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McNabb wastes no time stepping into leadership role

Donovan McNabb, who visited Redskins park for the first time just two days ago, has already made himself at home.

The Redskins' newly acquired quarterback familiarized himself quickly with the practice field and his new offensive teammates. He was working out with receivers Thursday afternoon, throwing routes with receivers. And apparently, it didn't take him long to make himself comfortable.

"Donovan's outstanding. It feels like he's been here for a couple of years," tight end Chris Cooley said. "Instantly, he's a leader. Instantly, he knows what it takes to have a team together. He's talked with all the guys, fits in extremely well."

McNabb walked off the practice field, laughing with his new teammates. Cooley wasn't the only one who noticed how quickly the quarterback is adapting to his new team.


"Right away, it's almost like he's been here. It's almost like he got the playbook when we got it," receiver Malcolm Kelly said. "It's crazy because he knows everything. He already knows the concepts and things like that and he's just been here two or three days. You can tell the way he carries himself and the way he is on the field that he has a lot of confidence. And that spreads to the rest of the guys out there on the field."

McNabb is expected to remain in town through the team's first minicamp, which begins April 16. While he's already studying up on the new playbook, he carries himself like a player who's not too worried about picking up the new system.

"He's a cool dude, man. That really brings the pressure of practice down when you got a guy who's laid-back and still about his business," Kelly said.

McNabb isn't the only one learning the new system obviously. Receivers are learning new routes. Tight ends are trying to learn their new roles ("Personally, I have a ton of opportunity to move around a lot," Cooley said. "I would compare it with what Joe [Gibbs] did with the tight end and H-back.")

But those others players did have a slight headstart on McNabb. No one seems to think that will be a problem.

"I don't think anyone was worried about his ability to come and be the quarterback with this team and fit in as a teammate," Cooley said. "He's very good at that. Very personable. And he knows what it takes. I think you like that as a player, you like a guy that's been there, a guy that's been in five NFC championships, been in the Super Bowl and understands what it's going to take."

By Rick Maese  |  April 8, 2010; 2:18 PM ET
 
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What player at pick 37 would bring this to the table? Especially at QB.

And by this, I mean leadership.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

As for AH's league ranking here's who I have listed as better than him FROM A PRODUCTION, NOT TALENT STANDPOINT (in no particular order):

Kevin Williams
Pat Williams
Casey Hampton
Richard Seymour
Vince Wilfork


So no...he's not in my top 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 8, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

OK, brownie.

I don't know what "production" metrics you are using, but here's the breakdown with some actual stats from the last 3 years.

BTW, I left out Richard Seymour b/c he's a 3-4 DE, so I'm not sure how he makes a list of DTs/NTs.

Casey Hampton
2009 - 3 sack, 1 QBhit, 25 tackles, 3 QB pressures
2008 - 1 sack, 0 QB hits, 15 tackles, 1 QB press
2007 - 1 sack, 0 QBhit, 9 tackles, 0 QB press

Kevin Williams
2009 - 5 sacks, 11 QBhits, 17 tackles, 20 QB press
2008 - 9 sacks, 16 QBhits, 48 tackles, 35 QBpress
2007 - 0 sacks, 9 QBhits, 22 tackles, 7 QBpress

Pat Williams
2007 - 2 sacks, 0 QBhits, 26 tackles, 2 QBpress
2008 - 1 sack, 1 QBhit, 37 tackles, 6 QBpress
2009 - 2 sack, 1 QBhit, 37 tackles, 4 QBpress


Vince Wilfork
2007 - 2 sacks, 3 hits, 49 tackles, 8 QB press
2008 - 2 sacks, 3 hits, 45 tacks, 12 QBpress
2009 - 0 sacks, 0 hits, 45 tacks, 9 QBpress


Albert Haynesworth
2007 - 5 sacks, 6 QBhits, 21 tackls, 7 QBpress
2008 - 8 sacks, 15 QBhits, 35 tackles, 18 QBpress
2009 - 4 sacks, 11 hits, 25 tacks, 12 QBpress

So according to the #s, it is wildly outrageous for you to rank Casey Hampton and Pat Williams ahead of Albert Haynesworth from a "production" standpoint.

