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Posted at 11:38 AM ET, 02/ 7/2011

Coin Toss: How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?

By Washington Post editors

Drop your allegiance to the home team for a moment and tell us how long it will be until the Redskins play a game in February, and why. Do coach Mike Shanahan and the Redskins' brain trust have the right plan to get the team there?

By Washington Post editors  | February 7, 2011; 11:38 AM ET
Categories:  Daniel M. Snyder, Mike Shanahan  
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Wow, we don't have 6 SB rings are you ARE that obnoxious.

Do you hear that? There's a long walk off a short pier calling your name........
"Dousche"...."Dousche-Bag".......

Don't forget your concrete shoes!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 11:29 AM |

Dousche-Bag, a word used by people who cannot respond with anything that has substance. Instead of getting some work done, perhaps going back to school fits your bill. You and your partner should go on a permanent vacation, biggest of fools.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 7, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins, I think it is unlikely that they will ever reach the Super Bowl. Maybe we can get the fans at FedEx to loudly chant "SELL THE TEAM" at all home games.

Posted by: nrjlh | February 7, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think if we started doing everything correctly as of right now we may be able to get there in 5 years. Until then adjust the color on your TV until one of the teams looks like the Redskins. O and drink heavily. GO SKINS!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 7, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse


between the caps beating the penquins and the packers beating the steelers, pittsburgh must be one depressing city right about now.

who knows how long it will take the skins to get back to the SB, but I hope we don't have to wait another 20 yeras

draft d-line first, then o-line

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | February 7, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I knew I could pull a good response from you this morn Reds.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV- You make the blog better.

And I hate when my life partner leaves the toilet seat up. Getting wet buttcheeks is the worst.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

And I think the Skins make the SB next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Assuming that there is a season next season, I think it would take about 11 hours to reach the Super Bowl by car, probably not more than a couple of hours by plane.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So long as greasy little bastard owns the team, it will continue to reside among the league's bottom feeders.

Posted by: Vic1 | February 7, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse


who knows how long it will take the skins to get back to the SB, but I hope we don't have to wait another 20 yeras

draft d-line first, then o-line

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | February 7, 2011 11:50 AM |

Fool, with Danny Boy at the helm, the Redskins will never make it to the SB. Allen has already shown he is incompetent, dealing draft picks for washed up players. Why would you want to save the fat whale Albert Haynesworth ? Idiotic fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 7, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Flip_Flop = pond scum

Posted by: hessone | February 7, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 7, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

apparently neither is anyone else...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 7, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?


Editors, "Coin toss" suggests a question with a binary answer, such as yes/no.

Asking "how long?" is not really a coin toss question, unless you can break it into two segments (e.g., within 4 years or more than 4 years).

I would say this is more of a "dice roll" question.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

When the Skins reach the SB we will have to bring our coats. No, not because it will be in Jersey, 2014, but because hell will have frozen over!!

Posted by: iubiquity | February 7, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone but me think Green Bay's deep crossing route is almost unstoppable?


Terminology-wise, it's called a 'dig' route.

Or: 'deep square-in'.

The Rams of Vermiel and Warner-Bruce-Holt crushed many a team with that route.

What's funny, is that given the elite (there's that word again!) safety play the Steelers feature, you'd think it would've been stopped.

The key is that the receiver running the route comes out of a slot from the opposite of the offense and crosses in front of a safety who's caught helping out deep.

They want the safety to either hit the receiver running the 'dig' or commit deep.

If he goes deep, the 'dig' is open and if he comes up, the corner is one-on-one deep with Jennings/Nelson.

And remember, last night, both of those guys scored deep.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

We suck.

Posted by: neil64 | February 7, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

lol Neil. Best post today.

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 7, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Dousche-Bag, a word used by people who cannot respond with anything that has substance. Instead of getting some work done, perhaps going back to school fits your bill. You and your partner should go on a permanent vacation, biggest of fools.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 7, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, repeating what I said, a tactic used by people that have no comeback. Very interesting.

What's worse, wasting time arguing with people on here, or wasting even more time analyzing OTHER people who are on here arguing with people? That's a mystery, but here's some advice:

Maybe you should get to work and stop worrying about what I'm doing, I think your boyfriend is calling you back to his ass-h*le anyway, have fun!

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Redskins select Ham Sammich @ 10

sports reporter: So where do the think the 'skins will play you?

Ham Sammich: I'm sorta like a penis.

I like to play between the buns.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 7, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

And neither is PlayAction. I'm surprised he is even breathing today. Let's not plan on seeing him for a day, he was so tore up that he lost bowel control, pretty gross! You'd better clean up your own mess PA, Pokey is pissed you did it in his bed!

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Careful Moe, don't use the word penis, Flip_Flop's getting excited!

Hey Flip_Flop, I smell cum, did you burp?

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

This question depends on the patience of the skins' management.

I'm not referring to how the react after bad or mediocre seasons, but rather how they will handle their first taste of success.

The skins have made the playoffs 3 time in the Snyder tenure and each time they've put a completely different team on the field the following year.

Will that happen again? We'll see.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

We had an old, expensive, crappy team in '09, and we are less old, less expensive, and less crappy (even if only by a 2 game swing) going into '11.

While Shanahan may get some heat for what he did with Haynesworth, McNabb, and the D, he should get kudos for what he DIDN'T do, namely, whiff on 2 WRs, sign Albert Haynesworth, trade for Jason Taylor, or cut Leigh Torrence.

Let's give credit where credit is due.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 7, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Will that happen again? We'll see.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

They should know how they react to mediocre seasons, they've had enough practice.

I think we're 2 years away, at least, before we can get any kind of playoff success. First thing's first etrod, let's just get back to .500 first, then we can try to make the playoffs.

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Packers may have won the Super Bowl, but now's our time to shine, baby!

Mr Snyder, Mr Haynesworth, Mr McNabb... please step up to the microphone.

And Coach Shanahan... don't get too comfortable!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, it probably depends on when they get a championship level quarter-back behind center. You can still win the Super Bowl without one (see Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning) but the odds increase dramatically if you have one (Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Rapelisberger, etc.) Whether they draft and develop or acquire one by trade I think that guy will have to be here. Once he is, it could happen any time. The league is unpredictable. I think they should use this off-season to build the correct defensive personnel, address the interior offensive line, and gut out another year with Grossman before drafting a QB in April 2012.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | February 7, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the most difficult part about RI is telling your parents you're gay...

Posted by: DikShuttle | February 7, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Where's the obligatory RI post rubbing our noses in how former Redskins players did in the superbowl?

Oh yeah, Clark, Suisham, and Randel-El had horrible games!


Clark got burned at key moments and made zero plays on D

Suisham nearly missed an EXTRA POINT and his long field goal attempt wasn't even in-bounds

Randel-El, with one or two starting WRs out for Pitt, had a grand total of 2 catches going against 4th stringers in the GB secondary (and some will say this was better than expected for ARE!)

Add the fact that Jerry-World will forever be remembered as the WORST host stadium for a SuperBowl ever, and yesterday was a great day for this jaded petty cynical old man!

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 7, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Peeeps clown me for watching Glee, but wow, this conversation is out of control.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

You should be clowned for watching Glee, you fairy.

My wife is a singer/pianist, and a bunch of our buddies are in bands. That's where I get my music-related knowledge.

Even my wife thinks Glee is gay.

And any discussion about the integrity of our Nat'l Anthem is worth having.

Not only are you fairy Glee-boy, but now I'm starting to wonder if you're a commie as well.

Posted by: p1funk | February 7, 2011 10:52 AM

Even Richard Simmons thinks that Glee is gay

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Having an elite QB is not all there is to winning a SB.

Phillip Rivers should be in the discussion of elite QBs, but he rarely gets mentioned in these parts because his team underachieves. Put him on the Steelers or the Jets and he's wearing SB jewelry and hearing HOF talk.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

As long as Dan Snyder owns the Redskins, I think it is unlikely that they will ever reach the Super Bowl. Maybe we can get the fans at FedEx to loudly chant "SELL THE TEAM" at all home games.

Posted by: nrjlh | February 7, 2011 11:44 AM

Have to agree with this. Just don't see it happening.

Posted by: skinswest | February 7, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

One of many things I miss about that lovable curmudgeon Dr. Z was that he timed every national anthem (like every punt) on a stopwatch, and like most of us he valued anthemic brevity over all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I love my 'Skins, but sadly I don't see the team becoming respectable for 2 or 3 more seasons. They have got to turn over the personal and that takes time. Once that happens, they can start building towards going deep into the playoffs.

Posted by: ericroks | February 7, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?

...Really?

How about...
How long till we have a winning season?

