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McIntosh, Thomas Updates

It's Friday, which means Mark Maske is trolling for news. Drew Rosenhaus's Twitter feed revealed that he still expects Anquan Boldin to be traded and a couple of Redskins tidbits:

Rosenhaus's tweets:

We've had success in dealing with the Redskins and I'm hopeful we can negotiate an extension for OLB Rocky McIntosh in the near future.

Devin Thomas recently had laser eye surgery and it has helped him significantly. The Redskins have been very pleased with his recent work.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 8, 2009; 4:04 PM ET
 
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Posted by: skinfanman | May 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow...just this morning I posted the news that Brian Mitchell will be inducted into the Redskins Ring of Honor sometime during the 2009 season.

Now, I hear that BMitch has been cut by ESPN 980 - today was his last day!! Contract non-renewal? Al Koken also cut (I will not miss him).

What's up with that?????

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 4:11 PM

Snyder cuts B-Mitch yet again. I wonder if he will goto rival radio stations and try and get back @ Snyder once again. This cut doesn't surprise me, but how can you cut Smoken Al Koken.


Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 4:14 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I hate the way sports talk 980 has been handled. i loved the fox sports radio, the sports update song and Czabe's morning show, now we have to listen to ESPN's mike and mike, and recycled clips of weekday shows on sazturday's. Snyder makes everything mediocre

Posted by: DaFunBunch | May 8, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Now, I hear that BMitch has been cut by ESPN 980 - today was his last day!! Contract non-renewal? Al Koken also cut (I will not miss him).

What's up with that?????

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 4:11 PM

Makes sense. The listeners are bleeding. I stopped listening back in JAnuary, and I was a very avid listener....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 8, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

SKins need to go out and sign Pisa Tinoisamoa ASAP!!!!!! So they can move Orakpo back to DE....

Posted by: cocodc1 | May 8, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

does anyone kno if pisa plays strong or weak? Anyone have that scouts.com rating and scouting report on him that they could put up as well.

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I hope Thomas had PRK eye surgery (which I had). They ablate the cornea, but it doesn't leave the flap on the cornea that LASIK leaves (which can be come loose when involved in impact sports).

Posted by: Alan4 | May 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

As far as Rocky's contract...He is entering the last year and there is no incentive for the skins to resign him @ this point. He will be a restricted FA after this year and needs to prove he can stay healthy. If he stays healthy and has a breakout year then ink him @ the midway point this season and if not let him walk.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock is at it again........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 8, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe Pisa was weak. Bear in mind there is probably a good reason the Rams got rid of their leading tackler. Hasn't he spent time on IR twice recently? He's not that big & his salary is around 3 mil.

Posted by: will_ga | May 8, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

So, does this mean that Rocky Mac's knees are better (or that they have invented a superior duct tape)?

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

a superior duct tape ... now that would change everything

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 8, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Bmitch gone?? Too bad but he was the king of never letting callers on, he'd promise for three commercial breaks, meanwhile bragging how he's tough and crazy. They didn't have to fire him though.

Posted by: AdamCr | May 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

To Those who think that Orapko should play "defensive end" espcially Mr. abxinc ...

Looky, looky at this guy who is still unsigned as of now:

(Imagine him at linebacker with Orapko on the other side. If Snyder wants to trade a 1st next year and Rocky Mac, Blades that would be fine with me. That's building a dynasty.)

Terrell Suggs #55 LB
2008 STATS
TACKLES_____FF____INT__SACKS
___68________2_____2_____8

Height 6-3
Weight 260 lbs.
Age 26

Experience 7 years
College Arizona State

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 85 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: Suggs didn't have his best season in 2007, recording a career-low five sacks. He started the season particularly slow and even though his sack numbers don't bear it out, Suggs is still a feared pass rusher in the prime of his impressive career. While he didn't light it up as a sack artist, Suggs did record his career high in tackles during the 2007 season and has become an all around defensive force. He can play a traditional defensive end with his hand on the ground or as a linebacker in the two-point stance with the ability to drop into coverage and handle the flats. He has a long, lean and athletic body and plays stronger than his frame would suggest. Suggs is very competitive and durable. He is a leader who shows excellent toughness in all regards. Suggs is an exceptional athlete with tremendous balance and body control. Plus, he is sudden and quick in all of his movements without getting out of control.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

SKins need to go out and sign Pisa Tinoisamoa ASAP!!!!!! So they can move Orakpo back to DE....