Pat Williams is run-pluggin tackling machine that gets minimal pressure on the QB.

Vince Wilfork has makes more tackles than AH but gets less pressure on the QB

Casey hampton is laughable. You shuold feel embarassed for mentioning him.

Kevin Williams and Albert Haynesworth are the complete packages - making tackles and putting lots of pressure on the QB.


Why can't you just say that you don't like AH?

Because this attempt to downplay his value based on talent/impact/production is just ludicrous.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

my newest revised plan since the Mc5 thing has actually settled in my brain as reality now that he's practicing with the team.

Sign the Flozell and Levi.

Trade JC for a 4th or to the Bills for Lynch.

Trade CP and AH for a 1st and 3rd.

Draft at #4 Berry
Second 1st rounder - Trent Williams, Anthony Davis, Campbell or Baluga

3rd Tebow, Pick, or Lefevour

4th NT or ILB

4th if we didn't get Lynch take a young back.

5th Guard

7th WR

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 2:20 PM
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Here, let me finish your list for you:

8th Cure cancer

9th End global warming

10th Make spandex illegal for any woman weighing more than 120...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:26 PM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Package AH and CP to da Raiders. Switch the #4 for da Raider #8. Get 2nd and 3rd rounder back. Draft Dan Williams @ #8. Draft Tebow @ #40. Draft Veehder in the 3rd. Sign Flozell to play RT. Championship!!

Posted by: TWISI

Liking it, except for two things. One the Flozell idea--NEVER SIGN AN EX-Cowboy--and two, Even Al Davis isn't THAT senile.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

my newest revised plan since the Mc5 thing has actually settled in my brain as reality now that he's practicing with the team.

Sign the Flozell and Levi.

Trade JC for a 4th or to the Bills for Lynch.

Trade CP and AH for a 1st and 3rd.

Draft at #4 Berry
Second 1st rounder - Trent Williams, Anthony Davis, Campbell or Baluga

3rd Tebow, Pick, or Lefevour

4th NT or ILB

4th if we didn't get Lynch take a young back.

5th Guard

7th WR

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Cooley likes the switch at QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else noticing that the most quiet and positive player (at least on the offensive side of the ball) this entire offseason has been Clinton Portis?

Posted by: shanafan | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

wow if the players are already loving him publicly, just wait til JC is shipped off.

Posted by: follybeach | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse


"Right away, it's almost like he's been here. It's almost like he got the playbook when we got it," receiver Malcolm Kelly said

--REDSKIN INSIDER

You see Malcolm, (and Devin,) when he GOT the playbook, he actually read it.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with dcjazzfan. If I were Fat Albert, I would not offer one DIME and force the Redskins hand on this one. They made the contract, they should suffer. I'm all for Haynesworthless to stick it to $nyder on this one. Make him suffer.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 is not about talent or potential. It's about accomplishment and Haynesworth's attitude showed last year that he's peaked and is in the early twi-light of his career.

If he were in anyone's top 5 he would already have been traded and the 'Skins would be looking at two or three high draft picks this year or next.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


How does an "attitude" show that you've peaked and are in the twilight of a career? Once again, please take a look at the production by numbers. He's still very much getting it done.

Maybe he's not "already been traded" b/c the Skins aren't actually trying to trade him. Maybe they dangled him in the McNabb trade, as reported, but outside of that one deal they aren't shopping him.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I like McNabb's leadership.

It's the "followship" that worries me.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Liking the McNabb deal more and more. He brings the leadership the offense was sorely missing.

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

JEOPARDY 2011

"I'll take Sports for 1200, Alex."

ANSWER: $8.000,000 Per Sack..

QUESTION: How much was former Redskin Albert Haynesworth paid for the 2009 season?

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM

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McNabb IS under contract, but just for the 2010-2011 season. But, I agree with your point.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

10th Make spandex illegal for any woman weighing more than 120...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:26 PM
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i got suspended as an 8th grader when we discovered spandex melts when sprayed with WD40.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

come on corky...you know you want to bring up Fred Davis oversleeping from 2 years ago.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

That is something lost in all this

DM has been in a similar system, so having him at Qb to install your Offense immediately puts the rest of your offense, a lot of which you have tons of money tied up into, that much ahead of the curve vs a rook qb or even JC.

