete d-bags too! Dont you know d-baggery rolls downhill? Why dont you hate on the owners!

-"NotSoGreat1"

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

How can they NOT cut Jason Taylor? Why keep him, with that salary, for cripes sakes?? Any low 6th rounder could do what he did for us last year...which was nothing, other than being pushed around and making the other teams' tackle look good. How come Parcells knew that Taylor was done and couldn't wait to get rid of him, but our 'dynamic duo' thought Taylor was a pro-bowler?? Some talent-evaluators we got, eh?
In other matters...we need help all over. Like, 2, if not 3, offensive linemen, a defensive-end or two, a defensive tackle, all 3 linebackers (c'mon, now, we do...our guys are small, slow, and weak. they wouldn't make any other team's roster). Oh, and we need a QB, a running back, and receivers. Yeah, I know..that "V" guy (I refuse to say or write his name anymore!) got 3 receivers last year. Well, they ain't worth diddley-squat, and we can't keep playing in today's NFL with a 5'8" receiver on one side a 5'9" fraiddy-cat on the other.
Running backs? they're a dime a dozen, could be had for one-tenth of what we're paying now, who are not prima-donas.
QB? everybody's chimed in on this already. But, bottom line, who'll be doing the pickin' for us? Well, the same asinine folks from last year, so what do you expect? Me? I don't expect any improvement.
Just saying...

Posted by: al852 | February 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

'...Man, you MF'ers sure are cold blooded...'


Yes we are.

Plus: how much praise can be had for a guy who's been hurt a lot the past few years anyway?

The players say pro football is a business, and guess what? They ain't lying.

Do you see the players regretting not playing during a strike?

No: they say they've made a business decision and some of us fans have beat them to it.

Some of us cheer the players, some of us cheer the team.

The team lasts forever.

Go team!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Scott's an in ILB in a 3-4 - not the same as Fletcher.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

we don't need an ILB and we don't run a 3-4 was my point.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Va blitz you make no sense, you are the type of person that sees things only one way.

you are the type of person that blames the mortgage crisis on the homeowners but will turn a blind eye to the ones who knowingly gave fraudelent loans.

same thing, every athlete is not egotistical.

you cant say athletes are egotistical and then excuse owners for the way the act or treat players.

people like you turn a blind eye to things like how the GM is treating LT in san diego because it is "Business" , but if LT was cause the type of crap the the GM is causing you would calling LT a pre-madona.

So either its business on both sides are both sides are pre-madona's cant be both.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The team lasts forever.

Go team!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

You see great one, root for your players all you want. Its all about team. And when a player expresses his thoughts in the public eye, using it to his advantage to get what he wants, then yes he thinks hes bigger than the team. It might not be on the same scale as Briggs, but its all the same thing. He doesnt get any of those sacks without the guys on the field around him, the coaches putting him in position to make plays, the GM/owner recruiting him for the team. See how that all works?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"...Running backs? they're a dime a dozen..."

Sort of true. But not every RB has speed, awarness, vision, strength, toughness, durability, and knowledge.

And a dime a dozen RB is only good as that dime a dozen offensive line.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

So either its business on both sides are both sides are pre-madona's cant be both.

Posted by: GreatOne1

----

Wow, can't believe it, but I actually agree.

Although, free agency wasn't around pre-Madonna. I'm guessing there were a lot fewer prima donnas during that time.

...kidding (not about the actual point. I do agree with that).

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

R u serious?

SO is A.J. Smith the GM of the chargers bigger than the team because he put LT's business out there as leverage about maybe not wanting to keep him. so does that make him bigger than the team?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Great one, you are so right! I do see things one way sometimes. Thats the RIGHT way! And what do you mean "you people"? Are you some sort of racist?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Lets not forget no player's contract is guaranteed and the team/owners are free to cut at will, even when the players is still valuable football wise to the team.

Its ludicrous to blame the players to try to get paid when they can. This isn't pop warner or high school. You have to be somewhat selfserving. After all its their body that will be broken down at 45. Where is the "team" then.

Also I love all you types who think it all should be team. Give me all your bosses emails, I will remind them of that when your up for raise/new contract etc. You ALL would be looking out for yourselves and families in those situations, no different here.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 20, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

If VaBeachBlitz is always right, than I relish being wrong.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 20, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Also I love all you types who think it all should be team. Give me all your bosses emails, I will remind them of that when your up for raise/new contract etc. You ALL would be looking out for yourselves and families in those situations, no different here.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 20, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I dont blame peppers for trying to make the best of the situation for himself. I expect it, but I side with the team. My allegiance is to the team, not a player who will come and go. And comparing the average american getting a raise to Peppers, who if he plays for Carolina next year, makes the franchise salary of what was it... ? 16 million??? Kinda apples and oranges. And if he gets traded, hes' still bankin.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 20, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Man! I knew this day would come but I wasn't expecting it so soon. Marcus was one of 2 people I used to watch on defense to get us pumped up.

I hope he can get healthy and be productive elsewhere tho. He's such a nice man and always willing to sign anything we had.

See ya MWatt!

Posted by: tamika02 | February 20, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

'...Scott's an in ILB in a 3-4 - not the same as Fletcher...'