(So even if they went to the Super Bowl next year - if there is a year, football-wise- I would complain bitterly and berate the coaching staff and management, unless they won by a blow-out, and even then I would complain and worry that we mortgaged out future for glory of one victorious season.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 7, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the the Redskins could get to a Super Bowl in three years. I think their record next season will improve as Shanahan and Haslett get more of the players that fit into their respective systems. Realistically though, it will take a lot of time to get all of the pieces together unless Bruce Allen starts channeling Bobby Beathard.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

One of many things I miss about that lovable curmudgeon Dr. Z was that he timed every national anthem (like every punt) on a stopwatch, and like most of us he valued anthemic brevity over all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 1:03 PM

He timed it because you can bet the over/under on the length of the national anthem in Vegas. Last night's should have been taken off the board after she sang the wrong song.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

It will be over 5yrs and with Dan Snyder owning this team, UGH the past 10yrs.......when he bought the team Norv Turner, Brad Johnson and Stephen Davis were 2gms from the SB (the beginning of the end) - YET - that offseason, Snyder adn his idiot clueless VP's decided to go a different route....we, not couting Gibbs #2, the team has blown....and the way Snyder does things and is now sueing the Washington City Paper- UGH - is he serious....I honestly feel he is in over his head, to be that nieve and stupid at the same time, it is the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over again and hoping for a different outcome....
I am not a Team Owner, BUT if I was adn Dan, I will take it up for 6 months if you like....I would hire the most experienced or definitely have the most football minded people talking in my ear, NOT some crack pot called Vinnie who was some Raquetball buddy - please.
The Reskin Ticket was charished, but today, it goes out with the trash...to say there is no increase in ticket prices then "split hairs" and have an invoice for over last year cost, please, you are robbing every Redskin Fan their joy, their love, their excitement every Sunday and quite frankly every day because the Redskins have become adn it pains me to my core to say this, but the Redskins have become the BUTT joke of the NFL adn the funny thing is ALL the owners LOVE Dannyboy, because having 1 super organization be broken down and put out to pasture, like the horrible teams of the past makes all the other teams better - Heck - Even the Cardinals are better and I NEVER thought I would say it! MAN, I hope I am not sued for making these statements about the inept Redskin Owner....man, I should hit delete - "NOT"!

Posted by: talbottj | February 7, 2011 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I love my 'Skins, but sadly I don't see the team becoming respectable for 2 or 3 more seasons. They have got to turn over the personal and that takes time. Once that happens, they can start building towards going deep into the playoffs.

Posted by: ericroks | February 7, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Depends on how you define respectable. We should improve on 6-10 this year. But we won't be considered a powerhouse until we fix the D and get a highly-rated qb.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The only way the Redskins get to the Super Bowl within 10 years is if Danny ( I'm a petulant punk)Snyder moves the team to LA, leaves the Redskins name here and we get the Jags or the Bills here. That is the only way if Danny will not sell the team and that is not going to happen.

Get the hell out of town Danny!!!

Posted by: rveatch | February 7, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?

...Really?

How about...
How long till we have a winning season?

(So even if they went to the Super Bowl next year - if there is a year, football-wise- I would complain bitterly and berate the coaching staff and management, unless they won by a blow-out, and even then I would complain and worry that we mortgaged out future for glory of one victorious season.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 7, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, except the last part. It doesn't matter what we do or who we get, a SB Trophy is still a SB Trophy, it doesn't matter if we are screwed for a few years, we haven't won a SB in almost 20 years, we need to win a title soon.

The problem is, we've tried the whole 'buying a SB' thing and failed miserably. I know, different regime and staff, but same crappy owner. We need to do things the old-fashioned way, and that's get tough, blue-collar guys in FA who don't cost a lot but do their job, and get younger (and better) in the draft!

SAVE GERBILS!!!!!!!

KILL THE GLEE WATCHERS!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Never ever ever ever never ever....as long as The Danny owns the team.

Posted by: CHICO13 | February 7, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the number of years depends on how long Dan Snyder runs the Redskins (Years to Super Bowl Win = Years of Snyder Ownership + Years for new owner to dig out from under)

http://northernexplorer.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/snydermustgo/

Posted by: dmor | February 7, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

The only way the Redskins get to the Super Bowl within 10 years is if Danny ( I'm a petulant punk)Snyder moves the team to LA, leaves the Redskins name here and we get the Jags or the Bills here. That is the only way if Danny will not sell the team and that is not going to happen.

Get the hell out of town Danny!!!

Posted by: rveatch | February 7, 2011 1:18 PM
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Pure genius. So, the Bills and Jaguars would be transformed into Superbowl powerhouses just by virtue of moving to the DMV? And Dan Snyder is the root of all evil? Got it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the number of years depends on how long Dan Snyder runs the Redskins (Years to Super Bowl Win = Years of Snyder Ownership + Years for new owner to dig out from under)

http://northernexplorer.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/snydermustgo/

Posted by: dmor | February 7, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Mike Munchak is the Titans new coach. I wonder if he's a Haynesworth fan?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Five years after Snyder is gone.

Posted by: ennepe68 | February 7, 2011 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, we've tried the whole 'buying a SB' thing and failed miserably. I know, different regime and staff, but same crappy owner. We need to do things the old-fashioned way, and that's get tough, blue-collar guys in FA who don't cost a lot but do their job, and get younger (and better) in the draft!

SAVE GERBILS!!!!!!!

KILL THE GLEE WATCHERS!!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 1:21 PM
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Aren't we kind of migrating to that philosophy? Banks, Armstrong, Torain, Paulsen, Bryant - aren't those guys all blue collar guys? It just takes time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

...I'm a hamster, I bicth and moan and writhe in agony as a watch the Skins play football through the little cracks between my fingers.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 7, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The current front office and coach spent valuable picks on a 34 year old quarterback. They also kept the ultimate troublemaker Albert Haynesworth on the roster despite getting little in return from him on the field.

Trent Williams is the only younger player they added that is a blue chipper, and at #4 overall you EXPECT teams to come up with difference makers.

This team is one of the least talented in the NFC.

Neither Shanahan nor Allen has a track record of managing the draft and personnel to get a team to the Super Bowl.

When Allen was in Oakland Mike Lombardi was making the personnel moves. Allen was negotiating contracts.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 7, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Pure genius. So, the Bills and Jaguars would be transformed into Superbowl powerhouses just by virtue of moving to the DMV? And Dan Snyder is the root of all evil? Got it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you get it. See the Bills AND Jaguars will be moving to the DMV. We can then combine both teams into 1 team. We'd have a backfield of C. J. Spiller and MJD. We'd have the Jags oline, dline, and safeties. We'd have the Bills receivers, linebackers, and cornerbacks. It's brilliant.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 7, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The skins have made the playoffs 3 time in the Snyder tenure and each time they've put a completely different team on the field the following year.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 12:36 PM

Kind of like how Skins couldn't keep the same QB around long enough to help win three different Super Bowls.

jgarrisn, my fave part was jack frost pantsing Jerry Jones, but good points all, esp. Suisham's FG botch.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?

If Snyder still owns the team, I'd say NEVER

the Skins should lose all their games except maybe win 1, then draft Andrew Luck if their lucky

Posted by: datruth21 | February 7, 2011 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Aren't we kind of migrating to that philosophy? Banks, Armstrong, Torain, Paulsen, Bryant - aren't those guys all blue collar guys? It just takes time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes we are, and I do think we took a step forward in the right direction this past year, but I know our owner and how impatient he is. I would like to feel more comfortable with the QB position though, hopefully we can get a clearer picture of that coming up this year.

Posted by: monk811 | February 7, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm with nrjlh above, NEVER under The Snide (SNAKE) ownership! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CHANT "SELL THE TEAM" if you really care.

Posted by: duru44 | February 7, 2011 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I hate to break it to some of you Danny-haters out there - and count me amongst you, 'cause there's no doubt he's ruined the franchise I've loved my whole life - but this season's failure, unlike many other previous season failures, really isn't on Danny. It seems as though The Danny stayed out of things this year, like we've all begged him to do for a decade. The QB farce this season was on Shanny, not Danny. The AH farce was on Shanny, too. Granted, Vinny and Danny may have brought him here, but Shanny grossly mismanaged him. The defensive ineptitude was caused by changing to a scheme for which we didn't have right players. That's not on Danny, either. The front office, at least, had an air of vague competence to it, or at least less of a stink of complete and total incompetence, unlike the coaching staff.

Even if Shanny doesn't cut it in a year or two, if The Danny stays on this path, sooner or later he's going to find a decent coach. So I have reason for some optimism.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 7, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

AND WHERE IS THE ARTICLE ON SEAN SUING-IT TO THE LEFT. I'M SO GLAD HE IS HAPPY AT THE STEELERS...CAUSE HE SUCKED IN THE CLUTCH.

REDSKINS WILL MAKE IT TO SUPERBOWL UNDER SHANNY...GIVE EM TIME.

Posted by: rodskin | February 7, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will improve, but I don't see them winning another Super Bowl until they get away from the formula that has given us decades of mediocrity.

