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Analysis: Benching of McNabb raises questions about this season and beyond

If Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan wanted to send a message to quarterback Donovan McNabb, he did by benching him for the final two minutes of Sunday's 37-25 loss to the Detroit Lions.

But Shanahan also sent a strong message to every other player in the locker room. After spending six months telling the Redskins to trust their quarterback, Shanahan signaled to the whole football world that eight weeks into the season, he doesn't think McNabb is the best quarterback to help the Redskins win ballgames -- and that perhaps Rex Grossman is.

In the locker room at Ford Field, many veterans declined to comment publicly on Shanahan's benching of McNabb, who has been named to six Pro Bowls, in favor of Grossman, who has a career passer rating of 69.6 and has played in just six games the past three seasons. Shanahan runs the Redskins' football operation, and players were reluctant to question his judgment and challenge his authority.

But they were not pleased.

Obviously, McNabb has struggled during his first season in Shanahan's West Coast scheme. And last season with the Houston Texans, Grossman worked under Redskins offensive coordinator and play-caller Kyle Shanahan in the offense Shanahan's father designed.

In explaining his reasoning for the late-game quarterback change, Mike Shanahan cited Grossman's better understanding of the offensive terminology in determining that the eight-year veteran, who has played for three teams the past three seasons and had not played in the Redskins' first seven games of the season, gave them "the best chance to win in that scenario."

On Grossman's first-play from scrimmage this season, he fumbled while being sacked (the Lions also sacked McNabb six times), and Detroit rookie defensive lineman Ndamukong Suh (two sacks) returned the ball 17 yards for a touchdown.

Several players, while careful not to slght Grossman, said McNabb gives the Redskins the best chance to win regardless of the situation. But Shanahan does not appear to be sold, which could have a significant influence on the rest of the season and beyond at Redskins Park. If McNabb isn't the answer in 2011, then who is?

Throughout his first 11 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles, the 12-year veteran consistently made plays late in games. Having competed against McNabb for years in the NFC East, many of his current teammates have an appreciation for what he has accomplished in his career. They respect McNabb for what he has done on the field.

That's why there was a sense of disbelief on the sideline and in the locker room because McNabb, physically sound enough to play despite being pounded again, was not in the game with the outcome still undecided. After the Lions intercepted McNabb late in the fourth, Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford and wide receiver Calvin Johnson combined on the go-ahead score.

On McNabb's final drive, which ended with him being sacked on fourth down, McNabb threw incomplete on second and third downs. Again, though, he operated under duress because the Lions' defensive line dominated Redskins' offensive line. The Redskins' re-made offensive line wasn't able to protect anyone. This season, McNabb has been sacked 22 times, the second-highest total in the NFL

As far back as training camp, we heard that Shanahan had concerns about McNabb because he was not mastering the offense as quickly as Shanahan envisioned someone with his experience should. Shanahan recently said he would not be involved in any contract discussions with McNabb -- or any other player -- during the season. McNabb turns 34 on Nov. 25, Mike and Kyle Shanahan are trying to rework his throwing mechanics and McNabb was benched in favor of Grossman, who has not been a full-time starter since the 2007 season, at a point in a game when quarterbacks are expected to shine most.

McNabb is the same player he was with Philadelphia. Early in his partnership with McNabb, Eagles Coach Andy Reid realized McNabb does some things well and struggles with some others. So Reid did everything he could to put McNabb in favorable situations, and McNabb did his part by leading the Eagles to success.

In fairness to the Shanahans, they have incorporated things into their offense in an effort to make McNabb more comfortable. But for the most part, they're determined to win with their system, and that means making McNabb adapt, whether it fits his skill set or not.

That's why Grossman was in the game at the end despite the fact that McNabb seemed to understand the terminology enough to direct a scoring drive late in the first half, which ended with place kicker Graham Gano's 46-yard field goal as time expired in the second quarter.

At this instant, it's difficult to envision Mike Shanahan offering McNabb the long-term contract McNabb has hoped to receive since the Easter Sunday trade between the Eagles and Redskins, the offer Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen repeatedly have said was coming.

And if McNabb is not a pillar in the Redskins' rebuilding process, what direction will Shanahan take the organization in?

Shanahan has had an overall positive impact on the team during his brief time in control, but his move less than three minutes before the bye week threatens to undermine many of thes trides the team has made.

By Jason Reid  | November 1, 2010; 9:35 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb, Mike Shanahan  
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Comments

You want Antwaan "I can run whichever direction I want" Randle El back? Are you sure??

They should have simply started Grossman the whole game. McNabb could have gotten seriously hurt yesterday.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 1, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse


Hey, at lease our punt returner isn't dead last with a 3 yard return avg. What is Tomlin thinking?

Good riddance. Now, can we get rid of, Litsenstiger, Hicks, and Rabach. Cause they were taken to school this weekend. I won't waste my time with Heyer.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 1, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

In the fourth quarter McNabb was seen talking to Albert Haynesworth, whom was signed to a $100 million dollar deal 18 months ago, of which $41 million has already been paid, according to sources.

Posted by: Chocolate_City | November 1, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

McNabb goes for his FIRST multi-TD game against the Eagles in two weeks. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's a 'brother' thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:28 AM


Or maybe you're a racist POS...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:37 AM |

Please tell me you're a little more educated than to think what I said was a racist comment.

Dude, seriously.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

And just like last year in Detroit, this is where the wheels fall off.

Skins are done until they put together a good O-line. That's all there is.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again. Bench LaRon for his "posing" after Detroit converted on third down. Bench Kory Lichtensteiger and Casay Rabach for their horrendous blocking. To lay all of this at McNabb's feet is ludicrous, his bad plays notwithstanding.

Posted by: stwasm | November 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

P_F, making the assertion that Dungy and Harrison would formulate their opinions on McNabb based on the color of his and their skin is at best tainting their credibility, if not outright racist. Even Rush Limbaugh knows that.

Surely you're educated enough to see where that might be offensive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Hey, it could be worse. We could be 1-6 and live in Texas.

But not much worse. We lost to Detroit; AGAIN...Ughhhhhh

Posted by: Devo2 | November 1, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Analysis: Benching of McNabb raises questions about this season and beyond

By Jason Reid | November 1, 2010; 9:35 AM ET

Everyone already knows all of this.

This is not an analysis.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't all warm and fuzzy about the McNabb trade when announced. And watching some of the rookie type mistakes he's made so far this year has been painful to say the least. But in McNabb's defense, the offensive line is still a huge issue and until that's truly addressed and righted - doesn't matter who's back there as QB, we're going no where fast.

I don't understand the logic or decision to bench McNabb. It's sending a message all right - but not the one I think MS intended.

MS's credibility factor took a huge hit, and I don't see this boding well for us after the bye.

The drama is back at Ashburn.

HTTR!

Posted by: Southernbelle_aurora | November 1, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

How about benching Lichtensteiger and Rabach instead? We got tackles but never fixed the rest of the interior line. It's the same crap that broke when Campbell was still here. You can't fix a broken offense with one player. O well, at least Penn State won. So I have that going for me, which is nice.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I hate the writers at the post, all of them...

Now back to Skins. Cant believe we benched McNabb, but at the bar, I was at, every Skins fan in there was calling for Grossman, until he got squashed.

Almost as bad as Shanny's call, the OL, were the ref's in that game...Banks should have had 2 TD returns, 3 if he could stay on his feet. Good to see that.

At one point in the fourth down, I think we handed off to Williams on a horrible draw play, on the tv you could see Kyle Shanny, pointing to the field and what looked to me like, what the F are they doing...

I thought we were going to get this ton of motion, flying around offense, but it seems very dumbed down, which now we hear is the issue.

.500 is still good with me, more accurately portrays this team, would like to see Dock back in the OL rotation though, this makes no sense. Rabach should be cut, if we had a suitable back up.

Hail

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

P_F, making the assertion that Dungy and Harrison would formulate their opinions on McNabb based on the color of his and their skin is at best tainting their credibility, if not outright racist. Even Rush Limbaugh knows that.

Surely you're educated enough to see where that might be offensive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:47 AM |


Dude, "maybe it's a brother thing" was said in jest. You can say that on TV and on the radio and unless you're the chairman of the FCC, you're not qualified to render my statement and me a racist.

You need to be careful in your life what terms you toss around willy-nilly. Man up a little and realize that if you think saying brother is racist, maybe it's you with the problem, not others.

Relax Brown, don't be so quick to get your panties in a bunch. You're making far too big a deal here.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Skins are done until they put together a good O-line. That's all there is.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 9:45 AM


The Steelers won a SB with an awful O-line. In a mediocre NFC, we're not done unless Shanahan continues to be the stubborn idiot we saw yesterday.

If the D continues the flurry of takeaways and #5 can raise his level of play in spite of the team around him, we've got a chance. I just doubt that Shanahan's ego lets him do the kind of job that Tomlin did in '08.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Did anybody notice that JC threw for 300yds and 2 TD's yesterday, presumably because he wasn't sacked 7 times.

I liked the shot DMac took at the Shanny’s with his closing comment during the press conference. “I hope we ALL learned something by it (the benching). I guess he was referring to Rex getting buried by the entire Lions d-line and fumbling away 7 points and any chance of winning. Loved that comment.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Next question:

How patient will Dan Snyder be?

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Good to see we're pretty much in agreement around here that the McNabb benching was a bonehead move.

A decision like that makes Jim Zorn look like Vince Lombardi.

I don't see a single aspect/angle of the benching that makes sense or benefits the team.

If Shanny thinks that Rex Grossman actually gives the team a better chance to win, then I question his coaching/football acumen altogether.

If this was about Shanny "sending a signal" and getting retribution for the INT, then he picked a horrible time to do it. You don't "send a signal" when the game is on the line and you still have a chance to win.

This does not rally the team, this only unsettles it. Apparently his plan is to stick with McNabb, but this does not improve their rapport/relationship. And if Rex Grossman is the better option when the game is on the line and the team is under the gun, then why stick with McNabb under any circumstances?


I guess these are the kinds of pig-headed moves that resulted in Shanny getting fired in Denver.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's days like these, and posts like the ones I've been reading here the last 18 hours, that remind me that "fan" is indeed short for "fanatic." The amount of over-reaction has been epic.

Was it a mistake to pull McNabb at the end of yesterday's game? IMO, yes. The way Detroit's D-line (especially Suh; does anyone on here still want to argue that the Lions should have drafted Okung?) punked our O-line, we clearly needed someone with DM5's mobility at QB, not the statue-like Grossman. But was Shanahan's decision "stunning," or "inexplicable" like some of the talking heads and RI posters have said or intimated? No. McNabb was not playing well at all. Yes, he was under tremendous pressure all day, but on the occasions that he did have time, he was missing open receivers. He threw one awful pick and another one that should have been a pick-six (which would have been THREE in two weeks, if you count the one that was negated by a delay-of-game penalty).

And let's not overestimate the significance of the benching. I'm betting that Shanahan will announce at today's presser that DM5 will still be the starter after the bye, and that his statement after the game about McNabb not being as familiar with the 2 minute offense as Grossman should not be interpreted as a criticism either of DM's intelligence or work ethic. After all, I remember a statement by Steve Young that it took him 2 years to relly master this offense. That McNabb may not have mastered it in 6-7 months shouldn't be that big of a surprise.

I'm also amused by how some of us are ready to jump off a bridge or run the Shanahans out of town because we lost to the Lions. Folks, we were 4-12 last year. We stunk almost as much as the Lions did. This year, the Lions have crushed a team the we lost rather decisively to (the Rams), lost to the Packers only because of that fluke non-touchdown call involving Calvin Johnson at the end of the game, and have been in pretty much every other game that they've played. Losing to them on the road is no embarassment. Being 4-4 at this point puts us pretty much on track for the 8-8 season that I thought we would have, which is certainly a great improvement over last year's disaster.

A little perspective is a good thing, people.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | November 1, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

RSH, going with a "youth movement" means you're throwing in the towel on this season. How you do that at 4-4 in a wide open NFC is beyond me...

Agree on auditioning centers...there's NO way I'm buying that Kevin Mawae is anything other than a huge upgrade over Rabach. Get Mawae, move Rabach to guard and put Lichtensteiger where he belongs--on the bench backing up the starting center.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 8:26 AM
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Not throwing in the towel. Williams has only two receptions all season, so if the team dropped him and played Banks in his spot, I don't think it would hurt. That would open an active roster spot in which you would put Robinson or Capers. Use the young offensive linemen in goal line situations and to play when and if the game is put away. The idea is to get them game experience.