I know, but given the way the ravens used him to blitz and help ray-ray in run support, he gives Blache a 'backer who can play in a flex 4-3, 3-4 where the quarterback doesn't know if he's in run support or coming at him in a blitz.

Again: let's bring in guys who add a specific dimension to the scheme on offense and defense.

No player is pure anything in a defense predicated on confusing the offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Keiho? Like same draft, round and position as Rocky McIntosh? Hmmmm

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | February 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"I dont blame peppers for trying to make the best of the situation for himself.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz"

You did insinuate that he is a "mouthy, selfish, egotistical player". Kinda sounds like your putting blame on him, or at least that he is less of a professional because of it.

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Vernon Carey is off the market

Posted by: TWISI | February 20, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Marcus is the only player on the Skins I have ever met/drank a beer with. So I say thank you for being a Skin and look forward to seeing you at some of the bars in NoVa.

On a side note, I hope they can sign MeAngelo, that way they could cut Springs. Me thinks Carlos (I'm actually gonna snag a few picks next year) Rodgers and MeAngelo would be a pretty solid CB core.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | February 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!

Carey, Gross, and Andrews being unavailable really hurt our chances for a good FA tackle.

CRAP.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Alright, how about we really go after Jason Brown or Jahri Evans?

Canty and Haye on the D line would be good too.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry to see Marcus Washington go.. he was great in his time.. I see that Keyaron Fox is a Steelers reserve linebacker free agent.. Does anyone know him? He might be pretty good, considering how difficult it is to start at LB there...

Posted by: iseyij | February 20, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't heard Brad Van Pelt died until reading the Metro section today. Wow. I'm sure some of you other old timers remember that guy. Apparent heart attack at 57. It's gotta be the 'roids.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Jets are about to release a starting guard according to PFT. one jets guard worked out pretty well for us and this one is 28.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Dont worry Marcus, this is good luck for you. Most former redskin players who are cut end up playing in the superbowl for another team. There is light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's something wrt Jason Taylor I ran across:

I have heard rumors over the past week that Jason Taylor could end up being a cap casualty of the Redskins. If this does happen, do you think Belichick will pounce and sign him to a 1- or 2-year cap-friendly type deal? ...
Joe

A: Joe, I'm not sure how much Taylor has left after last season's leg injury, but I'd repeat what I wrote in a recent mailbag: I think it's a slam dunk. I think Jason Taylor is a winner. If he becomes available, the contract numbers are reasonable, and the football evaluation checks out, this is the type of player that I would make an exception on and say "while getting younger is a priority, a Jason Taylor could put you over the top." I'd envision him as an outside linebacker, but also with the flexibility to do different things on third down/obvious passing situations.

It'd be nice for the Redskins to have Jason Taylor back in a 1-2 yr cap friendly scenario. I'm not sure how that's going to happen, though.

I don't think there is any justification for bringing him back for the 2nd year of his current contract.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

'...Vernon Carey is off the market...'

Dang it!!!!

Let's see who's left that the bloggas crave:

Joe Washington
Sammy Smith
Carl Banks
Drew Person
Todd Marinovich
Golden Richards
Jimbo Covert
Matt Suhey
Earl Campbell
James Lofton
Keena Turner
Dan Pastorini
Larry Little
Richard Webb
Trung Candidate
Eric Williams
Chris Slade


Moe says we need to go after Webb, that way, we get the one dolphins' o-lineman we wanted at a position of need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Froms Maske

Jon ended up as the starter at the end of the season," Zorn said. "That hasn't changed. Stephon Heyer is very competitive and so is Jon. It'll be a battle there. But Jon, right now he's our starting right tackle."


WTF! Are you kidding me? He needs to be replaced by Heyer or some one before he gets JC hammered.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 20, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

It'd be nice for the Redskins to have Jason Taylor back in a 1-2 yr cap friendly scenario. I'm not sure how that's going to happen, though.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 20, 2009 1:48 PM |

This is entirely up to Jason -- did he like the Skins enough last year that he would like to play for them another year? If so, he'll take a salary that will make it work. If not, he'll become a free agent and choose where he wants to go. New England has always done well with players like Taylor at the end of their careers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

WTF! Are you kidding me? He needs to be replaced by Heyer or some one before he gets JC hammered.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | February 20, 2009 2:03 PM
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You mean hammered some more...
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 20, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

None of this player chatter means much.

As long as we have this owner, we'll have this dysfunctional organization, i.e., with no legitimate GM and a bunch of toadies sucking up to the owner rather than telling him the truth that he doesn't want to hear. The reason that New England and Pittsburgh show sustained excellence is because of their leadership -- just like every other successful organization of any type. If you read "Good to Great," you'll see that every one of the inarguably great companies are lead by industry- and company lifers, who understand the core business. They hire great people and let those great people set the org's direction. As the book put it, "Get the right people on the bus -- and the wrong people off the bus" -- and let the right people decide where the bus is going.

Snyder is a lifelong fan who desperately wants to make his home team great again, and he's willing to spend whatever he must. That's to his credit, but he's not a lifelong football guy and he simply doesn't understand that he's not. He's a smart guy, so eventually he'll figure it out, but in the meantime we'll continue to have what we have now.

Posted by: salescoach | February 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I was watching some combine coverage on NFL Network last night and both Gruden and Maylock talked in depth about how teams medical staffs look extensively into a players health issues.

