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Bugel decision may affect timing of announcement

Updated at 8:03 p.m.

The scheduling of the Redskins' anticipated introduction of Mike Shanahan as their next coach could be affected by potential plans to honor offensive line coach Joe Bugel, who is expected to retire, league sources said.

Shanahan arrived this afternoon, his flight from Colorado landing at Dulles at around 3 p.m., about 12 hours after Jim Zorn's two-year tenure ended. The team is moving forward with plans to have a news conference for Shanahan sometime this week at Redskins Park, possibly as early as Tuesday, but it could be shifted to as late as Wednesday or Thursday depending on the progress of talks between Shanahan and owner Daniel Snyder and whether the team also does something special this week for Bugel, league source said.

In his 32nd season in the NFL and 15th with the Redskins, Bugel had one of his best seasons coaching, many in the organization said, while leading the Redskins' patchwork offensive line. During the season, Bugel made many adjustments in pass protection and run blocking that at times proved effective.

The Redskins used 11 offensive linemen this season and quarterback Jason Campbell was sacked 43 times - the third-highest total in the league. But despite the problems the unit endured, Bugel's coaching made a difference, players said.

"When you look at what coach Bugel did to simply some things and make some adjustments, it really helped the guys," quarterback Jason Campbell said. "We constantly had guys coming in and out, guys getting banged up, and you needed to do something to help the new guys coming in. Coach Bugel did that. If coach Bugel decides [to retire], you know he's definitely helped a lot of guys and he's been a great coach for a long, long time in this league."

A Boggian retrospective

It has been such a busy day that I have been remiss in linking to the fabulous content at D.C. Sports Bog. Among other things, Mike Shanahan is here to rescue you; the very best of the Faces of Zorn; the Dan Snyder Coaching Carousel and, oh, so very much more.

By Jason Reid  |  January 4, 2010; 6:44 PM ET
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Quick somebody hack into the flight reservation database and see if little Shanny is booked into Dulles.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Whew...lemme catch on all the posts...

1) Jim Zorn seemed nice but get him outta here....the "swinging gate" play was a complete embarrassment.

2) FINALLY...some football people in charge...I liked what I heard at Allen's presser today.

3) Who cares what Steve Largent thinks!

4) I've seen enough of Campbell...keep him a year then get your franchise QB ready...enough with all the excuses... This dude threw a Hail Mary outta bounds!

5) Allen sounds like he may keep alot of these guys

6) HELL NO! Don't bring back any assistants...Clean house!!!!

7) Snyder gets a clean slate from me and his new slate started today.

8) Find a way to get CJ Spiller!


Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Love ya' Buges!

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

What will Monday bring?

There's a typical Monday scheduled at Redskins Park: open locker room for the media at 11, followed by Zorn's presser at 12:25...

--REDSKIN INSIDER

...followed by ceremonial Tar and feathering at 12:40.

Posted by: TheCork | January 4, 2010 1:17 AM |

From ESPN: "Zorn left team headquarters with a security escort around 4:45 a.m. Monday without commenting, according to The Washington Post."

Thus ended the brief tenure of the Z bird. Very anticlimatic. No tar and feathering. And you left out the best part about being ridden out of town on a pole and that did not materialize either. Darn!

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Great job Buges he deserves to retire and go be with his family.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

PFT...

Belichick was asked about Casserly's report that Tom Brady was playing through three broken ribs.

"Who's been wrong more than Charley Casserly since he left the Redskins? His percentage is like a meteorologist," Belichick said.

"He has no relationship to this team. I'd say less than zero. Based on what? He's never at a practice, never at a game," Belichick said before getting into a discussion of sports media practices in general.

"At least he put his name on it which is more than a lot of guys. But, like he usually is, he was 100 percent wrong."

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I mean this the nicest way possible but lil Shany looks nothing like big shany. Kinda looks creepy. And he is a young kid 30 now. The one thing I will give him credit for looking at his career, he has made it as a coach with out directly working for his dad.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Bugel to the Ring of Fame!

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Bye Joe and thanks. :)

I wish they gave you the horses here but they didn't.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 4, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

BTW I guess what I am saying is, IF Kyle Shanahan comes with his Dad and they work out we may want to look at Kyle to replace Mike in about 5 years.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course he was because that makes so much sense, Snyder wanted him to fail for what reason you could never give me but great point.

How would zorn failing do Snyder any good, or make him anymore money since most people think thats all he's about.

OK let's go over this again.....

Zorn was hired as HC after no one else wuold take it. He was brought in and interviewed as a coordinator. Remember? Do I need to type in large print for you? He has a collection of malecontents as players and I believe he was hamstrung by DS especially as it relates to Clinton Portis. He was allowed to do as he pleases and that helped to undermine him too. The revenue lost by hiring Zorn is insignificant as long as the stupid masses keep buying his gawdy merchandise.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 4, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW I guess what I am saying is, IF Kyle Shanahan comes with his Dad and they work out we may want to look at Kyle to replace Mike in about 5 years.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:10 PM |

I was thinking the same thing the Texans have done well this year with him calling the plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's ink the Shanahanahans before worrying about ordering the cake for Buges' well-deserved party. Love Buges, but let's get this dealio done.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking the same thing the Texans have done well this year with him calling the plays.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

They have but I would not think a 30 year old is ready to be a head coach. The question I have is more about how much of what he is doing in Texas is him?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

You can print that nonsense as large as you want, it still won't have an ounce of business logic.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Bugues was great. Thanks for all theefforet and passion Buges.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

No offense to the fine folks in Buffalo, but lets face it. Buffalo with the Bills? or Washington with the Redskins. Its not really even close is it?

Oh wait... Oakland might have a job opening... in a week? LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ok, Oogalaboogala...

nice handle

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 4, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Wake up people!!

Joe Bugel has his best year coaching and yet the Skins give up 43 sacks - not to mention all the times Campbell was hit after he released the ball.

It's not Zorn and the coaching staff - It's Cerrato and Snyder, and their failure to get an OL.

NFL 101 - no OL >>> no offense.

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | January 4, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

They have but I would not think a 30 year old is ready to be a head coach. The question I have is more about how much of what he is doing in Texas is him?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:16 PM |

I was talking about after 5 years under his dad, he is not ready to be a head coach now.

I don;t know the dynamics in Houston so I don't know how much is him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait... Oakland might have a job opening... in a week? LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard Leach was getting the Oakland job.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Farewell to Buges a real class act.....he deserves ring of fame next year.....he was the original leader of the Hogs and gave this franchise 100% of himself every day.....he will be missed.....

Posted by: bricklacey | January 4, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

skins are gonna be relevant again - yeeeehaw!

Posted by: coparker5 | January 4, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Farewell to Buges a real class act.....he deserves ring of fame next year.....he was the original leader of the Hogs and gave this franchise 100% of himself every day.....he will be missed.....

Posted by: bricklacey


Careful class is discredited here by some.....right laserwizard?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 4, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's ink the Shanahanahans before worrying about ordering the cake for Buges' well-deserved party. Love Buges, but let's get this dealio done.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala

I agree first things first.

Posted by: Predator48 | January 4, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I never, EVER cared much for the Redskins off-season (or the NFL off-season for that matter), but after the circus that was the 2009 season, big firings and hirings, and the dismal play of a flaccid roster, I will be hounding every organizational move this team makes like a polar bear stalking a lost Eskimo on the tundra.

And thanks for your service Buges. I know you didn't exactly have the Hogs this time around, but you worked your magic and managed to somehow field an offensive line every week. I wish you had another 10 years in ya. Your enthusiasm and knowledge will be sorely missed.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 4, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait... Oakland might have a job opening... in a week? LOL

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I heard Leach was getting the Oakland job.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

That would be great for the sheer slow motion trainwreck comedic aspect of the situation.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

"We're picking number 4. That's ours. We earned it, and no one will give us doodly squat to take it off our hands."


We '..earned it..' a 4th draft spot?

A Top 5 draft NFL draft pick is a mark of shame in most cities.

Not D.C..

And that doesn't stand for "Dammit, Cerrato".

We gotta stop finding joy in high draft picks that cost money and uncertainity.

A regular top 15 draft pick usually means you suck.

And this is our second top 15 pick in two years.

But the good thing in this draft irony is we also have a high 2nd round pick as well--it's almost like a 1st rounder without the contract obligations.

So maybe there is a silver lining in all this whining.

I wonder....can you trade the high second rounder, move down, in that round, and pick up another pick in round 4 or 5 that becomes linemen depth?

We'll see.

If we can, now that might be something to celebrate.

If not, we can all shout, "F!ck D.C."

"Dammit Cerrato!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If I am Dan Snyder, I put a performance clause in Shany's contract. That way he will think twice before just hiring family and friends (verizon plan) and go for quality all around.

Team performs well--big money
Team sucks---little money

anything wrong with this line of thinking? can we put our money where our mouths are?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Dammit Cerrato!"

Posted by: MistaMoe
_______________

Why are we naming "he whom shall never be named"? He's a bug on the windshield, already wiped away.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

No love for Zorn here. Milk toast wuss. If you wanted to hire him to water your plants or to walk your dog, that might be where is he is uniquely qualified. Maybe caretaking an old person might also be another.

But as a head coach of a football team? You've got to be kidding. We've seen his type before - spineless and unmotivated men who inspire mediocrity and end up with less than that.

