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ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. looks at Redskins' late-round draft picks

Jason Campbell stole the headlines a bit last weekend, and we didn't get a chance to discuss the team's late-round draft picks as much as we would've liked. I've seen some post-draft report cards that knocked the Redskins for failing to get more than one starter out of this year's draft.

So I asked ESPN analyst Mel Kiper Jr. this morning whether the team's late-round picks have a good chance at becoming impact players. He could see linebacker Perry Riley, tight end/fullback Dennis Morris and receiver Terrence Austin all making the team and finding a way to contribute.

"Morris had his moments at Louisiana Tech. He caught my eye catching the football on a couple of touchdown receptions," Kiper said. "Austin did some things for UCLA. [Selvish] Capers needs some technique work, needs some coaching. Chris Foerster, the offensive line coach, is going to be on the spot to put this group together. Trent Williams -- motivate him to be the best player he can be. Perry Riley could be a nice backup and maybe a starter down the road."

Of New Mexico center Erik Cook, Kiper said, "The kid has got some physical ability. He's got a chance."

The big question mark seems to be Capers, the West Virginia tackle. He needs to work on technique and he needs to get stronger. Kiper noted that Capers bench pressed 225 pounds only 19 times at the NFL Scouting Combine (though he did manage 22 reps at West Virginia's pro day three weeks later).

"His Senior Bowl week really hurt him, I thought," Kiper said. "He looked like a third-round pick at one point, and now he becomes a seventh ..... That Senior Bowl week is a heavily scrutinized week. When you struggle down there and you need technique work -- remember, he was protected this year by [West Virginia quarterback] Jarrett Brown. Jarrett Brown, I think, saved that line from several sacks and several hurries."

"For the season -- I said this on draft day -- Chris Foerster, the offensive line coach, trying to mold this group into a solid line is going to dictate whether the Redskins are a good team or a not so good team, and how it'll impact [Donovan] McNabb and his success at 33 years of age. I think the line is critical. And Williams has to be a quality left tackle right away."

I also asked about Penn State quarterback Darryl Clark, who the team is picking up as an unsigned rookie free agent. It would seem Clark will be trying to challenge Colt Brennan for the team's No. 3 quarterback job, which is about where Kiper projects him as a pro.

"I thought he'd be undrafted. Borderline," Kiper said. "I think there were several quarterbacks that went undrafted that were better than that. I'd say at best a three, maybe he develops into a backup. I think at best, he develops into a third-string quarterback."

By Rick Maese  |  April 27, 2010; 12:47 PM ET
 | Tags: Chris Foerster, Darryl Clark, Dennis Morris, Erik Cook, Mel Kiper Jr., Perry Riley, Redskins draft picks, Selvish Capers, Terrence Austin, Trent Williams  
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Comments

First to say Clark looked pretty good to me this year

Posted by: ElYeah | April 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Nobody talks more and says less than Mel Kiper Jr.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Only in Washington does the #3 QB garner this much ink (or in the computer age, 1s and 0s).

Posted by: C-DubDC | April 27, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh Jeez! I thought only Vinny asked what Kiper thinks. No more vacation time for anyone.
Who is Mel's hair dresser anyway? There’s the real story.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 27, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Mel is guilty of gross verbal buffoonery.

Mel... "I think at best, he develops into a third-string quarterback."

Why would any team ever have a guy who at best develops into a third string QB? If you have a young guy, you clearly think he has some potential. Maybe Shanahanaman wants to run him a little Wildcat. He certainly doesn't think the guy is "challenging" for third string. Brennan is a completely adequate third string QB.


On Austin:
Earned second-team All-Pac-10 honors as a kick returner. Ranked fifth in the Pac-10 (34th in NCAA) in all-purpose yards (139.85), fourth in the Pac-10 in kickoff returns.

Maybe, Mel, just maybe, the Redskins would like a KR. Ranking 5th in APY the PAC 10 says he's more than just that.

Mel is all hair hat and no cattle...

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 27, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I trust our staff more than a yapping good-hair-day.

