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Meg Carries The Day (A Must Read)

Hey ya'll, I've been working from home and on Chloe duty today - Howard is holding down the fort at The Park - so I just got a chance to pot while my wacky baby finally takes her nap (Please, let it be one of those two-hour jobs).

I'm trying to catch my breath a lil bit ont he bye week, but don't want us to lose our momentum, either.

I have a good entry I am working on about the defense that I will post either tonight or in the AM, depending on Chloe's sleep sked, but in the meantime, please check out Meg's thorough evaluation of the Skins QB situation, as viewed through the lens of Coach Joe's past undying loyalty to his veteran starters.

Again, sorry for the late posting. Once the team is back to their normal schedule next week, promise I will be, too. (you mnight want to cut and paste this into a word fil if at work and make it look like it's part of your normal work, cause it's long. then of course, please hop back to the blog to discuss, right?)

So, with any delay, I hand the ball of the our Queen Bee, the honorable Megskin.


Megskin writes:

As a fan it's hard to be objective, your emotions swallow you up, eat at you until your stomach is raw and you're ready to hurl. It's hard to watch your team lose and try to figure out, from an objective viewpoint, what has gone wrong. Is it because we have aged quarterback? Is it the offense? Is it the defense? Is it the coaching, or is it all of these things? Why won't Gibbs just bench Brunell and have a shot at it with Campbell? Heck, even The Tuna ditched his starter, right? In the swirling cloud of frustration that are my thoughts these days, there was this nagging feeling, a feeling that I had seen all of this before. That somehow, all of Gibbs loyalty and stubbornness, the Redskins inconsistent play on offense and defense, all of this was eerily familiar.

I made a joke a week or two ago that Gibbs wasn't going to ditch Brunell unless he broke his leg. I made that comment in jest, but part of me, somewhere deep down inside, feels it's true. No way is he going to switch him out, he's always relied on experienced quarterbacks. The Theismann switch was brought on by LT breaking his leg on Monday Night Football, thus ensuring that Gibbs had to play an inexperienced backup in Jay Schroeder.

I was only fifteen then, but I do remember being unhappy with Theismann and I remember plenty of people calling for his head. The fan favorite at the time was third stringer Babe Laufenberg who was unceremoniously cut at the end of the pre-season. But were my memories correct? Twenty-one years can sometimes play tricks on your mind. Heck, we won the Super Bowl two years later; the Skins couldn't have been all that bad right? Maybe Theismann himself really wasn't all that bad.

So, I went back and took a look at the numbers, the quotes, the scores, game by game, to see how they panned out. How bad was it really back then? Was Gibbs as deluded as some of us believe? What did he say when questioned on his quarterbacks play?

According to articles back then, the '85 team was loaded with talent. The previous year the Skins had gone to the playoffs, only to be knocked out by the Bears. The year before that, they had lost in the Super Bowl, and the year before that they had won it. Riggo was returning, and though he was at the tail-end of his career, GM Bobby Beatherd had gone out and gotten George Rogers from the Saints to spell him. We had Art Monk who had just set a record with 106 receptions; this back in the day when 100 receptions was unthinkable. And two years before Riggins had set the rushing record for touchdowns with 24. A lot of people expected them to, if not get to the Super Bowl, at least go deep in the playoffs.

After starting the pre-season 4-0, the real season kicked off with a game at Texas stadium on Monday Night Football. Joe Theismann's 36th birthday. The Redskins, to put it politely, got stomped 44-14 and the game wound down with the stadium's organ playing 'Happy Birthday' to Joe, the crowd singing along, and once Theismann was pulled (I guess five interceptions is enough for even Gibbs), chanting "We want Joe." Theismann's stats for the game: 15 of 35 for 206 yards, one touchdown, and five interceptions. That's right: five. He was lucky it wasn't seven as the Cowboys flat out dropped two of them. Schroeder even made an appearance, but blew his chance to make something of it by having his very first pass intercepted and returned for a touchdown. Back to the bench with him.

And are we surprised these days that the players stick up for Brunell? Well, we shouldn't. Here's offensive lineman Russ Grimm after that Dallas game: ""I really don't know what happened. Maybe we got all of the kinks out in the first game. Joe might not throw another interception for the rest of the year. All I know is that I still want him as my quarterback." How's that for drinking the Kool-Aid?

How was the running game you ask? Well, the newly acquired Rogers carried 13 times for 47 yards and Riggins, suffering from a strained right hamstring, didn't play enough to get warrant a mention of stats. "They outplayed us and out coached us," said Gibbs. Someone even had the balls to ask Theismann to evaluate his performance, to which he replied: "I'm not into evaluations."

The very next week against a woeful Oilers team Theismann almost blew the entire game by throwing an interception that was returned for what would have been the winning touchdown. It was brought back because of a penalty when one of the Oilers ran into him near the goal line.

The Skins narrowly scraped by with a 16-13 win as the Oiler's kicker, Zendajas, who had been brought in by the Redskins in the pre-season to try and beat out Mark Mosely (boy, we seem to enjoy kicking games in this organization don't we?), missed two field goals and a Warren Moon touchdown pass was incorrectly called out-of-bounds. The Skins, mind you, led this game 16-0 at one point.

The dual threat of Rogers and Riggins weren't anything spectacular but managed to pull through with Riggins getting 84 yards on 16 carries and Rogers 78 yards on 15 carries.

Joey T's numbers for the game were 15 of 22, one touchdown, one interception, two fumbles and got booed by Redskins Nation continually in the second half. Gibbs on Theismann: "I have more respect for him in the bad times than good." Theismann's QB rating at this point? A whopping 43.2, second worst in the league. OK, so things couldn't have been that bad, someone is worse than Joe right, someone like the Eagles quarterback Randal Cunningham with a 16.9. Well, it just so happens the Skins played the Eagles that very next week.

Let's just say the Skins lost, 19-6. Apparently this game was so bad that Redskins Nation began booing Theismann after the first possession and never stopped. His stats for the day, a noodle-armed 15 of 34 for 124 yards and the offense, by the end of the game, had not scored in seven quarters. Gibbs yet again didn't place any of the blame of Theismann. "I went through all (the) passing plays . . . and I don't attribute very many of (the problems) to Joe," said Gibbs. Most of the passes, just like they are these days, were safe, short ones; primarily to Art Monk.

Think we weren't having defensive problems back then? It wasn't all the offenses fault, just ask Cunningham: "In the second half, I just sat back in the pocket. I didn't even need to run." Sound familiar to anyone?

The running backs were mostly ineffectual, Riggins running 12 times for 32 yards. Rogers did better with 11 carries for 72 yards but gave up a crucial fumble to the Eagles who scored three plays later to go up 16 to 6.

The Redskins record at this point: 1 win, 2 losses. Sam and Sonny discussed panicking the other week. Anyone think it was time to panic back then? "It's never time to panic. We have a lot of football left," said Theismann. Coach Gibbs, what are you guys going to work on in preparation for the 3 and 0 Bears? "We placed a bit more emphasis on our passing game this week, in addition to a few other things we felt needed work." said Gibbs. And on the defensive side of the ball: "On defense, it's been our tackling. When we have a team backed up, we have to work on keeping them in the hole. We know we haven't played great, and we're playing a great team Sunday."

The game with the Bears was played at Soldier Field in Chicago: we all know where this is going right? At one point we were even up ten to nothing on the Bears, the team that had knocked us out of the playoffs the previous year, only to have Theismann shank his infamous one yard punt and then suddenly the Bears rattle off 31 points in the second quarter, "You could write an article that says Theismann is over the hill, Gibbs is over the hill, the team is too old, they've changed too many parts, these guys are gone, it's overconfidence, it's underconfidence, they are playing scared, they are playing . . . you name it. And it would all make sense."

