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Marcus Washington Still Looking for a Team

Former Skins linebacker Marcus Washington remains an un-signed free agent, but is intent on playing football this season. Washington parted with longtime agent Pat Dye a few weeks back, and signed with Joel Turner, who also represents safety Ryan Clark, another former Redskin and one of Washington's closest friends.

After releasing him in February, the Redskins made one attempt to re-sign Washington, offering a one-year veteran-minimum deal, according to team sources. Washington quickly rejected it, and, according to several Redskins players, had no intention of returning to the team. The Redskins have since signed a few linebackers, moved end Chris Wilson to linebacker and drafted hybrid linebacker Brian Orakpo, so the chances of any need or want on their end at this point are essentially nonexistent.

Turner said that roughly six teams have called to express interest in Washington, a Redskin from 2004-2008 and someone who was respected for his work ethic, tenacity and leadership. However, he has not received any offers to this point. Turner remains confident his player could make significant contributions after being slowed by recurring injuries the past two seasons.

To that end, Washington has been working out with Clark in Tempe, Ariz. (Clark recently was in D.C. to join his Steelers teammates at the White House to commemorate their Super Bowl win).

"He's working out with the same guy Ryan Clark worked out with for the last three or four years," Turner said. "Ryan had to do a complete overhaul of his body after his spleen and gallbladder problems, and this guy did a marvelous job with him and Ryan busted his butt.

"Marcus went with Ryan to workout with the same guy, and he's doing great and he feels like he's in better shape than he's been in three or four years. I know he's been in the league a little while, but he still has an awful lot to give and he really wants to play and he feels like he's got the ability to come in and compete for a starting place and provide from a leadership and work-ethic standpoint as well."

While certainly there are no signs pointing to a reunion with the Redskins, Turner said he and his client rule nothing out.

"There are only 32 places to play, so you certainly want to give anyone who is interested the opportunity to talk with you. If anyone is interested we are willing to talk. We don't want to exclude anybody based on certain factors."

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 27, 2009; 12:15 PM ET
 
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Wotz Washington on?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

so according to the last thread, Jordan never could "do it by himself".

Dumbest thing I think I've ever seen on here. And most ignorant. Does someone really think Jordan never won a championship?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Um - he didn't say his Airness didn't win a championship. I think he was saying he needed Scotty or something.

But I think I agree w/ your gist, Truth. I think Jordan coulda won it with anyone.

...of course that'll happen if you get a foul when someone breathes in your direction... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Jason, it seems to me that this is a non-issue. The Skins are fairly set at defense, no? With the little cap space they have left, shouldn't they be trying to get more pieces to fill the gaping holes in their offensive line? They need another center with some sort of college/pro experience snapping, and they need to add depth to their at tackle, badly. I didn't want it to come to this, but I actually think they should try to grab Jon Runyan at a one-year minimum, or if there are ANY tackles that can play still left out there, the Skins should be trying everyone out since injuries are almost a given with the starters at this point.

Posted by: jpwjr1199 | May 27, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Marcus Washington Still Looking for a Team"


Well, this is different.

Usually, given his injury hisory with the skins, Marcus Washington is looking for a doctor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Does someone really think Jordan never won a championship?
Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 27, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Not without Pippen, Grant, Rodman, Cartwright, Paxon...you know, supporting cast that actually stepped up?

I understand that a Bobcats fan may not have a grasp of what a good team or even a superstar basketball player is but even a superstar can't do it himself.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

But I think I agree w/ your gist, Truth. I think Jordan coulda won it with anyone.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Les Boullez would beg to differ.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"...I think Jordan coulda won it with anyone..."

Jordan also won in an NBA where the all around talent and play was much better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Anonymous sources that are familiar with situations like to be familiar with the situation while speaking on a condition of anonymity", said a source familiar with the situation who spoke on a condition of anonymity.

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 27, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I like the NBA but none of these teams would have made the playoffs in the 70s, 80s or early 90s. Expansion (not players skipping college) has killed the quality of play in the "leg" as Hubie would say. You have guys starting or playing heavy minutes that would not have a made an NBA roster. The Spurs-Cavs final made my eyes hurt.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

lmao, etrod. I said Jordan, not Jordan w/ a walker and hearing aid.

And this is for Moe: badumpbump.

Oh and Washington is on the ONE. As in FIRST, sukkards!

hehe.

...maps..

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Jordan was the best player in a very good NBA. But he won when he was the centerpiece of arguably the best team in NBA history.

He came into the league in 1984 and was the best player in the league by 1987, several years before he won anything. But until he was surrounded with talent, he didn't win jack.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington: What does it say about a team when the starter from the year prior cannot even find a job when released?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

This team or group was the best Bulls team:

Michael Jordan
Scotty Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Bill Wennington
Tony Kukco
Bill Paxton
Bill Cartwright
Horace Grant

And their best games: any playoff game against the Knicks of Riley or Trailblazers of Clyde D.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

but even a superstar can't do it himself.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 27, 2009 12:29 PM

How about that play where the guy inbounds the ball, it bounces off of an opponent's back and he picks it up and scores. The guy wasn't even a superstar and he did it himself!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 27, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Screw Jordan and the Bulls!! I thought this was a Redskins forum..

Posted by: scottmando | May 27, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Jordan??? isn't this a Redskins forum??

Posted by: scottmando | May 27, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Bulls obviously had one of the great teams of all time. They probably had the best defensive team ever when Harper was the guard next to MJ. Four top defenders in Harper, Rodman, Pippen and Jordan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but getting rid of him was a good move by the skins. He's certainly a likable guys who did good for the team -- but with the injuries, missed games, level of play, he's clearly passing / passed his prime. Does anyone really think that a)he will find a new team and become a major impact started, b) he's likely to appear in the Pro Bowl at the end of the season, or c) help take a team to the playoffs. I think that based on the past few seasons, the answer to all of those questions is a resounding no. That being said, he certainly would make a great backup on the Redskins at league minimum -- there's no question that he can do that. We also have to give credit where credit is deserved. This is one that Dan Snyder got right. In prior years (with Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders) he paid WAY TOO MUCH for players in the twilight of their careers -- who's performance on the field for the Redskins certainly wasn't commensurate with their salaries -- ever heard of Jason Taylor.

Posted by: blackmanhl | May 27, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

duhh - I meant Truth. Srry T_E.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 11:37 AM |

It's good. Truth and I are two peas in a pod, practically the same guy. We're both mellow regulars. People confuse us all the time. Here's about the only difference: I'm the normal guy who went to Georgia Tech and Truth's the whack-job who pulls for Georgia. Otherwise, no diff.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but getting rid of him was a good move by the skins. He's certainly a likable guys who did good for the team -- but with the injuries, missed games, level of play, he's clearly passing / passed his prime ...

Hate to be the harbinger of bad news but both Haynesworth and Hall are renowned for exactly the same thing! Haynesworth has yet to complete an entire season. In the past, Hall also had those sort of issues.

The difference? They are younger, but their work ethic probably isn't as good as Marcus Washington's.

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me fans won't be mentioning Washington in the same discussions as Smith, Sanders & Taylor.

...though I think I see your point, there would be no reason to ever offer Washington that kind of $$

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

"They need another center with some sort of college/pro experience snapping, and they need to add depth to their at tackle, badly. I didn't want it to come to this, but I actually think they should try to grab Jon Runyan at a one-year minimum, or if there are ANY tackles that can play still left out there, the Skins should be trying everyone out since injuries are almost a given with the starters at this point.Posted by: jpwjr1199"

Best offensive free agents as of May 14:
http://hou.scout.com/a.z?s=116&p=2&c=864660

There are possibilities at all interior line positions.

Posted by: fwroy | May 27, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington: What does it say about a team when the starter from the year prior cannot even find a job when released?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 12:47 PM

Nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Actually I just finished looking at all the UFA's still out there on NFL.com (have nothing to do right now).
There are a bunch of OLB's out there right now worth a look at.

Vets worth a shot:

McGinest, Willie
Brooks, Derrick

But I would go after :

Tinoisamoa, Pisa had 100+ tackles for STL last year
Crowder, Channing had 115 tackels for MIA (ILB not an OLB)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

lol, T_E

Yeh, not much to be said for those SEC'ers - Though them yellow jackets are kinda pesky, too.

... they have been to mah 'Canes, anyway. Oh well, at least you're ACC.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

the Skins did the right thing in getting rid of Marcus. Just wasn't worth the $$. Marcus needs to be patient and let the opportunities come to him.

When the season is 8 games old and some team in the playoff hunt is hurting at OLB, Marcus should get a call ... and he can name his price at that point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have since signed a few linebackers, moved end Chris Wilson to linebacker and drafted hybrid linebacker Brian Orakpo, so the chances of any need or want on their end at this point are essentially nonexistent."

The Skins may not 'need or want' any LBs at this point ... but what they have is 1 (aging) stud, 1 good player with bad knees and about 7 question marks.

The Skins are not set at LB unless some of the question marks become quality players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

When the season is 8 games old and some team in the playoff hunt is hurting at OLB, Marcus should get a call ... and he can name his price at that point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 1:50 PM

Was there ever a player signed eight games into the season that got more than the minimum? Eight games into the season the guy's so out of football shape that he's worthless. These guys are the mothball fleet of the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Jordan couldn't get past Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons. It was proof positive that the best team, not just the best player, wins championships.

I think LeBron is proving the same lesson right now. He's putting up huge numbers, but not winning games against the Magic. I personally believe Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever to play the game (at various times leading the NBA in scoring, rebounds, and even *assists*!), but he didn't win a champoinship until he got to a better team, with Gail Goodrich and Jerry West (you know, the guy whose image is on the NBA's official logo.)

Does this relate to the Skins? Indeed it does. If the O-line is fixed, we don't need a "superstar" QB or WR. Eliminating that fundamental weakness on offense will make us a much, much better TEAM.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Said it before and will say it again. Forget the old timers. go after these two young guys:

Tinoisamoa, Pisa had 100+ tackles for STL last year
Crowder, Channing had 115 tackels for MIA (ILB not an OLB)

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Never mind on Crowder, aparently NFL.com is way out of date on who the UFA's are in the NFL. But Pisa is still out there.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Moe - Bill Paxton is the actor, I believe. Youre thinking of John Paxson.

And Paxson, Cartwright, and Grant were never on the team at the same time as Wennington, Kukoc, or Rodman. (maybe overlap in 93 or 94 a bit, but never for a championship.)

Jordan used to get fouls, but at least he would have to shoot the ball first.

The way the NBA is now, if you put the ball on the ground and drive, its a foul.

The league is worse (less talent) and the reffing is SIGNIFICANTLY worse.

Ever since the 2002 WCF debacle, its been downhill.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I meant 94 or 95.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You sure it wasn't Bill Paxton? After he would hit a three pointer he would shout - "GAME OVER!!!!"

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

There have been a few transactions for offensive linemen since May 14, i.e.,
Lions | Salaam signed
Thu, 21 May 2009 10:04:20 -0700

The Detroit News reports the Detroit Lions have signed free-agent OT Ephraim Salaam (Texans). Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Giants | Reyes signed
Thu, 21 May 2009 15:37:01 -0700

Michael Eisen, of Giants.com, reports the New York Giants have signed unrestricted free-agent OG Tutan Reyes (Jaguars). Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

Saints | Flanagan waived
Sat, 23 May 2009 06:02:38 -0700

The Associated Press reports the New Orleans Saints have waived OG Shawn Flanagan.

Patriots | Duckett, Listorti waived
Tue, 26 May 2009 14:58:40 -0700

Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports the New England Patriots have waived OL Damane Duckett and TE Brad Listorti.
http://www.kffl.com/transactions.php/NFL

Posted by: fwroy | May 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

When the season is 8 games old and some team in the playoff hunt is hurting at OLB, Marcus should get a call ... and he can name his price at that point.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 1:50 PM

Was there ever a player signed eight games into the season that got more than the minimum? Eight games into the season the guy's so out of football shape that he's worthless. These guys are the mothball fleet of the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator


Most guys want to get paid for the entire year, so if they are talented, they aren't at home when the season starts.

But I'm not sure that's the best approach for a guy like Marcus. The main question is durability. The man has talent.

If I'm a team with a dinged up OLB that's 5-3, would I call Marcus? You bet. Do LBs in the NFL get injured? Of course.

The issue here is that a problem will show up ... somewhere. Marcus is worth more when he is solving a specific team problem than he is when training camp starts.

As for being in or out of shape, that's up to the guy's conditioning discipline. We all know that most vet starters need less than 1 game's worth of snaps in preseason to be ready. Marcus, being a vet, will understand the defense quickly.

fwiw, Kendall can employ the same approach. Wait until a team loses their starting LG (we know that will happen, we just don't know when and where) -- Kendall's value to that team will be much higher than it is right now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

zeke,

These old guys -- Kendall, Washington -- will either get the league minimum for eight games or for a whole year. If they turn it down, the GM just calls the next name on his list. Neither can command anything more than that -- it's the reason that the union negotiated for a vet min.

Both of them had unrealistic expectations when they turned down the 'Skins. Kendall wants to be a starter? Washington was insulted by the vet min? They'll be watching the games on TV like the rest of us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

alex

Didn't the fins resign Crowder?

Ryp, you got me on the Bulls roster mixup.

And Bill Paxton is the "Big Love" guy, not and exec with the Bulls, John Paxton.

Speaking of Big Love, mad respect goes out to Iron Mike Tyson.

Yes: it's a redskin blog, but Mike T has redeemed himself in my mind and losing a kid is terrible for anybody.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I can't agree the talent in the NBA is worse than it used to be. The NBA has gone international, and in my humble opinion, the talent pool is deeper. Players like Turkalo, Nowitzki, and Gasol are legitimate superstars who would have been featured stars in any previous era.

The difference today is the talent pool is so much bigger, you have more players who can physically do some of the same things *only* Dr J could do in the game of yesteryear; more players who can dish the ball like only Magic and Bird used to; and more players who can score like only Jordan used to do. Allen Iverson is a modern day Lloyd Free (later, World B. Free) or George "Iceman" Gervin.

The rules have changed, so I don't think teams today can afford to carry brute goons like they used to (Rick Mahorn, Kermit Washington, Bill Laimbeer types). Most teams carry real ballers at every position who have actual basketball skills.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington is going to have to come to the same realization as Phillip Daniels did. At this point he is a vet min salary guy due to his age and injury issues. And he won't be collecting that salary in DC because his pride got in the way.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | May 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"....The way the NBA is now, if you put the ball on the ground and drive, its a foul..."


So true.

It hurts to watch the games.

Thing is: whereas I don't like the college game, I will admit the officating there is more consistent.

The foul call on D Howard as he blocked LeBron's 3-point shot at the end of the Friday's night's close game symbolizes the weakness of the NBA star-driven system of officating.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Alan - you may be right about the talent pool, but I still think the level of play has diminished. Maybe its the number of guys jumping from HS/early college... maybe its a lack of fundamentals.... maybe its too many teams.... but I can't help but think of teams like the 90s Jazz, Rockets, Sonics, Knicks.... teams which were top 5 teams back then... but I think that nowadays any of those teams would win a championship this year.

The league was tougher back then and players had to be tougher and more well rounded, IMO.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe
Yes he did. NFL.com for some lame reason is slow at tracking signings.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Of course, I gave up being an NBA fan after the Kings got screwed in 2002. After MJ retired, I started cheering for White Chocolate and the Kings (still got my J-Will jersey), and that 2002 Lakers series was the biggest injustice in sports since the '98 MLB steroid nonsense.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Rypien - It's hard to argue with what you're saying about the diminished level of play.

Every 4 years, the US puts up a tremendously talented team of individuals to face off in the Olympics, and recently they've faced stiff challenges--even lost--to "lesser" teams who actually play like a team. There's something to be said about solid team play vs excellent individual players.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"...I personally believe Wilt Chamberlain was the most dominant player ever to play the game..."

If Wilt Chamberlain faced teams featuring 2-3 other 6-11, 7 foot guys, I'd believe that.

But he didn't, and I don't.