Zorn did not have a west coast offense. He had a bastard child WCO passing game, but that was about it.

9 wins.. hell yes.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

HA cork...well done.

I mean what else are they going to say about Mcnabb? He's a prick? Bring back Campbell?

Still though, its good to see the players like him. Thats important...

Dik, I agree with you again that the idea of taking a QB now does make sense. Let him sit, learn... no pressure to play for 3 years or so... but only if were able to get more picks. With 4 picks, and only 1 in the top 3 rounds, we gotta take a player that is going to come in and play at #4... hopefully a LT... however, with more picks, I 100% agree we should look into a future QB... let Shanny work with him for a few years and then plug him in when Mcnabb walks away.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Donovan is under contract. They haven't signed him to an extension, but he is still under contract.

Stop worrying about Campbell he probably won't be hear next year. Time for you to pick a player to hate.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Let's get Tebow. I'm diggin it. We should trade AH and JC to the Raiders and pick up their 1st and 3rd. Drop down from 4 to the Broncos for their 1st and B. Marshall. Take a OL @ #8 and Tebow @ the Broncos spot.

Posted by: Copious1 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Lay off the coke.. its not even 3:00 yet.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

McNabb IS under contract, but just for the 2010-2011 season. But, I agree with your point.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM
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I thought DM was still unsigned due to the extension issue?

On another note.. why the crap attack on AH about voluntary workouts and not a peep about JC skipping them?

If JC was a real competitor he would be on the field with McNabb right now, learning and participating instead of pouting at home.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

9 wins.. hell yes.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM

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Why stop there. I declare 14-2!!!! (Now where is the sarcasm font???)

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey JReid,

When are we gonna get a post about Andre Carter skipping workouts to stay in the Bay Area and train alone, and about being disappointed in switching to a 3-4 defense.

Is he letting his teammates down?

Is he disrespecting Shanny?

Is he a leader?

Is he killing the chemistry?

Is he a me-first bad teammate?


C'mon Insider; we've had about a half-dozen posts on AH...why not spread the wealth?


Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

4 RedDMV, You like it huh. thanks man!

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM

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McNabb IS under contract, but just for the 2010-2011 season. But, I agree with your point.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Campbell hasn't signed his tender so while we control his rights he isn't under contract and Mc5 is under contract for 1 more year but they are working on an extension.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes optimism... i love it.

If Zorn could eek out 4 wins (a couple more we lost by a small margin) with zero o line to speak of and a qb who was a wrong fit for the system....

what do you think a vet QB who has been in the system for 11 years, a HOF coach and his bright yound assistant and genetic offspring who had the most prolific passing attack gonna do?

Yes oline, I know. But with the same starters as last year, I think shanny gets us 7 wins. With DM and possibly an upgraded line, dare I say 3 more wins?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I think McNabb becomes a far better QB with an effective running game.

Posted by: edvar | April 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought DM was still unsigned due to the extension issue?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:41 PM

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No, we've got him for the upcoming season, but he'll be a free agent after this season, so we're trying to lock him up with an extension. Otherwise, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd or 4th next year will be awfully expensive for a one year rental. But, the Skins are looking to extend him for 3 or 4 years. The stumbling block is, what happens if there is no season in 2011? He'll be a year older and that'll be an extra year on his contract (i.e. a high yearly salary for a guy who's 38). Eh, it's just something that needs to be worked out and it will be. No worries.

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Igor;

you gotta be 17 or something, right?

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone else noticing that the most quiet and positive player (at least on the offensive side of the ball) this entire offseason has been Clinton Portis?"

Mr. Portis is not dumb.

The team has suddenly been flooded with some very strong presences, and he's bright eoungh to know it's best to fly below the radar while they establish themselves.

You got, what, a Super Bowl quarterback and head coach directing the offensive.

You got another decent head coach named Haslet running the defense.

The rookie wideouts are now 2-3 year vets.

Portis has just released he is no longer the only sheriff in town.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You have to be kidding...

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM

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First: Campbell has permission to not be there...
second: after having to find out about the McNabb trade from a reporter...his treatment from that front office equals his treatment from his O Line and running game...