As far as picking up Mawae, I disagree because I think the guy is done. No one has been kicking his tires since preseason. I agree that the Redskins need someone other than Rabach in the middle. The guy is flat out horrible against the really big guys and Lichtensteiger is even worse.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

P_F, whatever...I'm the last guy to pull the race card so if I'm miffed by that you can expect to get a profanity laced tirade from Red later today. You've been warned...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Here's SICWIDIT'S TAKE:

McNabb is the best QB on this roster and the benching was stupid, however, McNabb threw a pick into TRIPLE coverage and another dropped INT that should have been a pick 6. The benching was a bad decision, but McNabb should not be beyone reproach.

I think McNabb uses this as motivaiton to have a MONSTER game against the Eagles.

I may be in the minority, but I don't think the Skins should overcommit to McNabb. His play has been erratic over the past few games, and you want to see the whole movie before giving him a BIG extension.

Finally....We must have PATIENCE from the OWNER to the FANS!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

My .02:

McNabb has been awful since the Houston game and it seems to be getting worse. He is inaccurate and his decisions seem to be worse each game and as the game goes on. The pick was an absolutely terrible decision and terrible throw. It's getting very tiresome to see him lob and deep ball not in Armstrong's zip code on 3rd and 4th downs when we need 3 yards. I'm sure that is what is pissing off the Shanahans and made them finally have enough. I get it. That said, you can't make this move, you tied your season to #5 with the trade and with only have Grossman behind him. You have to sink or swim with McNabb this year. At the end of the season you can go a different direction but not in season, and certainly not in game with a chance to win. It was as bad a decision by Shanahan as was McNabb's INT. You just can't make this move. But now we know why there's been no contract extension.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers won a SB with an awful O-line. In a mediocre NFC, we're not done unless Shanahan continues to be the stubborn idiot we saw yesterday.

If the D continues the flurry of takeaways and #5 can raise his level of play in spite of the team around him, we've got a chance. I just doubt that Shanahan's ego lets him do the kind of job that Tomlin did in '08.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:53 AM |

I would hold the comparisons to teams that won Super Bowls. This is an average to below average team. No one here knows if McNabb was changing plays at the line and then throwing taking a sack(s) or tossing picks. Shanny is going to be here longer than McNabb and you all know that. We can't question every move he makes if we were all okay with him coming in here.

That's the way he is like it or not. He 'aint changing so get used to it.

I think he's been doing a great job and there are lots of people out there that think this is really a 1-7 team that got A LOT of breaks.

2 weeks from now, we will be 5-4.

Bank It!

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers had a great O-line. Max Starks and the rest of that line were offering 3.5 - 4 seconds of protection. The sacks were high but it was because of the scheme.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Ha. We are going to party like it's 2009. Welcome to the Redskins Zorn v. 2.

Thing is, if the O-line can't open holes of protect the QB, the offense won't work no matter who Zorn errr. Shanny chooses to get crushed in the pocket.

It's 2009 all over again. We are sauffering for 10 years of neglecting the line.

Jamaal Brown and Licht are the answer? Pu-leez!

Posted by: heyjoe728 | November 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

How about benching Lichtensteiger and Rabach instead? We got tackles but never fixed the rest of the interior line.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 1, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse


No kidding.

If Shanny is truly interested in giving the team the "best chance" he would have had Dockery activated and ready to go in as soon as those wimps started getting thrown around. It wasn't hard to forsee that might happen.

No running game and no pass-pro = no Oline.

QB has not been the problem, and Mcnabb has been masking the weaknesses of the unit.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

You ARE a racist POS. Why even deny it when formerly, as NPI, you made the most racist, derogatory comment I've ever seen on here? Shut up and go away.

Shanahan major blunders seem to be getting worse: Keeping Galloway-benching Dockery-dressing only 2 RB's-benching McNabb.
Someone, anyone, that he respects needs to wake him up. Maybe Haslett??

Posted by: ga8085 | November 1, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

rufus_t_firefly @ 9:58 AM,
Have you noticed that over the past 10 years, this team has undergone management-by-overreaction?

Say what you want about the fans being fanatics, but fans haven't hired 7 coaches in the past 10 years, to go with about a dozen starting QBs; fans haven't played fantasy football with our draft picks to get Big Names; fans didn't bench McNabb yesterday; and fans won't be the ones to eventually fire Shanahan and continue our dysfunctional management.

Even though fans, being fanatical, might harbor such thoughts.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 1, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

P_F, whatever...I'm the last guy to pull the race card so if I'm miffed by that you can expect to get a profanity laced tirade from Red later today. You've been warned...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 10:00 AM |

A blog person warning someone about another blog person.

I'm more worried about what shirt to wear tomorrow.

Thanks.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

500 is still good with me, more accurately portrays this team

was this serious?? paper tiger...this team has made ZERO progress since game 1, and that was before Shanny fractured the locker room with the benching.

the defense got SHREDDED by a rookie qb who hadn't played in how long??

the offense looks like something Jim Zorn put together...

the coach is too busy trying to put 'his' guys into the lineup to prove how smart he is at the expense of the offense...

we've seen this movie before, and we know the ending...

ugh...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

There is a reason why we drafted a tackle at No.4 and traded a mid round pick for another, because Stephon Heyer can’t play. So when we see him out there it’s not a good sign for anyone. I hope the Lickensteiger experiment is over because Rabach needs help against all but the meekest of defensive tackles and he can’t offer any. We were much better with Dockery in there and that is obvious, of course doing that would mean Ego Mike would have to admit he made a mistake.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Ahh I knew Shanahan would show his ugly face!

Skins had a chance to win and he put that BUM in who should not be in the LEAGUE!

The Skins are just as bad as dallas!
Except were winning some.

SNYDER PAY THE MAN AND SEND HIM PACKING!

Posted by: SOLVBACK | November 1, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I liked the shot DMac took at the Shanny’s with his closing comment during the press conference. “I hope we ALL learned something by it (the benching). I guess he was referring to Rex getting buried by the entire Lions d-line and fumbling away 7 points and any chance of winning. Loved that comment.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse


That's sort of what I feared.

Shanny's pig-headed move to bench McNabb has now soured the cream. Instead of working together and building rapport it's snarky shots and thinly-veiled comments.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

As far as picking up Mawae, I disagree because I think the guy is done. No one has been kicking his tires since preseason.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 9:59 AM


That's got more to do with CBA politics than anything...dude was a Pro-Bowler last year, so it's not a stretch that he'd be better than a guy who is CLEARLY done like Rabach.

Whatever the case...the only way this line gets better is if we scheme around it. We're 4-4 thanks to McNabb's elusiveness (whether anyone wants to give him props on that or not) and smoke and mirrors on defense. Why Shanahan can't do the same for the offense is mindboggling...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

McNabb goes for his FIRST multi-TD game against the Eagles in two weeks. Book it!

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

It wouldn't surprise me at all. Shanahan has 2 weeks to plan for them, as long as he doesn't answer JR's dumb questions about benching McNabb.

Posted by: jboogie1 | November 1, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It's 2009 all over again. We are suffering for 10 years of neglecting the line.

Jamaal Brown and Licht are the answer? Pu-leez!

Posted by: heyjoe728 | November 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse
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Because we all know that one off season should be enough to fix 10 years of neglect on both lines and skill position depth.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse


Maybe it's a 'brother' thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:28 AM


Or maybe you're a racist POS...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:37 AM |

dude, RI nation doesn't want you on this board, you racist dive ass. and no, I'm not blowing you and neither is anyone else, so, get f u c k e d

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And the racial question comes into play.

TonyK @ 10:15am.....mark that down...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

The idea that Rex "knows the offense" and was therefore a better option is the same stupidity that has Rabach in at center.

Yeah, those guys may "know" the schemes. The only problem is that they aren't talented enough to execute them against opposition in a game.

But whatever. Shanny seems OK as long as he's losing with "his" guys.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan has 2 weeks to plan for them

yeah, because as we've seen, game planning, and making adjustments seem to be his strong point....

Detroit has a good defensive line, adn corners that are awful, what did you see yesterday that showed you that the redskins offense took advantage of that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Grossman behind that OL wouldn't have done much better than McNabb. Poor McNabb was getting pummeled out there. Although McNabb wasn't playing his best either, like his tripping over the foot of one of his DL's.

Posted by: anonymousperson | November 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The Steelers had a great O-line. Max Starks and the rest of that line were offering 3.5 - 4 seconds of protection. The sacks were high but it was because of the scheme.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 1, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


The Steelers also had TONS more talent than the Skins do now. That was enough to overcome that shortcoming.

Posted by: stwasm | November 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Unless we are willing to mortgage the next few drafts and trade up to the number one pick for Andrew Luck, then Ego Mike better find a way to fix this. Because there ain’t going to be anyone better than DMac out there. Worst of all with the pathetic O-Line and all around lack of talent on offense what make anyone think McNabb would want to sign an extension. Especially after the coach and his punk kid just threw him under the bus.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's a 'brother' thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:28 AM


Or maybe you're a racist POS...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:37 AM |

dude, RI nation doesn't want you on this board, you racist dive ass. and no, I'm not blowing you and neither is anyone else, so, get f u c k e d

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:18 AM |

When I'm here, dressone, this is my board.

Suck it.

Cry all you want biotch.

Hahah.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Or maybe you're a racist POS...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 9:37 AM |

Please tell me you're a little more educated than to think what I said was a racist comment.

Dude, seriously.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 9:42 AM |

dude, do we need beep-beep to post your racist npi stuff from the past ? no matter what handle you choose, your own racist hatered shines through in your comments. just go away you dive ass POS.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the case...the only way this line gets better is if we scheme around it. We're 4-4 thanks to McNabb's elusiveness (whether anyone wants to give him props on that or not) and smoke and mirrors on defense. Why Shanahan can't do the same for the offense is mindboggling...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 10:10 AM
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On this we agree. I think an unbalanced offensive line would be perfect for this offense and this quarterback. It would provide more of a wall for McNabb to roll out, when defenses adjusted it would give the Redskins the opportunity to cut back, and it would give them a wall for any sweeps they want to run. I'm not saying they should use it every play but throwing it in occasionally would definitely give the defense something more think about. It would have been perfect to run against Detroit, essentially shifting the middle of the field away from Suh.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

This team certainly is what it is (a .500 ball club) isn’t it? Same type of game no matter who they play. Expect the same thing against the Eagles in 2 weeks. They will play well/crappy enough to keep it close in the 4th qtr and either catch a break with a big play (usually by the defense or DHall in particular), or find a way to lose in a gut wrenching manner. This is a team that should go 8-8 and miss the playoffs. Been saying it all season.

My 2 cents:
- The Phil Daniels offsides was a horrible call. When 4 guys on the DL jump at the same time, somebody on offense moved. The call against Doughty was legit though. Overall the refs were calling things too tight though. Let em play ball.
- Offensive line needs improvement and personnel changes. Dockery isn’t good enough to suit up? Please.
- If I’m Mcnabb I’m gonna be yelling at my OL or the OL coaches to get their shti together. I know Suh is good, but he destroyed EVERYONE. You can’t come up with a scheme to get Mcnabb 3 second to throw it?
- And Grossman is gonna do better? That was just stupid.
- At least Banks is a bright spot. Nice find there….and this guy was inactive for a couple of weeks. I think Shanny could be the most stubborn coach in the NFL. He needs to see that “his guys” aren’t necessarily the best option. Hopefully he will see what Hayensworth is doing lately and translate that to playing some other guys that he doesn’t appear to “like”.
- It’s going to be a long 2 weeks. They better get jacked up for a divisional game they need to win.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

McNabb has been awful since the Houston game and it seems to be getting worse. He is inaccurate and his decisions seem to be worse each game and as the game goes on.


I think a large part of it is that he just doesn't fit into what the Shanahan's want.

They want a controlled passing type who can go deep.

McNabb can 'go deep' but his mid range passing is poor.

Again: I sense a divorce some time in late February.

The final 8 games will just determine who pays who alimony.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

And the racial question comes into play.

TonyK @ 10:15am.....mark that down...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse


I don't know what's dumber.

TonyK bringing up the racial question, or listening to that has-been to begin with.

Last time I tried to listen to Tony K's radio show it was 50% whining about random stuff, 20% saying uninteresting things about politics, 20% girl-chat about his favorite TV shows, 10% sports-talk where he asks David Alridge questions and whines about his answers.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

When I'm here, dressone, this is my board.

