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Mike Mayock agrees Redskins should target quarterback in NFL draft

We heard some draft thoughts last week from ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., and with the NFL Draft Combine about to begin, it's time to give the NFL Network's resident draft expert Mike Mayock the stage. When it comes to the Redskins' first-round pick, Mayock agrees with Kiper on the position the Redskins should target, though not the specific player.

"If you're the Washington Redskins, the first decision you have to make is the quarterback position," Mayock said Tuesday on a conference call with reporters. "If you believe there's a franchise quarterback available at No. 4, that trumps all other needs, in my opinion.

"If you think Sam Bradford is a franchise quarterback and that right shoulder is going to stand up medically, then I believe you have got to take Sam Bradford. Having said that, there's a school of thought out there also, you better upgrade your offensive line before you draft a young quarterback or he may get killed.

"But I always go back to the franchise quarterback trumps everything. So if Bradford or [Jimmy] Clausen, in your opinion, is the guy, I think you've got to take him at four. I think you've got to develop your young quarterback. And I believe when you come around there again at 37, there's going to be another offensive -- I've got seven offensive tackles and then a drop-off. I believe six of them may go this year in that first round. But I think the seventh guy still may be out there, the sixth guy may be out there. So franchise quarterback first and then you have to go get an offensive tackle."

Kiper has the Redskins selecting Clausen with the fourth overall pick.

"I think it's a little high at No. 4 for Jimmy Clausen, given the questions regarding leadership and some of those intangibles," Mayock said.

Mayock has Clausen falling to 13 or 14 in the first found.

It would seem if the Redskins wanted either quarterback, both Bradford and Clausen should be available. Mayock said while St. Louis needs a quarterback, it'd be tough to pass up a defensive tackle at the top of the draft.

"St. Louis has the same decision-making process right now that Washington does: How much do we believe in Bradford and how much do we believe in our medical reports about Bradford?" Mayock said.

By Rick Maese  |  February 23, 2010; 2:39 PM ET
 
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I still want us to sign FS Sharper and keep Clinton Portis. He's got a lot left.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Build the line and Campbell will, and can throw!

Posted by: min7th | February 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

i think taylor mays will snap mccluster in two.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Redskins cut and paster hard at work

JLC was a doosh but j reid does absolutely nothing

Posted by: jonthefisherman | February 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Get the tackle first. Mayock repeatedly said, "IF they think Bradford's surgically repaired shoulder will hold up or "IF" they don't believe the questions regarding Clausen's leadership abilities. I don't see any "IF"'s with drafting an o-lineman.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

here is the problem, we cant just hope a tackle falls to the skins, it is an ESSENTIAL AND DIRE NEED. I dont care if a combination of peyton manning/ joe montana/ and dan marino is back there, with heyer and whoever else starting at tackloe they are going to get injured. Its certain, and you cant invest that much in a franchise qb just to have him injured and truamatized, ask houston how that worked out.

Posted by: gtstang9t3 | February 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Draft a QB with a questionable shoulder to play behind a questionable line? This make huge sense LOL! The Redskins not only need a Left Tackle they need 2 Gs, another RT, and possibly a center at least for depth. WTF? Did any of these guys (Kiper, Mayock, et al) seen any of the Redskins games this past season?

Posted by: clark202 | February 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Mayock - IF Shanahan believes Bradford is the man, it should be an easy pick. If Shanahan believes the tackle is better, then the tackle should be the pick.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, o-lineman are always great - they never bust, oops we had a top 10 tackle bust on our team last year - anyone remember Big Mike Williams? He flamed out at Buffalo. I think he was the first tackle taken in his draft.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1

I hear ya about Haden.

I'm just of the unpopular crowd. I differ in the sense that I don't place as much value on CBs as most do. In terms of importance on field I feel they do the less; Now, heh heh, I realize there's a chance you take that outta context, so before it gets out of learned hand..Building a dominant secondary is one of the hardest things to do. Especially when there are fewer dominant CBs as there are dominant QBs and pretty much any other skill position. You'd be hard pressed to find Superbowl winning teams with dominant secondaries.

I digress.

I could very well be wrong about Taylor being the best, but where he is being projected in the first round is gonna be a complete steal for some contender!

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

As I said before...MAyock is my long lost twin brother....We think alike....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't see any "IF"'s with drafting an o-lineman.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 23, 2010 2:50 PM

Everybody is an 'IF' until they pann out.

BTW....Dr. Andrews wrote a letter to all 32 teams saying Bradford is ahead of schedule and recovery is 100% so far....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

So there is one QB worthy of a top ten pick if he's healthy according to Mayock. Ok. The QB trumps all. OK. Say Bradford is the Bradford from 2008, why wouldn't he go #1?

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

How come the redskins have the 5th pick in the 2nd round and not the 4th???

Posted by: kdaciek | February 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Shanahan would have put Campbell's mind at ease if he believed in him.

Campbell is in an intriguing situation.

No way Shanahan drafts a QB at #4 overall and wants to play him behind the current OL. Shanahan needs Campbell, if for nothing else, to take the pounding until he can redo the OL.

But ...

Campbell, if he's not wanted here, will get trade requests from other teams. Then Shanahan will need to decide whether to keep Campbell and get zero in compensation after 2010, or trade him now and get something. If he trades Campbell, we get a guy like Leftwich, whose job is to get pounded for year.

Draft a QB and keep Campbell? If that happens, my guess is that Campbell is out of DC this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Dude, bad example. No one here wants a MATT LEINERT over RUSSELL OKUNG. They want PEYTON MANNING over RUSSELL OKUNG. And that's what scouts are for. To be as certain as one can be that an OKUNG trumps a LEINERT.

Now if I thought either BRADFORD or CLAUSEN would be significantly better that OKUNG I'd be all for it. But I'm not convinced either will trump OKUNG - ever. Your argument does not persuade.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 2:22 PM
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??? I think you misunderstood the posting.. The Draft is a crap shoot (how many QBs selected 6 rounds before Brady??)..

OLine and QB are equal Needs for the Skins...

JC is subpar when compared to the other NFC East QBs.

And the Skins OLine needs to be seriously upgraded but will not be fixed with one OLine draftee..

You dont know that Okung will be successful anymore than Bradford....
But, if an Okung turns our less than average and Bradford also turns out less than average... Who has the better value, trade or otherwise? The skilled position, Bradford.