Posted by: petebowling1 | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 8, 2010 2:33 PM


Leadership hasnt been the problem with the offense. It has been protection. When they fix that problem and upgrade the WR position I will get excited about McNabb.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Getting a feeling that Portis is going to beast out this year. Keeping quiet AND working out with his teammates.

Liking the change of culture at Redskins Park.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What do you expect these guys to say when they are asked questions about the new QB? "Man, I think Donovan is washed up." "He is really stinking the place up around here, I can't stand being around him." "He's ok, but not worth the 37th pick in this draft plus another."
Of course they're going to get in line and say what theyre supposed to. Did you read the article about Haynesworth learning something from Plummer? You don't cross MS and stick around to tell the story. He rules through fear...must've read Machiavelli.
So of course they are going to say all the right things.

PLEASE dont sign Flozell Adams.

Posted by: INIOWA | April 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Donovan is under contract. They haven't signed him to an extension, but he is still under contract.

Stop worrying about Campbell he probably won't be hear next year. Time for you to pick a player to hate.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 8, 2010 2:40 PM
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and time for those with weird mancrushes on JC to pick a new "biggest draft bust player on the team".
(if he's traded, hopefully)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Moe;

what exactly did DM 'release'?

Cooley has been know to whip out his snake on occasion.

Posted by: Zeebs | April 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

and whether they accomplish their goal hinges on owner Daniel Snyder's willingness to accept the largest failed investment of his 11-year tenure as owner -- and possibly the biggest in NFL history.

By: JReid

=================================================

Whaaaaa???!!?!!?!?!?!?

Not even the top 3. He's not even a freakin bust!

1. Dion
2. Archibingus
3. BLloyd
4. ARE
5. Mike Barrow
6. Jeremiah Trotter


GTF outta here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 2:39 PM

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

In other words the players are learning now what many fans new for years... Campbell is a horrible QB!!! Must be nice for them to finally see what a real one looks like..

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

JEOPARDY 2011

"I'll take Sports for 1200, Alex."

ANSWER: $8.000,000 Per Sack..

QUESTION: How much was former Redskin Albert Haynesworth paid for the 2009 season?

Posted by: TheCork
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Hmm I'd be pretty happy if we were paying $8 per sack.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


Omar Kelly, of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, reports Miami Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland said the team has options to trade up or down in the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. "We have options to trade down and trade up, but we feel like there's going to be good players there," Ireland said

Rick Maese, of The Washington Post, reports Washington Redskins CB Phillip Buchanon said the coaches have approached about the possibility of returning punts this season.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 8, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

and time for those with weird mancrushes on JC to pick a new "biggest draft bust player on the team".
(if he's traded, hopefully)

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

True, but I think most of those people have moved on. Haven't seen a JC debate since Donovan was signed.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 8, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What player at pick 37 would bring this to the table? Especially at QB.

And by this, I mean leadership.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Curz. He's a winner.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

EDVAR

"I think McNabb becomes a far better QB with an effective running game."


If you play to the idea that the skins should be a run-first, pass second squad, McNabb could play until he's 38-39.

He should throw to keep the defense honest, and sling bombs when the opening is there.

We haven't had a guy with his potential in the house since the days of B Johnson.

4,000 yards passing? 1,500 yards rushing?: if there's blocking, it'll all be there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Im lost as why peope are still bashing JC. He clearly has no place on this team... why would you want him at workouts? His agent is looking for a trade and Shanny has essentially told him not to show up by bringing in Mcnabb and Grossman... it would be a mistake to bring Campbell in... only be a distraction. Thus, hes doing us a favor by not showing up.

Seriously, its time for you to pick a new player to hate and constantly bash bc JC is no longer apart of this team, even if we can't find a trade partner for him... he'll be released or the 3rd QB.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:49 PM


Yeah there is no mention of JC in the post and look who brings him up...who has the mancrush...Move on nobody cares about your JC is a bust rants.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking zjfr got the core of the trade correct. Campbell goes to Buffalo, Marshawn Lynch comes here. Might be other pieces, but that makes sense all around.