When he described himself as "medium" I know he wasn't fit to manage a team - to coach athletes - and wouldn't be able to lead by fear or by motivation.

I'm glad the cesspool of idiocy has left the building. Watching his press conferences inspired as much confidence in his abilities as watching the teleprompter Messiah stumble through issues of the economy and national security.

Glad you are gone, Zorn. Now go be medium on someone else's dime.

Posted by: laserwizard

P.J. O'rourke, Larry the cable guy, that fat dude who wanders around stage with a scotch on the rocks, every republican who posts up here, what's up with the humor? Why are you guys never funny? It's got to be more that just being tight assed and narrow minded.

Posted by: mack1 | January 4, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Slowik, Zimmer, or Gray??? This is the great unanswered question.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

If I am Dan Snyder, I put a performance clause in Shany's contract. That way he will think twice before just hiring family and friends (verizon plan) and go for quality all around.

Team performs well--big money
Team sucks---little money
anything wrong with this line of thinking? can we put our money where our mouths are?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:30 PM |

I agree to an extent but Shanny's son is a respected play caller around the league, he is not just getting the job because of his dad. Also if Zimmer is the DC he is very qualified.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think we need to dream about some fancy maneuvering (at least, fancy maneuvering that pays off for the Skins).

That 4th pick is high enough to get a replacement for Chris Samuels.

And that is what we need.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Slowik, Zimmer, or Gray??? This is the great unanswered question.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:35 PM |

Zimmer I don't want the other two.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I don't think we need to dream about some fancy maneuvering (at least, fancy maneuvering that pays off for the Skins).

That 4th pick is high enough to get a replacement for Chris Samuels.

And that is what we need.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse


We need some fancy maneuvering to get a replacement for Chris Samuels plus a second and a fourth to get a speedy game changing back and a SAM backer, too.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

How about Russ Grim? Russ Grim anyone?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 4, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"...skins are gonna be relevant again - yeeeehaw!"

I'd hold off on the celebratory ejaculations, sir.

Premature happiness often results in long term displeasure.

Especailly if you used your last $200 bucks to pay for it in a champaigne room.

Rememba when St Joe came back?: I bet you jumped for joy, then crashed back to your launch pad once he decided to return to watching car races.

Relax. Chill. Smoke something to relax.

It'll be the summer before Shanny is on the sidelines calling plays and tanning right before our very eyes.

I got some ironic advice for everyone excited at the thought of Mike Shanahan taking over tomorrow:

"Stay Medium."

I think we've all had a lot of practice with that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Kings of the offseason and masters of re-make!!!!

Just like Norv Turner, who was blamed for being too soft, Zorn will flourish in a team near you, very soon.

I am not being negative on Shanahan, don't know much about him. but I would have kept Zorn and given him the needed pieces before making a "business" decision to rebuild.

Rebuilding with Shanahan and Allen will keep Fedex field packed for another couple of years and sell more caps and jersey's until the next rebuild.

I think Snyder is a genius in making money. He is going to make money with Redskins going 40-120 over the next 10 years. He will just fool our impatient and gullible fan base on schedule!!!!

Yeah, fire Zorn, he was the cause of misery!!!!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Slowik, Zimmer, or Gray??? This is the great unanswered question.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:35 PM

----------------------

Doesn't Shanahan have any other offspring, cousin or neighbor who could coach our defense?

His wife?

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Have the "sell more merchandise by repeatedly rebuilding to fool the fanbase" theorists ever considered that rebuilding year merchandise sales will be DWARFED by the merchandise sales resulting from a team that annually competes for Division Championships while making a deep playoff run and a Superbowl appearance once out of every 3 years on avg?

If not, you should. Then you might not reveal your inability to logically consider what is going on in the world by continuing to post that dumb azz theory.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's a red flag when a coach hires his son to a position as high as an OC. At the very least it should count against his salary.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 4, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The times are a changing! Happy new year to all! Here`s to you Mr. Joe Bugel! I hope you have a great retirement life! I wish you the best Mr. Jim Zorn and thanks for trying! BTW F-Dallas!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | January 4, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it's a red flag when a coach hires his son to a position as high as an OC. At the very least it should count against his salary.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 4, 2010 7:51 PM |

Even if his son is already an OC with a top ten offense.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel should be honored by having his name added to the Ring Of Honor at FEDEX
Field!!

Posted by: rrlyon131 | January 4, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

His wife?

Posted by: Peaceful2009
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I don't know... Is his wife more attack-oriented or read-and-react? Shanny looks too relaxed for her to be attack oriented.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:43 PM

I've read your posts and I respect your opinion, however I've disagreed with everything you've written.

Please tell what your plan would have been following a 4-12 season..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Kyle shanahan was promoted to OC for the Houston Texans on Jan. 11 2008 after there current OC took the head coaching job at Texas A&M.

In the two years he has been OC the Texans were 3rd in total offense in 2008 and were 4th in offense in 2009.

Sounds like he has earned any position he gets.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

don't know... Is his wife more attack-oriented or read-and-react? Shanny looks too relaxed for her to be attack oriented.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of read and react. I want an attack based D.

Get Elin, ASAP

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, its 8:00 pm. Wonder if the boys sent out for Papa John's.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

It looks like we're gonna get Coach MurdaFace...He looks like the type of guy you don't want to meet on a rural road.
I just hope he 'kills' the NFC East!

Posted by: priceisright | January 4, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Also in 2008 Shanny had the number 2 total offense with Jay Cutler.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

2nd that Kaneohe. Time to change to the "disrupt & destroy" D.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 4, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Diesel,

I suffered watchin a 4-12 season as much as the next dude. I pray and hope for Shanahan and his success.

I am just sayin that blaming Zorn for the season misses the point by a large margin.

Poor personnel decison and team management are at the core of the problem. We saw glimpses of a good team at times this season. Zorn was a gonner, granted. but let's not start making Superbowl travel arrangement just because we made a coaching change!

Me? I would have kept Zorn and hired a decent offensive coordinator and continued to rebuild through the draft. You can see why i am not quiting my day job!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel should be honored by having his name added to the Ring Of Honor at FEDEX
Field!!

Posted by: rrlyon131 | January 4, 2010 7:53 PM |


I second that!

All in favor...

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Elin would have romo, elisha, and mcdaddy wrecking their sport rides.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like he has earned any position he gets.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:59 PM
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WalterFootball has a couple Texans fans who were pretty bummed to hear that the Skins were getting young Shenanigans.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

His wife?

Posted by: Peaceful2009
______________

I don't know... Is his wife more attack-oriented or read-and-react? Shanny looks too relaxed for her to be attack oriented.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala

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If she is anything like my wife, it would be:

Attack, read, attack some more and then react!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Kyle shanahan was promoted to OC for the Houston Texans on Jan. 11 2008 after there current OC took the head coaching job at Texas A&M.

In the two years he has been OC the Texans were 3rd in total offense in 2008 and were 4th in offense in 2009.

Sounds like he has earned any position he gets.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 7:59 PM

Of course, HC Gary Kubiak is an offensive coach. But then, so is MS.

MS hasn't won without Elway, some point out. He also hasn't won without Kubiak.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Flounder21,

Again, I only know what is reported about Kyle Shanahan. It just sounds a bit fishy for a head coach to promptly bring his son on board. It is not a crime and it happens in business all the time. It just raises a tiny red flag for me, that is all. If I am going to be a head coach in a hostile troubled new place, I would keep my family out of it! Unless the family member is by far the most qualified candidate that could be considered.

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

In comparison the Redskins havn't had a top 10 offense since the 99 season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

An organizational culture change was needed starting from the owner down. Firing Vinny and Zorn while admitting his part in the problem is a great start for Danny. The dumb and dumber signs and the chants of "sell the team" must have gotten through loudly and clearly.

Hiring BA and Shanahan to RUN THE FOOTBALL SHOW is the proof in the pudding.

Did you watch BA today? He is a football professional in every sense of he word.

Will it result in a 5th Lombardi trophy? No idea.

Will it drastically improve the chance of a SB appearance and instantly stop the digging and begin the filling in of the hole? Absolutely.

Say what you will about Zorn never having a chance for success, its all true. BUT, the guy does not have the chops to be an elite or even mediocre HC in the NFL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, its 8:00 pm. Wonder if the boys sent out for Papa John's.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:02 PM |


You mean Papa Johnny Rocket's?

Posted by: League-Source | January 4, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please, not Gray. Not only could he not coach up his players - lack of tackling, inability to cover, and stone hands - but he proved to be in the mold of Dysfunctional Danny by interviewing behind his coach's back and then looking into the camera and lying about it?

That man lost all my respect when he shoved the knife in Zorn's back. And, since I am on a conspiracy path, don't you think it possible Blache was undermining Zorn the whole time by failing to put in place even a half decent defensive scheme?

They need to clean house, from players to coaches to front and back office personnel. Only then will I believe things in Dannyboy's Dysfunctional Dynasty have changed!

Posted by: dmr0834 | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Moreover, that is why you need a strong GM plus a strong coach to balance the power structure.......

tiny red flag.....

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel should be honored by having his name added to the Ring Of Honor at FEDEX
Field!!

Posted by: rrlyon131 | January 4, 2010 7:53 PM |

I second that!
All in favor...

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 8:06 PM

Same with Clinton Portis, even though maybe we don't love him as much as we used to. Chris Samuels is another candidate.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Of course, HC Gary Kubiak is an offensive coach. But then, so is MS.