Posted by: cocodc1 | May 8, 2009

See above. Would you move Terrel Suggs to DE? I am sure he could play there ... he certainly has the size. Don't be a fool. Orapko is right where he belongs in Blache's defense.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Trade for and sign Suggs. Build a dynasty for the next 5 years.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's ***NOT** and say we did. Orapko has a lot more potential to be a Suggs / MWash LB. This guy isn't as good as Robert Thomas.

Pisa Tinoisamoa LB
Height 6-1
Weight 240 lbs.
age: 27
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 66

Comment: He plays with very good lateral quickness and can change directions quickly. He has speed to the sideline with burst to close. He lacks overall strength to play stout, but can be aggressive on entry into blocks. He will stay stuck too long at times and lose ground working to escape. He still enters into some lead block contact with his shoulder first. He has good balance, but will get bounced. He is quick enough to sidestep or elude contact on his path to the ball. He has range and can close quickly from the backside to make plays. He usually provides good wrap on tackles and has some pop to him when he squares up. In coverage, he has good awareness. He'll stay on the field when the Rams go to nickel personnel. He is aggressive with his reads and will bite occasionally on play-action. He moves well in space, changes direction quickly and can recover from false steps. His overall reactions are adequate. He can close quickly after making reads. He is a productive player with good speed and range, when healthy.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

that would be nice if we were going to play a 3-4 defense...but we would get thrown on all day with suggs and orakpo at linebacker...we could be exploited with quick short throws to tightends and backs....you can't leave suggs or orakapo on an island in coverage too long...

Posted by: jasonma1 | May 8, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Whitlock is at it again........

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 8, 2009 4:42 PM

... calling for accountability in sports journalism. I love how Florio calls that a pigeon hole within a niche about which nobody gives a sh!t.

That said, I wish someone who hold the Big Hair with his Big Board of draft mockeries accountable. Mel Kiper is the king of wrong.

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Pisa Tinoisamoa #50 LB

2008 STATS
TACK FF INT
104 2 0
Birth Date July 15, 1981
Birth Place San Diego, CA
Height 6-1
Weight 240 lbs.

Age 27
Pronounced PEES-oh tee-noy-SAW-mo-ah
Position LB
Experience 7 years

College Hawaii
ProfileStatsSplitsGame LogNewsScouting InsiderPhotos
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 66 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: He plays with very good lateral quickness and can change directions quickly. He has speed to the sideline with burst to close. He lacks overall strength to play stout, but can be aggressive on entry into blocks. He will stay stuck too long at times and lose ground working to escape. He still enters into some lead block contact with his shoulder first. He has good balance, but will get bounced. He is quick enough to sidestep or elude contact on his path to the ball. He has range and can close quickly from the backside to make plays. He usually provides good wrap on tackles and has some pop to him when he squares up. In coverage, he has good awareness. He'll stay on the field when the Rams go to nickel personnel. He is aggressive with his reads and will bite occasionally on play-action. He moves well in space, changes direction quickly and can recover from false steps. His overall reactions are adequate. He can close quickly after making reads. He is a productive player with good speed and range, when healthy.

Posted by: billjohnson1 | May 8, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum

Suggs is an interesting comparison to Orakpo. As you know Suggs played DE @ ASU and excels @ the rush OLB in a 3-4 D...HOWEVER we employ a 4-3 formation. This year under Blatche we will have a hybrid 4-3 to not only protect Orakpo @ OLB but also to allow him to excel @ what he does best. I'm not sure what your smoking or if your tweaking your Madden 09 roster but that isn't happening. I'm pretty sure Ozzie Newsome has Vinny's #, but Ozzie ain't giving his # to Vinny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Terrell Suggs = Priest Holmes 2009

In other words, periculum's dream addition that will never happen.