Here's a good question to research--Who faced the best talent in his career and can argue from there he is the best center ever?:

Hakeem Olajuwon

David Robinson

Wilt Chamberlain

Pat Ewing

Shaquille O'Neal

Lew Alcindor, aka Kareem Jabbar

Moses Malone

Robert Parrish

Kevin McHale

Moe takes Hakeem Olajuwon as he faced guys his own size night in and night out, and still dominated.

He's got rings, too.

A lot of the players from back in the day were dunking on midgets: and what does that ever prove?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Moe - out of your list, its either Hakeem (he dominated Robinson and Ewing), Wilt, or Shaq.

McHale played more of a power forward, I believe. Malone too? Didn't watch enough of Moses.

Kareem was consistently great for a long time, but don't know if he was as dominant.

Shaq was extremely dominant, but he lacked game facing the basket/outside of 5 feet.

Wilt played against midgets.

Hakeem could do it all. Of course, he can thank MJ for retiring.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

Question 1: How many other 6'9" point guards did Magic Johnson face?

Question 2: Does that diminish his acheivements?

Wilt was the most dominant ever, the height of his competition notwithstanding (and keeping in mind they could triple and quadruple team him if they wanted to, which they did).

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

But what about the greatest winner ever, Bill Russell?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Wilt's accomplishments off the court are just as immpressive as on it.

Hakeem is the best for my money. sickest post moves ever.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

ryp nailed it.

Russell is the winner, 10/10, twice on Sunday. No one won more championships than he did. No one changed the game like he did.

Game

Set

Match

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Mista -- on the Wilt front, I asked a question a few years ago. Take the top 100 scoring games of all time, separate it into 2 groups. See which group scored more points.

Group 1: Wilt
Group 2: EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE LEAGUE COMBINED!!!

The man's scoring numbers are so outrageous that his numbers dominated the all time list.

There is no guy in any other sport with a guy who has done anything close to comparable. Seriously, one guy's best performances vs everyone else in league history? Unreal.

What makes Wilt so remarkable, is that you can ask that same question about rebounding, too!! He was actually a MORE dominant rebounder than he was scorer.

Wilt pulled down 55 rebounds vs Russell and the Celtics. As Russell once said, "55 rebounds and I saw every one of them!"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

No more talking bball with Moe. The fact that he could make a list of bigs and not include one William Felton Russell (you know the anchor of a team that won 11 titles including two with him playing and coaching) and disparage the Big Dipper shows he lacks the bona fides to discuss the sport.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You know people like to b*tch and moan about the Sac Kings getting hosed in the '02 WCF, but no one likes to talk about how in that same series, Vlade Divac started doing a practice, or an art to some, we effectionally know as f'n floppin'.

Yeah, the Lakers got most of the calls, but that team had Shaq the best player at that time. I don't know why people act stunned when NBA stars and their teams get preferential teatment. They have since the golden age of Magic and Bird. So LeBron getting the calls didn't surprise me at all.

Oh, and Dwayne Wade attempting more free throws than the ENTIRE Dallas Mavericks team during the '06 finals screams more of a conspiracy theory than the '02 WCF.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Red - this wasn't preferential star treatment, which happens all the time. This was a deliberately fixed game by the refs.

I watched it on youtube a couple days ago. Even the announcers knew something was going on. The Lakers shot 27 free throws in the FOURTH QUARTER ALONE@!!!! Thats the most disgusting stat I've ever seen. All the papers the next day were screaming the same thing - conspiracy. I knew it as I was watching it.

Flopping is ugly, but it doesn't always work. Vlade would get a call or two, but just as often they would ignore it. He did it because Shaq would just put his shoulder down and run over people, and wouldn't get called. Fair is fair.

Youre right about Wade though, that one was almost as bad - but a product of bad officiating, not CONSPIRACY like the Kings - Lakers.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Why did Shaq have to face the basket when no one on the face of this earth could stop him on the block? Not Hakeem, Not Ewing, Not Robinson, Wilt, or Russell - about 40, 50 years ago.

The fact that Shaq couldn't front you means nothing. He was the most dominant NBA player ever seen, period. Especially given the era which he played.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Shaq was dominant. I just don't think he was as complete a player as Hakeem.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Why did Shaq have to face the basket when no one on the face of this earth could stop him on the block? Not Hakeem, Not Ewing, Not Robinson, Wilt, or Russell - about 40, 50 years ago.

The fact that Shaq couldn't front you means nothing. He was the most dominant NBA player ever seen, period. Especially given the era which he played.

Posted by: RedDMV


Red, you haven't seen much. How many times did Shaq average 20 boards a game for an entire year? How many times did he average 40 points a game for an entire year?

Wilt's numbers are almost like comic book stuff. One year, he averaged 27 boards a game and had 3 years where he was over 25 boards a game. He had about 6 seasons scoring 40+. He had one season where he led the league in scoring and rebounding ... and was 3rd in assists!! One season, he did lead the league in assists. They didn't count blocked shots in Wilt's time, otherwise he'd likely hold many of those records as well

Wilt's numbers are so out there, people just can't grasp how dominant he was. His biggest problem? The Celtics had a better team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Red, I see were also a student at the school of if I didn't see it it doesn't matter. How old were you during the '95 NBA Finals? If memory serves me correctly, Shaq had to ride home on a broom courtesy of the Dream.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Ryp, you can argue the fact that Wade's FA attempts were fixed by David Stern and his officials... It's well known that Stern doesn't care too much for Mark Cuban.

At the time of their implosion, the Mavs were up 3-1, I believe. Stern was most definitely NOT handing that Larry O'Brien trophy to Mark Cuban, was not.

And how can you call flopping "fair"? That is the most b*tch move in sports. Shaq's force when lowering his shoulder is just that, force, and strength. Vlade should've had his weight up.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I can't recall the book, fairly recent I think. In it, Matt Goukas described what it was like to guard Chamberlain. He described in almost scientific-like detail, how he used virtually every body part to try and defend him.

Great reading

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Red - youre probably right about Wade. It was 2-2 when Wade got 25 FTs in game 5.

Still doesn't diminish how disgusting the 2002 series was, though.

If Shaq can run over people illegally and it doesn't get called (which he did at times), then I don't fault Vlade for countering it with a b*tch move. The refs more often than not didn't give it to him.

The Lakers got more than their fare share of garbage calls in game 6 AND 7... I can recall Vlade and Kobe going for a loose ball at the end of game 7 and the call on Vlade, who I don't think even touched Kobe. Game 6 I wont even discuss.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Wilt would not put up those numbers in this day and age. How fun would it be to see him and Shaq though?

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Z, Wilt and Russell played 40-50 years ago - not too much comp for players of their size, ability, and skill.

You can't help who's in front of you, but damn, they were literally men amongst boys when they played - in fact I wouldn't doubt that phrase was coined because of the two of them.

lh, Hakeem took Shaq to school on the offensive end, wasn't like he was shutting him down on the defensive end.

BTW, I was about 10 or 11 in '95.

NBA TV classics, homie. Doesn't matter if I was too young to comprehend 15 years ago.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Heard on the radio that the Steroid guy is also claiming he sold to the skins.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

My hats off to M.Washington he was a good player until father time caught up with his body, his body just can't hack it anymore. He should have swallowed his pride and took our min offer, at least he'd be on a team instead of sitting by the phone.(Not a good place to be)

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 27, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So you also remember that Shaq and the Lakers were dominated by the Jazz two years straight and got swept by the Spurs the next year. A "dominant" center's team should not have been humiliated so often.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I respect and admire Washington's desire to continue to find a job, but he clearly is no longer an NFL-caliber starting LB. It's sad when a veteran player tries to hang on when their playing days are over. The Redskins gave him an extra year (2008) due to the salary cap ramifications and he was unable to stay healthy or contribute when he was able to play. I remember Troy Aikman commenting that Washington looked like he had lost a step or two in the Skins-Dallas game early in the season and it was obvious that he was a liability in pass coverage. I hope Marcus moves on without being waived by another team after not being able to play anymore.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand, et al:

No disrespect to Mr. Russell, but, come on, who was the tallest guy he faced night in and night out?

In a purely fantasy based scenario, in a one-on-one game of 21, both players in their prime, who do you take:

Bill Russell

Hakeem Olajuwon


Hands down, Olajuwon would beat Russell like he was a bad child.

Hakeem faced dominate centers and capable power forwards all througout his career and would see Russell as just another tall guy.

Yeah: Russell has all them rings.

But Jack Johnson also dominated boxing before anyone learned how to fight.

Today, he'd get knocked the f!ck out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

wizfan89,
I remember the game, the comment, and the play, I beleive Marcus Washington was beat by a Dallas rookie tight end for a touchdown, it was ugly, but apparent to all that the guy was done, injured every year for the last few years, up in age, can't stay healthy, hey it's over, just hard for some guys to accept. Mr.Springs up in New England is done too, just wait and see how long it'll be before you hear about him being injured.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I take Bill sjk'n Russell everytime. And anyone who has watched basketball or knows the game will tell you the same thing. Do you think Jim Brown would be any less dominant today because Dlinemen, LBs and safeties are bigger and faster than when he played?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"...Marcus Washingtonbut is no longer an NFL-caliber starting LB...."


Yeah, but why won't he move on?

Here's a good reason:

(INSERT cleancut image of motown's BoysIIMen singing, "...it's so hard, to say goodbye to yesterday....")


Best Auburn Tiger:

Jason Campbell

Marcus Washington

Ronny Brown

Cadillac Williams

Carlos Rogers

Karlos Dansby


I know it's a redskin blog, but Ronny Brown is 'the truth' (as the young people say).

Cadillac Williams has been a bust--no question about that.

Moe takes K Dansby: a great player.

This is JC's year to step up or he's done.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny how alex in one post mentioned that the 'roids man sold to the 'skins and two out of the next three post referenced Marcus Washington...

As always not sayin, but... his name was mentioned in correlation to steroids, right?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

learnedhnad1, If you take Jim Brown as he was then, put him in the game now with all the D players you mention bigger and faster, there is no way in hell he is as dominant.
A good back maybe, but not "Superman" as he was then.The law of physics just doesn't add up.

Posted by: 72Redskins | May 27, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"...Do you think Jim Brown would be any less dominant today because Dlinemen..."


Actually, I do.

Brown had Larry Johnson's size and speed: 6' 1" 230 pounds.

But compare the size of the guys that hit them in the front seven.

NFL d-linemen in Brown's day weighed, what, 240 pounds--that's a long snapper in today's league.

Let him run up against 330 pound Shaun Rogers types or have to chip block 262 pound T Suggs 15 times a game, and then turn around to carry the ball.

Baseball is about the only sport where modern height and weight hasn't really distorted the game like it is in football and basketball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

moe, Russ was 6'9.

I respect your opinion, but Russ changed the game.

Until someone wins 10 in a row, he's the GOAT.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't like history, I love it!

But some of you flat out kill me with that "back in the day" talk.

I know it's the era you know best, the era that brings nostalgic memories in sports, but in your life as well.

I know this.

But as the homie Slim Charles put it: "Da thing 'bout the ol' days, dey was da ol' days"

New time, new era, different players, better overall skill, talent, and ability.

I hate when people tey and say that Jim Brown would've been as dominate today as he was yesterday. I'm not sure if he his offensive line could hold off defensive players of today.

Shaq would've sh*tted on Wilt, Russell, or Mikan - the first big in the NBA.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Russell is the winner, 10/10, twice on Sunday. No one won more championships than he did. No one changed the game like he did.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 3:06 PM

Russell was the ultimate winner, no doubt. It helps to be on a great team, too. I still say Wilt was the most dominant single player. You say no one changed the game like Bill Russell?

Some NBA changes due to Wilt Chamberlain:

1) widening the lane,
2) instituting offensive goaltending
3) revising rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws - Wilt was physically capable of converting foul shots via a slam dunk.

These were some of the many rules implemented specifically in an attempt to limit Chamberlain's dominance.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking about this too. If you took Jim Brown out of the 50’s/60’s and plopped him into today’s game he probably wouldn’t dominate like he did. But if you have him born in 1985 and have him growing up with today’s nutrition, weight training, football camps, better high school and college programs, cough (steroids) cough, etc, etc, he would be just as dominant, IMO….same could be said for Russell and Chamberlain. Although Wilt probably wouldn’t sleep with as many women due to today’s std’s that are just plain killing people……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The UEFA is on, well, DRUGS, did you see the first goaler slapping his arm like to ready a shot of dope, HAHAHA, but Man U should never wear its tennis whites to a championship, like for the Raiders you get marked down a TD at least..

Playing in Roma, Home of the Popemobile, "Keeping It Kevlar Since 1979"..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popemobile

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's what some of the NBA "midgets" who played against him had to say about Wilt according to wiki


Bill Russell regularly feared to get embarrassed by Chamberlain,[3] Walt Frazier called his dominance on the court “comical”,[16] and when 6 ft 10 in 270-pound Hall-of-Fame center Bob Lanier was asked about the most memorable moment of his career, Lanier answered: “When Wilt Chamberlain lifted me up and moved me like a coffee cup so he could get a favorable position.”[2]

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The UEFA is on, well, DRUGS, did you see the first goaler slapping his arm like to ready a shot of dope, HAHAHA, but Man U should never wear its tennis whites to a championship, like for the Raiders you get marked down a TD at least..
Playing in Roma, Home of the Popemobile, "Keeping It Kevlar Since 1979"..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popemobile
Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 4:24 PM

Umm….are you okay?
Should we send someone to check on you??…..You sound like periculum when his prescription runs out....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I think mr. Frak may be mistaking this blog for Euro-football

Posted by: alex35332 | May 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington: What does it say about a team when the starter from the year prior cannot even find a job when released?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 12:47 PM

Plenty.
Not only Marcus in this situation, so is "Mr. I love my family-Taylor" Although Jason is lucky enough to secure a job with Miami, I bet anyone he will be a wash-out bust. So is Mr. I can't stay healthy Springs whom I believe will be placed on IR with the Pats even before season starts. May I continue?
As long as Snyder is a flirt and a hooker, he will always attract over the hill gang.

Posted by: abxinc | May 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Until someone wins 10 in a row, he's the GOAT.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 4:20 PM

What about titles period, not consecutively? If that's the case, I'll like to make a case for some of these no name bums on this list.

I guess with that line of thinking bean, Sam Jones is GOAT #2 - and I already know you're completely vouching for all those guys on that list - they're mostly all Celtics.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

A little sensationalism over on NFL dot com.

Here’s the grabber/link:
“Bills CB McGee hurts arm while defending T.O. at practice”

Makes you think he broke up a fight between TO and someone else…..

Here’s the actual article headline:
“Bills CB McGee suffers right arm injury while covering WR Owens in drill”

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 27, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Alan, c'mon man. They make changes for everything and attribute them to a particular player... They have a freakin' "Arenas Rule".

And what you listed isn't exactly game changing - the needs of the few always outweigh the needs of the many. All they did with those additions and changes was even out the playing field.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

red, you caught me, lol, first 7 guys are all celtics...how can you argue that...lol

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

how funny is it to look at that list and in the midst of it, see Big Shot Bob Horry. That cat is flying under the radar...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Red, changing the rules to "even out the field"? Are you serious? Are you really going to go with that justification?

So perhaps in boxing, by your logic, they should consider changing the rule so that when someone gets knocked out it's not a loss--they can just tally up the points for each boxer from the time one of them is unable to continue.

Otherwise, on an uneven field, one poor fellow might not get to show of his boxing talent against someone like Mike Tyson who knocks him out before he gets warmed up. Even the playing field!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could just fall into p____ the way Horry fell onto championship teams.

Lucky bastard.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

LH, shaq was a baby then. no way hakim outplays him now. he has/had more moves but shaq was just too big in his prime. hakim don't stand a chance against shaq.

i always thought patrick ewing had more ability than hakim or even shaq but didn't posses the "it" factor. he would be dominant until they needed that one basket...against the bulls, heat, magic, houston...in the limelight he got kinda dim...

Posted by: dealer1 | May 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The hot season is soon upon us and Wendy's will be offering their biggie pink lemonade - fotie ounces of lip-smacking liquid refreshment. You'll be able to roll up to their drive by window on your foties and say "I'd like some nuggets, a large chili, a Baconator, and a bed wetter por favor."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 27, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Brown had Larry Johnson's size and speed: 6' 1" 230 pounds."

