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McIntosh, Rogers to Play Saturday

Rocky McIntosh and Carlos Rogers are scheduled to play Saturday against the New York Jets, Jim Zorn told reporters after the morning practice. Both are recovering from reconstructive knee surgery.

By Cindy Boren  |  August 14, 2008; 10:57 AM ET
 
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Far east!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

sweet

Posted by: SAK | August 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

sweet/non-sweet.....still 3 preseasons...why not sit them one more?

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jaymaner21342342 | August 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jaymaner21342342 | August 14, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

and then i get a text message

Posted by: SAK | August 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

sweet/non-sweet.....still 3 preseasons...why not sit them one more?

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 14, 2008 11:05 AM

Precisely, if there are any set backs, then there is more time to be ready for the regular season.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This is one time that I wish Zorn was pulling a Vinny and not telling the truth about Rocky and Rogers. There is no need to rush them at this point.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Look, they are out there, and we are not. i have to trust they are doing what is best. They need some live action, so be it. If they pull up lame again, then waiver wires will be loaded on cut down days. these are our two weakest depth positions.

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I see Curz's point, but we have to let them get some reps eventually to test them knees.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 14, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Yep, sak. The news goes here first, then it goes mobile and then it goes to twitter.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

6rdteenthst!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Ms. Ballsonchin | August 14, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather see Roger's drop a ball, get burnt on a double move NOW than during the regular season game against the Giants.

Posted by: Chris | August 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna cross my fingers on this one. Man I hope they don't get hurt. Like Zebra said those are our two weakest depth spots.

Posted by: Earl Sugarloaf III | August 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The only reason I can see playing them some this week is because the following game is when the starters play most of the 1st half if not all and Zorn/Blache wants to work them in slowly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone catch Rogers interview on CSN last night? He swears he's been in playing shape for a while and has been frustrated that he hasn't been playing yet, but understands the caution with which the coaches are easing him in.

Sounds to me like he's ready to go.

Posted by: RambleOn | August 14, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Thats what Pre-Season is for, working out kinks and testing stuff. And an excuse to ignore our GF/BF's and wives/husbands.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

This is some great news. They should just play them 3-4 plays and then pull them. The coaches been really good in bring these guys back so I am going to trust they are not going to give them too much work.

Posted by: jm220 | August 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

IMO, if Rocky misses significant time again, they should cut him and their losses. They knew he had a bum knee (so did every other team) when they traded up for him and didn't have to. If Kelly continues to have injury problems, it will be the same situation. Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Thought on if we should have em play but maybe try and play them later in the game against No 2's or 3's? Does that help them or hurt them?

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

creativefunk, aptly titled...

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Once again, someone from the GM mold of 'stupid is as stupid does.'

Sure, cut your loses because LB is loaded on this team and there are tons of starting weakside linebackers on the streets!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board

Then there is me....

Posted by: Tom Brady | August 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

WOW! I am happy that you are not our GM.

Posted by: jm220 | August 14, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

sweet/non-sweet.....still 3 preseasons...why not sit them one more?

Posted by: chris LARRY | August 14, 2008 11:05 AM

Precisely, if there are any set backs, then there is more time to be ready for the regular season.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:08 AM

Do the Redskins have trainers and doctors who look at these guys and advise on when they can play? I don't know about you guys but, personally, I feel much more confident sitting here behind my computer and second-guessing the so-called geniuses out a Redskins Park.

Posted by: Motivator | August 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

WOW WHAT AN AWFUL IDEA

jeeze


stupid

What happened to "We're gonna give them an extra week from when they are 100%"???

Oh that just goes out the window?

Great, RockyMac and Rogers could set themselves back even further and it could be avoided with an extra week.


:(

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

... I do love the Portland summertime. A few hot hours in the afternoon, absurdly low humidity, and cool breezy evenings and mornings. Absolutely love it. Not missing DC/VA summers one tiny bit.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 12:30 AM

Got it ... not a fairweather fan, but rather a fan of fair weather.

I do not like what I'm hearing about ARE having a stomped wrist. I attribute Santana Moss' production fall off (including dropped passes in both hands) last season to a bad wrist (unannounced by the team, but clearly taped and re-taped between series). Also don't like that bit about Fred Davis not catching and holding onto passes. At least ONE of those second round guys needs to be a gamer ... I won't cry if they dispense with any of those second rounders who don't pan out ... the team held out hope for Taylor Jacobs for WAY too long ... they should have moved more quickly to get him out of here ... so we could "enjoy" the work product of Mike Rumph that much sooner.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I said if he misses "significant" time, as in a good portion of the season. Khary Campbell has looked good, and has been available to play. I'm just saying it's something they should consider come next season. I love Rocky when he's healthy, but the knee is never going to get to 100%.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

and yeah, let's cut RockyMac! What a GENIUS idea!