Dan doesn't have to leave, he just has to stop being predicable and follow these straightforward steps:

Step 1: Get rid of Vinny (done)
Step 2: Stop looking for "elite" players/coaches--get out of the business of hiring players altogeher and leave that to your GM.
Step 3: Hire a younger up-and-coming coach and an independent-minded GM.
Step 4: Only get involved when asked to by your GM and/or coach.

Hiring Shanahan was no different than hiring McNabb or Haynesworth. These are all big splash "elite" hires who peaked with another team. The results of these hires have become predictable.

Note 1: No coach has coached two different teams to Super Bowl.
Note 2: The Packers offense is 100% homegrown (all drafted or UFAs signed by the Packers)
Note 3: Bill Belichick and Bill Cowher were the elder statesman of recent SB winning coaches. Other Super Bowl winning coaches won Super Bowls in their 5th year (McCarthy), 4th year (Payton), 2nd year (Tomlin), 12th year (Couglin), and 11th year (Dungy) as head coaches in the NFL.

Even Coughlin and Dungy won Super Bowls in their 4th and 5th years, respectively, with their new teams.

So the last 5 SB winning coaches took their teams to the playoffs by their 2nd season and won a SB by 5th season with that team.

Going back even further, Shanahan and Gibbs also took their SB teams to the playoffs by their 2nd years. Shanahan went on to win a SB in his 3rd year with the Broncos and Gibbs 1.0 won the SB with the Redskins in his 2nd year.

Based on these trends, next season's performance should be a key predictor of whether this team will eventually be able to compete at the highest levels under the current regime... or whether Shanahan will join Haynesworth, McNabb, Deion, Jason Taylor, and all the other "elite" hires who came here with nothing to prove.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Next Skins Super Bowl? 2-3 years after Snyder no longer owns the team.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | February 7, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Even if Shanny doesn't cut it in a year or two, if The Danny stays on this path, sooner or later he's going to find a decent coach. So I have reason for some optimism.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 7, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Bro, the one thing we have in common is we want our skins to win. But I can't agree with hating on Shanny. I will concede to pull DM5 with a minute left in the 4th against detroit was dumb but you guys are buying all the media hate without looking at things as they really are:

1. Haynesworth was overpaid by the previous regime. He was more interested in running a defense around him so he could pad his sack totals instead of doing what was best for the team. This guy stomped on another players head for crying out loud, he's a loser. The controversy surrounding the coaches decisions had more to do with his whining and the media's over-analysis.

2. DM5 was pretty good this year, but insider's know the coaches were frustrated with him because didn't go through his progressions and constantly missed open receivers, which constantly put us in 3rd down and long situations.

3. The blocking schemes has already made a huge difference in the offensive line and the last 3 games even with the same ol players they weremore effective. Torrain and them were finding a rythym.

4. Shanny has always produced top offenses and he will do it here. Is he perfect, no. Do people like him, no. If Belicheck had a loosing season would people like him, no.

Posted by: rodskin | February 7, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?

By Washington Post editors

And so, we now have a pattern: something happens and the next thread is a poll.

Here's what we should look out for:

Coin Toss: How long before Mubarack performs at the Super Bowl?

Coin Toss: How long before Stevie Wonder wins the Daytona 500?

Coin Toss: How long before some other fat black chick discovers she's Oprah's sister?

Coin Toss: How long before Fergie hits the right note on "Boom Boom Pow"?

Coin Toss: How long before the Nation of Columbia erects a white powdery statue to honor Charlie Sheen?

Coin Toss: How long before the RI Blog Owner blocks moe's post?

Not long on that last one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long before Sam Huff does a Redskins broadcast with his underwear outside his pants?

(Correct answer: Since 2004)

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long before Sam Huff does a Redskins broadcast with his underwear outside his pants?

(Correct answer: Since 2004)

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

...pass the Peace Pipe of Success to the left...(cough..cough)

here you go danny boy, take a hit or 2 and re-evaluate your life and where you're going.

you need to see the whole sha-bang, visualize every angle and step back from the situation and understand...

be humble and wise....

i like the shanny hire, i believe we are on our way to good things, the cycle is returning to us, our draft pick at #10 is going to be great

here take a hit......just let me get one more...

....(cough cough)

hail to the Redskins

Posted by: retroskins14 | February 7, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Pure genius. So, the Bills and Jaguars would be transformed into Superbowl powerhouses just by virtue of moving to the DMV? And Dan Snyder is the root of all evil? Got it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't think you get it. See the Bills AND Jaguars will be moving to the DMV. We can then combine both teams into 1 team. We'd have a backfield of C. J. Spiller and MJD. We'd have the Jags oline, dline, and safeties. We'd have the Bills receivers, linebackers, and cornerbacks. It's brilliant.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 7, 2011 1:39 PM
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Ohhhhh, I get it. Now that you have explained it, it makes perfect sense. Problem is, we still wouldn't have a franchise quarterback...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long before Sam Huff does a Redskins broadcast with his underwear outside his pants?

(Correct answer: Since 2004)

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: How long before the RI Blog Owner blocks moe's post?

Not long on that last one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 2:16 PM

Coin Toss: How long before FrancoBegbie takes Moe down?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will make it to the Super Bowl in four years....Four years after little danny has sold the team to someone who knows how to run an organization.

Posted by: FORMERskinsfan1 | February 7, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

From Steinberg's Bog:

[Jim] Rome: "Who's your starting quarterback next year?"

[Dan] Snyder: "Hopefully it's Donovan McNabb. Right now it's Donovan McNabb. I think he's a proven leader, and a terrific person, terrific person. And I'm hopeful we'll continue as we had last season."


No pressure, coach.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Coin Toss: How long before FrancoBegbie takes Moe down?


Word Play: FrancoBegbie

Big

Fag

Funny, I can't think of any other words from that guy's screen name except:

Barf

Beef

Groan

Beeno

Crab


Oh well.

Tell Mr. Begbie, that I have a frank for him.

And when he gets it, he can stuff it between his buns.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of The Owner, did somebody already post his interview with Florio?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/06/daniel-snyder-sits-down-with-pft-live/#comments

Lots of interesting bits in here, esp. about his calculus about why the chances are different now (and better) about getting a Super Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"Note 1: No coach has coached two different teams to Super Bowl."

Alan4, I think you meant no coach has coached two different franchises to Super Bowl victories.

Shula, Parcells, Reeves, Holmgren and Vermeil have all taken two franchises to the Big Game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Super_Bowl_head_coaches

But yeah, your point stands... it would be a statistical anomaly for Shanny to win a SB with the Skins...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

these are sad days for redskins fans,,,but 12/21/12 is not too far away

Posted by: agis1 | February 7, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

How about as long as Mike Shanahan is the coach? That should have been one of the options!

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 7, 2011 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will win a Super Bowl when the stop listening to these "fake GM's" on RI!

...all this crap about "building the line" and look for a servicable QB...Gibbs did it with Rypien and Doug Williams!"

Bullsh*t!

Neither of those QB's that played last night were mediocre and the Steelers and the Packers gave up a ton of sacks this year!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

sad days for redskins fans ----but 12/21/12 is not far behind

Posted by: agis1 | February 7, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

sad days for redskins fans ----but 12/21/12 is not far behind

Posted by: agis1 | February 7, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

sad days for skins fans but-----12/21/12 is not far behind

Posted by: agis1 | February 7, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX:

You're understating the case. Here's my proof.

He's coached 17 years. With Elway he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years or 75% of the time. Without Elway he's made the playoffs 4 out of 13 years or 30% of the time.

Shanny has been out of the playoffs for his last 4 straight years of coaching. Of the 50 greatest coaches of all time by winning percentage, only three have ever returned even to the playoffs after being out 4 straight years (Shula, Noll and Schottenheimer)

In fact, when you don't have Elway as your QB, Marty would have been a better choice to keep. He made the playoffs 13 out of 21 years or 61% of the time, vs. Shanny's 4 out of 13 or 30% of the time.

It's the same even IN the playoffs where Marty was supposed to be at his worst. Shanny is 1-4 in the playoffs without Elway for a percentage of .200. Marty's playoff record, is supposedly the worst of any major coach. He is 5-13, for a percentage of .278.

So as you can see even in the playoffs, if you don't have Elway on your team Schottenheimer is a better coach than Shanny.

One final note, Elway made the playoffs 7 out of 12 years without Shanahan 58%, versus the above noted Shanny only making the playoffs 4 times out of 13 30% without Elway.

From this we can safely conclude two things:

1) Elway made Shanahan, not the other way around.

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Pittsburgh statistically the oldest team in the NFL this year?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

they've done studies you know....60 percent of the time it works everytime....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 7, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Pittsburgh statistically the oldest team in the NFL this year?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM
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I don't know about that but I remember reading somewhere that the average age was greater than the average age of players on the team referred to as "the over the hill gang".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.


This upcoming offseason is what will either re-establish Shanahan as one of best or allow more questions about his management of the team:

If the McNabb trade was a flub-up, how does he recover?

At what point do we see him resolve the AH issue and how?

Will he rebuild the o-line with project players or grab an elite guard-tackle-center in the draft?