Lynch has been surpassed in Buffalo and they've got a big issue at QB.

Two guys trying to rebuild their careers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

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Not that you need it to be pointed out to you for the 10th time, but i'll do it anyway.

McNabb is under contract.

Campbell is not.

Your post is entirely backwards.

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Leadership hasnt been the problem with the offense. It has been protection. When they fix that problem and upgrade the WR position I will get excited about McNabb.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

How do we know that McNabb would perform the same as JC with the same OLine?? I think McNabbs abilities will allow the coaches to better evaluate the talent on offense weather it be OLine, TE, WR or RB.

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

McNabb isn't the only one learning the new system obviously. Receivers are learning new routes.

Does JREID know anything about football? Just how many routes can rcvrs run? 100, 100, 10000?

JREID sounds more like M WILBON every day (stupid and ignorant).

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Why does every body keep talking about drafting E.Barry? Didnt the skins have a top 10 Passing D? But the total Offense wasn't even in the top 20? Any one who has any Football knowledge knows the game starts in the trenches. McNabb is here. Now protect him. Not to mention you would be giving three very capable backs some daylight.... it would be asinine to pick Barry over Okung.

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM

Nor did Zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

My initial response to the Donovan trade was negative, from a pure 'continuing to mortgage our future for instant returns standpoint'. But if we are able to move Jason and Albert for a 2-3 picks this year and next, I will see the whole senario as a positive for us. The BEST part of the Shanny regime thus far has been the back-seating player attitude.

Posted by: TheGreat8 | April 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Huh? We were in the bottom 5 in BOTH yards/carry AND sacks. There were 10 or 11 different starters on the OL during the year -- including a few that had barely played in the league before.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM


Hey SkinsNeeda GM,

I just wanted to let you know (in case no one else thought to bring it up with you) that McNabb is under contract ;)

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

In other words the players are learning now what many fans new for years... Campbell is a horrible QB!!! Must be nice for them to finally see what a real one looks like..

Posted by: sovine08 | April 8, 2010 2:51 PM
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the happiest have to be the players with performance clauses in their Contracts. More touches equal more money.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM

Nor did Zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, that was what I was going to say as well, if with JC when Sherm Lewis took over play calling we scored significantly more points the rest of the way. Face it, with JC and Zorn in charge we were bringing a knife to a gunfight every Sunday. This year will be way different....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa"

Personally, I think they were worse than most think.

When your most productive rusher averages 3.6 yards per carry on the season, your leader in rushing TDs totaled 3 for the year despite innumerable opportunities in the red zone, you've got massive problems on the line.

Of course, some of that was also on Zorn's predictability.

But IMO, this line was twice as bad in the ground game as they were in pass-protection.

And we know how bad they were in pass-pro...

Posted by: psps23 | April 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, its time for you to pick a new player to hate and constantly bash bc JC is no longer apart of this team, even if we can't find a trade partner for him... he'll be released or the 3rd QB.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse


Oh, that player has been selected and Albert Haynesworth is the big winner.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins' newly acquired quarterback familiarized himself quickly with the practice field and his new offensive teammates. He was working out with receivers Thursday afternoon, throwing routes with receivers."

Question is Was he in a good mood after working with said WR's or was it more of an Oh sjkt type moment?

Posted by: skinswest | April 8, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM

We dont know how he would do, but if you want a clue, look at the last two games the Eagles played. You would have thought it was JC the way McNabb is running for his life. The point is a qb has to have something to fall back on. Whether it is a awesome line, great running game or outstanding skill players they need to have something. No qb worth anything has won without any of these things. Can we agree that none of those things were in place last year? Anytime Montgomery,Rinehart, Heyer and Batiste are on the field there was a problem. The line was as bad as advertised.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Donovan McNabb is now the Skins QB, has signed a contract, and is learning his teammates and a new playbook. He should be there. Jason Campbell is being shopped and he and Shanahan agreed it would be best if he stayed away. And he was there until the trade occured.

