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Marty Weighs In

It's okay, you can admit it. When the Clinton Portis-Jim Zorn thing flared up, your first thought was, "Hmmmm, I wonder what Marty Schottenheimer thinks." (Well, one of you did and you know who you are.)

Today, on the "The Red Zone" on SIRIUS NFL Radio, he talked about the matter; this transcript comes courtesy of Sirius.

Host Bruce Murray: "Tell me what you think is going on in Washington, what role [owner] Dan Snyder may play in this thing and, as a head coach, how you handle it?"
Schottenheimer: "Dan may have an opinion on it but I don't think it'll go beyond that. This is clearly another example that we see in our league from time to time and 'it's all about me.' It's all about the player. You don't hear him talk about the team. You don't hear him talk about winning football games. All you hear him talk about is 'me,' him, and that is characteristic of some guys in this league. I think that has been part of the way he's been since he's been in the league. There's a reason you get upset but if you stop and think about it, the team is the only thing that's important and if you fail to recognize that then you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
Murray: "How would you handle it as a head coach and is it handled differently by a head coach that has earned his stripes in this league, like yourself, who may have been around for 10 years or is it a greater challenge for Jim Zorn who is a rookie head coach and has to deal with a superstar? How does that change the dynamic?"
Schottenheimer: "Well, I think it may be a little bit different for the younger coach, the guy that has not been involved in that position, because all the players on the team are looking to see how this situation gets managed. And my feeling has always been, you have to take a strong position as the coach because ultimately, if you fail to do that, then you're giving credibility to what, first of all, the player has had to say and, more importantly, you're giving the other players a sense of, 'Well, if I get in that situation then I can go ahead and say whatever I want.' And the point I made earlier is the key in this thing. It needs to be about the team, not about 'me.'"

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Comments

hottenScheimer

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse


mountainclimber

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

roadside dinner

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"I say some people are good at revisionist history......

Posted by: DaReal4th"

Is it okay to be inept, as long as what you did didn't look inept at the time?

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Frankenstiener

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Marty is clueless. He is out of work for a reason. Portis was right to speak his mind - Zorn shows no accountability and throws his players under the bus. Something Gibbs NEVER did. That's why he was a winner and commanded the respect of his team. We can only hope Zorn figures this out sooner than later.

Posted by: kdog11 | December 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"so its no different that someone here saying that it's not big loss then right?"

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Nope, no different, so long as the opinion is football-based, not Jasno-based.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

This transcript tells me Schotty didn't read or hear the whole interview..............

Also, Adrian Peterson is every as bit selfish as CP. This post is pointless and is from a bias POV......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

hard rock miner

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

After that totally predictable analysis, I can see why he got canned after going 14-2 in San Diego.

I guess it never occurred to Marty "The Post Season Is Really One Of Dante's Levels Of Hell" Schottenheimer, that Portis wanted to be on the field in the second half to WIN, to help the TEAM.

Portis not being on the field took our chances of coming back trailing 14-0 from slim all the way down to none.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 11, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

(Chanelling in my eternal Marty)....

There's a gleam men. A Gleam...

And Clinton Portis has the gleam...

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

One thing that's been bugging me. Every keeps saying Zorn is a rookie HC. Yes, its true.

But Jim Zorn was a starting NFL QB in 1976. Mike Tomlin, the Steelers HC, was 4 years old at the time!

Zorn may be a rookie coach, but he's 55, lived a lot of life and should know how to handle players. He's been around football longer than most of the coaches out there. He has two extraordinary veteran coaches on his staff in Greg Blache and Joe Bugel (a former HC himself).

Do I expect Zorn to make 'rookie' mistakes. Yes. But should I also expect him to make a lot less 'rookie' mistakes than most coaches? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. YES!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree w Sellars...had him on list but took him off at last second. I think we could develop him into a B Jacobs type bulldozer next season.

Rogers (drops too many INT's) but coverage wise played at high level

Horton made good impact as 7th rounder but still needs work (def candidate for D ROY)

Posted by: forever21 | December 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I love Sellers, think he is a beast. But IMHO he will not make a great running back like Jacobs. He can overpower people as a blocker, but he doesn't have the nimbleness to keep running when hit. I think he trips and falls too often to be a full-time RB.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

reposted.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

4th, as far as your title shot, goes, that was mine for the taking.