Here's our unofficial UFA list so far:

Redskins
Logan Paulsen, TE, UCLA
Anderson Russell, FS, Ohio State
Marques Slocum, DT, Eastern Arizona
Keiland Williams, RB, LSU
Daryll Clark, QB, PSU
Maurice Greer, RB, Troy
Tony Nelson, RB, UMass (Tryout)
Jaevery McFadden, LB, Wisconsin (Tryout)
Derrick Townsel, WR, Murray State (Tryout)
Bo McNally, S, Stanford (Tryout)
Klint Kubiak, S, Colorado State (Tryout)

Posted by: Slobberknocker | April 27, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

F Mel and his btching because no one wanted to take that waiting to fail QB Clausen.

F the Skins for signing Scott. Anyone that puts a bag over a 2 year old head needs his ass kick

Posted by: jm220 | April 27, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Um, I was at this halloween party, a few years back... you see... Selvish and I talked for a while. He's a good guy; great listener. I think he'll pick things up quick. The night ended when he fingered me in a dirty men's-room... I know one thing, his hands are strong enough.

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jason: why would you ask Kiper ANYthing? the guy's judgement is tainted and he's making a living on his father's good name. where is YOUR due diligence on each of these picks? or have Post columnists abandoned such?

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Mel is guilty of gross verbal buffoonery.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 27, 2010 1:05 PM |

Excellent post!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you on both issues, jm220.

Mel is good for comic relief, from his appearance to the things he says, and he's awfully good at sounding like he knows what he's talking about (the bedrock of his creation of himself as a cottage industry), but that's about all. He's a perfect creature of a world where sports is a diversionary entertainment taken too seriously by many of us.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

F the Skins for signing Scott. Anyone that puts a bag over a 2 year old head needs his ass kick

Posted by: jm220 | April 27, 2010 1:07 PM

Agreed. And he did get his ass kicked by the law and by the league. But what do you do with him after you've kicked his ass? Do you not believe in giving a guy a second chance?

And whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"? I think it went the way of the good five cent cigar. Or it got beaten to death on Redskins Insider by a bunch of non-violent type PC posters.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jason...

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 27, 2010 1:11 PM

do you mean Rick?

try calling up some NFL and/or media types yourself, then tell us what they have to say...

...or start a new topic with some unique insight of your own.

either would be preferable.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jason: why would you ask Kiper ANYthing? the guy's judgement is tainted and he's making a living on his father's good name. where is YOUR due diligence on each of these picks? or have Post columnists abandoned such?

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 27, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse
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Dear dcjazzman,

Speaking of due diligence, did you happen to catch who posted this?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

1991 Colts -- "Who the Hell is Mel Kiper anyway!"

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 27, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Judge the lower end of the draft against what was available. I liked what Shanahan was tring to do, but there was a better way.

He grabbed an LB in the 4th. But Kirk Morrison and ernie sims, both solid NFL starters, were traded for a 5th round picks.

Shanahan grabbed a return guy, but 2 guys who have proven to be dangerous return guys, Ginn Jr and Leon Washington were also available for 5th round picks.

I do like the blocking back idea. Sellers is not consistent and has always had trouble holding onto the ball. He cost us at cincy in 2008 and vs the Saints last year. If Morris fixes that issue, he'll have been a very good choice.

And I like grabbing OL guys. Its a bit like the lottery -- you gotta play to win. The odds may not be good, but the payoff if you find an OL gem would be really big for this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. And he did get his ass kicked by the law and by the league. But what do you do with him after you've kicked his ass? Do you not believe in giving a guy a second chance?

And whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"? I think it went the way of the good five cent cigar. Or it got beaten to death on Redskins Insider by a bunch of non-violent type PC posters.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:17 PM

I'm all for second chances but when helpless children are involved I become quite a bit less rational. Not that I'm rational to begin with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Caper right now can run block better then Heyer and his Pass blocking would be equally as bad. If this kid can be taught how to pass protect he could be a beast. This guy is used to blocking for Pat White and Noel Devine. Very elusive runners. Plays were regularly run towards his side that ended up being bounced out the other direction, this guy is used to blocking 20 yards down field every run play. Plus the left side of the line had JB scrambling a lot more then the right side. Also WV hasn't taught an olineman how to pass block in about 8 years. Coach him up make him a hog...

Posted by: Stu27 | April 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

He grabbed an LB in the 4th. But Kirk Morrison and ernie sims, both solid NFL starters, were traded for a 5th round picks.