Conversely, if Okung is, as advertised and Bradford is, as advertised, who has the most impact in improving the Skins? Again, its Bradford.

Only once, in 25 years, did Polian take a OLine guy in the First round (OT Tony Ugoh) and he (unofficially) regretted it later.. for these same reasons..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Sam Bradford was knocked out for the season by BYU's defense. What the F*@K do you think would happen to him against the Cowboys, Giants, and Eagles?!?! Drafting a left tackle is not a preference, it's absolutely the only thing the Redskins can do with the #4 pick.

Clausen is a loser, just like Cutler and Jeff George. Yeah, the analysts love him because they prefer the Combine than actually winning games and being a leader.

Posted by: Section104 | February 23, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Draft a QB and keep Campbell? If that happens, my guess is that Campbell is out of DC this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 3:00 PM
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recall how Campbell and his Agent responded last year when Snyder was mancrushing on Sanchez.. If Sanchez had been acquired.. Jason's agent said they would request a Trade.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Say Bradford is the Bradford from 2008, why wouldn't he go #1?

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 2:59 PM

He could....We aren't gaureenteed Bradford at all.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

How come the redskins have the 5th pick in the 2nd round and not the 4th???

Posted by: kdaciek

When two teams are tied in record and draft order is broken by tiebreaker (as is case with us and KC with SOS), the order rotates throughout the draft.

We pick before them in round 1, they are first in round 2, etc.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

How come the redskins have the 5th pick in the 2nd round and not the 4th???

Posted by: kdaciek

When two teams are tied in record and draft order is broken by tiebreaker (as is case with us and KC with SOS), the order rotates throughout the draft.

We pick before them in round 1, they are first in round 2, etc.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 3:09 PM
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lets trade Jarmon for a 3rd round pick..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

JR spelled Mayock's name Maycock. Mistake, probably not.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Build the line and Campbell will, and can throw!

Posted by: min7th | February 23, 2010 2:44 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Go sell crazy somewhere else. Were all stocked up in here.

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | February 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

***Correction

Rick Mease spelled it Maycock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Bring Darren Sharper here...you have youth, speed and cover ability in our starting CB's (Hall, Sharper)

You've still got some young talent behind them...

MAKE THE MOVE!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

A franchise QB does trump all other needs, too bad there isn't a clear cut one in this draft. One guy has great character and accuracy but will probably spend more time in the trainers room than the meeting room. The other guy is a pampered prep star with a silver spoon in his mouth who has already shown how immature he is in college. Yeah it's too bad they weren't at #4 last year and could have got Sanchez but that doesn't mean you reach for a QB this year.

Posted by: moseley_brian | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You dont know that Okung will be successful anymore than Bradford....
But, if an Okung turns our less than average and Bradford also turns out less than average... Who has the better value, trade or otherwise? The skilled position, Bradford.

SkinsneedaGM-

Wrong, for top 10 players...If you draft a OT and he turns out less than average you can move him to RT or even OG. If a QB turns out to be less than average he can't play another position and the organization is set back 3-5 years.

What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

i think taylor mays will snap mccluster in two.

Posted by: Vicc


Yeah probably straight up, but he'd have to catch him first and that would include taking the proper angle to make just a solid tackle. And the boy McCluster has speed and moves to shake the oncoming defender.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Big-uglies win the freaking games for you. How long did Payton Manning and Drew Bress have to throw the ball.. it was crazy to watch and count the seconds they had... O-line first, O-line second, O-line 4th, then get a pretty boy or two with the last picks. O-line controls the tempo of the game and give the "D" a rest so they are fresh and don't have to blits 8 guys to get to the QB on third down.

Posted by: Burrasta1 | February 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Maycock agrees Redskins should target quarterback in NFL draft"

I'm conflicted.

I agree with Mayock on just about everything.

And the only way this declaration that the skins should take a quarterback works is this: you have to say that if folks are even discussing replacing Campbell, then he's a goner.

Then there's John Madden's line that if you aren't sure about your quarterback, then it means you don't have one.

Maybe Mayock is right when you see things that way.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Build the line and Campbell will, and can throw!

Posted by: min7th | February 23, 2010 2:44 PM
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Of course, but will it be overthrown or underthrown??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Conversely, if Okung is, as advertised and Bradford is, as advertised, who has the most impact in improving the Skins? Again, its Bradford.

Only once, in 25 years, did Polian take a OLine guy in the First round (OT Tony Ugoh) and he (unofficially) regretted it later.. for these same reasons..


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing re: the relative importance of a q-back vs. a LT especially with these arena football rules in force. I'm saying I don't want to chance an injured q-back over a health stud lineman. And if we take the #4 pick that's going to be our choice no matter how many letters are elicited from Dr. ANDREWS whose opinion I value more highly than an REDSKIN team doctor.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Tough choice.
A quarterback with a bad shoulder to get killed behind a bad offensive line.
A quarterback with poor leadership skills to get killed behind a bad offensive line.
An offensive tackle, to shore up the offensive line, protecting a proven(at least adequate) NFL quarterback.

Posted by: dboz1970 | February 23, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The QB trumps all. OK. Say Bradford is the Bradford from 2008, why wouldn't he go #1?

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 2:59 PM

Ever heard of a guy named Matt Leinart..

Considered the #1 pick, went back to school and went #10 overall and he had ZERO injury red flags.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!

Bring Darren Sharper here...you have youth, speed and cover ability in our starting CB's (Hall, Sharper)

You've still got some young talent behind them...

MAKE THE MOVE!!!

Posted by: rickyroge

Wouldn't that be the Old Snyder's way of thinking. Old vet who has a year or two left in the tank. Sharper was huge for the Saints but I hope the days of over paying aging vets are over.

Posted by: dcwun | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

On a side note beer and spelling don't mix

Posted by: Burrasta1 | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I just recd news on my cell from NFL Mobile live that the Top 4 teams in the NFL draft are discussing trading down !!!

Posted by: digitaldelight | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I just recd news on my cell from NFL Mobile live that the Top 4 teams in the NFL draft are discussing trading down !!!

Posted by: digitaldelight | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I posted this on another Skins blog but since it has been taken over by a raciest I am gonna post it again here.