Of course, Zornskins has got a poor QB matchup this week and his hot RB got hurt. But dang, Forrest had to be both very good and very lucky to beat me. Losing with a 116 points ... and I coulda had about 25 more points with about 10 more yards spread around right.

But FF is that combination of skill and luck designed to leave 15 people to wonder how it all went so wrong ... and 1 person to gloat

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Sellers is excellent as a surprise back. If he were ever a full-time runner, teams would strip him of the ball way too easily. He holds the ball worse than Tiki Barber in his early years.

Posted by: psps23 | December 11, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Sellers is also 33 yrs old.....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

fredie, about the video...it was a sex video she made...but some company bought the rights to it so i doubt you can find it for free without bit torent(?)

okay...marty is right zorn needed to come back strong against portis. i'm on portis' side but if zorn does not bench him in the next game then he won't get any respect from his players.

also was thinking i wish portis had kept his mouth shut because now the focus is on zorny vs. portis instead of the ineptitude of zorny. zorny should thank portis for that.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 11, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

f-Arty Marty went to a party ...

and everyone went out for air.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

_Stumped_1

How about

Nice recliner
Good One Liner
Nothin finer
A Bull in China ( Southern Accent works)

Posted by: Berndaddy | December 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Think Sally Jenkins is closer to the truth. Even Joe Gibbs did not have complete say ... he had veto power that's for sure ... but like everything else you have to compromise and given in every once in awhile to make Vinnie feel like he was productive ... even though he was a complete waste of space.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn inherited a team with two coaches in Blache and Bugel with superb histories and tremendous experience. His roster included strong leaders like London Fletcher and Chris Samuels.

Zorn has started in the NFL in 1976, 32 years ago. He has spent several years in Seattle under Mike Holmgren, a very successful coach (11th in wins all-time) and a former Super Bowl winner.

Zorn is a rookie HC. But Zorn isn't young or inexperienced.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice daddy.
How about...

Coach Bit@chundwhiner

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

But Zorn doesn't have the same input that other coaches have. He has a "hands on owner" and a faux general manager ... in fact the owner is so "hands on" no one is allowed to have the title: general manager.

This is not like Seattle where Microsoft founder Paul Allen owns the team but does not manage it. This is Danny land ... very much like Michael Jackson's "Fantasia" Neverland ranch. He runs it anyway he sees fit.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Is Bruce Murry related to Bill.
There's an interview I'd like to see:
Bill Murry interviewing Marty Bit@chundwhiner.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 11, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrencenheimer

Posted by: Masonman | December 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

peri -- my point is that Zorn is getting excused to some extent because he is a rookie HC.

Marty commented on that here, but he's just one of many who see Zorn as a 'rookie'. Its technically true, but he has a ton of experience, coaches with a ton of experience and numerous quality veteran players.

Experience-wise, we're not talking Lane Kiffin and the Raiders here.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

You've heard of the New England Patriots right?? They've been to the super bowl a few times recently right, have had a ton of HOME PLAYOFF GAMES in the past few years?? What was their offense predicated on again?? I'd also venture to guess that playing outdoors, in both December and January, at NO POINT IN TIME did their passing game suffer.


Your thoughts....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

Where to start?

1. They aren't in the NFC East.

2. Until last Superbowl, when their offensive line was thoroughly manhandled by the NFC East's NY Giants D-line, they've always had a dominent OLine.

2a They can pass in the snow precisely because they can RUN in the snow> Joe Gibbs, 1.0 didn't run a WCO and had a superb running game AND passing attack.

3. Get me Tom Brady and we'll talk. You've heard of Tom Brady, haven't you?

4. Until this year, their division has pretty much sucked. If they had to play 2 games a year with Dallas Philly and the Giants, instead of Miami, the Bills and the Jets, the results might have been different.