On the other hand, McNabb was NOT in attendance at the Eagles voluntary workouts before being traded.

http://www.timesherald.com/articles/2010/03/31/sports/doc4bb2da1ecb36a492245897.txt

This is not a knock on McNabb - it's great he's working out with our players - but facts are facts and your comment about diverse attitudes has no substance.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Leadership hasnt been the problem with the offense. It has been protection. When they fix that problem and upgrade the WR position I will get excited about McNabb.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

How do we know that McNabb would perform the same as JC with the same OLine??

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse


Oh just hold on, and we may get to see with our very own eyes!

Right now our starting Oline is -

LT - Artis Hicks?
LG - Dockery
C- Rabach
RG - Mike Williams?
RT - Stephon Heyer

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

corrected...

Interesting...McNabb does not have an extension but who is under contract is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who also does not have an Extension but is currently under contract, is not there and even requested permission to stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts. When in fact, Shanahan invited him to work out and suggested that he be welcomed and could possibly be a back-up to McNabb next year.

A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played their positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What player at pick 37 would bring this to the table? Especially at QB.

And by this, I mean leadership.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Didn't get McNabb for pick #37. Got him for one year, for #37 this year, and a 3rd or 4th round pick next year.

As far as "leaderhsip" goes ask me in two years -- if all the pieces are finally in place and McNabb is still here and is still standing -- then maybe he'll be in position to lead the Redskins somewhere.

Sounds like a longshot.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"Trade CP and AH for a 1st and 3rd."

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 2:20 PM


Maybe in Madden my friend, but Portis is a HUGE liability on the trade market and Haynesworth's trade value has deteriorated markedly. Here is the draft value chart GM's use.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php


No way CP and Butters go for anything over a 3 or 4 COMBINED; the 'skins might have to take some gar'bage back as well.

Posted by: duh2mag | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

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This post shows that either you know nothing about the workings of NFL free agency or you just blindly hate JC so much that you throw knowledge and logic to the side.

Whenever a player is being actively shopped, they stay away from the team facilities. This request can come from either the team or the player, whoever is more interested in facilitating the trade.

The reason for this is that JC is not as exposed to injury, and if he was to get injured it would not be as public nor would the team be able to be held liable.

Posted by: WazzuBrian1 | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

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This post shows that either you know nothing about the workings of NFL free agency or you just blindly hate JC so much that you throw knowledge and logic to the side.

Whenever a player is being actively shopped, they stay away from the team facilities. This request can come from either the team or the player, whoever is more interested in facilitating the trade.

The reason for this is that JC is not as exposed to injury, and if he was to get injured it would not be as public nor would the team be able to be held liable.

Posted by: WazzuBrian1 | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

i'm glad McNabb is doing what a leader of a football team is supposed to do...Love it...can't say as much for Fat Albert

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The one thing that is getting overlooked in AH trade scenarios is the almighty dollar...as it concerns other teams. Several rumored trade partners (Lions, Buccaneers, Rams) are some of the cheapest in the League. They want good players but they don't want to pay for them (a concept that Snyderatto never quite got).

Who's to say that the Lions, a team that has paid top ten guaranteed money for the better part of a decade, wouldn't propose a trade that included AH (plus maybe our one next year) for the #2 overall in 2010?

In all likelihood they could get a premier DT on the cheap and avoid another massive rookie contract (cause we all know some kind of rookie cap is going to be part of the new CBA).

Not trying to play Madden here, but the dollars of Haynesworth's contract might give us a shot to get another top five pick this year. Its a hell of a longshot but weirder things that make a lot less sense have happened.

Posted by: Angelonourshoulders | April 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM

So lets see, you had 2 "facts" in here to justify your opinion, neither of which is is the truth. A microcosm of your jackassary?

If you are gonna blog like an amateur go to a lower tier site, RI is for the pro's who know the contract situations of most the major players on the skins. Now I will forgive a guy for thinking things like we can pull off a trade for Carter or big Albert, but seriously, there have been 200 posts about QB contract status since we signed McNabb.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking Cooley likes the switch at QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL ya think? :) I do too! hearing what type of leadership he has already brought in under week is awesome...thses are the things the htters just don't get.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa

Huh? We were in the bottom 5 in BOTH yards/carry AND sacks. There were 10 or 11 different starters on the OL during the year -- including a few that had barely played in the league before.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse


i have watched all the passing plays by JC lst season on dvr (nfl replay) JC had plenty of time even though he was on a bad line....If you hold the ball too long you will get sacked. the o line was not as bad as people have made it out to be...BUT it does need to be over hauled. I think the combination of the line and JC's inability to move the offense and get rid of the ball faster. Adding McNabb will change the QB side of it...but the line needs some editions.