We all know the skins struggled in the run game, but I was just looking over the stats for the RB's on our team trying to figure out what the YPC was, and I realized something. You take out Jason Cambells scramble yards and we actually ranked 32nd in the league in rushing. Not 26th as the team stats would tell you. Now I do not recall the Redskins run any bootleg plays where Campbell was supposed to run the ball so I think most his yards were on broken plays or what have you.
Anyway you take out Campbell's yards and we had 1274 rushing yards. Now some may be thinking, its not fair to take out 1 QB and leave in the QBs on the other 32 teams, and they are right so I did that math as well and Washington is still dead last.
Anyway here is how each team does when you remove QB rushing yards, I tried my best to leave in wildcat QB's as they are designed run plays, so keep that in mind with teams like PHI and MIA I thought that was fair
NYJ 2649
CAR 2441
TEN 2296
MIA 2191
BAL 2113
NO 2085
DAL 1998
CLE 1983
CIN 1951
MIN 1921
NE 1854
ATL 1823
DEN 1769
NYG 1745
KC 1740
JAX 1706
PIT 1694
STL 1680
Buf 1620
GB 1574
OAK 1508
PHI 1498
AZ 1488
SF 1479
SEA 1445
Hou 1409
DET 1384
SD 1382
CHI 1319
TB 1312
Ind 1303
WAS 1274

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

If they can steel a UFA tackle in March (Danny probably has told Allen he'll break out the checkbook), Skins probably draft a QB at #4, and take a tackle at #36.

That leaves right guard to play itself out in camp, as well as backup center, and back up left guard.

They could take a RB/punt returner in the 4th round, a C/G in the 5th, and a LB special teamer in the 7th.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

With our line and the weapons or lack thereof last year, how many wins would Eli, Romo or McNabb have led the Skins to? 6 or 7 at the most?

JC is not the problem, give him time and he can get the job done with a solid team around him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

On a side note beer and spelling don't mix

Posted by: Burrasta1

That is so turue

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

No matter who the QB is next year, Allen/Shanahan aren't going to tolerate the guy getting pounded. They'll piece together a line from free agents, rookies, and whatever talent they can pull from last year's pool of linemen. Now, not all of those sacks last year were the linemen's fault. A good portion of those sacks resulted from the QB missing reads and sliding into pass-rushers rather than stepping away from them.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd still take Okung at 4

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I just hope and pray Shanallen has better sense than to listen to those 2 tools (Kiper and Mayock). Neither has ever coached so what do they know?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, how could you not like 'Hov?

"Young run through you ni**as
Like a glitch in a computer ni**a
I'm the s**t I would sue a ni**a
This is Jay every-day
No days off, Ferris Bueller, ni**a"

And that just half-assin' a rhyme.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Then there's John Madden's line that if you aren't sure about your quarterback, then it means you don't have one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 3:20 PM

That's the issue. No one knows how Shanny and staff feel about JC.

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Who is Maycock? Mayock is the name. You could at least get the name right in the headline and mess it up in the article so it wouldn't be as noticeable. Anyway, I hope Shanahan and his staff get to build the team and not Dan Snyder, Mel Kiper, Mike Mayock, or anyone else. Unless, of course, Shanahan rings me up or sends me a text soliciting my expertise!

Posted by: bkhoward1 | February 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This is crap. CRAP. Dan Marino won zero super bowls. Would you rather have a stud QB behind a shoddy line or a journeyman QB behind the best line in the league? We already know the answer. The skins won 3 super bowls with the hogs.

Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly | February 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

can I just do a carbon copy of 99% of the RI posts?

Draft offensive tackle, you can't draft a young QB and put him behind our line!!!!!!!!! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Because obviously Shanny and Allen are dumb enough to draft a young franchise QB and just count on their starter falling to the second round, there is no way they could possibly upgrade the line except with their 5 picks (5 picks to find 3 starters on the line btw) in the draft so picking the QB first dooms the team to having the same line they had last year........

Posted by: zjfr2 | February 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

JC's line consisted of tomato cans (Jones, Monty, Heyer, Rhino). He had the worst rushing attack in the league, lost his best TE, no #2 receiver stepped up till the end of the season and yet he still made improvements in almost every category. People who use JC as the scapegoat don't know football.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

My bad:

"Young run through you ni**as
Like a glitch in a computer ni**a
I'm the s**t, I'm a sewer a ni**a
This is Jay every-day
No days off, Ferris Bueller, ni**a"

Ha-ha, even better

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL I just noticed it was "Maycock". He might, we just don't know.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Thankfully this guy is not running our draft.

Posted by: bogardp | February 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Porsche manuever thru the city like New York sewers, stinkin' up the air, Central Park, horse manure..

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The QB trumps all. OK. Say Bradford is the Bradford from 2008, why wouldn't he go #1?


Because he plays in a system, Mike Leach's spread, that has never produced a quality nfl qb. Because in all his highlights there is no one remotely close to him. Because he has never shown up in big games. Because he was surrounded by superior talent at Oklahoma its hard to gauge how good he actually is. Shall I go on?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Build the line and Campbell will, and can throw!"

"Of course, but will it be overthrown or underthrown?"

Again: this is where Shanny thinking gets a little cagey.

You'd like to think he'd want his guy running things and the thing is, Campbell isn't his guy.

And no matter what we think about re-building the line to give JC a chance, most new head coaches will want their hand selected draftee to be the guy they hang their hopes on.

Bradford or Clausen?: I'd say we'd better get used to the idea of either one of them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Not on no hollerin' tip, but:

My gosh, a female callin' a dude a "tool"?

IMO, very provocative.

**reeee-OW**

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

If they say 4 is too high then try and trade down a few spots and get a third round pick back.

Posted by: Pensfans | February 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

JLC was a doosh but j reid does absolutely nothing

Posted by: jonthefisherman | February 23, 2010 2:47 PM

jonthefisherman is finally right -- but for the wrong reason. Since the post was by Rick Maese, it's true that "j reid does absolutely nothing."

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You dont know that Okung will be successful anymore than Bradford....
But, if an Okung turns our less than average and Bradford also turns out less than average... Who has the better value, trade or otherwise? The skilled position, Bradford.

SkinsneedaGM-

Wrong, for top 10 players...If you draft a OT and he turns out less than average you can move him to RT or even OG. If a QB turns out to be less than average he can't play another position and the organization is set back 3-5 years.