MS hasn't won without Elway, some point out. He also hasn't won without Kubiak.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:15 PM |

What did Elway win without Shanny nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

omg shut up flounder, you're a tool.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 4, 2010 6:28 PM |

You people are crying for a millionare when thousands of americans can't afford there house and I'm the tool please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

No, you are a tool because you are just like every other redskins fan, can't wait till the offseason. 8-8 forever. Just for Flounder21, you tool.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 4, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

omg shut up flounder, you're a tool.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 4, 2010 6:28 PM |

You people are crying for a millionare when thousands of americans can't afford there house and I'm the tool please.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

No, you are a tool because you are just like every other redskins fan, can't wait till the offseason. 8-8 forever. Just for Flounder21, you tool.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 4, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

They need to clean house, from players to coaches to front and back office personnel. Only then will I believe things in Dannyboy's Dysfunctional Dynasty have changed!

Posted by: dmr0834 | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM

Can we at least keep Olivadotti?

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

peace,

Show me what you read about Kyle shanahan not neing a good OC, the only team in the league who has had a better offense over the last two years then the Texans has been the Saints. There OC is the head coach please tell me who is a better option.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"I am just sayin that blaming Zorn for the season misses the point by a large margin.

Poor personnel decison and team management are at the core of the problem. We saw glimpses of a good team at times this season. Zorn was a gonner, granted. but let's not start making Superbowl travel arrangement just because we made a coaching change!"

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:05 PM

I agree with those two paragraphs. I would add that the same poor personnel and team management decisions included the hiring of Zorn and Blache. This was a just firing...Great guy but a terrible coach.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

What did Elway win without Shanny nothing.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM

I agree. I am actually excited about Shanny coming here. Danny did better bringing in known talents Marty and Gibbs than with flavor of the month coaches Spurrier and Zorn.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

No, you are a tool because you are just like every other redskins fan, can't wait till the offseason. 8-8 forever. Just for Flounder21, you tool.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 4, 2010 8:20 PM |

Whatever b_ch are you a Skins fan if not your blogging on another teams site that equals big time tool.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Can we at least keep Olivadotti?

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse


Well, if he is a black Olivadotti, he may help meet some of the Rooney Rule requirements.

*ba dum bum


Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Hiring BA and Shanahan to RUN THE FOOTBALL SHOW is the proof in the pudding.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:17 PM |

It is proof of nothing yet. This a hole Danny has only proven that he is adept at snowing people. I'll wait and see. Having said that, it does SEEM to be a step in the right direction. Just don't get too excited yet. Hasn't a decade of getting squawed in the baggels convinced you that he can't be trusted yet?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Texans line up offensive coordinator candiates
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 4, 2010 8:01 PM ET
With Texans offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan expected to join his father in Washington, Gary Kubiak has started to look for a replacement.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports there are four candidates: Titans offensive line coach Mike Munchak, Broncos offensive line coach Rick Dennison, Falcons quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave and former Chiefs offensive coordinator Chan Gailey.

Kubiak is an offensive-minded coach, so losing Shanahan shouldn't be devastating. He even had some fun wondering what the Shanahan duo will be like together.


"That's [working with his father] something Kyle's always wanted. Kyle's done an outstanding job for us . . . He's going to be a head coach in this league someday. Now he and his dad get to do battle. I'd love to be a fly on the wall."


"The Shanahans" sounds like a sitcom pilot: A father-son duo team up to revive a once-storied franchise down on its luck. You've got the meddlesome owner, the wacky running back and tight end, and some guy named Vinny who keeps stopping over. Now if only I knew some writers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hiring BA and Shanahan to RUN THE FOOTBALL SHOW is the proof in the pudding.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:17 PM |

It is proof of nothing yet. This a hole Danny has only proven that he is adept at snowing people. I'll wait and see. Having said that, it does SEEM to be a step in the right direction. Just don't get too excited yet. Hasn't a decade of getting squawed in the baggels convinced you that he can't be trusted yet?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I should have used the future tense. "Will be" the proof in the pudding. Lets just say I'm cautiously optimistic. Probably more optimistic and less cautious than some.

I think Danny finally gets it, and he is trying. But, I can't blame anybody for being skeptical and reluctant to buy in to the hype.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. What in the hell does the retirement of Bugel have to do with a press conference for Shanahan? He's leaving, no matter what. Have it the same day, have it before or after, have it at the same time as announcing for Shanahan.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. What in the hell does the retirement of Bugel have to do with a press conference for Shanahan? He's leaving, no matter what. Have it the same day, have it before or after, have it at the same time as announcing for Shanahan.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This goes to the "Danny getting it" point. You let Bugel retire on HIS TERMS before Shanahan is announced. If its after, its an after thought, and it looks like Bugel is getting kicked to the curb by the new regime. Which is true, but at least if you let him go first, it gives him a day to walk off into the sunset. He deserves it. Just like Jansen deserved the chance to retire a Redskin; he chose to play another year or two in Detroit and got the last laugh in week three.

Besides, the Little Shanny noise coming out of Houston pretty much tells the tale of this done deal. John Lynch did everything but announce Shanny was the new coach yesterday on Fox. Only way this doesn't get done is if Danny tries to lowball Shanny, or Shanny tries to ask for 15 mil per. Neither is gonna happen.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

should have used the future tense. "Will be" the proof in the pudding. Lets just say I'm cautiously optimistic. Probably more optimistic and less cautious than some.

I think Danny finally gets it, and he is trying. But, I can't blame anybody for being skeptical and reluctant to buy in to the hype.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:33 PM

I used to be optimistic too but Danny has stolen that. I do hope you are right though...

So, this may be a dumb question but here goes: I know Mike Shanamahanahman ran a run heavy version of the WCO. Does his son run the same offense? I don't watch many Texans games. Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Amazing that Joe Bugel was Boss Hog the same year Jason Campbell was born. A tribute to Bugel and his long coaching tenure. Best of luck to him if he retires. He was one of the best coaches ever in the NFL.

Posted by: bfjam | January 4, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:44 PM

ding ding...

All of this is correct. I also look forward to seeing Buges inducted into the ring of honor.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"In comparison the Redskins havn't had a top 10 offense since the 99 season"

1999
Passing
Compl. 324 Attempts 537 Yards 3926 Tds. 26 INT. 14

Rushing
Atts. 463 Yards 2039 TDS. 23 AVG 4.4


versus

2009
Passing
Atts. 533 Yards 3490 Tds. 21 INT 16

Rushing
Atts. 391 Yards 1508 Tds. 8 Avg. 3.9


The biggest difference?

In 1999, Stephan Davis/Brad Johnson/Larry Centers/Micheal Westbrook/Albert Connel.

In 2009, 44 sacks, no healthy Portis/poor play calling/developing receivers playing with smallish aging receivers.

Let's see what 2010 brings.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

We '..earned it..' a 4th draft spot?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 4, 2010 7:30 PM |

We lucked into it. If KC, Clev and Oak had not had surprising winning spurts at the end we could be picking 7th instead of 4th, a big diff in the 1st round. Actually even TB came into play at the end. Had they won their last game against Atl they would be tied at 4-12 with the Skins and, depending on their SOS, the Skins could have actually ended up picking 3!

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

The Texans run an offense featuring an accurate passer hitting two good (one great) wideouts, an above avg tightend, with a backfield by committee of Slaton and another bigger bruiser type. The Texans seemed to run a bit of a WCO with a more of a down the field passing game than the base WCO goes down the field. It plays very well to their roster's strengths.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Who could have coached QBs, acted as Offensive Coordinator and been Head Coach and had things turn out much better?

That's really too much to ask of one person. Besides Vinny and Danny, who would have allowed someone to take on that much?

Blame Zorn for over-reaching. Blame Vinny for letting him do it.

But I don't blame Danny for holding them both accountable that's what he should do.

To say that Zorn is a bad coach is too simplistic. He was in over his head when he was hired. And it was clearly an interim move on the part of management.

With BA on-board, we have reason to be cautiously optimistic.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 4, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

By the way

Thank you Joe Bugel for everything that you have done for this franchise. You are a true Redskin and should be honored as such. May retirement treat you well. Never has one person done so much with so little (at least the second time around.)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Also in 2008 Shanny had the number 2 total offense with Jay Cutler.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse
You're wasting your time pointing out valid facts to some of these folks. So what daddy Shanahan wants to bring his son in to run the offense? Little Shanny has been great as the Texans OC for the last 2 yrs so who cares if that's his son? He's already proved himself and can step in and take over when daddy retires. What's the big deal? How's that a red flag?? I love it how people are constantly complaining about Shanny and the GM being another trick by Snyder but they never offer up any alternatives. I asked one poster who they would of wanted as HC and never received a response. The fact that Snyder even hired a reputable GM is a big step in the right direction, so quit whining like some spoiled sissies. Good grief!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. What in the hell does the retirement of Bugel have to do with a press conference for Shanahan? He's leaving, no matter what. Have it the same day, have it before or after, have it at the same time as announcing for Shanahan.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 8:36 PM |

It's J Reid's post. Need we say any more?