While you're at it, you sure you don't want to move him to 2nd WR? He can be the first two-way player in decades.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 8, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Tinoisamoa had a pretty good game against the Skins at FedEx this year. Nine tackles, two assists, one sack, and he forced the Kendall fumble after his illegal reception.

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

In San Francisco, they tried to move Andre Carter to OLB, but it didn't quite work.

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

question

Posted by: MrMerkin | May 8, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

"I believe Pisa was weak. Bear in mind there is probably a good reason the Rams got rid of their leading tackler. Hasn't he spent time on IR twice recently? He's not that big & his salary is around 3 mil.Posted by: will_ga"

You hit it on the head, I think. He's a sideline to sideline guy who makes a lot of tackles. That's not what Spagnuolo wants back there. Still, you wonder why there was no trade market for him.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

question

Posted by: MrMerkin | May 8, 2009 5:27 PM

Yes, MrMerkin, you had a question?

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I hate the way sports talk 980 has been handled. i loved the fox sports radio, the sports update song and Czabe's morning show, now we have to listen to ESPN's mike and mike, and recycled clips of weekday shows on sazturday's. Snyder makes everything mediocre

Posted by: DaFunBunch

I don't miss Czaban AT ALL - can't stand the guy but why cut B Mitch? Will John Thompson be doing his show solo?

Cowherd is person 980 should cut!

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't miss Czaban AT ALL - can't stand the guy but why cut B Mitch? Will John Thompson be doing his show solo?

Cowherd is person 980 should cut!


Posted by: Lisa_R | May 8, 2009 5:48 PM

My 980 WishList
Keep: Andy Polley, Czabe, Doc, Koken
Cut: John Thompson, Cowherd, B-mitch
Bring Back: Rome, Korneiser

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The Three Stooges also known as the 3 blind mice.

IDIOT 1:
that would be nice if we were going to play a 3-4 defense...but we would get thrown on all day with suggs and orakpo at linebacker...we could be exploited with quick short throws to tight ends and backs....you can't leave suggs or orakapo on an island in coverage too long...
Posted by: jasonma1 | May 8, 2009

IDIOT 2:
Suggs is an interesting comparison to Orakpo. As you know Suggs played DE @ ASU and excels @ the rush OLB in a 3-4 D...HOWEVER we employ a 4-3 formation. This year under Blatche we will have a hybrid 4-3 to not only protect Orakpo @ OLB but also to allow him to excel @ what he does best. I'm not sure what your smoking or if your tweaking your Madden 09 roster but that isn't happening. I'm pretty sure Ozzie Newsome has Vinny's #, but Ozzie ain't giving his # to Vinny.
Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009

IDIOT 3: (smoking too many clay pots at the Bangkok Pizza-Smut)
Terrell Suggs = Priest Holmes 2009. In other words, periculum's dream addition that will never happen.

While you're at it, you sure you don't want to move him to 2nd WR? He can be the first two-way player in decades.
Posted by: bangkokben | May 8, 2009

What have you non-sapient spotted snails been smoking? He apparently IS GOOD in coverage. Why doesn't anyone on this BLOG actually read, or watch the games? Eh? Too busy pulling the pud dreaming of beasts I 'spose?

AGAIN from Scouts you morons ...
He can play a traditional defensive end with his hand on the ground or as a linebacker in the two-point stance with the ability to drop into coverage and handle the flats.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

You come up with a ridiculous post and then call others idiots. Of course Suggs can put his hand in the dirt, of course he would make the team better, and of course it will never happen.