I think it's not ALL on the o line as well as it's not all on JC...combination of both.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

First: Campbell has permission to not be there...
second: after having to find out about the McNabb trade from a reporter...his treatment from that front office equals his treatment from his O Line and running game...

Posted by: petebowling1 | April 8, 2010 2:46 PM

The only reason JC "had to find out about the McNabb trade from a reporter" (to the extent it's a big deal anyway) is that he didn't check the voice mail message Shanahan left for him. Should the deal have been postponed until JC's folks were informed and allowed to tell him in the manner they deemed best? The Eagles were in a hurry to get out in from of the story of the stinker of a deal they made and sent Reid out to bumble through that goofy presser Sunday evening. The Skins' FO can't control that. When Jason is finally gone...will all of you hand-wringers that think this grown man needs/deserves to be treated like the Golden Child finally give it a rest? It's a tough business. JC is doing just fine. He doesn't deserve any special consideration for being a good guy.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Interesting...McNabb is not even under Contract and is at the Park working out and showing leadership skills.. JC who is under Contract and being paid (albeit no extension yet) is not there and asked if he could stay away from Redskins Park and the voluntary workouts.
A microcosm of two diverse attitudes.. About the same way they played there positions, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If McNabb wasn't under contract, he'd be a free agent. He has a year left on his contract.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead

Doc Walker, a guy that actually knows football calls people like you fantasy league'ers. You have trades and lineups without any knowledge of the business of football. Just trade um like you do on your fantasy league.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 8, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I love how these RI posters have so easily forgotten where trading away our draft picks for aging free agents has gotten us.
I will remind you. It gots us to 4-12 last year. It got us 0 NFC East titles in the last 10 years. We have no depth and hardly any young talent to develop due to giving away our picks.

Posted by: INIOWA | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

What player at pick 37 would bring this to the table? Especially at QB.

And by this, I mean leadership.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 2:27 PM
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AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SoCalSkinsFan | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

So lets see, you had 2 "facts" in here to justify your opinion, neither of which is is the truth. A microcosm of your jackassary?

If you are gonna blog like an amateur go to a lower tier site, RI is for the pro's who know the contract situations of most the major players on the skins. Now I will forgive a guy for thinking things like we can pull off a trade for Carter or big Albert, but seriously, there have been 200 posts about QB contract status since we signed McNabb.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Seriously man? Not everyone is a pro like you I guess. Last I checked anyone can comment on this blog whether they are as well knowledged as you or not.

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 8, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

10th Make spandex illegal for any woman weighing more than 120...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 2:26 PM
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i got suspended as an 8th grader when we discovered spandex melts when sprayed with WD40.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 2:37 PM |
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Running to the store to buy some WD40...

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | April 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors..."

Well, the oline is that bad but JC was also not doing the Skins any favors. Ask Santana Moss how many times JC missed him running down the field with no one in his face.

I am very much liking what I am hearing about DMac.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

LT - Okung
LG - Dockery
C- Rabach
RG - Hicks/Williams?
RT - Stephon Heyer


Ok, fixed. :)

Seriously though, they need a RT by the start of the season. Mike Williams can play there but is a true guard, rather then a OT. I don't think Heyer is that guy.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | April 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Always interesting how RI and some posters act as if the money spent on free agents and the like come from their own pockets. Don't attend games, don't buy the gear. Then you don't have to take Snyders expenditures so personally and you can carry on with your day. I couldn't care less how much he gains or loses on these players. He's spending to win. Maybe it's mis-guided, but he spends a grip of money on this team. As a fan I appreciate that. I don't approve of how the team has performed over his tenure, but I appreciate that he's willing to spend every penny the league allows.

Posted by: hand_of_doom | April 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This article highlights the largest contribution that McNabb will bring to this team - Leadership/Field General Talent.