Shanahan grabbed a return guy, but 2 guys who have proven to be dangerous return guys, Ginn Jr and Leon Washington were also available for 5th round picks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 1:21 PM

This is the Joe Gibbs approach to the draft. Trade your picks for established veterans. That was one of the things I didn't like about Gibbs. I'm glad Shanahan didn't follow Gibbs down this route.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

So we are betting the farm on a rookie.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

OBTW...
"I've seen some post-draft report cards that knocked the Redskins for failing to get more than one starter out of this year's draft."

Well, there's just so much wrong with that statement.

First, nobody knows -- for sure -- who is going to start from this year's draft. Although it's tough to say, here's my guess

1 - Trent Williams (starts)
2 - Donovan McNabb (starts)
3 - Jeremy Jarmno (starts)
4 - Perry Riley (backup - rotation)
5 - traded to MIA
6 - Terrence Austin (starting KR)
6 - Cook (backup)
6 - Capers (backup)

I'd say 3 starters, a KR, and a OLB in the rotation is pretty good (Riley's senior season: 131 tackles, four interceptions, two sacks, five tackles for loss and one defensive touchdown).

Lombardi says the Redskins have potentially improved the most of any team this year. And I don't think they're done yet.

Posted by: dpc2003 | April 27, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, trading that 5th rounder for one of the guys you mentioned may have worked, but many fans on here were against trading away draft picks since we had so few. Additionally, that 5th rd pick was used to move back and get three more players (including AC from the Rams), so I think the 5th rd pick was used better than spending it on one player.

(*assuming that the three players make the team and contribute)

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way beep-beep, I saw your post about handle change but I didn't catch who you were before.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

And whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"?

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse
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Attitudes like that threaten to undermine reputable news outlets like the New York Daily News and New York Post, endangering domestic jobs and fomenting societal values and self-worth. Thanks, you communist.

*If you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. I actually think Mr. Judge Not is off in the bushes somewhere with Ms. Hardly Offended and most serious efforts to retrieve them are shouted down by Mrs. Politically Correct.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

So we are betting the farm on a rookie.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2010 1:27 PM

the numbers currently running on Cow Sense beef management software suggest we're rebuilding the herd rather than betting the farm. got to start somewhere.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:30 PM

beep-beep = LS

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Noseman I hope you are really nosechick, not that anything's rong with it...

Posted by: ElYeah | April 27, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

U mean Mel who is wrong about 75% of the time Kiper? You would be better off asking a a Magic 8 Ball if those players will pan out!

Posted by: rlomax67 | April 27, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:17 PM

No fair on the screen name.

dpc2003, though you mention McNabb as the second round pick, you forgot to mention Carriker as a draft pick. We switched spots with the Rams somewhere for him. He counts as a draft pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

So we are betting the farm on a rookie.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2010 1:27 PM

I think the cow would object to betting her farm. But every year you bet the farm on something in the NFL. No sure things in this league. Last year we bet it on a second-year coach and an over-the-hill offensive line. This year, a veteran coach and an under-the-hill offensive line.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep = LS

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM

this was one of my guesses, but maybe we could start an informal poll? might kill some otherwise valuable time.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I missed Carriker to the skins....What did we give up for him?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep = LS

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM

this was one of my guesses, but maybe we could start an informal poll? might kill some otherwise valuable time.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:35 PM

No poll necessary ... reading the text, that's who it is. You can take the handle off the poster, but you can't take the poster off the handle and such and such

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:30 PM

beep-beep = LS

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM |

So my fellow Techy is having an identity crisis as of late. He's gone from talent_evaluator to league_source to beep-beep. Suck it up home boy, pull it together.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

We switched spots with the Rams somewhere for him. He counts as a draft pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse
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Roughly translates to a late 7th rounder.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

4th, swapped spots in the 5th with STL, and in the 7th as well. Back in the 5th, and UP in the 7th.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I missed Carriker to the skins....What did we give up for him?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2010 1:36 PM

It was beautiful, 4th. We swapped fifth round picks with the Chiefs, moving down about 14 slots and we also swapped seventh round picks, moving up a few slots. Then we traded our seventh for two lower sevenths. Not up there with Casserly's work trading the Ricky Williams pick to NO, but it was lovely.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I missed Carriker to the skins....What did we give up for him?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2010 1:36 PM |

We traded back in the fifth and up in the seventh for him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Is it clear now what happened, 4th, or do we need to keep spelling it out for you?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 27, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep = LS

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 1:32 PM

What was the tell? It took me six weeks to uncover Chia_Pet as Risa_L.