Suck it.

Cry all you want biotch.

Hahah.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 10:21 AM
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No. Wednesday is the day it is your board. That is the day when they let all of the short school bus kids run the blog.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

IMO....this move signals a one and done for McNabb here. I think they will franchise him and trade him to MN, AZ, or SF after the season for a 3rd or 4th round pick. This draft is very deep with QB talent, round 1 will be QB, the rest of the draft should be guards, right tackles, and centers......

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Detroit has a good defensive line, adn corners that are awful, what did you see yesterday that showed you that the redskins offense took advantage of that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

So your saying that continuing to stay in a pocket that's falling down like Lyndsy Lohan on a coke bender isn't the best gameplan? Why not try rolling out of the pocket and attacking their crappy secondary?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 1, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Explain, please how 37 points is "stellar play of the defense"?

Posted by: TheCork | November 1, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Well, the D did play awesome in the first half, but there were a lot of holes in the 2nd half, in both our running AND passing defenses.

That being said, they still kept us in the game. One TD was off that punt return that he should have scored on anyway, the D got credit for that cause the dude stepped out of bounds. Another TD should have been a FG but thank Phillip Daniels for that one. And the last TD never should have happened, thank Sexy Rexy for that one. So by my count, they would have only had about 19 or 20 points, so we would have won, not counting Bank's first return that should have been a TD! It should have been, at least, 32-19.

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

IMO....this move signals a one and done for McNabb here. I think they will franchise him and trade him to MN, AZ, or SF after the season for a 3rd or 4th round pick. This draft is very deep with QB talent, round 1 will be QB, the rest of the draft should be guards, right tackles, and centers......

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 10:27 AM
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I thought the franchise tag was a convention of the collective bargaining agreement and with no new contract in place, a team can't "franchise tag" anyone...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Well this McNabb business comes as no surprise to me. Last week, as you may recall, I wrote:
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I am starting to believe that McNabb may be done here. He's a superb athlete, but I don't think Shanny & Son like his play style and the feeling appears mutual.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:18 AM

Well, I just went and watched all the post game stuff and there was no impression at all that the two sides are down on each other. I would say that your impressions are more of the talking out of your ass type.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse
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Cue sound of very large expulsion of gas....
ppppppppppppftttttt

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I thought the franchise tag was a convention of the collective bargaining agreement and with no new contract in place, a team can't "franchise tag" anyone...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Well sure, if you're assuming no agreement then why are we even talking about a draft and a season next year at all?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

sure mcnabb play like sheet, but once again rabach and the oline let us down after what i thought was a pretty well played game by everyone else
LF59, banks, LoAl, etc all played very well

it's sad to see a few bad fat apples on the oline caused the entire team to lose, but that's the nfl and that's the Washington Redskins 4-4 at the break

im taking one too

HAIL

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse


Persona_Bowel = No_Punt_Intended

the arian nation wouldn't even want a dumb ass like you

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse


Shanahan gave up high picks to get McNabb then he throws him under a bus by saying that he's not smart enough to run the two-minute offense. McNabb was smart enough to lead Philly to conference champioships and a Super Bowl but now he's not bright enough to run an offense.

Shanahan is an egomaniacal tool who has thrown away more valuable picks to sate his ego.

Posted by: Skinz4Lyfe | November 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

dude, do we need beep-beep to post your racist npi stuff from the past ? no matter what handle you choose, your own racist hatered shines through in your comments. just go away you dive ass POS.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:22 AM

Hess...if you don't like it then do your ITA move...why do you have such a hard on for him? You post the same crap to him every day. He has a right to express his opinion...you have a right to ignore it.

I'm sooooo happy that we have the Rams and Lions behind us haha...now we can re-group at the BYE...and make a push for the playoffs...we are as good...and as bad...as everyone else in the NFC.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

pa, bingo....but somehow that was lost on the coaching staff...

i just don't get it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

When I'm here, dressone, this is my board.

Suck it.

Cry all you want biotch.

Hahah.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl_Body_Odor | November 1, 2010 10:21 AM

This sounds just like the Dallas trolls coming on here saying this is their board cause they CLAIM to be America's Team! I think I'll just sick Al Sharpton on him, PF be busy for the next year then! hahaha
BTW, I fixed your User Id for ya!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I think a large part of it is that he just doesn't fit into what the Shanahan's want.

They want a controlled passing type who can go deep.

McNabb can 'go deep' but his mid range passing is poor.

Again: I sense a divorce some time in late February.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse


Moe,

THe problem is not McNabb's passing. The problem is that the book is out on this Oline and everyone knows you can just blast it up the middle.

Which means McNabb (or anyone) is going to have to improvise the throws on the run OR is going to rush the throws - which leads to poor decisions.

Grossman had a sack/fumble and an intentional grounding in all of 9 snaps.

The problem goes much deeper than simply finding a QB that can do the things the Shanny wants.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Monk811 is dead-on, and I said the same thing in the previous blog post: The crappy run game, O-line play and McNabb's goofy pick notwithstanding, if the Skins don't commit STUPID penalties - Daniels offsides turning a FG into a TD, Buchanon's defensive holding when it was third and long for the Lions (they ended up scoring on that drive), and Artis Hicks false start on the late drive - they probably WIN that game.

Since the roster cannot be overhauled in midseason, the Skins must eliminate the mental errors in order to have a chance in close games.

I'm still on board for 9-7 if they play smarter.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 1, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm done overreacting.

McNabb sucked yesterday and has sucked most of the season but he was hardly the only one who sucked.

Gas face goes to:

Rabach
Lichtensteiger
Hicks
Heyer
Brown
Williams (who I think is hurting worse than he's letting on)
Buchanon
Daniels
Doughty

But I still reserve the special 3rd Bass to Hammer gas face for Donovan McNabb for the most god-awful pick I've seen in a long time.

this one's for you D-Mac
HAABLLLBBBLLLBBLLLLLLBBLLLLL!!!!!

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

So it turns out the trade for McNabb was so good I would label it "Cerrato-esque"...anyone think this is Jason Taylor 2.0?

Just goes to show you any QB will struggle when their main priority becomes, instead of trying to find open receivers, trying not to get killed. Our interior O-Line sucks. Put whoever you want back there, Shanny, that ain't changing...

Posted by: mattylight | November 1, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that the book is out on this Oline and everyone knows you can just blast it up the middle.

how many times did the redskins roll mcnabb out of the pocket yesterday??..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm done overreacting.

McNabb sucked yesterday and has sucked most of the season but he was hardly the only one who sucked.

Gas face goes to:

Rabach
Lichtensteiger
Hicks
Heyer
Brown
Williams (who I think is hurting worse than he's letting on)
Buchanon
Daniels
Doughty

But I still reserve the special 3rd Bass to Hammer gas face for Donovan McNabb for the most god-awful pick I've seen in a long time.

this one's for you D-Mac
HAABLLLBBBLLLBBLLLLLLBBLLLLL!!!!!

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Yes the problem goes deeper than McNabb's performance. But it also turns out to be a problem that McNabb isn't "coachable" in the way that the Shanny's anticipated when Dad surrendered multiple draft picks bringing him to DC.

It's a relationship between coach and player that looked good on paper or film but just isn't working out.

I'm sure the coaches can see the interior line crumbling as well as we can, but there's something McNabb is doing that is bugging the !$@# out of them.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

This doesn't surprise me. McBadd is a horrible QB I never liked the deal. We would have been better off keeping Campbell whose game yesterday was better than anyone of McBadds all year. Draft a qb next year. Guess what we'll probably trade McBadd and get 5th rd even though we are gonna lose a 2nd and 4th. His problem is he is too inconsistent. Never seen a QB miss as many throws as he has. And everyone is right the o-line does suck but there is a salary cap in place which means some spots of a team will be weaker than others.

Not too mention one of McNabbs strong suits is running the ball he rarely does that, there were a few other plays yesterday he could have taken off to help out the O which he didnt.

Posted by: Joker99z | November 1, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I thought the franchise tag was a convention of the collective bargaining agreement and with no new contract in place, a team can't "franchise tag" anyone...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Well sure, if you're assuming no agreement then why are we even talking about a draft and a season next year at all?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 10:35 AM
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You are missing my point. I am saying I think there will be a CBA next year but I don't think these "transition tags", "franchise tags" and what-not are guaranteed. The bottom line is a contract is legally binding, but all else is up for negotiation.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

McNabb goes for his FIRST multi-TD game against the Eagles in two weeks. Book it!

I have nothing but the highest respect for Donovan McNabb.

But what should be booked are all our redskin expectations for him.

Some of us have been posting for weeks about our disappointment with his managament of the offense.

And now, we are vindicated.

Franchise McNabb and trade him--and AH--next Spring for picks.

And let's start our rebuild there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that the book is out on this Oline and everyone knows you can just blast it up the middle.

how many times did the redskins roll mcnabb out of the pocket yesterday??..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse


C'mon Bean, that's obviously not as good a solution as getting Rex Grossman in there - I mean, he's more familiar with the terminology and that's what will make the difference for this team.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

This benching was long overdue. Dude has not played well at all -- and even worse of late.

Hopefully with two weeks to prep up for Philly, Rex will be ready to lead this team through the second half of the season and into the playoffs.

Go Rex!

Posted by: Vic1 | November 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

McNabb was running for his life without offensive line help. But regardless, why do these absurd dramas always follow this franchise? For once you can't blame Snyder; you now have a head coach whose judgement is being questioned; a QB that probably won't return next year; without QB stability, more mediocrity.

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | November 1, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Some of us have been posting for weeks about our disappointment with his managament of the offense.

And now, we are vindicated.

Franchise McNabb and trade him--and AH--next Spring for picks.

And let's start our rebuild there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse


Moe,

Who do you think could manage this offense with Rabach and Lichtensteiger playing like empty trash cans up front?

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan's move was just plain dumb. What he should do during the bye week is rethink if the 3-4 defense works for his current defensive personnel; rethink if zone blocking works for his current offensive personnel; and add some plays that Donovan is comfortable with. Now is the time to reevaluate the first 8 games and make appropriate changes! But I had always predicted and 8 -8 season and they are on pace for that!

Posted by: oakiedokie | November 1, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Hess...if you don't like it then do your ITA move...why do you have such a hard on for him? You post the same crap to him every day. He has a right to express his opinion...you have a right to ignore it.

I'm sooooo happy that we have the Rams and Lions behind us haha...now we can re-group at the BYE...and make a push for the playoffs...we are as good...and as bad...as everyone else in the NFC.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 10:37 AM |

Thanks - appreciated.

Now, we should all chill a little. Our HC is doing a good job considering the personnel we have on our roster. This team is still over achieving. New talent like Banks, Torain, KW, LoZo and Armstrong are making this season worth it.

This team knocks the crap out of people and they have been in EVERY game despite not possessing the same talent levels.

This is my team and I am going to take the good with the bad. The Skins really had no right to be in that game yesterday but they scrapped and made plays to stay in it. We got beat by a good team, a SOLID D and an up and coming QB in this league and a freak of a WR and RB.

No sweat. Suck it up and we will go beat the Iggles next week.

5-4, here we come.

Bank it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Put whoever you want back there, Shanny, that ain't changing...

Posted by: mattylight | November 1, 2010 10:44 AM |

which is why we shouldn't trust shanahan and allen anymore, trading away any chance for a better tomorrow.

folks, do you think that after a decade of snyder's and cerrato's doings that anything positive will ever happen for this franchise ? what other owner wanted shanahan to coach their team ? allen comes in trading picks for a veteran QB that his former coach knew was finished. the picks for DMcNabb and JBrown set us back a year at least. sorry folks, MORE OF THE SAME ! until we build thru the draft a strong nucleus on o-line and d-line, we have no business trading for anyone or signing big money FA's.

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Baby Shanahan, who only got his job as the offensive coordinator thanks to Papa Shanahan, will never get any respect from the players. Don't tell me he is more than qualified for this job. Children, if they have healthy self-respect, always want to prove themselves without their parents' help. Obviously something is very wrong with Baby Shanahan if he is still riding on his father's coattail when he is over 30 years old. Now the Shanahan clan alienated most, if not all, of their own players by proving yet again that they only care about their own ego and that they are running this organization as a family business, not a professional team. This is not a quarterback controversy, but the coaching controversy. We all knew what we were getting with McNabb: a class-act, superb athlete who will be spectacular at times but can also be mistake-prone. What we are getting with the Shanahans has not been at all clear so far, but it is getting clearer as the season goes on. He knows a lot about football, but is too immature (yes, I am talking about Papa Shanahan) and certainly not ready to manage the incredibly talented, but thin-skinned NFL players of today. It is especially unfortunate because of the racial undertone. Do we really need yet another white coach implying that his star black quarterback is not smart enough to understand his "terminology"? The Shanahan clan already (and I am afraid irrevocably) lost the players and the fans. Mike Shanahan has to go, and he should take his baby son with him.