5. They have a great owner, GM and coach.

6. They run a Bill Belichick Offense, not a WCO.

7. They cheat.

8. They draft brilliantly.

9. The Superbowl is never played in snow. But you gotta get to it.

10. The last drive the Ravens ran was classic NFC East, Joe Gibbs 1.0 football. After their line wore you down, they ran at you, eating up the clock, sucking the life out of you. Then, when you were DETERMINED to stop the run, he'd go up top to a Smurf, or Monk, and put it away.


Posted by: TheCork | December 11, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

w"hich means it can and will be cold as hell many weekends in December when runs work and passing doesn't"

You said that passing doesn't work in December, I presented you with the Pats, who passed their way to 3 Super Bowls. Try and stick to the facts. They passed in December, and in January, in snow, and in the cold, and guess what it worked. They pass more than they run, and why is that, because its a passing league now.

All that other crap you wrote, was nothing related to the subject matter.

Get over Gibbs 1.0. Get over thinking that the NFC East is all about running the balls, because it is not.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Never really understood the "have to do it THIS way because we are in the ____ division" theory.

You do what works for you. It's up to the other team to stop it...if they can't, whether it be passing or running, that's all that matters.

Dallas is NOT a "bully" team..in fact, I'd call them softer than most teams in the league. Still, they have a lot of talent, and last year won the division.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Just think if Schottenheimer was not replaced back in 2002; the "what if's"
would've have been better results than
the current situation. I believe Schottenheimer would have turned our
defense into something to be proud of.

Posted by: madalao | December 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

After reading these previous untalked about comments, I am firmly in the Anti-Zorn camp...

Zorn = Bush (They never admitthere mistakes)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/12/zorn_means_never_having_to_say.html?hpid=news-col-blog

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

shaun, couldn't agree more.

We have to be a running team because we're in the NFC East. Where does it say that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

John Madden dingle Schottenheimer Schmidt
His name is my name too.
Whenever we go long, the people want to shout,
John Madden da-mn-ed dropped-the-ball Schottenheimer Schmidt ..

La La La La La La La La

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Highlights from THeBog Entry:

"I'm no veteran sportswriter--heck, I'm no sportswriter--but I've never encountered another coach who was so unwilling to fudge just a little bit in the interest of political correctness. Sometimes he misunderstands a question, and sometimes he doesn't want to answer a question, but once he starts, the truth--as he sees it--pours out.

So anyhow, the strong-willed Portis at least nodded in the direction of "my bad" to the media yesterday, saying "we talked about what our conversation should have been, and realized it was a situation that we let go too far." And right at the end of his post-practice remarks yesterday, Zorn had an easy opening to do the same. A reporter asked whether it was true that he had showed some contrition in his remarks to the team, and whether it was true that both men had said things better left private.

"Uhhh," Zorn said. "I'm trying to think of what I would say that I didn't feel really good about."

He paused.

"I can't think of anything," he concluded.


It was a "Whoa!" moment. It was violent, sudden, wicked and every other Zorn adjective, times 20. It was Zorn saying that the truth of his words was more important than some sort of nuanced sound bite for the cameras.

"

ZORN IS BUSH. Quit it. Just quit it....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe Schottenheimer would have turned our defense into something to be proud of.

Posted by: madalao | December 11, 2008 4:59 PM

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Our defense was ranked third in the NFL last week. Can't we be proud of that?

Marty's problem was a weak offense. Snyder wanted him to change O Coordinators. He wouldn't do it, so off he went.

Personally, I'm not a big Marty fan, and I don't care much for what he did with the 'Skins. Ran off some pretty good people, like Russ Grimm. Didn't he also get rid of B. Mitchell and James Thrash?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Earth to Wilbon : dot-dash-dot-dot-dot-dash

Dude, this is the Washington Redskins not the Chicago Bears. After Gibbs 1.0 and the turn of this century every single linemen the Redskins drafted pretty much flopped, whether in the first round or the last. Only exceptions are Samuels, Jansen and the two guys starting at DT right now along with Griffin. They have drafted far better at defensive back.

But even that is moot as long as Vinnie Cerrato and Danny are running the show. Again this ain't da Bears.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

We have to be a running team because we're in the NFC East. Where does it say that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 11, 2008 5:00 PM

Greg - Show us where we are wrong? Find a team. Find an era to prove our theory wrong.