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Kan

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

it sounds to me that lil'shany adapted what the offense dud to the players. also SkinsfaninKaneohe nailed the Bugel thing

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

ummmm anyone know Shanahan's record against the NFC East? Not too good.
Kyle Shanahan maybe the better signing of the two.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I asked one poster who they would of wanted as HC and never received a response. The fact that Snyder even hired a reputable GM is a big step in the right direction, so quit whining like some spoiled sissies. Good grief!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:53 PM |

Of course you didn't get a response. A lot of posters just put crap up here so they can see themselves in print. Rarely do they actually read anything.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

ummmm anyone know Shanahan's record against the NFC East? Not too good.
Kyle Shanahan maybe the better signing of the two.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM

Someone earlier posted he was 8-5. Not sure if that is correct but it ain't too bad. Not great but not too bad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Same with Clinton Portis, even though maybe we don't love him as much as we used to. Chris Samuels is another candidate.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM

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Portis? Hell no. What did we ever win with him? Great RB for a few seasons, but not Ring O Fame material in my book.

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

ummmm anyone know Shanahan's record against the NFC East? Not too good.
Kyle Shanahan maybe the better signing of the two.
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

someone posted earlier that its 9-6

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

asked one poster who they would of wanted as HC and never received a response. The fact that Snyder even hired a reputable GM is a big step in the right direction, so quit whining like some spoiled sissies. Good grief!

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:53 PM |

Oh, and I believe you asked me at one point and I said I would rather have Gruden or Holmgren because the learning curve for the existing players wouldn't be as steep but I am okay with this move. Hope Danny keeps his nose out of it. I'm actually pretty psyched about the possibilities just wary of the Danny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Same with Clinton Portis, even though maybe we don't love him as much as we used to. Chris Samuels is another candidate.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM

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Portis? Hell no. What did we ever win with him? Great RB for a few seasons, but not Ring O Fame material in my book.


Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 9:01 PM |

We never won anything with Samuels either. Does that mean he should be tossed aside as well?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

So what daddy Shanahan wants to bring his son in to run the offense? Little Shanny has been great as the Texans OC for the last 2 yrs so who cares if that's his son?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 8:53 PM |

If it weren't for the fact that Schot had been fired previous by Danny we could be feasting on dueling pa/son, HC/OC duo scenarios. Schot doesn't have a SB win but he left his previous pos of employ smelling sweeter than Shanny. And Schot's son Brain doesn't have the high oct O that Shanny's son Kyle does but Brain did manage to get the Jets O into the playoffs with Dirty San as his QB.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Samuels after Jim Lachey. Day one starter. Ten years in the trenches. Perennial pro bowler. TEAM GUY to the bitter end. Yeah, I think Samuels is ring material.

Now, let the debates RAGE!

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

If it weren't for the fact that Schot had been fired previous by Danny we could be feasting on dueling pa/son, HC/OC duo scenarios. Schot doesn't have a SB win but he left his previous pos of employ smelling sweeter than Shanny. And Schot's son Brain doesn't have the high oct O that Shanny's son Kyle does but Brain did manage to get the Jets O into the playoffs with Dirty San as his QB.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Goes to show how many guys in the NFL are legacy types. Don't forget that Super Coach up in NE is a son of former HC.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Hope Danny keeps his nose out of it. I'm actually pretty psyched about the possibilities just wary of the Danny.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse
I think BA and Shanahan have alot more backbone then Cerrato did, and would put Danny in his place if need be.

Danny = the pretty spoiled girl in college that always got her way, but after ten yrs and still unmarried, she's been humbled and willing to keep her mouth shut and go along with what her fella wants to get that ring.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

thanks... campbell1975.. ref NFC record..

Mark Schlereth taking Buges place?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

ummmm anyone know Shanahan's record against the NFC East? Not too good.
Kyle Shanahan maybe the better signing of the two.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 8:58 PM

Someone earlier posted he was 8-5. Not sure if that is correct but it ain't too bad. Not great but not too bad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:00 PM

8-5 or 9-5 sounds a lot better than 0-6.

People need to embrace this, this is good.

And if you don't like it...Here is Bobby Knight’s infamous quote. "If rape were inevitable, why not lay back and enjoy it."

****I don't condone any act and believe that individuals guilty of such should have the favor returned to them before they die of lethal injection (pun intended) ****

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Peaceful your lack of football knowledge is astounding by the way Shanny Jr. Unlike your idol Zorn has been a successful OC in this league

Posted by: BenchCampbell | January 4, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

thanks... campbell1975.. ref NFC record..

Mark Schlereth taking Buges place?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:14 PM |

Just regurgitation my man, but anytime. Schlereth huh? Interesting thought.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

oh.. the cheatah??
Belichick hasnt done much since the opposing Defensive captains got headsets to their Defensive Coordinators negating the Pats ability to steal signals.. Hasnt been the same Brady, since.
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Goes to show how many guys in the NFL are legacy types. Don't forget that Super Coach up in NE is a son of former HC.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:12 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

to mack1:

2009 snyder/cerrato is like the current ruling junta in DC.

2010 snyder came to senses and hired a "REAL" GM and HC. 2010 will be when the country gets rid of part of the problem in DC.

2012 will be when "REDSKINS FOOTBALL" will mean something again. 2012 will also be when the country gets back to its senses and makes meaningful "CHANGE" and gets rid of the "little napolean" and all his marxists.

GO REDSKINS

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I think BA and Shanahan have alot more backbone then Cerrato did, and would put Danny in his place if need be.

Danny = the pretty spoiled girl in college that always got her way, but after ten yrs and still unmarried, she's been humbled and willing to keep her mouth shut and go along with what her fella wants to get that ring.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 9:13 PM

Great analogy. Except you left out the part about the spoiled girl laying down for the next dude to walk by and then again, and again...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bugel, Hail, Hail !!!!

Thanks for a great job, well done. You will be missed. The ring of fame is a great idea.

Posted by: m_p_holmes | January 4, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

2009 snyder/cerrato is like the current ruling junta in DC.

2010 snyder came to senses and hired a "REAL" GM and HC. 2010 will be when the country gets rid of part of the problem in DC.

2012 will be when "REDSKINS FOOTBALL" will mean something again. 2012 will also be when the country gets back to its senses and makes meaningful "CHANGE" and gets rid of the "little napolean" and all his marxists.

GO REDSKINS

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:18 PM |

I hope you are right on all counts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. What in the hell does the retirement of Bugel have to do with a press conference for Shanahan? He's leaving, no matter what. Have it the same day, have it before or after, have it at the same time as announcing for Shanahan.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This goes to the "Danny getting it" point. You let Bugel retire on HIS TERMS before Shanahan is announced. If its after, its an after thought, and it looks like Bugel is getting kicked to the curb by the new regime. Which is true, but at least if you let him go first, it gives him a day to walk off into the sunset. He deserves it. Just like Jansen deserved the chance to retire a Redskin; he chose to play another year or two in Detroit and got the last laugh in week three.

Besides, the Little Shanny noise coming out of Houston pretty much tells the tale of this done deal. John Lynch did everything but announce Shanny was the new coach yesterday on Fox. Only way this doesn't get done is if Danny tries to lowball Shanny, or Shanny tries to ask for 15 mil per. Neither is gonna happen.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 4, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

This is completely correct. It's about giving respect to a guy very committed to the organization for a very long time.

Shanahan might do well to retain the guy in some kind of capacity and then they could do the graceful, retire with dignity event. I would strongly, strongly recommend that.

Posted by: dsda3731 | January 4, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

ah..but, which one is playing Mary Anne and which one is Ginger and who will become Danny's new racquetball playing partner??
Bruce Allen or Mike Shanahan..?? Or, Kyle?? ummm
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I think BA and Shanahan have alot more backbone then Cerrato did, and would put Danny in his place if need be.

Danny = the pretty spoiled girl in college that always got her way, but after ten yrs and still unmarried, she's been humbled and willing to keep her mouth shut and go along with what her fella wants to get that ring.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 4, 2010 9:13 PM

Great analogy. Except you left out the part about the spoiled girl laying down for the next dude to walk by and then again, and again...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:19 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, HC Gary Kubiak is an offensive coach. But then, so is MS.

MS hasn't won without Elway, some point out. He also hasn't won without Kubiak.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse


No did Elway ever win without Shanny. And Kubiak has yet to win without Shanny either.

Posted by: p1funk | January 4, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

If I were to give GM Allen my evaluation of Jason Campbell, here is what I would tell him:

What you saw in the season's final game against the Chargers is pretty much what you will get from Jason Campbell.

Quite frankly, the numbers of Jason Campbell's 4 year career in DC are deceiving. If you are to look at the last game of the 2009 season for example, JC was 28/42 for 281 yards, 2 TDs and a passer rating of 101.4 What the stats won't tell you however is that Washington was playing the Chargers' mostly 2nd stringers on Defense, that JC threw quite a few passes well above open receivers' head, and like RickyRoge nicely pointed out above "this dude threw a Hail Mary outta bounds" in the end of the game, which is something JC is known to have done in a few games in his career so far.

I would like to use the NFL official stats to compare Jason Campbell's 1st 4 years in the league to that of Donovan Mcnabb's.

After 4 years in the league, or exactly 54 games, Donovan Mcnabb had a completion percentage of 55%, attempted about 30.125 passes per game, had an average of 5.8 yards per passes completed, averaged about 180.075 yards per game, average 17.75 TDs per season versus 9.5 INTs, was sacked an average of 35 times per season, and average a 77.05 rating for those 4 years. The top leading receivers in Philly during that time frame were Torrance Small in '99 with 49 rec for 655 yards, Chad Lewis with 69 rec for 745 yards in '00, our dear friend James Thrash with 63 rec for 833 in '01, and Todd Pinkston with 60 rec and 798 yards.

