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Mark's Guest Blog

Hey there, I am trying to ramp up on the Ravens to get ready for next week, and keeping tabs on the Skins as well to make sure nothing wacky is going on out there. So in the meantime, keep the guets blogs rolling.
This one is from Mark, who takes a historical look at Redskins coaches. It's not real pretty beyond the obvious heroes, Gibbs and Allen.

Mark's blog:

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the Insider and yours and Howards's articles this year. After reading some of the comments in the Insider I thought an historical perspective might be in order. I started following the Redskins when I was about eight or nine years old, which is over fifty years ago now. In all that time, the Redskins have only had three coaches who won more than 50% of thier games. One of them, Vince Lombardi, sadly only coached for one year. The other two are George Allen and Joe Gibbs. With those three coaches, the skins won 66% of their games. Without those three coaches, the skins only won 41% of their games. With all the coaches, the skins have won 52% of the games. Winning coaches are hard to find and harder to keep. Joe Gibbs has proven himself in the NFL and NASCAR as winner.


Coach Won Lost Tied Percent
Gibbs 140 76 0 65%
Spurrier 12 20 0 38%
Schottenheimer 8 8 0 50%
Turner 50 61 1 45%
Petitbon 4 12 0 25%
Pardee 24 24 0 50%
Allen 67 30 1 69%
Austin 6 8 0 43%
Lombardi 7 5 2 58%
Graham 17 22 3 44%
McPeak 21 46 3 31%
Nixon 4 18 2 18%
Kuharich 26 32 2 45%
Total 386 362 14 52%


I missed most of the Allen years while I was in the Navy (I was stationed in Texas for 2 years and 8 months and could only see the skins play the cowpokes twice a year). I was back in the DC area when Joe Gibbs came on board. He started out 0 and 5 but finished 8 and 3 in his first year. You know the rest. When he left, I told my wife, a non-football fan who became a skins fan because of Joe, that we might not see another run like that in our lifetime. Washington was very fortunate to have the first run with Joe Gibbs. It is very difficult to get the Superbowl, let alone win it. If I have counted correctly, only 16 of 32 NFL teams have won the superbowl. There are nine teams that have been to the superbowl only as loosers. I believe that leaves seven teams that have never been to the superbowl. Washington has been to 5 of the forty played.


Superbowl appearances:

Team Won Lost Appearances
Dallas 5 3 8
Pittsburgh 5 1 6
San Francisco 5 0 5
Raiders 3 2 5
New England 3 2 5
Washington 3 2 5
Green Bay 3 1 4
Denver 2 4 6
Miami 2 3 5
Baltimore 2 1 3
Giants 2 1 3
Rams 1 2 3
Kansas City 1 1 2
Chicago 1 0 1
Jets 1 0 1
Tampa Bay 1 0 1
Buffalo 0 4 4
Minnesota 0 4 4
Cincinnati 0 2 2
Philadelphia 0 2 2
Atlanta 0 1 1
Carolina 0 1 1
San Diego 0 1 1
Seattle 0 1 1
Tennessee 0 1 1


The only things I ask of the redskins are that they play solid football on offense and defense and have a chance to make the playoffs every year. With the parity in the league today (thanks to Pete Roselle), making the playoffs every year is difficult. The teams with good coaches have the best chance. I rather the Redskins have Joe than not. I think he will figure out how to get to the playoffs again. However they do next year, there will be more plays to remember forever like Ken Houstan's tackle, Darrel Green running down Tony Dorsett, RFK rocking, Jurgenson to Taylor and Mitchell, Riggin's 4th down touchdown run, Moss's overtime touchdown, and too many more to mention.

Mark

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So much has changed in the NFL since Gibbs I, probably more changes since then than all the changes between Lombardi and Gibbs I, that the ability to compare coaches over time becomes harder and harder. Its has changed what it means to coach. I wonder how many coordinators, assistants, etc. were on staff back then compared to now. Technology alone has imposed a new set of qualifications on coaches ... instant replays, challenges, miked helmets, digital game film, instant photos, Madden '07 (just kidding). The ways rules have changed has changed the ways offenses/defenses are designed ... probably more frequently in recent years than the first few decades. Whatever happened to clipping and spearing? Free agency -- and this probably has been said a million times -- may have made long-term dynasties impossible. I think the only thing that remains consistent is that the best, greatest coaches, are the ones who are able to keep up and be a LITTLE better than the other guy. I love that about football; you either win or lose. Its still a coliseum sport.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Mark, great success.

I like where you listed what you hope from the team every year. I think this is a good excercise for all of us. Here's what I expect every year; it's just one thing:

Do NOT Lie to me. That's it. The simple truth. Do not tell me Super Bowl after making terrible decisions in the off-season.
Don't tell me the kid is the future when he runs the scout team, holds a clip board, and doesn't have a coach actually coach him for nearly 3 years.
Don't tell me the old left handed QB without arm strength can take us anywhere.
Don't tell me the severely undertalented defense can stop anyone because the scheme is so great.
Don't tell me that the preseason doesn't mean anything.
Don't tell me that you're a genius when the other guy has figured out how to beat you and you don't change a thing!
I'm going to stop before I have a stroke. Just don't lie and I'll be the happiest fan in fanland.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 5, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I've said this before so it's not just because of his current success, Marty Schottenheimer could have worked in DC. Curse you Steve Spurrier! But seriously, look at the make up of San Diego. Portis and Tomlinson have similar running abilities. Rivers and Campbell are both promising young QBs. If Washington had retained their defensive talent... I don't think Pierce and Merriman are all that much the same but Pierce led the defense much like Merriman leads his defense. Okay, so I don't have all the information in front of me, but the point is Schottenheimer was 8-8 his only year in Washington. Turner had actually left him with a decent team and if he and Snyder could have worked out some kind of "on the same page-manship" (what does that even mean?) things might not have been so long in coming for a successful team make-up. Martyball is alive and well after a few years of stability, some smart draft decisions and a lack of recklessness involving FA spending. Its not so simple, I know, but when I saw Schottenheimer's name I couldn't help but look back at how excited I was to see him try and turn things around and how disappointed I was to see Spurrier come in and fail. All we can play is "what if" games at this point.

Posted by: Dorf | January 5, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I agree that marty would have had success here. Keep in mind however that he works with a really good GM in San Diego. Here, he was the GM so we're not comparing apples to apples. We don't know what he would have done with full control. (He did have the good sense to can Vinnie when he got here, so there's a plus)

Still, I would have liked to have seen what he could have done here with a little more time.

Also, it's worth noting on the super bowl list that Baltimore/Indianapolis is 1-1 in the big game and Baltimore/Cleveland is 1-0.

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Great big picture perspective Mark. I think most everyone on the blog is 'glass half full' despite the consistent stream of venom we spew.

My frustration stems from most of what #81TTS touched upon. The attitude and approach taken by this group of coaches can be downright insulting from a fan's perspective. It's inexcusable that for his 2 years in the league, Campbell did not get more snaps in practice throughout his developmental stage. The guy doesn't know how to SLIDE?!! C'mon!

I'd like to see Collins as our official #2. Brunell is SCARED when he's under center...his series the other night was embarassing. He was a fighter for us but he has no more in the tank. I'll continue to be patient and give Gibbs the benefit of the doubt but would like some honesty and transparency in the way he carries the team.

For now, I'll pass the time until March watching all those tremendous playoff and SB wins from Gibbs I era on DVD.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Deadskins will never going any further than the first round of the playoffs every decade or so with Danny Boy as owner.As he cares about his maximizing his return and the bottom line. He told me this after a few drinks at a charity fundraiser his wife was involved in. My lady dragged me there too.

You all might want to check your sources on Wall Street and in banking a certain owner is exploring the waters for selling the team since he feels the return on his investment will not match the previous five years for the next 5 years going forward.

This maybe the only hope for you Deadskin fans. Until then enjoy a crappy team with a coach who should have known comebacks just dont work in Sports. Successful comebacks are rare. Who has had one MJ? Yeah when he returned from baseball. Other than that they are few and far between. Loser coach and stupid owner enjoy.

Posted by: vaherder | January 5, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

AMTTS stated
"Don't tell me the kid is the future when he runs the scout team, holds a clip board, and doesn't have a coach actually coach him for nearly 3 years."

How did a 1 1/2 years on the "bench" turn in to almost 3 years? I'm not good at math but that is a stretch.....

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Mark: An interesting blog and a very good set of reasons to keep things in perspective. I also started following the Skins more than 50 years ago. Before that I was a Browns fan (grew up in Ohio). Of course, the Browns played the Skins twice a year back then and usually beat them. Paul Brown was the coach and owner of the Browns and had amassed a very talented squad that probably would have made the playoffs as we know them now for 10 or 15 consecutive years.

I pretty much stayed a Browns fan until Vince Lombardi was brought in as head coach. After that I followed the skins right through until now.

I don't see many coaches out there who would be much better than Joe Gibbs at this point. He signed a 5 year contract and I believe he will (at least) honor it. I don't think that he is the type of person who will quit until he accomplishes what he set out to do. After all we endured seven years of Norv Turner with only one playoff appearance.

I agree with Mark - I think that Marty ball was beginning to work. It was obvious from watching the games near the end of his one season that the players had responded to his system and that it was working. I almost fell over when he was fired and replaced with Spurrier. What a ding dong he turned out to be in the pros.

I still have hopes for the Gibbs II.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | January 5, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

vaherder,

I don't know if you were trying to put us down but if the wall street sources are correct, that's the best news I've ever read on this blog.

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

vaherder - Dick Vermiel didn't do too badly in his comeback. He was out as long as Gibbs and did very well both in St. Louis and Kansas City.

Posted by: oldskins fan | January 5, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

vaherder, I wonder whether Skins fans could buy and own the team like they do in Green Bay. If so, I'm guessing that, unlike the cost of the Packers when the fans ponied up the cash, we might need a quite few lotto winners among us to pull it off for the price Mr. $nyder would seek.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This will be Joe Gibb's last year as Skins coach. Bill Cowher will be the new coach after next season and Danny Boy will make him the first $10 mil/year coach. Guaranteed!

Posted by: Rob | January 5, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Rob, no way. Dan $nyder will not pay Grilliams the extra $1M required under his contract if denied the right of first refusal (and if Gibbs moves on, Grilliams will not refuse the HC job).

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Well played, Lisa.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will not pay G Williams the extra $1mil???? Come on dcsween we all know that $1mil is chump change to him and he would not hesistate to pay him out to get Cowher to come here as coach. It's going to be a bidding war between Dallas and Washington for Cowher's services when Gibbs and Parcell's walk away next year.

Posted by: Rob | January 5, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Rob, one thing Joe Gibbs is not is a liar. He signed a 5-year contract and he will honor it. Nick Saban, he is not.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Already we digress.

dc, Good points about how the coaching landscape has changed. I'd like to expand on that. With all of the different changes or variables introduced, it seems that it has become much harder for a coach to really make his mark on a team. More specifically, coaches seem to be less able to give a team an identity.

I'd say that Gibbs got very close to doing so last season, but I think he blinked and really took some lack of offensive success to heart. Personally, I think he complicated a problem that could have been solved simply with a couple of better wide receivers to compliment Moss. Unfortunately, the severe second guessing caused him to radically change the makeup of the coaching arrangement which brought him further away from being able to instill a team identity. This essentially gave us our 5-11 season. It was only toward the end of this season where I think we saw flashes of Gibbs' influence coming back. The offensive lines and special teams became stronger and we had inspired quarterback play and a stellar running game.

With all of the new variables of today's NFL, Gibbs added more variables instead of trying to take some away. We got further from the goal, but as I stated yesterday, we'll be back with a little continuity.

Impatience is the biggest drawback in any organization. The successful franchises keep at the same thing, making adjustments here and there. They adapt without taking the whole thing apart and trying to put it back together. The coach of the times, Bill Bellicheck, is constantly adapting to all of the variables. I think Gibbs can do it too. He always talks about how he is learning.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | January 5, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Nice job, Mark... but unfortunately some of us are too young to remember some of the highlights you asked us to remember. While you have some of these great memories to hang onto during losing season after losing season, some of us do not.

In other news, who saw KJ ask the Space Cowboy on playing young players.? The 2nd or 3rd player he mentioned was Reed Doughty. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Are you serious, Joe? A special teams guy? Reed has played well, but it is almost mandatory that a 5th round rookie plays special teams.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Mark, you argument from the past is running on fumes my man. In the business world we call it "resting on your priors" and it gets old "super fast".

I'm 33. I was just out of high school when the Skins did the Superbowl thing last and not in a position to go to a game. Essentially my whole adult working life I've wanted to go (and now take my sons, age 9 and 12) to a home play-off game.

Start telling me when we are going to get a home play-off game. Start telling me when I can be proud of the defense and when the Redskins will field an offensive team and coaching staff that is on the right side of a national media campaign like Philly, Dallas, Chicago, Green Bay, and the Patriots. I get sick of the announcers, magazines, etc. downing the Skins all the time..it's hard to explain to young fans.

Whatever it takes to be that..that's what I want Joe Gibbs to provide. To echo Marky Brunel 'Anything less will be a disappointment'.

Posted by: Not Buying It | January 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Not Buying It,

Couldn't agree more.

This morning ESPN radio was going over Bill Cowher's career as HC in Pitt, which I believe was 15 years. This marks the exact point, 1992, that our franchise hit the skids.

In his 15 years, Pittsburgh fans have enjoyed 10 playoff appearances... 10!!!!! Us you ask? 2...

They have played in 21 playoff games!!! Us you ask? 4...

I don't know how many homes game playoff games that's been, but I know it's a hell of a lot more than the 1 we've had over the last 15 years...

We are a joke. We have joined the ranks of Detroit, Cleveland, Arizona, and Oakland and it disgusts me.

Enjoy ANOTHER home playoff game Eagle fans! Enjoy ANOTHER home playoff game Pats fans! We've had 1 in 15 years. It's sickening.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone else curious about Brunell's shoulder surgery? Something tells me the midweek rest he was getting after the first two games of the season was not to rest his legs...

Posted by: CMoney | January 5, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

what kills me is that you don't have to be that good to go to the playoffs any more ... or more precisely, how many bad teams are going to the playoffs this year ... how did KC defy the odds and actually live up to the pre-season hype and make it THIS year? how (why) are the giants even breathing? is that just tiki's death gasps? shehawks? dallas? how do you actually pick a winner of those two sucks?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

C Money,

I know it makes me wonder. And looking back, it makes sense. Dink and dunk, dink and dunk. Brunell also knew this was it for him... this was his last hurrah... did he put his own interests above the team because of this? I guess only him and sweet baby Jesus know the answer to that.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

CMoney, I was surprised that it was a sidenote in the article about Daniels's ankle surgery. Seems like pretty big news to me since it's his throwing arm.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I think we take for granted that an upgrade at receiver would automatically mean bombs away with Brunell at QB. Nobody was afraid of Brunell throwing deep.

Sportstalk 980 is speculating that Portis may be traded to the JETS for Vilma. I'm not saying it's a good idea, but Portis has been whining a lot lately, and Betts just plays!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | January 5, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

dcsween,

nice post the other day.

and I couldn't agree more with your last post. Your team is obviously in the bottom 1/4 of the league when you only make the playoffs twice in 15 years in this salary cap era. I mean seriously, can we go back and see if our 2 appearances are the worst in the NFL? I'm betting that it is.... and that makes me want to throw up EVERYWHERE.

But hey Space Cowboy, keep believeing that "we're going about things the right way UP HERE". Keep saying that you have been the best team in free agency over the last 3 years when NONE, zippy, ZERO of your acquistions have been to the Pro Bowl. You have also let guys like Pierce go to a division rival while adding guys like Archuleta and Lloyd for MORE freaking money. Keep saying you've built through the draft, then mentioned Reed Doughty 2nd when asked to name the young players that play on this team. It's sad that he is this delusional.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The Jets would be stupid to make that trade. Vilma is a beast. Portis is too, but let's be honest, he maybe plays 3 or 4 more years and then retires to South Beach.

I'll have to crunch the salary cap ramifications of a Portis trade, but I would imagine it would be too costly to do anything this year -- especially if Archie or Lil' TO gets dumped.

Posted by: CMoney | January 5, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If they trade Portis, I'm done. Out. He is a redskin thru and thru. My hope is that this is something talk radio is using to fill the airwaves at a slow time.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We need a GM. We need a GM. We need a GM.

That is the response to 90% of the issues & problems that have been raised so far today.

Continuinty? Get a GM
Consistency? Get a GM
Make the playoffs? Get a GM

Gibbs has no qualifications to be a GM whatsoever. If anything, the few times in the past he played GM, he failed badly. (coughcoughDesmondHowardcoughcough)

It's obvious to everyone except us that Gibbs is one of the worst GM's in the league. We manage to get our hopes up each offseason as a new crop of free agents are brought in. We convince ourselves that THIS time the quick fix will work.

Well, guess what? It's been proven pretty conclusively that it can't. We value draft picks less than any team in the league. We sign more free agents than any team in the league. And since 1993, we have the 6th worst record in the league.

We need a GM
We need a GM
We need a GM

That is problem #1 for this franchise.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | January 5, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Jeff,

I agree, but if you're the Skins and you can afford the cap hit associated with a trade, I think you need to look at anything, especially a trade involving DRAFT PICKS (WTF are those?).

As much as Joe denied Portis being moved, I can't help but think that his interview on 980 two days ago has changed some minds over there at the Park.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

let me see if I can get this straight cumulatively: Champ + 2nd rounder + Clinton Portis =
one Vilma ??

F*ck that with a rusty shovel. Clinton is one of the few bright spots we've had in recent history. To trade him (let alone for another player and not picks) would be absolutely absurd.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

6th worst team = 2nd highest ticket prices. AWESOME!!!

I wouldn't mind paying what we pay, and even a little higher, if we won. But that hasn't been the case in, oh I don't know, 15 years!!!!!!! Okay, maybe twice, but still....

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Portis's contract off the books and get a player of Vilma's caliber on our Defense, I would do it in a heartbeat. If the Skins were smart they would get the Jets to throw in a draft pick. The Skins could then resign Duckett and then draft a big stud on the DLine and hopefully sign Nate Clements to the secondary and get Springs to move to Safety.

Posted by: Rob | January 5, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

We talk about the same things every day. I wonder if SallieMae ever found a roomate?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Loved the blathering about Conan yesterday. Good stuff...

Much better than the "Get a GM", "____ must go!", and "Trade/Don't Trade Portis" talk.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

This is CRAZY talk...part with Duckett now. Class act, but let's put the whole debacle behind us. The dude is soo slow to hit the hole it's painful.