Whose needs take priority in the draft: Haslett's or Kyle's?

Will he choose to throw FA money at a top notch WR?

How does the CP redskin divorce come about--or does it even happen?

Again, the team faces a slippery archipeligo of very interesting choices, and it'll be interesting to watch Shanny jump from one to another.

And if he slips up and falls, more than his reputation will be underwater.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.


This upcoming offseason is what will either re-establish Shanahan as one of best or allow more questions about his management of the team:

If the McNabb trade was a flub-up, how does he recover?

At what point do we see him resolve the AH issue and how?

Will he rebuild the o-line with project players or grab an elite guard-tackle-center in the draft?

Whose needs take priority in the draft: Haslett's or Kyle's?

Will he choose to throw FA money at a top notch WR?

How does the CP redskin divorce come about--or does it even happen?

Again, the team faces a slippery archipeligo of very interesting choices, and it'll be interesting to watch Shanny jump from one to another.

And if he slips up and falls, more than his reputation will be underwater.


Posted by: MistaMoe | February 7, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

So the last 5 SB winning coaches took their teams to the playoffs by their 2nd season and won a SB by 5th season with that team.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse
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Kind of a shame we haven't had that kind of longevity around these parts.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 7, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 7, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Pittsburgh statistically the oldest team in the NFL this year?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM

Tied for 3rd oldest. Scroll to the bottom of this list for complete listing.

http://www.csnwashington.com/12/15/10/Redskins-no-longer-oldest-NFL-team/landing.html?blockID=374036&feedID=287

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

ESPN’s Bill Williamson writes that the Oakland Raiders could be a possible destination for Moss once free agency is underway (whenever that is). Moss has ties to Oakland quarterback Jason Campbell and for new Oakland offensive coordinator Al Saunders from their days in Washington.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

More than 5 years if ever. Skins need to be blown up a la Tampa Bay and built from the ground up with a promising young coach who will have the patience tn grow along with a young roster. This isn't in Snyder's DNA. Shanahan is an old coach who came to win now, just another version of an attempted Snyder shortcut. Take heart fans, the Super Bowl is over and now the Skins will be hellbent for yet another off-season championship.

Posted by: alexandria6351 | February 7, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

You're understating the case. Here's my proof.

He's coached 17 years. With Elway he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years or 75% of the time. Without Elway he's made the playoffs 4 out of 13 years or 30% of the time.

Shanny has been out of the playoffs for his last 4 straight years of coaching. Of the 50 greatest coaches of all time by winning percentage, only three have ever returned even to the playoffs after being out 4 straight years (Shula, Noll and Schottenheimer)

In fact, when you don't have Elway as your QB, Marty would have been a better choice to keep. He made the playoffs 13 out of 21 years or 61% of the time, vs. Shanny's 4 out of 13 or 30% of the time.

It's the same even IN the playoffs where Marty was supposed to be at his worst. Shanny is 1-4 in the playoffs without Elway for a percentage of .200. Marty's playoff record, is supposedly the worst of any major coach. He is 5-13, for a percentage of .278.

So as you can see even in the playoffs, if you don't have Elway on your team Schottenheimer is a better coach than Shanny.

One final note, Elway made the playoffs 7 out of 12 years without Shanahan 58%, versus the above noted Shanny only making the playoffs 4 times out of 13 30% without Elway.

From this we can safely conclude two things:

1) Elway made Shanahan, not the other way around.

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.


Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM | Report abuse

John, you're throwing around a lot of stats, but not using much statistics. I'm not a statistician, but here is where your argumant is weak.

You are starting with the assumption that no winning SB coach has ever taken a second team to win a SB.

There have been only 45 SB's. Of those 45 games, a number of the winning coaches have multiple wins. So your field is already reduced below 45. Maybe as low as 30-35 individuals who have coached a winning SB. Of those individuals, how many have even left their winning team, and coached another team? Probably not many. Nate mentions that 5 have returned, but not won.

The problem is that your sample is very small. Maybe at most 10(?) winning coaches have even coached another franchise. 5 of them have returned. I think, for the most part, only your better coaches even get a second chance. And yet possibly half of them have gotten back to the big game.

Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Who knows? The owner/GM/coach chemistry is really unknown to all except the inner circle. A GM and coach are going to need at least 4 years to build a team -does Snyder have that kind of patience?

Posted by: leatherman1 | February 7, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

John, you're throwing around a lot of stats, but not using much statistics. I'm not a statistician, but here is where your argumant is weak.

You are starting with the assumption that no winning SB coach has ever taken a second team to win a SB.


Posted by: frediefritz | February 7, 2011 3:41 PM

Actually, John never mentioned the SB once in his post, which is pretty compelling. His argument focuses on the bigger sample size of winning percentage and playoff records.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

johnmarshall, what I'm hoping for is that Shanahan presides over a period of reestablishing the Redskins as a franchise to be reckoned with -- as evinced by all the stuff we always talk about up here -- and then turns the reigns over to a young gun who takes the team to the next level and himself presides over a lengthy period of dominance, let's say a decade, including at least... let's say two titles.

Is that too much to ask?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

“You can never cross the ocean unless you have the courage to lose sight of the shore.”
~ Christopher Columbus

Posted by: MonkMossMann | February 7, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz:

I'm not trying to convert anybody to a new religion. I'm a trader by nature, and I like to be on the side of the odds.

Nate:

Maybe, but so far it hasn't really been in Snyder's tool chest to give the team to a young gun rather a name, except when he got stuck with zorn by accident.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 7, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Neither of those QB's that played last night were mediocre and the Steelers and the Packers gave up a ton of sacks this year!


Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

That has a lot more to do with their offensive schemes than their lines. Just looking at sacks isn't a good indicator of offensive line quality. Those guys are getting sacked at the 3-4 second mark on a 5-7 step drop. Our QBs have been hit before their back foot planted on a 3 step drop. Heck, I remember Campbell getting hit before he caught the snap in the Giants game last year. Rodgers and Ben are taking the snap and reading through all their progressions before getting hit. They aren't being blindsided by free rushers. They are hanging on to the ball trying to make a play downfield. Peyton Manning was barely sacked at all last year but I doubt anyone wants his offensive line. The Packers linemen are actually pretty decent. The Packers bookends are 1st and 2nd round picks. LG is a second rounder. RG is a 4th rounder. Center was a 7th. That's a decent amount of investment. They didn't just roll out a bunch of undraft FAs like we do. The Steelers lost both of their tackles and a center to injury this season and it's a big reason why they lost last night. I'd also argue that making it to the super bowl with mostly your backup linemen is a pretty good testament to the amount of depth needed to win late in the season.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 7, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

johnmarshall, thanks for making me review in my mind all of Snyder's head coach moves. Most of which still make me at least a little bit angry.

1. firing Norv
2. making Robinsky interim
3. hiring Schotty
4. causing Schotty to quit
5. hiring Spurrier
* note: Snyder not responsible for Spurrier quitting
6. hiring Gibbs
* note: Snyder not responsible for Gibbs quitting
7. hiring Zorn
8. firing Zorn
9. hiring Shanny

I'm prepared to be angry about whatever Snyder does next. Which is called "bias."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

There is something to be said for continuity, except for when your continuity is a revolving door installed in the head coaches suite.

Well, even then there is something to be said with characters from the extended keyboard.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 7, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to see Moss go anywhere, but I wouldn't really blame him if he did.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

There are too many variables and unknowns to make an educated guess on that question. I do think Shanny has the goods to get us back to respectability and the playoffs. 8-8 next year and playoffs the following.

In order to reach the SB in three years we are going to need some great personnel moves and some luck. (Maybe even Luck.) Getting Brady certainly sped up BB's time table. If Zona can get there by drafting Fitz and picking up a revitalized Warner, there is no reason the Skins can't do it. Even in spite of the devil Snyder.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 7, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

dizzle44

ESPN’s Bill Williamson writes that the Oakland Raiders could be a possible destination for Moss once free agency is underway (whenever that is).

I can't see Moss in Silver 'N Black as he's not the 6' 2/4 220 type wr Al Davis craves.

I bet the Raiders add Julio Jones or some other such 'name' receiver form the draft.

And again, I see JC having another solid season in O-Town as it'll be his second season in the same system playing for a head coach/playcaller who wants to tailor the offense to his skill set.

And say what you will about Campbell, he never had that in D.C..

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 7, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Pittsburgh statistically the oldest team in the NFL this year?
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No, according to ESPN, they are the second oldest.
The oldest are your Washington Redskins.
Which shows you how far they have to go. They will never get to a SB with Danny in charge. And don't kid yourself - Danny still makes the major decisions on personnel. Allen is just an empty suit, hired to trade on his name and shill the tradition of the team and sell tickets. How soon do you think it will be that Shanny and Danny will be at each other's throats, if it hasn't happened already?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder has been rather villified recently, so I'd like to balance it with a few of his recent accomplishments:

- Two of Snyder's former players were recently inducted in the HOF:
+++ Bruce Smith (last year)
+++ Deion Sanders this past weekend.