Posted by: motherforobama | November 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yep, that's what we get for jumping the gun and trading for DMac too soon.

To think we could've easily traded for Big Ben.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 1, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Unless we are willing to mortgage the next few drafts and trade up to the number one pick for Andrew Luck, then Ego Mike better find a way to fix this. Because there ain’t going to be anyone better than DMac out there."

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This is exactly right. You can't waste a first round pick on a QB when you need so much help on the line (not to mention that any rookie QB is going to have real growing pains at first). The better approach would be to trade back, if possible, with whatever 1st round pick the Skins have and try to use the acquired picks to get solid prospects on the interior of the o-line. That is possible because even good centers and guards can be had after the first round.

Hopefully, DM5 and Shanny can get past this benching and get a longer-term deal done so the Skins don't have to go elsewhere for QB talent. What decent free agent would sign with them anyway until they improve the OL?

Posted by: manlius1 | November 1, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

There are many "scapegoats" to blame for this loss. My scapegoats are the interior OL and the HC/OC.

Detroit's DL punched the Skins OL in he nose on the first series and the Skins OL played with tears in their eyes the rest of the way. The Lion's DL owned the interior of the Skins OL big time. Those three interior OL should be wearing panties today.

Play calling has been questionable in several games if not all. These coaches are not using the players have to their strengths. If Kyle was not the son, MS would already have taken over play calling duties. MS needs to do to Kyle as he did to McNabb. Bench his ass.

Stupid penalties need to stop!

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 1, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

To expound on Monk811 and MrR21 -

The WHOLE Team should blame themselves for the McNabb benching.

The Team needs to come together to say that will never happen again because everyone will do their job. Because if everyone did their job, McNabb would have never been benched.....STAMPED

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

To expound on Monk811 and MrR21 -

The WHOLE Team should blame themselves for the McNabb benching.

The Team needs to come together to say that will never happen again because everyone will do their job. Because if everyone did their job, McNabb would have never been benched.....STAMPED

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 1, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben would have been killed his first week back from suspension...without McNabb the skins would be 1-7...0-8...allowing 60 sacks through week 8...maybe the trade set us back a bit...maybe not...but we are competing...I like where we're at.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Peter King explains the McNabb benching so clearly that everyone up here but Brownwood will understand it:

McNabb in a weird place.

When Washington coach Mike Shanahan made the move he made Sunday with 1:45 left in the fourth quarter and Washington trailing by six at Detroit, removing a healthy Donovan McNabb for Rex Grossman to run the two-minute offense, he said it was because of Grossman's familiarity with the two-minute offense from working with offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan at Houston in 2009. But the move tells me three things:

1. Mike Shanahan can't be happy with the work ethic or the performance in the clutch, or both, of McNabb. To say you're more comfortable with Rex Grossman than Donovan McNabb with the game on the line is something that should strike McNabb to the core. There's no way after a full offseason in an offense, particularly with an offense as quarterback-friendly as the one run by Shanahan father and son, that an experienced quarterback with pelts on the wall wouldn't know it very well. If he doesn't, the inference is clear: McNabb hasn't worked hard enough to master it.

2. Shanahan is simply going by what he's seeing. I went back and looked at the first eight games of the Redskins' season. McNabb has had the ball four times inside the two-minute warning of the fourth quarter. Once, against Green Bay, he led Washington on a seven-play, 53-yard drive that ended in a game-tying field goal that forced overtime. On the other three drives, he threw one interception and couldn't get a first down on two others. Four two-minute drives at the end of games, three points. But that's not unlike McNabb's overall production. As of this morning, at the season's midpoint, he's the NFL's 25th-rated quarterback ... and he's also in the lower 20s in fourth-quarter passer rating. Don't show Washington owner Dan Snyder the quarterback rankings, by the way. McNabb's three spots behind Jason Campbell.

3. McNabb turns 34 this month. His contract is up at the end of the year. All along, we viewed the long-term deal of McNabb in Washington as a formality, to provide the fitting coronation to the Easter-night trade from the Eagles to the Redskins. Not so fast. Do the Redskins want to pay a flawed player -- and how else would you look at McNabb after Sunday's yanking -- $15 million a year to be their quarterback for the next four years? And does McNabb want to remain in Washington for a second season after getting blindsided with the game on the line in Detroit?

continued

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

read the bog, Mike don't sit in on the offensive meetings...he only watches them from his office via camera's in the meeting rooms....are you FRIGGIN KIDDING ME????

stop spying on your players and get involved.....u f b

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Peter King, continued

I tend to think McNabb should be the more worried party after Sunday. Is he really that desirable a quarterback? The Eagles dangled him for two months last spring, and the only team to give a market offer for him was Washington. If the Eagles didn't want him with three or four prime years left, and if the Redskins no longer want him, what are teams around the league to say? Well, Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan -- those are two guys who sure don't know quarterbacks! I'll take McNabb! Doubtful. Very doubtful.

Maybe McNabb needs to have a heart-to-heart with Mike Shanahan in this bye week. Maybe he needs to tell him he won't spend so much time in Phoenix in the offseason; rather, he'll stay in Washington through the offseason to work daily with Kyle Shanahan on the mechanics and footwork of the position the way the Shanahans want him to play it. If I were McNabb, and I still wanted that one big contract, and I wanted to play with a team that has a chance to be good in the next three or four years, that's what I'd do.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/10/31/monday-morning-qb-week-8/index.html#ixzz142m0OXoM

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't see what's the big deal! McNabb was not being effective and was getting killed. He's the best QB on the roster (keep him alive to play another day); why leave him out there to get killed? He wasn't playing well, so give the other guy a chance to spark the offense (which wasn't playing well either!).
NOTE: Halfway through this season, the Skins have as many wins as they did all of last season - things are getting better!

Posted by: bobleme | November 1, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Perspective, folks.

Zorn is still getting used to coaching and all that comes with it. He'll grow into it.

This is the typical end-of-game weird panic decision you get with a brand-new coach.

It's basically what you get when you make a crazy hire like Danny and Vinny did.

And it's why we won't turn this franchise around until Danny comes to his senses, gets rid of Vinny, and hires a seasoned pro like Cowher or Mike Shanahan.

That's when we'll say goodbye to panic, to weird decisions, and to killer trades like a 2nd-rounder and even more for a just-about-washed-up big name. (Hopefully no more of those horrible trades with the next regime!)

Posted by: farstriker | November 1, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Good to see we're pretty much in agreement around here that the McNabb benching was a bonehead move....A decision like that makes Jim Zorn look like Vince Lombardi....
I don't see a single aspect/angle of the benching that makes sense or benefits the team....If Shanny thinks that Rex Grossman actually gives the team a better chance to win, then I question his coaching/football acumen altogether....If this was about Shanny "sending a signal" and getting retribution for the INT, then he picked a horrible time to do it. You don't "send a signal" when the game is on the line and you still have a chance to win....This does not rally the team, this only unsettles it. Apparently his plan is to stick with McNabb, but this does not improve their rapport/relationship. And if Rex Grossman is the better option when the game is on the line and the team is under the gun, then why stick with McNabb under any circumstances?...I guess these are the kinds of pig-headed moves that resulted in Shanny getting fired in Denver.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 9:57 AM
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This was one of the best posts I've read -- not just here, but on espn, the baltimore sun or anywhere else. To reiterate what funk wrote: there was nothing good that could benefit the team from pulling mcnabb -- and i HATE this team and enjoy their lack of success!

Posted by: pgtjhu | November 1, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse


Peter King is a moron.

Sure, there are larger contract-extension considerations at play here, but I don't know how anyone who watched yesterday's game and saw the Lions Dlinemen running free all day could come away from it and say - "The problem is that the QB is not working hard enough to grasp the offense."

They seem to think Rex Grossman has better grasped the offense - and he gave us a sack/fumble and an intentional grounding in 9 snaps...can't wait to see what he'd give us in a full game.

Maybe if we just inform the opponents' Dlinemen that Rex knows the terminology better, they won't blow-up Lichtensteiger and Rabach on every pass play?

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse


Do you agree with Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to bench quarterback Donovan McNabb late in Sunday's game?
Yes
13%
No
86%

the folks that agreed to vote for DMcNabb to be benched are the same folks that think water is a solid - jeez

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This situation seems to highlight another example of a coach who has exhibited the propensity to allow his ego to dictate his actions.

First it was Haynesworth (he deserved some of what he got, IMO) then Dockery, then Devin Thomas and now McNabb of all people.

Shanahan seems to hold petty grudges against people even when it reduces your chances of winning on Sunday. All one has to do is examine the entire Haynesworth saga. Granted, Albert was being a baby and had a big hand in all of this but when things seemingly had settled down, Shanahan upped the ante and kept it going. The best example of this was when he played Haynesworth for the entire game in last preseason game. You don't do that to veterans. It happened again when he sat Haynesworth against Indy. One has to wonder what the outcome would have been in that game had he played.

I don't know what happened re: McNabb but I have a gut feeling that it revolved around McNabb's less than stellar play and then maybe Shanahan and he getting in a verbal altercation and McNabb responding with statements like:

"The offensive line is pathetic".
"Play Dockery for god sakes."
"The interior offensive line is killing us".
"Rabach is the worst Center in the league".
"Who the hell is Lichtensteiger?"
"Why don't we have any depth?"
"I can't step up in the pocket because there is no pocket"
"The offensive line coach has failed everywhere he has been. Why did you hire him?"

Posted by: fpickering | November 1, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think we saw yesterday what AH has been talking about for two seasons. He was used to being the "Suh" in that exact system, but he comes here and is told to be a space eater. Then told to play NT. Then the morons on this board heap abuse on him and say trade him for peanuts.

Posted by: Iamhumongous | November 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't see what's the big deal! McNabb was not being effective and was getting killed. He's the best QB on the roster (keep him alive to play another day); why leave him out there to get killed? He wasn't playing well, so give the other guy a chance to spark the offense (which wasn't playing well either!).

Posted by: bobleme | November 1, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse


Dude, you don't make sense to yourself.

When the game is still winnable, you don't bench the "best" QB on your roster.

The offense didn't need a "spark" from the QB position...the offense needed to bring in some concrete barriers to replace the interior Oline.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if we just inform the opponents' Dlinemen that Rex knows the terminology better, they won't blow-up Lichtensteiger and Rabach on every pass play?

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:18 AM |

Hey, there's a thought worthy of .... p1funk.

Maybe if McNabb learns the offense he'll stay on the field for the whole game next time?

As between funk and King, well their names say it all.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The line definitely needs to play better to alot proper time for McNabb to throw the ball into the dirt.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 1, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

On a different note… Why have I always heard that part of the Skins offensive woes are that other team’s defenses are double teaming Moss and/or Cooley and taking them out of games, or limiting their impact? If that is true then why can’t the Skins defense ever seem to do that same thing? The only game where that seemed to work was the Eagle’s game and part of that was Kolb refused to try to through the ball more than 7yds. Why can’t we take Miles Austin, Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson and other team’s No.1 WR out of games and limit their impact. How do you let Calvin Johnson get 3 TD’s? Triple team him but you can’t let the other team’s go to guy beat you. You have to make someone else step up and do it. And can we put to rest the notion that Anthony Armstrong is a legit No. 2 WR in this league.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan knows better than any of us what the Skins gave up bringing McNabb to DC...I didn't see the Lions game, but I'd venture that pulling McNabb wasn't a childish outburst but a carefully considered move; a pre-determined scenario in his game plan.

Seriously. Sure it was all about sending McNabb a message at the "bye." We may not like the message or agree with the message, but there it is.

We can only hope McNabb gets it.

I wasn't in favor of bringing #5 to DC especially for draft picks, but now that he's here I sincerely hope he bears down and plays better, and stays here, so the rest of the team can be rebuilt with the draft picks that remain.

Something tells me though that's not going to happen.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This situation seems to highlight another example of a coach who has exhibited the propensity to allow his ego to dictate his actions.