In Donovan's career he never really had any Prow Bowl NFL caliber receivers until Terrell Owen in '04 and '05 (Donovan's best year was in '04 with 31 TDs), and Desean Jackson this year, and yet in his first 4 years in the league and most certainly throughout his 11 year career, his TD to INT ratio are an impressive 2 to 1 with an average of 19.63 TD to 9.09 INT so far in his career.

The statistics for Jason Campbell's 4 years in the league so far (52 games) when compared to McNabb 1st 4 years in the league are as followed: 61.2 passing percentage (better than McNabb), 31.5 passing attempts per game, an average of 6.6 yards per pass (better than McNabb), 208.8 average passing yards per game (better than McNabb), 13.75 average TD per season versus 9.5 INT per season (not only worse than McNabb but these are backup-QB ratios in terms of TD to INT), sacked an average of 27.25 per season (believe it or not, JC has been sacked less than McNabb), and a passer rating of 82.3 (better than McNabb).

Posted by: JeanJak | January 4, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Now, when you look at those stats, the determining factor between a Prow Bowler and future Hall of Famer vs an average QB is the amount of points Donovan can get your team with lesser or equal talents at wide receivers, and quite frankly there is no comparison.

Donovan McNabb in his 11 year career is averaging 19.63 TD vs only 9.09 INT which is about 5 less TDs per season that you get from JC. In short, JC has failed miserably where it counts the most and is a big reason as to why the Skins' scoring average on Offense has been pretty low these last fours years with JC as QB. Donovan McNabb by himself can not only get you a win but points, while JC's coaches have been asking him not to lose games for the Redskins, which is what you would normally ask of your backup QB.

With those kind of numbers, it is my opinion the Redskins can get a slightly older veteran QB who can post similar stats as JC to come in until we draft a franchise QB this year or next.

If we can get a middle draft pick or a late round draft pick for JC to rebuild the O-Line we should definitely do it. Otherwise, keep JC for one more season, draft our franchise QB this year if any of these young prospects fit that mold to learn the ropes while JC suffers behind an O-Line still in need of a few pieces to be complete after we draft a couple to start the rebuilding of the O-Line. Or keep JC and use most if not all of our draft picks to completely re-do the O-Line this year, and then release JC in 2011 after we draft our franchise QB who will by then play being a solid O-Line.

No matter which way you look at it, JC is not the long term answer for the Redskins in my opinion.

Posted by: JeanJak | January 4, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels is done as a player, what about him looking to come in as something low rung like QC and help with the o-line coaching?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

its the same PR dept in Ashburn that got grilled for suing Grannys...They dont want to get grilled for firing a Granny (Granpa). What the hell give it a day for Buges to get a well deserved Thank You for coaching bargain basement priced walk-ons and casts-offs while Danny and Vinny paid Millions to worthless two-play free agents that they hoped would sell tickets and jerseys..
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I don't get it. What in the hell does the retirement of Bugel have to do with a press conference for Shanahan? He's leaving, no matter what. Have it the same day, have it before or after, have it at the same time as announcing for Shanahan.

Posted by: getitritegov | January 4, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the rec, the Joe Gibbs 1.0 hire has to rank as 1 of the all time best. The dude won a SB in his 2 yr for Chrisssakes. Bel stumbled around like a drunken sailor before winning his 1st of 3. How many yrs did it take Cow? Similar Shanny? It took Noll 5 yrs to win his 1st of 4. The only dude that I can think of that had comp success was Wal with the 49s. Mega props to the Beat guy.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If Samuels is done as a player, what about him looking to come in as something low rung like QC and help with the o-line coaching?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:28 PM

Why do you think he'd want to do that? There's not that many players who (a) aspire or (b) are competent to be coaches. I really doubt that QC coach pays enough to interest Samuels.

Posted by: League-Source | January 4, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Lemme tell you somethin'.
Evryone one of youse wants to pin the **tiny** bit of success the 'skins O-fense had on the bingo caller. BS! For me it was all Bugel. That one half-time when he went into the lockerroom and called out the 2nd stringers. They come out and kicked some a**. Maybe there was a contribution from the booth to the game, but the truth is there were too many variables to draw any kind of serious conclusion. It hadda be Bugel. He is one tough sumbich.

Posted by: MrChili | January 4, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

i thought i heard that CS had a desire to coach when he stopped playing. Some of the players on the league have said that before, I know Smoot said he wants to coach.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

better that a Hail Mary goes out of bounds at the 40 yard line (it was WAY out of bounds..10+ yards) ..then to screw up your QB Rating with an Interception... makes sense to me. The better his Restricted Free Agent Offer in the offseason the better the Skins compensation. Thus you'll see ALOT of savvy praise from Allen about CAmpbell..

Zorn almost stepped out of the company line last night when asked about Campbell's development..but he quickly sidestepped it with a small damned with faint praise comment after remembering his Buy Out Contract restrictions (gag rule).
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, that JC threw quite a few passes well above open receivers' head, and like RickyRoge nicely pointed out above "this dude threw a Hail Mary outta bounds" in the end of the game, which is something JC is known to have done in a few games in his career so far.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Me? I would have kept Zorn and hired a decent offensive coordinator and continued to rebuild through the draft. You can see why i am not quiting my day job!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse
The problem is that JZ wanted to be HC and OC. He was too stubborn to use younger players until forced to. Good guy, but in over his head. Could generate a pretty good game plan, but could not make adjustments during the game. He was a stretch at OC, but way out of his league at HC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 4, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Answer: Zorn in Cleveland..
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Question:
Who is the richest QB Coach in the NFL?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

JC nice guy but back-up QB quality. Put him out there and see what can get. 3/4 ok and get O-line rookie.

CP clubhouse prima donna. Put him out there and see. 3/4 ok and get another O-line rookie.

with 2 OC types maybe try 2 TE formation with 2 tall rcvrs in red zone. bet it would work.

servicable RB's on team already.

put LL as SS and see if he can be taught, if not trade and get 3/4.

BUGES/SAMUELS to wall great idea.

GO SKINS. still a believer but skeptical. will watch season with jaundiced eye. play calling has to be 100% upgrade from this entire season both offense and defense.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's why you don't sign Campbell:

Yes, the O-line was absolutely abyssmal, but if you watched Campbell closely, he does not consistently display the tools you need to get to the next level. His release is slow, his reads are slow, he does not step up in the pocket and has grown increasingly inaccurate.

I am not in the camp that thinks that a rookie QB could not do better. You miss the point. Jason Campbell is that 78' Buick...sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesn't...he's the guy we know.

Trust me people, Jason Campbell is not gonna take you to the Super Bowl. Stop with the Rypien, Dilfer, Williams comparisons. He has yet to lead us on a game winning drive in his 5 full seasons.

Mark Sanchez is an interception machine, but at least he has passion.

Bottom line...Campbell needs the stars to align to be successful.

Let him go...

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

i thought i heard that CS had a desire to coach when he stopped playing. Some of the players on the league have said that before, I know Smoot said he wants to coach.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:41 PM |

Smoot said he wanted to bowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Someone posted earlier that if Suh is there at #4 (which he won't), you trade down for more picks...


You are stark raving mad! If Suh is there at #4, you take that dude....

BEAST!!!

Our D-line would be setfor years.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Answer: Zorn in Cleveland..
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Question:
Who is the richest QB Coach in the NFL?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:47 PM |

Sny ain't gonna pay the Cleve QBC's sal. If Z shows up there he can kiss his Sny $$$ a sweet goodbye.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

How do you copy a post to add a post to it.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh thank God Bugel is leaving, this is the best news of the offseason. He WAS a great coach during Gibbs 1.0 but not now. His lines can't block smaller,faster D-linemen in this league. He relies on veteran lines that end up getting hurt and undrafted rookies who can't block. He hasn't coached them up. The Skins offense has struggled since his being here, plus they haven't drafted any lineman b/c buges hasn't endorsed it. If he's such a legendary coach here, vinny or danny would listen to him if he asked to get lineman drafted. Thanks for the memories from the 80s, but thanks for leaving, now we can start playing present day football.

Posted by: ysc1109 | January 4, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope you never become a success and then become un-hirable.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's terrible. You just sit around all day blogging. Mind goes to mush.

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Dload..
He was fired.. His 3 year contract says he gets paid the full 3 year balance if fired..
Thats why Danny wanted to humiliate him into resigning in the midseason by taking away his Offensive duties.... So, the Skins would not have to pay another 2.5 Mil to Zorn in 2010.

Vinny couldnt talk him into quiting.. So, Vinny was fired too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 4, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge. couldn't agree more. that is basically what i said last spring with talk about getting cutler. spoiled brat but at least he kept you on the edge of the seat trying to win no matter what. Da bears have almost same O-line we have and possibly worse rcvrs but at least he scored some points. we also have much better overall defense. if they address some of their offensive line concerns i think they will compete in that div.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

ysc1109. lets see line coach is responsible for the players he gets, do you work in the white house or just smoking smack.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

How do you copy a post to add a post to it.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM |

Highlight desired item, right click and select copy. Then go to posting section and right click then paste.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

How do you copy a post to add a post to it.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM |

Highlight desired item, right click and select copy. Then go to posting section and right click then paste.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 10:07 PM

Thank you very much. you are a gentleman and a scholar.

P.S. i like most of your posts also.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

to mack1:

2009 snyder/cerrato is like the current ruling junta in DC.