Curzon wins a bottle of his favorite Patron Silver Anejo Anciano de Oro, or whatever the top shelf stuff is. I can't mail it to you, so please go out and buy it and send the bill to League-Source. That guy is generous to a fault. And, try to pay with bonus points if you can.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Noseman I hope you are really nosechick, not that anything's rong with it...

Posted by: ElYeah | April 27, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Classic Seinfeld by ElYeah.....Props for the line

Posted by: Hackersk | April 27, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone here think that Klint Kubiak even gets a tryout if his last name is not Kubiak, and his father is not really good friends with Shanahan.

Anyone...anyone...Bueller...Bueller???

Thats life folks - its who you know, always.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | April 27, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Attitudes like that threaten to undermine reputable news outlets like the New York Daily News and New York Post, endangering domestic jobs and fomenting societal values and self-worth. Thanks, you communist.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

b-b

there are 2 tells you have.
one, you tend to have a - or a _ in your screen names.

Also you keep shaking your internet cain at us!

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

It was beautiful, 4th. We swapped fifth round picks with the Chiefs, moving down about 14 slots and we also swapped seventh round picks, moving up a few slots. Then we traded our seventh for two lower sevenths. Not up there with Casserly's work trading the Ricky Williams pick to NO, but it was lovely.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:40 PM

You mean Rams? Not much of a league source.

Dennis Norris is gonna be a beast.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Whatever handle beep beep wants to use, it can be guaranteed he will be spitting nonsense and lame jokes 24-7 on this site.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | April 27, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Dennis Norris is gonna be a beast.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse
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One of those 'Only Dennis Norris can tackle Dennis Norris' kind of beasts?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

shaking your internet cain...

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2010 1:52 PM

At first I read this as Able's brother

Then I went with my "internet can" but was uncertain whether you were referring to the one I'm sitting on or the one that I sit it.

Finally I decided you meant "internet cane."

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Curzon wins a bottle of his favorite Patron Silver Anejo Anciano de Oro, or whatever the top shelf stuff is. I can't mail it to you, so please go out and buy it and send the bill to League-Source. That guy is generous to a fault. And, try to pay with bonus points if you can.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:45 PM

so what's it like with the identity change technology these days? I mean, you've gone from being an NFL insider who's done it all... and now you're a car horn?

meanwhile, I'm just a humble cow. pretty cool gig in places like India, but kind of perilous here in Idaho. suppose there is always reincarnation...

see you folks later, still waiting on news of the inevitable AH trade between now and the start of the season.

Patron Silver is good stuff by the way.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

IRAPUATO, Mexico - It's now an established scientific fact: Smut is GOOD for you. Corn smut, that is.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36799184/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

It's dennis morris, not norris.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Finally I decided you meant "internet cane."

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

My point exactly!

Posted by: alex35332 | April 27, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

...and now you're a car horn?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse
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Could be The Roadrunner.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

One of those 'Only Dennis Norris can tackle Dennis Norris' kind of beasts?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 1:59 PM

Well played. Slip of the fingers. Yes Dennis Morris.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

It's dennis morris, not norris.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse
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And theres always someone to jump in and spoil our fun with facts. Dude, you are THAT guy...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"Why would any team ever have a guy who at best develops into a third string QB? If you have a young guy, you clearly think he has some potential. "

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No, not really. You have a guy like this on your roster right now because you need bodies for training camp. In order for a training camp to run properly, you usually need 4 QB's.

Posted by: redskins459 | April 27, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

F Mel Kiper. Anyone who grows up with a name like Selvish has to be bad ass.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Vicc, looks like I fell behind by a few threads, but to answer your question I am very pleased the O-line was finally addressed in this draft.

I would have been pretty pissed if we wasted another year in Vinny-like pursuit of defensive backs and wideouts. Those other positions are important too, but this team has way too many journeymen starting on the O-line. There's no way to spin it. The O-line had to be addressed immediately, or none of the other changes would matter much.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who grows up with a name like Selvish has to be bad ass.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2010 2:11 PM

Well what about the guy we drafted to return kicks and punts and stuff -- Terrence. That guy has to have kicked some ass to get through life with that name -- it's as bad an Johnny Cash's "Boy Named Sue."