Where was our medical staff when looking at M Kelly and R MacIntosh?

Posted by: Devo2 | February 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Who needs a medical staff when the owner himself flies out to scout the workouts??

Anyhow, goodluck to the Mongoose. Appreciate the good healthy years you gave us and I hope the feeling is mutual!

Posted by: p1funk | February 20, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess that means we're definitely going RT with #13....

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 20, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought we only signed old guys?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | February 20, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

spell check is so '90s

Posted by: burbworks | February 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

'...Stephon Heyer is very competitive and so is Jon...'


Heyer is a back up and Jansen will soonbe looking for tv work where he'll be a great color guy announcer.

Let's draft a rt and get this thing over with, people.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 20, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I see it has been over an hour Va blitz and you still have not answered my question from 1:07 about A.J. Smith

Very intersting???????

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Whats the count down till FA?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Never was a huge M. Washington fan. Something just never seemed right when he would make a tackle after a 3-4 yard run and go in to some obsurd dance.

Oh well . . . I won't really miss him or his dancing

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Florio from PFT described the Washington cut well:
"The move frees up $4.5 million in cap space — which will allow the team to make a big splash with another big name who’ll eventually be cut a few years from now to make room for the next big name with which they hope to make a big splash."

That's the Dan Synder way. Make a big splash! But don't forget to flush!

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 20, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Washington was great and his service to the REDSKINS will always be appreciated...but the youth movement for this team must continue from last year's beginning.

Jason Taylor I expect to be gone as well as Sean Springs (unless he takes a paycut and maybe moves to safety).

IMO all are smart moves....and will allow the Redskins to resign Hall & Rogers....or get DRE BLY who they wanted a couple years ago.

And don't be surprised....as I expect the REDSKINS to be after only ONE big priced FA.....

ALBERT HAYNESWORTH. We need him.

Posted by: goosedude | February 20, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Never was a huge Hokie Paul fan. Something just never seemed right when he would complain about a player having enthusiasm and bringing energy to his teammates.

Oh well . . . I won't really miss him or his complaining about kids on his lawn.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | February 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

the redskins official site is claiming that Marcus Washington has been waived already

Posted by: GreatOne1 | February 20, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The average player lasts less than 4 seasons - artifical turf and the increasing weight of players takes a toll on the joints and tendons.

I wish every player well and hope that their stay in the NFL doesn't lead to serious health issues as they age.

Posted by: agapn9 | February 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Good job Skins! Now keep going!

Posted by: harryrainbolt | February 20, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

How much can we save on the cap if Vinny and Danny-boy are released? I'll pack the bags and call the cab.

Posted by: 1of9000 | February 20, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

just a quick comment to zeese, if no one else responded. Cooley just signed a long term deal last offseason, so his is not one year.

But eventually we have to get out of this rut of resigning before contracts are up to push cap numbers out.

This is why we never have a franchise player.

Posted by: Zeebs | February 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Florio from PFT described the Washington cut well:
"The move frees up $4.5 million in cap space — which will allow the team to make a big splash with another big name who’ll eventually be cut a few years from now to make room for the next big name with which they hope to make a big splash."

That's the Dan Synder way. Make a big splash! But don't forget to flush!

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 20, 2009 2:46 PM

I believe the last time the Redskins were big in free agency was back in '06, right?

What a bottle of massengill Florio is. All of the PFT heads worship this clown like he's god or something.

Right that's the way, shovel some BS to the public based on events from 3 years ago.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

gawd you people need lives.........

Posted by: dah1963 | February 20, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Florio didn't make the flush comment, that was the RI blogger's addition.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I need a beer and few cheap, mexican hookers.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I was watching some combine coverage on NFL Network last night and both Gruden and Maylock talked in depth about how teams medical staffs look extensively into a players health issues.

Where was our medical staff when looking at M Kelly and R MacIntosh?
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Well documented from the beginning!! It was reported over and over again that these guys had previous injuries that could hinder their first year or so.

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 20, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot depends on what they decide to do from this point on. They could just cut all the injured/older veterans (I believe Springs would be the only exception in spite of what JLa says) and start rebuilding entirely through the draft. They would have to take some dead cap hits ... perhaps better sooner as opposed to later?

I think they just need to just start drafting OL this year and DL + the odd line backer next year. High rounders may have to go to a corner/safety or two.

They need a strategy that incorporates both "need" and the choice of the best athlete available. They need a strategy that garners more picks not less.

They need to decide now whether Jason Campbell is the one by signing the Steeler's backup and letting him compete for the starting position.

They need so many things ... not the least of which is to get rid of Clinton Portis. I see a downward spiral from this point on for him.

Posted by: periculum | February 20, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

why don't they talk about restructuring Cooley or Landry? they have big contracts but are actually young productive guys we want here for a long time. Griffen staying I'm ok with for sure, but please please please can we cut Springs and Taylor!!!!
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First of all Cooley, Landry, Moss and Samuels are three of the most talked about "restructures" they will try to make!! They just don't announce this stuff in advance!!
I don't think anything will be done with regards to Taylor until F/A and the draft are in the books.
I don't see them cutting Springs since he plays both corner and safety. Too valuable!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | February 20, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Red,

You wouldn't consider Jason Taylor or D Hall a 'big' splash in FA? Maybe not, considering the circumstances that the players were acquired but in the end, they were still picked up or traded for.