2010 snyder came to senses and hired a "REAL" GM and HC. 2010 will be when the country gets rid of part of the problem in DC.

2012 will be when "REDSKINS FOOTBALL" will mean something again. 2012 will also be when the country gets back to its senses and makes meaningful "CHANGE" and gets rid of the "little napolean" and all his marxists.

GO REDSKINS

Posted by: HPYTRKR1


Don't even bother. That mosquito only bites a few times a day. You'll be lucky if you get a response; I'll be lucky if I don't.

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 10:07 PM

Thank you very much. you are a gentleman and a scholar.

P.S. i like most of your posts also.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 10:10 PM |

You don't know me very well but thank you anyway...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Son will be the deciders in the words of "W" the president.In fact I hear it was Shanahan who chose BA to be his GM.Snyder offered the job to Shanahan last offseason and declined in order to give Zorn a chance to succeed.Classy move in my opinion.

Posted by: mark65 | January 4, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope you never become a success and then become un-hirable.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's terrible. You just sit around all day blogging. Mind goes to mush.


Posted by: glawrence007 | January 4, 2010 9:59 PM

Yeee haw...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 4, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse


Don't even bother. That mosquito only bites a few times a day. You'll be lucky if you get a response; I'll be lucky if I don't.

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Its an off election year, even I wasn't biting on that s***

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

So Buges could keep the opposing DEF out of the Skins backfield, but he can find a way to keep Shanahan off the podium. Get lost Buges. Oh and thanks for all you have done especially with Gibbs one. But now GTF out of the way.l

Posted by: robjway1 | January 4, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Its an off election year, even I wasn't biting on that s***

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 10:14 PM


`
*chuckle*

I wasn't talking about the political stuff...right mack1?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Not many folks can say that they were ever the best in the world at what they did. Bugel can.

Posted by: deMille_Ondefloss | January 4, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Is there any1 else on da blog who never responds to any1 talkin' junk beside mack1?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

someone posted earlier that its 9-6

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:01 PM |
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At this rate it will soon be 12 and 7.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

ESPN Adam Schefter reports:

Al Davis has named Bum Phillips as the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

So we have the 4th pick?

DAmn. So much 4 trading down and acquiring more picks :(

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

hopefully this will dampen the clausen talk round these parts

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4796255

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Mark Sanchez is an interception machine, but at least he has passion.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 4, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

He's horrid and if I see him go crazy after completing an 8 yd pass one more time, I may break my TV...

I agree that JC is probably not the answer, but the more you look at this year's QB draft class, the more attractive keeping Campbell becomes.

Posted by: coachtanahan | January 4, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Schefter also provided a link from ESPN last night about the likelihood of an NFL lockout!

What's there to do in Indianapolis and Green Bay if there's no football?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Well along with people who post on other fans' blogs, let me add to the pathetic loser list -

Home team fans who go to satellite bars and cry because the home team is not on the big screen.

Go to any bar that doesn't have the ticket, or better yet get some friends and watch it at home. Don't yell at the bartenders, you short bald goateed dork.

Oh and we're gonna need a new definition of insanity.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 4, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"Sny ain't gonna pay the Cleve QBC's sal. If Z shows up there he can kiss his Sny $$$ a sweet goodbye.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM"

With the firing there is no choice. Danny is on the hook for that money, even if Zorn became the assistant waterboy for the Bills.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 4, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

At this rate it will soon be 12 and 7.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 10:27 PM |

Just like Tiger's mistress count, eh?

signed,

the McKenzie bros

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

With the firing there is no choice. Danny is on the hook for that money, even if Zorn became the assistant waterboy for the Bills.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 4, 2010 10:39 PM |

I don't c your . . If Sny is going to pay him his 3rd year, the dud is going to have to sit on his arse. Sny is not going to let him be the Cleve QBC on his dime, that's for sure.

Posted by: DLoad | January 4, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

although, Clausen does get points for playing with two torn ligaments at big toe since september. good luck to him, but somewhere else.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Ya Know,

RI is the only place I blog about the Redskins. Is there another place to talk 'Skins that is just as fun as RI?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | January 4, 2010 9:46 PM |
frediefritz,

Who is Jim Zorn?

I'll take former Redskins coach's for $800.

Posted by: priceisright | January 4, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

hopefully this will dampen the clausen talk round these parts

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4796255

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 10:33 PM |

Jesus. They are dropping like files. First Brad and now Claus. Next it will be Mac after the bama D plants him in the Rose Bowl turf.

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Clausen will be a good QB, I don't think he'll be an elite one in the NFL. I really hope the Skins go OT with their first pick,unless they can adequately address the LOT position via FA.

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Clausen is the number one pick, and Suh is number two. We will get to pick Okung or Bruce Campbell.

And that is what we should do.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | January 4, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Don't remember which one, but a radio shmo suggested moving Levi Jones to RT and picking up a FA LOT, then using later rounds to start to address Oline depth. I didn't think much of his skill at LT, but dunno about switching to right side, whatchoo think?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Clausen is the number one pick, and Suh is number two. We will get to pick Okung or Bruce Campbell.

And that is what we should do.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 11:02 PM |

Bruce Campbell - love the dude's kilt.

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"And that is what we should do." -ifthethunderdontgetya


I'm curious. What do you wanna do?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Huh?

Tload or Dload?

I'm confused.

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't remember which one, but a radio shmo suggested moving Levi Jones to RT and picking up a FA LOT, then using later rounds to start to address Oline depth. I didn't think much of his skill at LT, but dunno about switching to right side, whatchoo think?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 11:05 PM |

Levi Jones = EZ Pass toll booth

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just saw the funniest thing ever. Snakes on a Plane is on TV and, "I'm sick of these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday through Friday plane!". classic.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious. What do you wanna do?

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:08 PM |
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Sorry, I don't want to box myself in.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 4, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

mack1 is one of my fave posters...

"Mark Sanchez is an interception machine, but at least he has passion."

Ricky he also has a first round and second round pick under 26, All pro SB winner Alan Fanaca, and the very solid moore on the Offensive line. You put a dude like T. Thigpen or D. Garrad on the Jets with there Def, running game and oline and they aint' waiting until the last game to qualify for playoffs...

Now starting Sanchez and still being 9-7/playoffs might pay off down the road as he learns to win and matures into that team...

Jets oline is sick.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Hail King Dirtbag. Too bad that's all he got this go around.

Posted by: WorstSeat | January 4, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

That makes perfect sense thunder.

i hate haters lol

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

mack1 is one of my fave posters...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:15 PM


Likewise :)

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Jets oline is sick.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:15 PM |

Hey, how about their sick WRs. The 2 C's. Crotchety and Clowny.

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

cl,

how did d. williams make the pro bowl when j. stewart had better stats?

I'm only askin cuz I know ya big in FF and I feel like fans are increasingly using FF as a guideline for rating the best nfl players; I personally think there are intangibles that FF cannot measure in a football player.

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW, just saw the funniest thing ever. Snakes on a Plane is on TV and, "I'm sick of these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday through Friday plane!". classic.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 4, 2010 11:12 PM |

Some would say that seeing Snakes in Your Underwear would be funnier than that.

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

well tload you sorta left out braylon edwards....

vicc, while I love FF, I try to keep a sane divide btw "fantasy" and real football.

I think Williams got nod b/c he was the actual starter, also Stewart racked up a ton of yards late in season after people voted, or already had preconceptions.

Whateves, they both are besst...fantasy and real world!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

besst = beast

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

well tload you sorta left out braylon edwards....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 11:30 PM |

Hey, Grouchy and Funny says it all. don't need no brayin dude.

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking draft order is

1. Suh
2. Okung
3. McCoy

and then we pick ????

they will be tempted for a QB, but hopefully we can trade down with SF or NE

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 4, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"...or already had preconceptions." -chrislarry


`
And that , 'redskin friendo' , is the flaw in voting, no matter the cause. I mean i totally agree. *shocker* is it really a choice if your mind is already made up?

Im jus playin.

++Well Done++

Posted by: Vicc | January 4, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking draft order is

1. Suh
2. Okung
3. McCoy

Posted by: noonefromtampa | January 4, 2010 11:46 PM |

Which McCoy is the real McCoy?

Posted by: TLoad | January 4, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

The Fiesta Bowl trophy appears to be a gold-sequined Gucci clutch purse shaped like a football.

Well won BSU!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 4, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Does noonefromtampa have the TB Buccs grabbing McCoy?

I wonder why? J. Freeman looks good

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

"The Fiesta Bowl trophy appears to be a gold-sequined Gucci clutch purse shaped like a football." -SMACK1


`-
Could you tell me how much it costs?

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse


If Samuels is done as a player, what about him looking to come in as something low rung like QC and help with the o-line coaching?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 4, 2010 9:28 PM

Why do you think he'd want to do that? There's not that many players who (a) aspire or (b) are competent to be coaches. I really doubt that QC coach pays enough to interest Samuels.

Posted by: League-Source

Chris Samuels has stated he would like to be a high school coach after retiring.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 5, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Did you see it? I'd say it costs you your manhood.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 5, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

peace,

Show me what you read about Kyle shanahan not neing a good OC, the only team in the league who has had a better offense over the last two years then the Texans has been the Saints. There OC is the head coach please tell me who is a better option.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 8:23 PM

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Flounder,

I meant the positive info on KS. I am just doubting the choice on principle. But I digress.