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan grabbed a return guy, but 2 guys who have proven to be dangerous return guys, Ginn Jr and Leon Washington were also available for 5th round picks.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 1:21 PM


Ted Ginn = Randle El. No thanks.

Posted by: quinn3 | April 27, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Biblical input about the Scott case, beeps..Everbody is born innocent , si? and deserves a second chance..Besides, who can say what the actual circumstances of the case were, things get blown out of proportion, even framed..Trusting Haslett on this one..

Posted by: frak | April 27, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a handle on S. Moss' contract situation this year? This team desperately needs someone not named "Santana" to emerge as our #1 receiver.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I think when there's a tossup in availability you go with the draft. Otherwise, your FA stream is neutral to positive, meaning no compensatory draft picks.

You take a Ginn or Washington, and thats gonna cancel out a guy who might walk next year, like a Rocky McIntosh. Not a factual scenario, but for illustrative purposes it shows why teams like the Steelers, Colts, and even Pats have had extended periods of dominance.

The Pats haven been the same signing the Randy Mosses, Wed Welkers, Shawn Springs, Junior Seaus, and Adalius Thomases of the world.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, trading that 5th rounder for one of the guys you mentioned may have worked, but many fans on here were against trading away draft picks since we had so few. Additionally, that 5th rd pick was used to move back and get three more players (including AC from the Rams), so I think the 5th rd pick was used better than spending it on one player.

(*assuming that the three players make the team and contribute)

Posted by: Curzon417

for whatever reason, this year seems to be a year where good players are going at fire sale prices. ernie sims, 100 tackles a year as a OLB and 27-ish -- for a 5th? Ted Ginn would have solved our return issue + been an adequate backup for Santana.

The Skins have made 18 picks in the 5th round from '95 to 2009. 8 of them played under 32 games. The other 10 are:

Jamie Asher, Brad Badger, Leomont Evans, Rich Owens, Anthony Montgomery, Twan Russell, Keith Thibodeaux, Jamel Williams, Darien McCants and Robert Royal.

All in all, if you can solve a real problem with a 5th round pick, you do it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

4th, swapped spots in the 5th with STL, and in the 7th as well. Back in the 5th, and UP in the 7th.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 1:40 PM

Is it clear now what happened, 4th, or do we need to keep spelling it out for you?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 27, 2010 1:43 PM

Got it! A Ham Sandwhich w/ Cheese!

Good ish! And I don't eat pork.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd say at best a three, maybe he develops into a backup. I think at best, he develops into a third-string quarterback.
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Ouch baby, very ouch.

Posted by: thor2 | April 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ted Ginn = Randle El. No thanks.

Posted by: quinn3

huh?? Ginn was 5th in the league in KR yards and had 2 TDs. He average nearly 10 yards a PR in his only season as a main PR guy (2007). He solves our return issues. Shanahan used a 6th to grab an unknown to try do the same thing.

As a WR, he's ARE, a useful depth guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Too much MEl Kiper hating up here.....for him it's not about where the guy gies, it's about where the guy is at 3/4 years from now.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Words From Mellie Mel:

"I think at best, he develops into a third-string quarterback."

How do you develope into a 3rd string quarterback?

That's like saying that with the right training program, a guy might hope to come in last place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

huh?? Ginn was 5th in the league in KR yards and had 2 TDs. He average nearly 10 yards a PR in his only season as a main PR guy (2007). He solves our return issues. Shanahan used a 6th to grab an unknown to try do the same thing.

As a WR, he's ARE, a useful depth guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Or he could be the next DeSean Jackson.. Just sayin, didn't he run like a 4.36?

We KNOW Ginn Jr. is no DeSean.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 27, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan used a 6th to grab an unknown to try do the same thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 2:37 PM

Shanahan used a 6th to take Dennis Morris who will have Sellers job. Your boy Terrence was a 7th round pick.

Enough with spending our picks on Miami's cast offs. You're taking us back to the days of Gibbs/Cerrato.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

capers only benched 19x, but williams did , what? 23x

okung did 38, with longer arms?

we went for the guy with footwork, ok.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That's like saying that with the right training program, a guy might hope to come in last place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2010 2:45 PM

Every practice squad QB's dream is to the third string. Think, "Chase Daniels."

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

FWIW, Chris Samuels didn't even work out at the combine. So pretty much we will get lucky or we won't.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hi Pabrian20003

Where the F is Trent Williams contract, huh?