Posted by: matthewvickers | February 20, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

zj, my post was based off what is in quotations, it looks like who ever posted it was quoting Florio.

maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

scew DHall, let 'em go and keep CRodgers and bring in two of those FA CB's for the same price as one DHall. Keep Springs, cut Taylor or bring him back for like....vet min (won't happen I know).

if/when DHall DOES hit the open market, he's in for a rude awakening when no one wants to pay big bucks for a disgruntled guy that works until he hits the payday. Good idea by Skins management to let him hit free agency. We might even get him for cheaper than we originally were going to pay.

Trade all our picks this year for Matthew Stafford and all our picks next year for Knowshon Rockwell Moreno.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 20, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS DUMP WASHINGTON
Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2009, 1:59 p.m.

Redskins coach Jim Zorn says that the team will be active in free agency.

They’ve created some cap room for the coming spending spree by cutting linebacker Marcus Washington, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

The move frees up $4.5 million in cap space — which will allow the team to make a big splash with another big name who’ll eventually be cut a few years from now to make room for the next big name with which they hope to make a big splash.

Washington, 31, instantly becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Meanwhile, the Redskins’ approach to free agency has yielded zero Super Bowl appearances and counting during the salary cap era.


he still takes a shot at us at the end, but the flush comment wasn't his

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

No matt, I wouldn't.

Big names, yes. But hardly the big "splashes" or signings Snyder was making earlier this decade.

Addition of Hall & Taylor = Ripples

Randel El & Archuletta = Cesspool Splashes

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"CLEARFIELD, Pa. — A 15-year-old girl from central Pennsylvania faces child pornography charges after police say she sent nude pictures of herself over the Internet.

Clearfield County District Attorney William Shaw says the girl has been charged as a juvenile with possessing, distributing and creating child pornography.

The girl is living with her mother. Authorities say the girl sent the pictures after communicating in June 2007 with a 27-year-old man over the MySpace networking Web site.

The practice has been called "sexting" for the prevalence of teens to transmit images via a cell phone.

Shaw says the man has also been charged with unlawful sexual activity. State police found the images on the man's computer."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 20, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey all - I hate to follow up such a creepy post by the truth, but let's face it, it is...

I'm a movin' back to town on Monday - so the next shabingus, I'm in!

I'll be in Silver Spring - four corners/woodmoor... the Good News - the local bar has ledo's style pizza... the Bad News - it's a dallas bar... aaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!! How the SJK did THAT happen?!?

rok rok AUN!

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 20, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Truth, I thought I put your ass on punishment.

No TV, Internet, video game, or radio.

Go do your homework. Then you eat and go to bed.

Are you listening, boy?

F UGA, F Stafford (He's a B-U-M), Moreno, he's okay.

I don't want to see neither player drafted by Washington, so please keep your wet dreams relgated to your bottom bunk bed.

Thanks, loser.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Marcus, for all the great plays and the energy you displayed on the field.

For a longest time you where one of the few true professionals this team had.

Good Luck, And God Bless.

Posted by: dashriprock | February 20, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Shaw says the man has also been charged with unlawful sexual activity. State police found the images on the man's computer."

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 20, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

And in other news about Mike Vick

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

okay, i thought i distinguished what Florio and the mystery blogger wrote.

all things being equal, Florio is still a blowhard d-bag, in the mold of Colin Cowturd.

both can go suck somethin'.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 20, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

dik,

You'll like Silver Spring. Good choice. Dallas bar? It will be an ugly scene for the regulars for the next few years. They're nothing til they dump Romo.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Most mock drafts have the Eagles taking Moreno....that could be bad. He is a serious upgrade over Correl Brokenleghalter. Moreno and westbrook in the same backfield could spell trouble...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Red-
I just got home and my recycling bin is in the yard again- what the hell did I tell you about that? Stack that f'r next to the trash can in the street.

Posted by: richard_cranium | February 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or am I missing something? the underage girl is in trouble for "created child pron" while the guy she sent it to seems to be in less trouble


wtf?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 20, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Moreno and westbrook in the same backfield could spell trouble...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 20, 2009 4:00 PM |

Moreno went to the "University" of Georgia. Dude couldn't even spell his own name, much less "trouble."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It's always interesting this time of year. Hopeful. But we still have Vinnie, don't we? Oh well. Maybe they'll cut him, and save some money, and the season.

Posted by: coastallp74 | February 20, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

+++Lets convert our 4 picks into 3 2nd rounders...

Posted by: Rypien11++++

How'd having three 2nd rounders work out last year?

+++ take an OG, a DT, and an OLB, and be done on the first day+++


Done the FIRST DAY? The only guys who wer worth a dam were drafted on the SECOND day....

I know the team should trade downk, but let's lt that new personnel guy, the specialist on low round and FA pix have his day. Chances are he'll outperform Vinny...

But then so would that New York chimp--and he's dead.

Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't like it when people like Cowherd or Florio or Pastarelli take shots at the Skins either. But the fact is we have been incredibly dysfunctional since Snyder bought the team, we haven't gotten to even the NFC championship in 17 years and have rarely even been a legit contender for our division. Until we show that the people in charge have half a brain and we win beyond just an occasional sneak into the playoffs there will be plenty of critics and rightly so.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Thats because the current child porn laws are not designed to deal with the facts that we have the internet and we are not puritans at 15.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

++++As long as we have this owner, we'll have this dysfunctional organization, i.e., with no legitimate GM and a bunch of toadies sucking up to the owner rather than telling him the truth that he doesn't want to hear.++salescoach

Okay, salescoach, you'll be hearing from the toadies, most of whom post here defending the dysfunctional FO. They don't cotton to insults to Big Boss Dan and the Vinnster

Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I realize trading MW would have been tough because of his cap $$, but the Skins are eating some of that anyway ... so couldn't they have gotten a #6 pick from a team that needs a backup/situational LB.

MW can still play. He gets hurt too much to be an every down player, but he'd be a terrific role player for some team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I just don't think we can afford to be that team zcezcest

Posted by: alex35332 | February 20, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

nobody would have traded for his contract when they know we have to cut him anyway. Its not Madden where the computer is too stupid to know that we need to dump salary. Why trade a pick for a guy you can sign in a week...

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

+++DAMNIT!!!!!!!!!

Carey, Gross, and Andrews being unavailable really hurt our chances for a good FA tackle.

CRAP.

Posted by: Rypien11++++


I have no idea what that those signings means. No, wait, yes I do. It means good, smart, well run teams VALUE linemen.

Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

My appologies if someone already posted this. But it is a quite funny blog on Yahoo Sports about Marcus Washington and his Dancing (Which I've already mentioned is one of the reasons that I will not really be shedding any tears for #53)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Marcus-Washington-is-Cletus-the-dancing-robot?urn=nfl,142983

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

In the last three years, Washington played in 14, 12, and 10 games. I'd actually thought he missed more time than that. Of course, three of those games he started but didn't finish.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS DUMP WASHINGTON
Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2009, 1:59 p.m.

Redskins coach Jim Zorn says that the team will be active in free agency.

They’ve created some cap room for the coming spending spree by cutting linebacker Marcus Washington, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.

The move frees up $4.5 million in cap space — which will allow the team to make a big splash with another big name who’ll eventually be cut a few years from now to make room for the next big name with which they hope to make a big splash.

Washington, 31, instantly becomes an unrestricted free agent.

Meanwhile, the Redskins’ approach to free agency has yielded zero Super Bowl appearances and counting during the salary cap era.


he still takes a shot at us at the end, but the flush comment wasn't his

Posted by: zjfr2 |

Does Florio do any homework? Aren't we still well over the salary cap even after cutting Marcus? Cutting him was basically a necessity - not so that we could become a big player in free agency. We would have to make a lot of other cuts to do that.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 20, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Cutting him was basically a necessity - not so that we could become a big player in free agency. We would have to make a lot of other cuts to do that.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 20, 2009 4:21 PM

Patience, girl, they're coming. Cutting him was necessary to make a big splash in free agency, but not sufficient.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Springs has got to go next... I would only keep Griffin if they cannot find anyone else, which I am going to guess they won't. Taylor, i would keep and see how he does in training camp. YOu could always cut him if he doesn't look good then. Why hurry into it. He was NFL Defensive MVP a couple of seasons ago and there are not may pass rushers out there. Last year he was injured in a freak accident. Do not bother with Daniels, way too old. Draft Offensive Line with 13th pick.

YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!!

P.S. 11-5 BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | February 20, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

nobody would have traded for his contract when they know we have to cut him anyway. Its not Madden where the computer is too stupid to know that we need to dump salary. Why trade a pick for a guy you can sign in a week...

Posted by: zjfr2

zjfr ... the reason a team trades for Marcus would be to keep him off the open market. The pick is traded for that reason. For a quality LB who can play 50% of the games for 2-3 years more ... a 6th round pick seems fair. I have no doubt several teams ... possibly some in the NFC East ... will look to sign him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't like it when people like Cowherd or Florio or Pastarelli take shots at the Skins either. But the fact is we have been incredibly dysfunctional since Snyder bought the team, we haven't gotten to even the NFC championship in 17 years and have rarely even been a legit contender for our division. Until we show that the people in charge have half a brain and we win beyond just an occasional sneak into the playoffs there will be plenty of critics and rightly so.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 4:05 PM

I like Florio, but otherwise, I agree. I like the roster and like the jerseys. But The Owner's moronic business model for this team makes me question the merit of lumping myself together with him in this collective to which you refer as "we" ... so maybe I agree if you change the places that say "we" to "he."

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

BO, I don't think they quite have the flexibility to quickly cut Springs until they sign Hall (esp. if trading Rogers is something they are seriously considering).

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

And the reason nobody trades for him is he is ridiculously highly paid for playing 7 games a year....they all know that

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"A: Joe, I'm not sure how much Taylor has left after last season's leg injury, but I'd repeat what I wrote in a recent mailbag: I think it's a slam dunk. I think Jason Taylor is a winner"

If by "Jason Taylor is a winner" he means Jason Taylor hasn't won a damn thing in his career, then I completely agree with his assessment.

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Jason Taylor will be back next year and be the player he should have been this year. The thing is that the Skins can't afford to pay him what he pre-negotiated, but he'll be able to get just a little bit more than what the Skins would be willing to pay him.