Wow!!

Posted by: The Truth in 1st person | August 14, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I dont think we should necessarily cut rocky if he can't stay healthy after this season. His salary is negligable and he could be a great backup LB/ST player. The less he plays, the less likely to be injured he will be. I definitely think linebacker is a position we will need to address in this coming off-season. Rockys injury aside, this may be Washingtons last season here. I think we're fine at MLB with Fletcher for another year and then Blades can take over but we need to get 1-2 STARTING OLBs. I think our defensive backfield is fine, assuming rogers recovers and returns to form. DE is not really a concern but not an immediate one if Taylor plays another year after this one and James can stay healthy. I think we still need a big DT as well.

Anyway, i see our needs going into next offseason as being LB and DT. After that, it needs to be BPA. We are finally a team with good depth throughout most of our roster.

Right now, LB is the only concern I have about our team. Hopefully Rocky can stay healthy this year. If he does, we're in for a good year.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Though I'm willing to whack underperforming second round receivers early, I strongly disagree re: RockyMac. The guy showed up to play last year. Before he got hurt, he was having a tremendous season.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Zorn indicated in his presser yesterday (on CSN) that if Rocky plays (he was not committing to it)it will be limited. I do not expect to see either of them in for very long.

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

IMO, if Rocky misses significant time again, they should cut him and their losses. They knew he had a bum knee (so did every other team) when they traded up for him and didn't have to. If Kelly continues to have injury problems, it will be the same situation. Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Dude, are you serious with this? The guy was beast when he was in the lineup last year, he just got banged up. And I'm pretty sure the knee he hurt wasn't the one that was deemed "bum". Besides, he's got a low cap number and the team is thin at LB. Worst case scenario, he's a good depth player that goes bye-bye after his contract is up. This team has done FAR worse with a second round pick (see Jacobs, Taylor).

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 14, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

but the knee is never going to get to 100%.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:35 AM

This is of course because of 'our' sources at 'skins park and around the nfl - those that have said this opinion to our beloved beat writer?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

MacIntosh's salary is not negligible ... he was a second round pick ... also, Marcus is here for the duration of his contract (through the end of NEXT season), and I'm guessing he's likely to be extended if (1) they need to make a mid-season signing requiring cap room and (2) the Skins figure out how they want to sail through the potentially uncapped year.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Why not wait til next week? Or the week after that? Or the week after that? Why even risk them playing at all this season? The last thing we want is a setback. Best way to avoid it all together is to never let them play again.

These guys need to be broken in at some point. As someone who has been through this surgery before, if they're out there practicing at full speed, then that means they're healthy. This isn't like a pulled muscle that has setbacks. They aren't rehabbing anymore. They're practicing. Regaining fitness and regaining form are the next steps in the progression. And regaining form takes a while. They need as much time as they can to get themselves acclimated to game speed again. This is smart, given the doctor's clearances.

Posted by: psps23 | August 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't see us kicking Washington to the curb for another few years, guys probaby got 3-4 years left in the tank and is a vet LB which is valueable. Do we need to address the position, yes, but we do with near all our positions.

We need to draft high (day 1 draft picks) at G,T,C,DE,DT,CB,LB and S in the next two years. Unless we do a traid back two years in a row some of that must come from FA.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

brown, it may not be the same knee, but each knee has now been surgically repaired.

I am not a knee-jerk reaction type person (oh what, you waiting for a pun excuse.. nope... thats all me) for RM52... but if he loses more than 1/2 the season you cant keep paying him that money....

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

psps,

Agreed I am getting sick of all this whinning about injuries, they have to get somekind of game conditioning. They have been practicing full speed for weeks so they are fine.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Jasno reported back in February that McIntosh had a potential degenerative condition in both knees. Even a beast can't reverse that. Perhaps I'm being a bit pessimistic (and over-reacting) in suggesting they look elsewhere, but it seemed that he was getting dinged up a lot before he brought it last season.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Beep* Beep*

Posted by: | August 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

sween, thanks for the reminder -- I knew there was a reason "starting wide receiver wrist injury" rang a bell, but I couldn't remember why. Now I recall how you exposed the secret wrist booboo of Santana's.