If the skins trade Portis they are setting themselves up for another total disaster. Offseason headlines followed by a regular season trainwreck.

Betts has averaged close to one game- changing fumble per game. In the NFL, that's all it takes to lose. Especially in the ultraconservative Gibbs approach.

Defenses fear Portis, respect his abilities...set their gameplans around him. That opens things up in other parts of the field. Does anyone remember how he strapped the team to his back and carried us through 5 straight W's down the stretch?

Betts has not proven he is capable of such a feat. You guys should be ashamed.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Vote for Clinton!

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9907959

:-)

Darren Sharper did awesome work for NFL Network last post-season.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Jeff,

Gibbs was interviewed on Comcast and stated emphatically that Clinton was not being traded. He was quite adamant about it. Honestly, these radio sports reporters do not know any more than we do....for example, Czaban will never be let into Redskins Park.

However, Clinton's stock may have went down with the Skins after he went off on 980 the other day. Still, despite his tirade, trading him away would start the fans talking again about how we always trade away our "core players" and would really be a stupid move at this time.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Heck, why wouldn't the Jets want to trade a young defensive playmaker to get a guy with an injury history at the most undervalued position in the NFL?!

And we would be crazy not to trade the public face of our team and a "true Redskin" who leaves it all on the field in order to rely on a guy who has had 1 injury free season in 4 in a run heavy offense!

Call them up Danny, Strike while the iron is HOT!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 5, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

As much as I say that the Skins need to look at everything, I agree... trading CP NOW would only be doing exactly what he went on 980 and proclaimed that this team does... trade away its core players.

If made, which is of course speculation, I can't see it being a popular move amongst team members, no matter what we received in return.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Lisa...stupid indeed. I imagine a closed door meeting and spiritual game plan with St Joe will cure whatever lingering wounds exist from the 980 episode.

Living in NY, it's hard for me to tell how controversial the appearance really was.

...now back to Conan and other ridiculousness...

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I am tired of venting. I have decided to sit back and wait to pass final judgement on Gibbs II and the currenrt front office structure (competence) until Gibbs leaves after the full 5yrs. I reserve the right to comment on what I think maybe a stupid move at any time but the full and final judegement will come at the end of term the record will be what ever it is and we can say it is better or worse and we are on or off the right track.

Posted by: Old School | January 5, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What did CP say on 980?

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Jeff,

Actually, Clinton was not going off on Gibbs - he said that Gibbs door is always open for players to come and talk about what "ails" them. He was basically responding to 980's questions candidly and probably should have been a bit more reserved :-) It was pretty evident he does not have a relationship with Saunders.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

READ ME well. I am OPPOSED to Clinton Portis -- the de facto deputy GM and identity of the Skins -- going to the Jets!

That said, maybe some of the trade talk is being perpetuated by CP himself (or more likely, his agent). While the Skins are looking at a double stud RB offense next year, it seems to be widely accepted that Portis does not get along real well with Saunders. Gibbs can scream at the top of his lungs (not sure he has ever done that) that CP will not be traded, but Gibbs isn't the only decider (as it turns out, W is the decider, but I digress).

IF Portis goes to the Jets for Vilma (and that is a huge undesirable if), I'm thinking that that trade does not release that much cap pressure.

[Now is the part where I start talking out of my @$$ b/c I don't know Vilma's contract numbers. In 2004, before training camp, Pastabelly reported that Vilma "signed a five-year contract worth $10.3 million, two days before players report for the start of camp. There is no signing bonus, but Vilma will get a reporting bonus of $1.22 million and then an option bonus of $6.03 million next spring. He also can earn maximum escalators that total $3.9 million."] Vilma's contract does not come cheap, but its good for a couple more seasons.

He DOES hail from the U, but I agree with Jeff Hayes. The Jets need to throw in a second round pick (and maybe the third string CB) to make it worth releasing CP from any disgruntlement he has with Saunders.

From CP's perspective, it would be a great move. No question that he would become the feature back in a team that badly needs a feature back. They have a young, solid O-line that is getting better and better. Mangini has Belichek (sp?) blood in him. Plus, Skins play the Jets in the Meadowlands next year.

That said: DO NOT RELEASE CLINTON FROM HIS CONTRACT!

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Today


Scorpio

Your mind is like a sponge today, eager to absorb all sorts of information. However, take care, dear Scorpio, that the information you are absorbing is accurate. There is a high probability that the fascinating news you hear is a mix of fiction and fantasy. Go to the source and get the facts before acting on this information. If necessary, do some research at the library. That librarian is an impartial third party.

Posted by: loco mullin | January 5, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 won't equal Gibbs 1.0 for two simple reasons: PLAYER PERSONNEL & FREE AGENCY. In Gibbs' first tenure someone else was responsible for buying the groceries. All he had to do was cook. The players he was given played together for 5 or more years. These were the "core Redskins" and their tenures:
On O On D
Jacoby 81-93 Mann 83-93
Grimm 81-91 Manley 81-89
May 81-90 D Green 83-02
Bostic 80-93 Butz 76-88
Warren 79-92 Grant 81-90
Monk 80-93 Milot 79-87
Riggins 81-85 Dean 82-87
Theismann 74-85 Olkewicz 79-85
Clark 85-91 Coleman 79-94
Sanders 86-93

The days of keeping players together that long are over, especially when your "front office" does a poor job of evaluating and selecting talent, managing the draft and picks and can't walk away from a bad deal.
Under the current system, these flaws are too much to overcome.

Posted by: Learned Hand | January 5, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

>>> "He was basically responding to 980's questions candidly and probably should have been a bit more reserved "

Nah, CP's an iconoclast. The 'Skins knew that when they got him. St. Joe knows that he can't control CP, he can only tell him not to rile up the opponent. CP is all class, he would never talk smack about another team. In this case, he is probably saying stuff he was man enough to tell everyone in the locker room. Probably old news to St. Joe.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Of the few posts I've made here, I think two of the three were floating the idea of a Portis trade. I was smacked down hard because of the cap hit factor and rightly so.

But cap notwithstanding, would a trade for portis be a good idea?

I think so.

#1 His overall production since the trade has dropped a lot. His yards per average is more than a yard lower than it was in Denver. He has put up record breking totals, yes and he put the team on his shoulders last season, but this season he had one, maybe two good games. I know he was hurt but that could be part of the problem. A running back who injures his shoulders easily is not durable.

#2 We have serious needs on defense. You don't get something for nothing in this league. If the Jets did trade Vilma it would be huge for the Skins. Good pass rushers who can play the run and cause turn overs are not as common as 1000 yard backs, as has been stated here many times.

#3 Which brings me to Betts. It seems pretty obvious to me that Betts fits Gibbs's style of running back. Portis obviously has talent in huge quantities and he probably fit best in a zone blocking scheme like they have in Denver. I have alway felt like he was playing in a poorly fit system. Really, that isn't his fault but I don't see Gibbs getting away from "Redskins Principles" to better suit Portis.

All that said, I'd agree that Gibbs won't trade Portis or allow him to be traded

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

On 980 this am. One of the "sports reporters" said he wouldn't be surprised to see Clinton wind up with the Jets next season. If he goes, we better get Vilma and Leon Washington.

I think the "trade CP" talk is ridiculous. Notwithstanding Betts' performance at season's end, he is at best a second back in the NFL. He doesn't have game breaking ability and he's a fumbler. If CP goes, you have to get someone to replace HIM.

Posted by: LHand | January 5, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

learned hand, i think you're missing the point on black qb compared to black qb. the issue isn't that they're being compared to black qb's. the issue is that these qb's have NOTHING in common except for the fact that they're black!
and the f-ing ignorance of it all is f-ing offensive!

comparing JC to DW? or Steve Mcnair? what's the need? why? they're nothing like JC. NOTHING. and there's been no one like MV. except maybe steve young. and to me(very very limited knowledge) i think byron leftwich reminds me of only one black qb and that's warren moon but warren moon wasn't the only qb that threw the ball like BL...

anyways...you keep changing the discussion...now we're talkinga bout BBM(big black media)...stick with one thing. this dude only has so much attention span.

diddy, i liked T3 as well. loved the ending. kinda left me wanting more. but ahnuld played a good bad T. missed that a bit in T3.

i'm officially not a fan of ronin. hudson hawk is ronin. :)

lisa, regarding doc walker on 980. i think all these 980 people are just being good soldiers. now rember they have competition now and they must out do each other (980 vs. red zebra). but the cool thing is that riggo, bram are much more critical with actual details of skins org than 980's outlandish crap. i really think red zebra's going to succeed. it was about time we got 2 sports radio stations.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Well as far as Czaban is concerned, anything he says is pure speculation because the Skins organization cannot stand him....along with most of the listening world!

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Actually,

Comparing Jason Campbell to Doug Williams is fair as far as throwing motion, arm strength and demeanor.

He is more mobile and has better touch at this point in his career than DW, however.

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ok I am going to use my right to make some comments,not to be interpreted as final judgements.

Its really all about Jason Campbell's developement. Its Quaterback league, you have to have a play maker at that position, that can a leader and minimize his mistakes. If you have that in this league you are almost automatically in the wildcard race each year from the get go.
I have said it before on the posts, our failure to draft one these players, find one, or keep the right one when we had them (Trent Green, Brad Johson) is far and away this franchises biggest failure.

To make a quick point, (I have also said this on here before too) I live in New England and have seen the Brady /genis thing unfold.Under bledsoe this was a stuggling team comming off a 5-11 year, off to a slow start, lots of press pressure (Boston Media is brutal) Drew gets hurt, Brady steps in, Dynasty. I know I am be overly simlpistic but if Drew stays healthy Pats go like 6-10/7/9 The genuis most likely gets fired, because up untill that time he wasn't all that.

I am not saying JC is or will be Brady, but if he is good believe me all the other things and the moves we make/ don't make will have a whole different look.

Posted by: Old School | January 5, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

truthfully, i haven't listened to anything on the radio. cuz it's all speculations. but i do like "rumors" cuz most of the time where there's smoke there's fire.

but did you guys hear this rumor about cowher. that he wants 6-7 million dollars per year!!! when he gets back to coaching?

and also we keep (me being the biggest proponenet) mentioning russ grimm coming here and being the HC. but what about Ray Brown? you think he's being mentored to be the O-line coach? and potentially the HC? i don't know how much x's and o's he knows but he'd at least make a good manager(a la jimmy johnson). from what i saw on comcast sportsnet. what you guys think about ray brown?

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Great post about player tenure Learned Hand. I think what you posted lends to a sort of reworking of my earlier point.

Now, in the era of free agency, the burden is MORE on the coach to lend to a team identity because they can be the only constant aside from the front office (as long as they aren't fired or they don't quit). That said, instilling a team identity and continuity in today's NFL seems to be quite a feat. There are some powerful structural inhibitors (i.e. free agency and salary cap) standing in the way. But, again, Gibbs is the right guy. Not only does he have a proven record that gives him credibility, an essential element necessary to instill an identity, he begun his current tenure and continues to operate with a succession plan in mind (I think/hope).

Granted, the succession plan probably keeps changing and he is, sadly, losing some credibility. But the right person and the right plan might be in place. I'd be very disappointed if Gibbs' successor is not someone from within. I'm hoping the commitment to the high priced assistants is about more than 700 page books.

I suppose I am doing a bit of wishful thinking here. It goes without saying (on this message board) that a GM is an essential element that this structure is missing.

This kool-aid is great. Grape, I think.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | January 5, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I can't see Portis lobbying to be traded to the Jets. It's been said that Mangini is tough and Gibbs has spoiled Portis. Mangini would never let him blow off OTAs, preseason, etc. He would certainly not receive preferential treatment with the Jets like Gibbs gives him.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

also if cowher gets $6-7 a year...you gotta know that danny's gonna end up paying a cool $10 mil a year for the next HC.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

dealer I think I made myself pretty clear but I will let yours be the last word between us on the subject. This forum isn't conducive to discussing these kinds of issues.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Oh sweet 8 pound, 6 ounce baby Jesus in your golden diaper...I would also like to thank you for my wife's father Chip, who has a horrible, horrible leg that smells terrible and the dogs bark at it."

I KNOW that Grilliams is interviewing for that Arizona job. I know it. It is probably in secret at his house or on vacation, but there is no doubt in my mind. Does anyone, Jason, Jason's editor, Howard, Les Carpenter...have any knowledge on this?

booyaka

Posted by: The Governor | January 5, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop talking about CP being traded. It's not going to happened people. And why would you want Betts as your starter? Did you not see how many times he fumbled the ball? Betts doesn't have the speed to break away from anyone. With all those yards he had look at the TD total with those yards.

Posted by: jm220 | January 5, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

jm220 is dead on

And that stretch play they had so much success with toward the end of the season was straight out of Denver's playbook.

That play was not a staple of the offense while CP was playing.

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

lh, no, i didn't get what you were trying to say.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

from MW's article in post:
Saban has a rule that nobody within the Dolphins organization can talk to reporters, so maybe he was naive enough to think Alabama boosters weren't gleefully calling reporters all over the place with tidbits about the last conversation with Saban.

heeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeee i'm LOVING this saban thing. I LOVE IT as a steve spurrier "lover"!

muuuuuuuuuuuuuhaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaahaaaa

where's len peskyrelli now! fat fudge!!!!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget, Betts is 27. He is a nice back, but Clinton is younger, and already proven himself.

My offseason wishes are for either Lance Briggs or Adalius Thomas. Pay whatever you have to. Since overpaying is never an issue, signing players from top ranked defenses may be more sensible than taking castoffs from lower ranked defenses.

Trade the 6 pick for multiple picks, we need quantity on the d side of the ball.

Above all, hire a flipping GM.

Posted by: k Squared | January 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Comparing Jason Campbell to Doug Williams is fair as far as throwing motion, arm strength and demeanor.

He is more mobile and has better touch at this point in his career than DW, however."

Doug Williams was actually quite mobile early in his career (at Tampa Bay). Look at his stats below. Several knee surgeries slowed him down prior to his joining the Redskins.

Yr Gms Rushes Yds

1979 16 35 119
1980 16 58 370
1981 16 48 209
1982 09 35 158

Posted by: Stat Boy | January 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Re: Betts. Tiki had a fumbling problem that was fixed with proper coaching.

Does anyone have Betts's combine speed? He may not be fast, but he is quick to the hole.

Trade CP for picks. Trade the #6 for picks. Draft some young studs and start over.

Posted by: disappointed | January 5, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder is trying to get a new retractable roof stadium on the downtown mall. It would replace most national monuments and probably the smithsonian museums and the entire country would be taxed heavily to fund the venture. Could this be legit?

Posted by: Rumor Mill | January 5, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, since when did CP ever blow off OTAs or preseason? The man is more of a workhorse than one of those Budweiser Clydesdales!

jm220, OK, I'll stop talking about CP leaving. I still, however, want to follow the thought process of Vilma arriving. [For the sake of this thought process, assume the Jets take Lloyd, Archuleta, Brunell, Collins, and Holdman on a straight up trade.]

OK, if Vilma were here, where would he play? He is the Jets' MIKE in a 4-3. Assuming Grilly sticks with a 4-3 base D, who sits? Marcus? RockyMac? Lemar? If Lemar moves from MIKE ... where does he go? To the bench? Unlikely. [Plan B is switch to 3-4 like everybody else ... but Skins football starts at the line of scrimmage.]

Question: Could Lemar be our answer to the answer to our free safety problem? At MSU, he played a couple of games as a corner when he was a sophomore. His junior year, he played strong safety.

Can some X and O peeps tell me about the skill set you need for free safety (compared to strong safety) other than the ability to cover deep receivers? Does it come down to speed?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Not only is it legit, it's 2 legit to quit.

Posted by: Hammer | January 5, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

That's true K-Fed...sorry, K-Squared. Betts is 2 years older than Portis. In football years though, I'd say Portis is much older...a lot more mileage and a significant injury. That said, as we've discussed to death here, CP isn't going anywhere. He's the starting running back for the 'Skins, end of story.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

We have *finally* a functional offense, which will only be better once our ailing players have the opportunity to mend in the offseason. Why, in Saint Peter's name, would we even entertain the thought of dismantling this offense in order to shore up our defense? Does anyone out there seriously think that two broken sides of the team will improve the team as a whole? Hello? For that reason alone ... for the sake of a working, gelling offense ... Clinton Portis will not be traded. Oh, he might be shown the door, but not as long as Butter Finger Betts is the option.

Speaking of, I loved what was said in one of the other comment sections. It was something along the lines of "Betts should be made to carry a football around Ashburn during the entire offseason. And everyone, from the owner to the janitor, should be directed to try to poke it out of his hands, anytime, anyplace." Maybe after 7 or 8 months of constantly fighting off unexpected attempts to rob his bread basket can he learn to hold onto the damned football.

I think we need to stick with what we have and use the draft to add depth to our defense. Perhaps over the next few months, the coaches can, you know, coach the players we have. Anyone can play better with the right direction, motivation, and mentoring.

Posted by: Arrr Beee | January 5, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Vilma arriving. [For the sake of this thought process, assume the Jets take Lloyd, Archuleta, Brunell, Collins, and Holdman on a straight up trade.]

dcsween that works for me.

Posted by: jm220 | January 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like for folks to stop trying to set rules about what should and should not be discussed here. All this "let's stop talking about..." stuff is a bit condescending.

I'll acknowledge that there would be a huge downside to trading Portis if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson. You can't keep arguing that you're right because everyone else is stupid.

None of us are GMs. None of us have more "inside" info than another (except Mr. La Canfora). I'm simply suggesting that there are very few ways that the Skins can address their glaring needs on defense. This would be a way.

By the way, it's worked out fairly well for the Broncos at least till this season.

I like the tiki comparison to Betts. Nobody thought he was an everydown back either. I think Betts has a huge upside and so far hasn't needed "break away speed." His yards per is 4.7 and he has always been a threat out of the backfield.

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like for folks to stop trying to set rules about what should and should not be discussed here. All this "let's stop talking about..." stuff is a bit condescending.

I'll acknowledge that there would be a huge downside to trading Portis if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson. You can't keep arguing that you're right because everyone else is stupid.

None of us are GMs. None of us have more "inside" info than another (except Mr. La Canfora). I'm simply suggesting that there are very few ways that the Skins can address their glaring needs on defense. This would be a way.

By the way, it's worked out fairly well for the Broncos at least till this season.