By this point the Skins are 1-3 and Joey T has completed just 50.8 percent of his passes, thrown two touchdowns and nine interceptions. He had also been sacked 11 times along with three fumbles. Theismann: "This is a transition period . . . we're in search of an identity." And coach Gibbs, "I'm constantly thinking, 'What are the problems?' "

The next week the Redskins trounced the Cardinals by finally pulling together a cohesive effort with Riggins and Rogers. Riggo carried the ball 17 times for 103 yards, Rogers 25 times for 104 yards. The defense finally stood up with five interceptions, one fumble recovery and pummeled old Neil Lomax for four sacks. Three of them by Charles Mann himself. So how'd old Joe do? A Brunell like 11 for 20 and 83 yards.

Sad to say I don't have any of Theismann's stats for the Lion's game, but I think it will be sufficient to say that the Skins trounced them 24-3 behind the resurrected Hogs and Riggo who ran for 114 yards and three touchdowns. Imagine that, our running backs go over one hundred yards and we win. Sounds like a formula for success. The game also featured the first stand up playing by Gary Clark, with his classic over the middle catches. Redskins record: an even 3 and 3.

Next up, the Giants. No, this wasn't the fateful Monday night game, this one was a 17-3 loss in the Meadowlands, a game which had Theismann throwing three interceptions, two of the stinkers right in Giants end zone. The Giants number one rated defense sacked Joey T seven times. At this point in the season he had completed 54.9 percent of his passes and thrown 12 interceptions. Gibbs on Theismann after the game when the press asked him if he would be benched: "I have absolutely no doubts about Joe."

How about the running game you ask? A whopping 69 yards. Is it any wonder we lost.

And for those L.T. fans, that was the game that brought him out his slump. He recorded 11 tackles and 2 sacks.

The next week the Skins beat Bernie Kosar (his rookie year) and the Browns 14-3 with another standout performance by Riggo, 112 yards rushing, and Gary Clark once again stepping up the plate(why-O-why isn't baseball over yet people?). A relieved Gibbs after the game, "I don't really care these days how we do it,[...] I'm not sure we can look pretty this year."

Next week the Skins stomped on the lowly 1-7 Atlanta Falcons by a score of 44-10. How did they do it? By running the ball of course: George Rogers had 124 yards and reserve running back Keith Griffin (anyone remember him?) 164. Average yardage per carry for the Skins, a groin crushing 8.3. Ouch, sounds like good old Redskins football to me.

Theismann for the day was only 13 of 24 for 178, a nice big zero in the interception column. And for Art Monk fans he ended up with 6 catches for 106 yards, his first hundred yard game of the season. George Rogers had 106 yards rushing in the first half alone. Riggo sat out the game with towel on his head, resting his back. Theismann's yards per pass attempt at this point of the year, an anemic 4.48.

Up again it's the Cowboys, this time at home. You thought the fist game was against the Cowboys was bad right? Could it get any worse? Well, a loss of 13-7 doesn't sound too bad until you look at the numbers. The power running game that had paid off so well? A mind-boggling 16 yards. Yup, that's right, sixteen.

The passing game? Theismann was 14 of 31 for 195 yards, was sacked six times (Jim Jeffcoat getting five of them) and threw three interceptions. Think that's bad, how about he didn't even complete a pass until the last minute of the third quarter. Asked about the play of his quarterback Gibbs said: "I think Joe was fighting his guts out."

November 18 th , 1985. Monday Night Football at RFK, the Giants vs. Redskins. I remember it like it was yesterday. Everyone in my house crowded around the television, deadly silent, L.T. waving to sidelines looking panicked. How anyone ever thought he was taunting the Redskins bench I'll never know. As soon as I saw the way he was gesturing I knew it was bad, jeebus, even Al Michaels knew it.

For those of you who never saw it, the Redskins ran a flea-flicker: Theismann to Riggo back to Theismann. The Giants weren't fooled at all on the play and the pocket crumbled right away. Theismann stepped up to make the throw and LT grabbed ahold and fell forward. LT's thigh and hip fell onto the back of Theismann's lower leg, snapping it in two and ending his career.

Theismann's numbers on the night: 7 for 10, 50 yards and he had been sacked three times.

So, what about Jay Schroeder, the third rounder out of UCLA? The guy who had only thrown 8 passes his whole career? He came in and his first pass was to none other than Art Monk. A bomb that Monk caught and tumbled to the ground: 44 yards. Compared to Theismann he had a cannon for an arm. The first play of the second half? Another 50-yard bomb to Art Monk. Schroeder's numbers for the night: 13 of 20 for 221 yards, one touchdown, and he threw the game winner, a 14 yard pass to Clint Didier. The Redskins win, 23-21.

All this from a guy who had never, that's right, never taken a snap with the offense in practice. During halftime Gibbs asked him if he wanted the game plan cut down and Schroeder told him no. "Don't shorten it down for me," said Schroeder "Everybody else has been working on it all week. I'll adjust to them."

The Skins then traveled to Three River stadium where they beat the Steelers. Schroeder was 15 of 28, 164 yards one touchdown, no interceptions and no sacks. What about Jay there coach? Gibbs: "It's hard for me to keep from getting too excited about him."

Really there was nothing else too exciting that season. The Skins went 5-1 under Schroeder in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs and Redskins Nation ended up having to root for the Cowboys to beat the 49ers to get in--which didn't happen.

So how did the two quarterbacks do by the seasons end? Schroeder was 112 of 209 for 1,458 yards 6.98 yards per attempt, five touchdowns, five interceptions and a quarterback rating of 73.8. Theismann was 167 of 301 (55%) for 1774 yards, 5.89 yards per attempt, 8 touchdowns and 16 interceptions. A quarterback rating of 59.6.

The reign of Jay Schroeder didn't last long. Gibbs went out and got veteran quarterback Doug Williams, who eventually replaced Schroeder in the '87 playoffs and took the Redskins to the Superbowl. But what about Rypien you say? He wasn't a veteran, right? Well, he turned pro in '86 but, and I'm sure you can guess this, he held a clipboard for two years on the sidelines before getting his chance in '88. Even after that it still took him two years to beat out Williams for the starting job, but that's a story for another time.

So you, I, the guy next to you on the subway can all wish, pray, and sacrifice chickens in the hopes that Gibbs is going to make a quarterback change, but you know what? Unless someone breaks a leg, I wouldn't bet on Gibbs making a change.



By Jason La Canfora  |  October 25, 2006; 2:06 PM ET
 
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Jla,

I asked on the other post but has Danny totally cut off all contact with media?

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Well written article Meg. I enjoyed it.

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 1:18 PM | Report abuse

(you mnight want to cut and paste this into a word fil if at work and make it look like it's part of your normal work, cause it's long. then of course, please hop back to the blog to discuss, right?)

Classic! Good to know you are looking out for us. Now let me read what the Queen had to say

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Skinz, I'm still cringing over some typos. No matter how many times I check, I always miss something or wish I had done it differently.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see JC get some more reps during the bye week and be named the #2 QB for Dallas. I think that would be a nice step in building JC's confidence, giving him the experience of preparing for a game knowing that he is 1 snap away from going in due to an injury to Brunell, and will give Gibbs the flexibility to put JC in during a blowout. Then, if the Skins lose the next 2 or 3 games, Gibbs will be able to point to JC's progress in naming him the starter.