If all things were equal with Jason Campbell and McNabb, the biggest UPSIDE of the change is the difference in leadership. Quite frankly, Campbell was a limp french fry. He exhibited no passion what so ever. And before you start saying "Campbell was a nice guy," I don't dispute that. But the difference between average and even good quarterbacks is showing passion and leadership on the field. It is admirable that Campbell could pull himself out of the divetts in the field after being sacked; but that doesn't make him anything more than determined. McNabb has continually demonstrated leadership on and off the field.

Of course we know that these two quarterbacks aren't equal in their performance. Campbell plays it safe; McNabb will take chances. Campbell is a demonstrated LOSING quarterback with his style and McNabb is a demonstrated WINNING quarterback with his. Sometimes McNabb will make a boneheaded play, but seriously, he won't be worse than Campbell at any level.

And like someone said here - you trade a 37th pick in a draft for a winning QB with three to five years left in him and you can't go wrong. And even though there may be a third or fourth rounder next year to factor in, you bring someone who will impact the ENTIRE organization in a way even the head coach can't. I'm going to say that McNabb will take no guff from anyone and he will ensure people know their places.

Coming from a person who absolutely despised this man just a week ago, I'm finding more about this man than I even knew. He's a class act and we've had enough of the Campbell show to know that expecting different results (improved) isn't going to happen where his mindset is - playing the wimpy victim.

And you are already seeing more interaction with receivers from McNabb already than perhaps you would have seen in a year from Campbell. I might be wrong, but I'm going to say that these two "bust" receivers just might look golden this year with a quarterback who is more lion than mouse.

Posted by: laserwizard | April 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth should be paying close attention to what Donovan is doing right now. THIS is what being a leader is about. THIS is what being part of a team is about. Voluntary activities or not, Haynesworth's training away from the squad is a slap in the face to the team that's paid him tens of millions of dollars in just 14 months. Signing Haynesworth was a huge mistake, as he's showing the maturity of a toddler. I won't shed a tear when we ship his out of shape butt out of town and get some players who want to be here and put in the work. It certainly won't be difficult to find someone with more character and leadership ability.

Posted by: bradchristman | April 8, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

oh, no! A new system, a new coach, a new everything, what is a QB to do? WWJcD?

Oh wait a minute, we will have a real QB. No worries.

Posted by: hock1 | April 8, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Its almost a lock taking an LT at #4. As good as having a rookie QB sit under McNabb for a few years sounds. Why take a rookie when you have colt brennan sitting right there. Otherwise he should be dropped

Posted by: hazeljay | April 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is much more effective with a running game. He'll have a much more varied approach with three excellent running backs competing. They have to split those carries, so there will be a larger emphasis on running early in the series. Going to make it so much easier having to throw 25 as opposed to 50 times. You watch>

Posted by: Brue | April 8, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

If the o-line that someone has already written with hicks,rabach and heyer on it starts the 2010 season that is a sure guarantee that mcnabb at some point will be injured. hicks may be solid(not sure if LT is his best position now) but rabach and heyer..I have stated this many times are horrible. I would rather see levi jones and heyer battle at RT and draft a young LT. there is NO way if campbell can't find a team he is willing to go to that grossman will beat him out for 2nd string qb and if mcnabb goes down and grossman is number 2 he will get injured more quickly than mcnabb then who is the qb? fix the o-line.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 8, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

George was not happy before, George is becoming happier with this transaction of 5 to our Redskins.

Posted by: DCFanatic | April 8, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

They only need to draft a QB this year if they can't sign McNabb to an extension. If they can, they can wait 2-3 years to draft a QB and he would still have 2 years to sit and learn. Why is it that Haynesworth/Campbell are catching hell for skipping voluntary stuff? London Fletcher never came to voluntary stuff until this year and he is considered the consumate professional. Let's be honest, some of you don't like JC/AH so it's a big deal when they skip it. And I have to piggyback another poster--Portis has been very quiet (and very positive when he does talk) this offseason.

Posted by: largetony86 | April 9, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone else noticing that the most quiet and positive player (at least on the offensive side of the ball) this entire offseason has been Clinton Portis?"

LOL- he knows that he's a almost out of here.

Posted by: luvdc808 | April 9, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

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