I like the tiki comparison to Betts. Nobody thought he was an everydown back either. I think Betts has a huge upside and so far hasn't needed "break away speed." His yards per is 4.7 and he has always been a threat out of the backfield.

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

Marshall was cut a couple of times in the league because he couldn't play saftey. He was converted to lb. He is really a weakside lb playing out of position inside. He needs to be upgraded like most of the rest of our defense.

Posted by: Old School | January 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd like for folks to stop trying to set rules about what should and should not be discussed here. All this "let's stop talking about..." stuff is a bit condescending.

I'll acknowledge that there would be a huge downside to trading Portis if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson. You can't keep arguing that you're right because everyone else is stupid.

None of us are GMs. None of us have more "inside" info than another (except Mr. La Canfora). I'm simply suggesting that there are very few ways that the Skins can address their glaring needs on defense. This would be a way.

By the way, it's worked out fairly well for the Broncos at least till this season.

I like the tiki comparison to Betts. Nobody thought he was an everydown back either. I think Betts has a huge upside and so far hasn't needed "break away speed." His yards per is 4.7 and he has always been a threat out of the backfield.

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton may be younger, but he probably feels like a 30 year old back. That dude has been in the league a while and has seen a heavy run load. Combine that with a bum shoulder, and we got ourselves a problem.

Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
2002 Broncos 16 12 273 1508 5.5 59 15 11 79
2003 Broncos 13 13 290 1591 5.5 65 14 13 76
2004 Redskins 15 15 343 1315 3.8 64 5 5 65
2005 Redskins 16 16 352 1516 4.3 47 11 6 74
2006 Redskins 8 7 127 523 4.1 38 7 3 29

TOTAL 68 63 1385 6453 4.7 65 52 38 323

Thats a lot of yards (and wear and tear) for a 25 year old.

ps- I really really loved watching Stephen Davis punch it in against our goal line defense a couple weeks ago. Felt like a punch to the gut.


Posted by: Dorf | January 5, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

All this "let's stop talking about..." stuff is a bit condescending.

I'll acknowledge that there would be a huge downside to trading Portis if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson. You can't keep arguing that you're right because everyone else is stupid.

None of us are GMs. None of us have more "inside" info than another (except Mr. La Canfora). I'm simply suggesting that there are very few ways that the Skins can address their glaring needs on defense. This would be a way.

By the way, it's worked out fairly well for the Broncos at least till this season.

I like the tiki comparison to Betts. Nobody thought he was an everydown back either. I think Betts has a huge upside and so far hasn't needed "break away speed." His yards per is 4.7 and he has always been a threat out of the backfield.

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Evan, let's not post twice. It's really offensive to me.

Posted by: Dorf | January 5, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Dorf,

No kidding. When the rumor came out about Duckett, I was screaming for Stephen Davis. Why trade ANYTHING for Duckett when you can go pick up a similar back off the street for the vet minimum and no other strings attached. Now we don't have a 3rd round pick this year, which for most teams = starter or solid depth spot, and a 4th next year. It's things like this that make you go crazy.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"In Gibbs' first tenure someone else was responsible for buying the groceries. All he had to do was cook. The players he was given played together for 5 or more years. These were the "core Redskins" and their tenures:"

Just as important, there were a few players still around from the Allen years (like Moseley & Theismann) who understood the concept of a winning tradition. They were "core Redskins" before anyone knew there was such a thing (except for maybe George Allen).

There were also important additions at various times of successful players with good character and leadership qualities who came from other organizations, such as Joe Washington and Ernest Byner. Core Redskins? You bet.

Joe Gibbs is still looking for those kinds of players to become part of the new "core", which is part of the reason that draft picks are devalued. But someone should send him your list, Learned Hand, and maybe he can dust off the cobwebs in his brain and remember that many of his early core guys were draft picks.

Posted by: Old Shoe | January 5, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

We can probably get some picks for Marcus Washington and Moss too.

Moss' production went way down this year. We could get some picks for him and build our defense.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

evan all people are saying that there is not enough space and time for the topic Race In America on this blog.

As far as Betts not having breakway speed. Maybe if he got into the end zone more often then you could say that it doesn't matter that he doesn't have it. Also Betts have been known to get injured.

Posted by: jm220 | January 5, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I still can't believe we gave Archuleta a richer deal than Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins. It's so crazy and beyond anything a reasonable, sane person would do it almost becomes comical.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Moss' production went way down this year. We could get some picks for him and build our defense.

Jeff Hayes you are joking right! If not a smack to the back of the head. What is wrong with you? To trade your #! WR! Just say no.

Posted by: jm220 | January 5, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks that gibbs likes betts is forgetting the fact that he doesn't like his players turning over the ball.

betts lost the ball i think 5 times this year(guessing). for someone who played half the season. right? this is nothing new. he's had this problem all his carreer. and it's obvious that he can't do nohting about it. and it's not like he was trying to squeeze thru holes...he had semi-truck holes to run thru.

i think they should trade betts. for a 2nd or a 3rd. and with those picks they should select brooklyn decker.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

k squared and old school, I agree that our LB corp needs an upgrade, but I think our CB corps needs one worse.

Lance Briggs and Adalius Thomas will be fetching top bills after their respective Conference Championship game and SB win, respectively. Even though the pocketbook goes deeper, I think the most we can afford under the cap will be Nate Clements.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Fantasizing about trades, are we? As pleasant a way to pass the time as any, I guess.

Clinton Portis SHOULD NOT go anywhere, he SHOULD start the season at RB over FumBetts. He is every inch a core Redskin, and he is better than Betts. And that's precisely why we're willing to believe that this front office is burning up the switchboard* trying to trade him.

* for all you young'uns, a "switchboard" was once used to route telephone calls, manually connecting the calling party to the number dialed.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

JM- that was sarcasm used to illustrate the flawed logic in trading Portis because of a decrease in production during an injury plagued year.

Also Evan, no one called anyone 'stupid'. We simply said it would be a 'stupid move'.

*hugs*

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

et tu Nate!!!!!!!!!

why??

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Tiffany Rayne acts her guts out!

Posted by: Bangbros | January 5, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

dealer, couldn't find the exact stat, but I think the numbers I saw said the skins had 20 fumbles and lost 7 of them. couldn't find the numbers to break any of that down to betts.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

espn.com stats have Betts with 245 carries and 4 fumbles, losing 2 of them

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

For those yearning for something to look forward to, the rest of Entourage season 3 starts on March 18, 2007.

He, JLaC, tell St. Joe I said, "Waddup".

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Betts had 6 fumbles. Don't know how many of those lost possession.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis logged no fumbles.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

one of Betts' fumbles was on a reception against Tampa

Posted by: etrod | January 5, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, thanks. i just checked. in the last 8 games he fumbled SIX times and lost 3.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I have logged no work today. Checking out for a little while.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

dealer, Yahoo! Sports sez that Ladell Betts fumbled 6 (six) times, losing 3, in 2006. He had 245 rushes + 53 receptions for 298 "touches", so he averaged just about 1 fumble per 50 touches and 1 lost fumble per 100 touches. I don't think those are great numbers.

In 2005 Betts had 99 touches, 2 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost. Lousy.

Just to pick one other dude from the lig at random for comparison, Clinton Portis had zero fumbles this season on 144 touches. Zero is good.

In 2005 Portis had 382 touches, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost. Roughly 1 fumble per 110 touches and 1 lost fumble per 190 touches. Better than Betts.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

and yahoo sports has Betts with 6 fumbles, losing 3. Seems like this stat is as subjective as tackles!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

diddy, any idea on sopranos?

auries wife is so hot(the way PH says it).

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson."

Not cool Evan.

Posted by: GEICO Caveman | January 5, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

And need I remind that Portis had 7 TDs this season (roughly one every 20 touches!) to Betts' 4 (roughly one every 75 touches!).

Unless I'm getting the numbers wrong. I'm not very strong with the math.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"I still can't believe we gave Archuleta a richer deal than Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins. It's so crazy and beyond anything a reasonable, sane person would do it almost becomes comical."

This is yet another piece of Dan Snyder's psychological warfare against the old guard owners in the NFL.

Phase 1 - Develop the Redskins into the biggest moneymaker the league has ever seen. (short term)

Phase 2 - Outbid all others and overpay for all free agent acquisitions. (medium term)

Phase 3 - Eliminate other bidders by demonstrating interest in every good player available. (long term)

Phase 4) - Buy a championship team and then sell it at its highest value.

Salary cap? Who cares!

Dead cap money? So what!

Fans? What fans? Oh, you mean those people over there dressed in replica jerseys? Screw them! All I see are profit opportunities!

Posted by: Bobbing for Bucks | January 5, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Betts had 5 TDs (one receiving) in 2006, so his TDs to touches ration was more like one TD every 60 touches.

Portis is better.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What's a good chick flick or date movie out now?

Posted by: Anonymous | January 5, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

if you'll acknowledge that those suggesting it are not some primitive species of Caveperson."

Not cool Evan.

Posted by: GEICO Caveman | January 5, 2007 01:19 PM

LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | January 5, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

They're on to me!

The gig is up!

Posted by: Daniel Snyder | January 5, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I hear We are Marshall is awesome. Not really a chick flick, but a fake tear or two could lead to some play...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Bobbing,

Hysterical.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

In 2005 Portis had 382 touches, 3 fumbles, 2 fumbles lost. Roughly 1 fumble per 110 touches and 1 lost fumble per 190 touches. Better than Betts.

so knowing all this can we at least say that there's no way joe makes him his feature back?

also i think i know why danny and joe were arguing (something steve B mentioned 2 days ago on this blog).

joe: i want to fire saunders
danny: you paid him $2 mil per year for 3 years!
joe: i know but...
danny: that $4 mil's coming out of your pocket.
joe: *smacks vinny in the face in anger* *pataaak*
danny: it's okay vinny he's just upset.
*joe slams the door and walks out with buges*

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

>>> "What's a good chick flick or date movie out now?"

Pursuit of Happyness, with Will Smith and his son. Not bad.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I just took a phone call; that counts as work.

Coach rumors I found on-line while taking the aforementioned phone call: Parcells to Miami and Ron Rivera to Arizona. Pending rumors remain pending (Wisenhutt to Atlanta; Grimm for Pittsburgh).

Also, Cowher did officially resign.

Good chick flick? I know a period piece (lots of period costume), but maybe not prototype of 'chick flick' ... Apocalypto ... unless the chick is into period pieces involving ritualistic sacrifice. [No one does cinematic violence as well as Mel Gibson.]

Note: Prospective apologies for breaking my 'Skins discussion only' principle.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

so Nate, let me get this straight are you saying that Portis is better than Betts?

BRILLIANT!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Y'all didn't want me to meddle, did ya?" said Danny with a self-satisfied smirk on his face...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

chick flick?
ummm any toddler flick with hidden adult humor?

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Just made my first post on Liz Kelley's blog. I think I'm about to double my uselessness.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

dealer, just trying to make the point that I will be grievously upset if we get rid of Portis. And given our organization's track record, SOMETHING will grievously upset me this offseason. I hope it's something other than losing Portis...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

didn't mean to post that last one so many times. it was my Caveman 2000 cpu that messed up.

Oh, and I can make those jokes because I am a Neanderthal.

You're all welcome for fire and the wheel, by the way.

Posted by: evan | January 5, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Briana loves Jenna is quite the chick flick.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Portis or A GOOD "GM"?

-brought to you by your neighborhood dealer

Posted by: The Devil | January 5, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I love this Madden quote from Maske's blog this morning:

"The league has never been more balanced -- or mediocre, depending upon one's viewpoint. The line between the good teams and the average teams and between the average teams and the bad teams is so thin right now," Madden said, "that it's easy to go from one side to the other."

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

evan, thanks for the GEICO car insurance, too. Much appreciated.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

JLC is chatting now on WaPo live. Chat started later than previously advertised. I thought I missed it.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

OH...not THAT type of chick flick! :)

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Apparently I did miss it but it appears nate made an appearance.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

LH, whaa?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see. Wasn't me, was somebody else repping PDX.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Someone posted as PDX. I thought it may have been you.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

...and there's been no one like MV.

Aw, thanks, dealer. That means a lot to me...

(Just kidding!)

Posted by: MV Dame | January 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

JLC said that negotiations with Dockery aren't even close. I'm not surprised. If you were Dockery's agent would you settle for less than maximum value under the circumstances - players have been saying how much they want him back; FO taking heat for letting good players go and signing outsiders for big $; Skins got cash? There has to be some pressure to re-sign Dock to send positive message to players, fans and media.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

dame, my brother from another motha, i did think of you when i wrote that.

where you live again? just kidding...dcsween and i can figure that out all our own ;)

but am truly sorry for your dame. you think all you irish (fans) will be happy to see charlie leave if he goes to the giants? not for any other reason than his appearance. the closeups were just scary.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

From the chat:

"Don't expect anything to change with your team, though. When I discussed how badly the Redskins overpaid for Lloyd with Gibbs, he told me they made a shrewd deal and did not give up too much. He implied third-round picks are crapshoots, and Lloyd is a proven commodity."

That pretty much sums it up. Is someone slipping LSD into his Metamucil?

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

thanks jeff (i think)! yikes!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Hayes- Thanks for saying what I was thinking. Crapshoot?! Like Dock and Cooley?...a couple of 3rd rounders who started virtually from day 1.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

New Blog name for Vinny...
Dwight Schrute(sp) from the office

Posted by: OC Skins | January 5, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Jeff,

You beat me to it. In fact, I laughed outloud at that quote and was just getting ready to post it. Gibby is clearly delusional.

My only hope is that I win mega millions tonight so I can buy the team and fire that nice, but senial, Space Cowboy. Oh wait, I'd still be 1.1 billion short.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

What's a good chick flick or date movie out now?

Posted by: | January 5, 2007 01:23 PM

BRAVETHROAT

Posted by: yep | January 5, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Briana loves Jenna is quite the chick flick.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 01:42 PM

4-12 absolutely funniest post of the year - which isn't saying much since it's only the 5th but stil
LMAO LMAO LMAO

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

I did not say that Portis blew off OTAs and preseason - but he would like to. He has made that abundantly clear - a lot of the players want to train on their own and are lobbying the Skins to be able to do this.

Re: Dockery - Shawn Springs was laughingly calling him "The Big Grip" the other day because he is negotiating his contract. Dock was interviewed right before the season was over and he said he wants to stay here and has told his agent to make it work. Of course, management will probably screw that up as well.

Just heard Lavar is going to be on 980 around 5:00. Hope he talks about the Giants/Eagles game and not about the Skins. Enough is Enough. But knowing 980 they will want to dig up more dirt.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

First thing that I read after my e-mails was JLC's on-line chat. Boy, if that doesn't make you a no-longer-a-Redskin fan, nothing will. Ouch. I'm starting to have my serious doubts now. Am I completely wasting my time?

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I was the one who asked about Dockery, and to me that IS the offseason. If we lose him, then I'm going to start rooting for another team. Dock deserves to be paid, Samuels said he'd re-do his deal to free up some space, what else do they need to make this happen?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | January 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I know Gibbs and Buges and company say all the right things to the press, but I keep hearing that they think he's expendable. I hope that's incorrect, because losing him will be just like losing Clark and AP.

We were dominant on the line this year, and bringing all 5 starters back, for the 3rd straight season, can only be a positive. Plus he's one of your own. You drafted the dude and groomed him into a starter. His teammates love him. Sign him.

You know, I think about the other ridiculous contracts often, but I really get worked up over them when you start hearing about a stalled contract negotiation with an up and coming O-lineman. Minus of course the shrewd deal we made for Lloyd, right Space Cowboy who need to check into a mental hospital?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, on Fox "News" the question of the hour is "Will Pelosi bring San Francisco values to Washington?" so as you are in SF i was wondering what exactly are SF values?

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

NFL.com has stat stuff on Betts and you can break it down with a little more than the other sites.

He fumbled 6 times and lost 3 this year and 3 for 3 last year.

I forgot that he broke his left forearm a couple years ago which may be why he is so reluctant to hug the ball.

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Any other team in the league could have re-signed Betts, re-signed Dock, and given Cooley an extension, DURING THE SEASON, without even blinking an eye... and still have 10-20 mill in cap room remaining.

What do we have to do? Get players to restructure in season in order to sign Betts... now we are in major need of restructing to re-sign Dock, draft picks, 8 other guys to the roster, etc.

It's reckless.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

They had better re-sign Dock....he wants to stay...they say they want him....the O line loves him....and the fans will be irate (yet again) over the loss of a "core player"

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I know Gibbs and Buges and company say all the right things to the press, but I keep hearing that they think he's expendable.

i don't know if it was Diddy or Mv Dame or one of you guys who said signing Betts was so typical of this admin. they buy the stock when it's at its peak. and that's exactly what they're doing with dockery.

why didn't they sign him last year? and if last year he wasn't worth it then why do you think he's worth it this year? everyone and their mother plays "lights out" during contract year.

i say stick to your guns. again i can't say this enough no player, no coach is going to fix this team/org. i don't care if they trade portis(best O player) or trade washington, springs (best D players)...i don't care. and i don't care if they win the SB next year. i want this thing done RIGHT. goshdarnit! so we can enjoy it longer than if it was one and done.

has anyone told gibbs and snyder that depth comes from the draft. and if the richest teams(nfl) could buy a championship then it would've happened already.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

dealer, Weis is not going to the Giants... well, at least not this year. Let's see what how the Irish do next year. Speaking of his appearance, have you seen him in those cold weather games where he's got frozen snot all over his upper lip and he doesn't do a dang thing about it?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, come on already with the melodramatic issuing of ultimatums (ultimata?).

We're going to come right back next season whether this player or that player is or isn't on the roster. Because we root for this TEAM, we love this TEAM, more than we love and root for any one player. And the chance that this TEAM will succeed next year, that we'll see the burgundy and gold hoist the Lombardi Trophy again, is too tantalizing for us to turn away.

Not saying it's been easy being a fan of this team lately, or that there aren't dark moments where we all consider packing it in and saying to hell with it ("that's the last straw, Snyder!"), but come September we're putting on the jerseys and sitting on the edges of our seats. We are Redskins fans.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I just re-read my last post and it sounds pretty corny and really preachy. Sorry, dudes.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

where he's got frozen snot all over his upper lip and he doesn't do a dang thing about it??
EWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE thanks dame for that visual. that and coupled with that thing in the corner of his mouth.

i'm going over to z says she says...to cleans my mind

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate makes a good point. I'm a life long Red-Sox fan, so I've got the jump on swearing off a team, only to come running back.