Are there any positive words that rhyme with "doom" and "gloom"?

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

zjfr ... the reason a team trades for Marcus would be to keep him off the open market.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2009 4:38 PM

Zeke, If they trade for him, they get his $6 million salary. If he "hits the open market" they pay the league min. I personally would be surprised if he plays another season given his injury history.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"doom" and "gloom"?

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2009 4:45 PM |

bedroom?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

T_E, Marcus isn't that old and he knows that he's not getting $6mil anyway, so I'm not sure that the salary thing couldn't have been worked out

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Ah Redskin fans who crowed over 'stealing' Marcus Washington from the Steelers, how many championships have the Steelers won just during his contract? Would that be 2 more to total up to 6?

Keep on thinking that you will have a championship team filled with free agents. It's worked so well for you up till now.

At least Randle-El got to hang out with his old team as a reporter for NFL network and got such nice cash from Danny Boy. That was another 'brilliant' move.

Pathetic, is what the Redskins have become, and even though I'm not a fan, I'm sorry for it.

Posted by: JohnLease | February 20, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm The Truth, baby!!


Red = obvious HATER

Posted by: TheTruth11 | February 20, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic, is what the Redskins have become, and even though I'm not a fan, I'm sorry for it.

Posted by: JohnLease | February 20, 2009 5:01 PM

What? You're not a fan? You sure fooled me. You sound like half the other fans on this blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Ah Redskin fans who crowed over 'stealing' Marcus Washington from the Steelers, how many championships have the Steelers won just during his contract? Would that be 2 more to total up to 6?

Keep on thinking that you will have a championship team filled with free agents. It's worked so well for you up till now.

At least Randle-El got to hang out with his old team as a reporter for NFL network and got such nice cash from Danny Boy. That was another 'brilliant' move.

Pathetic, is what the Redskins have become, and even though I'm not a fan, I'm sorry for it.

Posted by: JohnLease

Huh? Marcus Washington played for the Colts - not the Steelers!

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 20, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

For years now I have been preaching -

"Establish the run. Stop the run."

That is how you win the NFC East.

Now allow me to tell you why a DT is the first position that the Skins should draft.

A lethal DT can stuff the run; collapse the pocket making any DE look better; and keep blockers off of the aging ML Fletcher.

OL take time to develop. They rarely come in and contribute right away. Get some OL in FA. The NFL game needs smart veterans on the OL; do not adress OL through the draft, do it through FA.

Draft a small college back that can spell Portis and trade Betts for a 3rd rounder...

After we draft the top rated DT; draft a few LBs....

This is the most efficient way to get 2 or 3 more wins out of this team...

Posted by: oldnova | February 20, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

When do they cut Jason Campbell?

Posted by: rjclay | February 20, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: oldnova | February 20, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

hahahhahahaa, trade betts for a 3rd, hahahhahahhahaha, nobody would trade anything above a 5th maybe for Betts. He's old now, injury and fumble prone. If Raji is gone we don't reach for a DT at 13.

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 20, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok so it saves 4 mill.....Where are they with the cap now that Washington has been cut? They under?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 20, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Ah Redskin fans who crowed over 'stealing' Marcus Washington from the Steelers, how many championships have the Steelers won just during his contract? Would that be 2 more to total up to 6?

Keep on thinking that you will have a championship team filled with free agents. It's worked so well for you up till now.

At least Randle-El got to hang out with his old team as a reporter for NFL network and got such nice cash from Danny Boy. That was another 'brilliant' move.

Pathetic, is what the Redskins have become, and even though I'm not a fan, I'm sorry for it.

Posted by: JohnLease | February 20, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

That's all great but an important error in your rant is that Washington Did not play for the steelers.....He was with the colts...So that leaves your point to be???? WHAT!???

Posted by: leevi98 | February 20, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I read this blog but the more you read here the more you realize...NOBODY KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! LOl everyone acts like they know everything but yet none of you are a GM hell not even a quality control coach on a high school staff...LOL JOke

Posted by: leevi98 | February 20, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

He was with the colts...So that leaves your point to be???? WHAT!???

Posted by: leevi98 | February 20, 2009 5:59 PM

Leevi,

Colts couldn't afford to re-sign him. We were bidding against the Steelers. So his point was that we won the battle, not the war.

Not sure why you go on a Redskins blog with that, but then the guy is a Steelers fan so he doesn't have anything to do when they're not playing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator so they save 4.5 I beleive I read in the cap...so where is the cap number now...They under yet?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 20, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

++++Not sure why you go on a Redskins blog with that, but then the guy is a Steelers fan so he doesn't have anything to do when they're not playing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

I dunno, he could always wander down to Steeler HQ and look at their Super Bowl Trophy.

Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

i forget who posted this but the Skins second rounders since the turn of the century:
Fred Smoot
Ladell Betts
Taylor Jacobs
Rocky McIntosh
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly
Fred Davis

Jacobs is long gone, but I tend to excuse anything that happen during the Ball Coach Era. Smoot, Betts, and McIntosh all turned out OK, injuries notwithstanding.