- Snyder's 2010 Redskins defeated the eventual Super Bowl champ Packers this year in a 3 point OT victory. This was an improvement from 2009's 3 point OT loss to eventual Super Bowl champ Saints.

- Snyder fired Vinny. That's gotta mean something!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Never ever ever ever never ever....as long as The Danny owns the team."

I'm really starting to beleive this as well.

*sigh*

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

nypdee, getting Brady for peanuts was only a small piece of it...

Bledsoe getting hurt -- in the second game of the season after signing a ten-year, $100 million contract -- was the critical moment. One of the great "what ifs" in recent fubbal history is what the aughts would've looked like if not for that injury.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am from Djibouti, Djibouti and in these distant land we hear of this team with chance of eating from bowl super and I want to eat I am soo hungry I have itch

Posted by: pejochum | February 7, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I see Antwaan Randle-El had quite a game. Beautiful catches in a losing effort. But at least that effort was in the Super Bowl. Campbell will probably get there before the Redskins, as well. That would be sweet.

Posted by: edwcorey | February 7, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

say what you may about Shanny but he had this team fighting.

They had nothing to play for and fought it out.

The 2009 Skins just laid down and died.

This team goes 10-6 next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

- Snyder fired Vinny. That's gotta mean something!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse
It means a lot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Bro, the one thing we have in common is we want our skins to win. But I can't agree with hating on Shanny. I will concede to pull DM5 with a minute left in the 4th against detroit was dumb but you guys are buying all the media hate without looking at things as they really are:

Posted by: rodskin | February 7, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse
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Haynesworth is absolutely a loser, but surely a coach with better people skills would have gotten more out of him. Can you imagine Gibbs or Bill B. letting the AH situation get as far out of control as it did? Those guys would have done something to minimize the disruption instead of causing a brushfire to turn into an inferno. That is Shanny's fault.

Everything you said about DM is correct, but if Shanny made such a big error in judgment in DM's skills, I blame Shanny. Most people on this blog were were of his low completion percentage and his basic tendencies. Shanny knows way more than us, so if DM isn't the right guy, and we just wasted two important draft picks, that's on him, not The Danny.

Yeah, his zone blocking scheme was finally starting to see a few results by the end of the year, but the Redskins have had a good running game for a long time in the other schemes we've run (thanks to CP and those who came before him), so it's not like he actually improved anything. Bringing the running game up from around last to the mid-twenties in ranking when it was way better than that in the not too distant past isn't anything to write home about.

My point is that Shanny thusfar hasn't done much to inspire much confidence. He made a few boneheaded moves this season. Only time will tell if he can really turn us around, but win or lose, the next couple of years are all him, not The Danny.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 7, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

we hear of this team with chance of eating from bowl super...


There's a porno title in there somewhere:

32 teams...one bowl

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 7, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Skins superbowl in 2-3 years featuring kaepernick throwing to vince jackson

Posted by: coparker5 | February 7, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, they might have "fought it out," but they still lost 5 of 6 games to end the season after starting off 5-5. Sure, most of those were close losses, but they were losses. Maybe instead of laying down and dying they did a lot of thrashing on the ground?

Give me the last 8 games of the Schottenheimer season, if we're talking about a team with nothing to play for that played impressively. One of the last lovable Redskin teams.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

My point is that Shanny thusfar hasn't done much to inspire much confidence. He made a few boneheaded moves this season. Only time will tell if he can really turn us around, but win or lose, the next couple of years are all him, not The Danny.
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No wonder Danny treats Redskins fans like fools.
Who hired Shanny?
Who pays his salary?
In fact, who hired Haynesworth and was paying him all those millions?
Do you think Shanny really wanted Haynesworth as soon as he said he had his own training program?
But do you think Danny was going to let Shanny just dump Haynesworth when he had all those millions and his own huge ego invested in him?
Don't you think Shanny had a lot of explaining to do when he actually benched Haynesworth?
Don't you understand that Snyder still meddles and still thinks he knows better than anybody else on everything and is a total liar about everything?
Or do you believe him when he says his PR people and lawyers told him he had to sue?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

have the steelers ever signed a top free agent? champ bailey has about 2-3 good years left and would look good in black & yellow. I wonder it he'd take less $ to go out a winner?

Posted by: coparker5 | February 7, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Free OJ

Posted by: VicDamone | February 7, 2011 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- I know he's not a head coach, but the Gregg Williams firing was a pretty big Snyder move. And you know, if you're talking about winning Super Bowls...

Posted by: 202character | February 7, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder makes me poop in my pants.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 7, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

32 teams and one bowl it must be super in Djibouti we offer scorpion to witch doctor and the itch is less

Posted by: pejochum | February 7, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is a perfect illustration of the delusion of the Washington area towards their Redskins.

The Redskins haven't been to a Super Bowl in NINETEEN (19) YEARS and yet the poll maxes out at five! Next year when we don't go to the Super Bowl AGAIN it will have been TWO DECADES since we were there.

There are only 16 teams in each conference, so going strictly by the simplest of odds, you figure we'd have been in at LEAST one, possibly two, in what will be twenty years. But instead of two Super Bowl appearances, the Skins have won a total of TWO playoff GAMES in that stretch (assuming we don't win a playoff game next year).

One playoff win every decade. That's what Redskins fans, at least those of us with a grip on reality, realize is the fate of the Redskins, especially with Dan Snyder at the "helm." (What a joke to even think of him as the captain of some ship.)

Seeing the Packers win it all yesterday really brings home how poorly the Skins are run. We are old, they are young. They can lose 15 guys to the IR and still recover and win a Super Bowl, even when they lose team captains and the 2009 defensive player of the year during the game. We lose one or two offensive linemen, like we do every year because we're old, and our offense and season goes in the tank.

For everything the Pack is - well-coached, young, hard-working, talented in almost every area - the Skins are not. There are probably five players on the Skins who fit the Packers mold, with London Fletcher being the best example. The others, the Fat Albert's and Donovan McNabb's (who couldn't be bothered to learn a playbook or adjust his game to suit the offense he was brought in to run) and Laron Landry's (who celebrates a common tackle like it's the birth of a child, even when his team is down by two TD's) are unfortunately the norm on OUR team.

Congrats, Pack. My Redskins? They ain't gettin' nowhere near the Super Bowl for a LONG time.

Posted by: johnwp | February 7, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse


Who knows? The owner/GM/coach chemistry is really unknown to all except the inner circle. A GM and coach are going to need at least 4 years to build a team -does Snyder have that kind of patience?

Posted by: leatherman1 | February 7, 2011 3:44 PM |
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no

Posted by: hessone | February 7, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

202c, yeah, good call on noting my lingering resentment at Grilliams' dismissal... it's a significant part of my disgust at the Zorn hiring.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

A joke where someone or something is getting beat up all the time and to find someplace where it would not get beaten up. THE ANSWER - THE REDSKINS THEY DON'T BEAT ANYBODY.

Posted by: wildbill925 | February 7, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, you have to have a franchise qb to get to the superbowl. So, when I am asked "when are the skins going to the the big one" my inclination is to simply say that when we are sure we have a franchise qb ask me again.

Therefore my answer is: Quit asking stupid questions.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | February 7, 2011 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't you understand that Snyder still meddles and still thinks he knows better than anybody else on everything and is a total liar about everything?
Or do you believe him when he says his PR people and lawyers told him he had to sue?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse
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I disagree. It appears that he's given Bruce Allen and Shanny the keys to the car, which is good. Now it's up to Shanny to put something good together.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 7, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"How long 'til the Redskins reach another Super Bowl?"


Let's see...when's the next Haley's Comet?

What year will my 4 year-old daughter turn 80?

Perhaps the 100th anniversary of the theatrical release of the first Godfather film?

Bottom line: don't hold your breath.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 7, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Give me the last 8 games of the Schottenheimer season, if we're talking about a team with nothing to play for that played impressively. One of the last lovable Redskin teams.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 5:06 PM

5-3 in the last eight games including wins over three cream puffs -- Arizona (twice) and New Orleans. And they did have something to play for. Three losses were to Dallas, Chicago, and Philadelphia. I think that if they'd won one of those three they would have been a wild card at 9-7.

But, yeah, Marty deserved a better deal than he got from Dan Snyder. He was headed in the right direction.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

and Laron Landry's (who celebrates a common tackle like it's the birth of a child, even when his team is down by two TD's) are unfortunately the norm on OUR team.
Posted by: johnwp

This is one of the aspects of the team culture that I'm hoping Shanny can change. Teaching men to behave like professionals is the mark of a good coach. Moss, who many consider a true Redskin, does the same sort of nonsense when he makes a first down. Even when we are down by twenty.