Where is it, because I don't see it.

Do you see where the F Trents contract is?

Can you show it to me, huh?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 27, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

1st off Mel Kiper is an idiot... ok really thats all i have to say... didnt read it because Kiper's name was involved... again... he's an idiot!

Posted by: rockettonu | April 27, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Say, y'ell neva catch me coppah! Yeahhrr, see! Me and my blokes ahr up to ahr usual selvish capers!

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Today's ESPN insider headline..
"Skins could get T.O and Sharper"
Anyone heard anything on this? Is it just old re-hashed rumors??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Dear Rick,

I would rather watch grass grow than to read what Kiper has to say. Please, enough already. Oh, I'm watching the paint on the wall dry. Interesting.

Posted by: getitritegov | April 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"...for whatever reason, this year seems to be a year where good players are going at fire sale prices."


There's talk that the fire sale might continue as teams might be willing to trade some of the RFA--a la Jason Campbell--for next to nothing as even a future pick beats keeping a guy someone else might want.

The advantage really falls to the trading team as they get out of having to re-up a 3-4 year guy at a higher cost (you sub in a quality low cost rookie) and also get a draft pick.

I think we might see an incredible amount of turnover league wide this spring and early summer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

checking back in to give a quick off-topic, four-hoofed salute to my fellow bovine...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Bango-strikes-again-this-time-from-above?urn=nba,237019

no fan of the Bucks, but that's pretty cool.

on the other hoof, can't wait for OTAs and camp. barring some trades, everything else is distraction and/or speculation right now.

just doing my part to distract.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 27, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

weird seeing my MA senator in a Wash Post RI Ad.. Scot t Brown.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

TO could be a Redskin by May
Michael David Smith
April 27, 2010, 3:04
We're hearing that the Redskins are looking to bolster their wide receiver corp, as well as keep TO from signing with any other team in the division. As of now, TO has agreed in principal to a 2 year contract with a minimal signing bonus, however makes up for that in performance claus's.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Today's ESPN insider headline..
"Skins could get T.O and Sharper"
Anyone heard anything on this? Is it just old re-hashed rumors??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 2:59 PM

Never believe these rumors until BeantownGreg1 posts them.

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

TO could be a Redskin by May
Michael David Smith
April 27, 2010, 3:04
We're hearing that the Redskins are looking to bolster their wide receiver corp, as well as keep TO from signing with any other team in the division. As of now, TO has agreed in principal to a 2 year contract with a minimal signing bonus, however makes up for that in performance claus's.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 3:05 PM

Wow! I guess it is true. Link?

Posted by: beep-beep | April 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Dear Rick,

I would rather watch grass grow than to read what Kiper has to say. Please, enough already. Oh, I'm watching the paint on the wall dry. Interesting.

Posted by: getitritegov | April 27, 2010 3:02 PM

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did Mel even get 4 out of 32 picks right in the first round? How'd that Clausen in the top 5 workout??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

performance claus's.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse
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Is that like a super elf or something?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

williams-dock-bach-bmw-hicks

not as good as

jones-dock-bach-bmw-heyer

IMO, at least not year 1

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"...Or he could be the next DeSean Jackson.. Just sayin, didn't he run like a 4.36?"


The blueprint for Jackson should still be in McNabb's mind.

Jackson was a returner first, then Reid drew up simple plays in basic formations so the kid could get an early taste of action.

Then, as he grew, the team depended upon him more.

Contrast that to Zorno obsessing over whether or not if Kelly or Thomas or Davis--also Class of '08 picks--knew the playbook inside and out.

And so they sat, and sat and sat and sat and sat while Jackson got his legs under him.

Get Austin and M Mitchell and Morris on the field early and let's see what we got.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

performance claus's.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse
=======================
Santa Branded condoms??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

beyeep

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

What I dont understand is how Kiper or McShay can make judgements about sports players when neither one of them achieved anything athletically but yet critique athletes.

That why these journalists are always trying to start gossip because they have never been in a locker room and dont know how that works.

Like George Foreman told Larry Merchant years ago. Larry you dont know boxing you just been around boxing

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 27, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Trade for Ted Ginn? Give me a cheap hungry newbie anyday...