Let's compare them with our NFL model franchise, New England:

00 Adrian Klemmmm OL
01 Matt Light, OL
02 Deion Branch, WR
03 Eugene Wilson, DB
03 Bethel Johnson
04 Marquise Hill, DL
05 Chad Jackson WR
08 Terrence Wheatley, DB

Well, Light turned out great, and Deion Branch has been more than adequate at times, Bethel Johnson looked all world for a minute and half. Maybe Wheatley will turn into something, the way Devin Thomas, Kelly, and Fred Davis might.

But overall, allowing for the Skins history of fewer choices, I'd call it a draw.

Which has to be a mistake because Bill Belichick is a genius, and the Skins FO is completely incompetent.

Isn't it?

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"Adrian Klemmmm OL"

I'm channeling Michael Buffer here.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"OL take time to develop. They rarely come in and contribute right away.

Posted by: oldnova"

It's actually the opposite. Offensive line is widely regarded as one of the easiest positions to come in and play at a high level from the beginning (along with RB). Just to name a few from the past couple years: Jake Long, Sam Baker, Ryan Clady, Joe Thomas, Tony Ugoh, Marcus McNeil, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Marshal Yanda, and Joe Staley.

Posted by: psps23 | February 20, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

hi

Posted by: rickyroge | February 20, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

wanna compare NE 6th round picks vs ours?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 20, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"doom" and "gloom"?

Posted by: dcsween | February 20, 2009 4:45 PM |

bedroom?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 20, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!

Kofi Kingston, anyone?

Posted by: RITCA | February 20, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

psps:"Offensive line is widely regarded as one of the easiest positions to come in and play at a high level from the beginning (along with RB). Just to name a few from the past couple years: Jake Long, Sam Baker, Ryan Clady, Joe Thomas, Tony Ugoh, Marcus McNeil, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold, Marshal Yanda, and Joe Staley."

Interesting point. I can't recall hearing any line coach ever say that. I can recall hearing them say the opposite -- particularly the two most challenging positions, center and left tackle. And many O-linemen do seem to take several years to develop.

Still, that's an impressive list. I'm wondering if there isn't an alterative explanation. Such as offensive coordinators altering their scheme to 'protect' young linemen (like the Chargers did with McNeil, who hasn't been as effective since his first year.)

Otherwise I would expect that outside DL positions are more like RB in terms of requiring less of a learning curve.

But one thing Joe Bugel always said was that OL players are usually the smartest guys on the team. Not that he was biased or anything...

Posted by: Samson151 | February 20, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Marcus-Washington-is-Cletus-the-dancing-robot?urn=nfl,142983

Posted by: HokiePaul | February 20, 2009 4:14 PM
===========================================
I couldn't watch that at work. But now, there is no question in my mind: Marcus Washington is owed BIG BUCKS by FAUX.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 20, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Alber Haynesworth would be a huge bust. Next to Ray Lewis, he's the most overrated player in the league. This is the guy who stomped on another player. Need to cut Jason Taylor, doesn't fit our defensive scheme and is to old. Wouldn't be an impact player. We need to cut Springs and secure Hall. We need to trade Rogers for a OLB and draft a DE.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | February 20, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's some pretty good cap stats (unofficial)

http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

This one's a bit different but it's the one I went by last year and it turned out to be accurate:

http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/27715-current-redskins-salary-cap-status-2009-a.html

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 20, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Rocky McIntosh's medical history was deeply looked into - this is why he slipped into the 2nd round, with a healthy knee he would of easily been top 15 material.

Posted by: cbshr22 | February 21, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

trade Carlos Rogers? are you madd?? he is finally starting to what we thought we were drafting in 05. I think he can surprise some people next year - especially alongside Hall.

Posted by: cbshr22 | February 21, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I meant "starting to be"


trade Carlos Rogers? are you madd?? he is finally starting to be what we thought we were drafting in 05. I think he can surprise some people next year - especially alongside Hall.

Posted by: cbshr22 | February 21, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

cbshr22: "Rocky McIntosh's medical history was deeply looked into - this is why he slipped into the 2nd round, with a healthy knee he would of easily been top 15 material."

I'm recalling it differently. There were two LBs on everybody's list that season: Chad Greenway from Iowa, and Bobby Carpenter from Ohio State. They went in the first and McIntosh came on very strong late (including at the post-season workouts) and was rated a late first or early 2nd rounder by the time the Skins drafted him. He had had some injury problems in college but his superb late performances reassured everybody. Then of course he got hurt again in his first year.

No other second-round LBs that year. A bunch went in the 3rd, 4th, and 5th rounds, including Freddy Keiaho.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 21, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

"For years now I have been preaching - ..."

Posted by: oldnova | February 20, 2009 5:39 PM

For years ... to the bathroom mirror? Over at extremeskins.com? Clearly the intro of a long-time wise sage ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 21, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

lol @ sween.

Didn't take you too many cups of coffee this A.M. to get your needlepoint going...
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 21, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

There goes a lot of fun, we'll miss you. He made every Sunday fun, I'll miss his awesome personality. I mean, I've never seen Marcus frown, he's always so happy. :) Hopefully he can find another team.

Posted by: rachel216 | February 21, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

This guy (here using his head, but not in a good way) has dropped from being a third round prospect to where he is now, thanks to liquor troubles.

Alex Boone, Ohio State
Height: 6-7. Weight: 328.
Projected 40 Time: 5.23.
Combine 40 Time: .
Benchx225: 33. Arm: .
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.