Let us hope for 9-7 or better in '10

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 5, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Anybody rejecting Shanahan is an idiot... Who cares that he only went to the Superbowl with Elway... but you gotta consistently have a chance at the playoffs to increase your chances of winning the SB... come on, how often does a team get on a run at the end of the season?? (Arizona, Pittsburgh, Giants) This is a league of parity where anyone can beat anyone... I seriously doubt the top 2 guys will be in the SB this year (Saints, Colts). I just like Dallas, Philly, Minnesota & Chargers more... Chargers have had Peyton's number, probably the only team.

The Redskins have good players on defense & word has it that Mike Shanahan wants Mike Zimmer (DC of Bengals, expiring contract) to be his D-Coordinator... that my friends is a great combination... Mike Zimmer was the DC of Dallas & 4 different coaches kept him on their staff & each time it seemed he was promoted before reaching DC. In 2005, Parcells told him to switch to 3-4 defense & with no experience with it, he just switched to Parcell's preference... yeah, I had to visit his wikki... Come on, you got Shanahan & his son Kyle as the OC who just has the #3 offense in Houston along with Mike Zimmer (DC of a playoff team) who has the #4 defense in Cinci, it's Dan Snyder & the guy is a free agent... Snyder has never met a free agent he couldn't buy...

Maybe, Snyder might be trying to get it right for once in his life.... Hires a GM, Hires successful coach who brings a top DC & OC with him who both had teams making playoff runs. As long as Snyder isn't making the personnel decisions, we can improve dramatically over the next 2 seasons... I'll give Snyder the ocassional "Hey what do you think of Jimmy Clausen?", he owns the team... The 'Skins offense has been horrible for a decade now, Shanahan is proven to make players better... remember when Jay Cutler was good?

Posted by: tony325 | January 5, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

How do you copy a post to add a post to it.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 9:55 PM |

Highlight desired item, right click and select copy. Then go to posting section and right click then paste.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 4, 2010 10:07 PM

Thank you very much. you are a gentleman and a scholar.

P.S. i like most of your posts also.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 4, 2010 10:10 PM |
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HPYTRKR1 and scampbell, get a room!!!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 5, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

'oh snap'

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

"remember when Jay Cutler was good?"

he's shockingly similar to JC when you look at their numbers, but for whatever reason he was thought of as a franchise guy when really he's middle of the road...just like JC

Posted by: divi3 | January 5, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

It is a happy day for me concerning Zorn's departure, and a sad one looking at the prospective future of the skins. I have been very critical of the front office from Vinny on down to the scouting staff, and can't understand for the life of me why they are even interested in Allen as GM, and whatever retread head coach rumored to be coming. I feel that all hirings should be with the mindset of procuring smart, hungry, candidates who have realistic plans/ideas on how to make us a winner in the shortest amount of time.I realize Tomlin, and Morris (Tampa Bay stated he will be back next season) are not available, but there are other young professional minds out there who won't even get interviewed because Snyder has a backwards mentality (imo)on how the club should be run. Let us not forget the hiring of Marty after some sharp comments about Snyder trying to buy the trophy on espn. Marty is a D coordinator/motivator at best. The Ravens, Steelers, Pats, Colts, and Eagles have the smartest organizations. San Diego has so much talent, I don't know how they have lost a game. Don't worry Norv T. will probably screw that up shortly. I would wave the money at the brightest minds in those organizations (someone will answer that money call), interview them, hear their plan for success, decide on one and get the H out of the way (offering financial support of course to make those plans successful). As much as I hate the Cowboy organization (not the players), I have to admit they have some of the top scouts in the league. They recognize talent very well. I know it is too late, they are probably on a different path with this team and it is a shame. Snyder is not selling and the fans are held hostage because of tradition. Oh well!

Posted by: jenksredskins | January 5, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

If we can get a bunch of big guys on the offensive line that knock everybody down when the play starts, then it will be easier for our offense to score points.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 5, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

umm divi3
You're shockingly wrong.. Comparing leadership stats... Cutler is far better than Jason Campbell..
Cutler has a nearly 20 points better QB rating than JC in the 4th QTR with 7 minutes or less remaining..
79 versus 61.0
And in overtime, Cutler has a 143.8 QB rating and Jason has a 89.6 rating.
(I could go on in comparing JC's inability to rally a team.. but you can read it at the NFL.Com stats.
All this would explain why, JC HAS NEVER BROUGHT THE SKINS BACK FROM BEHIND IN THE 4TH QUARTER IN THE 5 YEARS OF HIS REDSKINS CAREER.

++++++++++++++++
"remember when Jay Cutler was good?"

he's shockingly similar to JC when you look at their numbers, but for whatever reason he was thought of as a franchise guy when really he's middle of the road...just like JC

Posted by: divi3 | January 5, 2010 12:37 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Stumped..
You should be making GM money..
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If we can get a bunch of big guys on the offensive line that knock everybody down when the play starts, then it will be easier for our offense to score points.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 5, 2010 12:59 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

hope Shanahan says NO to putting the 3 Lombardi Trophies (won by Gibbs) in front of him at tommorrows Press Conference.
Those should be taken away from Snyder until he earns one.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

"remember when Jay Cutler was good?"

he's shockingly similar to JC when you look at their numbers, but for whatever reason he was thought of as a franchise guy when really he's middle of the road...just like JC

Posted by: divi3 | January 5, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse
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I would not be surprised if Shanny comes out & says, "I can win with Campbell" or at least something to the effect that they want Campbell... Shanny won games with Bubby Brister... There is nobody better available compared to Campbell unless were talking a rookie who at #4 is going to cost a fortune... I think Bruce Allen stating "we are going to try & make the players here better, might just be referencing him... we'll see... Take Russell Okung from Okla State & let's rebuild the line or trade the #4 & get multiple picks... Even if you have to FRANCHISE CAMPBELL in an uncapped year & pay him 10-15 million, do it! Don't be naive & think there is no market for Campbell... I just don't think you let him go until you see what he can do with Shanny as his coach... If I watched the Saints game when Campbell had time & not to mention going up against a D-coordinator who knew him better than anyone & he lit it up! I just saw something in that game from Campbell that I had never seen before in terms of where he was placing the ball & showed the promise of these young guys on offense. I guarantee Shanny will find out how best to utilize Thomas & Kelly.... I predict Thomas becomes solid #2 next year.

Posted by: tony325 | January 5, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

All this would explain why, JC HAS NEVER BROUGHT THE SKINS BACK FROM BEHIND IN THE 4TH QUARTER IN THE 5 YEARS OF HIS REDSKINS CAREER.

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Agree with some years past... but we were 6-2 last year, granted the league had to catch up to Zorn, & then the offensive line crumbled & hasn't been the same since... Vinny saw first hand what could happen to this team without Samuels & Thomas, then did absolutely nothing to fix it besides bring in undrafted talents for Buges to coach up... lol... It was so bad these last 3 weeks against HUNGRY playoff teams & they demolished Campbell to the point you couldn't even evaluate him as a fan.. Also, last year when they were 6-2, we saw WR's getting wide open for the first time in a while, but then Zorn didn't adjust to the league after they figured him out & you didn't see that anymore... Shanny is a first rate offensive coach & if anyone could get the talent out of Campbell... it would be him.

Posted by: tony325 | January 5, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Im ready for the hate mail. Joe Gibbs as wonderful as he was the first time around left this team in turmoil. He quit before his last season leaving nothing on the table for the next coach. He was supposedly head of the personnel dept. Where is the talent after being here for those years. These were mainly his coaches that were left behind. Where is Greg Williams? He didn't kiss Gibbs ring with enough heart for the Danny so he had to go. Where is the offensive line talent, or receivers, or talented reserves, or QB, or special teams players? This team spent this year on Haynesworth (the same way Gibbs did with all his free agents) and got little in return. The Skins ownership tried, they were just inept from having too little talent upstairs and downstairs. Dont look for a winning season for three more years at least. Its pitiful, were gonna start over with a new QB, at least 2 WR's, 2RB's, 4 offensive linemen, 1 safety, 1 CB for Hall or Rogers may not make it, and numerous special team players, along with all new coaches.
The blame goes to Gibbs (who never was a personnel man) Snyder, and Cerrato least of all for he was nothing but a _ss kisser.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | January 5, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm a redskins fan till the day I die. An unfortunate circumstance really, because it can only take a real fan to see how short their team really falls. I grew up idolizing redskins and orioles. What do I realize about both of those organization's? They both have tools running the show. On that note, I nominate Flounder21 for biggest tool in the universe, you TOOL. Forever 8-8 with JewBait.

Posted by: BMACattack | January 5, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

I predict that Mike Shanahan will be the next coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 5, 2010 2:42 AM | Report abuse

This blog is too funny...I mean why is everyone still complaining? The past is done it's over...Get over it.

Dan has finally done what we all wanted.. He fired Vinnie.....hired a GM to run the team...Shanny is a proven coach who will get the team going to at the very least out of this mess.

i think he is really trying on this one.. He is showing his way did not work and he is willing to change how his front office was ran....

so let's look to the future and discuss what the team is about and how to get the team back winning etc etc ...ya know like what the blog was originally meant for? Talk about football?

I'm just so tired of hating...Change is very good right now...

Posted by: leevi98 | January 5, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

"Bugel had one of his best seasons" Wow. Clearly the infamous Washington Compost BS doesn't stop at the front page..