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 4:18 PM

Jim Brown was a hell of an all-around athlete and was strong as a ox. Are you saying he couldn't do what Larry Johnson has done (before he was run into the ground) if you put 300+lb olinemen in front of him. Safeties and LBs today still would not be able to tackle him.

Red, Shaq didn't sjk on the players of his time until they were past their prime. And Moe, the only great in his prime big the Dream faced regularly was the Admiral. Ewing and Shaq were in the East so he only played them twice a year until he played each in the Finals. I love the Dream but he would not have been able to handle the Dipper defensively or effectively score on or board with Russell.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Alan, when I said even out the field, I meant making it so other could have a chance to actually compete.

This is funny.

Okay, in the NBA in that time, would it be fair to say that the average height for most players was about 6-3? (probably closer to about 6-1) If so, then your boy Wilt was TEN inches taller than the average NBA player. Of course they gotta change the rules for a physical speciman like that.

Just becasue you're dominant (In especially that time) doesn't mean you're the best, or were - even in that time. His numbers are inflated becasue of his competition at that time. There was the 6-9 Russell, and that's about it.

Nay comp.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"no name bums on this list"

Havlicek, the Joneses, Heinsohn and Satch Sanders are not "no name bums." Havlicek and Sam Jones can also be found on this list and along with KC Jones and Heinsohn on this list

You can't compare guys who contributed to winning titles to bench players who were along for the ride.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Wilt was an amazing athlete. Its very difficult to have any perspective on the guy, he was that much better.

In college, "he ran the 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds, threw the shotput 56 feet (world record was about 60 feet), triple jumped more than 50 feet (world record around 54'), and won the high jump in the Big Eight track and field championships three straight years."

He high jumped over 6'6" when the world record was around 6'10"

How many guys are good at the high jump AND shotput?


List of National Basketball Association players who have scored 60 or more points in a single game.

A player has scored 60 or more points in a game 62 times: Wilt Chamberlain 32 times, Kobe Bryant 5 times, Michael Jordan 5 times, and Elgin Baylor 4 times.

National Basketball Association players who have had 40 or more rebounds in a single game: Wilt Chamberlain 15 times, Bill Russell 11 times, Nate Thurmond once, Jerry Lucas once.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Basketball_Association_players_with_40_or_more_rebounds_in_a_game

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Brown had Larry Johnson's size and speed: 6' 1" 230 pounds.
But compare the size of the guys that hit them in the front seven.
Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009

Moe, Moe, Moe,

I shake my head ruefully.

You see the forest but nary a tree.

You dare compare Jim Brown to the lazy, spoiled rich brats who play today? You ever heard the old saying? The bigger they are the harder they fall?

Syracuse was and still is very famous for a very obscure, but truly American (as in native American based) sport. And that sport is LAX, also known as lacrosse. Syracuse alumni Brown was the world's BEST lacrosse player at that time. THE VERY BEST by a long shot. Ever play lacrosse Moe? Believe me that is tough ... really, really tough.

Personally, I think he would gobble these lazy turds and eat 'em for breakfast. They'd be all over his a?? like Gale Sayers trying to rip his legs off to keep him from breaking tackles and breaking long runs.

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Ever play lacrosse Moe? Believe me that is tough ... really, really tough.

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse


I used to play lacrosse with a beer in my hand.

Posted by: Vicc | May 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay, in the NBA in that time, would it be fair to say that the average height for most players was about 6-3? (probably closer to about 6-1) If so, then your boy Wilt was TEN inches taller than the average NBA player. Of course they gotta change the rules for a physical speciman like that.


Posted by: RedDMV | May 27, 2009 5:08 PM


Red, no. Please click this link. It addresses many of the questions being bandied about here.

Myth Two: Wilt Played Against Midgets

...there were numerous other centers throughout Wilt’s career who he played against who were anything but Lilliputian.

Following is a list of some of them:


Walter Dukes (7'0", 220 lbs.)
Swede Halbrook (7'3, 235 lbs.)
Tom Boerwinkle (7'0", 265 lbs.)
Bob Lanier (6'11", 265 lbs.)
Darrall Imhoff (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Otto Moore (6'11", 210 lbs.)
Sam Lacey (6'10", 235 lbs.)
George Johnson (6'11", 245 lbs.)
Paul Ruffner (6'10", 230 lbs.)
Dick Cunningham (6'10", 245 lbs.)
Walt Bellamy (6'11", 225 lbs.)
Leroy Ellis (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Nate Thurmond (6'11", 235 lbs.)
Mel Counts (7'0", 235 lbs.)
Nate Bowman (6'10", 230 lbs.)
Clyde Lee (6'10", 210 lbs.)
Walt Wesley (6'11", 230 lbs.)
Henry Akin (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Hank Finkel (7'0", 240 lbs.)
Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (7'2", 225 lbs.)
Neal Walk (6'10", 220 lbs.)
Elmore Smith (7'0", 250 lbs.)
Jim McDaniels (6'11", 230 lbs.)
LaRue Martin (6'11", 215 lbs.)
Tom Riker (6'10", 225 lbs.)
Conrad Dierking (6'9", 225 lbs.)
Johnny “Red” Kerr (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Bob Pettit (6'9", 220 lbs.)
Spencer Haywood (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Rick Roberson (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Luke Jackson (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Duke Hogue (6'9," 240 lbs.)
Zelmo Beaty (6'9", 230 lbs.)
Len Chappell (6'9", 240 lbs.)
Elvin Hayes (6'9", 235 lbs.)
Hub Reed (6'9", 220 lbs.)

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The Cavs series aint over.. The Cavs set a record at home for home wins and they've got 2 out of three at home. Lebron is setting everybody up , this has been in the Nike marketing plan for months. Lebron is either holding back, or he is hiding an injury..Every time he sacrifices himself (thank you ,Jesus), he seems to be able to make an incredible shot..50-50 the odds to me, the Cavs take the series..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are not set at LB unless some of the question marks become quality players.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009

Yep, the hope is that some combination of Robert Thomas, Chris Wilson, Brian Orapko, Cody Glenn, Alfred Fincher, and Tyson Smith will step up to replace both MWash and Rocky who may already be pretty close to MWash injury wise. Meanwhile, age is going to catch up to Fletcher eventually, and next year could be the year, so they also have JB Blades and Robert Henson.

Have to see how all that works out.

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I used to play lacrosse with a beer in my hand.

Posted by: Vicc | May 27, 2009

The kind they used to play with Squaws.

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins would do well to resign Marcus and have him and Rock Mac be a two-headed monsta spelling each other on that side..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

re: haynesworth and the "t" word

uh-oh - never a good time to lose draft picks, but the last couple three years we've been re-signing most of our squad for the first time under snyder, thanks joe gibbs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

In the 1967 NBA Playoffs, the Sixers yet again battled the Boston Celtics in the Eastern Division Finals, and again held home court advantage. In Game 1, the Sixers beat Boston 127–112, powered by Hal Greer's 39 points and Chamberlain's unofficial quadruple double, with 24 points, 32 rebounds, 13 assists and (unofficially counted) 12 blocks.

How many quadruple doubles? In the playoffs?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"In 1961 a new star named Walt Bellamy came into the league. Bellamy was 6-foot-10, and was scoring 30 points a game. First time they played against each other, they met at half court. Bellamy said, 'Hello, Mr. Chamberlain. I'm Walter Bellamy.' Chamberlain reached for Bellamy's hand and said, 'Hello, Walter. You won't get a shot off in the first half.' Wilt then blocked Bellamy's first nine shots. At the start of the second half Wilt said to Bellamy, 'Okay, Walter. Now you can play.'"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

re: players to be interviewed...

The league has to enforce the rules. Owners are in catch 22. hayney's agent is the same as malcolm kelly's.

is that a haiku

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

re: a tampering primer

bla, bla, bla everyone does it some people get caught. The league is cracking down, should be comparable to 9ers losing a 5th for Briggs, if we're punished.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

re: why vick won't likely be a skin

I'm not even going to read this one. Because we have a QB and no money and Vick hasn't played in how long?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 27, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"How many quadruple doubles? In the playoffs? "

Most of the teams were in cities still struggling with integration: the black knees of the African tribesman hadn't yet taken the NBA into orbit. Not to denigrate the white players, many of whom could compete adequately, but Wilt was truly a man amongst boys, and like the Kinsey Report noted, the ten percent of the female population that requires deep penetration over clitoral stimulation were all lined up outside his all-mirror waterbed room waiting for service, as his Washington Monument was legendary, making for many, many quadruple doubles..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Since this Marcus Washington business is a non-story...I'll comment on the basketball issue....

Michael Jordan made everyone around him better with his intensity and competetiveness and they knew they'd better step up or else.

Also, I think Dennis Rodman and Tony Kukoc were underrated. Dennis Rodman played like a seven footer in the paint and Kukoc would rain threes in transition. Jordan was able to maximize his talent.

Posted by: rickyroge | May 27, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I used to play lacrosse with a beer in my hand.

Posted by: Vicc | May 27, 2009

The kind they used to play with Squaws.

Posted by: periculum

I remain in mourning over the results of the lax finals on Monday.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins would do well to resign Marcus and have him and Rock Mac be a two-headed monsta spelling each other on that side..

Posted by: frak

Two heads? yes. But I'm not sure they have 2 good knees between them

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Hate to be the harbinger of bad news but

Posted by: periculum | May 27, 2009 1:43 PM |
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Who do you think you're kidding?

You LOVE being the harbinger of bad news.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | May 27, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

"In 1961 a new star named Walt Bellamy came into the league. Bellamy was 6-foot-10, and was scoring 30 points a game. First time they played against each other, they met at half court. Bellamy said, 'Hello, Mr. Chamberlain. I'm Walter Bellamy.' Chamberlain reached for Bellamy's hand and said, 'Hello, Walter. You won't get a shot off in the first half.' Wilt then blocked Bellamy's first nine shots. At the start of the second half Wilt said to Bellamy, 'Okay, Walter. Now you can play.'"

Posted by: zcezcest1

Ah great story.

My favorite Chamberlain story was the one in the seventh game of the NBA championships, when a 6'8" center named Willis Reed dragged himself out to the MSG floor on one leg, made his first two shots, and then watched Chamberlain quit.

Altho, if indeed, Wilt did truly nail those 10,000 women he claims to, I'm sure he was just too exhausted to put in a strong effort.

Bill Russell didn't have the physical gifts Wilt had, but I'd take him eight days a week and twice on Sundays--Reed too.

Posted by: TheCork | May 27, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Cork, Wilt's 45 points and 27 boards in game 6 put the Lakers in a position for game 7.

It's hard to say Wilt quit in game 7 since he did score 21 points on 16 shots, despite a terrible 1-of-11 from the foul line.

Still, it's amazing you would judge a 35 year old coming back from knee-surgery so harshly based on a single game.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

alan4


We stand corrected.

I really wasn't aware that that many height guys were playing basketball during Wilt's stellar career.

You win today's award for research. Thing is, all we have today, is props to give:

(INSERT image of Moe giving Alan4 a right-fist 'dap pound' and nod.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Note To All Concerned Bloggas:

"...moe, Russ was 6'9. I respect your opinion, but Russ changed the game...."

The Yanks are on, so I must concede to all arguments:

Yes, Wilt was dominant.

Yes, Jim Brown was a god among men.

Yes, Bill Russell is GOAT.

Yes, Hakeem Olajuwon would dominate in any era.

beantown, Alan4, and learnedhand get props for upholding the old school ballers.

At least we got some stellar research and chatta out of the 'blog-war'.

I'm out: baseball is on.

Go Yanks!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 27, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, thanks for the props.

Even though opinions may differ, we should have a common set of facts to work with. The Big Dipper's body of work speaks for itself.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 27, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"There are possibilities at all interior line positions."

Perhaps Melvin Fowler and Anthony Davis need to tryout, eh?

Posted by: jpwjr1199 | May 27, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

To summarize Wilt Chamberlain:

Number of 60 point games in NBA history
32 by Wilt Chamberlain
30 by EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NBA

Number of 40 rebound games
15 by Wilt Chamberlain
13 by EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE NBA

There is no other player in any major sport that even approaches that sort of dominance in even one category, let alone 2.

Wilt was a conference champion high jumper in college AND a threw a shotput within a few feet of the world record. How many people are good at both high jumping and shotput? High jumpers don't look like shotputters.

Both shotput and high jump are in the decathlon. Wilt would have earned more points in the decathlon with his numbers from the 1950's than the current Olympic champion did in 2008.

People can argue Wilt's attitude, commitment, etc ... but he was simply the best athlete in sports history.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON.... WASHINGTON. Didn't he used to play for Indianapolis and Washington? Where's he now that his football career is over?

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 27, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of flagrant fouls, I remember WILT and ELGIN BAYLOR wrestling for position in a play-off game in the early '60's. The refs wouldn't call a foul, and BAYLOR was all over CHAMBERLAIN's back. When WILT had finally had enough, he gave ELGIN an intentional elbow shot in the chest that literally picked the 6'10" 270 pound forward up off the floor, and sent him flying out of bounds. Whistle, foul.....

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 27, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

O.K., O. K., BAYLOR was 6'5" 240. But he was trying to muscle the wrong guy for sure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"It's hard to say Wilt quit in game 7 since he did score 21 points on 16 shots, despite a terrible 1-of-11 from the foul line."

Wilt was historically bad from the line, less than %50, he used to mock it by shooting his free throws from the top of the key as a means of practice... Once you're used to scoring 65, 100 points by just sheer inside domination, who needs it, you become like Wilt the Warrior from Conan the Barbarian, casting a jaundiced eye on all that's beneath you..If he learned to swallow his humungous ego, work on his free throws, his numbers would have gone intergalactic..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

i believe wilt did put up some intergalactic numbers during the time he coulda practiced freethrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 27, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

i believe wilt did put up some intergalactic numbers during the time he coulda practiced freethrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 27, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

i believe wilt did put up some intergalactic numbers during the time he coulda practiced freethrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 27, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

my bad yall

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 27, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

i believe wilt did put up some intergalactic numbers during the time he coulda practiced freethrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10


,,then extra-intergalactic...Everybody gets bored though, Wilt liked boxing and volleyball, if I remember..I think he started a pro men's and woman's league in Cali...jeeziz , the poont*ng, the mind boggles...

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I mean, woman's volleyball, the 'tang , of course...Gotta check how the gov't killed him, I'll be back..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"Official" says heart attack (Cali rhymes with cocaine, not uncommon amongst NBA stars of the day and , er, Hollywood)..

" Chamberlain became a member of the Globetrotters team which made history by playing in Moscow in 1959, enjoyed a sold out tour of the USSR and prior to the start of a game at Moscow's Lenin Central Stadium, were greeted by the General Secretary Nikita Khrushchev.[30] One particular Trotter skit involved Trotters captain Meadowlark Lemon collapsing to the ground, and instead of helping him up, Chamberlain threw him several feet high up in the air and caught him like a doll. "[Chamberlain] was the strongest athlete who ever lived", the 210-pound Lemon recounted later" - wikipedia

official death-http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/1999/10/12/wilt_dead/

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

20,000 (not 10, 000, Cork, according to Wikipedia) women might give you a heart attack, though, no drugs needed..

Posted by: frak | May 27, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mistle-Moe...Ever hear of a fella' named Willis Reed????????? He shut down the big boys of his era...Russell,Wilt,Lew....And let his gaurds get the glory...In case you don't know thier names..Walt "Clyde" Frazier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. And with DeBush and Bradley and of course Action Jackson also known as the Kronic Zen Master....I'll put that team against any other in the history of the game. And when people talk about the history of the NBA. Willis hobbling out for game 7 grabbed a board, swated a Wilt shot scored 2 pts. and set the tone the the Knicks first championship. Probably one of the most talked about feats in game 7 history.........Have A Nice Day.........