1. no cap space
2. wouldn't give up next years 1st for his mancrush Sanchez, not going to do it for suggs
3. Please refrain from name calling names especially when your wrong.
4. I never argue with an idiot, they just wear you down and beat you with experience.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Terrell Suggs = Priest Holmes 2009. In other words, periculum's dream addition that will never happen.
Posted by: bangkokben | May 8, 2009

And gee "ben-dover" and Bang-me-with-ur-cock did you think Snyder would get Haynesworth? Sign Hall? Go after Cutler, attempt to trade up to get Sanchez?

Why then wouldn't he go for someone that would put the defense completely over the top in a Suggs?

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey periculum...

Lighten up Francis

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

1. no cap space.
Hasn't stopped Snyder yet. So you're wrong.

2. Wouldn't give up next years 1st for his mancrush Sanchez, not going to do it for suggs
Hey I'm the one who said Snyder had a mancrush for "chick crack"? Well, according to reports he had a deal in place with the Jaguars. What do you think he was going to give up? Eh? Yep, you're wrong

3. Please refrain from name calling names especially when your wrong.
You like to dish it out arrogant a>>??Hole that you are? Figgered you had a tough hide and can take it? Or are you a panzy? Besides I have proven that you are wrong.

4. I never argue with an idiot, they just wear you down and beat you with experience.
No, because you are mostly completely and utterly wrong ... over and over again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Ok your right. Get vinny and dan on the line ane share with them your brainstorm.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

2. Wouldn't give up next years 1st for his mancrush Sanchez, not going to do it for suggs
Hey I'm the one who said Snyder had a mancrush for "chick crack"? Well, according to reports he had a deal in place with the Jaguars. What do you think he was going to give up? Eh? Yep, you're wrong

And who where we going to take with the 8th pick. Everyone knew the action was @ the 5 spot. It wouldn't have taken 2 #1's to move from 13 to 8.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum

Sorry bro...I know you spent all day working on your baby. I didn't mean to call your baby ugly.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

ITA diesel, ITA. Don't even read the posts, you actually get stupider.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit, He does his research...He just doesn't like opposing views, which is weird for someone who spends all his time here.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes he does his research. Other times he just makes SKJ up and quotes it like it's fact. He is frequently quite wrong. There has been a number of times he's been asked for links to his so called facts and he has failed to post them because they indeed do not exist. His excuses are pretty lame too. See yesterday's threads.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Guys, there is no reason to get personal. We all want the same thing: A great team to root for (followed by multiple Super Bowl runs). You are both Redskins fans. Put away the tomahawks. Let me help:

Raise your left hand if you think Larry Michael should be fired.

Raise your right hand if you think Daniel Snyder should relinquish control.

Posted by: moosepod | May 8, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I feel like an idiot sitting here with both hands in the air.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Raise your left hand if you think Larry Michael should be fired.

Raise your right hand if you think Daniel Snyder should relinquish control.


Posted by: moosepod | May 8, 2009 7:06 PM

Now look, you've got me doing the Macarena!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 8, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh guys you can type it first... and you can put them down after 5 seconds. It is hard to type without your hands...

Posted by: moosepod | May 8, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Nothing personal. I'm not a fan of the name calling and internet tough guy persona. I actually find most of his comments entertaining in a weird way.

As far as my hands, I'm not telling you guys where I have my hands...

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

One pitch, One A-rod 3 run bomb. Son of a B

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44:

I can only assume that your hands are on your coveted autographed Kenny G CD? Or is it that poster of Andre Smith shirtless?

Posted by: moosepod | May 8, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

As far as my hands, I'm not telling you guys where I have my hands...

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 7:13 PM |

You're not typing with your nose, are you? And if you are, what are you using to mash down the caps key?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

You just triggered that repressed memory I had of Andre Smith's pro day. I thought I wouldn't have deal with until later in life. Damn

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh Favre!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 8, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense. The listeners are bleeding. I stopped listening back in JAnuary, and I was a very avid listener....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Don't tell me. You heard a discouraging word?

Just saw ARE on NFL.Com. THAT guy has a future in sports broadcasting.