What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM |
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Yep.. thats probably what the Buffalo Bills thought when they used their #4 pick of the 1st round in 2002 on the OLine..
Ever heard of him..? Mike Williams? Don't recall them moving Mike around much... other than eventually letting him go as a bust.

Regarding Bradford are you sure its a "torn AC joint"?
I thought he sustained a sprain of the AC joint and a torn ligament?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Right. Never mind protecting that number 4 QB pick.

Posted by: hz9604 | February 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

There are no quick fixes out there at QB and Snyder isn't going to tolerate another 4-12 season. There might not even be a "solid" QB in the first few rounds of the draft. Bradford and Clausen are crapshoots.

Posted by: rich20ssu | February 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

We should make a play for Michael Bush...

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Raiders have been shopping much of their roster, including Nnamdi Asomugha.
Asomugha is considered "untradeable" due to a contract that guarantees either the franchise number for quarterbacks or $16.875 million, whichever number is greater. The report isn't all that surprising considering Al Davis' shenanigans over the past half-decade, but the Raiders just don't have that many players with significant trade value. Feb. 23 - 12:48 pm et

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | February 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I just recd news on my cell from NFL Mobile live that the Top 4 teams in the NFL draft are discussing trading down !!!

Posted by: digitaldelight | February 23, 2010 3:24 PM

Wow, that's hot! I just received news on my cell that the earth is round.

This time of year, every team is discussing trading down, not just the top four. If you're a GM, that's your job. Once in a while it pays off, but mostly it's just chatting up your friends and competitors.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If they say 4 is too high then try and trade down a few spots and get a third round pick back.

Posted by: Pensfans | February 23, 2010 3:38 PM

Takes two to trade back. I can tell by your handle that I'm not going to like you. Crosby has a ring but Ovie individually is his daddy.

Why don’t you just come on RI with a Boysfans handle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

4th, how could you not like 'Hov?

"Young run through you ni**as
Like a glitch in a computer ni**a
I'm the s**t I would sue a ni**a
This is Jay every-day
No days off, Ferris Bueller, ni**a"

And that just half-assin' a rhyme.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Thats about the opposite of talent... :(
Rhyme scheme of a 8 yo crack baby.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | February 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This is from ESPN. It's talking about the Rams, but I think appropriate to Skin's discussion...
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The quarterback dilemma

The Rams need a quarterback, no question, and if Bradford is good enough to go in the top 10, shouldn't the Rams at least consider him as the top choice?

"I would have a very difficult time taking him first overall because of the shoulder problem and questions about the scheme he was in," Muench said. "I don’t think any of these quarterbacks is going to sniff the first overall pick. I would be surprised, to put it gently."

Rang thinks the Rams will seek a strong leader in their next franchise quarterback.

"With Bradford, I think there is a perception, fair or not, that he is not a rah-rah leader kind of guy," Rang said. "He is pretty quiet. I think for a guy like [Rams coach] Steve Spagnuolo -- a passionate coach, and his guys play hard for him -- I think he would want a guy who would want some innate leadership skills. That is a little bit of a question mark with Bradford."

This point resonated with me because the Rams' current quarterback, Marc Bulger, suffers from the same perceptions. I do think the Rams will want their next quarterback to show more obvious signs of strong leadership.

Although it's possible the Rams will fall for Bradford at the combine, general manager Billy Devaney has vowed the team won't dramatically adjust its thinking on players based on a few days in Indianapolis.

All signs point to one of the defensive tackles.

The Rams are big believers in building from the inside out. They spent last offseason rebuilding their offensive line. Rebuilding the defensive line is a logical next step, particularly with a defensive-minded head coach who wants to build a deep rotation up front.

"I hate the quarterback class and that is where the Rams have to look in free agency and see what they can get for at least a year," Muench said. "Next year’s class is shaping up to be a little better."

Posted by: TWISI | February 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think its telling that that rams who have the number one pick and need a quarterback worse than anybody else dont seem to be terribly excited about Bradford or Clausen. If these guys are so coveted as "franchise" qbs why does the franchise who may need a qb to keep them in St.Louis seem to be lukewarm to bringing them in?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

F the franchise if they select Clausen or Bradford at number 4. There is no franchise quarterback in this draft period. I don't know about the other tier QB's, but the top tier this year sucks. I would rather get a sure thing pro bowl offensive lineman and get the QB of the future later bc whomever that may be has just as much of a chance as the supposed top tier guys.

Posted by: rphilli721 | February 23, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Just remember that with a terrific O line.the Skins won with QB`s Rypien, and Williams.
You need a franchise O line..and then everything else gets a lot better. I doubt a player such as LT in his prime could have been more than average behind Washington`s
O line.
Also remember that there are potentially franchise QB`s who are not drafted (Romo) or drafted in late rounds like a Brady.
If you blow a number 4 pick on a Qb..it might be years before you get a true return..because of the normal learning curve plus.. how weak the line is.
Considering how long it has been since the Skins drafted any O linemen of any potential it is a no brainer that they use their top picks on the offensive line.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 23, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

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Begging me to stop
Cuz These lawyers getting money
Everytime they knock us
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Suckas bleed when they notice
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Had the rap game closed
Expose foes, with my hocus pocus flows
They froze
Now suckas idealize my choosen Blows
More money mean litigating
More Playa hating
Got a cell at the penn for me waiting
Is this my fate
Miss me with that misdemeaner thinking
Me fall back
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We all that
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Everyone roll with me is family
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Got us all meeting up in Prison
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Written in Blood
Saying, "Please show a young playa love"
Hold your head
Hold it


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I rest my case......Didn't even have a cuss word in it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

If these guys are so coveted as "franchise" qbs why does the franchise who may need a qb to keep them in St.Louis seem to be lukewarm to bringing them in?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | February 23, 2010 3:47 PM

Your highness,

Do you believe that the Rams are tipping their hands this early in the draft? Is it possible that they plan to take Bradford and they want someone else to trade for their #1 pick so they can take him lower plus garner an extra pick?

Maybe yes, maybe no, but I think the informational content of this story is zero at best.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

i think taylor mays will snap mccluster in two.

Posted by: Vicc


Yeah probably straight up, but he'd have to catch him first and that would include taking the proper angle to make just a solid tackle. And the boy McCluster has speed and moves to shake the oncoming defender.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 23, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?