Posted by: BingCreole | May 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mistle-Moe...Ever hear of a fella' named Willis Reed????????? He shut down the big boys of his era...Russell,Wilt,Lew....And let his gaurds get the glory...In case you don't know thier names..Walt "Clyde" Frazier and Earl "The Pearl" Monroe. And with DeBush and Bradley and of course Action Jackson also known as the Kronic Zen Master....I'll put that team against any other in the history of the game. And when people talk about the history of the NBA. Willis hobbling out for game 7 grabbed a board, swated a Wilt shot scored 2 pts. and set the tone the the Knicks first championship. Probably one of the most talked about feats in game 7 history.........Have A Nice Day.........

Posted by: BingCreole | May 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

i believe wilt did put up some intergalactic numbers during the time he coulda practiced freethrows

Posted by: lilhollywood10


,,then extra-intergalactic...Everybody gets bored though, Wilt liked boxing and volleyball, if I remember..I think he started a pro men's and woman's league in Cali...jeeziz , the poont*ng, the mind boggles...

Posted by: frak

when Wilt had set up a boxing match vs Ali and asked his (5'7") father what he thought, his father supposedly said, "You'd be better off practicing your free throws" Of course the boxing match never happened

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 27, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

when Wilt had set up a boxing match vs Ali and asked his (5'7") father what he thought, his father supposedly said, "You'd be better off practicing your free throws" Of course the boxing match never happened

Posted by: zcezcest1


It was like Andre' the Godzilla next to his miniscule parents, being raised on uranium pills.."When Genes Run Wild!!"

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

"People can argue Wilt's attitude, commitment, etc ... but he was simply the best athlete in sports history.Posted by: zcezcest1"

Boy, we must be bored, if we're starting to talk about the 'best athlete in sports history'. Doesn't matter that you can make a case for your personal favorite -- there are simply too many sports, requiring too many different skills, across which to make a comparison.

The first problem is simply defining 'best athlete'. Does that mean most skilled? Widest range of skiils? Best at one sport? Best at one prominent sport? Best at largest number of different sports? Best at largest number of 'major' sports?

Most dominant in a given sport for his for her era? Most dominant in multiple sports in one era? Performed most difficult single feat? Has untouchable world record? Biggest margin between his level of performance and that of others in a particular era?

Tallest? Strongest? Fastest? Most pungent?

No matter how you slice it, you usually end up with an argument that includes a dozen or so candidates of roughly equal qualifications, and no way to logically demonstrate one's superiority to the rest.

So have fun, but...

How about: which major sport is the most difficult to master?

ALso fodder for a day when nothing else is on the menu...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 28, 2009 4:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: suesue8709 | May 28, 2009 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Just read on the Redskins.com site that big ol' Mike Williams has cut his weight down to 385. He made the comment that he's only 15 pounds heavier than when he left college. I think I had read somewhere that the team wanted him down to 360. It's looking like he's going to make it, and maybe he'll show he still has something left in the tank. This is a big, big man, and if nothing else, they could use him in obvious running situations to bulldoze defensive linemen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I really did like Marcus when he was with us. The reality of the situation is that he is past his prime and to injury prone. Why do u think he isn't signed yet. Free agency started almost three months ago. I hate the idea of us drafting Orako and saying that he will stand up on 1st and 2nd down, then hand in the dirt on third down. That makes no absolutly no sense. U don't see the Giants having Osi stand up on 1st and 2nd down then has his hand in the dirt on 3rd. Orakpo was the best defensive player in college last year with his hand in the dirt. Keep his hand in the dirt and line him up at LE and let him and Haynesworth cause massive problems for all those NFC EAST teams. You mean to tell me that we don't have nobody on our roster that can step up and clearly win the strong side linebacker position. Come On. Gregg Blach is a talented D-Coordinator and I know when we play the Giants in 4 months who ever is the strong side linebacker then Blach believes that he is the best man for the job. Our division this year will be crazy. This could be another year that the NFC EAST gets 3 teams in this year. I hope that the skins make the playoffs because that will lock up Cambell and Zorn for years to come. Can you believe that the skins might be able to run the same offense for consecutive years. Even if the front office decide to get ride of Cambell if the skins struggle, I hope that we can keep Zorn. I really believe in him and his system. It's hard to believe that he had plays that he couldn't call because our 2nd round picks were not up to speed. If those guys show up this year we will be hard to stop us.

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | May 28, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Still talking hoops, eh? Well then, to stay on topic: With the NBA desperate to get Kobe vs. Lebron in the finals, gow bad will the officiating be in tonight's game? Betcha D. Howard has 4 fouls in the 1st quarter tonight.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington: What does it say about a team when the starter from the year prior cannot even find a job when released?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 12:47 PM

Nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire, mon frere. It means a lot. I think an indication of how good a team evaluates talent is how many teams jump on players they let go. It means they are so stocked with quality talent that they are actually letting go players that could contribute on other teams. The Redskins held on to Washington for one year too long. They saw the injury trouble coming and should have pulled the switch long before this past offseason. They are making the same mistake now with McIntosh. I guarantee the guy won't see sixteen games this year unless a few of them are watched from the sidelines. Same is true with Kelly. I don't think the guy is ever going to play a complete season. They never should have drafted him, but after last season they should have begun to realize their mistake and let the guy go. Now he's stealing training time from other guys who are capable of contributing for an entire season. And, if the Redskins cut him, do you think any team would just jump right on him? Nah.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"Same is true with Kelly. I don't think the guy is ever going to play a complete season. They never should have drafted him, but after last season they should have begun to realize their mistake and let the guy go"

Wow....just wow....So Kelly gets hurt his rookie year, and your solution is to dump him??

Nice...I like it...idiocy, with a touch of lunacy.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Just to throw in my .02.

Most dominant big of his era: Wilt Chamberlain

Most skilled big ever: Hakeem Olajuwon/Tim Duncan (draw, and yes, he's a center)

Greatest intangibles: Bill Russell

If I could choose one big man ever to build a team around: Shaquille O'Neal

A couple more points to make.

Michael Jordan is still the GOAT.

Lebron James is not Michael Jordan, or even close yet.

Lebron James is the most talented player currently in the league.

I'd still rather have Dwight Howard than Lebron James.

Barcelona is simply majesterial.

Posted by: psps23 | May 28, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

"...big ol' Mike Williams has cut his weight down to 385."

Down to 385?

That's quite an accomplishment.

At this rate, he'll be down to 384 by two-a-days in August.

And isn't it a sad thing that so many hopes are attached to a guy who presently is about as big as a baby elephant?

The redskins hoping Mike Williams is a gamer for them this year is like a NASCAR team depending on Stevie Wonder's driving ability.

They might as well entrust their draft process to Vinny Cerrato.

Wait a minute: they did.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington: What does it say about a team when the starter from the year prior cannot even find a job when released?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 27, 2009 12:47 PM

Nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 27, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Au contraire, mon frere. It means a lot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2009 8:43 AM |

You're so myopic. The Redskins let Jason Taylor go and he's starting for Miami. The Redskins let Shawn Springs go and he's starting for New England. The Redskins let Demetric Evans go and he's starting for San Francisco. So what does that say about the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"...big ol' Mike Williams has cut his weight down to 385."

Down to 385?

That's quite an accomplishment.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 8:53 AM

What's bizarre about this sentence is "down to." With 385 I would expect to read "up to."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Why I am being assaulted?:

"....Hey Mistle-Moe...Ever hear of a fella' named Willis Reed?"


"Mistle-Moe"?

Who's that guy?

I know who Willis Reed is as I'm one of the few Americans who will still admit to being a Knicks' fan.

I still lament B King's career being ruined behind a knee injury.

But "Mistle-Moe"?: this sounds like a christmas-time STD.

If Hamthrax is swine flu, just what is "Mistle-Moe"?

Perhaps I should post with gloves on my hands.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"...big ol' Mike Williams has cut his weight down to 385."

Down to 385?

That's quite an accomplishment.

Posted by: MistaMoe

That is still a lot of weight to be carrying around.

JM220

Posted by: jm220 | May 28, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

B King.

Great, Great player moe.

When the celts played the knicks team that he was on in the playoffs in 84, or thereabouts, King was a man among boys. Wow was he good.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

'Lebron James is not Michael Jordan, or even close yet.'

Lebron will never be MJ. He's a different type of player. A better comparison would be Magic Johnson or Oscar Robertson.

Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan in the NBA right now.

I used to love me some Bernard King. He was still pretty good after his injury for Les Boullez but no where near what he could have been. After he went down, I moved on to Domonique Wilkins.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Domonique killed the blog.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was the NBA that killed the blog.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Nope, NBA hating killed the blog.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

ESPN headline:

"Arrington cut by Broncos after flunking physical"

Looks like LaVar's still gots a knee problemo. First Markus and now him. The oldies but goodies are dropping like files.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Sang it:

basketball killed the insider blog
basketball killed the insider blog
It's offseason & my heads in a fog
AntonChigurh is a frog

(sorry - it rhymed)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

AntonChigurh
You being sarcastic, right?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Looks like LaVar's still gots a knee problemo. First Markus and now him. The oldies but goodies are dropping like files.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 10:30 AM

Has anyone up here ever been to LaVar's club? My impression is that the people who go there are not the same gentle souls who are posting on Redskins Insider. Except maybe Alex who's wild beyond belief. And JohnDinHouston would be a regular if it were located in Katy, Texas instead of PG County.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see Zambrano's tantrum yesterday?

I read some where that it's one of the top 5 blow-ups of all time. I haven't watched baseball long enough to know which tirade is in the top 5.

I think Piniella is some where in that 5.

Maybe the one dude who was low-crawling on the mound in the minors a few years back.

For the seam heads, who threw the best tantrum in baseball?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Storylines I'd like to see from the Mini-Camp that starts Monday:


a. Undrafted players who look like keepers.

b. B Orakpo's adjustment to the roles on D.

c. Devin Thomas' progress.

d. Jeremy Bridges v. Stephon Heyer at right tackle.

e. Fred Davis's role at tight end

f. Just how do the special teamers signed during Jan. look.

In anything, Monday should have some real news for us to chew on.



Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I have never been. Too many people seem to get in fights around there.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Arrington cut by Broncos after flunking physical"

Excuse me, but isn't this JJ Arrignton, the Cal running back who the cards drafted high and let go of?

Lavar is done as a football player and has been so since Buck was a puppy.

And he's a grown dog now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I've been to Sidelines (Lavar's joint) a few times. It's an okay place. Definitely has more of the club vibe, they play music kind of loud there, Hip-Hop and R&B.

But the food is good, the drinks are good, but the service could be better...

On a side note: Where's Flounder21? Haven't seen a post in a minute... chrislarry? This is the roll-call dammit!

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone up here ever been to LaVar's club? My impression is that the people who go there are not the same gentle souls who are posting on Redskins Insider. Except maybe Alex who's wild beyond belief. And JohnDinHouston would be a regular if it were located in Katy, Texas instead of PG County.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 10:38 AM

I'll have to check it out this weekend. Do you suppose that Joe Salave'a is one of the bouncers?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see Zambrano's tantrum yesterday?

I read some where that it's one of the top 5 blow-ups of all time.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:40 AM

This is judged like the olympics. There are seven judges behind the dugout and they hold up cards and they throw out the high and low score. Zambrano got four tens, two nines, and an eight.

The eight was from the Canadian judge who said afterward that Zambrano should have thrown down his stick and gloves and punched someone. I don't think the guy knows the difference between baseball and curling.

So, yeah, it probably was close to top five, Red.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Flound have been mia for a while now....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see Zambrano's tantrum yesterday?

I read some where that it's one of the top 5 blow-ups of all time.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:40 AM

Them Cubbies sure have some hotties, don't they? First Bradley and now the Big Z. It gots to be crazy don't it when ol man Piniella is the voice of reason?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I have been to The Sideline a few times. The bar area is generally pretty crowded, especially in the evening and on weekends. The food is decent for a sports bar. Mr. Arrington, however, turns the place into a nightclub on weekend nights at which point a cover charge is excised and metal detecting wands are in full use.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

[:``[

^^ Tears for Flounder (That's my favorite 80's band)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

metal detecting wands are in full use.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 28, 2009 11:04 AM

Sounds like a DC public school.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Whats everyone eating right now?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

[:``[

^^ Tears for Flounder (That's my favorite 80's band)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:05 AM

My favorite 80's band is Great White. They love to snack on flounders. Maybe that's what happened with the 21 dude.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

bean


Sawx--Yanks share first place: how long will that last?

The teams meet in Boston in about a week.

Presently, the Sawx are 6-0 on NY this season.

The next two weeks should be massively interesting.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You can clearly see the ump initiate the contact here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBIxFlRuvPk
(watch 'till the end)

Didn't seem like the biggest meltdown ever given that his rage after being falsely ejected was warranted.

How 'bout that Gatorade machine!! ;]

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

THIS is the best tirade EVER!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv23pqH9iG0

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

yo come mierda, alejandro.

lmao@Anton

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

al, just ate a 'gala' apple....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

moe, can't talk about it right now....still trying to cool off from the last few days debacle....Ortiz needs to be cut outright. I just don't see it coming back with that guy, he's just done at this point. Dice-k is another one, run him out of town, the sooner the better.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Just watched the Zambrano video. Not bad. It's always a plus when the player tosses the umps out. and he included the obligatory Gatorade cooler beat down (kind of like a double axle in figure skating). It still seemed tame compared to a standard Pinella rant.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"What's everyone eating right now?"


I'd say, but she won't tell me her name.

(INSERT rimshot audio and disgusted groans from bloggas who shout "This is a family blog, moron!!!)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I knew I could get a great scoring assesment from no other than THE talent_evaluator.

Hope all is well with those who've been MIA. Anything else is FTR (failure to report) or AWOL - both punishable by RICBJ (Redskins Insider Code of Blog Justice).

Anyone else a little nerved about N. Korea? Not trying to spark a political debate, just want to know the thoughts of a possible N. Korea attack.

"Ev-ry-bod-y wants to rule the world... dum-da-dum-da-dum..."

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Dik, which tirade was that? Is it the one from Hal McRae? If so, that's the best one I've ever seen... Dude does a 360 throwing the phone.

"Put that in your f___ing pipe and smoke it." - Hal McRae

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

You know we are in need of news when people respond to that one

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

red, given that the missle only has roughly an 80 mile range, I think we're ok.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Anyone see Zambrano's tantrum yesterday?

I read some where that it's one of the top 5 blow-ups of all time.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 10:40 AM

This is judged like the olympics. ...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 10:56 AM

It should be based on some complicated formula that factors in suspension time and $$$ fined. I myself don't put it in the top five. Billy Martin's dirt kicking and Lou's base throwing - now that's top five. Besides, the best part of Z's eruption, the destruction of the Gatorade dispenser, wasn't fully caught on camera.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 28, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

It was the Lee Elia tirade. Now I gotta go check out McRae, hehe.

Thx Red!

I think Korea just wants some major respect in that area and some sovereign control. I don't see them giving up the only ace they have - or playing it, 'cause once it's played, it's over.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 28, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking N Korea is in "Oh SJK" mode because it was counting on China and Russia to have it's back.

Although, there's no telling what a guy who rocks a haircut like Kim Jong-Il is capable of.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'd also have to include the George Brett Pine Tar tantrum in my top 5.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I'd also have to include the George Brett Pine Tar tantrum in my top 5."

What about the Oklahoma State coach's, "I'm 40. I'm a man. Talk to me like I'm a man, 'cuz I'm 40," rant?

I'll always go with Ryan Leaf blowing up at a San Diego newspaper reporter in the lockerroom rant.

Fianlly, there's Jackie Gleason's "Alice, your mother is a biiiiggg blabbermouth...," rant from The Honeymooners--that's another one that always kills me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I was going with baseball rants only.

'I'm 40, I'm a man' is the all time greatest sports rant in my book.

for tv/movies, I gotta go with Clark Grizwald's "I didn't get a bonus" rant in Christmas Vacation.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 28, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey are any of our FFL leagues from last year getting started back up?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

80 mile range, bean? They were saying they were long range missles. 80 miles? lol... that's like from here to Waynesboro, Virginia or something like that...

Dik, yes, check out McRae's post-game meltdown. Epic stuff.

So N. Korea wants to play the stare-in-your-face game that the kiddies play - first one blinks, loses.