I like Leon Washington as a player...but there are SERIOUS doubts about his ability to return from that injury. Also IF he gets healthy he is much more than a KR and would want reps at RB/3rd down back. It seems like our backfield is full at the moment so trading a pick would have been retarted. Now if they had traded a 5th rounder before signing Parker/LJ...maybe I could agree....but again Washington's ability was in his legs...and he took a nasty injury.

What else ya got Z? and please no Air Craft Carriers as mobile empanada carts ok?

Posted by: chrislarry | April 27, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hi Pabrian20003

Where the F is Trent Williams contract, huh?

Where is it, because I don't see it.

Do you see where the F Trents contract is?

Can you show it to me, huh?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Where the F is Trent Williams contract?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM

grudge much hater?, big diff no rookies have signed yet and they sign in order, usually

this your first time paying attention to a draft?

but hey spew hate, you suck

f u in your face punk

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

you have 10 to 15 receivers in camp. Do you want them practicing their bench-sitting while waiting for DM5 to finish with the top 5 starters? So DM5 is not allowed a break?

You need an adequate QB to throw the ball to them. So 5 or 6 QBs in camp.

Then the season starts and you need 3 QBs. 1 starter, 1 backup and 1 third-stringer.

During the season, you need a competant QB to help the defense practice. That's the 3rd stringer's job. The backup QB is learning the game-plan in case #1 gets injured.

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | April 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

What I dont understand is how Kiper or McShay can make judgements about sports players when neither one of them achieved anything athletically but yet critique athletes.

That why these journalists are always trying to start gossip because they have never been in a locker room and dont know how that works.

Like George Foreman told Larry Merchant years ago. Larry you dont know boxing you just been around boxing

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 27, 2010 3:15 PM

So ... you are against male gynecologists?

How about judges that have never committed a crime?

When a QB throws an interception, it does not take another QB to look at the film to see what he did wrong.

Some people are good at doing; some people are good at teaching others do; some people are good at coaching; and some people are good at judging others.

Only a fool things otherwise.

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | April 27, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!
must re-sign levi jones!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2010 3:19 PM

Thanks for the comment, Mrs. Jones.

Posted by: PriorKnowledge | April 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have made 18 picks in the 5th round from '95 to 2009. 8 of them played under 32 games. The other 10 are:

Jamie Asher, Brad Badger, Leomont Evans, Rich Owens, Anthony Montgomery, Twan Russell, Keith Thibodeaux, Jamel Williams, Darien McCants and Robert Royal.

All in all, if you can solve a real problem with a 5th round pick, you do it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2010 2:29 PM

This list is just unbelievable. If the addage you hear about "teams being built in the 4th and 5th rounds" is true...does this sorry list shed any light on the Redskins' struggles over the last 15 years, or what?

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 27, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

How the fuc are the redskins supposed to draft starters when they only had picks in the 1st and 4th rounds? I would do the McNabb trade all over again and thanks the Vinny "the bull", we didn't have a 3rd.

Can't rebuild in one offseason with 6 picks.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

And the draft scores are in:

Rick Gosselin - 29 of 32 picks in first round - 8 to correct team

Mel Kiper - 28 of 32 picks in first round - 10 to correct team

Todd Mcshay - 27 of 32 picks in first round - 6 to correct team

Top 100 scores:

Rick Gosselin - 87 - 1st place

Mel Kiper - 80 - tied for 14th

Scouts Inc. - 80 - tied for 14th

Last five years:

Rick Gosselin - 86.2 - 1st place

Scouts Inc. - 79.6 - 7th place

Mel Kiper - 79 - 8th place

Mike Mayock does not submit his list to compete. I heard that he had 87 out of 100. Does anyone know if that is right? Does anyone care?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 27, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, everyone loves Mel and his crazy hair - he reminds me a little bit of Ken Beatrice with his knowledge and weirdness.

Posted by: nativedc | April 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson, Kedric Golston, Stephon Heyer, Lorenzo Alexander, Edwin Williams...just a few of our late round picks and undrafted free agents that have contributed so it's not all bad...

-BUT- I digress

Vinny and Snyder seem to take all the heat for the last 10 years, but Joe "Jesus" Gibbs should get some too...I love Joe Gibbs but he was NEVER a personnel guy. Gibbs gave 3 picks to go get Jason Campbell...fair shot, O-line or no...no way in hell I give that much...he gave a 4th for TJ Duckett too... (TJ Duckett!!!!!)