I'm definitely no draft guru like Kiper and Mayock, but I will offer one lock of a superstar: Rolando McClain.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Just remember that with a terrific O line.the Skins won with QB`s Rypien, and Williams.-----------


Posted by: blazerguy234 | February 23, 2010 3:53 PM

Dude...Those lines were 6/7 years in the making and already established by the time Doug and Rypien came around....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Clearly selecting a "franchise" QB is trumps everything else. Even with a slowly rebuilding o-line, the young QB can sit and learn for a year without having to take the inevitable beating handed to the starting QB by the line. That isn't the question.

The big question is whether or not Bradford and/or Clausen are "franchise" QBs. You have to be very, very confident of that evaluation before you lay down $70 million for an unproven and high-risk selection like that.

Posted by: psps23 | February 23, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Why does what some idiot sport writer make news with this stuff. If Shanhan drafts a qb in the first round then he has decide not to have a winning team for the foreseeable future. There do not appear to be any franchise qb’s in this draft. Maybe next year but then hopefully we will not be drafting in the top ten.

Posted by: drpolarbear | February 23, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I just feel better having Shanahan and group making the decision whether it's a QB or Tackle than Vinny making it. I do think Shanahan can judge talent. In Denver when he left, the offense was a Super Bowl offense. If you would have given Shanahan 2 more years to work on the defense, Denver would definitely had been a contender...Thank goodness Vinny is gone.

Posted by: redskinbo | February 23, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"I'm definitely no draft guru like Kiper and Mayock, but I will offer one lock of a superstar: Rolando McClain."

Actually:

Dez Bryant

CJ Spiller

Joe Haden

Jordan Shipley

Gerald McCoy

......are the guys folks will be hating they didn't take next Fall.

Nothing against McClain, mind you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Stop the JC experiment. It's over . Time to move on. For all we know , maybe the o-line wasn't as bad as everyone thought. Maybe Campbell was too slow reading defenses and held the ball too long. DUH!

Posted by: theBozyn1 | February 23, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

L-S if the Rams have the first pick and don't plan on trading back they have no benefit or anything in terms of what they put out there, shoot they are allowed to Select their player before the draft even starts.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

What teams would benefit from getting Campbell?

Arizona
Carolina
SF
StL
Seattle
Minn
Tampa
Buffalo
Oakland
Cleveland

A few others that might benefit, but I think are committed for now.

KC
Jacksonville
Dolphins
Denver

All in all, there will be a market for Campbell, and not a small one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

nice one pulling 2pac, 4thfloor.

too many musicians die b4 30. Aaliyah used to be my #1.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Yep.. thats probably what the Buffalo Bills thought when they used their #4 pick of the 1st round in 2002 on the OLine..
Ever heard of him..? Mike Williams? Don't recall them moving Mike around much... other than eventually letting him go as a bust.

Regarding Bradford are you sure its a "torn AC joint"?
I thought he sustained a sprain of the AC joint and a torn ligament?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 3:39 PM

We can play this game...

Top 10 picks that where QB busts
Akili Smith
Joey Harrington
Jamarcus Russell
Tim Couch
David Carr
Alex Smith
Ryan Leaf
Heath Shuler
Rick Mirer
Andre Ware
Todd Blackledge
David Klinger
Rich Campbell
Kelly Stouffer
Art Schlichter.

Top 10 picks that were OL busts
Levi Jones
Mike Willams
Tony Mandarich
Robert Gallery- although a productive OG, not worthy of the 2nd overall

Bradford suffered a 3rd degree AC joint sprain against BYU and then reinjured/tore his AC joint against Texas weeks later. They never listed his diagnosis but surgery wasn’t an option when he originally sprained it but it would be if he tore it.

Just too many red flags for me and I’m not even talking about OU’s system, the superior talent he played with or his arm strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't NEED a QB. They NEED an offensive line.They have a good QB that will be highly productive behind a solid o-line.

I don't care where they might be projected, Claussen and Bradford are not NFL QBs and never will be. This is not the year to be drafting a QB. Bradford is fragile and Claussen is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

kc just used a 2nd on Cassell, and comitted a buncha money to him, so cancel KC out of that....Cleveland has a former pro-bowl qb as well as a high first round pick in Quinn on their roster, so I doubt there as well...SF has alex smith, whom Singletary wants to see what he can do, so doubt it there too....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't NEED a QB. They NEED an offensive line.They have a good QB that will be highly productive behind a solid o-line.

I don't care where they might be projected, Claussen and Bradford are not NFL QBs and never will be. This is not the year to be drafting a QB. Bradford is fragile and Claussen is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't NEED a QB. They NEED an offensive line.They have a good QB that will be highly productive behind a solid o-line.

I don't care where they might be projected, Claussen and Bradford are not NFL QBs and never will be. This is not the year to be drafting a QB. Bradford is fragile and Claussen is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

What teams would benefit from getting Campbell?

Arizona
Carolina
SF
StL
Seattle
Minn
Tampa
Buffalo
Oakland
Cleveland

A few others that might benefit, but I think are committed for now.

KC
Jacksonville
Dolphins
Denver

All in all, there will be a market for Campbell, and not a small one.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM
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Jax and Cleve are flush and deep with ubertalented OLine guys.. 2 for 1 Campbell Deal (we can dream).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't NEED a QB. They NEED an offensive line.They have a good QB that will be highly productive behind a solid o-line.

I don't care where they might be projected, Claussen and Bradford are not NFL QBs and never will be. This is not the year to be drafting a QB. Bradford is fragile and Claussen is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Skins don't NEED a QB. They NEED an offensive line.They have a good QB that will be highly productive behind a solid o-line.

I don't care where they might be projected, Claussen and Bradford are not NFL QBs and never will be. This is not the year to be drafting a QB. Bradford is fragile and Claussen is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | February 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

L-S if the Rams have the first pick and don't plan on trading back they have no benefit or anything in terms of what they put out there, shoot they are allowed to Select their player before the draft even starts.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 23, 2010 4:03 PM

Alex,

Let me try this again. This is my hypothetical: (1) They intend to pick Bradford. (2) They believe he will still be available at, say #6. (3) They realize that everyone else wants to take Suh.

Now, do they have a better prospect of getting someone to trade for #1 if they make people believe: (a) We're gonna take Bradford, or (b) We're gonna take Suh?