I want them to sign Dock though, lets keep our good players, instead of letting them walk.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | January 5, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Day-off musings...
Boy, did the Skins pick the wrong year to stink. A coupla nice coaching openings in Miamni and Pburgh....Oakland, well, no, but it is in the NFL. I'm pretty sure.
Chick flix....Marshall should work. I mean, even the manliest men get all mushy over a plane crash. It's okay. Blaw.
Saw Children of Men and it was terrific. Not really a chick flick; you might only get lucky if you resemble Clive Owen. If you do, email me...
Dunno about kid flix...A co-worker's 5-year-old son was watching a National Geographic show the other day and, in one of those wink-winks to adults, they mentioned "the horizontal mambo." So, of course, her kid picks up on that and will not stop saying it.
So we went around the corner on our lunch hour and kicked a little Geographic a$$.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 5, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

Have you heard his recent interviews on Comcast? Gibbs actually thinks that they've built through the draft. In fact, I think his quote was "we've had a lot of draft picks".

The man is delusional. We have had the least amount of picks out of any other team in the NFL since he came back. He also thinks he made a shrewd deal with a 3rd and 4th in the Lloyd deal, because those picks are crap shoots, and that a 9 mill dead cap hit is not a lot of money. 9 mill in cap room could give you Betts, Dock, Cooley, Taylor, 2 big name free agents, all 2 of our draft picks, and the Dahli Lama.

He just doesn't make sense. Everyone sees it... the fans, the media, his players... just not him and "Dan", who have been meeting the last 2 days to determine the future. Kill yourself.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

Have you heard his recent interviews on Comcast? Gibbs actually thinks that they've built through the draft. In fact, I think his quote was "we've had a lot of draft picks".

The man is delusional. We have had the least amount of picks out of any other team in the NFL since he came back. He also thinks he made a shrewd deal with a 3rd and 4th in the Lloyd deal, because those picks are crap shoots, and that a 9 mill dead cap hit is not a lot of money. 9 mill in cap room could give you Betts, Dock, Cooley, Taylor, 2 big name free agents, all 2 of our draft picks, and the Dahli Lama.

He just doesn't make sense. Everyone sees it... the fans, the media, his players... just not him and "Dan", who have been meeting the last 2 days to determine the future. Kill yourself.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Nate

well said.

Posted by: Old School | January 5, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Nate is right. It's fun to rant and rave and threaten but most of us will be back again.
I agree with Maske and many of you - I want consistency. I've said this before and I'm sure I'll say it again. I don't need a one year of glory and SB only to watch us go into the toilet again. I'm here for life and I know there'll be bust cyles so I want booms to last more than 12 months.
The thing that has always puzzled me is this must win now attitude that so many fans mostly of other teams have and the owners often fall for it too.
The NFL is the most lucrative and (proportionally) popular sports league in the world except maybe premier league in UK. They kick MLB, NHL, NBA, MLS out the window.
The parity may mean some mediocrity but it isn't nearly as bad as MLB. It may also mean that we don't have the same dynasties but I'm okay with that I think most real fans are.
So knowing that let's build a solid team that will then become a championship team. If you trade CP you are setting yourself back. Why? Because what is the message you once again send to the players and the fans? The Danny did that so often in his first years of ownership with Spurrier (ugh) and Deon (gag) and J-J-Jeff George (the horror the horror).

The league may be a different place then in the 80s but the basics are the same. A GM, a consistent coaching staff, a good QB, warriors and depth at O-line and D-line and building through young talent. Once again look at those with long term success and that's what they have/had. Pitt, Philly, NE, Sea, Indy.

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs must be in the midst of something big.

There will not be a Game Plan this week.
Please visit us again next week at JoeGibbsOnline.com.

Posted by: CMoney | January 5, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

how old is Snyder? If I can out live that bastard, then I'll stay with the team.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | January 5, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

great post. that's why I can't believe some of you say you'd rather be in our shoes than Baltimore/Philly, etc. Those teams have meaningful football every December. They have frequent home playoff games. How can some of you say that?

I agree.. consistency is the key... hell, it's what everyone is screaming for. I thought we were headed in the right direction after the limited spending of 05, then the 10-6 playoff season, then, like a pair of nuts hitting you in the chin.... Arch, Lloyd, Carter, ARE, etc..... and it's back to rock bottom.

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Q&A from Jason on-line chat today:

Question: ... Is Archuleta disliked by his teammates or solely coach Williams?

Jason La Canfora: Adam is held in high regard by his teammates for how he handled a difficult situation.

Lloyd, not so much.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys hear Floyd Reese the Titans GM stepped down today? Interesting...he reloaded that team with talent for 13 years with team move and salary cap issues.....he knows Grilliams....

And lets stop getting all worked up about Gibbs and Co public statements. Do you really think they are going to say anything important or informational?!?! Get real...Gibbs practically invented Coach Speak!

Posted by: chris Larry | January 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

editor, that's not funny. i like NG. you in bethesda? or downtown?

Nate for president!
ricky bobby for VP (cuz we need balance)!
sfskin for speaker of the house!
lisa for head of BMW (big media watch)!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

When you think about it, if making the team is an indication of effective college scouting, the Skins did pretty well in the last draft. Of the 6 guys drafted, the top 4 made the team.

If you can bear to re-live the pain of the season, see this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Washington_Redskins_season

Yesterday, I wrote about what I thought was the best game (Carolina, Week 12). I didn't identify my pick for the worst game ... Minnesota, Week 1. Can you imagine what it might have meant for team mojo if we won that game (after losing all 4 in the preseason)?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, we heart the Geographic, too!!! I can watch that channel 24/7 (Seconds from disaster --- ooooh!). In fact, basically, all day I toggle between it and the NFL Network. I'm just sayin' that those things that make kiddie shows so fun for adults can backfire. That's all. Wait'll Lil Miss Dealer starts saying, "horizontal mambo" over and over. To, say, your in-laws.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Ooh someone impersonated me . . . does that mean you like me? You really really like me?

For no particular reason I've decided to blame the Skins woes on global warming.

We could have Congressional hearings.

Al Gore could make "An Inconvenient Truth Part Deux - The Washington Redskins"

Then all the denials by the organization and coaches would be like Inohofe - "The Lost Season articles are the greates hoax ever perpetrated on football fans."

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go seek the Floyd Reese presser...Interesting. I think there had been some issues between him and JFish, but Reese is super-smart. No doubt about it. Wonder how he'd feel about DC...

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 5, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Floyd Reese, Ron Wolf, and even our old standby Chuck Casserly have too much experience, pride, and common sense than work for a rudderless ship like this one.

I would love to have any one of those guys on top of personnel, but it just makes too much sense. Seems painfully obvious that the Skins do the opposite of what most teams would do.....hire smart people, save draft picks, manage the cap for the future.

As many of you have said, reckless and deulsional, a great formula for failure.

Posted by: k Squared | January 5, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

P.S. See you all here tomorrow for the playoffs.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 5, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

As for the cap ramifications of a Portis trade, it would require an $8.2M hit. Now, he is due to count $7M against the cap in 2007 anyhow, so from that perspective, it's not that big a deal. But, he is a prime candidate for a restructure -- he has big base salary numbers from here on out (3.5M this year; 5-7M until 2011) and his bonus allocation is "only" 2.5M a year. So they could take most of his 2007 and 2008 base salaries, guarantee them, and cut his cap hit in 07 and 08 in half by being able to spread out that money.

Posted by: CMoney | January 5, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

editor, if i had money and the talent i would stop dealing and be an NG photographer.

and you underestimate my fatherhood. ms. dealer can use the "F" word to perfection. and i'm teaching her BAMF's usability.
To, say, your in-laws. ummm that's already happened with the F word. ya'll should've seen the look on my F-inlaw's face.

hee hee hee...

i'm kidding...i feel pretty bad for my language but if the skins had been better this season she never would've had to hear such words used so often. "F" is such a good word though. it just releases all the tension/anxiety....hard to give up.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how he'd feel about DC...
aaahhh yes...dream dream dream dream dream

that would be na-ice!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, I think the effects on salary cap follow the player rather than stay with the team. A trade of say (hypothetically and wrongfully) Portis would transfer the contractual obligations (and thus salary cap implications) to the team to whom he is traded (hypothetically and wrongfully the Jets). In the wrong hypothetical discussed earlier, the Skins would take on Vilma's contract and it would affect the Skins' salary cap.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Minding the language has probably been in the top three most difficult adjustments since Nathan Jr. arrived. The kid is like a sponge with an echo.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Floyd Reese??? You guys are kidding right? Reese is *maybe* a half a step better than Matt Millen. Seriously people. MV was right -- we're a bunch of coked up hamsters in here.

Ever notice how the Titans have a salary purge every 3-5 years and cut everyone that's good? Floyd Reese.

Remember when they told Steve McNair, the face of the franchise, that he couldn't enter the building? Floyd Reese.

Drafting turds like Albert Haynesworth and Adam Jones? Floyd Reese.

The Titans turned around this season because Vince Young is a stud and Jeff Fisher is an awesome coach. Oh, and who picked Vince Young? The owner, Bud Adams.

When a GM gets fired it's usually because he sucks. In this case, it's because he sucks a lot.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Joe,

At this point, anyone (and I mean anyone) is better than what we have.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | January 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, I don't think we can predict the effect of a trade on the salary cap until we know the incoming player (i.e., his contract). In a trade, the receiving team takes on the sending team's contract with the player. Am I getting this wrong?

Also, we could REALLY be in long-term trouble if Floyd Reese were the GM and did to the Skins what he did with the Titans' cap space trouble. The Skins have thus far been able to avoid the fabled 'cap hell' that Floyd Reese created when he cut the big money players to make room for depth. If he DID get picked up as the GM, it would for one season and one reason -- to cut big money players, send us into dead cap hell, and be the scapegoat.

The Skins invented a way to avoid cap hell by creating a new verb -- to LaVar.

LaVar, v.t., to bench and disgrace a highly paid prideful player into 'voluntarily' accepting a pay cut to avoid dead cap space when the player leaves or gets cut.

Something tells me that both Lloyd and Archuleta are both in the midst of long-term LaVarring.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

No, I am correct. Bonus money gets accelerated when a player is traded -- the same exact way it does when a player is waived.

The new team assumes the base salaries and any unpaid bonuses, such as roster bonuses, that have not been amortized, but does not have any amortized bonus money allocated to its cap.

Posted by: CMoney | January 5, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The new team does take on the contract. However the old team takes a cap hit from the "accelerated pro-rated portion of the signing bonus". For example, dcsween signs a 5 year contract with a $10 million signing bonus. The bonus will count $2 million on the cap for each of the 5 years you play for the 'Skins. But instead of playing all 5 years, they cut you or trade you to Arizona (hey, it's nice hot weather) after only 2 years. Then, the remaining $6 million worth of signing bonus accelerates against this years cap for the 'Skins. Hence, the cap hit. Arizona would take over the remaining 3 years of your contract. Does that make sense? I think I rambled on...can't get briana loves jenna off my mind!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

CMoney and 4-12, thanks. I stand educated. [Educated sounds better than schooled.]

Its a relief to have salary capmeticians on board (esp. given how often I find myself inadverently making shti up).

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, 4-12, are you dudes CPAs? Tax attorneys?

Is either one of you available to head out to Redskin Park and perform triage on our '07 salary cap? Bubby Tyer is in there with blood up to his elbows, trying to resuscitate the poorthing, but its prognosis is awfully bleak.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

RB, The only way Floyd Reese is better than Vinny Cerato is if he
(a) is a more fun racquetball partner, or
(b) is better at holding the ball while Dan kicks FGs.

Seriously, he's bad at his job. (Anybody remember that line from Be Cool?)

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Would it make sense to hire someone whose been in an "asst GM" position with a good team? - Not sure how many of those exist.

Then we'd have a guy from a proven place who wants to also prove that he's got the chops. It may be a risk but to echo C/4-12/Nate couldn't be worse than what we have now.

Any peeoploggers have that kind of inside info? If you do I bow down.

Do you think dubG has this kind of info in a blue hanging folder?

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

JLaC coming on the Riggo show today.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I know I am in a pipe dream right now but at least it's something new to think about and research. . . . oh look at those straws . . .

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

4-12, this is my favorite part of your response: "... dcsween signs a 5 year contract with a $10 million signing bonus." You haven't seen any unsigned contracts laying around, have you?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

dcsween

You might be on to something with the whole "to Lavar" thing. Players have pride and want to play, skins have shown that "we may pay you" but if you don't perform "we won't play you." That certainly gives a player a bad rep and hurts them in the market when we release them because the other 31 fiscally responsible teams will be less likely to sign them for big $. There were not many teams lined up for Lavar when he left.

Posted by: Old School | January 5, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, salary cap math has always been simple in my brain. Now, that algebra and calculus stuff from back in the school days is a whole different story. Still haven't figured any of that nonsense out.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 5, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Is Cerrato as big a joke around the lig as he is to us as fans? I'm curious if he's perceived as a talented dude (he has worked for espn as an 'expert', though they will hire just about anybody) by players and front office types from other teams, or just as Danny's cabana boy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

One from the vault... I was doing some googling and came across this blast from the past. Well, from one year ago yesterday:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/03/AR2006010300765.html

How different everything looked this time last year, when we were marching into the playoffs and were happy to KEEP Grilliams from leaving to coach anywhere else. *sigh*

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe--I think you are a little misinformed.

Salary purge? Tennesse is a small market team trying to compete with the bigger boys. They have to take chances, some work, some do not. Who better to oversee an annual purge the Skins face with stupid contracts?

Steve McNair banned from the building is Floyd Reese's fault? It may have come from the owner, who obviously wanted Vince Young to takeover asap. Maybe they feared his battered body would be injured in a workout, reducing his value...regardless, who cares? Delivering bad news, how ever unpopular, is what GM's do.

If Reese sucks, how did he keep his job 21 years? You wouldn't take Pacman Jones over Carlos Rogers right now? Haynesworth over Salavea or Golston? Please. The man knows talent, more so than anyone in Redskin Park right now.

Reese did more with less every year. He was smart enough to recognize Jeff Fisher's ability. Based on Reese's track record of drafting and management, I would rather take my chances with Reese, rather than let Joe, Vinny, and Danny continue to f up the team.

Posted by: k Squared | January 5, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"Other assistants -- such as defensive coordinator Greg Blache and linebackers coach Dale Lindsey -- could be sought for higher positions elsewhere (Lindsey said he is unaware of any interest in him)"

Great line. I wonder why??? ;)

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't think anyone's already posted this:

Jason et al get a shout out from Simmons in today's The Sports Guy column on Page 2.

"If you lost all faith in hard-hitting sports journalism, please check out the three-part series in the Washington Post that dissects the Redskins season. Really good stuff."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070105

sucks that the Skins only get national recognition for their dysfunction, but at least JLC gets some notice. way to go, boys. now lets hope some (good) changes result.

Posted by: OD | January 5, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I am about to state the blindingly obvious (just call me Counselor Troy) but has anyone thought to tell Gibbs that the best way to have "core Redskins" is to draft them and mold them?

Looking at the list of guys from the 80s that someone put up above makes me think that most if not all were drafted. Now I know that we're in a very different league when it comes to this because of FA so that large a group would be very unlikely but still.

Also wasn't Colston in NO drafted in the 7th round?
Romo undrafted (despite his keystone cop routine of the last couple weeks.
Bruschi in the 3rd.
Westbrook in the 3rd
Ryan Clark undrafted free agent
Will Allen in the 4th
and on and on

By the way if you want to get depressed go look at the drafts and the number of times it says (from Washington) next to a team ugh.


Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Bring it K-Squared!

Joe is R is wrong on Reese...the GM does the owners bidding on salary cap...and they also got in a salary cap bind from being good for a long stretch and had lots of hardship there with moving etc...

The Titanss are always stocked talent wise and when they do have purges, young studs move right in...the list is endless....Pac Man a bad pick? Only in as much trouble as Grim Reaper and he single handildy won 2 games this year. All vince young...i guess Joe missed the Jax game....

Also he quit/fired b/c after 13 years he and Fisher had to split...thats pretty normal...who wouldnt take 13 years of stability...lots of playoffs appearances, turnover yet winning...and a half inch away from winning superbowl in maybe the most entertaining SB of all time. Also that owner wanted to fire Fisher about 5 times b/c he is a hothead but Reese talked him down....sound familiar???????

Posted by: chris Larry | January 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

So the Titans start off 0-5, make a nice run and just miss the playoffs at 8-8. Result? The coach is rewarded with a contract extension.
Hmmm... sounds familiar, althought the ending is different. When the Redskins started off 0-5 and finished 8-8, Snyder rewarded his coach with a pink slip.
Clearly Marty was a better NFL coach than Spurrier, but would anyone rather have Gibbs than Marty as our coach at this point?
PS- If the skin's don't at least give Reese a serious look as our GM, we must revolt!

Posted by: Blame Snyder | January 5, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

OD - I only think one was hard hitting, which was the 1st one. the 2nd one stated the obvious and what we all knew for atleast the last 6 weeks of the seson. And I didn't view the 3rd piece as a 'hard-hitting sports journalism'. I actually like GG more after that article.

The WP just wants ratings. If it was really hard hitting, they would find someone willing to put their names out there. Most people have reasons for being UNNAMED SOURCES. You can't trust this 3 piece article because of that.

JLaC said it himself on WTEM 980. He said he talked to everyone at the Park, including the Maintence Man. WTF? The Maintence Man? And we going to trust him? Deep Cover was Archibingus. You going to trust him? He don't even play.

Anyway - JLaC should be upnext on Riggo's Show.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 5, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok...so how much mileage is 980 trying to get out of that Portis interview? It took place Tuesday afternoon but has been replayed to exhaustion. It makes him look bad. Then THEY start talking about him being traded. Well, I have heard no one out of Redskins Park say they are looking to trade him. It's all been coming from radio/print media. So in fact, if he does get traded, they are the ones partially to blame. Move on to something else 980!

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is that there is somewhat of a chance that Gggrrrriillliiaaammsss (Pond Scum?) will leave in the off-season. There WILL be changes among the defensive coaches - from 9th to 31st. A number of heads will roll. (935 yards given up in the last two games.)

The good news is that the defence is so bad now, that it can only get better. We'll get far more than 12 turnovers next year to begin with.


Best nick name of the season -

Arch-uletamanrunbyuncovered

Posted by: Joe in Richmond | November 20, 2006


After the TB game -

Howard Bryant: One player told me after yesterday's game, "Get your notebook out and take inventory, 'cause a lot of cats won't be here next year."