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

n San Francisco, they tried to move Andre Carter to OLB, but it didn't quite work.

Posted by: dcsween | May 8, 2009 5:26 PM

Were they ever able to unload him?

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Were they ever able to unload him?

Posted by: TheCork | May 8, 2009 7:50 PM

That would be a big negatory. He left as a free agent and they got nothing for him. However, they got it back on Brenda Lloyd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 8, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I think one of the weakest points of the Skins offense is Zorn's lack of play calling and live game adjustment as an OC.
Shouldnt Snyder hire an Offensive Coordinator with this experience? Why not.. ?? Gibbs had one.. and it didnt bother his Ego.. Why have an inexperienced Head Coach AND an inexperienced OC, who just happens to be the same person, too?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Everybody just relax. Orako will not win the SAM linebacker spot. It will be a veteran who will get it. Who will that be is the question. We did not draft him to be a OLB. He is a beast DE. that is why he is here. Hopefully he can turn into OSI from New York. They weight about the same even though i believe that Orakpo will put on about another 10 pounds before the season starts. Our starting D-line should be Carter, Haynesworth, Griffin, and Orakpo. That gives us big strength and speed. GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | May 8, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I think one of the weakest points of the Skins offense is Zorn's lack of play calling and live game adjustment as an OC.
Shouldnt Snyder hire an Offensive Coordinator with this experience? Why not.. ?? Gibbs had one.. and it didnt bother his Ego.. Why have an inexperienced Head Coach AND an inexperienced OC, who just happens to be the same person, too?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 8, 2009 8:11 PM

After they hired all the assistants last year before they hired a coach, they had no choice but to promote Zorn to HC, even though he has never held a title higher than QB coach.
To your point...Sherman Smith carries the OC title. I know Zorny calls the plays and he had a tough 2nd half of the season. Lets hope he improves this year.
As far as Gibbs 2.0...There was a long list of mistakes he arguably made, IMO the hiring of Al Saunders and his 700 page playbook maybe tops.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

“What I was agonizing over last year that I’m not agonizing over this year was every time a mistake was made, nobody, not even the coaches knew what to say so I’m in there going, ‘No, we don’t do it that way. We do it this way.’ I was teaching everybody. Now I’m sitting back and all the assistant coaches know exactly what’s going on and they’re very aggressive in correcting and making sure we’re doing it right. That makes a huge difference because then we can take another step and work on things that we didn’t even touch on last year.”—Jim Zorn

...and some of you think not having any continuity in an offensive system is just an "excuse" for JC17?

He's primed for a breakout this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 8, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Let's hope [Zorn as the supreme allied commander of this offense] improves this year."

Yes.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 8, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

how u gonna fire big john Diesel?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

how u gonna fire big john Diesel?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 8:58 PM

I'm a Terp and despise G-town and JT for being to scared to play UM. Besides his show is teriible. I'm no fan of "Joe the Fan."

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

we can talk about the terps some other time. big john gives a different perspective.

u don't gotta agree sometimes u just gotta listen

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike Green had a great season...He is now killing the the Caps in the postseason. Damn

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

the caps d as a whole is awful this series they're not helping varly out very much. but green specifically has been bad

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Varley has been spectacular @ times. He has given up 2 tonight I'm sure he would really like to have back.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

pothier too, he gave up the back post through his five hole and left varly blocked and unprotected. the caps defensemen look tired and they can't get consistent threatening pressure in the pens zone. not enough good looks for ovie

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

5 goals given up regardless of each situation is a crappy night by any measure.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Jurjina and Erksine...Your right the D has really let them down. Best of three series now.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

u scared yet? seems light someone flicked the switch for pitt.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't scared when they were down 3-1 to the rangers. The Caps can and will play better and it never hurts when you have the best player on the planet.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"There was a long list of mistakes he arguably made, IMO the hiring of Al Saunders and his 700 page playbook maybe tops.
Posted by: Diesel44"

Definitely made it harder for Mark Brunell and for Jason Campbell. But then you remember how well it worked for Saunders in other places, particularly in KC when Dick Vermeil was there. And we saw what Todd Collins could do with it.