That said, I don't believe the past always dictates the future. It is possible that Snyder will learn something from his mistakes. If two uber-creeps like Steinbrenner and Angelos can do it, Danny Boy can.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 7, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I see Antwaan Randle-El had quite a game. Beautiful catches in a losing effort. But at least that effort was in the Super Bowl. Campbell will probably get there before the Redskins, as well. That would be sweet.

Posted by: edwcorey | February 7, 2011 4:55 PM

What's quite a game? 2 catches for 50 YDs and a 2 pt conversion against a depleted GB secondary. He was an embarrassment. Down 21-3 and catching a 9 YD pass and celebrating like he caught the game winner. He had 3 catches, 3 excessive celebrations and 1 brutal fair catch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Be honest with yourselves - there's no way they ever win as long as that idiot remains the owner. It's the way he is and he can't change his DNA. The only chance this team has is when he sells the team and it'll take about five years after he's gone to clean up that mess. And yeah, I've heard it for 12 something years now "I've made mistakes and promise to do better" and that lasts about two years before his pants itch so much he makes drastic changes, all in the name of marketing.

Just think about it, what it the identity of this team? How many offensive philosophies have they had during the L'il General's reign of error? So they've now changed the philosophy on D but within 3 years they'll head back to the 4-3.

Just remember the good times and hope the little man gets tired of being a public figure that's ridiculed across the country.

Posted by: Leofwine | February 7, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

There should have been five choices, not four.

Five would be-

Never or until Little Priick Danny sells the team.

Posted by: NyallsStJohnSmytheIV | February 7, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

After Shanahan's first year, seeing that even after Snyder did exactly what us fans had asked us to do - get a professional GM, ditch Vinny, and get an experienced coach - and to see that we suck pretty much just as much as we did last year - I'm resigned to be a fan of a team that won't get to the big one until it's time for me to collect Social Security.

Oh, yeah. Since I'm 39, I forgot that Social Security won't be around when it's time for me to collect. So my team won't get to the big one until ... darn!!!

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | February 7, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

From Chris Russel:

Have not heard back yet via text from #Redskins Santana Moss about rumor that skins will not even make an offer. Hard to fathom. Stay tuned...

I couldn't imagine them letting #89 go without even trying to keep him. He's the best we have.

Posted by: will_ga | February 7, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will never win another Super Bowl as long they have that terrible racist name. The great Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind will not allow it.

Posted by: logan9 | February 7, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Santana can go, in my opinion. Love him, but it's not going to break my heart to see him go. WRs are so far down my list of concerns, even if you subtract Santana.

It would be a bonus if he becomes a #2 or #3 contributing on a contending team, which would be immensely gratifying.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

logan9, Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind didn't use to be so politically correct, did they?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

logan9, Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind didn't use to be so politically correct, did they?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Logan, smoke a peace pipe and do a rain dance.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

If you're stealing poll ideas from Kevin Sheehan your career is in serious jeopardy.

Posted by: rev_ollie | February 7, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

logan9, Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind didn't use to be so politically correct, did they?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 7:31 PM

Apparently that had an epiphany in 1992.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

*they not that

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't imagine them letting #89 (Moss) go without even trying to keep him.


It signals to me they might be in the Holmes-Jackson-Rice market.

Or: they take the money a Holmes-Jackson-Rice would want, and add 2 second tier guys to go with AA and TA.

4 receivers of similiar quality are kinda sorta like what the packers put on the field every Sunday.

Thing is, we'd have to draft a quick thinking quarterback who is good throwing into centerfield and across the field to make such a change.

And this final point brings us back to C Ponder-J Locker

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 7, 2011 7:54 PM | Report abuse


here we go $nyder, here we go

here we go $nyder, here we go

Posted by: hessone | February 7, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

No, according to ESPN, they are the second oldest.
The oldest are your Washington Redskins.
Which shows you how far they have to go. They will never get to a SB with Danny in charge. And don't kid yourself - Danny still makes the major decisions on personnel. Allen is just an empty suit, hired to trade on his name and shill the tradition of the team and sell tickets. How soon do you think it will be that Shanny and Danny will be at each other's throats, if it hasn't happened already?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 4:42 PM |

Well jos587, thanks for the real inside info. It's nice to know that we here at RI have a bona fide inside man to tell us what's really going on. Oh wait, you don't know Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, and Mike Shanahan? You don't work for the Redskins? You mean you're talking out of your ass?

Also, by years end the Redskins were NOT the oldest team in the NFL.

I love it when people come up here and talk like they know what they are talking about yet are really clueless a holes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will never win another Super Bowl as long they have that terrible racist name. The great Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind will not allow it.

Posted by: logan9 | February 7, 2011 7:25 PM |

Where were the great Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind for the first 3?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I love it when people come up here and talk like they know what they are talking about yet are really clueless a holes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:24 PM

Don't you wish it would happen more often? Don't be a stranger, jos587. We really crave the type of inside knowledge you bring us.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Where were the great Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind for the first 3?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:27 PM

As I recall we weren't the Redskins then. Didn't we have a different name before the devil Snyder changed it? The Washington Generics?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

No, according to ESPN, they are the second oldest.
The oldest are your Washington Redskins.
Which shows you how far they have to go. They will never get to a SB with Danny in charge. And don't kid yourself - Danny still makes the major decisions on personnel. Allen is just an empty suit, hired to trade on his name and shill the tradition of the team and sell tickets. How soon do you think it will be that Shanny and Danny will be at each other's throats, if it hasn't happened already?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 4:42 PM |

Well jos587, thanks for the real inside info. It's nice to know that we here at RI have a bona fide inside man to tell us what's really going on. Oh wait, you don't know Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen, and Mike Shanahan? You don't work for the Redskins? You mean you're talking out of your ass?

Also, by years end the Redskins were NOT the oldest team in the NFL.

I love it when people come up here and talk like they know what they are talking about yet are really clueless a holes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah jos587 is the new PFT/Adam Shefty rolled into one...

Posted by: skinswillwin | February 7, 2011 8:33 PM | Report abuse

How soon do you think it will be that Shanny and Danny will be at each other's throats, if it hasn't happened already?

Posted by: jos587 | February 7, 2011 4:42 PM

If they were at each others throats, I don't think for a second Danny would hesitate to get rid of him.

Posted by: will_ga | February 7, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Where were the great Earth Mother and Father Spirit Wind for the first 3?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse
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Drunk on Firewater at Mohegan Sun.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 7, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Mayock: As many as nine defensive ends could go in the first


Posted by Evan Silva on February 7, 2011, 8:28 PM EST


NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock has been following the postseason all-star game circuit over the past several weeks, making stops in Orlando for the East-West Shrine, Mobile for the Senior Bowl, and San Antonio for the NFLPA game (formerly “Texas vs. Nation”). Mayock appeared on Total Access Monday evening for an update on the most talented position in this year’s draft class.

It’s defensive end by a long shot. Mayock projected as many as nine defensive ends being drafted in the first round, adding “You’re certainly gonna see seven or eight.”

Mayock pinpointed Clemson’s Da’Quan Bowers as the cream of this year’s crop, calling him a “top-five pick” with the potential to go No. 1 overall to the Panthers.

Added Mayock of Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt, “He’s a beast. He’s a first-round pick.” Mayock says he just finished watching tape on Watt, and ranked the onetime Central Michigan tight end as the premier 3-4 defensive end in the 2011 class. Cal’s Cameron Jordan and Ohio State’s Cameron Heyward are second and third, respectively.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 7, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe Shanahan is capable of building a Super Bowl team.

Posted by: dcjazzman | February 7, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Mayock pinpointed Clemson’s Da’Quan Bowers as the cream of this year’s crop, calling him a “top-five pick” with the potential to go No. 1 overall to the Panthers.
Added Mayock of Wisconsin defensive end J.J. Watt, “He’s a beast. He’s a first-round pick.” Mayock says he just finished watching tape on Watt, and ranked the onetime Central Michigan tight end as the premier 3-4 defensive end in the 2011 class. Cal’s Cameron Jordan and Ohio State’s Cameron Heyward are second and third, respectively.
Posted by: beep-beep

I drool at the prospect of drafting any one of these monsters in the first. NT in the second, and save QB for '12, unless someone good slips to a late round.

You need both strength and quickness, but quickness has become more important for DE's in the modern game. If it were just strength, Daniels and Carriker would be two of the best. They ain't.

Posted by: NYPDee | February 7, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

If the Vikes move west than they will be my team. Left DC for the military in 1995. Watched the Skins in every bar possible all over. Dan Synder ruined all that was good with team. Its the toliet bowl of the NFL.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I still have the feeling we go with Cam Newton in the 1st round.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

If the Vikes move west than they will be my team. Left DC for the military in 1995. Watched the Skins in every bar possible all over. Dan Synder ruined all that was good with team. Its the toliet bowl of the NFL.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

So who is your team now? The Ravens?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

If the Vikes move west than they will be my team. Left DC for the military in 1995. Watched the Skins in every bar possible all over. Dan Synder ruined all that was good with team. Its the toliet bowl of the NFL.