Games people play...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Moe, I thought you did type with gloves on! Keep the k-rap coming,but give Willis his due. And not that Ewing would of been the best with a ring on his finger, but he was a crazed John Starks from getting one. And a STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPIT brawl with the Pacers from getting another. Besides that, he didn't have room for rings, with all the back room strip clubs he went to.

Posted by: BingCreole | May 28, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, "I'm a man, I'm 40" was great.

"Makes me wanna vomit..."

Posted by: RedDMV | May 28, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Zambrano, Johnnie Mac,Bobby Knight,John Rocker,Earl Weaver,Elmer J Fudd. They all have nothing on Sweet Lou. He threw the best tantums and still does. Back in the 70's he got thrown out of a game(go figure) went out to the stands and started climbing the right field foul pole.

Posted by: BingCreole | May 28, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

re Hal McRae: The funny quotient is increased by his attire (are those longjohns) and the slow creep out of the room by those present.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 28, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins let Jason Taylor go and he's starting for Miami. The Redskins let Shawn Springs go and he's starting for New England. The Redskins let Demetric Evans go and he's starting for San Francisco.

So what does that say about the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Um, clueless?

Actually D. Evans gets a redskin double clueless. Last year, they were clueless that he'd be a more than adequate replacement for Phillps and wasted a 2nd rounder for Taylor, who was too small for LDE and didn't fit the system anyway. And this year, again, when Evans left and now starts for SF.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Um, clueless?

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 12:34 PM

Probably not. Springs and Taylor are both taking huge pay cuts to "stay in the game." But I think your Evans analysis is about right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

++ESPN headline:

"Arrington cut by Broncos after flunking physical"++

Doubt he nailed the Wonderlic either.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Calipari to be the first to have coached two teams that had to forfeit their Final Four appearances but somehow he remains unscathed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 28, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

How the sjk did netflix figure out how to get around all of the pop up blockers that are on my PC??????

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 28, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Following is a list of some of them:



Swede Halbrook (7'3, 235 lbs.)...



...Hank Finkel (7'0", 240 lbs.)...

...LaRue Martin (6'11", 215 lbs.)...

...Hub Reed (6'9", 220 lbs.)

AND ABOUT 20 more)

Posted by: Alan4

Wow! What a list! Wilt played against the immortal Hank Finkel? LaRue Martin? Mel Counts? Sweed Halbrook? Henry Akins? Duke Hogue? Nate Bowman?

Most of these guys couldn't doff their sweats and chew gum at the same time. No one doubts there wasn't a slew of tall stiffs for Wilt to eat alive during his career.

But day in and day out? No way that crew compares with modern day tall guys. Who lift weights and eat much better.

Someone remarked that "Russell had a better team" than Wilt. Granted. But Russell, unlike chamberlain made his team better. He was in it for the rings, not the stats.

Chamberlains pathetic 10,000 women claim is indicative of his aproach to basketball. He was in it for the numbers, a self-centered, physically gifted megalomaniac plunked down in an era he could dominate.

Until someone invents a time machine, these silly arguments can't be resolved. Would DaVinci be a genius nowadays or a Disney animator? Would Cy Young be a middle reliever? Gallileo? Just another dweeb buried at NASA?

But hey, it fills this blog while nothing is happening...


Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Or IS nothing happening...

Anyone read Cooley's blog?

Is there a Washington Steroid Scandal about to pop?

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Cork, my time machine should be ready in about 20 years. Why I haven’t come back in time to leave the finished plans on my nite-stand is beyond me. I guess I will start to lose my sanity at some point while working on it….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 28, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse


What's bizarre about this sentence is "down to." With 385 pounds I would expect to read "up to."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 9:07 AM

I can help you out there. Read the current "People" magazine story about Kirstie Alley.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I can help you out there. Read the current "People" magazine story about Kirstie Alley.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 1:07 PM

"People" magazine, Cork? No one reads People magazine unless they're in line to check out of the Piggly Wiggly and someone else has already grabbed all the National Enquirers and Cosmopolitans. Did you also see this feature on "Entertainment Tonight"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Its the blimp, its the blimp!!

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Tonight on Celebrity Death Match


Kristy Alley vs. Mike Williams

in the first ever eaten alive match who will win, and who will give the other heart burn?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 28, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network alert

Lost Treasures - 2pm today
"Three Cheers for the Redskins"

Story of 1971 Redskins

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 28, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

NFL Network alert

Lost Treasures - 2pm today
"Three Cheers for the Redskins"

Story of 1971 Redskins

Posted by: noonefromtampa | May 28, 2009 1:51 PM

Story of the 1971 Redskins? Must see TV.

It's programs like this that make you think they shouldn't expand the season to 18 games a year but to 44 games a year. Two weeks for free agency, two weeks for the draft, four weeks for vacation, 20 minutes for pre-season, then back to work.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Football all year sounds great in theory but I am against it. the few precious weeks of football we have is what makes the game great every week is do or die or thats how we make it. if you have to many games you water down your product and it becomes no big deal if you miss a game because there is always a game coming on.

That is one of the major reasons the NBA and MLB have suffered so much. they have too many games and most people could care less about the sport until playoff time.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 28, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1
Thats why more then 1 league is what is best for year round football.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The Madden '010 ratings are out. Well only the top ten at each position has been released. Good news, looks like Stampy is the best rated defender in the game. Check it out. http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2009/05/your-madden-10-player-ratings-are-out.html

Hope the Red Snapper finally gets some juice this year!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 28, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

bingcreole

"...give Willis Reed his due."


Sure.

I called Mr. Reed to let him know I was sorry I left his name off yesterday's great NBA center list.

Here's a transcript of that conversation:

Moe: "Mr. Reed, I hope there are no hard feelings about this."

Reed: "Is this Mistle-Moe?"

Moe: "Something like that."

Reed: "Your name sounds like an STD you'd get from kissing a christmas ornament."

Moe: "Well, that's not something I'd ever do."

Reed: "You know why I was the best? I played in a game with a broken bone in my leg. But I'm an old man now."

Moe: "I remember that sir. Bingcreole wants me to give you our props."

Reed: "Bing Crosby wants to play me?"

Moe: "No. Bingcreole."

Reed: "And what are 'props'? I hate all that rap talk. It's a sad day when Bing Crosby starts rapping."

Moe: "Sir, I gotta go."

Reed: "Goodbye, Mista Toe. But one last thing, have you seen my pills? Did Bing Crosby take them?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

A: Kirsty Alley McBeal

Q: What would you get if Calista Flockhart gained 185lbs?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

SI ranks us 24th in their power rankings. Average is Matt Mosely at 17. Clayton actually thinks they are 10-12th!?

Posted by: periculum | May 28, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Football all year sounds great in theory but I am against it. the few precious weeks of football we have is what makes the game great every week is do or die or thats how we make it. if you have to many games you water down your product and it becomes no big deal if you miss a game because there is always a game coming on.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 28, 2009 2:18 PM |

You're probably right, but how about this? We try it for a year. Then if you're right, I'll the the first up hereto admit I was wrong and to give you props. And if you're wrong, I want you to roll a peanut from San Francisco to Chicago using you nose. Deal?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, we're probably around the 15th best team. Our defense is easily top 10, could be top 5 and has the potential to be #1 if we start creating turnovers. The offense is good in spots (Portis, Moss, Cooley, Campbell, Samuels, Sellers), but the injuries/weaknesses with the OL are just glaring, and without a solid OL, nothing works well. The offense rank is probably somewhere in the low 20's -- helped greatly by the fact we had the fewest INTs in the league.

Special teams are, ughhh. Other than kickoff returns, nothing is above average -- our punting and kicking are at the bottom of the league.

To get an overall score, I'll weight the offense and defense twice as much as teams.

Defense, 5th
Offense, 24th
Teams, 28th

Overall avg: 17th

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The Madden '010 ratings are out. Well only the top ten at each position has been released. Good news, looks like Stampy is the best rated defender in the game. Check it out. http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2009/05/your-madden-10-player-ratings-are-out.html

Hope the Red Snapper finally gets some juice this year!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 28, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse


Not that it means any thing at all--cuz it's just video game ratings--but just a small part of me finds comfort in seeing Clinton Portis rated STILL in the top 10...Boy gits it done! despite our average O-line.

Let's just say that I wouldn't blame a downfall in CP's production on an average O-line. Just look at what happens when Ladell Betts runs the ball. lol..

Good for Albert Haynesworth in video game ratings...Hope that it equates into top 3 defense points/allowed.


Posted by: Vicc | May 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

SI ranks us 24th in their power rankings. Average is Matt Mosely at 17. Clayton actually thinks they are 10-12th!?

Posted by: periculum | May 28, 2009 2:47 PM

Woo-hoo! Power Rankings are BACK!!!!! Put them together with the wonderful program on the 1971 Redskins and I feel like training camp must be starting next Tuesday. Man, have I missed Power Rankings.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Q: How many RIers does it take to screw in a light bulb.

A: 7

1 to screw in the light-bulb.

1 to tell them that the light bulb is screwing them and its actually Dan Snyder.

1 to yell about how LaCanfora is not reporting about the screwing

1 to yell about how the team aught to screw light-bulbs through the draft.

1 to get on the blog p!ss drunk at 2:00 am and say that they hate the light bulb.

1-first

1 to try and change the topic to some weird political rant.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

bringing it full circle.....

why didn't they re-sign Antonio Pierce!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

SI is garbage. Haven't read one of there Magazines since 5th grade detention.

Posted by: Vicc | May 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching the original Hard Knocks documentary on the '71 Skins during lunch.

I just saw LaVar Arrington riding down K Street, but couldn't be quite sure it was him. I was staring at him trying to confirm my theory and he was staring at me like I was crazy. But it was him, def. In one of those Benzs that look like a Jeep Wrangler......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Crime may pay for SC con who got cushy jail stay

By JEFFREY COLLINS
The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 2:09 PM

GAFFNEY, S.C. -- Like plenty of fathers, Kevin Bell took his young daughter to Chuck E. Cheese's for her birthday. He just had to get a ride from his jail cell to do it.

While serving his final six years for cocaine trafficking, Bell left jail for more than the party in 2006, state investigators say. In fact, his daughter was conceived after Cherokee County jail officials sprung him to attend a holiday dinner nearly three years earlier.

He had a $20,000 bank account _ and deposited money into it by selling items on eBay for deputies, jailers and even the sheriff, according to a state investigation. It's a good thing that Bell was earning money, though. After all, he had to pay his cell phone bill and needed money for his planned wedding to one of his jailers.

The bizarre prison term of Bell, who was released last year, has launched a state criminal probe and outraged people in this close-knit former mill town about 50 miles south of Charlotte, N.C. While behind bars, Bell became so trusted that he ran a business washing county cars, was driven by an officer to shop at Wal-Mart and was allowed to eat dinner at his parents' house.

.........................

To continue this insightful read click on link.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052601740.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Haven't read one of there Magazines since 5th grade detention.

Posted by: Vicc | May 28, 2009 3:05 PM

If you haven't read it for 45 years, how can you say it's garbage?

And was 6th grade detention the year you switched to Hustler?

And what were you in detention for? Misuse of capital letters? Confusion between there and their?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Madden '010 ratings are out. Well only the top ten at each position has been released. Good news, looks like Stampy is the best rated defender in the game. Check it out. http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2009/05/your-madden-10-player-ratings-are-out.html

Hope the Red Snapper finally gets some juice this year!

Posted by: Predator48 | May 28, 2009 2:29 PM

Turner the Burner too high
T. O. too low
Tony Gonzalez too high
Calvin Johnson waaay too low
Roddy White waaay too high

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

But it was him, def. In one of those Benzs that look like a Jeep Wrangler......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:05 PM

And he was thinking "Damn if that doesn't look like 4thFloor. How come he hasn't been in my restaurant lately? And where'd he get that ride? Looks like a '65 Corvette. Dude's got class."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey, 4th, you talking about the new job yet?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I was walking.......

I am not the type of person to hound a 'celebrity'. But I always give a 'What's up, Dude!'

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I think I can. I am no longer an accountant by day.

I am now in Property Management. Now on the forefront instead of lying in the background.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I was walking.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:18 PM |

And he was thinking "Damn if that doesn't look like 4thFloor. How come he hasn't been in my restaurant lately? And where'd he get those kicks? Looks like Italian leather. Dude's got class."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Moe as you allegedly call yourself. I think you're the dude from the Gong Show who came out with a bag on his head and told STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPIT AZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ jokes. Then many years later became Mrs. Moe because she was hot. She then dumped your azz for Richard Simmons, and now you are just Mr. Moe. Do you have 2 brothers named Larry and Curly. Now Curly was a funny mutha'

No actually you are a funny guy...But not really...

Have A Nice Day...........

Posted by: BingCreole | May 28, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

a convictreprenuer?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Reason #21 to not like and/or live in Dallas

Tests prove innocence of 23-year prisoner in Texas

The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 8:39 PM

DALLAS -- The Dallas County District Attorney says a man who has spent nearly 23 years in prison on a sexual assault conviction is set to be exonerated by DNA testing.

District Attorney Craig Watkins said Tuesday that post-conviction tests have proved Jerry Lee Evans is innocent. The 47-year-old Evans was sentenced to life in prison in 1987 after being convicted of aggravated sexual assault with a deadly weapon.

Evans was picked by the victim out of a photo lineup one year after the assault near downtown Dallas. A hearing was scheduled Wednesday to enter the DNA test results in court.

The New York-based Innocence Project says Dallas County has led the nation in DNA exonerations since 2000. Evans would be the county's 21st.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052603128_pf.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I am now in Property Management. Now on the forefront instead of lying in the background.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:20 PM

Alright! Now you've got to change your handle from 4thFloor to TotalBuilding.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

You're so myopic. The Redskins let Jason Taylor go and he's starting for Miami. The Redskins let Shawn Springs go and he's starting for New England. The Redskins let Demetric Evans go and he's starting for San Francisco. So what does that say about the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Demetric Evans was at the end of his contract and the team did make an offer that was too small. That's not the same as being cut. As for Shawn Springs, how much do you want to put on him playing the whole season in New England? I don't think he'll make it through preseason. The Pats usually make smart personnel moves but I think this one will come back to haunt them. Getting rid of Springs was the right thing for the Skins to do, but it was a year later than it should have happened. I have said it before and I will say it again: when the Skins release a guy like Marcus Washington and no one signs him, it says the talent is shallow on the releasing team and the player is widely regarded as not worth the money.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 28, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't read it for 45 years, how can you say it's garbage?

And was 6th grade detention the year you switched to Hustler?

And what were you in detention for? Misuse of capital letters? Confusion between there and their?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse


You're a funny guy.

Lemme clarify: SI has been hating on the Redskins for a long time. They claim Kyle Orton is better than Jason Campbell...would you read that garbage?

Posted by: Vicc | May 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

bringing it full circle.....

why didn't they re-sign Antonio Pierce!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Eggs Ackly...Nothing worse than having a 'Skin top player sign with the hated rival..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

funny how Nnamdi was the best defensive player (according to Madden) in the league ... and almost no one has ever heard of him. That's what happens when QBs never throw the ball in your direction. I recall reading that he gave up less than 200 yards in receptions ... all year ... covering other team's #1.

Andre Johnson, the #2 WR according to Madden, played vs Tenn, Oakland and Chicago in is last 3 games

Here are his week 15, 16 & 17 totals

W15 11 for 207 yds 1 TD
W16 2 for 19 yds
W17 10 for 148 yds 2TDs

Guess which game he went up against Nnamdi?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Adios Jasno, it's been fun.

via PFT

NFLN Adds Another Insider
Posted by Mike Florio on May 28, 2009, 3:12 p.m.

Redskins beat writer Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post is heading the NFL Network, a source with knowledge of the situation tells us.

La Canfora will join a stable of NFL reporters that has been filling the shoes previously occupied by Adam Schefter.

Schefter, though still technically employed by NFLN, will be moving to ESPN after his contract expires in August.

Because the network is owned by the league, it’s essentially owned in equally-sized 1/32nd chunks by the teams. And so, in a roundabout way, La Canfora will be working for the franchise whose Executive V.P. of Football Operations he accused of slander last year.