It might be worth using our late round pick on him, if we haven't addressed OT earlier. If I recall correctly, people were talking up Orakpo as a top 5 pick until the Fiesta Bowl, when somebody from OSU blocked him.

That somebody was Alex Boone.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 21, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Still, that's an impressive list. I'm wondering if there isn't an alterative explanation.

Posted by: Samson151"

Well, I think part if it has to do with the fact that a majority of the names I listed were mid-to-high first round picks, and I believe ALL were in the first 2 rounds. Still, that's where we stand with our one valuable draft pick, so I don't see why it we couldn't expect someone to come in and at the very least challenge for a position. But I do think that the middle and later round offensive line selections do have a much harder time transitioning (then again, so do all positions in the middle and later rounds).

Posted by: psps23 | February 21, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Albert Haynesworth would be a huge bust. Next to Ray Lewis, he's the most overrated player in the league. This is the guy who stomped on another player."

do not forget, that the player he stomped on was a cowboy

i'll take haynesworth "cowboy killer" any day

Posted by: supuradam | February 21, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"Alber Haynesworth would be a huge bust. Next to Ray Lewis, he's the most overrated player in the league. This is the guy who stomped on another player. Need to cut Jason Taylor, doesn't fit our defensive scheme and is to old. Wouldn't be an impact player. We need to cut Springs and secure Hall. We need to trade Rogers for a OLB and draft a DE.

Posted by: all_star_0013"

Aside from the fact that you just listed the 2 defensive leaders on 2 of the most dominant defenses in the league as "overrated" (1 of whom has led arguably the greatest and most consistent defense of the past 10+ years), your analysis of needs is most certainly flawed. You want to cut Springs AND trade Rogers? So you want Smoot to start and TRYON to be the nickel CB? I sincerely hope you're kidding.

Aside from that, DT is a far more crucial position to this defense than either OLB or DE (both of whom have very modest production, despite the fact that this defense is great). That's why Marcus Washington was cut, Jason Taylor is a prime candidate to be cut, while Cornelius Griffin is looked to be extended (or at the very least, re-worked). This defense doesn't work without a dominant DT. Can't say the same about the OLB or DE.

Posted by: psps23 | February 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

++++Not sure why you go on a Redskins blog with that, but then the guy is a Steelers fan so he doesn't have anything to do when they're not playing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator++++

I dunno, he could always wander down to Steeler HQ and look at their Super Bowl Trophy.

Posted by: TheCork | February 20, 2009 6:20 PM

Yeah Cork, that sounds like lots of fun! So in the off season a Steelers fan can choose between looking at the trophy or posting on RI?

What a life!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 21, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

psps wrote-

"DT is a far more crucial position to this defense than either OLB or DE (both of whom have very modest production, despite the fact that this defense is great)."

Amen brother.

A dominant DT makes both your DE and secondary look great. If you look at the Hall of Fame corners... most had a dominant DL to play behind which forced the QB into mistakes.

You want your best players closest to the ball when it is snapped!

Posted by: oldnova | February 21, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

oldnova: "You want your best players closest to the ball when it is snapped!"

On defense? I thought you wanted your best players closest to the ball when it was tackled.

You gotta stop reading those back issues of Reader's Digest

Posted by: Samson151 | February 21, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

psps23: "DT is a far more crucial position to this defense than either OLB or DE (both of whom have very modest production, despite the fact that this defense is great). That's why Marcus Washington was cut, Jason Taylor is a prime candidate to be cut, while Cornelius Griffin is looked to be extended (or at the very least, re-worked). This defense doesn't work without a dominant DT. Can't say the same about the OLB or DE."

Can't say I follow along with this. Nobody's arguing the importance of interior DL. But last season at least, when this defense didn't 'work', it was because it lacked a consistent, pressuring rush.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 21, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Aside from the fact that you just listed the 2 defensive leaders on 2 of the most dominant defenses in the league as "overrated" (1 of whom has led arguably the greatest and most consistent defense of the past 10+ years), your analysis of needs is most certainly flawed. You want to cut Springs AND trade Rogers? So you want Smoot to start and TRYON to be the nickel CB? I sincerely hope you're kidding.

Aside from that, DT is a far more crucial position to this defense than either OLB or DE (both of whom have very modest production, despite the fact that this defense is great). That's why Marcus Washington was cut, Jason Taylor is a prime candidate to be cut, while Cornelius Griffin is looked to be extended (or at the very least, re-worked). This defense doesn't work without a dominant DT. Can't say the same about the OLB or DE."

Ray Lewis may 'lead', but he doesn't make any more tackles (or sacks, interceptions, tackles for losses) than any other average player at that position. Their defense is good because they have Reed, Suggs and great schemes.

Why hold Springs? He's rarely active for games. He looks good on the sidelines? We need a OLB and DE to pressure the QBs. Yes, our defense was good without production at the position. BUT, would COULD it be with some players that put pressure?

I watched Haynesworth closely, the Titans defense would be good without him.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | February 21, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Injuries stink but the Redskins put themselves in this situation by overpaying Free Agents and trading away cheaper draft picks. Marcus was asked to do too much over the years because his Linemen are old and stinky. Now Marcus will get healthy and win the Superbowl somewhere else.

Posted by: jercha | February 23, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

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