EVERY team, even the #1, has an incentive to put out misleading information.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That might be true too. I have to wait and see if taylor runs a sub 4.4 40. I can't remember the last 6'4" athlete to run that fast of a time in the NFL; Randy Moss?


Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor (although technically he didn't run the 40, the finish line came to him)

I miss Sean.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 23, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"All in all, there will be a market for Campbell, and not a small one."

The vikings are the only team deep enough to toss out a bone or two of a draft pick for Campbell.

The vikes are locked donw by Favre, and if he leaves, what, they are going to hand over their playoff ready roster to a rookie or T Jackson?

Don't think so.

The vikes can be sold on the idea that Campbell needs blocking and a running game to flourish.

He's a caretaker in the mould of Difler/Delhomme, not a gunslinger.

And if they hand over a 3rd or fourth rounder and a player, it's a move worth making for both parties.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 23, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Etrod - I feel ya....I ain't even mad at the Double times Triple time Qaudrouple repeats!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Asst GM: quintuplet post
O_etrod: sextuplet post

not so well done.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Aaliyah used to be my #1.

Posted by: Vicc | February 23, 2010 4:05 PM

YES! She was me wife..... I never remarried after she passed...their all just imatations nowadays....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I ain't even mad at the Double times Triple time Qaudrouple repeats!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM

Bunch of triple posts up here. Might be Losable Type's way of reasserting control.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I ain't even mad at the Double times Triple time Qaudrouple repeats!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM

Bunch of triple posts up here. Might be Losable Type's way of reasserting control.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I ain't even mad at the Double times Triple time Qaudrouple repeats!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM

Bunch of triple posts up here. Might be Losable Type's way of reasserting control.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I ain't even mad at the Double times Triple time Qaudrouple repeats!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 23, 2010 4:19 PM

Bunch of triple posts up here. Might be Losable Type's way of reasserting control.

Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: League-Source | February 23, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Left tackle, QB, RB, pass rushing defensive end, CB, WR in order of priority for this team - at least in terms of their first round pick

Posted by: BenThere | February 23, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins choose a QB, then I will feel confident in their chocie, because I think Shanahan knows if a QB is a franchise QB or not.

Remember just a few years ago, all the scrunity of a guy name Drew Brees...

However, even the best of scouts and all the prognosticators just don't know for sure...Tom Brady going #199.

I think the 3 most important quailities in a QB are, in oder, #1 Accuracy, #2 Inteligence, and #3 Arm strength. I hear Bradford is very accurate and inteligent.

The other thing that makes me think Bradford will turn out good, is how well he played in the Big 12 as a freshmen.

Posted by: redskinbo | February 23, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

It would be insane for the Redskins to take any quarterback with the 4th pick -- let alone someone like Sam Bradford who can't bump into someone on line at the cafeteria without dislocating his shoulder.

Washington has proven time and time again how a great offensive line and a good quarterback are a much more potent combination than a great quarterback and a good offensive line.

Are you telling me Mark Rypien and Doug Williams were better than Sonny Jergensen?

If no offensive lineman worthy of the 4th pick is available when the Skins turn comes up, then they need to trade down and get extra picks so they can get multiple linemen.

This will be the first test to see whether Dan Snyder has really turned-over the reigns of the player-personnel department over to Allen. Because there is nothing flashy about grabbing a couple of lineman in the first round. 10 years of flash over substance are what got this team where it is.

Taking Sam Bradford means nothing has changed.

Kevin Olson
Manassas, VA

Posted by: noslok | February 23, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Bradford suffered a 3rd degree AC joint sprain against BYU and then reinjured/tore his AC joint against Texas weeks later. They never listed his diagnosis but surgery wasn’t an option when he originally sprained it but it would be if he tore it.

Just too many red flags for me and I’m not even talking about OU’s system, the superior talent he played with or his arm strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 23, 2010 4:07 PM
================================
confusing.. Earlier said he tore the AC Joint?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 23, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | February 23, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

SO IN THE CASE OF ST LOUIS, A DT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A QB. BUT, THE REDSKINS CAN TAKE A FRANCHISE QB AT THE 4TH PICK. A FRANCHISE QB COMING OFF 2 SHOULDER INJURIES.

DO YOU ALL GET THE BS COMING OUT THIS GUY'S MOUTH. A FRANCHISE WORTHY QB AT #4, BUT NOT AT 1.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 23, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

SO IN THE CASE OF ST LOUIS, A DT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A QB. BUT, THE REDSKINS CAN TAKE A FRANCHISE QB AT THE 4TH PICK. A FRANCHISE QB COMING OFF 2 SHOULDER INJURIES.

DO YOU ALL GET THE BS COMING OUT THIS GUY'S MOUTH. A FRANCHISE WORTHY QB AT #4, BUT NOT AT 1.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 23, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

SO IN THE CASE OF ST LOUIS, A DT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN A QB. BUT, THE REDSKINS CAN TAKE A FRANCHISE QB AT THE 4TH PICK. A FRANCHISE QB COMING OFF 2 SHOULDER INJURIES.

DO YOU ALL GET THE BS COMING OUT THIS GUY'S MOUTH. A FRANCHISE WORTHY QB AT #4, BUT NOT AT 1.