Posted by: tomass169 | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM
Thanks for taking the time to post that for all of us. We'll feel much better knowing your a Viqueens fan.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

RI Poll: How many rushing yards for Torain in 2011?

A. 500-700
B. 701- 900
C. 901- 1100
D. 1100 +

I say D

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I still have the feeling we go with Cam Newton in the 1st round.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM

You have a better change of catching on with the cast of glee. We're not taking a QB at #10. Maybe at 41, but Newtown will gone.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

love santana "my manna" moss but at his age and prob salary can walk. As for shanny, I say give him more than a year. We did show improvement, but critics just want to focus on #5 and #92. People may hate snyder but half the people on here think just like him, how many times have the names vjax,champ,mankins,ngata,nmandi,etc been mentioned as must gets this year. Rebuilding takes patience but peeps want a SB team now and want to get younger at same time.

Posted by: hcic55 | February 7, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I still have the feeling we go with Cam Newton in the 1st round.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:37 PM

You have a better change of catching on with the cast of glee. We're not taking a QB at #10. Maybe at 41, but Newtown will gone.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Well SunnyMcSunshine, who do we draft in the 1st round? BTW I have the dance moves but not the singing voice for Glee. That's just crazy Diesel.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

f'ing autospell

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

here think just like him, how many times have the names vjax,champ,mankins,ngata,nmandi,etc been mentioned as must gets this year. Rebuilding takes patience but peeps want a SB team now and want to get younger at same time.

Posted by: hcic55 | February 7, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I know right! If we go after FA I think Bruce Allen goes for the smaller names.

He did make some good choices with Brown, Carriker and Anthony Bryant.

It was nice to see Torain, Armstrong, Banks and K. Will come into their own.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Well SunnyMcSunshine, who do we draft in the 1st round? BTW I have the dance moves but not the singing voice for Glee. That's just crazy Diesel.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:48 PM

Here's this weeks defensive player of note...Cory Liuget DT/DE/NT. Versatile and a beast on the DLine.

Posted by: TWISI | February 7, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

If I had my way we would take another offensive lineman in the 1st round.

But then again I like Glee, so what do I know?

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I still have the feeling we go with Cam Newton in the 1st round.

And as much as I'd like to snag a NT-DT-D-end in round 1, I feel the same way.

Modern NFL offenses are built around quarterbacks, not past fears of guys who failed in the first round years ago.

If teams eschewed drafting at a position because of past failure, the Chargers would've avoided drafting P Rivers after the R Leaf fiasco and the Colts P Manning after the J George bombination.

Heath Shuler, Pat Ramsey, and Jason Campbell all don't pan out in D.C., and the fanbase gets hives at the thought of securing an elite player at the position of quarterback.

Campbell might be better than we think just like Ramsey and Shuler were as bad as they eventually proved to be.

Some Redskin fans believe that in a quarterback driven league, you can get by with some chucklehead nobody quarterback drafted in round 6 (lightning only hit the Pats, fellas, and then only once).

We've endured Green, Brunell, George, Wuerfuel, Matthews, Banks, Hostetler, Ferotte, all in the name 'journeyman, not a #1 pick'--and that hasn't really worked out for us either, ya' know.

So maybe this time around Newton, Mallett, Locker satisfy.

We'll never move forward if all we do is invest in fears from the past.

Especially, if this time around, we're lucky enough to get hit by ligthning and find the right guy.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 7, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Exactly Moe.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

We see a black Auburn QB and automatically think of the deer in the headlights that is Soup.

I imagine the pocket breaking down and Cam rushing for a 40 yard gain.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

The key to answering this question is how long will Snyder own the club?

Posted by: Redskinrex | February 7, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

moe, ih8, I'm resigned to what I think is the likelihood that we'll pick a kid QB with our top pick, with the plan being to dump Donovan, start Rex and have the kid on clipboard duty... until Rex has led us safely out of playoff contention and/or completely stunk up the joint and they let the kid start.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 7, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of defense

Carriker- Bryant - Jarmon?

?- Fletcher- ?- Orakpo

Hall Rogers

Landry Barnes

I think we will draft a rush linebacker, but not in the 1st. A reliable inside backer can be had in FA.

Free safety might be an issue.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

We see a black Auburn QB and automatically think of the deer in the headlights that is Soup.


I still don't think the Jason Campbell story is just finished.

I say if he gets another year in the same syste sme semblance of upfront blocking and a running game, he improves to where even his East Coast critics start thinking, "WTF?".

"Did Shanny mis-read McNabb AND Campbell?

Posted by: gimmesummoe | February 7, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of defense

Carriker- Bryant - Jarmon?

?- Fletcher- ?- Orakpo

Hall Rogers

Landry Barnes

I think we will draft a rush linebacker, but not in the 1st. A reliable inside backer can be had in FA.

Free safety might be an issue.


Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 10:37 PM |

Hear me out here...first off I wouldn't go pencilling in Barnes just yet. 2nd...and this is the iffy part...we know One Man Gang didn't do very well as an OLB because he wasn't quite quick enough in cover. It wasn't that he couldn't learn the position or wasn't a gamer. So why couldn't he play ILB? They play the run and passes over the middle. There's not a whole lot of covering guys in the flats. I think that could be his position. Having said that, it would be nice to see guys used to playing a position play their position. Like Barnes...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 10:37 PM |

Hear me out here...first off I wouldn't go pencilling in Barnes just yet. 2nd...and this is the iffy part...we know One Man Gang didn't do very well as an OLB because he wasn't quite quick enough in cover. It wasn't that he couldn't learn the position or wasn't a gamer. So why couldn't he play ILB? They play the run and passes over the middle. There's not a whole lot of covering guys in the flats. I think that could be his position. Having said that, it would be nice to see guys used to playing a position play their position. Like Barnes...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I would be fine with LoAx playing inside backer. He is good at a lot but not really great at one thing, except crushing opposing kick returners.

He is one that's really hard to figure out.

Barnes: I think he's great. I know it's a small sample size, but he's physical and the int against Jax was clutch.

Who knows, people always talk about a prototypical size for a position. Barnes is small for FS, but Banks is small by any standard, much less an NFL standard.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 7, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Never as long as Daniel "Angry Midget" Snyder is alive.

Posted by: nativedc | February 7, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

How the F are the Cowboys 8-1 favs to win the SB next year?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I'll put a few bucks against that one.

Posted by: msrent | February 7, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

At least 3 years for a playoff run and 5 years minimum for a SB run, and that assumes everything goes right. Need to develop a young quarterback, which will take a few years considering there are no Sam Bradfords available this year; maybe we wait until we crater next year and grab Luck. Need to rebuild nearly the entire defense -- outside of Landry and Orapko, all positions are needed to convert to a 3-4, which will be a minimum of 4 years; need to develop a deeper wide receiver corps, about 3-4 years. Running backs are easier to come by. Allow for 2 or 3 seasons to make a move and gel into a SB caliber team.

Add a year for each egg we lay in the draft or a bonehead free agent signing. The Redskins struggles with building a competitive team since 1991 make what teams like New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay remarkable. As an NFL fan, I hope the CBA is worked out and there is a season; as a Redkins fan, the best thing is for 2011 to get canceled.

But hey it's the offseason, and no one --and I mean no one - can match us.

Posted by: haunches | February 7, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

My guess, coaching changes are going to make the "most talented team in football" realize their potential. Again, I'll risk a few against.

Posted by: msrent | February 7, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

How the F are the Cowboys 8-1 favs to win the SB next year?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2011 11:48

America's Team dude. Now excuse me while I stick my finger down my throat.

Posted by: bones21 | February 7, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

RE: Snyder, I think he has stepped away to some degree. I think he had his hands in getting McNabb, based on the way the Shanny's handled him, didn't seem to be who they wanted. But, I think he'll be hands off for 1-2 years. Mike S better get something done by then (not necessarily Superbowl, but playoffs) Danny aint very patient. Superbowl, that's another question, I have never been a Shanahan fan. From what I saw last year from junior, I think he has all the arrogance, less of the talent than pappa once had. They will be in the playoffs, Superbowl might take awhile.

Posted by: msrent | February 8, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

While watching the pre-game salute to the military, I noticed Gibbs standing next to McNabb and got an inspiration for the 2011 off-season blockbuster move. Joe calls Danny and says "If I would have had Donovan, we would have won four straight Super Bowls." Danny once again persuades Joe to come out of retirement, Joe gets the old gang back together again, installs Donovan at QB and the Redskins embark on an annual Super Bowl run that never ends. Oh well, back to reality. I don't expect the Redskins to win another Super Bowl in my lifetime, so I'll lower my expectations and hope for a one and done wild card playoff appearance. That's all I want.

Posted by: scg1055 | February 8, 2011 1:56 AM | Report abuse

At this point we need the following starters 2WRs, 1QB, 3OLs, 3DLs, CB, LB a FS and a kicker. Plus we need 10-15 quality back-ups. But if we sign and draft extremely well, we could be competitive in 3 years.