Posted by: CMoney | October 25, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

From www.profootballtalk.com:

POSTED 9:15 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 11:59 a.m. EDT, October 25, 2006

TUG-O-WAR COMING FOR FISHER?

We mentioned in this space on Tuesday rumors that Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has been making overtures toward Titans coach Jeff Fisher as the potential successor to Bill Parcells.

We've now been informed by an industry source of talk that Redskins owner Dan Snyder also has his eye on Fisher.

Per the source, the rumor is that Snyder would buy out the provision in the contract of defensive coordinator Gregg Williams that promises him a seven-figure sum if he's not the next head coach, and then go after Fisher -- if, of course, Joe Gibbs doesn't come back for 2007.

Posted by: CMoney | October 25, 2006 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I believe "Mr." Snyder has a long-standing policy of not commenting to the media during the season.

Frankly, I criticize "Mr." Snyder every now and then, but I find this policy admirable, to say the least. He's The Boss, he shouldn't be playing out internal discussions in the media. And as The Boss, anything he says will no doubt be misconstrued as people read tea leaves with his words.

And as much as I criticize "Mr." Snyder (and needle him with the quotes :-) ), I actually do like the guy quite a bit. He reminds me a lot of my boss, a man I and many people admire to no end.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 25, 2006 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and good job Meg.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 25, 2006 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh thank God -- a new thread.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Fisher is a great coach, no question about it. But in the unlikely event that St. Joe were to leave early (which I have trouble believing), I would sincerely hope that "Mr." Snyder would try and unearth an assistant somewhere who is hungry, has something to prove, and can use the 'Skins as a steppingstone to a career. Think Reid, Gruden, Mora, etc.

My personal business philosophy is to always hire people who are smart and talented, and put them in huge stretch assignments where their healthy egos would never let them fail.

Heck, it worked for Mr. Cooke and a young dude named Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 25, 2006 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Megskin, wonderful piece. You really are working towards your own wp.com blog.

Do you think you would get a regular commenter with the handle JlaC?

Thank you both.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 25, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Good one Meg, I was wondering what you had been up to....

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Great work Megskins as always.

Lisa now you know why I said Brunell needs to get injured during the Cowboys game. Awful to say yes, but it is very much needed.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Agreed P. Diddy,

You don't have to go that far back. How about Peyton and Mangini.

I'm far more concerned with having a GM than a coach. Get a GM and let him hire a coach.

Of course i'm not ready to pile dirt on St. Joe just yet. He's earned my loyalty. I just hope he gets away from this Grandpa role of backing players and sticks a poker up someones A$$.

He's shown that he can check his ego and hire someone for playcalling. Let's hope he can do the same for personell.

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 1:43 PM | Report abuse

hey there. gots to make this quick cause I can here Chloe rattling here crib.
The Snyder doesn't much talk to the media, unless you are a hack from Washingtonian who agrees to bunch of journalistically barren ground rules and agrees to write a horrific buff piece devoid of any caliber of actual reporting.
And actually, I prefer it this way. One less thing to worry about on the beat.

PFT has beeb beating that Fischer drum all season. I don't see it happened for many, many reasons, which I can post later if I get a second.

And lastly, Meg, never sweat typos on this blog, girlfriend. They're what make us, us.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 25, 2006 1:44 PM | Report abuse

And lastly, Meg, never sweat typos on this blog,

They bring back bad memories of my mother spanking me with a copy of Strunk&White. I always hated that book; no wonder I enjoy abusing the English language.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 1:47 PM | Report abuse

So does Snyder step up and tell Joe to bench Brunell? I'm sure Cooke wasn't very patient but I doubt Snyder is going to spend the next year and a half watching Brunell throw 3-5 yard dinks.

Posted by: David | October 25, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

That is some insightful and interesting, albeit somewhat depressing, information that you provided Megskins.

This team needs an identity, it also needs an ON THE FIELD leader - right now they have neither. Brunell does nothing for me, but I'm not playing. I'm pretty convinced he does nothing for the players either.

Jason Campbell needs a chance to play. Is it possible, though, that Gibbs is worried that his underachieving line is a huge factor in Campbell's delayed start? Either way, its pretty obvious we overpaid (in draft picks) for the kid - but I guess the Redskins MO.

Posted by: bringbacktheposse89854726 | October 25, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Megs - that was one rather fantastic piece of writing and research. Hats off to you!

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 25, 2006 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Well done, Meg, well done. Funny how history has a way of repeating itself.

Posted by: gasbag | October 25, 2006 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Amazing.

Do you have newspaper articles from '85 or do you work for the NSA? Any chance you know if my dad cheated on my mom? He traveled a lot.

Seriously, amazing job.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 25, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll take a broken leg...hell, I'll do it myself if need be. I just can't take it anymore! Put Randle El back there if need be...just no more Brunell.

I anticipate a similar situation in two weeks to that against Cincy a couple years ago. Brunell is one skip pass away from being booed off the field forcing Joe to make a switch. Though, we'd probably see Collins in such a scenerio, so we can find out how well he know that playbook.

Posted by: Josh F. | October 25, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

And, kudos...both well written and slightly depressing at the same time

Posted by: Josh F. | October 25, 2006 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Meg.
Some fantastic history there.
I really appreciate the time and effort that went into that stroll down memory lane (and for those of us like me who were still toddlers, just the stroll).
Here's the problem - time isn't on Gibbs side anymore. Back in the 80's he could wait around for a Rypien to develop. These days, he's got the age pushing 70 and Pat pushing him out the door of Redskins Park. I don't see Gibbs waiting around to develop Campbell. This leaves Skins Nations two options: 1) No more Gibbs after this year or 2) A new veteran QB for all of us to hate on.

Posted by: Scott (DC) | October 25, 2006 1:56 PM | Report abuse

hi meg, i'm sorry but i'm not going to read your piece or peace because it's way way too long for my ADD attention span. if it came with a free bottle of ritalin maybe. but i'm sure it's great. as you are a good writer.

btw meg, if you have any more free time i could sure use your help with my 2 year old.

and jason, yes baby those 2 hour naps rock! unfortunately way too infrequent unless they're with their maamas.

hey where's editor?

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Well done, Meg. Interesting parallels btw the two QBs.

Biggest difference, to me, is that Theismann earned that loyalty by winning a Super Bowl for Gibbs. Brunell apparently earned it by driving him to the ER. Seriously, aside for a couple big-time throws against Dallas last season, there's nothing anyone can point to on the field that suggests this is a championship quarterback.

I'm heartened by the fact that he benched Brunell in 2004 and let Ramsey play. If he'd put in a guy he didn't really like, hopefully he'll consider playing the QB that he traded up for.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Outstanding post, Meg.

Posted by: Rain Man | October 25, 2006 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Cmoney, if you believe ANYTHING you read on Profootballtalk.com, you need some serious help.

They don't just go with rumors, they simply report their own wild speculation as fact. Their lack of credibility is mind blowing.

Posted by: PFT Sux | October 25, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Excellent write megskin. I am hungry for more.

Posted by: X.Hog | October 25, 2006 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Do you have newspaper articles from '85

Nope, no need to. Just head on down to the local library.

Brunell is one skip pass away from being booed off the field forcing Joe to make a switch.

Part of the point of the article is that, even if Brunell is booed (And fans were screaming for Theismann's head), Gibbs isn't going to make a switch.

If Gibbs wasn't pulling Theismann when he had a rating of 58.9, had thrown twice as many interceptions as touchdowns, was fumbling left and right, getting sacked everytime he dropped back to throw, what makes you think he's going to pull Brunell?