Posted by: fpickering | November 1, 2010 11:23 AM

Same thing can be said about Marty when he was here...and about Tom Coughlin...there may be a method to Shanny's madness...and may be maddening to many of us right now...all we can do is wait and see...and hope he knows what he is doing...Rome wasn't built in a day folks...we are 4 and 4 and in the thick of things.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey, there's a thought worthy of .... p1funk.

Maybe if McNabb learns the offense he'll stay on the field for the whole game next time?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse


I know I posed my point in a fashion that was too deep for you to grasp, so I'll simplify.

What's the difference how well McNabb (or Grossman) know the offense, if the Dlinemen are running free all game? You're not going to be able execute the plays whether you know them or not.

Grossman apparently knew them better than McNabb...how did that work out?


Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Coach Shanahan sent a message to Donovan McNabb that his play has to improve. Shanahan isn't going to sit by and watch McNabb play poorly game after game. Shanahan isn't going to sit there in fear and feel he has to play McNabb lest everyone in the press and perhaps the players icily condemn him. The players will have their feelings, but they will respond to winning in the end. The press will seek to make controversy, because that is unfortunately what it is about when it comes to selling the ads that are in the papers - controversy attracts people to read the paper and see the ads. But Coach Shanahan is a strong, fair and I think wise coach. He certainly can make mistakes. But this isn't one of them. McNabb should know that he is not ordained to play - he has to improve or he will be removed as a starter.

Posted by: shane2229 | November 1, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


I wasn't in favor of bringing #5 to DC especially for draft picks, but now that he's here I sincerely hope he bears down and plays better, and stays here, so the rest of the team can be rebuilt with the draft picks that remain.

Something tells me though that's not going to happen.


Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 11:31 AM |

something tells me you're right pepper

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant move by Shannahan. Instead of today's headlines attacking McNabb and calling for his benching, all media has rallied around McNabb and attacked Shannahan for an unfair and foolish benching. Love it!

Posted by: wbbradb | November 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I know I posed my point in a fashion that was too deep for you to grasp, so I'll simplify.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:33 AM

No, I understood it perfectly. It was shallow, not deep. It was a simple-minded non sequitur.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

IMO, if you are going to “send a message”, you don’t do it in a game that is still winnable. If they were down 35-0 and had no chance then sure….even if it’s the start of the 3rd qtr. But you don’t bench your BEST player because he threw a pick, or because his 2 minute drill stats aren’t as good as you want. Not when door number 2 is Rex Grossman. Someone said that it would be justifiable if a guy of Mike Vick’s caliber is you number 2, but Rex Grossman? Because he rode the bench in the same system last year? Maybe we should trade for David Carr….he might know the system too, and we could get him on the cheap.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Calling a passing play at that time was as boneheaded as the pass that DM5 threw.

Was hoping to give this coaching staff the benefit of doubt until the end of the year, but now all I have are doubts about this staff.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 1, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Everybody needs to check the histeria at the door. We knew coming in this year, the team had a lot of holes and it was a transition year.
Seems Shanny's decision to bench Mcnabb was clear enough. And we all know it was to send a message. Plain and simple, TAKE CARE OF THE BALL.
You don't throw a int in your own teritory...with the lead...at the end of the game.
Nuff said.

Posted by: azskinsfn | November 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should trade for David Carr….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 11:38 AM

Too late. The trade deadline passed. What you see is what we got.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

No, I understood it perfectly. It was shallow, not deep. It was a simple-minded non sequitur.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse


Look, beep, I'm sorry I dissed your boyfriend Peter King. OK?

You can let it go now, buddy...

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

How is no one (on TV or in the press that I have seen) commenting on McNabb's accuracy? I didn't see him throw 1 accurate pass yesterday. On his deep balls, the receivers had to keep coming back to underthrown passes so the passes were either broken up or the receiver was tackled immediately because McNabb couldn't hit Moss or Armstrong in stride. McNabb couldn't hit his screen throws and passed the ball way out in front of Torain on at least one occasion. And both Moss and Cooley had to try and make shoestring catches again as they have all season because McNabb was throwing low. I understand he was being pressured and the blocking up front was atrocious. But even when he did have time his passes were way off.

I still voted "no" on the poll because the question was phrased so narrowly. Regardless of how badly McNabb was playing, it doesn't make sense to pull him at the end of the game and put in a cold quarterback with 2 minutes to go. In my opinion you either put Grossman in earlier or not at all.

McNabb stunk it up yesterday.

Posted by: mpribe | November 1, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

McNabb was running for his life without offensive line help.


Given the pressure we were getting up the middle, I was wondering why there was no 'shot gun' formation.

Oh well....

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Coaching blunders, to name a few:

going for it on 4th and 10 from his own 25 with 2+ minutes to go and with 2 to's and the 2 minute warning.

going for 2 pt conversion with 11 minutes left in the game(take the point, dumb a$$)

pulling McNabb on the last drive (if you're going to pull him, do it earlier)

I'm stunned by these incredibly poor decisions.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 1, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: motherforobama | November 1, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

This post was a diatribe of nonsense. This is first job where Kyle has ever worked for his father. Last year he oversaw the league's number one offense in Houston. He has absolutely proved himself away from his father. The problem is they inherited an offensive line that had been largely ignored for a decade, a receiving core that was over-drafted and under talented, and zero young depth other than fred davis. I disagree with the benching, but McNabb has been bad for 4 straight weeks and the INT was inexcusable. The line has be steadily falling off as the season progresses, and the running game has been inconsistent at best. IMO its a great coaching job to be 4-4 with this talent pool and the majority of our problems fall squarely at the feet of Vinny C. McNabb could and should be playing better, and I think his leadership and steadiness in the huddle behind a weak line have been more valuable than we realize, but IMO we go young QB young line next season and actually rebuild. Shanny took his shot with McNabb to make a run, now I think he realizes we need 3 to 4 new starters on the line and a new QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Do you agree with Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to bench quarterback Donovan McNabb late in Sunday's game?
Yes
13%
No
86%

the folks that agreed to vote for DMcNabb to be benched are the same folks that think water is a solid - jeez

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Hate to be a fly in your Preperation H, but frozen water is a solid. Just sayin.......

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Look, beep, I'm sorry I dissed your boyfriend Peter King. OK?

You can let it go now, buddy...

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:41 AM

So, you're out of ideas and you're trying for the homo angle. You obviously can't let it go, chum ....

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

First things first, fix the o line. You can't have interchangeable pieces going in and out. Stick with one unit and gain cohesion, man that's football 101!

Posted by: joeboggs | November 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This situation seems to highlight another example of a coach who has exhibited the propensity to allow his ego to dictate his actions.

Posted by: fpickering | November 1, 2010 11:23 AM
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Which is no doubt worse than a coach who allows his QB's ego (Childress) dictate his actions.

This is way overblown. We all no doubt knew Kolb would never recover from losing the starting job to Vick; JC8 was headed for the AFL after getting yanked, and Big Ben would have to earn his teammates trust after his 4 game pee pee slap.

Few players on the team make decisions. You may want to bench a guy for a fumble, or a missed block, a slip on a route, etc, but these are not decisions. Those are decided elsewhere by commitment to practice, technique, & preparation.

But a throw into triple coverage is a decision which is not acceptable, as is taking a sack on 4th and 10 within FG range. Those are the two plays which sunk the battleship, because once Rexy was in, we needed a miracle. Game winning 2 minute TD's without timouts aren't that common, even for the Peyton Manning's of the world.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

IMO, if you are going to “send a message”, you don’t do it in a game that is still winnable. If they were down 35-0 and had no chance then sure….even if it’s the start of the 3rd qtr.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Then it's no message. The real issue as I see it is whether McNabb is going to get the message. He did a few years ago when Reid sat him. But that was an offense he was thoroughly comfortable in and he had a better line there as well. It's going to be much harder for him to climb out of a hole.

A related but distinct possibility is rancor between Kyle and Donovan about the offense, that this was MS's way of saying, do it Kyle's way or you sit. Clearly there is tension between the two thirty-somethings.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should trade for David Carr….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 11:38 AM

Too late. The trade deadline passed. What you see is what we got.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

We don't want that loser. He didn't even get the starting job handed to him when Alex Smith got injured, Troy Smith leap-frogged him on Sunday.

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This post was a diatribe of nonsense. This is first job where Kyle has ever worked for his father. Last year he oversaw the league's number one offense in Houston. He has absolutely proved himself away from his father. The problem is they inherited an offensive line that had been largely ignored for a decade, a receiving core that was over-drafted and under talented, and zero young depth other than fred davis. I disagree with the benching, but McNabb has been bad for 4 straight weeks and the INT was inexcusable. The line has be steadily falling off as the season progresses, and the running game has been inconsistent at best. IMO its a great coaching job to be 4-4 with this talent pool and the majority of our problems fall squarely at the feet of Vinny C. McNabb could and should be playing better, and I think his leadership and steadiness in the huddle behind a weak line have been more valuable than we realize, but IMO we go young QB young line next season and actually rebuild. Shanny took his shot with McNabb to make a run, now I think he realizes we need 3 to 4 new starters on the line and a new QB.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 11:47 AM |

Co-sign, Jack!!

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Given the pressure we were getting up the middle, I was wondering why there was no 'shot gun' formation.

Oh well....

Posted by: MistaMoe

I was thinking the same thing the entire game and especially towards the end.
Are we that sorry we can't run plays from shotgun formation? Kind of reminded me of gibbs 2.0, when there was no such thing.

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 1, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse


Do you agree with Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan's decision to bench quarterback Donovan McNabb late in Sunday's game?
Yes
13%
No
86%

the folks that agreed to vote for DMcNabb to be benched are the same folks that think water is a solid - jeez

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Hate to be a fly in your Preperation H, but frozen water is a solid. Just sayin.......

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 11:47 AM |

did I stipulate water or FROZEN water ?

maybe you should take some AR test to help you comprehend what you're reading. just replyin'

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Of course, this question becomes a no-brainer since we all know what happened once Grossman got his slippery hands on the ball.

Posted by: forgetthis | November 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

zj,

Great call these idiots act like Shanny Jr. was given a top 10 offesne and he is messing it up.

I don't know how with the great team he started with and the numerous draft picks he had that Shanny can't field this great team everyone expected. He should be fired today.

The gaul of this guy to have the team at 4-4 2-0 in the division which is the same amount of division games we had won over the last two years by the way.

The season is over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Far be it from me to question Shanny, but I'm more amazed by the decision with 2:15 left in the game than by benching McNabb. 4th and 10 from deep in your own zone, two timeouts left, and only down a field goal and they go for it?!?

They were 2 for 12 on third down conversions at that point. Did anybody other than Donovan's mother expect them to get the first down? C'mon, give yourselves a chance to win by getting the defense out there to stop them and get the ball back with some field position. We only needed a field goal to tie. Of course, the D wasn't all that either, but I think it gave them the best chance to win. PUNT!!!!!!!

Posted by: capsfan1998 | November 1, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

OK -- forgetting the decision to bench McNabb for a minute -- was anyone else a little confused by the playcall on Grossman's first snap? The offensive line is getting CRUSHED all game, not reliable whatsoever, and Shanny Jr. calls what appeared to be a 5 or 7 step drop pass play? Brilliant -- I had no idea Detroit would blitz on that play...(eyes rolling)...

Posted by: mattylight | November 1, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:41 AM

So, you're out of ideas and you're trying for the homo angle. You obviously can't let it go, chum ....

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


No beep. I just feel bad. You were so giddy and excited about Peter King's article, and I thought it missed the point.

Oh well, I didn't mean to wiz on your parade and your happy-time with Big Pete.

My bad...

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are complaining about going for the 2 point conversions.

Pretty sure they're only complaining cause it didn't work.

That couldn't be any more textbook, folks. When you're up 5 after the score in the 4th quarter (especially with 10 or so minutes left), you go for 2. Pretty standard. Odds say that its more likely that the opponent scores ONE touchdown than TWO field goals (without you scoring).

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was running for his life without offensive line help.

Given the pressure we were getting up the middle, I was wondering why there was no 'shot gun' formation.

Oh well....

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 1, 2010 11:43 AM
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You got it, Moe. Shotgun, unbalanced line, five wides: these are the things you do to counteract an aggressive pass rush against an offensive line that can't stop anyone. I know Shanny and son are not morons. There comes a time when you have to acknowledge that the players you have just can't execute the game plan, and you have to try something else. Hopefully, when they look at the game film they will come to that conclusion.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

the synder curse continues. i'm not usually superstitious, but i'm afraid we will continue to lose until this clown sells the skins.