Does the mass exodus begin January 15?

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

charlie, not sure what you meant by that. January 15 is Martin Luther King Day. I hope the Park is closed and everyone spends that day thinking about much bigger matters than the Skins' roster.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Man, the players have to go anon because if you complain like that - unless you are a top dog like Portis - you get labeled as a loud-mouth trouble maker. Then other teams and players become really wary of you.

Imagine yourself working for a company and going to the newspaper and complaining about your companies poor performance. What kind of work environment would you have to put up after that? Not pleasant.

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, charlie, I sounded like a scold with that last post.

I'm off my game so far this year. Will redouble my efforts to contribute at a consistently high level and not sound like a whiner.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Oop. My bad I thought the fifteen is when players were eligible for free agency. I guess it's sometime in March.

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I understand Charlie.

This is what I am saying, though. It ain't Portis/Santana/The Reaper/ The O Line/ Washington talking. So, who are these sources? They can atleast mention what side of the field the player plays on. Is this source a starter or spectator? Don't just tell me this is an Unon Source. I respect Portis because he came out and said what he felt. He slighted almost everyone on the team from coaches to players.

I lie to you not when I said JLaC said he gets his info from EVERY AND ANYBODY at the PArk, including the maintence man......

Posted by: 4th | January 5, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Is J-La on the radiddio? Anything juicy to pass along to those of us not hooked in?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

You can love him if you want, but Reese was a problem in Tennessee. Look, McNair was the face of that franchise. He was their Darrell Green and they unceremoniously kicked him to the curb. Think about it, how would you like it if the Redskins had met Darrell at the door to Redskins Park and told him: "Do Not Enter. You're not allowed here anymore." That's the way Reese did the face of the Titans.

Everyone complains about the way the Redskins structure contracts. McNair's contract for his final year in TN was $50M. Wait... let it sink in. Fifty. But instead of working on a restructure, they just told him to KEEP OUT. Floyd Reese, people.

Adam Jones had trouble staying out of trouble in college and Haynesworth has had a long history of character problems. No one's saying that every NFL player needs to be a choir boy, but at some point drafting turds catches up with you. Just ask the Bengals.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | January 5, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

JLaC actually referred to Gardner, Rod as Rod Gardner........

Posted by: 4th | January 5, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I finally listened to the Portis interview on Sportstalk980.com

I stand by my statement that the engine keeping trade chatter about Portis alive is likely Portis himself, i.e., trial balloon, what's out there?

The tone of his voice when he talks about not getting into the passing game makes me want to check the receiving stats for he and Sellers compared to last year. Portis and Sellers can both catch. Reading through Jason's Part I of Lost Season brought back floods of memories about the response from Rock, Sellers, and Betts about the Duckett pickup. [btw, I think we need the GM who talked to Jason about Duckett as overweight and underachieving ... I'm thinking radical measures to remove the cerratonoma from the Skins FO.]

Between the Portis interview and the Lost Season series, it seems that morale in the Park is so shot b/c of pettiness and ego that, unless something happens quick, the adults and professionals in the organization are going to start jumping ship out of disgust ... then we REALLY become like the Lions or the Raiders ... only poison remains requiring a complete flush. [At least in Cleveland and Arizona, they still respect each other.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

After being ATTACKED by Boofhead, a little scolding is like water off a duck's back.

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Honestly - Nothing new so far.......

JLaC talked with people close AA about a possible restructure offer from the 'Skins - They said Forget about it....

Posted by: 4th | January 5, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm listening LIVE now. Who is the third voice up here, besides J-La and My Favorite Redskin, Riggo?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

That's it. Nothing new guys.........

Posted by: 4th | January 5, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, I cannot start listening to the doggone Skins radio here at "work." I have to nip this in the bud right now. The more or less constant attention to the blog and my sporadic, ADD-fueled net forays are already sapping my ability to do anything. No mas!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 5, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I agree about players jumping ship and I place the blame on the WashPo and 980 for this. Yes, things are bad but it's like both parties (WashPo and 980) have a vendetta against the Skins and want to bring them down. They are making it even worse than it is. For what? Sensationalism. No one really wants to read about good things...at least not very often. And I agree with 4th about the unnamed sources....there are far too many of them. It really strikes me as odd that players would speak about such things to a reporter. I understand that after a loss it's difficult to get them to talk to the media at all - and we had lots of losses. The guys who did speak to the television media were classy guys who would never stab the organization in the back.

Please media...your point has been made....let it go...move on to the playoffs...or basketball...or hockey...anything but destroying what is left of the Skins.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, really? Seriously? Sports Radio should be the bane of any sports fans existence. A lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. I don't see how you folks can listen to the radio hosts, much less the callers. Ugh.

The WashPo's point has been made, and now it's time for the Annual Running of the Bullsh*t. 4 free agents, 3 re-signings, 2 draft picks, and a partridge in a pear tree.

By June, we'll all be back to thinking this is our year. 31 other teams and their fans will be thinking the same thing. That's why we all love Le Football Americain so very, very, very much. Heck, even in Arizona they'll all think they're on the brink of something special.

I sincerely doubt the "media" has anything to do with the 'Skins sucking, continuing to suck, or sucking in the long-term.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse


AMEN LISA!!!!!!They dug up Lavar Arrington on 980 today. Doc and Coken were slobbering all over this guy and he wasted no time sticking it to the "Skins". I'm SO SICK of all this betchin' and cryin'. Even the casual Skins' fan knows the team is in disarray, but it's the WHOLE team. PLAYERS TOO!!!!!! Are we forgetting about losing at home to Tennessee, Atlanta after being up 14 points and Tiki's Hall of Fame performance in our house. The coaches don't play

Come on 980? Let it go. We got the point! Lavar on 980 was overkill!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | January 5, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...

Half of these idiots calling for a GM don't even know what one does.

Posted by: sicwidit | January 5, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

By June, we'll all be back to thinking this is our year.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 06:31 PM

Yup, happens to me every year. Will be the same in 2007!

My God, for starters Holdman is an unrestricted FA. We ACTUALLY won't have to pay him to NOT play for us!

Hope springs eternal!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 5, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

By June, we'll all be back to thinking this is our year.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 06:31 PM

Yup, happens to me every year. Will be the same in 2007!

My God, for starters Holdman is an unrestricted FA. We ACTUALLY won't have to pay him to NOT play for us!

Hope springs eternal!

Posted by: charlie | January 5, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Last night's "The Office" was genius!

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

I DID NOT say that the media was responsible for the Skins sucking...only that they seem to be loving it. The newspapers and radio media have made their point. EVERYONE realizes many times over how dysfunctional we are...so please move onto another topic. WE GET IT.

As to the GM that everyone is demanding....What if we get a GM and he comes in and cleans house....cuts Portis, Santana, Campbell, Sellers, Samuels, Washington, the Reaper (yeah, I'm exaggerating here but you get my point) - how would you all feel then? Just curious as to if everyone would still be crying for a GM if that were to happen. I agree we need some kind of personnel help but isn't this something a GM would have authority to do?

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

If a GM came in and cleaned house, I'd feel very vindicated for refusing to buy a jersey of any current player. Oh, and if he cuts Cooley, I give up.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

any word on jason's appearance on riggo? how did it go?

re: 980, wapo. my feeling is that this doesn't happen if red zebra isn't invented.

also there's also another thing to rember to...EVERYONE (980, wapo, nfl, nfl owners) know that what snyder's trying to do since he bought his little toy doesn't work.

let's go back and look at what he's done. after spurrier and during spurrier people on the radio said "if joe was here...and joe would do this or do that" well guess what? same crap. just different coaches and players.

what i'm trying to say is that Snyder has fired his magic bullet by hiring Gibbs. His only chance to prove ALL and EVERYONE wrong that he could do it HIS way. But it didn't. End of Story. Joe knows it. Wapo Knows it. 980 knows it. players know it. coaches know it.

So now that Snyder's fired his last bullet. his gun's empty. and everyone's letting him have it. everyone's piling on. because they know that there's NOTHING LEFT for snyder to do know other than accept DEFEAT. by admiting that he was wrong. and to hire a "GM".

And sadly, fans like lisa, are in the middle of it cuz they don't want their team being compared to the lions and the cardinals.

and Skins org has deserved all of this.

sorry lisa. but it is true. if they don't change the way they do business(acquire talent and other stuff) then this is the way it's going to be.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Good point, dealer....one I had not thought of but it makes a lot of sense. The media is upset with Danny for infringing on their turf. Makes lots of sense.

However, they seem to be sticking the knife deeper into the coaches than into Danny.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - Read above. No news......

Posted by: 4th Floor | January 5, 2007 7:15 PM | Report abuse

dealer, if $nyder won't take himself out (and he won't ... not until the team is worth even more), then he at least owes us the courtesy of taking out his eyes and ears. We've been player-hating for too long. No more bashing on guys like Brunell, John Hall, Frost, [rewind and replay early season gripes ad infinitum], now its time to lower the hammer where it should have been all along ... the one who needs to be removed if St. Joe REALLY wants to say it all falls on him ... the real reason that Joe and $nyder had their 'heated' discussion ... time to focus all rage on cerrato. the man is the cancer ... the cerratonoma.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Just heard LaCanfora on Riggo, was interested to hear his insights with the king. Now, that I heard Jason on the air, I much prefer to read LaCanfora. Stick to print J-La.

Posted by: Steve B | January 5, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

So, what exactly is the point of "Steve B"'s post?

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I know this will sound ridiculous coming from a fan addicted to the blog but I'm with Diddy when it comes to sports radio. I mean maybe it's because you have to type and read what you've typed that makes a lot of what we say here yes repetitive many times vitriolic on occaison flat out stupid but radio - you just call and verbally vomit on the air. I can't stand it and stopped listening years ago.

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Lisa I know it's hard to see the team you love get treated so badly but dealer is right about how the organization has been run and think about how the organization has treated the fans and think about the players they've stabbed in the back.

15 years of more or less uninterrupted mediocrity and when flashes of hope do appear they turn around and do even more changes.
Snyder hired effin' Spurrier and I know you won't necessarily believe me but when that happened coupled with EFFIN JEFF GEORGE I just couldn't believe it. I figured there was another season down the drain. Spurrier was never meant to be a pro coach never.
The sheer hubris and incompetence this FO has displayed on a fairly regular basis with no real winning to back it up well it speaks for itself and now they're getting their feet burned.

I guess part of the reason I can't get away from the blog is because it lets me vent to a bunch of serious and seriously fun/good fans after years of walking around at the end of each season muttering to myself and my dog.

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, with radio you're either listening to everything or you turn the program off. With the blog, you can skip past the ones you don't care for and read the ones you do.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 5, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lisa - sorry if that last post sounded like I was going off on you. Absolutely not. You're one of the peeploggers I enjoy the most. I was going off at the organization again.

I figure my frustration and irritation will boil over until I go back to work. Then I'll be busy corrupting the minds of the youth.
While obviously the Skins are everything it turns out they're not the only thing that matters in life. : )

Posted by: sfskin | January 5, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I scored an Arenas Express Card. Can you say its party time. I will file a report manana.

Posted by: LH | January 5, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

However, they seem to be sticking the knife deeper into the coaches than into Danny.

really? maybe the defense and al saunders but not joe and buges. i can't imagine them saying anything about joe and buges coaching.

sween, i had written a long reply to your comment in my head but don't feel like typing it...:)

btw before jason(of this blog) gets on me for being in the wapo and 980 management team meetings where they decided to do pile on snyder. (i could've been, you never know...but i wasn't)i just want to say that's how i see it and it's just a theory from an innocent onlooker's point of view.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

jm, what we watching tonite?

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

I reread my previous rant. It occurs to me that, by using the cancer metaphor for the VP of Player Personnel, it trivializes how bad cancer can destroy not only the victim but also the ones close to them. I'm sorry about that. Uncool.

My point was that, yeah, even though we've had plenty of crappy players, it also might be that these players weren't really brought to a place where they could succeed. What happens year after year is that a dozen or so players become the whipping boy of the week for the fans. At bottom, however, these guys are professional atheletes who have risen the ranks above tons more almost as talented college guys. It "player personnel" that got them here.

There was a bit in Jason's story (Lost Season, part 1) that ignited explosives in me: "Redskins coaches said their rankings of Lloyd only took into account what they had seen on game film. They never received from Cerrato or the scouting department any information on Lloyd having a possible attitude problem. "I was asked to evaluate him only as a player, not as a person," one coach said."

To me, this looks like $nyder's eyes and ears at the Park -- Vinny -- is undermining Joe Gibbs. An incomplete, uninformed evaluation, esp. without checking around on Gibbs' "character" criterion does a disservice to everyone -- the coaches, the players, the fans.

Having Cerrato around masks the real problem. Gibbs has to be kidding himself by thinking he doesn't need a GM b/c he must think that the combination (Gibbs + Vinny) accomplish as much as any GM could accomplish. This is delusional. If Vinny gets whacked, then the problem becomes undisguised, the emperor has no clothes. Gibbs is in deep denial. Maybe its because, if Saunders/GG/Danny design the teams, and a real GM actually does a GM job, then there isn't anything left for the "team president" to do.

You know, before this blog, I used to be a lot more positive about the team.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Redskins Report tonight...Riggo says that Snyder MUST take control and help Gibbs. His take: Gibbs brought in Saunders to help with the offense but they have different philosophies (which Gibbs did not anticipate)- and the players did not really buy into Saunders offense. Then there is Williams experiencing difficulties with the defense. Gibbs has tried to keep everyone happy (including all those secondary coaches)and not interfere with their playcalling but finally had to get involved on offense. Since it is so difficult for him to snap the whip, Riggo said Snyder has to snap it for him - but that Snyder does not want to get involved because he respects Gibbs and does not want to get in his "business." Everyone is passing the buck. Long story short: Riggo said Snyder is the OWNER and must take the burden off of Gibbs - be the fall guy.

Interesting note: CP and Santana were at the Wizards game....have a feeling they are now heading to Gilbert Arenas big birthday party.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Other items mentioned on Redskins Report:

Sonny Jurgensen said that the media backlash and dysfunction going on at Redskins Park is nothing new and is happening to other teams as well...said this kind of stuff happens to losing teams....and Gibbs has never been 5-11 so the daggers come out.

Doc Walker was also on the program and was asked about the Portis interview. Doc said that CP was riled up by the WashPo articles because every comment was made by an "unnamed player" or "source" - that was what set CP off. He was basically saying if you are going to air our dirty laundry to the media at least be a man and put your name on it.

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This was the key thing I heard on the radio. I think Riggins said it. Snyder needs to no longer give a damn what Gibbs thinks of him, and hire a GM. The whole bowing down thing is so Gibbs 1. He also said let Snyder make the seventh round pick all by himself, so he'll know whether he's a football man or not. I thought that was funny at first, but then maybe it's a good idea. Hope the Cowboys are as good as the Mavericks look right now. Had to say it.

Posted by: Brunello | January 5, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

thank you lisa and brunello. interesting shtuff!

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Re: the belching during skins and giants game

just finished watching Inside NFL and CC brought up the belching and he said that he's offering $500 reward to anyone who tell him who was doing the belching.

Posted by: dealer | January 5, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, so many directions to go. I think one key point from JLC's recent appearances is that there is no one worth having as GM that would take the job. Even if (and a huge if it is) Snyder somehow gave him real authority in the mold of Bobby Beathard, how does he comfortably work with Gibbs? When he 'makes the hard decision' and lets Lloyd and AA go, and we take the cap hit and go 4-12, who gets the blame? When push comes to shove, how will he _really_ know that Snyder will back him up over Gibbs?
In Gibbs I Trust has to be Snyder's motto. I can only hope that Joe is unhappy with the results of the scouting (draft and FA) he's got over the last two years and is going to do something about it.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 5, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I heard somewhere that Ron Wolf had been approached about being GM for the Skins in the past (this must have been a long time ago) but that he was only interested if he could become part-owner. Anyone have insight on this?

Posted by: Lisa | January 5, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I recall hearing that about Wolf -- in green Bay at the time (and still?) IIRC.

A basic question -- why do coaches want to be GMs as well? We are not the only team to struggle with this type of organization. I don't know of any situation in which it's worked well, and at least three where it's not been successful.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 5, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I love that your a die hard fan, I consider myself one as well. But please enough blame the media stuff, thats beneath you! What else are they going to talk about? How good a snapper we have, the good ole days, the Caps?
The media doesnt scare players off or make the team worse...

Its easier to love the Skins when you accdept all their foibles and stop the "Love it or leave it stuff"

Diddy,

The Office Thursday was OFF THE HOOK!

Redskins Insider: "You complete me"

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

Yes, I am a die hard fan and will support my Skins win or lose. Unfortunately, it has been LOSE far too much. I'm not blaming the media for the losses BUT our season was OVER last weekend. Why do they keep sticking the knife in the organization and stab them over and over again in the same wound. WE GET IT. The Skins should also get it by now. Move on to the next sport or to the teams who did make the playoffs. That's all I'm saying.

I'm willing to bet that if we played well, made the playoffs, etc. there would not be 3 LONG articles written about how great we were. In fact, before the season ended, the Skins did not even make the front page of the Sports section...

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I think your missing a few concepts about the media.

1. Their was TONS of articles last year about their good season and post season articles about what happens next, salary cap implications, off season predictions etc.

2. The WaPo would have been remiss and bad journalists if they had NOT run those three long stories. Thats their role to report what went wrong, to gather sources and present their readers with an account of the season. Especially with team created and controlled news that is becoming to commonplace in sports (with Danny Boy leading the way)we need objective voices! JlaC has said upteen times that this was one of the hardest beat jobs of career so your gonna argue he enjoyed "sticking the knife in"? Also you'll notice the Post did their 3 stories and then chilled on coverage...

3. Your in the minority in terms of the fans appetite for this subject and that is why 980, the post and others keep talking. Media is market driven like anything else and the Redskins rule the DC sports market with an iron hand win/lose/suck/good. IF their ratings, market research etc didnt say "talk skins!" 980 wouldnt. You think John Thompson wouldnt like to do a bit more colege hoops now? It plain media economics not personal vendettas, the glee of the skins demise or other paranoic conspiracy theories. And hey if your bored/tired/upset by it, turn it off or better off.

4. Lets accept for a second that DC media outlets like sticking it to Danny. Danny created this mess with his attempts at media conrol, vendettas, direct competition and even the feeling he soiled a once greeat Washington tradition...WHICH HE DID! He deserves what he gets...