I'm not asking that to be snarky or antagonistic, it's an honest question. Joey T had horrendous year, much worse than Brunell is having now. Nothing in Gibbs history has suggested to me that he'd bench him in favor of a "rookie". Yes, maybe after Campbell has held a clipboard for two years he'll take a look at him--but only because that's what he did with Ryp.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Sigh, illusion shattering. I was thinking of those days of my youth as much more halcyon and triumphant, but when you're right you're right and no fog of time can obscure the evidence.
So, let's pretend that we did have draft picks. What would we do to improve this team, and Campbell's chances? Do we draft o-line? Do we draft defense? Do we draft another qb, seeing as apparently it takes 3-5 years to have them bake to perfection?

I guess Denver will draft for us.

Posted by: Helmfish | October 25, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I love PFT. My day doesn't start until I've had a cup of coffee, read Jason's latest and checked out the rumor mill.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Helmfish

Take the blue pill and believe whatever you want. If someone offers the red pill. Run like hell!! lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Nice work, Meg. Those who do not learn from history...

I've been beating the Fisher drum lately. He sure wouldn't have a problem running Portis 25 times a game. Drop some knowledge, JLaC.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 25, 2006 2:14 PM | Report abuse

great writing meg, thumbs up for the researching done

Posted by: the drinker | October 25, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Nah, I'll take the burgundy pill. We tore up the NFL in my first full decade and a half, we were always feared, we still are feared in the NFL, and none of our qbs ever gave themselves a concussion. Oh yeah, and it's known as the octagon. that's the burgundy pill I'm taking.

no blue so close to the dallas game.

Posted by: Helmfish | October 25, 2006 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Wes Mantooth

I really don't think it matters who the coach is. With Brunell as the QB teams will continue to put 8-9 guys in the box to stop the run. Until that changes there is not going to be much room for him to run.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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And that was only after Doug Williams had an emergency appendectomy ...

Posted by: SKIN28 | October 25, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We should draft D-Line, but we will probably draft a corner instead.

Can you believe Kenard Lang is the only 1st round DE we've drafted in the past decade? It's rare to find good DLs in free agency. Griffin is an aberation. We were LUCKY to land that guy. Most of them end up like Andre Carter.

For some reason, the Skins don't like to draft linemen with high picks. That's why they'll probably draft another corner.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

He only took a look at Ryp after Doug Williams had an emergency appendectomy

Posted by: SKIN28 | October 25, 2006 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Re: PFT, I disagree. They are usually the first with breaking news, contract details, etc; their rumors are accurate more times than not; and sure they specualate (like the entry specualting that the JC era will begin soon), but when they are speculating, they admit that they are speculating.

Posted by: PFT supporter | October 25, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Meg,

Nice work on the article.

Joe,

Do you know how many picks we have? I'm almost positive that we are without a 2nd (Rocky Mac) deal, without a 3rd (after Duckett deal with Denver completed), without a 4th (B. Lloyd deal). That leaves us with a 1st, and maybe a 5th, 6th, and 7th, where you really, really need to luck out.

Rounds 1-3 and maybe 4 are key. Yet year after year we continue to have 1 first day pick.

That is not only reckless, but to quote the great Joe Buck, "that is a disgusting act" that makes me sick to my stomach. Not as sick as seeing Pub Golf's gf from Indy, but pretty damn queasy.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 25, 2006 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Great post Meg - at least they were fightin their guts out back then too. Clint Didier......man, that brings back some memories.

If Gibbs was behind Joe T though all that, there is slim to no chance he'll pull Mark now. At least he's consistent.

Posted by: CO Skins Fan | October 25, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

IM BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!! NOW THAT MY OWN BOOHOO BOX IS EMPTY,LET ME POINT OUT THAT EVERYTIME YOU KNUCKLEHEADS BUST ON BOYS YOUR BUSTING WORST ON YOURSELF,THE BOYS WOOOOOOOOOOPED YOUR TEAM SO YOU MUST REALLY SUCK!!ALSO IF YOU THINK CAMPBELL WOULD DO ANY BETTER GETTING THROWN IN AT HALF THEN GIVE ME SOME OF WHAT YOUR SMOKING!!LASTLY, DONT SLEEP ON THIS ROMO KID.I GUARANTEE HE WILL DO BETTER THAN CAMPBELL EVER WILL!!!THATS A FACT!!hehehahahehahehahehahahaheha PEACE OUT!

Posted by: BOOFER | October 25, 2006 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Any chance the Skins go 2 & 11 - look at their upcoming games. Who can they beat on this list - maybe the Falcons?:

11/5 vs. Cowboys

11/12 @ Eagles

11/19 @ Buccaneers

11/26 vs. Panthers

12/3 vs. Falcons

12/10 vs. Eagles

Posted by: David | October 25, 2006 2:32 PM | Report abuse

and don't forget that St. Brunell saved St. Joe's life during that "recruiting trip" to Jax in '04... don't think Joey T can say the same.

"GREEN 40!!!!! GREEN 40!!!!!" it will be.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 25, 2006 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, you are correct, sir. I think it's going to be 1, 5, 6, 7. That is, until we trade the rest of them away. It is like Metallica warned us, sad but true.

The Duckett trade could end up just costing us 1st round position, in which case we might keep the 3rd. Maybe that would be the best scenario because at least we'd have 2 first day picks. First day picks should be immediate starters for this sorry lot.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 2:37 PM | Report abuse

- at least they were fightin their guts out back then too

You know, I was dying to find a quote like that. I was beginning to think this wasn't even the same person. Until I ran across that quote of course. It took every amount of willpower I had to keep a snarky comment out of what I was writing.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It took every amount of willpower I had to keep a snarky comment out of what I was writing.

No need to include the snarky comment.....it speaks for itself!

Posted by: CO Skins Fan | October 25, 2006 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It snarks on its own!

Posted by: Helmfish | October 25, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Though I would definately agree with you that Gibbs is unlikely to make a switch under his own volition, he did make the switch to Ramsey, who, as was pointed out in earlier posts, Gibbs was far from fond of. Plus he's got to be getting an ear full from Saunders to play his guy. But, more importantly, Gibbs isn't the same guy. The rhetoric is the same, but he seems a little detached and is more of a figure-head than a head coach.
His stubborness is amazing. I have likened it only to that of our dear leader, George W. Bush. Which would make Brunell Gibb's War in Iraq (of course to a lesser degree of global importance, but perhaps of equal devastation in the DC area). He will "stay the course" even as the situation appears to get worse by the day. The completion record appears to be his "mission accomplished" banner or possibly the general elections, but it is all window dressing for a disaster. But, it is at the point where it is time to "cut and run" on Brunell.

Posted by: Josh F. | October 25, 2006 2:45 PM | Report abuse

RB,

Take it easy buddy, or I'll call your live in and tell you tried to make out w/ How Bry at PF Changs.

Does anyone know WHY JG hates youth??? Continously dumping the drafts, ignoring the young QB's, etc. The way to start as a rook on the field wks 1-6 is to be a Grilliams Guru! (or pettibone back in the day)

I can't believe I'm hoping Brunentrum Silver gets hurt tonight. Is Tanya Harding still around? How bout her thug BF? I guess I'll have to suck it up and make the video...

Megskin, you're in the CIA, can't you just make him disappear? Library, that's funny. I thought they turned all those archaic ensemble's of soon to be recyclable's into internet cafes?

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | October 25, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Although I'm not a Snyder fan, it does seem like he has taken a step back since Gibbs came on board. We never see him on the sideline being interviewed - unlike Jerry Jones with Michele Tafoya Monday night. That was just stupid.