Posted by: rezuva | November 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

They were 2 for 12 on third down conversions at that point. Did anybody other than Donovan's mother expect them to get the first down? C'mon, give yourselves a chance to win by getting the defense out there to stop them and get the ball back with some field position. We only needed a field goal to tie. Of course, the D wasn't all that either, but I think it gave them the best chance to win. PUNT!!!!!!!

Posted by: capsfan1998 | November 1, 2010 11:55 AM

Some would have you think that it was DM5's fault for getting sacked on that play, but even if the ball is thrown away, the Lions take over deep in Skins territory.

Dumb. Coaching. Decision.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 1, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh well, I didn't mean to wiz on your parade and your happy-time with Big Pete.

My bad...

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:58 AM

So, you can't let go of your homophobic fixation.

You ever argue with facts and ideas or is this about as good as you can do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Just when you thought the drama was over...As the Redskins Turn

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McNabb situation could fracture Redskins locker room
Posted by Mike Florio on November 1, 2010 11:34 AM ET

The surprising decision of Redskins coach Mike Shanahan to bench quarterback Donovan McNabb with the game on the line has triggered plenty of media consternation.

It also could be causing major problems within the organization.

As explained in this week's Monday 10-pack and in my post-SNF game visit with Bob Costas (appearing in the video box below, after addressing the Randy Moss situation), the idea that McNabb was yanked because his backup knows the two-minute offense better than the starter holds less water than a camel with a kidney infection.

And with two weeks to analyze and scrutinize and hypothesize, this one will get more interesting in time. Especially as other players on the team make their feelings known.

First up? Defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth, the original tenant in the Shanahan Family Doghouse. "I mean, that's Donovan McNabb on your team," Haynesworth said, per Mike Wise of the Washington Post. "I would always keep him out there on the field -- no matter what. That's just me."

A player who requested anonymity told Wise that the player "felt the strained relationship between McNabb and Kyle Shanahan," and that McNabb "gives the offensive unit more confidence in the huddle than any player in recent team history," which "counts for more than a scheme."

Look for more accounts like this to emerge. It's Shanahan-McNabb, and everyone in the organization will have an opinion.

In the end, Shanahan's is the only one that matters. But his effort to coax the best performance out of McNabb (or, perhaps more accurately, a better performance than mediocre) could create the kind of problems that could keep this team from achieving its potential, what its potential may be.

Posted by: TWISI | November 1, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was running for his life most of the game. But his passing accuracy is really poor when he has time, particularly the short, touch passes. How often does he hit receivers in stride?
His good quality is scrambling under pressure, which he has lots of practice with. I think McNabb is the best option for us the rest of the way, but I don't expect him to change a whole lot. Give him good protection and he'll be better, as will the running game with better blocking.

My guess at the beginning of the year was 7-9 worst case, 9-7 best case. I think that's still a reasonable prediction.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

flound, from game 1 have you seen progress with the offense?? did you see a 'countermove' to the pressure up the middle yesterday, or did they just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results..

have you watched lichenstiger, are you pleased with him getting a job, just because he's a shanny guy?? or do you think that maybe this was a mistake..

this offense has had 1 good game, 2 games where they didn't score a TD, so to call out Kyle is well within reason...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

mcnabb is very unlikely to resign with the redskins.

we traded a 2nd round pick, and a conditional 3rd/4th rd. pick for one year of mcnabb. how is this different than the past ten years of snyderism? the 3rd/4th will be a third round pick if mcnabb either 1) makes the probowl (no); or 2) plays 70% of the offensive snaps and the skins win at least 9 games.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | November 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Then it's no message. The real issue as I see it is whether McNabb is going to get the message. He did a few years ago when Reid sat him. But that was an offense he was thoroughly comfortable in and he had a better line there as well. It's going to be much harder for him to climb out of a hole.
A related but distinct possibility is rancor between Kyle and Donovan about the offense, that this was MS's way of saying, do it Kyle's way or you sit. Clearly there is tension between the two thirty-somethings.
Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 11:51 AM

Sure it is (a message). I don’t remember the exact timing and score when Reid pulled Mcnabb but they were getting mauled. The game was out of reach. Either way, message sent, and hopefully DMac gets it and plays better. If he really wanted to send a message he should have pulled the center and 2 guards along with Mcnabb.

And (not at you here Pepper) I was being sarcastic when I said “maybe we should trade for Davis Carr”……yeesh.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 1, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hate to be a fly in your Preperation H, but frozen water is a solid. Just sayin.......

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 11:47 AM |

did I stipulate water or FROZEN water ?

maybe you should take some AR test to help you comprehend what you're reading. just replyin'

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Wow, everyone leave hess alone on 'Disappointing Loss Mondays', apparently we can only talk to him on 'Victory Mondays'! Big Baby!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse


Oh well, I didn't mean to wiz on your parade and your happy-time with Big Pete.

My bad...

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 11:58 AM

So, you can't let go of your homophobic fixation.

You ever argue with facts and ideas or is this about as good as you can do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:02 PM |

ok p1 and beep, you should practice what you preach. agree to disagree and move on

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, there's a thought worthy of .... p1funk.

As between funk and King, well their names say it all.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

You ever argue with facts and ideas or is this about as good as you can do?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse


I just play down to my opposition.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

That couldn't be any more textbook, folks. When you're up 5 after the score in the 4th quarter (especially with 10 or so minutes left), you go for 2. Pretty standard. Odds say that its more likely that the opponent scores ONE touchdown than TWO field goals (without you scoring).

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:00 PM

Brian Burke has his hands full this week with all the crazy sh!t that happened in the 2nd half.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope people realize what was really happening yesterday. I watched the game and when the other team can get tremendous pressure all game long on the QB while rushing only 3 or 4 guys and dropping 7 or 8 guys into coverage, it makes it impossible to execute any type of offense. Add in the factor of the Skins no. 2 and 3 WR’s would not be on any other team’s rosters, trying to blame McNabb for playing poorly yesterday is just stupid.

Half of the time the Skins best receiving threat, Cooley, had to stay in and help Heyer in pass protection. Meaning Moss, the only legit NFL WR on the roster had to try and get open against double teams all game long. The fact that McNabb got us the points he did speaks volumes about the type of leader and player he is more than any stats will ever show.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody else see in the early third quarter when we were lining up for a 2nd and 10 the camera quickly shot to Kyle who had his hands in the air and it didn't take a pro lip reader to see him say "that's not the right formation" the play ended up a rb dive into the line for no gain. I also read a quote last night that McNabb said essentially that qb's have to call their own plays a lot of the time. IMO there's more going on than anyone realizes outside of the locker room and that McNabb may be pulling a little Willie Beaman (Any Given Sunday) on the calls coming in from the sidelines.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


Wow, everyone leave hess alone on 'Disappointing Loss Mondays', apparently we can only talk to him on 'Victory Mondays'! Big Baby!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:05 PM |

dude, to be that critical about water is UFB. I'm in a good mood everyday my feet hit the floor in the morning. Peace

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

flound, from game 1 have you seen progress with the offense?? did you see a 'countermove' to the pressure up the middle yesterday, or did they just keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 12:03 PM
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I don't know what is the more frightening prospect:

-They just don't have a plan "B".

-They don't see the need for the adjustments.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 1, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21,

Last year, most people were blaming Zorn, Jason Campbell, Greg Blache, and Vinny for us not getting it done. Maybe you weren't one, but it seemed the general consensus was if we had a better coach and QB, and a real GM, we could be competitive. Now, we have a better QB, coach and GM, our offense is just as bad as last year, and all of the sudden it's the players who are no good, i.e. the "well, look what Shanny has to work with!" comments. And though we definitely need an upgrade in talent to be sure, Shanny and Son do deserve criticism, both for personnel decisions -- no Dockery? Bringing in LJ and Willie Parker? De-activating AH92 for the Colts game, etc.

Seems Shanny gets a pass for 2 Super Bowls he won 12 years ago. Not disrespecting him, but he isn't immune to blame for yesterday's debacle...

Posted by: mattylight | November 1, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

McNabb may be pulling a little Willie Beaman (Any Given Sunday) on the calls coming in from the sidelines.
Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 12:09 PM

I prefer calling it a “Russ Grimm” (82 NFC Championship game)……

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Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse


I think the vast majority of folks who watched the game agree with you.

Which is why many of us are wondering why Shanny wanted to make this about McNabb knowing the 2-minute drill.

I'm happy with 4-4, and I think that the team's done some good things; but at this point if Shanny honestly thinks the "issue" is McNabb knowing the offense, then I think he needs to start paying attention during the film sessions.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, everyone leave hess alone on 'Disappointing Loss Mondays', apparently we can only talk to him on 'Victory Mondays'! Big Baby!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:05 PM |

dude, to be that critical about water is UFB. I'm in a good mood everyday my feet hit the floor in the morning. Peace

Posted by: hessone | November 1, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Dude, seriously? I was just joking, so stop being a retard! I'm about as p*ssed-off as anyone else that we lost, so get your head outta your azz and grow up. I'll just stay away from you and call you a NERD later on when you've cooled down!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate on the 4th and 10 play call. After years of overly conservative play killing us, I'm happy with being aggressive at a risk sometimes.

I'm sure this will be a Brian Burke post later, but...

I'll take a 25% chance of picking up the first down on 4th and 10... if it doesn't work, you're likely to hold them to a FG with very little time remaining and just getting it back again in the same spot down 6 instead of 3.

If you punt, odds are you end up in the same situation, down 3 points with the ball on the same spot after they punt back to you. But you miss the 25% chance of picking up the first on 4th and 10. And you also take the risk of trying to stop Calvin Johnson, which we couldn't do all day.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Dude, seriously? I was just joking, so stop being a retard! I'm about as p*ssed-off as anyone else that we lost, so get your head outta your azz and grow up. I'll just stay away from you and call you a NERD later on when you've cooled down!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:15 PM

Peace = ITN...haha...you're lucky monk.

Oh and its RETARD...not retard.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate on the 4th and 10 play call. After years of overly conservative play killing us, I'm happy with being aggressive at a risk sometimes.

I'm sure this will be a Brian Burke post later, but...

I'll take a 25% chance of picking up the first down on 4th and 10... if it doesn't work, you're likely to hold them to a FG with very little time remaining and just getting it back again in the same spot down 6 instead of 3.

If you punt, odds are you end up in the same situation, down 3 points with the ball on the same spot after they punt back to you. But you miss the 25% chance of picking up the first on 4th and 10. And you also take the risk of trying to stop Calvin Johnson, which we couldn't do all day.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are complaining about going for the 2 point conversions.

Pretty sure they're only complaining cause it didn't work.

That couldn't be any more textbook, folks. When you're up 5 after the score in the 4th quarter (especially with 10 or so minutes left), you go for 2. Pretty standard. Odds say that its more likely that the opponent scores ONE touchdown than TWO field goals (without you scoring).

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse
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Not going to win many arguments supporting a call with a 25% success rate yesterday. I'm not sure you start reaching for points like that with 10 minutes to go.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 1, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

watched the game without sound -- though Donovan was injured and that is why he was out. Was absolutely stunned when I heard he'd been pulled.

I don't know how this issue plays out -- but some perhaps this confusion and frustration turns into something positive. I'm just not sure how ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

ryp, but with how the offense was playing, and not being able to exectute, going for it on 4/10 made little to no sense....agreed on the agressiveness, but temper that with sanity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't already done so, read Peter King's analysis of this f-ed up situation in his MMQB section.

Pete, get outta my head and stop stealing my thoughts!

Posted by: kone | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Dallas and Minn both need a QB...

I'm not sayin.....I'm just sayin......

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Peace = ITN...haha...you're lucky monk.

Oh and its RETARD...not retard.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, are we the only ones on that list?

Sorry, next time I just won't joke with the RETARD!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Guys lets look at this situation for what it is.

The redskins hired an inept personnel guy...Mike Shannhan and the team is once again set back another 5 years.