Can't overstate how confusing it is for a young QB to go from the Saunders model to the Zorn model in the space of an off-season. Even though both coaches substantially ablated the playbook to ease things for their QBs.

Makes you wonder, though, how Dan Snyder thinks his team can win games when he keeps switching things up on them.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

4sho diesel, but the rangers weren't supposed to beat the caps. it feels like people want crosby and them to win it all. Everyone talks about ovie being the best but i think they wanna see him lose.

not everybody in dc but everybody like in those howie long commercials.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 9:40 PM

No doubt. There is a learning curve for everything....Coaches, players, and even owners. The problem with the constant changing especially with gameplans and coaches is that there are players that fit certain schemes and we have either not had the right scheme or the right players.
In Dan's case he is the only constant in the last 10 years and I'm hoping that this year he finally has both.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

i feel you 100 percent, but all snyder thinks he's doing is asking them to play football. being that he doesn't have much football background he probably can't begin to fathom the difficulty he creates with all of this instability.

People in his position usually have gotten there by taking others advice and listening to conflicting opinions, or by doing it their way and not caring about opposing opinions b/c they can buy people who will agree with them. What do you think his path was?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:44 PM

I know it's bush to say this but maybe the refs want this to be a series too with how they have called game 3 & 4. Especially game 3 where the pens had 6 penalty calls in a row. 8 > 87 & 71

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Ovie's getting abused, it seems like he's constantly getting his legs taken out in open ice with no call. so nah, i ain't gonna call u bush league for callin out the refs, it's been kinda janky up there in pitt.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

i feel you 100 percent, but all snyder thinks he's doing is asking them to play football. being that he doesn't have much football background he probably can't begin to fathom the difficulty he creates with all of this instability.

People in his position usually have gotten there by taking others advice and listening to conflicting opinions, or by doing it their way and not caring about opposing opinions b/c they can buy people who will agree with them. What do you think his path was?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 9:50 PM

This how he built his empire @ Snyder communication so naturally he feels like that business model will work here.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"We're here diesel"(Martin Lawrence c1996)

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Damn Gina

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder, though, how Dan Snyder thinks his team can win games when he keeps switching things up on them.

Posted by: Samson151

Look, not a Danny apologizer, but spurrier quit on him as did Gibbs. One of the reasons double G did not get the job is he wanted to send Saunders packing.

There was no choice but to install a new system. Some blame falls on Danny but let's be fair, what was he supposed to do when Gibbs left?

This year will show weather or not JC is who many think he is. I for one am hoping he is, as I would like the Skins to host a playoff game or more...

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the ball coach and Gibbs quit...Although wouldn't you agree that it is tough to bring in a top flight coach when that coach can't hire his own assistants. Believe me I hope Campbell and Zorn are some day up there with B-mitch in the Ring of Honor, but that appears to be quite the longshot.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 8, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Isn't McIntosh's knee still a bit of a concern? I thought he kind of tapered off at the end of last season with knee issues. I don't know why the Redskins would be in a hurry to re-sign him. As for Thomas, I hope like heck that he ends up being the wide receiver they wanted him to be. I've heard some positive stuff, but then again, the Redskins seem to be bringing everyone in from Abe to Zach who ever played the receiver position. It sounds like they are looking for something that they don't think they have already...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the correct way to do things is to hire a GM, let him hire the coach and then both fill the assistant positions.

Let me qualify that by saying that I can't say that if I was the owner of a FB team that I could keep my hands off of the "action".

But from where I am sitting, it is an easy answer. Let the GM do his work and just sign the checks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 8, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking of this past year when Gibbs left. Dan could have chosen a head coach who would have stayed with the Gibbs model. Doesn't matter if he fired Saunders if he replaced him with somebody who came from a similar offensive philosophy. Like he did with Blache, whose approach isn't a great deviation from Grilliams.