Why would we want Fisher? It's been several years since he had a winning team...of course he did have to basically start over again last season after cutting all those players due to cap problems.

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2006 2:49 PM | Report abuse

No need to include the snarky comment.....it speaks for itself!

That's why I left it alone, I didn't want to dilute it. As Hemlmfish said: It snarks on its own.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Great job Meg. Nice article. Gibb is a stubborn cuss.

Bill Williamson of the Denver Post wrote about the Fisher rumor a few weeks ago also. I don't trust him when it comes to the skins though. He said they'd be 3-13 last year and the year before that he said that in addition to Sean Taylor's off-the-field problems there were rumors of him being a bust on-the-field. Does that qualify him for bama status or more chooch (sp) like?

Posted by: skinswest | October 25, 2006 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Danny isn't allowed on the field during games. No owner is. J-squared is the lone exception because he named himself GM before that rule was passed so he is in essense "grandfathered".

Don't say grandfathered around him. He is likely to take it the wrong way and get 10k more of plastic surgery.

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

jm220 - Agreed. Changing the QB goes without saying, but should have been said nonetheless. I'd still like to see the ball stuck in CP's gut 25 times a game, and Fisher would do it.

Why Fisher? I just think he's a good coach. Always liked the guy. And yes, the Titans have been torn apart...they are truly experiencing Cap Hell.

Posted by: Wes Mantooth | October 25, 2006 3:01 PM | Report abuse

All nonsense. Gibbs stays for 5 years. Al Saunders is the next head coach (bank on it) and Grilliams takes the buyout and goes to coach Arizona. Fact.

Posted by: The Governor | October 25, 2006 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Meg - amazing article! That was my first season as an offical fan - i.e. I watched every game and kinda understood and I bought a hat which I still wear every single Sunday. Thanks for the memories . . . particularly Art Monk's genius on 3rd downs.

Posted by: sfskin | October 25, 2006 3:06 PM | Report abuse

That was a very nice piece by megskin. I agree with her. Gibbs is not likely to pull MB unless he gets injured and JC will never get in a game as long as he continues to be listed as the 3rd QB.

What really puzzles me is the demise of the defense. Defensive line cannot apply pressure; linebacker play is horrible and none of them can rush the passer; defensive backs cannot cover or rush and nobody can make a tackle to save their soul. What has happened? Some of those guys playing against Indy looked so outclassed that they couldn't make a 1-A college team. That guy Rumph? was just frozen on a short TD pass - he never moved forward, backward of sideways and just let the receiver run past him for the catch. Is this what we have picked up to replace players like Champ Bailey and Fred Smoot?

There are not enough draft choices in three years for the Skins to replace all the deadwood on this team.

From some of the articles I read earlier this year, I thought that Carter and Archuleta (sic?) would improve the pass rush and pass coverage - NOT. Who evaluated those players before we signed them? I know that Carter had been switched to linebacker and is switching back to end but he shows nothing - no speed rush; no bull rush and no playing the run. Unfortunately the linebacker playing that side is also invisible most of the time.

I've gone on long enough but I'm still frustrated by the deadskins.


Posted by: oldskinsfan | October 25, 2006 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Nice writing/researching, Meg!

(I still say it isn't all Brunell's fault -as I sit here in my corner of one.)

Posted by: Dana C. | October 25, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

J squared = Satan. Fact.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

None of this discussion matters anyway, does it? We have future Hall of Famer Nick Novashank on our team!

Buck up campers!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Dana C,

You are not alone....I've been saying the same thing about Brunell all along - and everyone on this blog has been giving me a hard time.

Yes, Brunell certainly has his problems but he is not the sole reason we are losing. Personally, I blame the defense for our demise. The past two seasons they carried us no matter if the offense was woeful but no more. Guess they got tired of carrying the load.

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2006 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Bill Williamson's comments definitely bama-fy him.

Too bad I think Ron English is being groomed to eventually take over my Wolverines, or else I'd like him to take over our D if the prediction outlined by the Gov were to come true.

"All nonsense. Gibbs stays for 5 years. Al Saunders is the next head coach (bank on it) and Grilliams takes the buyout and goes to coach Arizona. Fact."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | October 25, 2006 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Verbally" abused as a child
Our Queen Bee now goes buck wild
Ranting and raving
Feeding our craving
Who here hasn't yet smiled?

Posted by: MV Dame | October 25, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

St. Joe goes on and on in his drone
Eliciting a collective groan
There is so much crap
Coming out of his yap
He leaves skid marks on the microphone

Posted by: MV Dame | October 25, 2006 3:26 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you have compition. Watch out. Meg you rock.

Posted by: go skins go | October 25, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

i think we have to give this defense one (last) more game to show what they're really about. Considering Salave'a and Griffin will be completely healthy, they'll absorb more attention of the O-line...and who knows? Interstate 99 (a. carter) and Route 57 (take a guess) might not be so open for those runs. It will be the first game where all 11 defensive starters will be completely healthy.

Hopefully it'll be McIntosh instead of Holdman.

Posted by: k-man | October 25, 2006 3:31 PM | Report abuse

...You are not alone....I've been saying the same thing about Brunell all along - and everyone on this blog has been giving me a hard time. ...

lisa, i never gave you a hard time. everyone thinks the way you think. the only thing is we don't want a 5-11 or a 6-10 season or even an 8-8 season at this point. everyone knows that kid's going to make more mistakes than brunell. BUT it's better to do it this year than go thru this whole process next year.

if not skins can draft another qb or two in next year's draft.

yes, brunell was the best qb for this team at the start but not at 2-5.

i'm hoping that jeff fisher story is true. no skins gm rumors to go along with fisher?

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:32 PM | Report abuse

maybe campbell isnt any good and thays why gibbs wont make switch,just because he was a #1 draft pick.so was ramseydoesnt make them good.campbell was rated no better than late 3rd early 4th redskins dont know how to draft and thats why they trade for other teams players.

Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT | October 25, 2006 3:35 PM | Report abuse

and it's not just brunell.

it's the whole structure of the team.

i'll say it again. it's a slap in the face of the nfl the way they're trying to buy a championship.

only problem was that danny let gibbs go after brunell. was religion the deciding factor in all this? i mean there had to be good veteran qb's out there. *thinking of one* the most important piece of the puzzle (when you don't have a defense that doesn't score.).

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Brunell may have been the best qb for this team in 1996. Not today. Not last year. Not the year before that. He's bad at his job.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Just A Thought,

I think that is exactly why Gibbs will not switch...he's not sure about Campbell...and has no relationship with Collins.

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2006 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Jaws on ESPN break down some game film of MB...

I know a lot of us see it, but I can't believe that others simply deny, or just don't see, MB staring down the primary receiver OR refusing to look down field OR checking off on 3rd and long without fully going through the progression.

Man, all this talk makes me feel like dunkey doo... I think I'm going to put on some sx panther, head out to the bars, and strike out on some chicks.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 25, 2006 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh it's time for the speech again.

No one is saying that JC gives us a better chance to win. (Although I and others would agrue that we don't feel the drop off would be that great.)

No one is saying that JC is going to be great. Our only point are these:

1. The season is teetering seriously on the brink and some kind of spark is needed. Given that Rocky and JC are really the only viable options what other choice do we have.

2. If JC is going to suck, even more reason to play him now and realize it. This gives us a chance to go into the offseason with a greater idea of our team. Again unknown commodity-bad. Known commodity-good.

3. Brunell just isn't good and is getting worse not better. I believe he is so risk averse that i'd take the int's from Cambell provided it would extend the field a bit and open up lanes for CP.