WCO is for the birds....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 11, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn expects players to do their job, and go to him if they have a problem.

Yeah, he should grovel for mercy before Saint Clinton....


Some fans here have WAY canonized that guy. Again:

He's just a running back.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Zorn may not be politically correct. But I agree with his appraisal of the situation and the logic behind his choice.

But yes he could have used more tact and diplomacy. But he was a starting QB in the NFL for 10 or so years. Something even CP must respect. And I suppose that is why he talks the way he does. He's been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

Coach speak ... and to a greater extent ... Redskins coach speak will come very hard for him. As it does for Mssr. Michael Singletary ...
No meis amis?

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

> He's just a running back.

And not yet the best the Redskins ever had. Probably never will be.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles, who dominated this division with little to no running game for years.

Didn't have to go back far.

...let's try this a different way. Do you really think, that if the San Francisco 49ers of the Joe Montana/Jerry Rice era had played in this division, they could not have been successful because their primary weapon was their passing attack?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ZORN IS BUSH. Quit it. Just quit it....

Posted by: DaReal4th

Zorn (who does not tell lies even when he should) is like Bush (who....)?

Zorn is like Bush the same as you are like a Nobel prize winner.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles, who dominated this division with little to no running game for years.

Didn't have to go back far.

...let's try this a different way. Do you really think, that if the San Francisco 49ers of the Joe Montana/Jerry Rice era had played in this division, they could not have been successful because their primary weapon was their passing attack?

Posted by: shaunsherman12

I do remember the 49ers not making it past the playoffs when they had to play their playoff game against Green Bay in the cold. As long as the 49ers kept home field advantage they did very well.

Posted by: driley | December 11, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The 49ers won numerous games...everywhere.

I just don't buy you have to build a specific team based on your division.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 11, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

the 49ers were tough everywhere. You don't get 5 rings without being really good.

That said, their west coast offense featured some very good RBs. Roger Craig and Ricky Watters were both good runners AND good receivers. Art Monk had 91 catches in 1985, second in the league to Roger Craig. Watters caught 3 TDs from Steve Young in the Super Bowl.

Walsh used 2 WRs and a blocking fullback. Best known was Tom Rathman.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

There is a philosophy that many have that you need to build your team around your division. It makes sense, since 6 games a year are in the division.

Madden has said that he would target the team in the division that you think you need to beat in order to win the division.

Its narrow thinking, but the upside is it does focus the organization.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

ZORN IS BUSH?

Bush returned a kick for a TD against us. Zorn put in Moss who returned a kick for a TD for us. ZORN IS BUSH. OK, I'm good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

TO is up to his old tricks again. Now he's trying to split the lockerroom in Dallas.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 11, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Also, Adrian Peterson is every as bit selfish as CP. This post is pointless and is from a bias POV......

Posted by: DaReal4th

And you aren't biased at all are you?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I'm not a big Marty fan, and I don't care much for what he did with the 'Skins. Ran off some pretty good people, like Russ Grimm. Didn't he also get rid of B. Mitchell and James Thrash?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 5:05 PM

I think this team would be MUCH better off if Marty "There's a Gleam" Schottenheimer was still here. I'd even bet we'd have a Super Bowl by now. And for the record, I think Grimm's contract was up when he left and went to Pittsburgh (where he's from and played his college ball, I believe), Brian Mitchell was dumped to make way for Pee-on Deion the year before Marty got here, James Thrash left as a free agent after the 2000 season, but was guilty for cutting Larry Centers for something petty like disagreeing over how he would rehab an injury. The only gripe I had with Marty was that he ran Stephen Davis into the ground early in that season and he was never quite the same (at least not in burgundy and gold).

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 11, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I knew the blog titled "Portis v. Zorn: The Last Word" wasnt really the last word.

Posted by: erleach | December 11, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Re: the 2008 draft...

Vinny was asked about the Skins not taking an O lineman or defensive players and instead going the WR/TE route.

Vinny said there were several O lineman they wanted and planned to take at #21 but they were already selected. He said they would also have drafted Jerod Mayo (linebacker) but he was also taken. Said they were not going to move up for any reason, the players on the lines they wanted were taken, so they went to their next need...tall WRs.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 11, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I think this team would be MUCH better off if Marty "There's a Gleam" Schottenheimer was still here. I'd even bet we'd have a Super Bowl by now.