Posted by: oknow1 | February 23, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I think what he stated if Shanahan doesnt think Campbell is the qb then go ahead take Bradford or Clausen. But honestly i think neither are a franchise qb. Campbell is closer to that then either. The one thing i would like to say is all of Campbell short coming and people reasoning for why Campbell sucks is all valid and have the right, but it so easy when team has failed and played bad that its easy to notice Campbells weakness and forgot about his strengths when the talent around him is poor. Obviously for what things been reported Campbell will be the guy this year and will see hopefully oline will be fixed and weapons will be added to assist Campbell because look at the Brees and Manning each guy while there offense are different have 6 to 9 quality pieces they can throw to and trust. cant say that about the past redskin teams. Also Shanahan drafting qb has not shown that even if they do take bradford or clausen that he can develope them.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think what he stated if Shanahan doesnt think Campbell is the qb then go ahead take Bradford or Clausen. But honestly i think neither are a franchise qb. Campbell is closer to that then either. The one thing i would like to say is all of Campbell short coming and people reasoning for why Campbell sucks is all valid and have the right, but it so easy when team has failed and played bad that its easy to notice Campbells weakness and forgot about his strengths when the talent around him is poor. Obviously for what things been reported Campbell will be the guy this year and will see hopefully oline will be fixed and weapons will be added to assist Campbell because look at the Brees and Manning each guy while there offense are different have 6 to 9 quality pieces they can throw to and trust. cant say that about the past redskin teams. Also Shanahan drafting qb has not shown that even if they do take bradford or clausen that he can develope them.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think what he stated if Shanahan doesnt think Campbell is the qb then go ahead take Bradford or Clausen. But honestly i think neither are a franchise qb. Campbell is closer to that then either. The one thing i would like to say is all of Campbell short coming and people reasoning for why Campbell sucks is all valid and have the right, but it so easy when team has failed and played bad that its easy to notice Campbells weakness and forgot about his strengths when the talent around him is poor. Obviously for what things been reported Campbell will be the guy this year and will see hopefully oline will be fixed and weapons will be added to assist Campbell because look at the Brees and Manning each guy while there offense are different have 6 to 9 quality pieces they can throw to and trust. cant say that about the past redskin teams. Also Shanahan drafting qb has not shown that even if they do take bradford or clausen that he can develope them.

Posted by: cjdwolfpack | February 23, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

All you Skins fans are morons. IF Shanny drafts a Bradford or Clausen, do you really think he'd start them next season? Of course not you idiots. He'll sit behind JC and learn the game while the team rebuilds the O-Line, which they will do this year and next. I see them trading down from the 4th pick, because they only have 5 total this year, and still get a QB, extra picks and O-Line help. Still won't matter in the NFC East b/c Danny Boy will find a way to screw it up and you'll all be on the bottom looking up, AGAIN.

Posted by: birdfanfromAZ | February 23, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's biggest problem (and unfortunately the Skins too) is video. Teams have the same tapes that Charlie Casserly used to show Campbell's incompetency. Teams didn't think very much of Campbell's ability last off-season and I don't think they were any more impressed from his performance last season. There will be a market for him - most likely valued in 3rd-4th round compensation.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Great LT + Average QB = Average Offense
Great QB + Average LT = Great Offense

This is an easy call if the Skins think either Bradford or Clausen can play and the guys at Redskin Park are a heck of a lot more tuned in to the talent than anyone on this blog.

Posted by: Sonny9 | February 23, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins should take a QB in the draft AND come to terms with a free agent QB. While JC17 is reportedly a nice guy -- and perhaps the sort of fellow you'd like to have dating your kid brother if he were gay -- I don't think the fans can take another season of excuses, alibis and losses under this worthless excuse for a pro QB. The guy is a consumate loser, but continues to start because (some say) there are no other viable alternatives. Well, bench this loser and get somebody (anybody) else out there who can get it done.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 23, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Seeing that no rookie QB is going to make this team better in one season build the line then worry about a QB. Because even a good QB is not that good without a line. And you really cant measure a QB while he is running for his life. There is a reason you people are on blogs and dont have jobs for NFL teams. Most of you dont have a clue but you think you could be a NFL GM.

Posted by: ged0386 | February 23, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Some of you offensive line lovers are hilarious--and this is coming from a guy who played offensive line in HS and college.

In today's NFL, QB is--easily--the most important position on the field. Someone cited Manning and Brees having all sorts of time to throw. One of the main reasons why both QB's have so much time to throw is that defenses don't load the box when facing the Colts and Saints, because Manning and Brees have proven that they can make plays under pressure.

Also, if any Joe Blow can play QB with a bunch of solid "Big Uglies," then explain to me how Minnesota had one of the best OL's in the league for several years and still sucked ass? How much time does T. Jackson have to "throw" behind the best OL in football, and did it even matter?

The Redskins cannot rebuild their entire offensive line with one pick. Why is this so complicated? They can, though, rebuild QB with one pick and then draft four new starting offensive linemen after the next two drafts. Jesus Christ.

Posted by: redskins459 | February 23, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

*T. Jackson had

**Over the next two drafts

Posted by: redskins459 | February 23, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

" I don't see any "IF"'s with drafting an o-lineman.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

There are always 'ifs'. For every Jake Long, there's a Jason Smith -- not necessarily a bust, but somebody who struggles for a season or two. And the evidence is that unlike QBs, you can get starting-quality o-linemen in the second and third round. Mayock has seven linemen in his top tier, but the dropoff to the next group is a lot smaller than among QBs.

Right now this looks like a two QB draft. Somebody could sneak in late, the way Jay Cutler did when everybody's attention was focused on Vince Young and Leinart. Could be LeFevour, or even Jevan Snead. Or maybe no one.

You have to remember that Mike Shanahan hasn't had a choice this high, well, ever. For him, Jay Cutler at 11 was a little piece of heaven (by the way, despite last year, Jay Cutler is a much better QB than either of the guys who went before him.)

Because Big Mike has never been before, and has something of a history of drafting defensive players with first round picks, it's pretty much impossible to predict what he's going to do. We're going to have to wait and see.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 23, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess it's impossible to get a quarterback AND rebuild an offensive line. Heaven forbid the Skins try to do 2 things at once. Vinny didn't draft any linemen so now Shanny has to over-compensate by drafting 5 in one draft. Yeah, rookie o-linemen are sure bets. Just ask Big Mike Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 23, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell is the man!! He's our star quarterback and I see him going to the HOF.

Posted by: bdbyptr | February 23, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, if anyone over there at Redskins Park is actually working and earning their paycheck (Allen), then we should be positioning to turn that #4 pick into two or three picks.

I think we should get a QB in the draft, but I'm not holding my breath for the next Peyton Manning (notice I didn't say Joe Montana? Even the greats can blow the Super Bowl now and then), and I don't see any rookie starting and winning, let alone surviving behind our line.

I just agree that #4 is high for Clausen... We've got Colt Brennan, there are Free Agents out there, and our line is more important.

Heck, if we can RUN the ball next year, we'll be at least 5 wins better than last. MAN, we stunk up the league last year!

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 24, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Besides, Clinton Portis was running his mouth again, and not a word of it on RI.

WTF.

PS - still not happy about ditching Chase Daniels. I know, he's short. And so was Emmitt Smith. And Montana was too skinny and had no arm. And Riggins was too drunk.

Anyway.

What about Brett Favre?