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It's not the media 'sticking it to' Snyder, it's the media 'trying to make money'. Particularly with two sports talk stations, the competition has -- and will continue -- to feed the gossipy, strident, and almost constant barrage of 'skins "news".
This is even more true of the 'voice of the fan', whose whole raison d'etre (triple word score with an apostrophe!) is to combat the evil forces of XXX ("the mouthpiece of the team", I suppose).
The suggestion that things are pretty much okay, and that there's not much to be talked about for the next few months will not be well received.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Cload,

I think that was my point as well, I just also floated the IF theory of Sticking it, would be relatively justified....but yes I agree with you and the rest of the points I made...follow the money..

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

A couple of questions:

1. Cindy, where are we on the comment count? By my estimation we're just about at 22878 with this here post of mine.

2. Where is HaikuMan? H-Man, do not go gentle into that good offseason!

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Apologies in advance, but in Ku Man's absence

Dallas Seattle
So nervous I'm vaccuuming
Not gonna go well

The game, I mean. The vaccuuming is going okay. Anyone got any thoughts on the games today? I want Indy to win so they have to play the Ravens.

Posted by: Brunello | January 6, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Is it sad that I adore "The Devil Wears Prada"? I've seen it about 10 times now, and Meryl Streep impresses me more and more every time I watch.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I rented Scoop last night because I adore Scarlett, but I couldn't make it through. Too much Woody blathering on and on. Worst movie moments blog, Devil Wears Prada, dude, you need an intervention.

Posted by: Brunello | January 6, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Diddy....very lame..

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Only a case of Miller Lite cans for $8.99 can save him now.

Posted by: Brunello | January 6, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I am sort of glad this blog is winding down. It was taking soooooo much of my time catching up to all the blog comments. Good thing Skins football games don't happen all year round otherwise I'd need long vacations from this thing. ;)

Posted by: charlie | January 6, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Liverpool 1-3 Arsenal. Cause for further concern. I haven't been good enough to get two big wins on the same day.

Posted by: Brunello | January 6, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

22888

I think that might be exact, Cindy...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I could watch Anne Hathaway all day...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

You guys need to go light on Lisa. P not sure what to say about you watch the girlie movie 10 times.

Smack to the back of double G head. Why are you still here? Another smack to the back of the head.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Winding down?????

WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Al Pacino | January 6, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Is it sad that I adore "The Devil Wears Prada"? I've seen it about 10 times now, and Meryl Streep impresses me more and more every time I watch.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 02:07 PM


get a life, loser

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous A**,

If you're going to put down one of this blog's most respected and well-liked contributors, have the guts to say who you are.

jm, give "loser" one smack for each time Diddy's watched "Devil."

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"get a life, loser"

WTF??? Boy what anger! Who cares how other people do on their own time if it's not criminal.

ANYHOO, Crennel in Cleveland cleaned out a bunch of assistant coaches. I'd be nice if Byner ends up as their offensive coordinater though I think it's not possible becuase it's too big of a jump.

Posted by: charlie | January 6, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Too big of a jump for Byner? Or for Cleveland?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

4th floor - you are a joke. people don't put their name with the wuth the quote because they don't want to be fired. It ahs nothing to with the validity of what they ahve to say.
They want the truth out there .. but they still want to have food on the table. This is a knee-jerk franchise going on a witch hunt right now to find out who we talked to.
If you want to bash the story, do it someplace else, or have something decent to back it with up.
Take your weak crap someplace else.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! JLaC brings the whupping stick. Couldnt agree more...An anon source took down a US president yet its not valid in a sports story....

Some people on here need Mass Media 101

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

MV,

I have never heard of a running back coach moving up to an offensive coordinator. But I am not very informed on the subject. Yeah, I know - Cleveland. Not saying that he would take it but to be interviewed would be a nice acknowledgement of good jobs done.

Posted by: charlie | January 6, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame Not only are they going to get the smack. They are going to get the smack with the hammer.(remember the guy from Conan)

Damn JLC! That's how you bring it.

P I hope you know my post was a joke. You know how we do. (chris tucker from Friday's)

Smack where are brother?

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry crew. It should have read "Smack where are you brother?"

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Maurice Carthon went from RB coach to O Cord...but then again that who the Browns sacked mid season...

Posted by: chris larry | January 6, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

If the real coach killer (BBM) cost Coach T his job. Can we pick him up and firer double G? Smack to the back of double G head.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

wow, KC should thrown a bomb with first play...complete or not that would have opened things up..

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that was Jason who posted the comment to 4th floor....it was yet another pretender.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hangin' out at, get this, the new bar in my condo building. It's (I kid you not) 12 steps from my front door. Unreal. Bartender is really hot, two huge HD plasmas, and we're having a blast. Not going to post too much because we're going to head down to Qwest Field in a second. I'll try and take some pics...we can live our playoffs vicariously through the Seahawks.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Missed the intro...who is doing this game? Collinsworth and ???

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Very scary, Dame...we're at 22,910...

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

thom brenemen...i think

Posted by: Chris Larry | January 6, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Trent Green's wife: Lose that hat. Now.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Can you confirm or deny if that was JLaC opening th can of whup azz on 4th floor..?

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Just read the comment about CC and the belching....the thing is, I could have sworn that it was CC! It really sounded like him.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

KC is playing really tight. Hey Cindy.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Manning to Harrison. Heard that one before.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, obviously someone was belching - even though they denied it during the game.

Peyton Manning is so intense.......

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Can't tell if that was JLa...I'm trying not to bother him on his day off....

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Come on Cowboys. I know you all hate Dallas, but really, how can you root for some soft, sorry-ass, AFC castoff like the Shehawks. We are gonna try to bring it for the NFC East.

Reality is, Tuna will probably be outcoached by Holmgren. If the mistakes are about even, I think it comes down to coaching, and I don't like my chances. The old manboobs circuit needs to hang it up.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JM! I am thoroughly disheartened by what I've seen from the Cheeves so far. Bleccch.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

herm is a great motivator but he is so wimpy on game day...the chiefs should have come out gunning, thrown all over the place. of course the colts are gonna be jacked to stop the run....

SMACK...get real...go seahawks!!!!!

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly disheartened by what I've seen from the Cheeves so far. Bleccch.

Classic! lol

Smack I just can't bring myself to it. But it would be good to hear what you have to say after your team lose. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

It is indeed a great day...Erik Estrada is back in the news.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I hate to say this but I think your boys will win tonight. The Seahawks secondary is banged up...heard they have a personal trainer as starter on one side and an Elk hurter starting on the other. Glenn and TO should have a banner day.

By the way, SMACK, rumors are swirling that Parcells will be fired (or quit) if the Boys lose....maybe even if they win. This came from a Dallas reporter. Have you heard anything about it?

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

D'OH!!!

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

omg........boring offenses and no kicking game....Herm's playoff legacy....

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable! The Chiefs are looking "Skins-like" today. Colts win this game.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

One thing I can say for sure. It won't be the Skins that beat us. Just nice to have that 17th game. Who knows what might happen. You folks, well you pretty much know what happened.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Estrada story is, indeed, precious.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm begging you, don't say the Cowboys are going to win.

Yes I have heard all the rumors. The Cowboys blog is just like here except not as much fun. Parcells is gone, TO is gone, Jerry Jones is an idiot, we're doomed to failure, endless negativity, LOUD NOISES, und all of dees tings.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The Cheeves are killing me.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

ok chiefs......throw a bomb!

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

>>> "und all of dees tings"

That's awesome :-) I'm totally going to start using that.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the poor Cheeves! They are tired! Poor widdle tings...they need some Bosco and a little nap.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The AFC is garbage. Good thing this is only the opening act.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Another INT by the coach killer.

Time for Green to hit the bench.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

so much for an entertaininng game...

Posted by: chris Larry | January 6, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It is time to bench Brunell and bring in Campbell.
Oops. Gotta copy something over that....
It is time to bench Greene and bring in Huard.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling Huard will be starting the second half....and the drama will begin in KC.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, I'm pretty sure Parcells instructed Romo to leave Carrie Underwood at home. He has been a little unfocused as of late due to being in love and famous. He will get it together today - darn it!

Remember when Tiger Woods first fell in love, got married, etc? His golf game was a little off....Romo has been experiencing the same thing. Women can be powerful.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you are sooooo right.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Trent Green must be in love with somebody then.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Especially when they cook.
Remember when Tiger's wife cooked for him and he was deathly ill from food poisoning?

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Lisa how true your words are. Women can be very powerful.Lisa as I get ready to hit the gym again this week I thought about you. Check out this link. She is 5'4 118 pounds. But she doesn't look anywhere near that. http://www.nikkicrawford.com/

I don't want BBM to win, yet I don't want Coach T to lose.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, please restrict your comments to hurtful yet realistic statements about the Cowboys' impending catastrophe.

Thank you,
Smack

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Yet another INT by the coach killer!! As I said the last three season. Great in regular season and no hear in the playoff. He sucks!

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We're here for you, JM, as you struggle with this dilemma.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Especially when they cook."

A woman's place is on the couch waiting for me to finish cooking.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Are we sure this Eli? It could be a prank by the Manning boys.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Gotta edit that a bit, Diddy.
A woman's place is on the couch, screaming "Would you please bring in Huard???" and waiting for me to finish cooking.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Man it time for Coach Edwards to send Green to the Bench. No first downs at all!

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

You could say the Chefs were playing 'Skins football, except their defense is hanging on to interceptions.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 6, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Colts coming back to Baltimore. Nice. Payback is a...

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Shut up and cook.


:)

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

This is soooo over.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

jm220, she looks amazing....and she does not look 118.

I agree....I don't want the Colts to win (looks like they will) but I don't want Dungy to lose. He will probably get fired if that happens.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Appropriate football trivia of the day:

The Indianapolis Colts franchise began life in 1946 as the Miami Seahawks.

Posted by: loco weed | January 6, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, also appropriately or coincidentally, the Kansas City Chiefs were previously known as the Dallas Texans.

Posted by: loco weed | January 6, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please pressure the QB? Please? Pretty please?

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Therefore, both games today feature Dallas playing the Seahawks (from a non-linear perspective).

Posted by: loco weed | January 6, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Like I said Lisa muscle weighs more than fat. And if you spread all over your body it will really look good.

Can Chris get off of BBM jock?

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

But jm220, how can you make sure the weight gets distributed all over? Knowing me, it would go straight to the thighs and tummy instead of up top where I would love for it to go. Let's face it - men have it so much easier when it comes to their bodies.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I love that Cingular commercial

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Lisa every two - three months you have to take a picture of yourself. Then you will be able to see what area needs more focus. You have to do all section of the ab muscle to it doesn't pop out along with cardio.

It looks like the Colts will win this one. Think Coach H should have pulled Green after the second.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I feel really bad for Trent Green....

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

This is a crazy question but does anyone know if the playoffs will be shown in Canada? I'm heading to Toronto tomorrow.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm 1-0 so far this weekend, along with those of you who also didn't buy into the Chefs' hype. I think they were happy just to get in, and it may be that they saved Herm's job getting in (though I don't believe it).

By the same token, the Colts may have saved Dungy's job by winning this one, if it were really in danger. There goes one potential Grilliams job opening...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 6, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, wouldn't it be funny if the NFL aired on an obscure Canadian channel like the former OLN, as the NHL does in the US?

My guess is every playoff game will be easy to find on teevee up there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 6, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey peeploggers! I was late coming in on KC Indy - unexpectedly bad performance by KC. Over course they have a long history of choking in playoffs since Stram.

Um is Andrea Kramer 4" tall?

Um why the eff is Jim Mora in the studio?
Job audition?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ooh lots to comment on I feel.

Diddy - Devil Wears Prada is outstanding movie. Only troglodytes are too blind to recognize Meryl Streep's genious. She is the absolute best actor right now of any generation bar none.

No seriously WHY is Jim Mora in the studio?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - you're bound to pick up US channels in Toronto if nothing else.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The studio is one step closer to the University of Washington...

My mom is 4'10" and shrinking...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 7:46 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

Mora is a guest host because Collinsworth (a regular host) was calling the Colts/Chiefs game. Costas mentioned that he was sure Mora would get another coaching job sometime in the future and Mora said he wants one now....he is ready to jump back in.

Nate, why do you think Herm will be fired? This is his first year with KC...firing him after one season would be as crazy as some of the things the Skins do.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Getting to the playoffs is so easy, even a troglodyte could do it.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Did you see her (Streep) in "A Prairie Home Companion"? Polar opposite role and still spectacular...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

MV - I did and she was great!

Smack - thanks for acknowleding my SAT word. : )

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey boys - do any of you think Pink is hot? I ask because I have wondered all season why she's the singer.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the Cheeves' Gardner, Rod during the game? Bright gold earrings sparkling in the hot glare of the sideline cameras...

And just now they've put up a new article by Les on another ex-Skins reciever - Panther, Pink...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Pink is nasty, but actually I sort of like her because she doesn't take herself seriously, and makes a joke out of Brit, Paris, Cristina, and the whole pseudo-celebrity thing. No idea how that relates to football though.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I would listen to any Pink song a million times over a la the end of A Clockwork Orange, if it meant I never had to hear This is Our Country again.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I swear to the gods I am going to move to Canada if I hear the flingin flangin Chevy ad again!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, another Pink...

Yes, I think Pink is hot. Some may say a little too rough and tough but I'd just say a strong woman. I also like her voice and the song they used. Could have done with some different outfits but overall it works for me...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - you're bound to pick up US channels in Toronto if nothing else.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 07:41 PM

sfskin, you can't hide from John Cougar!

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey is our boy Diddy at the game? We should have told him to dress in Skins colors/jerseys with head dress and everything just to draw the cameras to him.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

This looks familiar.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought Diddy said he was going to game. Usually he sez goodbye, tho. It's Saturday night, he might have a date.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Good point MV. I'll have to move to the Yukon. Of course at that point I'll actually have to buy a Chevy.

Hey I know someone asked this many threads ago what is the point of that little horseshoe thingy on the helmet mask?

WOOO Ingram!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Well Cindy he definitley should be dressed in burgundy and gold if he's on a date.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Unquestionably, SF! I see him in an outfit from Neon Deion's tailor.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I recall hearing rumblings (typical stuff) that Herm's job was in danger after one disappointing season. So if there were any credence to that, which I doubt, the danger should have passed simply by the Chiefs' surprising playoff berth. I like the dude and wish him all the best, just like most other good guy coaches in the league, unless his team is facing ours.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 6, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't like this Diet Pepsi commercial. Marty scares me in the same way that the King does.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

It sounded like Diddy was heading out to bar hop and watch the game on teevee, unless I misunderstood.

Still amazed that he could host Gilbert's birthday party into the wee hours this morning and be in Seattle by kickoff tonight. The dude is awesome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | January 6, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I think Diddy was going to the game....he said "they" were heading over to Qwest Field. I don't believe he has a date.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I was watching an NFL films on the 1998 Wildcard game SF v GB where TO made the final catch from Young to win the game. I remembered that but what I'd forgotten was TO had dropped passes all day long before that catch. Some things never change I guess.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

He'll be the guy dressed as a Hogette.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Geez can you imagine going from your couch watching a game to the effin playoffs! Only in America!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

SHUT UP JOHN COUGAR! SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

Isn't GM on the verge of bankruptcy? How can they afford all these ads?

AAAAHHHHH

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Never been prouder to drive a Toyota.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Evidently they have enough dough to continue to buy ads, but lack enough to produce new content.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't call Pink hot. But you can't call her a dog either. It something about her that makes you like her.

Smack I am still pulling for you team to lose. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Now you know I liked that hit. Way to bring the wood.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Ooh nice hit!

Does anyone else think that having a 12th man flag is kinda lame?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Boyz in the Sports Dept. do not care for the Pink intro...One of them would have chosen Drive-By Truckers. I second that.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

That's alright JM, I understand. I am still pulling for your team to recover from Gil's party.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

My next vehicular purchase is going to be either a Honda S2000 or an Infiniti G35 Coupe...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow so this is what two 9-7 teams look like in the playoffs.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

DBT would not sell out to that crap, no chance. Patterson would kick ass though.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

My God, I have watched an insane amount of really bad football the last four-plus months.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Cindy - here is an inane question but that's how boring the game is.

Is your name actually Cindy or was that bequeathed to you by the blog at some point?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It is actually my name. Although the birth cert sez "Cynthia." Gack.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Cynthia. How 'bout we just call you "Sin"?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Hmm I actually like the name Cynthia maybe it's cuz I've had 2-3 very nice students with the name over the years.

Good god could the offense in this game BE any worse?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right...

MV you didn't just go old school on us did you? Man that is a great song.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Trivia note for the moment - Primeval is a movie based on a killer Crocodile named Gustave.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I am called Cyn by many....note different spelling, Dame.
:)

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

That is a great song . . . nice tribute MV.

I'm sure Bobby would appreciate it.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

My best friend in first grade in Puerto Rico was named Gustavo! I just called him Gus.

Man. I feel like I'm back in PR right now. Or maybe it's just all that Bacardi coursing through my veins...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Thank god the refs decided to generate some yards through penalties.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the Skyns post a lot of wyns next year...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

MV you Puerto Riceno?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

My apologies to the AFC for my earlier comments.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Wyns! LOL!

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Man this game suck! I like Cyn.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I like Cyn too.
Okay the fish slaughter was the best part of the game so far!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey jm where in the Jerz do you live?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey jm where in the Jerz do you live?
Why you want to come and visit? lol That's just a joke got to make my own excitement because this game suck. I live in Dover, NJ which is about 15 min outside of Morristown. 35 min from Newark and 45 min from Manhattan.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes boredom drives me to ask.

My family used to go to Long Beach Island in the summers back before it got hideous. Also I went to grad school in Philly and college in VT so I've driven through NJ a million times.

Once you get past the NY suburbs it's actually a lovely place.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Where is SallieMae? Loco someone because this game is putting me asleep.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

TO why do you bother running around out there when you have no interest in catching the football.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Yet another drop by T.O. But hey I love me some T.O. Who can make a play? I can. Who can make play? I can. Let's go T.O. I love me some me. LMAO!

Posted by: jm | January 6, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Boys about to score - darn it!

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Smack your boy Romo looked hurt.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Darn it - Boyz scored!!!

So jm220, how did you wind up in Jersey? I'm assuming you lived in the DC area at one time.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I love football

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

¡Sí, Señorita! ¡Soy puertorriqueño! My mom's side and I've still got family there.