Put down the drink my friend. He couldn't win one playoff game with a powerful Chargers team that was 12-4.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 11, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I think this team would be MUCH better off if Marty "There's a Gleam" Schottenheimer was still here. I'd even bet we'd have a Super Bowl by now. And for the record, I think Grimm's contract was up when he left and went to Pittsburgh (where he's from and played his college ball, I believe), Brian Mitchell was dumped to make way for Pee-on Deion the year before Marty got here, James Thrash left as a free agent after the 2000 season, but was guilty for cutting Larry Centers for something petty like disagreeing over how he would rehab an injury. The only gripe I had with Marty was that he ran Stephen Davis into the ground early in that season and he was never quite the same (at least not in burgundy and gold).

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 11, 2008 7:02 PM

I agree. This team would have won a Super Bowl with Marty at the helm. He had this team turned around after a 0-5 start (finished 8-8), then got fired so Danny Boy could bring in a guy that set the organization back many years.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | December 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought players won playoff games; not coaches.

Posted by: richie_sheppard | December 11, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Just did a bit of research on Thursday night games. Always thought it was a big advantage to host a Thursday Night game. Recall it was a Thursday night home game that was the first of the 4 straight wins we had to close the year.

Both teams have a short week, but its harder on the guys that need to travel. After the game, both teams then get extended rest for the next game.

Home teams have a 5-3 record on Thursday.
They have a 5-2 record the following week.

Visiting teams have a 5-2 record for the game following the Thursday night game (including upsets like the Jets win over Tenn and Denver over ATL ... even Det came very close to an upset over Minn).

Just a small sample, but it does seem to suggest the extra prep/rest between games does make a noticeable difference

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

fredie, about the video...it was a sex video she made...but some company bought the rights to it so i doubt you can find it for free without bit torent(?)

I have absolutely no interest in a sex video. But I do have "little bitty torrence". Would that help me? I have no interest in this video. But just in case, if you know what I mean, such as...

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Marty had his flaws, notably wanting to make all his relatives coaches, but he could coach. His playoff record isn't good. He did lose to good teams in some spirit crushing ways that you can't blame Marty for. Ask Earnest Byner. And wasn't it Brady that threw the pick vs SD, only to get it back on the same play when the DB fumbled it instead of just going down.

Getting rid of Marty, a proven winner whose teams regularly competed with the best in football, yeah, that was a major mistake.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 11, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Marty "the ream gleam" Schottenheimer hired his brother to be defensive coordinator, then hired some schlub to coach offense who made Joe Gibb's supposed 1991 conservative offense look like Steve Spurrier's. It as the bad ... how quickly we forget? He had no QB, he picked the wrong wide receiver in the 1st round, he did pick Patrick Ramsay.

Nuff said.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

*FF

Zeke, I have decided better to lose with Kyle Orton than win with Tony Romo - this is a Redskins FFL after all.

Forrest is definitely peaking at the right time. Meanwhile, how quickly Peyton Hillis was taken from us (me)...

**end FF

Posted by: zornskins2 | December 11, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

ON Zorn: let's wait and see what he comes up with for the last 3 games. His OL now features backups at both tackle positions. Should be interesting.

Posted by: periculum | December 11, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

re: the video

yeah I have seen it, man up people. Typically Kardashian is more my type than Paris....but after compare/contrasting their videos....Paris is way hotter. Kardasian is a complete dead fish. I mean dullsville, while Paris throws some gusto and showwomanship into it. I am pro effort.

Victory on rich girl celebrity sex tapes: Paris

Posted by: chrislarry | December 11, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

periculum are you ever right? Marty was a mixed bag, but should not have been canned. Whateves on that. But lets chew on what you stated:

"hired his brother to be defensive coordinator"

True, but he was pretty good. So good the skins wanted to keep him post Marty. He got more out of Lavar than any D-Cord we ever had. Our no name Def lead the charge to 8-8. Defense that year wasnt on any problem list.