Here's to Rocky coming back and making us proud...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

creative, no, you are right... 2 seasons neither of them full seasons. He was held back his rook season, but that was grilliams being a nut vs injury... but he did miss games because of a wrist I think.

I know everyone gets knocked, but if you are in the league 3 years, and more than 1/2 the time you cant play b/c of injury... you are gone. It is that simple./

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Gotta disagree on Marcus, Sween. I'd be shocked if he's back next year, but if he has a year like he did in '04 when he made the Pro Bowl, I guess anything can happen. But he's got a big cap number that would cost little to get rid of when the Skins are looking for cap relief going into '09, and he's on the wrong side of 30. That's why I would have liked to see them bolster their LB depth in this year's draft because the age of their starting LBs (or health in Rocky's case) makes this a position that could get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the schedule - the one they play real games on in less than a month - and not liking the possibility of losing to New Orleans or Arizona at home. This team better take care of business at home.

Also bothe the blue 'boys and and Redskins have a bye before their Sunday Night FedEx showdown. How Fox will survive with two weeks of no Zornskins and girls; I don't know?

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

McRog nads

Posted by: nads guy | August 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

IMO, if Rocky misses significant time again, they should cut him and their losses. They knew he had a bum knee (so did every other team) when they traded up for him and didn't have to. If Kelly continues to have injury problems, it will be the same situation. Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Shut up

Posted by: Great One | August 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I know everyone gets knocked, but if you are in the league 3 years, and more than 1/2 the time you cant play b/c of injury... you are gone. It is that simple./

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 11:52 AM


Boy I hope Zebra's kidding...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Next two years should be all about drafting for starters not drafting for stars, year three go for the stars.

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Khary Campbell has been with this team for at least 4-5 years. there is a reason he is not a starter and hasnt cracked the starting line up, he couldnt even beat out warrick holdman.

Jeez, RI police please give this dude a drug test

Posted by: Great One | August 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Why brown?

This is his 3rd year. lets say he misses 8 games. he has then been injured more than he has played. Sadly, tough decisions will need to be made.

Now if he misses two or so, fine. great.

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, I'm thinking that the highest salaried guys (if healthy) need to play out the duration of their contracts (including renegotiated ones) in order for the Skins current model of cap management to function ... and Marcus' deal is not up this year. I can't see a team that goes out of its way to un-retire Randall Godfrey cutting a guy that is currently under contract, healthy, and part of the team's on-field identity (i.e., energy levels).

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The Truth asks if there is any place The Truth can find the contracts for all current Redskins players? The Truth is just curious.

Posted by: The Truth | August 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Also, The Truth gets excited everytime The Truth thinks about the NFL opener on Thursday night baby!!


The Truth will be representing in the SC!!

Posted by: The Truth | August 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Shut up

Posted by: Great One | August 14, 2008 11:57 AM

I'm not a flag thrower (hint hint Zebra), but this response seems kind of "ES" to me ... not civil agreement to disagree like what draws peeps in up here.

In other news, I predict that the Jets are going to run alot ... Favre has a "fatigued" arm (as if we don't all have Favre fatigue) and no timing/chemistry wtih his receivers ... should be good to find out about how well we do against the rush ... and provide some opportunities for razzle and dazzle on blitz schemes (i.e., to evaluate the responses of the LB and secondary depth who have to become "first" level).

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Zebra,

You have to give a guy at least 3 years to determine if he's going to be a player or not. Even if Rocky gets hurt again this year, you owe it to yourself to find out in 2009 if the guy can play. If he's hurt again, I'll be the first one to start the chant for his release. But I'm not ready to cut the guy after one injury.

Sween, I get what you're saying about Marcus. But if he has another quiet season on the field, I have a hard time believing he's back next year. Again--if he balls out like he did in '04 and '05, he's likely back. But when you have as many big contracts as this team does, sometimes you have to make some tough calls. And given his age he's only going to get worse, not better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 14, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I have flagged Great One in the past sween for his obtrusive style... but at least it gets his point across.

Maybe a ref's warning, but no need to penalize the whole team for trash talk... ya know..

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Khary Campbell has been with this team for at least 4-5 years. there is a reason he is not a starter and hasnt cracked the starting line up, he couldnt even beat out warrick holdman.

Jeez, RI police please give this dude a drug test

Posted by: Great One | August 14, 2008 12:01 PM

All I'm saying is Khary is at least available to play. He's actually been in the league 6-7 years, I think. Would he be my preferred starter? No. But a six-pack says he plays more games than McIntosh does this year.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

'But I'm not ready to cut the guy after one injury.'