I knew shannhan couldn't judge defensive talent to save his life...see his denver career

but, it is clear he can't judge offensive talent either. lets analyze his offensive personnel decisions

Trading for Donovan mcnabb and giving up a 2nd rd pick plus a 3/4. Not awful unless you have zero fiath in the guy and will onlt have him for one season. this season became superbowl or bust when this deal was done and remains that way until mcnabb resigns

trading for jammal brown (a move that could have been avoided if we didn't give up a 2nd rd for mcnabb). This deal looked good on paper, but he lcearly isn't healthy and we are still stuck with stephen heyer

signing casey rahbach to a 3yr extension. anybody who saw him play the last 2 years knew he should have been replaced

bringing in larry johnson, willie parker, and joey galloway. these guys added nothing to the team. we are a bad team, why not bring in youth?

cutting devin thomas - does the "genius" really expect us to beleive DT can't do what galloway does? what happened here?

benching derrick dockery... what has lichtenshtein or hicks done that dockery can't do? we still have piss poor pass protection and can't run the ball at all

and while I am at it, lets throw in the fact that he thought it would be fun to run a 3-4, so now 2 of our 4 best defensive players ride the pine.

Posted by: BSAM63 | November 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse


I think the vast majority of folks who watched the game agree with you.

Which is why many of us are wondering why Shanny wanted to make this about McNabb knowing the 2-minute drill.

I'm happy with 4-4, and I think that the team's done some good things; but at this point if Shanny honestly thinks the "issue" is McNabb knowing the offense, then I think he needs to start paying attention during the film sessions.

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

To an extent I totally agree, there are a lot more problems here than McNabb. However, I also remember the game 3 of the preseason when McNabb couldn't play and Grossman started against the Jets D. He moved the ball, didn't turn it over and put 9 points on the board in 3 quarters, which represents the same amount of points the high flying Green Bay offense just put up on the Jets in a full game. McNabb's throws for the last 4 weeks have been late, inaccurate, and mostly just bad decisions too. He continually throws down field into coverage on 3rd downs when he has open guys at the markers. He misses on deeps balls by 10 yards at times and his check down decisions/accuracy are horrible. I'm not saying Grossman is the better player, but maybe in this system that McNabb is obviously uncomfortable in he should get a shot....just not 110 seconds from the bye week when he hasn't had a snap in 10 weeks!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 1, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Guys lets look at this situation for what it is.

The redskins hired an inept personnel guy...Mike Shannhan and the team is once again set back another 5 years.

I knew shannhan couldn't judge defensive talent to save his life...see his denver career

but, it is clear he can't judge offensive talent either. lets analyze his offensive personnel decisions

Trading for Donovan mcnabb and giving up a 2nd rd pick plus a 3/4. Not awful unless you have zero fiath in the guy and will onlt have him for one season. this season became superbowl or bust when this deal was done and remains that way until mcnabb resigns

trading for jammal brown (a move that could have been avoided if we didn't give up a 2nd rd for mcnabb). This deal looked good on paper, but he lcearly isn't healthy and we are still stuck with stephen heyer

signing casey rahbach to a 3yr extension. anybody who saw him play the last 2 years knew he should have been replaced

bringing in larry johnson, willie parker, and joey galloway. these guys added nothing to the team. we are a bad team, why not bring in youth?

cutting devin thomas - does the "genius" really expect us to beleive DT can't do what galloway does? what happened here?

benching derrick dockery... what has lichtenshtein or hicks done that dockery can't do? we still have piss poor pass protection and can't run the ball at all

and while I am at it, lets throw in the fact that he thought it would be fun to run a 3-4, so now 2 of our 4 best defensive players ride the pine.

Posted by: BSAM63 | November 1, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

why not play derrick dockery more?
especially against the lions?

Posted by: football-loving-foreigner | November 1, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 1, 2010 12:19 PM

While I agree with your logic here, the call was wrong because the Skins were having problems converting 3rd downs on the Lions D. This was an all day problem and in this game the correct decision was to punt.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 1, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how this issue plays out -- but some perhaps this confusion and frustration turns into something positive. I'm just not sure how ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM

If Donovan thinks he's going to get a big payday in his next contract -- here for anywhere else -- then he's going to find a way to play better in the next 8 games. If two great QB coaches -- Reid and Shanahan -- give up on him, he's not going to be a hot commodity anywhere else.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Gonna lay it all on the line and say this:

Mike Shanahan is a voyeur

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | November 1, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, are we the only ones on that list?

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:23 PM

Hell no...he's the ITN KING!

Do you know how giddy I was when my 26-20 with Gano being a perfect 4 for 4 prediction was coming along at halftime? 13-7 with Gano 2 for 2 at half haha...then the wheels fell off. I'm throwing out my number crunching machine tonight.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I doubt anyone has commented on a Bay Area QB we don't have. I'm talking about ... Troy Smith. When the Ravens got rid of QBs, we got the one Shanny had a hard on for since he saw him in college. SF got the other. I liked what I'd seen of Smith in B'more (preseason stuff). Yesterday, he took over the 49ers and led them to a win with a 110 passer rating.

Clearly, Troy Smith is much closer to ready for prime time than either of our current bench QBs. Not sure what the rest of 2010 hold, but there is ZERO clarity on our QB for 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: adfjsfsfg | November 1, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Dallas and Minn both need a QB...

I'm not sayin.....I'm just sayin......

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM |

For that matter, so does Chicago. Could be a homecoming for DMac for all those that are ticked at his play this season.

I'm willing to stay behind him, sign him and have him groom the QB we draft in April unless that future QB is already on our roster (Bartel?).

No big deal and if the game was lost - and it would have been - by McNabb, all we'd be talking about today is the O-Line.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 1, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: adfjsfsfg | November 1, 2010 12:31 PM

F*CK OFF!!!!!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how this issue plays out -- but some perhaps this confusion and frustration turns into something positive. I'm just not sure how ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:22 PM

If Donovan thinks he's going to get a big payday in his next contract -- here for anywhere else -- then he's going to find a way to play better in the next 8 games. If two great QB coaches -- Reid and Shanahan -- give up on him, he's not going to be a hot commodity anywhere else.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree beep-beep...

Mc Nabb has not been playing well and needs to for a big payday.

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Posted by: adfjsfsfg | November 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope DMac DOES NOT resign here after this season... he deserves much better than this bulls**t this organization puts out...an ima Skins fan. This man is a class act and a winner...bottom line...5 Conf. championships, a handful of pro bowls, 1 one Super Bowl appearance on his resume, i mean come on that speaks for itself, if it wasnt for this same QB that "daddy and son" benched, we wouldn't have had a chance to win this damn game. I'd like to see Donovan win with a true winning team. And for that coach to say Grossman knew the termanology better...i mean damn it was a 1:50 somthin freakin seconds left in the game, knowing all the termanology in the world wasnt gon save his ass from that Detroit d-line.....MAN PLEASE!!!!!!!

Posted by: dspower33 | November 1, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what the rest of 2010 hold, but there is ZERO clarity on our QB for 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

??

Isn't it obvious?

Starting Week 10, the JOHN BECK ERA begins in Washington!!!

Posted by: p1funk | November 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

...there is ZERO clarity on our QB for 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 1, 2010 12:31 PM

I'm sure Shanahan has a clear vision of it, but don't know why he would want to talk about it. He's hoping that McNabb will step up (though not holding his breath), and then there's Plan B, Plan C, and Plan D. All will be revealed.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 1, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The major personnel moves to date do not look brilliant. Some of the minor moves look good, like Banks. Still if they'd gotten a few folks in the draft who could play besides T. Williams, they would be doing much better.

I look at the Giants and the Eagles and I see teams that appear better managed.

I'm concerned that we don't really have a GM.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: beep-beep

What his handle means...

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 1, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, are we the only ones on that list?

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:23 PM

Hell no...he's the ITN KING!

Do you know how giddy I was when my 26-20 with Gano being a perfect 4 for 4 prediction was coming along at halftime? 13-7 with Gano 2 for 2 at half haha...then the wheels fell off. I'm throwing out my number crunching machine tonight.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Darn, I thought I was part of elite company! How'd Hess get so grumpy anyway, he not getting any or something?

Yeah, I think my machine needs to go too!! Not because it gives me the wrong predictions, but it told me to joke with Hess today, and now it got me on the 'Peace List'!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: PlayAction | November 1, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I think like all fathers do, Shanny is siding with his son. His sons play calling has been terrible and combine that with fact that the interior linemen are empty trash cans, gives us the results. Dmac isn't playing great but as with JC if you don't have blocking up front, you don't win.
2 minute Off is run by the QB, not the OC.
I wasn't a fan of Shanny before he got here and he doesn't get any passes from me now that he's the coach. His roster moves so far have been the difference in all our losses. Failure to get AH involved b/c of pissing match, releasing DT and keeping Galloway who has maybe 10 catches this season, benching Dock for Lictenstieger (CL has been getting his hat handed to him ever since the benching), signing Rabach to a 3 yr ext., not signing a blocking TE to free up Cooley and Davis, the fact we have 3 SS's and 1 FS, etc.

Posted by: priceisright | November 1, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna catch hell for this........

I actually feel sorry for Dan Snyder. No matter what this guy does with this team it blows up in his face. It's kinda startin to feel like the Skins are just plain cursed as an organization. I just hope it isn't one of those Cubs or Redsox type of curses because I really don't have that kind of time.

Posted by: skins91r | November 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think like all fathers do, Shanny is siding with his son. His sons play calling has been terrible and combine that with fact that the interior linemen are empty trash cans, gives us the results. Dmac isn't playing great but as with JC if you don't have blocking up front, you don't win.
2 minute Off is run by the QB, not the OC.
I wasn't a fan of Shanny before he got here and he doesn't get any passes from me now that he's the coach. His roster moves so far have been the difference in all our losses. Failure to get AH involved b/c of pissing match, releasing DT and keeping Galloway who has maybe 10 catches this season, benching Dock for Lictenstieger (CL has been getting his hat handed to him ever since the benching), signing Rabach to a 3 yr ext., not signing a blocking TE to free up Cooley and Davis, the fact we have 3 SS's and 1 FS, etc.

Posted by: priceisright | November 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I think like all fathers do, Shanny is siding with his son. His sons play calling has been terrible and combine that with fact that the interior linemen are empty trash cans, gives us the results. Dmac isn't playing great but as with JC if you don't have blocking up front, you don't win.
2 minute Off is run by the QB, not the OC.
I wasn't a fan of Shanny before he got here and he doesn't get any passes from me now that he's the coach. His roster moves so far have been the difference in all our losses. Failure to get AH involved b/c of pissing match, releasing DT and keeping Galloway who has maybe 10 catches this season, benching Dock for Lictenstieger (CL has been getting his hat handed to him ever since the benching), signing Rabach to a 3 yr ext., not signing a blocking TE to free up Cooley and Davis, the fact we have 3 SS's and 1 FS, etc.

Posted by: priceisright | November 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

So now, if I'm DMac I'm definitely looking at the door after this season.

Minnesota never looked so good.

I can go play with a head coach who is a friend, knows me, respect me and runs my offense, instead of take grief from a 30 year old coach's-son coordinator telling me my mechanics are off.

I can go play with Adrian Peterson, Percy Harvin, Visanthe Shiancoe and maybe Randy Moss, instead of Keiland Williams, Joey Galloway and Anthony Armstrong.

I can play behind an Oline where Artis Hicks is a backup instead of a valued starter.

I can play for an owner willing to give $20mill/year to has-been QBs like myself.

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Posted by: adfjsfsfg | November 1, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Nobody wants to buy your NERD artifacts!

Posted by: monk811 | November 1, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

While McNabb may not have had the greatest WR’s in Philly, for most of his career he had a pretty good OL. The last two years since Tra Thomas and Jon Runyon left they were not as good. You can get by with bad WR’s or bad OL play but not both. Hind sight is 20/20 but that rookie WR for the Bucs, Williams, is pretty good. He was sitting there when we drafted our backup/special teams LB. Forgot his name already. With our WR roster as thin as it is you would have thought if any team would take a shot on a guy in the 3rd or 4th round it should have been the Skins.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 1, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins gave up sacks to a four man rush with five player protection... If McNabb wasn't scrambling for his life every play, you'd see his numbers go up.

TLDR; great player with no protection looks bad.

PS. Looks like its time to trade a whole ton of picks to take a chance on some first round QB bust.

Posted by: swingwing | November 1, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should also think about the fact that since we're all outsiders, we have no idea what McNab did/didn't do to earn his benching late in the game. For example, maybe Shanny told him something specific and DMcNab ignored him and did it anyways. In that case, what Head Coach or CEO at any company, is going to take that crap and not do something about it. I'm not saying that's what happened, but we are not on the inside and impossible to judge without having all the facts. Do you really think Shanny is going to tell us the truth? He's proven that he is not willing to share all with the fans. He gave some blah blah about terminology, which is pretty much a non-answer.