Incidentally, I'm going to be driving cross-country in the next year or two in my brand new S2000 and I would love to visit or see some fellow Insiders. You know, have some company to see a Skyns game with while I'm so far from home.

jm, you're already on my list, but I'll tell you something now in no uncertain terms... I ain't doing 250 crunches no way and no how.

sfskin, I've already got a place to stay out there (I think? The sister of one of my women lives in Campbell), but I'm going to be in the area, nonetheless.

Whenever we get started up next season - that is, if we don't continue on right through the summer here - you all have to keep your monikers so we know who we're talking to. I expect to be back in DC come kick-off 2007 but I'll still keep my MV Dame name...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame If you come we got to hit the gym. I promise to go light on you. lol

Lisa before I got injured a little over a year ago. I was doing a lot of modeling in NY. The traveling back and forth almost every week got to me. Since the injury I haven't done any modeling.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to meet an Insider! I've driven across country about 10 times and love it.

My parents met and married in Puerto Rico so it has sentimental value for us as a family.

You know I think it's entirely possible we may end up with 10-6 at the end of this game if the 2nd half goes as the first.

Ugh.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

jm, you did some modeling and you were rankin' on "The Devil Wears Prada"?? Shame on you...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Where did they marry in PR? My parents' got married in St. Augustine's in Old San Juan in 1968. In fact, they just celebrated their 38th anniversary December 21st. You know why the 21st? Cause my dad's a sicko (just like me, I guess). Cause it's the winter solstice, so it's, um...

...the longest night of the year.

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

MV can you say girlie movie? OK I didn't see the movie. It very well maybe good.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Nice! I like your dad's thinking.

They were married in a civil ceremony at the Supreme Court building. Mi mama es chilena and my dad is from Illinois. She's catholic and he is congregationalist so they decided to go civil in the ceremony.

They just celebrated 40 years in August.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey jm any of your stuff on the web that we can check out?

Listen based on the NOLA photos you've nuttin to shy about so cough it up.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Did you happen to read Tuna's lips there? He told Romo, "Throw the [a word that appeared to begin with the sixth letter of the alphabet] ball."

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

You know, jm, as a man I can actually say it was decent. Meryl Streep can act and Anne Hathaway is exceedingly easy on the eyes. And the script itself ain't too bad either. But I also want to say...

"jm220 - America's Top Model"

(with a nice little old Boofer laugh thrown in for good measure hehehahaheehaaheehaaheee)

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

sfskin Sorry nothing on the web.

MV you will pay for that one in the gym. (you did get a laugh out me good joke)

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, JM, tell us where we can check out your modeling pics.

My dream as an adolescent girl was to grow up and be a model.....but then I stopped growing at 5'2"

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - I think you qualify as a sideline reporter for NFL. You must be a good foot taller than Andrea Kramer.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to your parents, sfskin! I hope to one day attain what both of our parents have. Wuv. Twuueee Wuv.

I guess I have to find a woman to marry first, though...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

i spy hamdan!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah me too. Course yes there is that whole have to find a date thing first.

Mahwige. Mahwige is what bwings us togedder today. Dat bwessed event. A dweam within a dweam.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

andrea kramer blinked more times in 15 seconds than i had all week

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Love to see Roy Williams tackle!

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it my imageenayteeon or did SEA just put together a drive?

Nice. And way to go for it on 4th down. . .hope St. Joe is watching and taking notes.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I dub her "Blinky."
Blaw.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

dealer, that's cause you're a coked-up hamster and they only blink once every few hours...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Two most beautiful words. "No flags".

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

OMG do we have a game now?

On a side note - that Blair Underwood is one handsome man.

Come Seahawks let's see what you can do.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - As someone who covered the NHL for 10 years, trust me, the games will be on in TO. And if tyou get the urge, you can legally gamble on them in pretty much any convenience store.
Thank god for Miles Austin. There is finally some drama today. The first 6 quarters of NFL action today were lame.

Got back from Ravens practice this afternoon. Those people know how to treat a scribe, I'll tell you that much.

Guess I should start a new thread for the Sunday games, eh?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Uh, THAT was Jason.
:)

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

1: Darn - Dallas scored again
2: I would love to be a sideline reporter
3: Is Andrea Kramer really that short or is she just next to tall people?
4: Agreed, skskin, Blair Underwood is yummy

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

J-La - make it short and sweet and try to spend time with the family.

"It's Sunday. It's the playoffs. We're not there. Discuss."

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Well she was interviewing Holmgren before the game and it turns out he is 6'5" so he is tall but she came up to his navel.

He is yummy. Yummy wiht a spoon.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, just wrote it up and posted the new one to start at 12:05 am (in the East). figured the Dallas game would be over by then and we could focus on the Sunday games.
got some stuff ready for a Monday morning blog as well and have an interestiing guest column for Tuesday.
Plus, I'll blog more this week when I am sitting out in Owings Mills waiting for the Ravens locker room to open up.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Great to see you in the house JLC.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

what do you have to do to get a holding call inthis leagu?! the guy's head almost came off...

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Good to be here, bro.
This game is getting pretty interesting.
I have a sick feeling whoever wins this is going to the Super Bowl.
either team will be clobbered by the AFC, but I just have a weird feeling about it.
Also, Madden needs to get off TO's jock ASAP. The dude is one of the 5 most over-rated players in the NFL.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

oh silly dealer holding is for kids

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I have a sick feeling whoever wins this is going to the Super Bowl.

sorry jason but the iggles are playing way too good right now for any of these chumps to punk them. JJ and monte kifin. ummmmazing!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Did you know...?

So you know all those numbers I crunched for that guest column last week? Well I'm working on a more comprehensive follow-up for some time later this week, and did you know that way back on August 14, 2006, JLC had an untitled post? And even worse than that, but just eight days after that he had a completely untitled and altogether unwritten post?? Inconceivable!

It might, however, please you to know though that history shows one "P Diddy" leading off that untitled/unwritten post with the following comment:

"This is easily the best blog post in the history of the Internets. Sheer genius."

And it still remains true to this day...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank you J-La! I agree. And that isn't just because I think he is a giant douchebag.

By the way is the 2006 season going to be known as "Season of the Dropped Pass"?

It's a plague.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

dame, that's me! coked up hampster.

hi sfskin! CYNTHIA!!!!!!!! i do too like that name better than cindy. :)

GAME!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason, Thanks for the info on the games in Toronto. Can't understand why anyone would schedule a conference during the NFL playoffs but my client did so off to Toronto I must go. I hear it is beautiful there so that's good.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Out of bounds!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

nope! he was in. so game! no matter what happens in this game. tony romo's legit. kinda excited for next year's skins pukes game.

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh never mind.

Lisa - Toronto is also a very fun city. I was there for a wedding in October and had a great time. Lots of cool restaurants and bars and even though it's a large city it feels like a small one.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey dealer.

Yeah I think you're right unless SEA gets a runback for TD or something.

I also agree about Skins Paddies over the next few years. It should be fun.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

All right ("Alright," Cyn?), I'm signing off for tonight cause I need another RCR, and I'll pretty much be done after that.

(For all you teetotaling novices out there, that's a "Rum and Coke Refill.")

See you tomorrow.

*hiccup*

Alas, still no sign of Haikuman...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Err, HaikuMan.

Sorry, Master.

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, sfskin, I've heard Toronto is cool. I probably will not have a chance to enjoy it since I will be there barely 36 hours. My flight back to DC leaves Tuesday morning at the ungodly hour of 7:00 am!! Needless to say, I was not the person who booked that flight.

I am about to make a shocking statement...are you all ready? I think the Giants will beat the Eagles tomorrow night. Mark it down.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Did you see the guy with the hog's nose??? That could be Diddy.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I'm still here. Diddy needs to come correct tomorrow and give us all the juicy details...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 6, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

toronto flat out rocks.

killer city. people always ask me what I miss most about covering the NHL, and, apart from my friends in the league/media, it is definitely no longer going to Canada.
Awesome people. Awesome beer. Awesome cities.

And, if you want to google my name and "Windsor, Ontario and Super Bowl" you will see that it has some awesome, uh, ballets as well.

Back in the day when I was a 22 year old single guy, with a damn near 2:1 exchange rate, nothing made my eyes light up like seeing that the Red Wings were heading on a prolonged Western Canada road trip.

What happens in Vancouver stays in Vancouver.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Holy Cow nice catch!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Jason, do you have any diet and/or physical exercise advice for a 40yr old male, redskins fan and father of 3 kids under 6?
Thanks

Posted by: Robert A Bowie | January 6, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey time for a safety.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Or a 50 yard pass play.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Robert, you are asking the wrong dude. I could not be more out of shape right now.

Eat more cheesesteaks/drink more beer?

Take a long guy's weekend in Canada and email me for where to go?

Would that be wrong?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!!!!!! CRAZIEST PLAY EVER!!!!!!! well not EVER! but crazy!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

REPLAY RIGHT NOW!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Okay, craziest play ever in a postseason game just happened.
Puts the Holy Roller and Immaculate Reception to shame.
What the hell was that?
Whatever it was, though, I think they got the call right.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow...this game just got exciting!

Jason, I did the google search...ballets? Yeah right :-) Now I remember the talk earlier this year about Detroit's proximity to Canada....

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

It's a safety.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

jason, was that you up there crushing 4th floor up there?


that was sooooooo a TD!!!!!!!! ARGH!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Um that wasn't the safety I was thinking of but okay.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Toronto has a ton to offer. It has an amazing Chinatown. Unbelievable shopping and if you are into opera/theatre, it is a step behind New York and London in that department, but not all that far.
Also, the hockey hall of fame is really cool if you are into the sticks and pucks at all.
It is a beautiful big city.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

That by the way is why Al Michaels is the best call guy in the game.

Reviewed it, got it, called it, explained it.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

what's wrong with hassleback? he's playing like he did against the skins in the first round. is it just me or the SEA receivers making crazy catches...i've already seen 5 fingernail....

TD! finally!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

i've never seen stevens play this good before...

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Looks like they are about to go down Smack

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

dealer, that was me. As far as I know everything ever posted under my name here has been from me. That definitely was.
It kills me that people try to act like those quotes don't mean anything because they are annonymous. The sentiments expressed in all of thoe quotes were repeated over and over. I didn't use anything unless several more people said the same thing and basically vouched for what we heard.
These thoughts are prevalent through the enture organization. This stuff is for real, and, journalistically, we could not have held ourselves to a high standard.
I have no problem with being ripped, but you'd better come correct and not sound like something Gibbs would try to say to poo-poo reality.
Plus, Portis essentially went on the radio and validated our stories. This is reality. It's a harsh reality, but it's reality.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Loverly!

Umm Cowboys secondary is pulling a Skins.

Come on defense. By the way did anyone hear Madden talk about how Seattle is playing cover 2 on TO well?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

if this score holds, what are the odds on BOOFER showing his face on the blog this week?
Somehow I doubt it.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jason...now I'm excited about the trip!

Robert, you can ask jm220 about your diet/exercise program. He's got guns and he's great!

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

J-La - once again all the people bi!chin about your articles are BAMFs because as I said before it calls your and WaPos journalistic integrity into question which is hogwash crap.

I guess these people think whistle blowers who don't want to be revealed are cowards as well.

COME on Defense!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Jason, do you need an assistant, like someone who could look up stats for you or something? I am a 40yr old male, redskins fan and father of 3 kids under 6.
I am in computer technology business and looking for a career change.
Thanks

Posted by: Robert A Bowie | January 6, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to put out a theory I've had for a long while now.

I think Boofer is actually one of our own peeps who just put on the ALL CAPS to incognito and get us all riled up. Evil genius!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Lisa.

JCL calling for Boofer can get you a smack in the back of the head my friend. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, what was wrong with my prescribed diet? It works for me.

sfskin- you nailed it. it's the same reason why people make annonymous calls about tips on safety issues at a grocery store or something like.
I am, not in any way putting this story on par with that, but the reasoning for the whistle blower is the same.

damn, here come the cowboys.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Have to second the amazing Chinatown in Toronto. Had the best Chinese meal of my life outside the Orient in a little hole-in-the-wall second-floor restaurant there. Spent about a week there and never went away disappointed.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Boofer will make an appearance real soon....probably within the next few minutes :-(

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

jason, i hear you man.

Plus, Portis essentially went on the radio and validated our stories.

jason, i said the exact same thing here when people were questioning ann sources after listening to portis. when asked if your articles were true by 980...he answered "yes". that's it. let's move on.


Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

let em score

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

BOOFER is definitely someone who likes to push buttons. At one point he emailed me saying that if I paid him each week he would keep getting under people's skin and would in turn drive up the hits on the blog.
I politely declined.
he says he comes from a family of Skins fans or something like that, if I remember correctly, and loves pushing buttons.
Have to admit he is pretty good at it.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

that's game right? they should let them score a TD

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

cload and daggar - ain't that the damnest thing about Toronto's Chinatown? A lot of the places look like lame storefronts, but you go in and end up having an amazing 5 course meal for like $30 US, and getting treated like a king.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa you got to try the green tea there. I have a friend that sends me green tea from Canada all the time.

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

You gotta go for the FG here, but there's way too much time left.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

At one point he emailed me saying that if I paid him each week he would keep getting under people's skin and would in turn drive up the hits on the blog.


Okay that's just hugely lame.

Eeks this is an ending I didn't expect with 1st half. Nice!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

HOLY FUDGE!!!!!!!!!! COws lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY

THIS IS THE CRAZIEST EFFIN GAME EVER!!!


I LOVE FOOTBALL!!

Posted by: Anonymous | January 6, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Smack! I know you got to be kicking yourself right now. LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh my Amazing God!!!! What a game!

I love football!

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay dude SEA #27 is MVP with that tackle!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my. You gotta go for the FG and then muff the hold and run for the goal line and fumble it away.....
Oy.
This officially de-boofs the blog.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

and the DECADE long streak continues. call up double G cuz there's about to be another coaching job opening.

I LOVE ROMO!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Does Carrie Underwood dump romo?

Posted by: Robert A Bowie | January 6, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I was cackling too much. Did they explain why Romo was holder?

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Holy SHIIIII

Romo blows the snap. Cinderella is now puking all over her dress in the lady's room.
Is it just me, or did he get pretty close to the first down? Should they not have even measured that? Seemed close to me. They had to get to the 1?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah J-La I think they reviewed it because it was under 2 min and called it 4th down.

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Canada -- Vat a Country! I grew up in Detroit, in that little strip of earth north of Canada, so I never really appreciated what the exchange rate and different laws really meant. I remember going on a swim meet to Toronto in ~ 1975, getting like $10 from my parents in spending money, and then exchanging it for what seemed like hundreds of this weird money -- but oh, how much candy could you buy with it!
Then, a little later, my first experience with adult entertainment. Topless yes, bottomless yes, but never naked! They do have some sense of decorum!

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

That is soo Booferish! I knew he was someone that lives in the DC area and is a Cowboys fan just because he hates the Skins....probably never set foot (or pinkie toe) in Big D.

Please Seahawks - win this game!

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

hold on...i said that too fast...

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

cload - I speak Canadian with the best of them.
So they did review the play? I had to make a pit stop, guess I missed that.
Did they review it for a first down or just a fumble?
I still wonder if he got it.
Either way, moot point.
Wow, the punter almost got hit. Man, what a bizarre game.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

TO WAS INTERFERED WITH!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!

:)

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Smack sorry about your paddies man.

This was nuttiest ending I think I've ever seen.

Ain't nuthin like this in any other sport.

love it love it love it love it

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Okey dokey kids I'm outta here off to get some drinks and stuff.

See y'all tomorrow.

Yippeekiyay MoFo!

Posted by: sfskin | January 6, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

wow! what a game. awesome. now we can watch the playoffs in peace. wait the coach killer's team's still playing...hmmmmm who cares!

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Seahawks win! Never thought I would be rooting for the Seahawks....

So Jason do you play hockey?

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

That is why I still say, I love football. Crazy. Good luck Redskins the rest of the way. Oh wait, I forgot.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

They did not review it, although they had enough time with the change of possesion to take a look at it. thanks to the miracle of Tivo, his knee hit at the three, so he never would've gotten the first down. It did look like the ground caused the fumble, so putting the ball down at the two was the right call.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

jason, they had to have called it down by contact cuz SEA got the ball back at 1. i have my sound down...so just guessing

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - played most of my life, but sadly, have not even skated in like a year and a half.
Once the playoffs are over I plan on taking Chloe to a bunch of Caps practices - she likes to watch sports, thank god - and getting her on the ice regularly for some public skates, just me holding her at first, getting her used to the ice and making sure she is not afraid of the surface.

She's a bit of a daredevil, so I hope to have her on the ice with me in some figure skates in another few months (once she's about 2 1/2).

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

smack, dude a play like that can end a QB's or a pitcher's career. he's messing up routine plays but does make good highlite reel plays. talking about romo

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

dealer - that makes sense. he definitely didn't fumble, so i guess then knee came down around the 2 then. makes sense. that alexander run on first down for like 20 yards was huge, because they might have stuffed them for a safety as that drive went on.
weird, weird, game.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

And wrapped around her finger on two surfaces by the age of three...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Smack at least we won a playoff game last year.

JLC when are you going to have everyone hook up at the bar?

Posted by: jm220 | January 6, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

yeah dealer, bummer and all. I still hope the nfc steals this one.

Posted by: SMACK | January 6, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

cload - ain't that the truth? pretty pathetic but she's not even 23 months and already ruling the roost. I am merely a pawn in her game.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

jm - I figure after the Super Bowl.
They have me in Bmore much of the time the next few weeks, then a week in Miami at the Super Bowl.
So finally then it will actually calm down and I can spend some time with the family and pick a night for the pub crawl/happy hour.
I will definitely give everyone a few weeks notice.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 6, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Jason, that's the way to do it...get Chloe introduced to the sport early and you may have a star on your hands - of course you already have a little star on your hands.

Parcells presser was on the NFL Network - he was actually pretty subdued. Deion is saying that Jerry Jones is HOT right now.

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

My youngest is almost three, and I can finally get her to snap to if I'm serious enough. But that golden age of two, where they can 'Want', and at the same time pretend not to understand anything you say... well, they say that a two year old is the perfect form of birth control.

On a football-related note, the officials seemed to get every important call right in that game; and there were a lot of them...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

smack, i really think nfc will.

the best team is SD right? no way they win the SB. phillip rivers at QB? c'mon! he's a rookie. and above that with marty? nope. no way hose A.

baltimore goes where SM goes. so we have to ask jason how SM is doing.

i really think the iggles this year are the patriots of '01(their first sb). don't you think?