“He is a making a mockery of fact and reality and trying to play people for fools,” La Canfora wrote in an e-mail regarding a dispute with Vinny Cerrato over the question of whether his comments about former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin constituted tampering.

“It’s [a] pathetic attempt to slander me,” La Canfora said, ”but not surprising in the least given who it is coming from.”

So now La Canfora and Cerrato are, in a weird sort of way, colleagues.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 28, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Lemme clarify: SI has been hating on the Redskins for a long time. They claim Kyle Orton is better than Jason Campbell...would you read that garbage?

Posted by: Vicc

With Bar Raphaeli on the cover? ... Yes

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins beat writer Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post is heading the NFL Network, a source with knowledge of the situation tells us.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 28, 2009 3:32 PM

That's pretty amazing. What it means is that Cnyder and Serrato finally got the Post to fire Jasno.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Good for Jasno! Bigger pond. Covering "football" as in the game, rather than "a team". I applaud this.

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Alright! Now you've got to change your handle from 4thFloor to TotalBuilding.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:24 PM

I have inside information on this ... he's in the first basement.

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

frak, I was kidding....hopefully you were as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Nice move up for JLa. Now he can slam the Skins mgmt nationally instead of just here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, strong doubts on WaPo firing him ... probalby more like not able to match the salary. You know, print media and all. [NFL reporting is digital.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Well done Jasno...Im not going to know what to do with everything spelled correctly.

I got it...

Wel doen JASNO

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 28, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Congrats JaLaCa

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

4th

If your in property management now, you got any sweet deals on the coast there. Lokking to make the jump from Cheyenne back to Maryland

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 28, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

frak, I was kidding....hopefully you were as well....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 3:42 PM

You were not. Everytime it gets slow up here, you come back with your "Bring Back Pierce Campaign." I would have thought you'd be over it by now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, there goes the neighborhood. What will MrRedskin21, jmicrodoc, barno, and various one-post-wonders have to complain about now?

Posted by: 4-12 | May 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

JLA needed to go to NFL Network, he'll fit in better there instead of focusing on a team he doesn't have strong local sentiments for..May The Force Be With You, and 16 Ga 40..tres bien

As for Pierce, Ol' Bean, he has been quite the quarterback for a Giants team that has dominated the NFC for the past couple of years..Our current MLB rawks fine though, mate..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

t_e_, strong doubts on WaPo firing him ... probalby more like not able to match the salary. You know, print media and all. [NFL reporting is digital.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 3:43 PM

I agree. I think the Post probably matched other offers for a few years just so it wouldn't look like they were caving to Cnyder and Serrato. But I also bet they don't fill his job, what with print media downsizing and all. And when you lose a chunker like Jasno, you know you're downsizing. [Same as when I retired, I'm forced to admit.]

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

You'd think that if JLa could break any story as an insider, it would be the one about him ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Espn is cutting 100 employee's....

Funny....didn't someone take the Redskins to task for cutting employee's, while signing players??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

JASNO to NFLN??!?!?!

NNNOOOOOOoooooo! Now we aqre getting hated by a new network.

I thought Jasno didn't even like Football! Blame it on the bloggers!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What will MrRedskin21, jmicrodoc, barno, and various one-post-wonders have to complain about now?

Posted by: 4-12 | May 28, 2009 3:51 PM

You? We're really tired of your incessant negativity, 4-12. Come back as 14-2 and we'll let up on you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

congrats on the move up to nfln jlc

you are still a tubby dork d-bag

but you are a pretty good writer

still a huge d-bag

Posted by: jonthefisherman | May 28, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Traceeeee for the Skins beat.

Posted by: WorstSeat | May 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

JASNO to NFLN??!?!?!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 3:54 PM

Today it's NFLN. Within six months it will be RNN -- Ravens National Network.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Espn is cutting 100 employee's....

Funny....didn't someone take the Redskins to task for cutting employee's, while signing players??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 3:54 PM |

That's because we all own Disney stock, but none of us owns stock in the Redskins.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Um quick question. Where did it say he was leaving the post.. Being a reporter is not like a normal job. Many hats ah la Tony K

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Now that I have my initial knee jerk reaction out of the way..........

I'll take a wait and see approach. But I still find it weird that he didn't take a Hockey/Baseball/Soccer post as he puts those 3 in fron of real Football. I guess at the end of the day, it pays more to be an NFL Reporter than any of the others.

My burning question of the day is:

Why didn't NFLN get Maske as he is a true NFL Insider?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Can we get a beep beep on that.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

If your in property management now, you got any sweet deals on the coast there. Lokking to make the jump from Cheyenne back to Maryland

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 28, 2009 3:46 PM

Sorry! I am in commercial real estate.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

'Why didn't NFLN get Maske as he is a true NFL Insider?'

Maske pretty level, which would count him out at NFLN or ESPN..sike

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Excellent news that JLC is leaving the Post -- if true! He sucks as an objective journalist and destroyed relationships that were critical to complete his job. At NFLN he will only be required to report the facts.

Crossing my fingers that the post picks a new beat writer who actually likes the team and is a good journalist. That is if the editor allows them to write objectively...

Posted by: siris | May 28, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't NFLN get Maske as he is a true NFL Insider?

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 4:03 PM

1. They don't want a real insider in that job.

2. The Post would have tried to keep Maske. Jasno may have been their second choice. Or lower.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I still say that if he can't break the news about himself, what kind of insider is he?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone confirmed this, or is this another Bean ruse?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Washington is done as a starting OLB. He's only going to get a vet minimum contract as a backup. Injuries and age have adversely affected his speed. He can no longer effectively rush the passer and had trouble covering TEs...

I bet he signs with a team during training camp, but the Skins offer is certainly off the table.

Posted by: siris | May 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Smack
I can confirm that its up on PFT but no where else.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone confirmed this, or is this another Bean ruse?

Posted by: SMACK1 | May 28, 2009 4:19 PM

85% of Bean ruses involve Antonio Pierce. Bean will be along in a while to say that Antonio Pierce is taking Jasno's position.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If Washington was offered vet minimum, any chance that in the absence of a better offer he comes back to the Skins.

He would have to swallow a bit of pride after already turning them down once.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

According to JLaC, MWash wouldn't even think of coming back here. He never said why though...

How did he ever get slighted? He collected a paycheck from them for 5 years and was healthy for only 1 or 2 of those years to play a full 16.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 28, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Siris, please tell me you see the irony in this statement:

"Crossing my fingers that the post picks a new beat writer who actually likes the team and is a good journalist. That is if the editor allows them to write objectively..."

Congrats Jasno. I would expect Reid will be given the beat job officially, a position I would surmise he actually had since sometime midseason, with JLC as more of a commentator.

Posted by: chrislarry | May 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that the man charged with replacing JLA, is none other than former Redskin, current Giant, Antonio Pierce........


what....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is THANK GOD...NFLN Adds Another Insider
Posted by Mike Florio on May 28, 2009, 3:12 p.m. EDT
Redskins beat writer Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post is heading the NFL Network, a source with knowledge of the situation tells us.

La Canfora will join a stable of NFL reporters that has been filling the shoes previously occupied by Adam Schefter.

Schefter, though still technically employed by NFLN, will be moving to ESPN after his contract expires in August.

Because the network is owned by the league, it’s essentially owned in equally-sized 1/32nd chunks by the teams. And so, in a roundabout way, La Canfora will be working for the franchise whose Executive V.P. of Football Operations he accused of slander last year.

“He is a making a mockery of fact and reality and trying to play people for fools,” La Canfora wrote in an e-mail regarding a dispute with Vinny Cerrato over the question of whether his comments about former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin constituted tampering.

“It’s [a] pathetic attempt to slander me,” La Canfora said, “but not surprising in the least given who it is coming from.”

So now La Canfora and Cerrato are, in a weird sort of way, colleagues.

Posted by: russberlin65 | May 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

But if he gets no other offers maybe he bites the bullet (no offense to any Kurt Cobain fans)

Posted by: CheyenneWY | May 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Jasno will have a post for you a little later. He has not been fired; where do you get these ideas?

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

siris, no way do I want a beat reporter "who actually likes the team." Liking the team has nothing to do with being a good beat reporter, and in fact would hamper someone's ability to report objectively.

I want a beat reporter with the brains to figure out the straight dope on the team -- good, bad and ugly -- and the guts to provide it up here. That's what Jasno has given us for nigh on three years now.

If you prefer company-line yarns spun by dedicated homers, head on over to the Redskins' wholly owned blog and discussion board. They'll give you what you want and a whole lot less.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

He has not been fired; where do you get these ideas?

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 28, 2009 4:53 PM

Putting two and two together. The greatest place to work in the world is the Washington Post. And the best beat at the Post is the Redskins. And the best person to work for is Cindy Boren. So, no on would voluntarily leave this job. If you leave it means either (1) you were fired or (2) you died. Dude's not dead. So, he must have been fired.

And if he is leaving, I hope he's taking us all out for a beer with his severance payment from the Post.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I really like the way Jasno writes in the article articles ... but Boswell is the guy who penned "lust for mayhem."

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I really like the way Jasno writes in the article articles ... but Boswell is the guy who penned "lust for mayhem."

Posted by: dcsween | May 28, 2009 5:05 PM

Actually, Jasno wrote it first. But with his spelling it was "lost or my hem" and it never really caught on.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

here is a positive power ranking for the skins.

"10) Washington Redskins

Can Jason Campbell carry that offense when they need him to? I'm not so sure, but Clinton Portis can! Which is why I was confused when Jim Zorn stopped giving him the ball last year.

Washington has short receivers (Moss, Randle El & Cooley) which hurts their passing game in some aspects, but they make up for it with their speed.

Their defense should be one of the best this year, but how consistent they can be will be a huge question.

Washington could be a sleeper for the division title, but due to the consistency New York and Philly has proven, I don't like them to win it. A playoff berth is more reasonable.

Expect a winning record, but don't be surprised if they make or don't make the playoffs. This is a team on the fence with something to prove. "

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/185851-who-you-got-nfl-power-rankings/page/3

Posted by: leevi98 | May 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If you prefer company-line yarns spun by dedicated homers, head on over to the Redskins' wholly owned blog and discussion board. They'll give you what you want and a whole lot less.
=======

You're certainly overstating the case that JLAC was unbiased and neutral.

He did a good job when he didn't let his personal biases get in the way. But he did let those get in the way at times. So you had to parse through his reports as much as you would have to parse through reports from Redskins.com or Exxxxxxxxxxxxxtremeskins.com.

That said, don't hate on Matt Terl. He's doing a pretty bang up job.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | May 28, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"but don't be surprised if they make or don't make the playoffs."

Now THAT's great journalism.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 28, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

1) Keep your draft picks

2) Draft players

3) Replace injured players with young guys that have something to prove

4) Stop signing guys with the word "journeyman" associated with their NFL career

5) Retire #21

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

He has not been fired; where do you get these ideas?

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 28, 2009 4:53 PM

And, by the way, when they fired him, they weren't going to embarass him by telling his colleagues. So your denial, while honest, is just not credible.

But you can bet there's smirks on the faces of Cnyder and Serrato this evening. And wait 'til he reports to work and has to call them Mr. Cnyder and Mr. Serrato instead of some of those other terms he's used on this blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Can Jason Campbell carry that offense when they need him to? I'm not so sure, but Clinton Portis can! Which is why I was confused when Jim Zorn stopped giving him the ball last year."

If Jim wanted to gring Clint into the dirt, that was an option, even though some might say thats what he did..Step up, second year players, y'all will help a ton..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"instead of some of those other terms he's used on this blog."

Posted by: talent_evaluator

You mean terms like "anonymous", "source", "familiar", "situation", "anonymity", and "quarterback"?

Cooked...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 28, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Jasno will have a post for you a little later. He has not been fired; where do you get these ideas?

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse


Well we know he won't be able to cover the Skins full time for the post anymore,so who cares if he was fired or not,as long as he's gone.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You mean terms like "anonymous", "source", "familiar", "situation", "anonymity", and "quarterback"?

Cooked...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 28, 2009 5:25 PM

No, I was actually referring to when he used to call the owner "Danny Boy" and he had that lame contest of his to invent a nickname for Vinnie. I have a lot of respect for Jasno and his work, but those were not his finer moments.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

No, I was actually referring to when he used to call the owner "Danny Boy" and he had that lame contest of his to invent a nickname for Vinnie. I have a lot of respect for Jasno and his work, but those were not his finer moments.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |


Oh...well I was referring to his over-utilization of anonymous sources familiar with particular situations.

Here's the part where Cindy comes in and says the following:

"All Washington Post blogs must conform to the same standards as stories in the newspaper, which means that, among other things, material attributed to anonymous sources always must be independently confirmed."

Wait for it........waaaaaaaait for it...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 28, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

on one hand I'm happy that J Ca Ca is leaving as he is worthless. Hopefully the Post will fill the "void" with someone who actually reports on the team in an un-biased manner and doesn't have an axe to grind.

It's too bad Ca Ca got a promotion to NFLN, Ca Ca is the complete opposite of the departing Adam Schefter. NFLN just got a little worse.

But good riddance Ca Ca - you SUCK!

Posted by: IHateJLC | May 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

(The Va. DMV is banning smiling for their driver's license photos , and I posted this comment elsewhere..)

re: Death Rays From Emperor Ming's Blimp
posted at 5/28/2009 6:18 PM EDT

frak
First post: 1/4/2008
Last post: 5/28/2009
Total posts: 6

How are you going to give Darrell Green a driver's license?? The reason Darrell was able to heal from his injuries quickly was because he had the love in his heart, let alone be All-Pro, NFL Fastest Man for several years in a row..Death rays and ugliness may benefit those at the very top, but if you ain't got the Love, Va DMV, you ain't got Life..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Siris do you use the same criteria to pick a doctor? Going from doctor's office to doctor's office until you finally find one who'll say that thing on your back is "probably nothing."

Posted by: mack1 | May 28, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The Va. DMV is banning smiling for their driver's license photos , and I posted this comment elsewhere..)

re: Death Rays From Emperor Ming's Blimp
posted at 5/28/2009 6:18 PM EDT

frak ****

maybe they should change the motto: Virginia is for FROWNERS!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 28, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"10) Washington Redskins

Can Jason Campbell carry that offense when they need him to? I'm not so sure, but Clinton Portis can! Which is why I was confused when Jim Zorn stopped giving him the ball last year.

Washington has short receivers (Moss, Randle El & Cooley) which hurts their passing game in some aspects, but they make up for it with their speed.

Their defense should be one of the best this year, but how consistent they can be will be a huge question.

Washington could be a sleeper for the division title, but due to the consistency New York and Philly has proven, I don't like them to win it. A playoff berth is more reasonable.

Expect a winning record, but don't be surprised if they make or don't make the playoffs. This is a team on the fence with something to prove. "

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/185851-who-you-got-nfl-power-rankings/page/3

Posted by: leevi98


Very funny stuff. I will be absolutely stunned if they either make or don't make the playoffs because I thought those were the only two choices. Kinda like a kid being a boy or a girl ... what 3rd choice is there? (OK, this is probably the wrong group to ask ...)

As for Portis not getting the ball, well, did you look at his yards/carry after game 8? He sucked. Well, actually the OL sucked. The reason Portis didn't get the ball was because he had nowhere to run to. Campbell had nowhere to hide.

There's a song in there somewhere ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 28, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

But good riddance Ca Ca - you SUCK!

Posted by: IHateJLC | May 28, 2009 6:16 PM

Ca Ca? Really? Keep it up the potty talk and we'll take your binky away.

Posted by: mack1 | May 28, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Good for JLC, what a sweet gig. I'm so tired of Steve Wyche; I can't remember him ever breaking a story while Schefter gave Glazer a run for his money.

Posted by: theskinnypost | May 28, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The decent human being in me wishes JLA well on his new gig.


The RI regular in me receives this news with a mild sense of relief and a shrug of the shoulders. I only hope that JReid is not so stupid as to use the JLA PLaybook for Burning Bridges so that we can actually get some insider info on here. RI is bigger than JLA, and he has us to thank for coming on here and ripping him with a thousand posts a day which gave him all this attention...