This new regime took over a MESS of a team, but there seems to be some talent i just hope that Shanahan can maximize it.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Selvish Capers is the best football name ever!

Posted by: bostskin | April 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

thank god we only have to see kiper once a year. zero time would even be better.

Posted by: williedyn | April 27, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The skins fo need to sign LT Ciron Black from lsu a for year starter in the sec.

Posted by: dakel76 | April 27, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Denario Alexander watch his youtube highlights somebody pleese tell me why this guy his still out there and not on a nfl roster?

Posted by: dakel76 | April 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Trust in Shanahan.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | April 27, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't read anything that Kiper or Kiper like people write.

The Kiper stuff that I have read was crap.

Kiper and people like him are rumour mongers first, promoting sizzle not steak. The mockers and draft gurus just repeat what everyone else already knows or talks about. Generating any kind of interest in their "work" to substantiate their existence and generate some coin is their sole objective. No doubt some of these clowns receive some "recognition" from agents to promote specific agendas.

Game tape doesn't lie; pi$$ on the combine and it's tests. The only value from the combine is perhaps the medicals and the opportunities to interview guys who've been on campus for a few years but still
can't talk or communicate in complete sentences.

What separates a buffoon like Kiper from a qualified scout (assessor of talent) is game tape analysis; or live game analysis.
Taken a step further, What separates a scout from a coach is consistent success in game and game tape analysis.
Taken another step further, what separates a good draft from a bad draft is game and game tape analysis; or how does a
player match up against real and meaningful competition, and this only occurs in games.

I'll wait and evaluate all the draft variables once the players have made a contribution to the club during 2010 and beyond.

In Shanahan I trust.

Posted by: psssst | April 27, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Kiper: ""Morris had his moments at Louisiana Tech. He caught my eye catching the football on a couple of touchdown receptions," Kiper said. "Austin did some things for UCLA. [Selvish] Capers needs some technique work, needs some coaching...Perry Riley could be a nice backup and maybe a starter down the road."Of New Mexico center Erik Cook, Kiper said, "The kid has got some physical ability. He's got a chance."

Translation: "C'mon, those are late-round choices. I don't scout anybody past the third round. Can't afford the bar bill."

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Selvish Capers is the best football name ever!

Posted by: bostskin | April 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree bostskin. What's in a name? In 2 years are we going to say man, that Perry Riley is a great football player? I don't think so, the name aint there. But is some other team going to say man, that Bruce Campbell, is a great. Yup, the name is a football name. What the heck is a Perry Riley?

Posted by: getitritegov | April 27, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I still am disappointed that the Redskins didn't draft OT Bruce Campbell with their fourth round pick. It's not like Artis Hicks or Stephon Heyer have much upside potential, and while 1st-2d round would have been too high for a "workout warrior" like Campbell a 4th rounder is great value.

To add insult to injury, there are loads of draft reviewers all giving kudos to the Raiders (along with frequent comments about "whodathunkit? The Raiders being smart?") for picking up Campbell three slots after the Redskins in the 4th round. Riley simply isn't that well rated, and if they had to have him there was a much better chance to get him in the 5th or 6th round than there was to get Campbell.

Of course I hope Riley proves me wrong and becomes a perennial Pro Bowler. But there doesn't seem to be much of a case for grabbing him over Campbell in the 4th round.

Posted by: Banzai45 | April 28, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

A sports writer interviewing a TV talking head to determine the quality of the draft? You have got to be kidding!

Kiper is the clown that said the Skins would take Clausen (sp?) with their 4th round pick.

JR, I expect better from you and the Wapo.

Posted by: boomer5 | April 28, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Correction 4th pick!

Need coffee....

Posted by: boomer5 | April 28, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I like McNabb but the Skins seem to be loaded with leftovers from other teams. Skins need more quality picks like Cooley, Silverbuns and Orakpo to balance out the negative vibe from mercenaries like Fat Albert.

Posted by: jercha | April 28, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Last five years:

Rick Gosselin - 86.2 - 1st place

Scouts Inc. - 79.6 - 7th place

Mel Kiper - 79 - 8th place

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | April 27, 2010 4:14 PM

Wow.. even with 8 kids and a PMS insane "cant dance" wife..
Rick Gosselin is awesome.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 28, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

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