Posted by: wewintheylose | January 5, 2010 3:15 AM | Report abuse

"Bugel had one of his best seasons" Wow. Clearly the infamous Washington Compost BS doesn't stop at the front page..

Posted by: wewintheylose | January 5, 2010 3:15 AM
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When three fifths of your offensive line is comprised of guys passed over by every other team in the NFL, and you are able to keep your QB vertical, I'd say that was a decent job of coaching. You can't make chocolate pudding out of cow manure, and Joe Bugel couldn't make a pro-bowl offensive line out of the washed-up, washed-out and thrown-out-with-the-wash guys Vinny gave him. Buges did his best, which was keeping the quarterback playing and opening holes for a running back who was pretty much at the same talent level as the o-line. So, yes, I think saying Bugel did an excellent job is more than a fair assessment. Just imagine what he could have done with a bunch of first and second round draft picks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2010 4:10 AM | Report abuse

"Bruce just said it's not going to be as much as everyone thinks. He felt like we had the talent in this room to win games. We just need the right leadership, the right direction."

DeAngelo Hall

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Yes, DeAngelo... you all had the "talent" to amass 4 wins on the season.

Coaches coach and players play.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 5:08 AM | Report abuse

"This has been an extremely difficult season for our organization and for the fans," the owner said.

"Bruce Allen, the guy in the suit with the famous last name I just hired, spent many hours examining the steaming pile of dung here at Redskins Park, and we are both determined to make a scapegoat out of Jim Zorn."

"The handlers here at Redskin Park have instructed the staff and players to stay on message and point to the 'lack of leadership' as cause for our abysmal season. I will then throw a bunch of money at Mike "Without Elway" Shanahan, his wife, and son, and we will draft him a shiny new quarterback."

"The process begins today," said the owner.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Wow...looks like this Shanahan thing is really gonna happen.

He's clearly head and shoulders better than Zorn so it's not a bad hire from that angle. But I'm just not thrilled with continuing down the path of the WCO.

Some here will point to continuity as a good reason to bring in Shanny. I just disagree that continuing what's here is wise. Right now this team is comprised of remnants of the Gibbs smashmouth team and there are few pieces in place to effectively run a WCO.

I've made it no secret that I want Russ Grimm to get a chance here. Considering his philosophy better matches the Gibbs way, it just makes sense.

That said, Shanny is a decent hire if this team is dedicated to rebuilding. I'm just not sure that word is in Danny's vocabulary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

At his presser after getting FIRED from the Denver Broncos, Mike Shanahan left the door ajar for his inevitable return to the NFL. He repeatedly said that he wanted to work for an owner who wanted to win the Superbowl as badly as he did.

Mike, you had a fair amount of success working for Pat Bowlen. What exactly went wrong there, and what leads you to believe Dan Snyder wants to win as badly as you do, or that he has any notion of how to do that?

and with seven coaches in the last decade, what makes you any more likely than them to win?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 5:48 AM | Report abuse

And anyone here who says Buges did anything less than a good job here is a complete idiot. Holding him accountable for not turning water into wine (more like piss into wine), is borderline retarded. It ain't his job to get his own talent, he works with what he gets. And he made a serviceable unit out of a scrap heap and deserves any positive attention he gets for it.

I, for one, will miss the old timer.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

what leads you to believe Dan Snyder wants to win as badly as you do, or that he has any notion of how to do that?

and with seven coaches in the last decade, what makes you any more likely than them to win?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 5:48 AM


I don't think anyone debates whether Snyder WANTS to win. It's that he wants to do it HIS way and won't do what's necessary to win. Hopefully, handing the keys to Allen and Shanny is a step in that direction (fingers crossed).

And I feel the same way about the parade of coaches here. But you have to admit, Shanny's resume trumps anything the coaches here in the last decade can offer (save for Gibbs).

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Kyle Shanahan:

Congratulations!

Your offense finished the season ranked #1 in passing yards per game. Your QB, Matt Schaub, posted some gaudy numbers:

4770 yards on 68% passing with 29 TDs to 15 INTs.

and he was sacked a modest 25 times for 169 yards.

but you had no running game and your team missed the playoffs?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanny's resume looks good, but only to a point.

He's not without his shortcomings.

He worked once before for another meddlesome owner (Al Davis) and got fired from that job as well, did he not?

The knock on Mike "Without Elway" Shanahan was that was arrogant and inflexible.

How does that help the Redskins?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Pretty interesting column on NFL.com about picking a head coach:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81580cb2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

How does that help the Redskins?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:10 AM

Chia, these are from the front page of today's print edition:

Redskins last 10 seasons: 70-90
Mike Shanahan's last 10 seasons: 91-69

That's the short answer. If you want a longer answer, read Stefan Fatsis book, "A Few Seconds of Panic," about the training camp he spent as a PK with the Broncos.

Any coach, any player, is a crap shoot. I think Shanahan would give us good odds.

Posted by: League-Source | January 5, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, LG.

Al indications are that Shanahan has the acumen to build a winning program.

and that he will have final say in how the Redskins build back up.

and perhaps the last year has also helped to enrich his perspective.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

The knock on Mike "Without Elway" Shanahan was that was arrogant and inflexible.

How does that help the Redskins?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:10 AM


So is Belichick, and he's done pretty well.

Which leads me to this question: why does Shanahan get all this flack for winning Super Bowls with Elway? Seems like nobody can say his name without saying "yeah, he's got 2 Super Bowls, but he did it with Elway." Really? Seems to me Elway had a couple of good coaches that couldn't win Super Bowls with him there. Ask Dan Reeves about how easy it is to win one with Elway. Anybody piling on Jimmy Johnson for winning two with Aikman? Hell, Jimmy had nothing but HoF QBs in the NFL (remember Marino in Miami?) and only has only two SBs to show for it. If it's so easy to win one with a HoF QB, stands to reason Jimmy should have at least 4, right?

I'm not much of a Shanny fan (yet), but I've never understood why he doesn't get credit for the Super Bowls. Seems to me the criticism should be on Elway not winning any before Shanny came around.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Playing the devil's advocate.

I don't think you can fault Shanny for having had the benefit of a Hall of Fame quarterback either.

The Broncos also had an dominating OL.

Maybe, in time, we can get Mike Shanahan his next great QB as well?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:36 AM | Report abuse

"We need [a coach] who is real strict, who says, 'This ain't gonna happen.' It won't be difficult. . . . We've got some guys who need to understand that it's 'big team, little me,' not 'big me, little team.' "

Phillip Daniels

Posted by: Chia_Pet | January 5, 2010 6:50 AM | Report abuse

brown,

I see your Jimmy and raise you Belichick how many SB's has he won without a future HOF QB?

There are two coaches who have won multiple SB's without a current or future HOF QB.

Joe Gibbs
Bill Parcells

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

it's 'big team, little me,' not 'big me, little team.' "

Phillip Daniels

Posted by: Chia_Pet


I thought of CP immediately after reading that line.......

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 5, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

brown,

On the WCO I think Shanny and son will be willing to mold there offense to there talent just like Kyle S. is doing in Houston.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 6:54 AM | Report abuse

I hope so, Flound.

And good point on Gibbs/Parcells. I'd take each of those guys (in their prime, of course) over Shanny or Jimmy any day.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Same with Clinton Portis, even though maybe we don't love him as much as we used to. Chris Samuels is another candidate.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 4, 2010 8:19 PM

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Portis? Hell no. What did we ever win with him? Great RB for a few seasons, but not Ring O Fame material in my book.

Posted by: edvar | January 4, 2010 9:01 PM

Ditto - especially since it is now coming out he was one of those lazy s.o.b.'s responsible for the downfall of the team.

Posted by: dmr0834 | January 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

If they put Portis in the Ring of Fame, the current members (the ones who have any sense anyway)should feel slighted. He had a lot of talent. It was far outweighed by his cancerous presence and toxic selfishness. Joe Bugel? Yes! CP26? No way!

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Just like Norv Turner, who was blamed for being too soft, Zorn will flourish in a team near you, very soon.

Yeah, fire Zorn, he was the cause of misery!!!!!

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | January 4, 2010 7:43 PM
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Dude - Zorn is NEVER getting another HC job in this league. He is a laughing stock.

Posted by: ElSith | January 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins couldn't possibly do enough to honor Joe Bugel's contributions. He needs to be in the "Ring of Fame" at FedEx and the Hall of Fame at Canton. I hope he agrees to do a local weekly commentary show next season, although I'm sure he won't. He could have coached for Vince Lomabardi; he's the epitome of a tough professional. Never complained; always gave his best. Many, many people are going to miss him. I wish him the best in retirement.

Posted by: qball43 | January 5, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Honor Bugel???? ROTFLMAO!!!! This is the reason the team sucks now. You guys are stuck in the past. Let it go. 43 sacks deserves NO HONORING!!!! If you won't honor Campbell for hanging in there and taking the hits and playing week in and week out then how in the world do you honor Bugel?

This isn't a strike season and just like Gibbs without one he is not impressive.

Posted by: bbg_isback | January 5, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan...another retread in the coaching merry-go-round musical chairs being set up to fall on his sword. Not that my, or anyone else's opinion matter, but why didn't Snyder court Russ Grimm?? He has the pedigree...played under Gibbs and Bugel, ass't. coached under Bill Cower. He has the chops...why not give him the opportunity?? Any thoughts??

Posted by: gnsmith | January 5, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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