"made Joe Gibb's supposed 1991 conservative offense look like Steve Spurrier's"

Name one person that called the 91/92 version of Gibbs offense conservative...3 wide and an allpurpose back. The posse era. Setting league records for offense. Blueprint for the offenses that the greatest show on turf was based on....

"He had no QB"

The dude inherited Jeff George who he siht canned after 3 weeks. Something all skins fans should have never ending gratitude to him for. Than he took Tony Banks off the street and got the guy to post a winning record and salvage the season. Not really a situation of his making.

"he did pick Patrick Ramsay."

No he didn't. Spurrier and some unholy allaiance of returning Vinny and Pepper Rogers did. Ramsey was picked the year after Spurrier.

C'mon man try a little huh?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 11, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Man, I hate when I miss the first play...and it's a touchdown...for the team I didn't tip.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 11, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I will add this about the Marty year. The second half of that season was one of the gutsyest, funnest, most prideful stretches I have ever seen a skins team play. The way they battled to 8-8 after that start was inspiring. Marty had that team balling. I mean a dude named "Cowsette" was starting on the D-Line. After the Norv years and in hindsite the spurrier debacle. That 10 game stretch was the best "Redskins Brand" football i have ever seen that didn't involve the gibbs name.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Quit knocking on Zorn...Portis should neve come out and questioned him publicly like that.

Since when is it OK to say whatever you want just because you play hard every week? London Fletcher plays hard every week, plays hurt, etc. You don't see him running his mouth do you?

Try doing what CP did to your boss in every other line of work, and you're fired.

This is a pattern for Portis -- he threw the O-Line under the bus before the season started, he made a couple jabs at Gibbs and Saunders, and now this. I love Portis as much as anyone on the team, but shut up and play football, and maybe try not to fumble in the biggest game of the year...

Posted by: mrizzle | December 11, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Man, I hate when I miss the first play...and it's a touchdown...for the team I didn't tip.

Posted by: SMACK1

Don't think it'll matter too much, can't see anyone catching 4-12, he seems to have a knack for tipping!

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

CL, I love that turnaround game against Carolina, the Lavar INT, Gardner, Rod going deep. I've got it on tape.

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Saints D, pick of Orton a few times!

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Are we still fighting about zorntis, or are we talking about the draft this evening?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 11, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Since when is it OK to say whatever you want just because you play hard every week?

Posted by: mrizzle | December 11, 2008 8:27 PM

This cuts both ways. Since when is it alright to say whatever you want just because you coach hard every week?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Saints D, pick of Orton a few times!

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry kost, you nearly called it, but it hit Vilma in a bad spot.

Speaking of bad spots, if Plaxico never plays again, can we say he shot himself in the legacy?

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 11, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a freakin' clown. Seriously, I mentioned this before....WHY DO YOU NTHINK HE WAS GETTING THE YARDS HE WAS GETTING DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON? 1)..the line was playing great, and 2)..he played against quite a few cupcake defenses...Detroit, Cleveland, St Louis, Seattle. Now, I will say, he ran well against Dallas #1, but what did he have in Dallas #2?...15 for 68yds. In Philly #1, he had 29 for 145. I will bet all of your asses he won't have 1/2 of that in Philly #2. There are 10 backs that are better RUNNERS than him in the league...A Peterson, M Turner, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart, M Forte, B Jacobs, Frank Gore, M Lynch, B Westbrook, Chris Johnson....I would rather have ANY of them before his cry-baby, Bart Simpson-looking a@@!!!!

Posted by: po403 | December 11, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Everybody plays some crappy teams, or only Portis? And Portis probably has three to five four times as many carries as any of those guys, aside from maybe Westbrook. So you're saying it's better to have good fresh guys than good beat up guys. Agree to agree.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Er, three to ten, five to eight, two to nine, I couldn't decide.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 11, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S TO THE POINTS

1) Who's the coach Portis or Zorn?

2) Portis works that victim complex like a charm.

3) Gibbs coddled Portis and Snyder was stupid for guarunteeing 16 million to Portis. The damage is done.

4) No way in hell you fire Zorn.

5) Rebuild the O-Line and D-Line.