OTOH, Dan could have hired a Head Coach and let him decide on a coordinator.

Am I remembering it right, that instead he hired Zorn as OC and then tried to find the head coach? And when he couldn't, promoted a surprised Zorn to the job?

ANd pretty late in the process, I think.

That's what I mean.

In the marketing biz, it's all about being first with the latest. Aggression often pays better than careful planning. You jump and if it turns out you jumped the wrong way, you turn around and jump in another direction.

That's not the way you build a winning NFL team, however. Do you guys disagree with that?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 8, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

you're on it sam

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Gotta give the kudos to Diesel and hollywood for holdin' down the jibba jabba tonight.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

"Ovie's getting abused, it seems like he's constantly getting his legs taken out in open ice with no call. so nah, i ain't gonna call u bush league for callin out the refs, it's been kinda janky up there in pitt."

Posted by: lilhollywood10

Okay, I dont watch a lot of hockey. In fact, the last game I remember wathcing was when I was a soohomore in HS and Messier won with the Rangers.

And Im biased as a Caps "fan" but is it just me or does Ovie get completely abused without a call and if you breath on Crosby its a penalty?

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 8, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

A Redskins source said that has no interest in offensive tackle Levi Jones, who was cut by the Cincinnati Bengals on Wednesday... jones is better than batista, riley, and montgomery... sign jones!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | May 8, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

bamboozled is on cable tonight. one of the best movies ever

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

kobe's on too...........eh

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Any word on samules health? and randy thomas what's good with those guys? How's the rehab coming?

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Isn't McIntosh's knee still a bit of a concern? I thought he kind of tapered off at the end of last season with knee issues. I don't know why the Redskins would be in a hurry to re-sign him. As for Thomas, I hope like heck that he ends up being the wide receiver they wanted him to be. I've heard some positive stuff, but then again, the Redskins seem to be bringing everyone in from Abe to Zach who ever played the receiver position. It sounds like they are looking for something that they don't think they have already...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 8, 2009 10:24 PM |

I don't know if he tappered off because of his knees or conditioning. I thought Rogers fell off two and I think it was because neither of them played the year before and just wore down. Just my thoughts. Jansen did the same (although he seemed wore down all year, it just got worse towards the end. Same with R. Thomas.) I wonder if that's what we have to look forward to with Daniels this year. Maybe Orakpo too (just because of the move from 10 games to 16)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

*too*

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

g'night all, time to hit the streets

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | May 8, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

This guy isn't as good as Robert Thomas.

Posted by: periculum | May 8, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

??? Are you talking about Pisa? Pisa is not as good as Robert Thomas??

Thomas's best season came in 2003 when he had 71 tackles.

Pisa had over 100 tackles last season.

What gives?

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Gotta agree w/ scampbell. Rogers started off the year playing really well. Maybe the best Ive seen him as a Skin. Surprising to me coming off what was a Hell of a knee injury. He tapered off quite a bit but still played better than Smoot. Which may not be sayin much.

Rocky played decent early but really disappeared down the stretch. I guess b/c of the knee but also seemed like he just got benched.

Jansen obviously has lost a step or two or more. He just looked slow and dead footed all season. Its a shame b/c he really was a very good player for a long time. Injuries just hit him hard after a long time of stayin in the lineup.

I am cautiously optimistic about Rogers and to a lesser extent McIntosh. Jansen is a LONG shot to regain form. Right tackle and LB are defintely the two main area of concerns right now in terms of WHO will be on the field. Hopefully guys step up and win the job rather than people playing by default.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 8, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

RedskinHead / Scamp

I remember reading that Rocky Mac's knee condition is degenerative and that's why he fell so far in the draft. Last year he fell off toward the end of the season. the year before that I think he went on IR toward the end of the season...troubling trend.

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

And regarding B-Mitch:

I absolutely loved him as a player for the burgundy and gold.