Posted by: Thinker_ | February 24, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Take the best OL available at 4 and every other stinkin pick! Build the OL and teach 'em up on the zone blocking scheme then go out and start tumping people - the rest will follow.

Posted by: kone | February 24, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

we always complain about snyder and the front office thinking short term - isn't drafting o-line and sticking w campbell short term. that might make us better next year but the long term goal is a superbowl.i'm not saying draft a qb 1st no matter what but if the skins think bradford or clausen is a franchise qb they should draft him now and let him develop. let's see how they look in the combine and in pre draft workouts 1st before saying they will be busts.

Posted by: jnicol2 | February 24, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Maycock is just stating the obvious. If you think you need a QB and you have the number 4 pick, and you think that a certain QB is a franchise QB at the 4th spot, then you draft him. Duh, what kind of statement is that? Any fool knows that is the obvious. The real question is, does Maycock think that Bradford is a franchise QB. Otherwise don't need his useless obvious comments.

Posted by: getitritegov | February 24, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

As I have said before. The Redskins won Super Bowls with Mark Ripen and a old non mobile Doug Williams. They could not even have a wining season with Sonny. Charley Tailor and Bobby Mitchell.

A couple of years ago the NY Giants beat New England in the Super Bowl because their DL was better than NE OL.

Another thing their seems to be and inordinate amount of criticism of Campbell. He is as good as either Romo or Manning he does not have the tools they have to work with. Who on the Redskins offense would start for the cowboys? Maybe Campbell
Cowboys--------------------Eagles-------------Giants-----------------------------Redskins
Williams, Roy-----Jeremy Maclin-------Steve Smith--------------------Santana Moss 3,4
Adams, Flozell---Jason Peters---------David Diehl---------------------Levi Jones 3,4
Kosier, Kyle-------Tod Herremans-----Rich Seubert--------------------Derrick Dockery 3,4
Gurode, Andre---Nick Cole--------------Shaun O'Hara-----------------Casey Rabach 3,4
Davis, Leonard---Max Jean-Giles-----Chris Snee----------------------Mike Williams 4
Colombo, Marc---Winston Justice-----Kareem McKenzie-----------Stephon Heyer 4
Austin, Miles-------DeSean Jackson---Sinorice Moss-----------------Devin Thomas 3,4
Romo, Tony-------Donovan McNabb--Eli Manning--------------------Jason Campbell 3,4
Anderson, Deon--Lenord Weaver-----Madison Hedgecock---------Mike Sellers 3,4
Barber, Marion----Brian Westbrook---Brandon Jacobs--------------Portis, Clinton 4
Witten, Jason------Brent Celek----------Kevin Boss--------------------Cooley, Chris 2

Santana Moss might start for the Giants maybe Dockery and Cooley for someone. Who else besides Campbell would start for anyone else? The Viking offence when down hill with injuries to the OL, The steelers OL went away and how far did they go? As good a QB I ever saw John Elway did not win until he was old because he did not have the support he needed. Dan Marino never won. Clint Dilfer has a ring and noone thinks he is going to the hall of fame.

Posted by: Oldtimer42 | February 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM-

"Wrong, for top 10 players...If you draft a OT and he turns out less than average you can move him to RT or even OG. If a QB turns out to be less than average he can't play another position and the organization is set back 3-5 years.

What part of injury red flag do you not get with drafting a QB with a torn AC joint.

OL is a need and Okung = Minimal risk.
QB is a want and Bradford = High risk"

AKA42

Great point SkinsneedaGM-! Finally somebody backs up the reason to draft a LT. If the OL we select doesn't work at LT, we can move hIm to another spot on the line. Best case would be to trade back & I only see that happening if Berry or Mcoy is there. These QB's are not a good fit in our scheme. I think the kid from
C. Michigan in the 2nd round or even the 6'6 guy from Fordham would be great in the 4th round. If we draft a QB & he fails,this decade will be a bust! These so called experts keep saying we can find an OL in the 2nd round, that is true,but most likely a RT because true talentd LT go in round one. Again we need Berry to fall to us at #4 in order to trade back because at least dozen teams will want him. HAIL!!!


Posted by: adamaniba | February 24, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"Top 10 picks that were OL busts
Levi Jones
Mike Willams
Tony Mandarich
Robert Gallery- although a productive OG, not worthy of the 2nd overall"

Is it a bad sign that two of those guys started games for us this past year?

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

This is crap. CRAP. Dan Marino won zero super bowls. Would you rather have a stud QB behind a shoddy line or a journeyman QB behind the best line in the league? We already know the answer. The skins won 3 super bowls with the hogs.
Posted by: biffgrifftheoneandonly
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Marino won zero super bowls because he had no defense and no running game. But he did prove how a QB can make the whole team better. Ben Roethlisberger won 2 super bowls with a pretty crappy OL. The hogs were great but Theismann, Schroeder/Williams and Rypien were all better than Campbell and that why they won. And lastly explain again how if we keep Campbell we get the best line in the league??? You think drafing Okung does that??? Skins need to improve BOTH QB and OL. Shanahan can decide whether we draft a QB in the 1st round or the second but either way Campbell and at least 3 guys on the OL have to be replaced...

Posted by: sovine08 | February 24, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If you have a chance to get a franchise QB, you take it, and figure the rest out later.

That being said, you have to be sure down to your bones that the guy you pick is franchise QB material, not just because he's the highest QB on the 'board'. Because, at least for right now, the franchise investment is too great and you set your franchise back if you are wrong.

Personally, I don't think either Bradford or Claussen are a lock as franchise QBs, so I would pass on them with the #4, for a couple of reasons. First, our whole offensive scheme and significant portions of our o-line will be in flux. I think it's a reasonable idea to get some of that in place and worked out before trying to bring in a rookie QB.

Second, eventually there will be a new CBA. I would bet big dollars that the new CBA will have some sort of rookie scale, meaning that drafting a QB in 2011 will likely be a LOT cheaper than drafting one this year. Which also means you're not held hostage by your QB pick because of how much money you owe him, like the Raiders seem to be with Russell, etc.

Third, if they can put together a solid line for next year that can run the ball, JC has shown that he can be a decent "don't lose the game" style of QB. So if our defense remains good, having a good running game and a QB who doesn't lose the game for you is a proven formula for success.

Posted by: ts35 | February 24, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

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