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"People" magazine, Cork? No one reads People magazine unless they're in line to check out of the Piggly Wiggly and someone else has already grabbed all the National Enquirers and Cosmopolitans. Did you also see this feature on "Entertainment Tonight"?

Posted by: talent_evaluator

LOVE the Piggly Wiggy reference. What can I say, the woman I live with, subscribes to People. I love her anyway.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

+++(Wilt) high jumped over 6'6" when the world record was around 6'10"+++

Well it's a lot easier when your hands aren't weighed down with championship rings.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Jasno will have a post for you a little later. He has not been fired; where do you get these ideas?

Posted by: CindyBoren

You beat me to it. Some of these dudes posting this crud are incapable of understanding how one guy can draw paychecks from two organizations--whichy I suspect may be the case. I guess that whole Tony K thing was beyond their grasp.

These are the same people who criticize JLC for bad reporting, for lifting stories, for getting his facts wrong.

Let's see if these guys print retractions once it's straightened out. The idea that the newspaper which refused to kowtow to Nixon and his henchmen would shudder under the assault of Danny's pipsqueek brigade of surrogates is laughable.

Regardless, congrats.


Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Let's see if Jasno can take TheCork with him. Dude you're really boring.

Posted by: TWISI | May 28, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

on one hand I'm happy that J Ca Ca is leaving as he is worthless.

Posted by: IHateJLC | May 28, 2009 6:16 PM

Another dude whose identity is defined by hate will not have to change his screen name. C'est la vie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

bingcreole

"...I think you're the dude from the Gong Show who came out with a bag on his head.."

Actually, in real life, I'm a very evil guy.

Think of me as the Anti-Obama.

He says, "Hope," and I say, "Nope."

But I did give Willis Reed his props, just as you asked me to.

And speaking of props, we'll drop a 'Go 'head, boy' to Jasno if he is being elevated from schlub to NFL Network talking head.

Please let Flounder21 or periculum or beantown or thetruth or talent_evaluator psps23 or twisi or the Cork or frak or cheyenne or redDmv or slipperyrichard or p1funk takeover management of the blog.

Anybody but Moe.

That guy is an idiot.

That guy

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

do you mean he will not have to or now have to. And until we know what NFL N is using JLC for I am not gonna jump to conclusions.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

do you mean he will not have to or now have to. And until we know what NFL N is using JLC for I am not gonna jump to conclusions.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 28, 2009 8:42 PM |

Yeah, I meant "now." Not doesn't make any sense at all. I was hoping someone would think it was profound.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Why are folks hating on JLC so much?

The guy's career--such as it is--is 'moving on up' to quote George and Weezy.

Another person's success enriches us all.

I wish the brother all the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

You beat me to it. Some of these dudes posting this crud are incapable of understanding how one guy can draw paychecks from two organizations--whichy I suspect may be the case.

Posted by: TheCork | May 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse


Good point.

After all JLA's job on this blog pretty much consists of cutting/pasting NFL Network's updates on the Skins a day later...it's not like he has inside access or anything, you know.

Posted by: p1funk | May 28, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Another person's success enriches us all.

I wish the brother all the best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 9:11 PM |

Well, not "all." Consider the poor slobs who were hoping to get the job he got. They're not enriched. They're impoverished. They're crushed like popcorn under a taxi cab's wheel. They'll get over it one day, probably when they realize they can apply for the job that Jasno just left.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 28, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Good point.

After all JLA's job on this blog pretty much consists of cutting/pasting NFL Network's updates on the Skins a day later...it's not like he has inside access or anything, you know."

Yep. I remember my dismember, lookin' up the the Redskins' endnotes at the end of the paper ,Post's 'Skins articles for the really crunchy Doritos..I suspect WJLA, the conglomerate., tool of a tool of a tool of a..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

..sabotageed, what else is new..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

God said, " Out on Highway 61"..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Raise your hand if you're cheering for the magic.

I'm hoping for a non-popular teams NBA Finals: Nuggets v. Magic--a game that I, like most of America, won't watch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 28, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Would serve the NBA right to have magic/nuggets finals. And I will click to the finals periodically to see how the finals are going, but not actually watch.

Was going to try that whole insert image of Curzon raising his hand yadda yadda yadda, but no one can pull off a MistaMoe...

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 28, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for a non-popular teams NBA Finals: Nuggets v. Magic--a game that I, like most of America, won't watch.

I like Dwight, Let's end this military-industrial stranglehold on international relations, and the Terrible Turkoglu is not the monsta the media and oil company would have us believe..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Saw the "PEARL" just out of W-S STATE playing in the PORTSMOUTH INVITATIONAL in '67 and BILLY CUNNINGHAM in '65. Whew! But neither of them could hold a candle to DR. J in his rookie season with the VIRGINIA SQUIRES.

And I'm raising my hand for the MAGIC. HOWARD is a full grow'd MAN and he's on a mission!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 28, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow thats cool Jason..Congrats.

I think Im one of the origional posters on that fateful day you started this blog years ago. I dont post anymore but troll whats being written. But I thought I'd post one last time while your still somewhat posting. Thanks Jasno for the fun and insightful ripping of my most hated Vincent and Danny. And if you decide to have a pub crawl out here in Los Angeles, like you did in D.C. count me in!!!!

Posted by: Tyler84101 | May 28, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

According to WaPo Live today, it's pretty much a done deal about JLC going to the NFL Network (I don't think the earlier post from "Cindy" was actually Cindy.)

I'm sure JLC is thrilled with the change since he hates the Skins so much but in my opinion it seems a very strange move for the NFL Network to make.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 28, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

OKAY, a little perceptional commentary from everybody's favorite beerskum, Ye Punke Raffe..Coach of the Year Mike Brown is overrated, man, I've been watching the NBA since I was a tyke, and anybody with season tickets will tell you, the REAL NBA season starts with the playoffs, dudes are just cruisin' through the regular season usually, and if that's the case, all you gotta do is throw the ball to Lebron at the end of the game to rack a winner (I won't say a "W" as long as Bush Jr. is alive)..Lebron needs to totally takeover if the Cavs are going to win..

Posted by: frak | May 28, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

(we never had season tickets, strictly middle class at best, so shoot me stalin for bein' bougeouis , you jealous piece of sharks chewin' on my a** fer brownie points (yer doin' a great job)..)

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

And just a word for the poor people in Washington, D.C.- You worthless pieces of oil-war money laundering pieces of Sh*t that vomit out those crapola concrete condos on the backs of mexi slave laborers smack in the middle of downtown, and then turn around and deny the eternally oppressed black population there a f*ckin' affordable place to live deserve to BURN IN HELL...burn in hell...BURN MUTHERF*CK*R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Frak.. were you on meth or something. JFC only like 30% of what you wrote makes any sense.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I wish JLC all the best.

Posted by: jm220 | May 29, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

How in God's name does Dwight Howard shoot 80% from the field and you ONLY get him 10 shots for the entire game. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN RON JEREMY?? SVG might blow this series after all.

Oh well. Still don't think Cleveland has the chops for it.

BTW, does anybody else think Cleveland is the worst basketball team to watch play? It's by far the most boring thing I've ever seen on a court. I'd rather watch the Wizards play the Clippers than watch one player literally dribble the ball at the top of the key for 20 straight seconds before barreling towards the basket and getting bailed out with a foul. It's not even basketball anymore.

Posted by: psps23 | May 29, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

al, thats some funny stuff right there....

jm, agreed. All the best Jla.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Psps23 on Cleveland...I hope Orlando handles business against those guys to save us from watching another single minute of that crap. And the less LeBron I see, the better.

As for JLC's "promotion"...still awaiting word on what that means for his Post job. If he's doing both, then I don't want to see that much of the guy. If he's leaving the Post and handing the keys of the blog to someone who actually ENJOYS covering the Redskins, then I'll be a happy man.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 29, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

So many questions, so many random thoughts:

If Jasno is leaving, I wonder who will cover the mini-camp that's starting Monday?

And I can't wait for the initial Rich Eisen v. Jasno smackdown on NFL All Access.

Will Canfora be intimidated by Eisen's uncanny ability to pull NFL data and cultural references out of thin air?

Will Cindy Boren takeover the blog, a la Jay-Z in New York v. Nas, and declare herself Hova?

And who won that whole battle anyway: Jay-Z or Nas?

To me, Biggie will always be King of New York.

The only thing Nas has going for him is Kelis and he's about to screw that up.

"Insane" is the best Eminem song in five years.

Lil Wayne v. Eminem?: Em wins without a doubt.

None of the big summer movies seem worthy of attention.

The problem with internet celebrity sex tapes is that the celebrities you want to see getting it on aren't making the tapes, and the ones you don't want to see are.

Frak sounds like a guy I'd like to get drunk with: thing is, I don't drink.

The republican in me still thinks Obama is doing a great job.

Carl Pavano will dominate the Yanks on Sunday.

Rather than punish college teams like Memphis for rules violations, why doesn't the NCAA just ban the coaches for working for a year?

The way it works now, kids who had nothing to do with the fraud have their seasons and accomplishments damaged, while the coach--John Calipari, for examp--gets paid a bucket of cash to leave for another school.

Yes: this is another in a long series of rambling, pointless posts, but hey, I really have to work today, and so, I'm out early.

But tonight, I will have a beer and re-read frak's posts: perhaps then they'll make sense.

Peace.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 29, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

This website used the Skins to show the new run blocking animations for Madden 10...enjoy!

http://www.maddenlounge.com/

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 29, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

moe, good stuff.

Terminator movie, and Transformers II, might be worthwhile. Transforers only because my 7 year old son will want to see it. Land of the Lost, but only cause I'm a huge WFarrel fan.

moe, stating pavano will dominate the yanks, after stating that you don't drink, seem to be contradictory. One could only come to the "pavano/dominate" conclusion while under the influence of something......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Moe,
I am thinking something stronger than beer would be needed. So Cindy, if Jason is leaving can we have a RI fan vote on who we would like to see as the beat reporter... And will there be a party... with balloon hats and a clown.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

For all the CP haters.


If the conversation is about the NFL's best active running backs, the names Adrian Peterson, DeAngelo Williams, Clinton Portis and LaDainian Tomlinson have to be mentioned. Ronnie Brown? He was the NFL's 19th-leading rusher a season ago, and his professional resume includes only one 1,000-yard season, that coming two coaches and seemingly a lifetime ago in 2006. But Brown, 27, who is about to embark on the most important season of his career, already believes his name belongs with the league's elite runners. ''I definitely do,'' Brown said Thursday after the Dolphins finished their latest organized team activities session. "You got to have confidence on this level and, you know, if I didn't, I wouldn't want to be playing this game. So, obviously, when their names are brought up I want my name to be in that same group.''

Miami Herald

Posted by: jm220 | May 29, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

ps: "How in God's name does Dwight Howard shoot 80% from the field and you ONLY get him 10 shots for the entire game. HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN RON JEREMY?? SVG might blow this series after all."

He hit 80% because the Cavs stopped dropping back to defend him and instead pressured the rest of the Magic into shooting 32% from the arc.

While Cleveland shot 50% from behind the 3 point line.

Wonder if we'll see the same thing next game...

Posted by: Samson151 | May 29, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Ronnie Brown is a good player, no doubt, but he needs to shut his mouth, and put up some stats in order to be thought of as top 10 material.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Until a guy can put up 1300 yards 2-3 years in a row I don't think you can even begin to put him in the elite category

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious if those of you who say that the Post should replace Jasno with someone who "likes" the team are also the same people who complain about media bias in political reporting?

I should think that the LAST thing that you would want your beat writer to be accused of is being a fan of the team he covers, unless you're interested in non-objective reporting.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 29, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't care if the new person likes, or hates the team, I'd prefer they be unbiased, report facts, get actual insider information, report on relevant things in regard to the team...thats all.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

They'll probably make Boswell take over the beat - he does everything else these days, it seems.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 29, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

JohnD--

I think you're pushing it a bit. Isn't it possible to like a team and also to be an unbiased reporter? If not, then you must also agree that you can't dislike a team and also be an unbiased reporter.

Personally, I think Jasno's biases are not in his print reporting but in his blogging. Referring to the owner as "Danny Boy" in a blog is not unbiased and it is not professional. Running a contest to "pick a nick name for Vinny" is not unbiased and it is not professional.

That said, with as much blogging and Jasno's done, he's entitled to a few clunkers. He's put a lot of good stuff up here -- both inside information and well-reasoned analysis.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Great blog and good luck. Agree or disagree with JLC, I thought the blog was entertaining, and I appreciate the time he and company spent to keep it up to date. Where else have we gotten better gossip/info about the team?

Posted by: mikeskapla | May 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If Jasno leaves, I would like to see Mike and Dan do the reporting more for the skins, no offense to JR. Or you could have all three and call the blog 3 bald guys.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

They'll probably make Boswell take over the beat - he does everything else these days, it seems.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 29, 2009 9:59 AM

I'd like to have Sally Jenkins. Not only does she not do anything these days, but she'd drive Cnyder and Serrato crazy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

T_E
It depends on how you view bias. The old way of thinking was that you have to pretend not to have an opinion and report that way. I think that way of the world is over, people started finding hidden agendas in reporting (some were there some were not). I personally enjoy the style of reporting where a person with 1/2 a brain can tell the POV of the reporter. Its the style thats taking hold of a nation.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"Frak.. were you on meth or something. JFC only like 30% of what you wrote makes any sense."

Posted by: alex35332

jim beam in the Styrofoam cup..mushroom festival, my alien homey..JFC is cruelty to chickens, peace..

Posted by: frak | May 29, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

JFC is cruelty to chickens, peace..

1. I believe you meant, KFC

2. Fried chicken is good

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Moe: "The way it works now, kids who had nothing to do with the fraud have their seasons and accomplishments damaged, while the coach--John Calipari, for examp--gets paid a bucket of cash to leave for another school."


So Derrick Rose was forced to let someone sit for the SAT for him?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

2. Fried chicken is good

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 10:22 AM


Popeye's, yes! Bojangle's, mostly. KFC, no.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I would like to Danny takover the blog like he did sports talk 980. That way he could control the blog and fire some of these idiot posters and hire new posters just when the idiot posters seem like they have sense. cant have too much continuity around here ( hey Dan)

Dan Snyder = Vince McMahon

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 29, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

mmm popeye's

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

mmm popeye's

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

te, KFC is about as good as it gets up in these parts. There aren't that many options, other than KFC....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"lol, T_E

Yeh, not much to be said for those SEC'ers - Though them yellow jackets are kinda pesky, too.

... they have been to mah 'Canes, anyway. Oh well, at least you're ACC.

Posted by: DikShuttle |"


lmfao @ ACC homers

my god, yall are awful

how does it feel knowing the Big East > the ACC

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid is and has been TWP's Redskins beat reporter since he joined the paper, according to TWP Sports Editor John DeNunzio during a chat on 1/29/09.

Washington, D.C.: You know, it's a thin line sometimes between being a reporter and being a columnist/editorial writer. JLC's recent "coverage" of the Redskins and incessant Cerrato-bashing has definitely crossed that line. If he's a reporter, then let him report. If he's an NFL Analyst (which he's not) then let him be an analyst. But these are two different things.

It's not like you don't have a shining example of how this works well - Ivan Carter does a MUCH better job of simply reporting what's going on with the Wiz. Yes he has his opinions and he lets them through occasionally. But he's not an analyst or a columnist and he doesn't try to be.

Jon DeNunzio: Ivan and Jason's roles are different, by design. The Post's tradtional beat reporter for the Redskins is Jason Reid. Jason La Canfora is in a non-traditional role of reporter/blogger/Jasno. That creates incongruities to some at times, but I think he handles it well ...

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

te, KFC is about as good as it gets up in these parts. There aren't that many options, other than KFC....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 10:43 AM |

I guess fried chicken is like sex -- even when it's bad it's great.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

10-4 on that te....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

2 things

1. When ranking fried chicken, KFC is at the bottom....

2. MistaMoe has steadily become day by slow day Cork 2.0

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I just can't believe what kind on utter nonsense ya'll be yackin' 'bout.

Here are The Ultimate game changers was.........