As a talking head, I frankly couldn't stand him and would also have fired him. He's the classic blow-hard. His idea of "analysis" is to shout people down and then talk about how he wears his heart on his sleeve - cut from the same mold as Screamin' A. Smith. If you like that schtick, fine. For me it gets old real quick.

Anyways, I think Snydes went mafia on him. Remember that dust up that he got into with CP on the air last year? More than anyone else on the team, CP is Danny's boy. You put it together...

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

RedskinHead / Scamp

I remember reading that Rocky Mac's knee condition is degenerative and that's why he fell so far in the draft. Last year he fell off toward the end of the season. the year before that I think he went on IR toward the end of the season...troubling trend.

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 11:31 PM |

He blew an ACL the year before that. Didn't really have anything to do with his prior condition.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 8, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

And regarding B-Mitch:

I absolutely loved him as a player for the burgundy and gold.

As a talking head, I frankly couldn't stand him and would also have fired him. He's the classic blow-hard. His idea of "analysis" is to shout people down and then talk about how he wears his heart on his sleeve - cut from the same mold as Screamin' A. Smith. If you like that schtick, fine. For me it gets old real quick.

Anyways, I think Snydes went mafia on him. Remember that dust up that he got into with CP on the air last year? More than anyone else on the team, CP is Danny's boy. You put it together...

Posted by: p1funk | May 8, 2009 11:35 PM

Dead on P1funk
I loved B-mitch too as a skin. He was unceremoniously let go...I'm sure when he was finished with the eagles and Giants he would have gone to the cowboys to complete the hat trick if they would have returned his agent's calls. He lost cred in my book with his bitterness and if he would have signed with any of the other 29 teams he would still have some in my book. He wanted to get back @ the skins and that was obvious. He was a borderline HOF player and a terrible talking head for Comcast and then 980. At the end of the day I'm sure Dan revels in the fact that he once again cut him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 9, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Terrell Suggs = Priest Holmes 2009

In other words, periculum's dream addition that will never happen.

While you're at it, you sure you don't want to move him to 2nd WR? He can be the first two-way player in decades.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 8, 2009 5:24 PM
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Lest we not forget the one man gang, Lorenzo Alexander

Posted by: notthecrochunter | May 9, 2009 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Diesel44 wrote:
One pitch, One A-rod 3 run bomb. Son of a B

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Actually it's more like... One needle in the a$$, one corked bat, one pitch, one A-Rod 3 run bomb. Guy is a fraud.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 9, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

And whats with the Brian Mitchell love affair on this board? The guy returned kicks for a living.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 9, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"And whats with the Brian Mitchell love affair on this board? The guy returned kicks for a living.Posted by: wewbank1"

A model for the versatile ex-college QB in the NFL -- not so much broke the mold as created it. Nowadays scouts look at QBs as potential receivers and 3rd down RBs. And even KRs.

Pat White ought to send him a royalty check.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"While you're at it, you sure you don't want to move him to 2nd WR? He can be the first two-way player in decades.Posted by: bangkokben"

That would be Deion Sanders, wouldn't it? And hasn't Devin Hester taken snaps on both sides of the ball? And who was the guy with the Pats a few SBs back?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

And whats with the Brian Mitchell love affair on this board? The guy returned kicks for a living.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 9, 2009 7:50 AM

Good point! We're obviously confused and need enlightenment.

Can you please post a list of the football skills that we can "love" and the ones that we should be indifferent to?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 9, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse


"While you're at it, you sure you don't want to move him to 2nd WR? He can be the first two-way player in decades.Posted by: bangkokben"

That would be Deion Sanders, wouldn't it? And hasn't Devin Hester taken snaps on both sides of the ball? And who was the guy with the Pats a few SBs back?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 9, 2009 8:04 AM ==========================================

Lorenzo Alexander just needs a little more work on his pass coverage.

Then we can pencil him in for dime back.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 9, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I would just like to say I hope Devin Thomas' vision leads to better performance. Partly becuase I want the Skins to win. Partly because I want all the haters here and there to have a big slice of humble pie.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 9, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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