Posted by: cys868 | November 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

While I understand why everyone was mystified, I agree with Shanahan on this decision, he'd lost confidence in McNabb, maybe it was the INT, I dunno, maybe deep down he thought they were going to lose anyways, so why not bench McNabb, thereby sending a message to the team, and maybe at the same time see what Rex could do in a game time situation.

We've been fooling ourselves if we think we are play off team, We are easily 2 Interior OL, a competent WR, and some LB/CB help away from being consistent playoff contenders. That won't be fixed this year or next I imagine. I think Shanahan is using this season to see what we actually have, and going from there.

Remember, McNabb has been benched before in Phily, so its not like he's never been in this situation before.

Posted by: Veretax | November 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Worst coaching move in the history of the Redskins Franchise. REX GROSSMAN, ARE YOU KIDDING ME REX GROSSMAN?!!!! WHAT PLANET DO YOU LIVE ON SHANAHAN!?

Posted by: tomgill21 | November 1, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what Eagles team you were watching over the last decade, Mr. Reid, but the Eagles never tailored their offense to fit whatever McNabb's talents are. It's been widely discussed in Philadelphia that the coaching staff SHOULD have done that while he was an Eagle, but never did; the only concession made to McNabb was to trade for Terrell Owens.

Coaching staffs in the NFL are extremely arrogant, believing that the players need to mold to fit THEIR idea of how football should be played, rather than tailoring the plans to fit the players (see also: Haynesworth, Albert, et al). In this sense Shanahan is over-the-top arrogant, taking a $100 million Pro Bowl defensive tackle and turning him into the Invisible Man -- for no good reason.

What you have seen out of McNabb is what the Eagles, and their fans, saw for 10 years: Poor decision-making, poor throws into tight coverage, poor accuracy, poor touch on the ball, no emotion, no accountability.

You can do the same thing as Philly did: Blame an inept offensive line (though, isn't a semi-mobile QB supposed to offset that liability?), decry the lack of playmaking receivers, make excuses for how he doesn't know 'the system', and so on. These are familiar refrains regarding McNabb, whether you are aware or not.

Enjoy the ride!!

Posted by: Critias | November 1, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is all too funny. When the Eagles traded McNabb to the Redskins everyone so called expert said this was a dumb move. What these high paid experts didn’t know was after watching McNabb play over 150 games for the Eagles; he was an average QB when they traded him. Now all the experts crawled back into the wood work since McNabb is looking average at best. Yes McNabb went to 5 Championship games; the only game he played well in was his first, when the Eagles were underdogs. The 4 other games they were favored. The one game he won was against a 1 dimensional Falcons team that Jim Johnson designed a game plan to stop Michael Vick. McNabb is the Redskins problem for the remainder of the year. Shanahan won’t resign him; he now saw what all of Philadelphia saw, a QB that won’t come up big when you need him. Redskin fans your only hope is to lose the remaining games so you get a good draft pick then may net a franchise QB.

Posted by: j0eg | November 1, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Whatever.

McNabb was impressive that he LASTED that game. Tom Brady leaves that game on a golf cart.

Like it was with Campbell, our O Line is a HUGE liability. You want to put a high-paid rookie behind THAT?! Might as well burn the money.

Benching McNabb, for ANY reason was idiocy and we all saw what happens when a bum QB gets behind our line. Campbell is not as bad as he looked behind our BS line and neither is McNabb.

If Shanny wants to bench somebody, how about getting to the heart of the matter and sitting the O Line along with McNabb? How about sitting Joey GoAway? How about sitting an offensive "system" that doesn't match your personnel? How about benching whoever decided to go into the game with Ryan "Choo Choo...Gesundheit!" Torain and Keiland Williams?

That game, as ugly as it was because of our RIDICULOUS O Line, was winnable. It would have been a tough loss and the game plan of passing all the time was very suspect given the state of the passing "pocket."

But, now, you've created MORE and bigger problems... You benched your QB who is a proven quantity in this league. You've been dropping hints that he's too stupid to pick up "The Offense" and he doesn't "stand" correctly in the pocket.

Who the F can stand up straight under that kind of pressure?!

You screwed the pooch on that one, Shanny. Redskin fans can tolerate a lot, but Zorn-like ineptitude and BS lies about who cannot play football (Devin Thomas, Albert Haynesworth, and now McNabb) do not fly here.

If those BS excuses didn't fly where you won 2 Super Bowls in Denver, don't expect them to fly here. You can shove your rings.... one up yours and the other up your son's, because we've GOT 3 Super Bowl victories and the guy who won them for us NEVER did STUPID sh!t like that.

And when he DID F up, he sure didn't come out with some nonsense like that!

How about earning your paycheck and coming up with something to WIN games based on what you've got on the field? McNabb is where it should START and you act like he's a problem? Our best bet is to ride the rest of his career out, give him pieces he can use (Not Galloway, for instance) and design an offense that uses his talents best.

Is that too freakin' much to ask?

Do YOUR job!

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The most relieved person in town is Dan Snyder. Finally no one is blaming him. Prediction. The Skins will likely muddle through the rest of the year going up and down and finish where they are now at .500. That will be an improvement over last year and a significant step forward. But for now this team is mediocre at best. When Mike Sellers says "This team has got to stop playing down to the competition" it shows how delusional he and others are about "this team". The Redskins got beaten by the Rams and the Lions because of attitudes like Seller's; this is like so many games in the recent past seasons. I had hoped the new coach and GM would have rid the team of the Sellers mind-set by now. Doesn't 4-12 teach anybody a lesson?

Posted by: edwardconnors | November 1, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

so, edwardconnors,

the reason McNabb was getting his ass beaten was because Sellers thinks we are better than we really are?

Sorry. I don't buy it.

I think it's because our O Line sucks.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

There's a problem when saying "when McNabb had time he didn't always make the throw". How many times did he have time? And how consistent is that? You do realize that there are many QBs that will have time all game and still not complete a high percentage of their passes(like Brady for the past 3 or more weeks). You're basically asking McNabb to make all of his throws with limited opportunities....even Qbs with great O-lines aren't held to that standard unless they're completing 100% of their passes

Only McNabb or Vick would be able to do something with this offense. Most Qbs would not be able to avoid the sacks and make the plays that they can..and McNabb has avoided many sacks and broken tackles. He's a big strong guy and he's hard to take down...most other Qbs would have been sacked more than Cutler in my honest opinion

The almost pick 6 was not McNabb's fault at all. Look at that replay and look at how Galloway went for the ball. It's not always the Qbs fault though they get all the blame. Same thing with the last interception...he could have made a better decision but his hand was also hit on the play..putting less zip on the ball

McNabb could certainly play better...but I also feel like he's held to a near impossible standard. He could throw the ball to Galloway and he'll go like an old man for the ball...and McNabb will get the blame. He can fire a bullet right to Davis on a near goal line conversion attempt, and it will get blamed on McNabb even though most receivers/tight ends can hold on to those quick passes. He can avoid almost getting sacked and trying to keep a play alive...but he'll get criticized for still missing the throw when the play could have been dead anyway. Going unnoticed is that even if it isn't all the time...McNabb has on several occasions kept alive what should have been dead plays. And he's been doing it without a running game...a running game that's only showed up twice this year. It's one thing to have no running game...which McNabb has dealt with for years. But add on to that the weapons he has(Galloway especially), the O-line...and fitting in with a new offense and really...I'm surprised people aren't more patient. I saw this whole thing as being an overall plan. Go for it all in 2011...then groom a QB for 3 years. But I expect McNabb to say screw it and leave for a better put together team

Posted by: smooth700 | November 1, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Peter King is a moron.

He never mentioned the fact that our O Line doesn't hold up.

It would be nice if he could send me a copy of that article printed on toilet paper. Then I might have some use for it.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Thank You, Smooth700!

Dead ON.

Posted by: Thinker_ | November 1, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

All this pass happy stuff is for the birds..Coach Shanny tell your son to POUND THE ROCK..Then PASS the Ball not vice versa. The track record shows that,s how your win in the NFC East. PERIOD..Need evidence who was the last NFC East team to win it all..GIANTS. Whose always a thread EVERY YEAR..enough said.

Posted by: hammer4 | November 1, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Where were all you "pocket coaches" when DS and BA were searching for a Coach?

Posted by: manwaa51 | November 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Heck...I say put Grossman is. Let's see how many sacks he avoids...since people are taking it for granted when McNabb does it. Let's see how many times Grossman won't fumble after being hit plenty of times. I'm all for it...since apparently we have no holes on offense and McNabb is the person holding us back from making it deep to the playoffs :-/. I mean whether anyone realizes it or not that's what they're basically saying...that McNabb should be able to perform just like all the other Qbs with less. Unfortunately he can no longer carry a team on his back like he did in his prime.

It always amazed me though how McNabb is held to a near perfect standard when what surrounds him is far from perfect. No running game in Philly? Despite the fact that most Qbs do? Then he's still blamed for not getting them a Super Bowl. A bad O-line....no weapons...breaking tackles...in combination with a new offense after 11 years? On a 4-12 team? Yea...his fault too

I saw someone comment that if McNabb wants big money he'll have to perform better. You're probably right. But even if McNabb were to get just a regular 2 year contract with another team...at this point McNabb just cares about winning. Why not go to the Cardinals where he can throw to Larry Fitzgerald? Maybe even Vincent Jackson will go to the Cardinals...he surely won't go to the Redskins if McNabb isn't here. So McNabb may have his own version of Fitzgerald and Boldin...on a team where his every move won't be scrutinized and nitpicked. McNabb...like Romo shouldn't be in high media towns. More often than not they're ungrateful, especially coming from a 4-12 team that McNabb has been beating for years. If I'm not mistaken he used to dominate the Lions too. Heck...last year against Chicago he completed 71% of his passes and played relatively well...finishing with a 101.6 QB rating. He comes to the Redskin and 3 times worse and instead of giving it time...people think it's just on McNabb? So he had a 93.6 QB rating with no running game and little interceptions last year...and he falls to a Qb rating in the 70s and he's all to blame for why a 4-12 team is struggling? I thought his O-line in Philly last year and even years before were questionable despite what many said...but Washington's O-line makes others look like The Hogs

Posted by: smooth700 | November 1, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

In fairness to Shanny, McNabb has been STINKING it up for a while now. Can't overlook how badly McNabb has been playing for the last 4-5 games. But Shanny risks losing the team if he doesn't sit Rabach, Lichtensteiger, Galloway, etc... all the other guys that have been stinking it up.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 1, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

What they need in order to develop their OLine are the two 2d round picks they gave away for an aging QB who the coach thinks isn't as good under pressure as REX CHAPMAN! That says it all -- they wasted those picks.

Posted by: dolph924 | November 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The football gods have intervened one last time for the Redskins this year - Randy Moss is available for a team that doesn't have any wr's. Go get McNabb a weapon. Do it Allen.

Posted by: coparker5 | November 1, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Vikes cut Randy Moss. Normally, I want no parts of him. Right now, I'd say go get him on a one year rental.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 1, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all the hyperventilating about this. As a general rule, in any sport, it is healthy for any coach to send a message to his team that nobody is irreplaceable. This is akin to pulling a goaltender in hockey -- sometimes doing so is necessary for both the goaltender and the team. It does not mean that the goaltender is terrible or has lost his job.

Posted by: CapsLust | November 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Bench KYLE !

Maybe there should be a Facebook group to BENCH Kyle.

Posted by: moralcompass1 | November 1, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Yes, pick up Moss, whoever the QB is needs someone to throw the ball to. I think you really have to take a hard look at the receivers on this team, not much talent there.

Posted by: phrankbama | November 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I believe coach Shannahan benched McNabb for that interception, which was costly.Take the sack,but don't turn the ball over. McNabb's poor numbers are a result of a porous line. The run blocking and pass blocking are terrible. Even Peyton Manning wouldn't fair well with the Redskin linemen. They were manhandled for sixty minutes.

Posted by: hritewing | November 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

BENCH THE OFFENSIVE LINE

Posted by: devore07 | November 1, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse


Dude, "maybe it's a brother thing" was said in jest...Relax Brown, don't be so quick to get your panties in a bunch...

I love how a questionably racist comment was defended by an arguably sexist one!

Posted by: crs-one | November 1, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Being an Eagle fan, I told my DC friends that the Skins' biggest problem was not their QB but their offensive line. Peyton Manning would get chewed up in Washington.

Posted by: mschaff1 | November 2, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

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