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news:

It's been confirmed that France has contacted Santana Moss about becoming captain of their 2010 World Cup team.

Posted by: MV Dame | October 25, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

from all the interviews this is what i believe:
1. campbell isn't doing that well in practices
2. joe won't go to him because he isn't doin well
3. joe knows if he says so then he's taking a shot at himself (mr. gm)
4. so that's why they keep saying "he's our future" but deep down they know they might've made a mistake and gave up a lot for it. so they're trying to do something AMAZING (like win a superbowl) to create a distraction so when the time comes and we all know JC isn't any good no one would have that big of a problem with the JC fiasco.
5. if gibbs believed in brunell that much then he wouldn't have selected a qb for 3/4 draft picks? or he is that stupid as the gm?

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:45 PM | Report abuse

justathought, he was not "rated a 3rd or 4th". Your name is boofer and you're a chooch if you think that. He was rated a late 1 or maybe early 2. He was lauded as having more upside than the guys that went in front of him (Smith, Rodgers).

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 3:47 PM | Report abuse

skinz, WHY GO TO JC NOW?
that was a FAQ ALERT!

someone put that in the FAQ list.

dude, you too are a good writer. i should've paid more attention in my communication classes at pgcc.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The French don't have a captain. They have 11.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 3:51 PM | Report abuse

joe, calm down! i was saying joe gave up either 3 or 4 picks for him. and why in the world would you give up that many picks for a position that you feel comfortable about? is joe that stupid as the gm? or that impulsive? because he went there to look at rodgers not at a qb. but fell in love with his "fade".

that's what i'm saying.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

dealer-

1. And neither you nor I would know that. There is an alternate explanation for why JC is on the bench even if he is doing well in practice and with the minimal reps he gets: Joe Gibbs is loyal (sometimes to a fault) to his quarterbacks. An extensive discussion of that point is in the above post, so I won't bore you with the gory details.

2. See above.

3. I sure hope this isn't true because that would mean Gibbs is putting his ego in front of this team. Given that he just handed play calling duties to Al Saunders, I find this conclusion highly unreasonable.

4. "so they're trying to do something AMAZING (like win a superbowl)"

I don't think there ever existed a coach in NFL history who wasn't trying to win a Superbowl, and they didn't need a blooming QB controversy to motivate them towards that goal. If Gibbs is trying to "Wag the Dog" of Campbell's failure with a miraculous superbowl win, he's doing a piss poor job of it. We're 2-5 man.

5. I do not think Gibbs is stupid. I believe that JC will one day be a star as he was an incredibly talented College Quarterback. From regression analyses of quarterbacks who make successful transitions from College to the Pros, you can track that success merely by following two key stats: 1. Games started. 2. Completion percentage. Jason Campbell excells in both.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | October 25, 2006 3:54 PM | Report abuse

i finally got the #89 joke....ha ha...fifa lovers out there!

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Head butt haha,

Really doesn't matter. The azzurri add a 5th star in S. Africa. Unless we are lucky and they bring it to the US.

Posted by: Skinz | October 25, 2006 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Megskin,
That was awesome. I was only 8 when Theisman went down, thus I was asleep. My mom told me all about it the next day. I remember I cried when Dallas lost to the 49ers. I had never known a year without the Redskins in the playoffs.

But is loyalty to the QB who takes you to two super bowls the same thing as loyalty to the qb who drives you to the hospital when you're about to lapse into a diabetic coma?

THAT remains to be seen.

BOOFER's Back, all is right.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 25, 2006 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You guys are a mess - great jokes.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 25, 2006 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Naw, dealer, I know what you meant. You know you're my man. I was talking about this shabingus from justathought:

campbell was rated no better than late 3rd early 4th redskins dont know how to draft

That's nonsensical. And the lack of punctuation suggests it's boofer with his CAPS LOCK off.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

1. if he was so loyal to brunell why did he have to give so much to get a qb? what was the big emergency? again impulsive buying. no? they have a damn draft every year. he acted as if he'd found the next elway in the draft.

2. see above :)

3. st. joe has an ego. it's as if he's trying to prove (this time around) that he can be a good gm too. we needed joe the coach not joe the gm.

4. yes, i'm saying he's waging the dog...yes, it isn't working...because once again...he is a poor gm. his gm self failed his head coach self.

5. again, if he thought JC could help him turn around 2-5 season we would see him in there. neither he or his coaches or his players believe JC can do the job. why does he need to play now? because they're 2-5. because as fans we want to go thru the pains now rather than next year. run run run run run run run pass. is that too much to ask? i doubt he can do worse than 10 points/game (time when it matters).

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

One other comment:
Hypothetically, let's say Gibbs sees the error of his ways and they hire a bona fide GM in the offseason?

Then what? There's literally nothing left for him to do except wander the halls and talk to Bubba T.

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | October 25, 2006 4:06 PM | Report abuse

joe in(dumbville) raleigh,spliting time with 2 other QBs in preseason playing vanilla defenses against 3rd stringers how many ints did campbell throw.he looked terrible. only redskins had him rated high 1 low 2 not draft gurus and thats why redskins are terrible at drafting!

Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT | October 25, 2006 4:08 PM | Report abuse

sorry joe. i know i realized that(that you might be talking to someone else) as soon as i hit "submit". DOH!

anyways..."for what it's worth"...JC missed thrash on one of his throws in yesterday's practice...while collins made the same throw..."for what it's worth". :)

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I think why the Skins are terrible at drafting has a lot more to do with Vinny being a bama than it does with taking JC where we took him.

Exhibit A: TJ Duckett

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, properly reflecting history would make TJ Duckett someplace around "Exhibit F" since he's not the first draftibingus VinnyCerrato.co.uk has made.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 4:16 PM | Report abuse

JustABoofer, at least the Skins didn't try to sign a bunch of baseball players to be our quarterback. Chad Hutchinson, anyone? Drew Henson? Good luck with Pick-3. He looked like a keeper on Monday night.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 4:16 PM | Report abuse

...Hypothetically, let's say Gibbs sees the error of his ways and they hire a bona fide GM in the offseason?

you know....i'm begining to hear the silence too now. the snyder silence.

silence i'm talking about is of snyder.

because after all joe is 65 soon to be 66. with health issues. with a staff that's all eligible for AARP.

are we going to hear "we have a plan" speech again at the end of this season?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm cuz look joe is about to make like at least $50-60 mil from this little adventure of his. so i don't think anyone's going to hold snyder to the fire if joe suddenly resigns after this year.

$50-60mil= $35 mil contract+other tv, radio gigs+endorsements+speaches+fedex nascar.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Luv the soccer talk. Keep it coming. I've been remiss in not talking enough footie on here.
Go Reading Royals.

Cindy is on vacation all week; think she comes back Sunday. She might check in from home this week though and grace us with her presence.

Got to run to dinner. I'll post something on the Fisher speculation tonight and I'll get something up on the defense on Thursday.
A lot of people around the league think they are in pretty deep doo-doo on that side of the ball.

BOOFER - welcome back.

But where the hell is Mucus Membrane?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 25, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

dealer and other JC nay-sayers: I suggest cruising over to youtube and searching on Jason Campbell. Find some clips. It will remind you why we picked him. Guaranteed to get you fired up.

There's one clip of him where he goes play-action and fakes out EVERYONE. Seriously, everyone on the field had their back turned because he sold it like the Girl Scouts outside K-mart. The D didn't know what hit em until #17 winds up and delivers the cookies to the WR.

Your homework: Watch that clip. Close your eyes and substitute in #26 and #89.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

joe in(dumbville)raleigh not sure i understand your response but you are from dumbville.wasnt ramsey a #1 selection?

Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT | October 25, 2006 4:27 PM | Report abuse

joe man! i'm not a jc naysayer. i'm a jc coaches-naysayer. coaches-players dont think he can get the job done. but to me how much more do you have to know than hand off-hand off-hand-of-ho-ho ho -pass or take off himself. or pass to the sidelines. remember the marty years? they went 8-8 without portis.

dude, he's probly as big as mcnabb. and he can run. and he can throw a fade. so again how much worse can he be than brunell if you told him to just handoff to portis and sellers and throw the ball to the sidelines in moss direction?

at this rate it's going to take him like 2 more years to just be the #2.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The situation has become so shabingually complexed to the point that I am beginning to understand why the French shrug with such insouciance. What is the goal for the team, now that it's become rather clear that unless a sheer miracle happens, we're not going to even come close to the playoffs? Are we merely going to shoot for wins, futilely so? Or perhaps we should be giving younger players experience?

Maybe we should even tweak the defensive and offensive playcalling, while we're at it. Do we really need that unabridged-War-and-Peace-sized playbook on the offense? Do we need to change whatever it is in the defensive playcalling that has "I Pinch" Rogers, No-Bounce, Two-Wrongs and Speedbumph lining up 10 yards off the receivers, and still needing our linebackers to make the tackle after 6 and 7 yard gains, if not worse? Or will coach hubris just get in the way?

I have many questions, many paths, no answers.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 25, 2006 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop all this speculation over JC? The ONLY way we will know if this kid can play is for him TO PLAY in real NFL games. Case closed. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200.

Now let's move on to something more important like the fact that I found out today that there is a website that streams every past episode of The Office: http://tvlinks.50webs.com/The%20Office%20(US)_links.html

Between this Blog and that website, my productivity level at work has finally reached zero.

Posted by: CMoney | October 25, 2006 4:36 PM | Report abuse

And take everything that Skins players say about the QB situation with a huge grain of salt. It's like the Blue Line with those guys - they hardly ever call out another player to be replaced. And vets hardly ever want to see a 1st or 2nd year guy take over the QB reigns because, more likely than not, young QBs struggle their first few times out.

Posted by: CMoney | October 25, 2006 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Meg, how old was Theismann? I don't think he was 36 at the time, but I don't remember. Gibbs must know that Brunell is not the QB he needs for a championship since he has already replaced him once with Ramsey. He just knew Ramsey wasn't that guy either. Do you think now that he's seen more of Campbell, he thinks he's just as bad as Ramsey? I sure hope not.

Posted by: Max | October 25, 2006 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Jason -- how did you become a Royals fan? That's interesting because most fans either were born in Reading or had lived there. They definitely don't have the marketing mojo of Man U or Chelski.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 4:42 PM | Report abuse

you know what i see jc starting the last 4/5 games.

here's why:
we'll be 3-5 after the bye and beating the girls.
then 3-6, 4-6, 4-7, 4-8 > jc starts for the first time.

so 6 more weeks of this. hey if we as men can go 6 weeks without sex we can go with brunell (as the qb) for that long.

Posted by: dealer | October 25, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Joey T was indeed 36 when LT put him out of our misery

Posted by: Groin Strain | October 25, 2006 4:48 PM | Report abuse

There once was a Girl Scout in Raleigh
Who made all the men there feel jolly
What she'd do in Kmart
Would make them all start
And jump in the aisles screaming, "Golly!"

Posted by: MV Dame | October 25, 2006 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So this guy walks into this bar and sits down next to this monkey....

Oh wait, wrong thread!

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 4:51 PM | Report abuse

if redskins hire GM than what will gibbs be in charge of(parking)?

Posted by: JUST A THOUGHT | October 25, 2006 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hug it out, CMoney. That is what men say to each other after a fight. They hug it out, in doing so they just let it go, and walk away, and they're done. Not a good idea to say that to a woman, however, I've found. Doesn't translate.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 25, 2006 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Man I was thinking of Fisher the other day and the type of progressive coach this team would need.

Posted by: DMayfiel@att.com | October 25, 2006 5:05 PM | Report abuse

dealer

"so 6 more weeks of this. hey if we as men can go 6 weeks without sex we can go with brunell (as the qb) for that long".

Just stop it right now! (lol) After the Dallas game that is it for me until Brunell is no longer the QB. Now don't get me wrong. They are still my team and I love them. But I just can't take Brunell anymore

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Boofer good to see that you man up. I give you credit for that. But you should have showed up on Tuesday. Take it like a man next time.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Autumn advances
Stealing both precious daylight
And postseason hopes

Posted by: MV Dame | October 25, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

i was just reading through Mark Maske's online transcript...and caught this...

Question:
I'm curious to hear your opinion on the state of the Redskins defense this season. Have offensive coordinators just figured out how to break down the schemes that Gregg Williams employs or is the personnel just not up to par.


Mark Maske:
You can't blame it so much on the personnel because he raised the bar for himself by having very good defenses the last few years with less-than-overwhelming personnel. Maybe that's unfair but those are the expectations he created for himself, so you have to ask what's different this season. Maybe offenses have adjusted to him and it's time for him to readjust. But it seems to me that he simply hasn't been as aggressive as in past seasons. There are several factors that play into that, of course, but at this point why not just stop worrying about what could go wrong and take some chances out there?

I think someone is getting their research from the Redskins Nation blog...specifically the Deadskin...not to say others havent said the same thing but ive said it after every game...sitting back aint working...better to attack and make the QB beat you than to be passive and let him beat you!!!

Posted by: deadskin | October 25, 2006 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Would that fall under "Attack You Idiot!"?

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 25, 2006 6:08 PM | Report abuse

For all those who don't believe in Campbell. Take a look at the following clip and tell me that Brunell can make any of those throws.(not sure who suggested it but thanks)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bENibyPhWy0

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has 4.5 speed. Whoever don't think this he can play need to take the youtube suggestion. I got to stop watching this because I am really getting upset. I can see passing to Moss, Llyod, Cooley, Randel El, and CP.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 6:31 PM | Report abuse

good video

so why isn't he in? what do the coaches know that we don't? can he not adjust to the speed of the pro game? do they not want to shellshock him (ramsey) with an o-line that has problems protecting the qb?

Posted by: Helmfish | October 25, 2006 6:33 PM | Report abuse

do they not want to torment him with a serious lack of steve winwood in the pros?

Posted by: Helmfish | October 25, 2006 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Helmfish

I have no idea. The said the same thing about Eli (not that I live him),Big Ben, McNabb, and Vic. You just don't know until you put him in. I am not saying that he is going to be really good or not. Just put him so we will know and plan for next year.

Lisa and Dana C, you know I love you.But take a look at that video and tell you Brunell can make any of those deep passes.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Since the Skins "demise" I spend far too many hours thinking about what has gone wrong.....spend most of my time dwelling on the Skins sad season instead of working!

Curious thought about the Brunell/Campbell situation. It's been rumored that Jason is not ready...ala Gibbs "We love Jason but he is not ready at this time" (something like that). Does anyone remember back in 04 when Brunell was playing oh so badly and the fans were crying for Ramsey? Buges said on TV that Ramsey had not "shown them anything in practice".....Patrick stated (in a respectful way - he is so classy) that he found that statement strange since he did not get any reps in practice. In other words, how could he show them anything? We all know what happened....Gibbs kept Brunell in until the season was lost before finally replacing him with Ramsey.

I see a pattern here....

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2006 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Lisa

Everyone knew Ramsey couldn't play. Event he old ball coach. The Dan and Vinny were so much in love with him.