6) If Portis even breathes wrong again, I think you fine him or suspend him to send a message. If you hired Zorn you have to support him.

7) With a rookie coach comes rookie mistakes

8) This team has to embrace rebuilding.

9) You're telling me you can win a Super Bowl with:

WR- Thrash, ARE, Moss
G- Pete Kendall, Randy Thomas, Jansen (too old)
RB- Portis as the featured back (you'll never win with Portis being the featured back; too predictable, too fragile); need Betts as a change up more often.
DE- Carter and Taylor (Man, PLEASE!!!)

10) Make Campbell compete for his job next year. Competition brings out the best.

11) Put some of the blame on Gibbs...Remember people, he was the President of the Team...Yes, he brought stablilty but sacrificed talent for Christianity and "good character"

SIC OUT

Posted by: rickyroge | December 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

2) Portis works that victim complex like a charm.

I don't think Clinton is faking his injuries.

In fact, we all saw them happen, on our TVs, while he was trying to get us into the end zone.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 11, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

What I mean by "victim" thing is that Portis loves to portray the image that no one believes in him, he's the underdog, nobody gives him a chance. (Nothing wring with playing with a chip)...But portis is an azz!

Posted by: rickyroge | December 11, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Geez....it's almost Friday and you guys are STILL talking about the Portis/Zorn incident? That was sooo..Tuesday.

At least we don't have this going on...

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-6-98/Drama-in-Dallas--T-O--s-secret-meeting.html

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I hope you all saw the brilliant return of 3 yards Leigh Torrence made on an in incomplete pass on a fake punt by Chicago. It completely turned around the complexion of the game.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Former Redskins...dominating.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 11, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope you all saw the brilliant return of 3 yards Leigh Torrence made on an in incomplete pass on a fake punt by Chicago. It completely turned around the complexion of the game.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 11, 2008 11:05 PM
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The heartbreak of acne will be eliminated in our time, thanks to Leigh Torrence.

P.S. I'm trying to find a youtube of Heartbreak of Psoriasis, by Root Boy Slim. But Denied.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 11, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Why did Orton take a knee there? If they aren't trying for the first down, why not just kick the FG?

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd also made a big play.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 11, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd also made a big play.

Hey, fingertip to wrist, Lloyd has the most talent of any WR Al Saunders had ever seen.

Left ear to right ear, not so much.

Posted by: daggar | December 12, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Interesting point. I've been suggesting the Skins offense has had among the least number of 'short fields' in the league. For simplicity, say a short field is anything where you gt the ball in the other team's territory.

How important is this short field, delivered by special teams, the defense or some combination?

In the game between the Bears and Saints, the teams scored 6 TDs. None came on a drive over 45 yards.

'nuff said

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 12, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Why did Orton take a knee there? If they aren't trying for the first down, why not just kick the FG?

Posted by: kost52 | December 11, 2008 11:41 PM


kost, I worked late, recorded the game, and just finished watching it. Since no one else answered your question, I'll field it.

The ball was placed at the right hash mark, but the Bears wanted to move it to the middle of the field before attempting the FG. So Orton took the snap and then took a knee in the middle of the field, between the hash marks.

Next play, the refs placed the ball in the middle of the field, and the Bears kicked their FG. Gould probably would have made it either way, but sometimes if a team has a play to burn, they'll take a play just to put the ball in the ideal spot for their kicker. Doesn't happen all that often. Usually only at the end of a game in regulation or in OT.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 12, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

F Marty and F the Bears.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 12, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Those of you hating on Marty's poor playoff record aren't breaking any ground here; it's kinda like chiming in once the mean girls make fun of the fat kids. But I remind you that a couple of Marty's proteges (Dungy and Cowher), in addition to Coughlin last year, had the same reputation for getting to the postseason and not winning. All you need is one good run to win it and I think Marty could have done it here if Danny kept his f-ing nose out of the football ops.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 12, 2008 5:45 AM | Report abuse

beep beep good morning move on over and all that
a new post on the game sunday is forthcoming, forthcoming meaning as soon as i pour another cup of java.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 12, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Good morning Brown,

Looks like another day of beating a issue to death.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 12, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

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