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Lisa -- the coaches comments on the NFL Network? For a game not involving the skins? That might cross the line between interest and obsession. So, will 'the Player' return, and what does that mean for 'the Coach'?

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 6, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

then a week in Miami at the Super Bowl.

dude! (jason), i really hope you're taking chole and maama with you. they'll be at the beach if you need 'em.

Posted by: dealer | January 6, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Cload,

I am football obsessed! The NFL Network is the bomb!

TO is being interviewed now - he is very subdued as well. He said Romo was in tears and he feels badly for him - told him he was there for him. TO says he feels like crying as well. This is good stuff!

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

the player is on now and he's actually saying all the right things...he has thrown no one under the bus.

Posted by: jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I actually like THIS sympathetic TO.

Little T learns to share....

Posted by: Lisa | January 6, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The player said everything you would want a player to say. "He was humble, poised, well-spoken, a good teammate," Steve Mariucci said.
Next up: Tony Romo.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh nooooo. They've done a remake of "The Hitcher". Is nothing sacred?

Posted by: LH | January 6, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Romo:
"it hurts real bad right now just to think about it. i know how hard everyone in that locker room worked just to get in position to win today. to lose that way and for me to be the cause is just hard to take."
"it's gonna sit with me a long time."

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

FYI, that sound you heard is the hot chicks jumping from the Romo bandwagon.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 6, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Pretty pricey lesson in humility for Mr. Romo.

I almost feel sorry for the kid, but I'm too overjoyed that the boys still haven't won a playoff game in a decade. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | January 6, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, Romo has one more game....the Pro Bowl....

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

OK crew I am out for tonight. Hit you guys up in the morning.

Lisa have a safe trip sweetie.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

editor, yeah...i didn't think he was that leader-ish after that play. he was like adam morrison. there's no crying in fuball! especially when there was so much time left.

but did you see that last pass within few feet from their receiver in the endzone? crazy game!

Posted by: dealer | January 7, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Insane game! It was sad to see him crying....Seems to me the job of a coach is to come over and explain the situation...that whole thing about the fat lady singing.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 7, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Best postgame quote, Parcells:
"I'm not into a state of the union after one of these games. Fellas, come on."

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 7, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Signing off here to do final edit on pokes-hawks...Jason has a new entry timed for 1 tomorrow...See you then.

Posted by: Jason's editor | January 7, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

cload - that is good to hear. we are hoping that by age 3 we can reason with her, and know that when she plays dumb she is not just BSing us.

dealer, originally we had hoped to try to turn the Super Bowl into some kind of mini vaca, but Lauren is expecting in march and can't travel, so that's out.

It'll be a week of hard work - and hard blogging - away from the family, but once I get back I plan on taking a boat load of comp time, vacation time and paternity time.

These guys owe me a whole lotta days off.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | January 7, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

The wee ones are much smarter than you can ever give them credit for -- my latest example was when I was talking like a pirate to her older brother, and she came trotting up an said "Arrgh, Matey!" in as gravelly a voice a two-and-a-half year old can muster.
that's one of those moments you break out in a grin and can't stop for a week.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Few things:

- I was at the game. I was wearing Varvatos with a waterproof cashmere Zegna overcoat. No hog's noses, I assure you :-) Though, if Armani made a hog's nose, I'd be on that like white on rice.

- What a hilarious game. It was an endless array of "WTF?" moments. Folks in Seattle were HAPPY tonight. And, by HAPPY, I mean druuuuunk.

- Walking from my condo (and pre-game bar) to the stadium took 16 minutes. We had to stop for a Starbucks AND we had to stop for a blue/green bagel.

- My nine month pledge ended up ending at 6 days. Everyone gave me a standing ovation tonight, and, quite frankly, 6 days without booze is a Herculean effort. I'm proud of myself in the same way that Tony Romo is proud of himself tonight.
All it took was one Jaeger shot, and, hot damn, I'm done. I wish I could have resisted, but it was a victory toast.

- In honor of the zaniness of the Fiesta Bowl, I was compelled to propose to a Seagal. She said no.

- Whoever the ref was for this game was totally on top of things.

- Romo has lots of big games ahead of him. I know it's the Cowboys, but I really hope folks don't string him up. Remember in 1990, Mark Rypien threw a game away first in Indy in the season finale and later in San Francisco on the road. He came back the next year to win the Super Bowl. I like this dude (I also adored Aikman), I hope he and Campbell keep the 'Skins/Cowboys rivalry competitive for a long time.

- For next week, we're trying to decide between heading down to San Diego for the Chargers' playoff game and Whistler for (mmmmmmmmmmmmm) Sorority Weekend. Tough decision.

- God bless cute little blonde girls. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, one more thing, in last year's Super Bowl, these annoying Seahawks fans whined (and whined and whined and whined) that they were robbed by the refs...

Well, in this game, they got all sorts of sketchy calls go their way.

I hope they stop whining now.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh, one last thing...JLaC said...

>>> "What happens in Vancouver stays in Vancouver."

Vancouver is the "Hollywood of Canada". Imagine this scenario: women AS HOT AS Los Angeles, with NONE of the attitude, COMPLETELY approachable, VERY fun, TOTALLY single, and wide open, fun, and "anything goes" attitude of Canada...and now you know why every guy in Seattle (home of the repressed, couch-surfing single woman) loves to be in Vancouver.

Know this: Seattle is lame, Vancouver and San Diego are awesome. No one in their right mind would come vacation in Seattle...just skip it and go to Vancouver. Same beautiful scenery, much better people.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear you're drinking again, Diddy, even if you're not happy about it. I myself had a bit too much Bacardi last night and couldn't sleep. Woke up and started writing limericks til I finally got out of bed and came to the office (for this, of course). You'd think the rum would do me in but my body thought it was more like a blood transfusion.

Drunken limerick to follow...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"but Lauren is expecting in march and can't travel, so that's out."

Congrats JLC on the new addition. That's great stuff.

Posted by: calebt17 | January 7, 2007 8:25 AM | Report abuse

You stink like some old rotten feta
Yes I'm talkin' 'bout you Archuleta
Your play makes us sick
Get out of town quick
Need a ride? Take JLC's Jetta

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

JLC congrats brother. We see you been holding out on us. lol

P I can't believe you went back to drinking. Damn! Damn! Damn! lol

MV get all of your fun in now. When you hit the dirty jerz you are mine my friend. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Yes, congrats, JLC!

About the pub crawl: I'll be in DC over Super Bowl weekend (my niece's b-day is the 3rd) but could probably extend my stay for the whole week after if we can make it happen then.

jm, I've got nothing to say. Don't want to dig a deeper hole than I'm already in...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Re: JLC's 2006 Super Bowl article

Is it a coincidence that one of the nude clubs in Windsor is named "Jason's"?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Is it just me or am I all on my own again?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

MV you're not on your own my friend. I love Canada.

I thought JLC said he set the new thread to begin at 1am?

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I thought that too when he said it last night but Cyn Cyty is telling us it'll be this afternoon...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

OK cool. I love the new name for Cindy. Cyn, you got to love that. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Bobble 'Boy

Wow espn going a little hard on Romo

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

You see the news about the USC kicker, dead at the bottom of a cliff?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeah it's very sad. It seem like this year there are a lot of death around football.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

By the way, we're pushing this bad boy past the 700 mark and christening it the "Al Saunders Playbook." Gotta do it before noon, though...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

If we don't get there, everybody's got to do 700 crunches.

Umm, everybody meaning jm...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Umm, everybody meaning jm...

Yeah keep it up DV. LMAO. You know what they say about pay back.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

MY POSTSEASON BLOG AWARDS

MVP: Megskin

Offensive Player of the Year: HaikuMan

Defensive Player of the Year: jm220

Rookie of the Year: Nate in the PDX

Comeback Player of the Year: Pink CC

Coach of the Year: Jason La Canfora

Hall of Fame Inductee: ArtMonkToTheSticks

Heisman Trophy: P Diddy

Nobel Peace Prize: Cyn Cyty (aka Cindy, Jason's Editor)

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, JLC, do you know if it's going to be a boy or girl?

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

MV man I would love to put the pads on and lay the wood just one more time. Do you think double G could play RB,WR, or QB? I promise after one hit I will retire and never come back. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Lisa I thought you was heading out to Canada today.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

jm, you've been laying the back of the head smack all year and, as far I know, haven't tested positive for steroids or anything!

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

haven't tested positive for steroids or anything!

No juice for me brother. I like how everything works. (if you know what I mean)

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

On Outside the Lines. One of the reports think JJ is going to cut T.O.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

He doesn't want to lose Parcells...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

Congrats on the newest edition (pun intended) to the family and good luck to you, Lauren, and Chloe.

jm220 - what kind of leg workout are you doing that makes you want to break backs afterwards? just finished my leg workout (new year's resolution is to lift legs 1x per week to try to limit my running injuries/make up for my much lower running mileages) and I was worried my sewing machine leg wasn't going let me shift my car in an out of gear. I don't see myself moving from the couch for several hours; only reason I'd call my girlfriend now would be to bring me food/beer/massive amounts of painkillers or to smother me with a pillow to put me out of my misery. this does get better, right?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | January 7, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Adam, you're a real man driving a stick. Good for you. Not enough of us around anymore...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

And SMACK, if you weren't a boys fan, I'd feel badly for you. Do have to give it to Romo to going to his presser, answering questions, and taking responsibility for the loss; a LOT of other people would not have done that.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | January 7, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

jm220 - what kind of leg workout are you doing that makes you want to break backs afterwards?

Leg Extensions,Standing Leg Curls,Leg Presses, and Squats. Adam trust me, once you get into shape you will be calling her over. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Adan you also have to hit Front Squats as well.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I do squat all the time...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

(tasteless thought coming, pre-apologizing to megskin, sfskin, and other female blogettes for this one)... good thing Carrie Underwood is a nice shoulder and set of pillows to cry on.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | January 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone watching the Sports Reports?

One of the guys (forgot his dumb ass name) stated is there any feel good story other then Romo?

How about the Saints you ass!! Smack in the back of the head with the hammer.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

jm220 - thanks for the tips. next question - if my leg workout goals are injury prevention and muscular endurance first, then strength gains (really don't want to lose what little flexibility I have in my legs by overly bulking up my quads/hammies), I should be doing mid/high reps with low/moderate weight and considering things like supersetting, or am I way off base here?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | January 7, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

What a sweet ending in Seattle! The next best thing to winning the Super Bowl as a Redskins fan is watching the 'Boys implode!!! They redeemed our season.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | January 7, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Montana, they still have speed limits out there?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

You I should start charging you guys. lol
Maybe I will do a workout guest blog for you guys.

Light weight and high reps is what you want. Make sure you do a lot of stretching. Even on days you don't do legs and that will keep you flexable. Each week make sure you hit a different part of the leg muscle. (example one week do squats, next week front squats, the week after that leg press) As I informed Lisa you want to hit every angle of the muscle.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I hit every angle of the Bacardi last night. My blood is now 80 proof. Need to eat me a PB&J before I pass out...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

MV just know you will be paying the pipper my friend. When will you be in the dirty jerz? So I can make sure to mark it and have your work out program ready. lol

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I am heading to Toronto...my plane leaves at 1:30. Taking a lap top so I may be able to check in later.

All: I'm pretty sure Romo got some good lovin' last night. (Yes, I said it!) We southern (BAMA) women are nurturers.

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think I'm gonna go to Toronto with Lisa. May never get to the dirty jerz ever again. :D

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

All: I'm pretty sure Romo got some good lovin' last night. (Yes, I said it!)

LMAO!!!!! Now I really have a blog crush on Lisa.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, where in 'Bama you from? I had a girlfriend from Huntsville once...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy, wasn't it a six-month pledge? Get your story straight! The loss hurts, the hangover hurts, but what hurts more than anything? Turning 39 today. OOF!

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Smack my man. LMAO! I know it hurts my friend. HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday, SMACK. Entering the 40th year of your life...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday old man. HOW ABOUT THEM COWBOYS!!! OK that's it for me. Since you are not Boofer I will leave it at that.

Posted by: jm220 | January 7, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Montana,
Schadenfreud is no replacement for achievement. There were a few years where going 2-14 would've been okay, as long as the two wins were against Dallas, but last season [have to call it that now, eh?] could only be redeeemed by our performance.

I do think that we are still paying some sort of cosmic penance for hiring the enemy to be our head coach. One, because he was the enemy, and two, because he was no head coach. I just hope it's not 21 years of bad luck...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks folks. I guess getting older beats the alternative. Let's get one thing straight. The Dallas loss does not redeem your dreadful season. The Skins still suck just as bad as they did on Friday. Schadenfreude will not get you to the playoffs. Pathetic!

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Hey cload, that is hilarious, I didn't read your message before posting mine. I was on dictionary.com trying to find out how to spell "schadenfreude" correctly.

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Schadenfreude still feels good...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

MV, I was born in Montgomery, AL.

SMACK, Happy Birthday!

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You get extra credit for spelling it correctly. But it may well be one of the best words in the english language!
Which does fairly indict the english language...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Well, as long as the Jets lose, the Cowboys' season is a success.

See how stupid that sounds?

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

So if Parcells leaves Dallas and Coughlin gets fired, does Parcells head to NY?

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Lisa, it's the next one I'm worried about. I may be an uneducated Cowboys fan, but even I know what 39 + 1 equals.

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

SMACK,

Men only get better with age....women...not so much....

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Montgomery, AL. Birthplace of Nat King Cole and Bart Starr...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Folks, this is now officially our biggest thread ever at 603 comments. Lisa you put us over the top. Any takers on getting this thing to 700 before JLC's next post goes up around 12:00-1:00?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The Gardner, Rod thread from a couple days ago was 69 pages long and this one is only 63...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, stop listening to Cosmo! Those magazines are poison. I wouldn't mind a 39 year old birthday present about now. Yes young women are pretty, but they generally have no idea what I'm talking about.

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Lots of good things come from Alabama :-)

OK, guys & gals, I'm off to the airport. Hope to check in later.

Never thought I would say this but: Go Eagles....

Posted by: Lisa | January 7, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Some older women are pretty, too...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

No benefit to emphasize quantity over quality.

But if we can get 99 posts on how exactly Norv Turner, the Manchurian Coach, destroyed a once-proud franchise, then I'm all for it.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Norval Redskinbotcher?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree, cload, but are you saying these aren't quality posts?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Here's a funny and true story, maybe it will help us get to 69 pages. I just wanted to say 69 anyway. It's my birthday I can babble on and on right. So one of the times I went to Dallas (yes, I am a real big true longtime forever fan) I was drinking at a bar, and who is drinking next to me but Mark Moseley. That straight on kicking, Cowboy killing bastard. He had a real bad gerry-curl kinda thing going, and I wouldn't have known it was him if he wasn't telling FG-related stories. He was there with three friends, no idea why. So I got him to sign a $5, it was all I had this side of a wet cocktail napkin. I held on to if for a long time, but eventually I spent it at the A-1 Chinese buffet on East-West Highway. Thanks for listening.

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Oh, where or where is Boofer today? Man, his boy Romo could have used one of his boohoo boxes last night. And to think, if the Cowboys hadn't blown that game against the Skins, they would have won the NFC East and been playing at home. That is a little consolation for me for a miserable Skins season!

Posted by: BooferSux | January 7, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

BooferSux, thanks, another one for the petty little victory file. Again I say, pathetic.

Posted by: SMACK | January 7, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Quality good so far, but I've seen the posts like

...17,969 ...

and that just ain't cuttin' it.

Even this one doesn't have the feel of a real post...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm delirious or something, but that was hysterical, SMACK! I don't quite know why it's so funny to me...

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I definitely feel you on that. Do we need to bring back the panties and jockstraps theme to liven up such posts? Does telling someone how funny their previous post was count as a quality post itself? Should I go into all-out haiku mode to get the poetry factor going?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Haiku is always okay, since the form dictates the content.

Irish Haiku is also okay, and a bit easier.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is Irish Haiku?

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

>>> "P Diddy, wasn't it a six-month pledge"

Actually, yes. But after thinking about it, I decided to extend it up to my best friend's wedding, nine months from now.

It's all moot now :-)

However, even though I broke down with 1 (maybe 2, depending on if you count a "taste" of a new tequila as a shot), I'm still on a hardcore not-drinking-heavily thing.

Funny thing, though. I was 100 times more klutzy, forgetful, and silly while I was sober. I kept knocking over stools, breaking glasses, tripping, etc. Really weird.

Never heard of Irish Haiku...is that a different form, or just 5-7-5 in Irish?

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Alcohol. It does a body good.

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the game again on TiVo and I still can't believe how badly the Cowboys imploded. Ugh.

Also, when the game is important and close, John Madden is awesome. Everyone knows how irritating he is once the game gets out of hand, but he was pretty good last night. And Al Michaels is the best in the business.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

An Irish Haiku:

There once was a ball team in Dallas
Whose wideout was a real jackass
he spit on his foes
dropped balls on his toes
and generally missed catching passes.

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Well well well...c'mon where are all the Cowboys fans that ran their mouth on here now.

First off...tough one for Romo. The guy is still a player in my book. That's tough.

In the end the Cowboys achived as much as the Skins...NO SUPER BOWL. No no no none of this "but we made the playoffs and you didn't." Even if you make them and get eliminated it still amounts to nothing.

However, that doesn't mean the Skins don't still have their issues. Believe they do.

Either way...hell of a game. That sucks to lose that way too. Only in the playoffs to plays like that and then that whacky safety occur. Gotta love the playoffs.

HAIL

Posted by: Jonathan | January 7, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Limerick" makes it sound like a vaguely drunken joke; "Irish Haiku" sounds so much more classy...

Posted by: cload and daggar | January 7, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So an "Irish Haiku" is a limerick? That's cute. :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Who do you root for in Giants/Eagles? I'm personally rooting for the ol' "Earth Opens Up and Swallows Both Teams Whole" play.

Posted by: P Diddy | January 7, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Please see my true
Bit of haiku
New post
From host
On here I'm through

Posted by: MV Dame | January 7, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame:

Yup; unfortunately they went back to 75 mph on the interstate; 70 mph on the 2-lanes. It was a hell of a lot more exciting when the limit was "reasonable and prudent".

And I'm still elated that the 'Boys self-destructed. I don't care how bad I'm supposed to feel for thinking that. At least I'm secure enough to admit it openly. Since Gibbs and company don't plan to leave anytime soon, I have to get my jollies watching our enemies do themselves in with friendly fire...

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | January 7, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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