I can't wait until he gets his chance. Make sure all of you who thinks he is no good give him his due on this blog. Let's just hope he doesn't bounce and become good and burn us like all the other players.

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ali.
Leeds is actually my favorite team, but since they're eons away from getting back to the Prem, I've been on the Royals bandwagen sicen their American contingent arrived.
Love the way they play, Copell is the real deal and it's hard not to root for them.
Had great games with Arsenal and Man U alread this year, eh?

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 25, 2006 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Jm220,

I personally loved Ramsey - not so much as a player but as a person. Hey, I am a woman with a sensitive side and I watched him get hit...and hit...and hit again during the Spurrier time and he never complained or pointed fingers. I loved him for that. But I was making a comparison between what Gibbs is saying about Jason now - and Ramsey then. Is this what he really believes or just his excuse for not putting him in?

Hey, I like Jason and I hope he gets a chance and that he does well. Remember, I'm a "bama" from Alabama and an Auburn fan.

Posted by: Lisa | October 25, 2006 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Remember, I'm a "bama" from Alabama and an Auburn fan.

LMAO! Ramsey was good at not pointing fingers. I will give him that credit for that. Because I would have given couple of those lineman a beatdown. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 25, 2006 7:45 PM | Report abuse

i know i'm checking in late, but meg, that was an awesome piece.

I'm a lifelong skins fan dating back to late 60's/early 70's and i was at rfk the night joey t went down. to this day i have not watched a replay of the injury...just don't want to. but i will say this: i have never been a joey t fan but will always love the loud-mouthed egomaniac for bringing us our first superbowl. i was in college and watched the superbowl from godforsaken philly territory. when riggo hit the big 4th and 1...i went nuts!! 22 years of frustration erupted and i ran thru every dorm pounding on doors and got people singing "hail to redskins" all night long. for weeks i had people coming up to me telling me i was a maniac. of course i remember very little after the big td, having had a several beverages to that point...

gibbs will find a way...keep the faith!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 25, 2006 7:49 PM | Report abuse


work overwhelmed me
come back to amazing read
hail to our megskin

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 25, 2006 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Meg, how old was Theismann? I don't think he was 36 at the time, but I don't remember

Yup, he sure was: Joseph Robert Theismann was born on September 9th, 1949 in New Brunswick, New Jersey. At the start of the '85 season, at age 36, he was the oldest quarterback in the league. The side-arm slinging Bernie Kosar was the youngest at the ripe age of 21.

I'm glad everyone liked it and thank gawd Boofer is back.

Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 10:01 PM | Report abuse

But it seems to me that he simply hasn't been as aggressive as in past seasons.

Which lends weight to my theory that aliens have eaten his brain. That or an alien is running around here with a Grilliams suit on. We need to get the guys from MIB on this right away.


Posted by: Megskin | October 25, 2006 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Good form Megskin. Wish it was posted earlier so we had something to talk about yesterday. I was in the single digit years of my life and actaully (to my shame) wore Cowboy pajamas from my aunt from Ft. Worth (looking back, id prefer the pink bunny PJs with the floppy ears and bunny feet a la Ralphie) So this all helps me wrap my mind around who Joe Gibbs is.
I am faithful that the heavenly Father above answers prayers and can move mountains with faith as small as a mustard seed. So now, in my prayers at night right after asking God to protect my brother in Iraq, I will with prayers and petitions, ask the sweet Lord above to shatter Mark Brunell's femur. Here's to the Redskins in the Super Bowl in 2009! Sorry BenchMark, nothing personal.

Posted by: Dorf | October 26, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Meg great article! That's the kind of analysis the reporters should be doing! Maybe you shoudl write an article every day for the blog.

Posted by: reality Check | October 26, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

reality Check, I think doing one a day would kill me, but I am open to suggestions.

And Dorf, I just love 'A Christmas Story', so-so-so funny

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

From Greg Garber's article today at ESPN.com:

"Joe Gibbs is very, very loyal to aging quarterbacks," Theismann said. "I was a beneficiary of that loyalty. In 1985, I was playing really badly, and he had every right to pull me. But he didn't. They're having problems integrating a new philosophy, and with Mark at quarterback, it's been difficult."

Posted by: Rain Man | October 26, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Does this thing work?

Posted by: Dorf | October 26, 2006 11:32 AM | Report abuse

This has been a test from the emergency broadcasting center. If this were a real emergency, Cindy would get someone to fix it. This is only a test.

Posted by: TEST | October 26, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Except that Cindy is on vacation.

Posted by: Megskin | October 26, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Interesting fact about LT breaking Theismann's leg, Michael Lewis, author of "The Blindside," a must read for football fans, wrote about that very play. He writes, "What didn't make sense on that night was Taylor's initial reaction. He leapt out of the pile like a man on fire. Those who had watched Taylor's career closely might have expected a bit more sangfroid in the presence of an injured quarterback. The destruction of Joe Theismann may have been classified an accident, but it wasn't an aberration. It was an extension of what Lawrence Taylor had been doing to NFL quarterbacks for four and a half years. It wasn't even the first time Taylor had broken a quarterback's leg, or ended a quarterback's career. In college, in the Gator Bowl, he had taken out the University of Michigan's quarterback, John Wangler. Before Taylor hit him, Wangler had been a legitimate NFL prospect. ("I was invited to try out for the Lions and the Cowboys," Wangler said later. "But everyone was kind of afraid of the severity of my injury.")

As it turned out, there was a simple explanation: Taylor was claustrophobic. His claustrophobia revealed itself in the way he played the game: standing up looking for the best view, refusing to bend over and get down in the dirt with the other players, preferring the long and open outside route to the quarterback over the short, tight inside one. It revealed itself, also, in the specific fear of being trapped at the bottom of a pile and not being able to escape. "That's what made me so frantic," he said. "I've already dreamed it -- if I get on the bottom of a pile and I'm really hurt. And I can't get out." Now he lay at, or near, the bottom of a pile, on top of a man whose leg he'd broken so violently that the sound was heard by Joe Jacoby on the sidelines. And he just had to get out. He leapt to his feet screaming, hands clutching the sides of his helmet, and -- the TV cameras didn't pick this up -- lifting one foot unconsciously and rubbing his leg with it. It was the only known instance of Lawrence Taylor imagining himself into the skin of a quarterback he had knocked from a game. "We all have fears," he said. "We all have fears."

Posted by: BradyIn07 | October 26, 2006 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Jason, Reading's done well. It's funny too as I was in London for a week and a half almost a month ago -- no matter who you came across talking footy, sooner or later the discussion went to the Royals -- how well they were doing, what a surprise they were, what their payroll figure was.

No matter who I ran into (even the Chelski fans the week before the game), they were speaking with a degree of respect even about the Americans. And that part has been improving steadily (about the Yanks) in the last five or so years as more and more players "make it" over there.

All I know is that each American that succeeds in that environment owes a small debt to guys like John Harkes.

Anyway, good luck to Reading. Everyone loves a low budget underdog with a bunch of scrappy players.

Team chemistry -- imagine that.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | October 26, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I did not read all of the comments so someone may have already touched on this but, while Brunell may not be playing great, his numbers are much better than Joe T.'s in '85. Of course, Joe T.'s higher sack numbers, lower completion %, and higher interception numbers may have been due to the fact that he held the ball longer trying to make plays downfield instead of dumping the ball at the first sign of trouble. But there is one glaring similarity between that Redskins team and this one -- inconsistent offensive line play, in terms of both an inconsistent running game and heavy heat on the QB.

Posted by: Roger | October 26, 2006 5:57 PM | Report abuse

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