But that is the point... it isnt one. he had a wrist in yr 1, knee last year, so what if he injures the same knee or his ear this year... if he misses a lot of time, thats a lot of money paid for zero on the field production.

No one is saying he should go now. But oft injured players are like leaches.

But i digress, ifs, ands and buts are stupid to argue anyway...

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Those warpath.com bits that someone keeps posting (thx btw) suggest that Marcus is having a beastly camp and preseason and that coaches are telling him to take it easy a little bit and that no one should be going 100% on every snap of every practice. I think Jasno was saying the same type of thing in his chats recently. That stuff is the reason why I joined any of the Marcus chatter at all. [In other news, I've heard next to nothing about Cornelius, other than that he is in camp.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

But a six-pack says he plays more games than McIntosh does this year.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 12:12 PM

I will take this bet (assuming play more games refers to playing time at LB, not just special teams).

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

There are way too many factors to play out before the draft and free agency!

I know there is a contingent that seems to think these guys are fragile like glass if they've had an injury in the past couple of years regardless of the nature and seriousness of the injury but uaually regarding players at or over 30. [Washington's hip, Spring's abdominal surgery, Griffin's toe and now Rocky Mac's knee.] This contingent of minds seems to think that these players are on their last legs and we should always looke to the glorious riches of the "DRAFT" to fix what obviously ails us.

I say BUNK! Injuries are part of the game and if you think you can replace starters that easy through the draft or free agency you haven't been paying attention to history.

Now if you want to speculate, go ahead, but no one thought that we would have to replace Sean Taylor at this point last year. Can't plan for that now anyway.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

IMO, if Rocky misses significant time again, they should cut him and their losses. They knew he had a bum knee (so did every other team) when they traded up for him and didn't have to. If Kelly continues to have injury problems, it will be the same situation. Sometimes there's a reason guys are sitting a round lower than where you have them pegged on your draft board.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 11:22 AM

The "if" game is a stupid game to play. But how about this: if Rocky looks good during the rest of preseason and doesn't get injured than we have a good starting linebacker.

If Kelly doesn't have anymore injury problems than we may have another good receiver.

But like I said, if games are stupid.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

From the Times, last sentence in the 2nd paragraph is a good one:

There is some good news at the position. Thomas has practiced at full speed this week, and Zorn said he will make his preseason debut against the Jets. Thomas had one of the best catches of the day, grabbing a ball in traffic that prompted Zorn to meet him on his way back to the huddle for extra encouragement.

"What I saw today about Devin is while he was rehabbing and getting his hamstring well, he was listening because he didn't make many mistakes," Zorn said. "He really fought to catch the ball. I really saw him step up and want to be on the field."

Posted by: Greg | August 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Zebra, I think most of the time Rocky missed as a rookie was because of the whole Gibbs/Williams way of not playing rookies. I don't think the guy even played a defensive set until Week 14 or 15. But hey, that's why they play the games--maybe this year he plays all 16, goes to the Pro Bowl and makes us all look dumb.

CF, you have to be friggin' kidding me with Khary Campbell. He's a career backup and standout special teamer. That's it. Nobody lobbied for Eddie Mason to play more LB when he was here, and he was the same type player. But then again, so was Antonio Pierce and he ended up pretty good.

Good preseason reps does NOT equal regular season success. I remember at the tail end of the Norv era when Thrash was ballin' out in the preseason and looked like a stud. Never panned out as a starter (ask Iggles fans). That's likely the case with Campbell.

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has been discussed already, but allegedly Brett Favre will be playing MOST of the game Saturday. This should be an interesting test to see how well our 2nd and 3rd stringers play against a HOF QB.

I'm particularly interested in seeing how guys like Tryon, Richardson, Horton and Moore perform. Will they be fooled by the vet or will they be "supersmart" and not make poor decisions. More than any other preseason game, I think Saturday night will seal the fates of some of our rookie DBs.

Posted by: talkshowhost | August 14, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Totally disagree about Rocky Mcintosh guy played his azz off before he got hurt played pass and run well the D took a "hit" after he was gone as far as flexability and matchups were concerned.I think Marcus stays if they can get him to renegotiate his contract surprised that Los and Rocky are going to test themselves Saturday thought the staff would wait until next week.

Posted by: dargregmag@aol.com | August 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

dcsween. You're on. Remind me at the end of the season. I'll be happy to lose that bet.

Posted by: creativefunk | August 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

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