Ralph Sampson.....
Kwame Brown
Michael Olowokandi
Frederic Weis
Joe Barry Carroll
Marvin Webster
Len Bias

These are just to name a few....As a matter of fact it's interesting to note that Len Bias and Frederic Weis hjad perfectly identical careers....Same games played,points, boards,assists etc. How uncanny is that.

Mr.Edgar Allan Moe Have A Nice Day....Bag Head......

Posted by: BingCreole | May 29, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

how does it feel knowing the Big East > the ACC

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 10:47 AM

We wouldn't know. If it ever happens, we'll get back to you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"We wouldn't know. If it ever happens, we'll get back to you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Will an ACC team of the future ever have half the success West Virginia has had in the last 3/4 years?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

COWBOYS SUCK

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for reminding us all why we are here there truth.
Suck indeed

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"I guess fried chicken is like sex -- even when it's bad it's great.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Sometimes it's so bad you wonder if the chicken didn't get the best part of the deal...

You want chicken, go to Rowe's in Staunton or the Southern Kitchen in New Market. In DC it's prolly best to stick to El Pollo Rico... it's roasted, though.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 29, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

COWBOYS SUCK

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:20 AM |

Pretty safe posting that on a Redskins blog. Why don't you go post it on a Cowboys blog? They'll whup you up worse than when RedDMV neutered you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Anybody see Gibbs 73.0 appear yesterday in DC? He'll never make a public appearance with the Redskins. He'll only show up for important stuff, like he did yesterday. He donated some new vehicles and supplies to the Redcross. That's my coach right there.....

(Though he did the donation in conjunction with FedEx who happens to be a major sponsor for his NASCAR team and coincendently the Redskins)

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

El Pollo Rico is the best non-fried chicken around. I use to work in the same shopping center as El Pollo Rico for 4 tax seasons. And in the middle of the day, the parking lot is covered with smoke from all that cooking they do. Not good to smell all day long........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"...MistaMoe has steadily become day by slow day Cork 2.0..."

So this is my intervention?

The entire blog family is gathered around me as I stand here and admit that I'm fine when it's obvious that I'm not.

Okay: I can stop posting, just let me hit this, er, submit this final round of stupidity.

This is the point where get outed as a hack blogga who is addicted to posting like it was bong and words the leafy, bud-riddled green stuff?

Cork 2.0?

Yes: I have a problem.

The energy level is down.

The attention has been wavering.

What was funny and cleva one day has become schtick and passe the next.

(INSERT image): played out and not funny.

The baseball posts are complete strikeouts.

Geico Caveman redskin fan in a Trung Candidate jersey?: a prehistoric joke that doesn't need to be told anymore.

The anti-college basketball rants aren't the humorous slam dunks they used to be.

"...phallic allusions..."?: they've all gone limp.

Moe's Insta poll?: RI Nation has decided that Moe has become the most likely (33%), least interesting (33%), but perhaps worst blogga (39%).

It's a sad thing when folks call you ordinary and unfunny: I now know how Jerry Seinfeld feels.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 29, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Crisp & Juicy is the best Peruvian Chicken around. Ray's the Classics in Silver Spring used to have "Gourmet Fried Chicken", but I think they took it off the menu. That stuff was phenomenal though.

Posted by: psps23 | May 29, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

moe, you're all right in my book, I enjoy your baseball take......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 29, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Pretty safe posting that on a Redskins blog. Why don't you go post it on a Cowboys blog? They'll whup you up worse than when RedDMV neutered you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator "

look you freak

I don't know what RedDMV told you, but I don't get down like that. that's weird fetish ****, you perverted freak. You and him keep that kinda crap to yourselves, perverts.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Even MistaMoe's retirement (?) speech was better than anything talent_evaluator (who laughs at kids getting their heads chopped off) and RedDMV (who is a big fan of...the Department of Motor Vehicles???) have ever posted.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what RedDMV told you, but I don't get down like that. that's weird fetish ****, you perverted freak. You and him keep that kinda crap to yourselves, perverts.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:43 AM

You let it happen to you right up here in front of everyone. If you didn't want it made public, you shouldn't have stood around making a fool of yourself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

PS lol @ talent_evaluator supporting the Cowgirls


Should've known.


TheTruth has just started The Blue and White Scare. WHO HERE IS A COWGIRL FAN!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I dont think u can go wrong with any peruvian chicken.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I didn't say all that Moe. I just said you have become the New Cork 2.0. Every version is different. I was just making a visual notation.....

You say you talk baseball but I have never seen you discuss one of the best hitting ball clubs in the majors. My Gnats......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

psp, have you tried Chix on 11th Street just above U? Their Peruvian, Colombian and "Chix" roasted chicken (free-range and hormone and anti-biotic free) are all pretty good and the sides are fairly healthy. Don Pollo on Viers Mill in the Twin Brook shopping center also has good chicken.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Even MistaMoe's retirement (?) speech was better than anything talent_evaluator (who laughs at TheTruth11 getting his nutz chopped off by RedDMV) and RedDMV (who is a big fan of...the Department of Motor Vehicles???) have ever posted.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:48 AM

I've got to agree with you on that Truth. Dude's way outside the box on a blog where most of us are linear.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

BRAVES SWAT GNATS

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

keep your perverted fantasies to yourself or I'll attack you with my army

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I dont think u can go wrong with any peruvian chicken.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 11:50 AM

I've found a lot of it not worth eating in Adams Morgan, Mount Pleasant, and Columbia Heights: The KFCs of Peruvian chicken.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

TE - You've must have encountered one of those 'nice and crispy' on the outside and 'red and bloody' on the inside type of peruvian chickens. Talk about lost of appetite......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Well I think you go to a place like lil Peru in SS/TkPk for good peruvian, but a nice rotisserie chicken and some yucca. Drool.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

LH, never been there. I might have to try it out though, because I can pretty much guarantee that Crisp & Juicy is not healthy. I've only tried a couple other places (El Pollo Primo in Rockville, a couple random restaurants in Langley Park) but once I found Crisp & Juicy, it's pretty much been that and nothing else. I've got one near work and one near where I live, so it's been good to me, to say the least.

It's actually more about the sauce they have than the chicken itself, to tell you the truth.

But I'll definitely have to try Chix the next time I'm down on U street. I'm always up for new places.

Posted by: psps23 | May 29, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

where is this army of which truth speaks? (man, that sounds like some Shakespeare (sTTFp?) SJK right theah)

I haven't had much latin food I'm too happy w/ up heah either. Of course, I'm spoiled comin' from Miamuh.

I need to try it over around Piney Branch & Flower, tho. I hear those little places are supposed to be pretty good. I dunno, tho. Something tells me the $$ quality isn't right.

The way I look at it, the $$ Latin Americans are down in MIA, but the working class ones are here. (This is a generalization and in no way intended to slight anyone). So the pricepoint is going to reflect the clientele.

So far the only latin food I"ve had is here in Arlington. So far so 'not so good'.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 29, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say is I hope the Post replaces JLC with a reporter that writes more positive articles about the Skins.

I prefer to read both objective reporting and criticism -- when warranted. However, I could do without the constant negative bias and whining that is inherit in the articles JLC often posts.

Posted by: siris | May 29, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Besides, KFC isn't even chicken... ;-p

Did Moe really split?! Wow that's some thin skin. He'll be bak I'm sure.

Then again, 4th did call him Cork - ouch.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 29, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The post needs to replace the Skins beat reporter every 2 years. it seems to be as long as you can deal with Vinny Danny before they turn on you.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Cork 2.0?--MISTAMOE

In your Dreams--CORK

It's a sad thing when folks call you ordinary and unfunny: I now know how Jerry Seinfeld feels.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Unless you've actually done standup, you have NO IDEA how Jerry Seinfeld feels.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

where is this army of which truth speaks? (man, that sounds like some Shakespeare (sTTFp?) SJK right theah)
Posted by: DikShuttle | May 29, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Q: Where does the Truth keep his Army?

A: In his sleevy.

(laugh track)

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 29, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

That was good cheesy joke. I will now repackage it and attempt to use it at my next happy hour.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Washington, D.C.: You know, it's a thin line sometimes between being a reporter and being a columnist/editorial writer. JLC's recent "coverage" of the Redskins and incessant Cerrato-bashing has definitely crossed that line. If he's a reporter, then let him report. If he's an NFL Analyst (which he's not) then let him be an analyst. But these are two different things.

Posted by: Vinny Cerrato Jr.

Cerrato bashing? Thank gawd. Someone needs to. If you want to read nothing by suck-up coverage, you have a source. it's called Redskins.Com. Go over there and read all about the tampering probe, the weaknesses in the OLine, the Portis issue, the question of whether or not Hall and Haynesworth can play with mopney in their pockets. Oh wait. They dont' cover that. And they neve NEVER cerrato bash. Enjoy.

Believe it or not--and I doubt you believe it--the role of the REAL media is not to be a cheerleader for everything they cover.It's what politicians want, it's what dictators want, it's what sports franchises want, it's what people who don't value free speech want.

What you want, evidently, is nothing but positive coverage.Or at best, bland "rep[ortign" by someone who will pull his punches so as not to offend. If you didn't, you'd understand that anti-Cerrato "bias," whether it exists or not, is a small price to pay.

And if and when JLC leaves, if the new guy doesn't continue in that tradition, he will be worthless to the Post.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

What I meant to say is I hope the Post replaces JLC with a reporter that writes more positive articles about the Skins.

I prefer to read both objective reporting and criticism -- when warranted. However, I could do without the constant negative bias and whining that is inherit in the articles JLC often posts.

Posted by: siris | May 29, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse
I basically agree with you, siris.

Objective reportingwould weigh both the positive and the negative.

JLC lost his objectivity, went on a personal rampage against FO. Eventually everything he wrote tried to belittle the organization. FO is not doing everything well, but they have done some things well. A little balance in reporting, stating objectively positives and negatives, would be refreshing.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 29, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"That was good cheesy joke. I will now repackage it and attempt to use it at my next happy hour.....

Posted by: 4thFloor |"

Ignoring your caveman talk - "That was good cheesy joke" - do you actually plan to use that at an outing with other people? I can't imagine anyone who would look forward to using that joke would have friends.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The role of Media today is to make money for a no name corporation and/or Rupert Murdoch.

That directly conflicts actual 'reporting unbiasly' generally speaking...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Besides, KFC isn't even chicken... ;-p

Did Moe really split?! Wow that's some thin skin. He'll be bak I'm sure.

Then again, 4th did call him Cork - ouch.

Posted by: DikShuttle

i LOVE the smell of petty jealousy in the morning.

Come on people. Someone notice dikshuttle. He's feeling unloved and ignored.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

OMG all of you are still replying to this thread?

Str8 up...trifling.

The Source Meter owns JLC

Posted by: jmicrodoc | May 29, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The role of Media today is to make money for a no name corporation and/or Rupert Murdoch.

That directly conflicts actual 'reporting unbiasly' generally speaking...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Two WaPo sports guys:

1. Tony K. After that disatorous joke about a Spanish language NFL game broadcast you knew it was just a matter of time before he was heaved overboard.

2. JLC. After ESPN produced a segement with him analyzing the 2009 draft you knew it was just a matter of time before he went big time.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 29, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato bashing? Thank gawd. Someone needs to. If you want to read nothing by suck-up coverage, you have a source. it's called Redskins.Com. Go over there and read all about the tampering probe, the weaknesses in the OLine, the Portis issue, the question of whether or not Hall and Haynesworth can play with mopney in their pockets. Oh wait. They dont' cover that. And they neve NEVER cerrato bash. Enjoy.

Believe it or not--and I doubt you believe it--the role of the REAL media is not to be a cheerleader for everything they cover.It's what politicians want, it's what dictators want, it's what sports franchises want, it's what people who don't value free speech want.

What you want, evidently, is nothing but positive coverage.Or at best, bland "rep[ortign" by someone who will pull his punches so as not to offend. If you didn't, you'd understand that anti-Cerrato "bias," whether it exists or not, is a small price to pay.

And if and when JLC leaves, if the new guy doesn't continue in that tradition, he will be worthless to the Post.

Posted by: TheCork | May 29, 2009 12:34 PM

Cork,

You keep beating the same strawman and with the same tired arguments. You're monotonous, repetitive, and boring.

Everyone wants unbiased reporting and, for the most part, that's what Jasno gives, especially in print. What we'd like is unbiased reporting from someone who doesn't also have a festering anger at the team and its owner and management. Why is that unreasonable?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Cork

"...Cork 2.0?--MISTAMOE..."


It took the comparison as a compliment, sir.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 29, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

SO, no more Marc Fisher. Where have all the Metro Columnist gone? There was that black lady (name fails me) who just disappeared all of a sudden 2 years ago. Milloy pops his head in every now and then, but he is becoming too Whitlockish. Kelley's columns aren't really substantive. And now Fisher...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine anyone who would look forward to using that joke would have friends.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 29, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse


You can't imagine having friends.

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 29, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

sorry, should have said "I"

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 29, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

4th -- What happened to Marc Fisher? He's not going to NFLN is he?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

did anybody hear that Jon Jansen got released today?

Posted by: nagoose | May 29, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Petty comments means its time for a new post from the Post.


M Hamsters Still Looking for a New Post.

(Cindy time to change the paper in the hamster cage)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: paperwc | May 29, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

OMG jmicrodoc, you are still reading and replying to this thread?

Str8 up trifling.

The questions to you and others of your ilk who have long been obsessively grinding your axes about Jasno's axe-grinding:

1. are you going to follow Jasno to his new gig's online presence and continue your passionate service to the world, to wit, denigrating him and his work?

b. are you going to stick around here and focus your miserable attention on the next person whose picture adorns this blog?

iv. Not a question, just a comment: the Sports Junkies argot sounds just as dumb coming from you up here as it is on the radio.

Peace.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 29, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

By john thanks for the help but you need to go on the long walk.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So, who is JJ's heir apparent:

Mike (no more twinkies for me) Williams,

Stephon (twinkle toes) Heyer, or

Is there some bright and shiny object on Danny's radar?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

To me, this means that Mike Williams has made the team and Heyer or Williams will be the starter come September.

I'd put my money behind Vinny because you can tell he really likes him via the communist show, 'Redskins Nation'.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Mike Vick can block...

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

This is good news for the team, Jansen's getting cut, since he no longer seemed like a starting right tackle in the league. But it's tough news to swallow, since like you all I remember him as a terrific gamer, a real "road grader" type on that side before his injury.

The timing is surprising... does this mean Fat Williams made his target weight? Is there some salary cap implication for doing this right now? Is it simply intended to give Jansen lots of time to catch on somewhere else?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 29, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

If Dan gives up 900k on the salary cap, I'm thinking there may be no bright and shiny.

So Heyer/Williams must have shown Buges something...JJ's release may be timed to allow him to find another place to play (maybe?).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Skins had 4 guys that were eating up cap space in a huge way that simply weren't executing on the field well enough or often enough. All 4 are gone. Jansen, Springs, Marcus and Jason Taylor.

All 4 guys were talented and all 4 were overpaid. With the exception of Springs, none were playing close to the levels they played a few years ago.

The Skins needed to fix the cap situation and the 2009 house cleaning is step 1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Nate.

Gotta show respect for JJ in his prime.
And, I really like the MW comeback story, I hope it equals more wins.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I certainly didnt want him as the starter, but we couldn't have saved a million and had him as a backup in a pinch?

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 29, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Williams was last reported (I heard) at 385 so thats close to the goal weight of 370. Can I hear the calls for JJ as a possible apprentice to Bugs?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

They must either (1) really like Bridges and Williams, and (2) not really care about signing anyone else if they cut Jansen. I thought his cap hit was more than 900k, but that's worth it to get his contract off the books for the next few seasons.

Posted by: psps23 | May 29, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Can I hear the calls for JJ as a possible apprentice to Bugs?


Posted by: alex35332 | May 29, 2009 1:24 PM

You want him to be a cartoon rabbit?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 29, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

zce,
Dear God, man! Are you suggesting that the FO is looking beyond the 2009 season?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 29, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

JJ had to go. He's still a quality Olineman in his mind and he was not and will not be happy as a backup. I don't cry for multi-millionaires. I am sure he will have no problem paying his mortgage. He should not have been given that $20 mil extension to begin with.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 29, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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