Posted by: adrian7 | February 8, 2011 3:51 AM | Report abuse

From this we can safely conclude two things:

1) Elway made Shanahan, not the other way around.

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 7, 2011 3:08 PM


And based on this post I can conclude two things about you:

1) You'll make stats say whatever you want them to say

2) You lack reasoning skills and objectivity

Seriously...to say that "Elway made Shanahan" is at best assinine, especially when you take into account that prior to becoming the HC in Denver, Shanahan was there as Elway's QB coach and subsequently his OC (he was the OC in Denver when we lit them up in the SB 42-10). So there was a prior relationship and one could make the case that Elway is a HoF QB in large part because of Shanahan's influence.

Secondly, you overlook the fact that Shanahan had SB success as an assistant before Elway. He coached the Niners offense to SB in '94 and helped Steve Young put up one of his best seasons. Oh, did I mention Elway was 0-3 in SBs before Shanahan came in as HC?

Plus, in the wake of Elway's retirement Shanahan also lost guys like Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, and Neil Smith. So it's not like Elway was the only missing ingredient...that whole team got blown up for a variety of reasons.

The whole "he doesn't deserve credit for 2 SB wins because he had a HoF QB" argument is idiotic if you don't put a similar asterisk next to Belichick for winning 3 with Brady, Noll for winning 4 with Bradshaw, or Lombardi for winning multiple titles with HoFers at damn near every position.

So whatever you think of him personally, Shanahan is a fine coach. His problem towards the end of his run in Denver (and likely the life of his term in Washington) was that Shanahan the GM was undermining the efforts of Shanahan the coach.

But hey...that's just me applying common sense. You're obviously more an empty stats kinda guy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Nice post, brownwood. You need to copy it someplace and save yourself from re-writing it. You could re-use it twice a week up here with the pudding brains that can't accept the fact that Shanahan won two super bowls.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Haha, right Beep...I'll never understand why Shanahan is the only guy who gets an asterisk next to his titles just because of a HoF QB. Most of the guys that have won multiple SBs had a HoF QB...not sure why they get a pass and Shanahan doesn't.

Funny thing is, I'm not even a Shanahan fan...I'm just put in a position to look like one because I defend him against this foolish lack of logic and common sense. Boggles the mind, really...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 6:41 AM | Report abuse


SB comercials have gone to hell in a hand basket. can't think of one that was really funny, with the exception of the couple on their first date. dude was thinking, will she sleep with me, will she sleep with me.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 6:46 AM | Report abuse

I know he's far from popular up here, but Whitlock has a pretty good column about the SB this week:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-super-bowl-victory-is-not-good-over-evil-020711

Love this line: "(Ted) Thompson’s victory is so sweet and obvious that even Redskins owner Daniel Snyder will think twice before trying to Jerry Jones his way to a Lombardi Trophy."

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 7:13 AM | Report abuse

hessone--

SB commercials were awesome. Can't think of funny ones? Off the top of my head I'm going with all the Chevy commercials, Groupon, the monkeys in the parking lot, the Doritos dog, the Bridgestone beaver, Bud with the dogs, the CarMax commercials. Loved the Chrysler Detroit ad with Eminem. The Stella Artois was okay, too.

Not sure what you idea of a good commercial is, but you seem to be aligned with TheCork.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 7:14 AM | Report abuse


Not sure what you idea of a good commercial is, but you seem to be aligned with TheCork.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 7:14 AM |
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beep, just thinking these new adds can't hold a candle to the ones in prior years. must be because I'm getting to be an old man.


Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse

must be because I'm getting to be an old man.

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 7:29 AM


DING, DING, DING! Show him what he's won!

On a much smaller scale, I've felt the same way...but I recognize that I'm the one that's changed and not necessarily the ads.

Before, Super Bowl commercials just kind of evolved into a big deal. Now people hype them up incessantly to the point that they couldn't possibly live up to the hype. The only ad that made me LOL was the E-trade baby. The rest were just a'ight to me...although I recognize them as humorous.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

if we happen to have a strike shortened season this year our odds go way up for making the Super Bowl this coming year. We won it all the 2 previous shortened seasons.

Posted by: scottmando1 | February 8, 2011 7:42 AM | Report abuse


if we happen to have a strike shortened season this year our odds go way up for making the Super Bowl this coming year. We won it all the 2 previous shortened seasons.

Posted by: scottmando1 | February 8, 2011 7:42 AM |
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RI peeps will go into toxic shock if there's a strike or lockout. can you imagine fall without football ? it'd be like trying to eat a salad without the salad dressing

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Good read about the impact of the Rooney Rule...I thought it was interesting and I know RedDMV and some others up here will too:

http://www.thepostgame.com/interviews/201102/how-much-has-rooney-rule-helped-black-coaches-nfl#

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

if we happen to have a strike shortened season this year our odds go way up for making the Super Bowl this coming year. We won it all the 2 previous shortened seasons.

Posted by: scottmando1 | February 8, 2011 7:42 AM


If only it were that simple...Shanahan is no Joe Gibbs and he's certainly not Bobby Beathard either. If the NFL has to resort to "scabs" again, I doubt we're the team getting the cream of the 3rd rate crop this time around. I'd count on teams like the Colts, Packers, and Steelers doing well in that circumstance...not necessarily us.

Plus, we had good veteran leadership keeping the team together during the strike so they'd be sharp when they came back. I could see guys like McNabb and Fletcher doing that, but McNabb is presumably on the way out and Fletcher is only one year into this defense. A big reason for our strike season success came from continuity...which we don't really have this time around.

Besides...unlike in the 80s, the NFL is now a multi-billion dollar enterprise. Chances are, they'll get a deal done long before the time comes for games to be played. Too much at stake for both sides for it not to...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The only ad that made me LOL was the E-trade baby.

Congrats--you took the Packers to win.

E Trade baby: I have my moments.

Well, you also said Obama would bounce back along with the economy.

E Trade baby: That one hit me while I wiped doo doo on the bathroom wall.

I guess pleasurable moments always ease your prognostications.

E Trade Baby: Something like that.

Any tips for investors?

E Trade Baby: Buy stock in companies that fire workers and don't produce anything as that's what makes them profitable.

Where's the little black baby you hang out with?

E Trade Baby: It's his history month and he's pissed that he only has 28 days to feel good about himself.

What was on your mind when you took Auburn over Oregon?

E Trade Baby: Mommie's tits.

What's your prediction for Cam Newton?

E Trade Baby: That once he's drafted, his father will get more money than any Auburn booster could ever give him.

How's the potty training coming slong?

E Trade Baby: I'm like Mubarack.

Once I get on the potty, it's hard for me to leave.

And it'll be someone else's job to clean up the mess I leave behind once I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

RI peeps will go into toxic shock if there's a strike or lockout. can you imagine fall without football ? it'd be like trying to eat a salad without the salad dressing

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Sure, but look at the positives:

-beep wouldn't be wrong about his player evaluations
-no more 'New Soupster sucks, Old Soup's cum tastes like chocolate' from pabrainiac
-the Optimism Bus gets a chance to rest before we break out the Pessimism Pinto by mid-season
-we wouldn't have to hear PA's 24-20 predictions every week

SAVE THE OLD MEN!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 8:26 AM | Report abuse

If only it were that simple...Shanahan is no Joe Gibbs and he's certainly not Bobby Beathard either. If the NFL has to resort to "scabs" again, I doubt we're the team getting the cream of the 3rd rate crop this time around.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 8:14 AM | Report abuse

We'd have to hit the state penetentiaries again, that QB could play! Think they'll make another movie about us?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

-we wouldn't have to hear PA's 24-20 predictions every week

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 8:26 AM

True dat...thought there was a chance I might have finally nailed it sunday when it was 21-17...oh well I'll tune up the number crunching machine over the offseason and see what pops out...but I'm done with 24-20!

BTW thanks for the Depends for the way home sunday...sure is a long ride from the monestary!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Where's the little black baby you hang out with?

E Trade Baby: It's his history month and he's pissed that he only has 28 days to feel good about himself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 8:23 AM

I'd be totally stunned if Red doesn't come up here with a profanity-laced tirade directed at you for that one. I'm not easily offended, but even I had to pause on that one...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm not easily offended,...

Offense is not meant.

Besides, February is only 28 days and it is Black History Month--a time set aside to remember the varied accomplishments of African Americans.

Where is the meanness in that truth?

Laugh a little, please.

Whoever wrote that joke is mad funny.

Isn't he?

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I was informed by the elder iH8 (iH8newyork), that after 49 years we will not be renewing our season tickets.

We are boycotting $nyder.

Because of this the Redskins will host a playoff game this year.

Book it!

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 8:52 AM | Report abuse

We'd have to hit the state penetentiaries again, that QB could play! Think they'll make another movie about us?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 8:29 AM

Good idea monk...I'd take either Keanu Reeves, Adam Sandler or Burt Reynolds over Rex anyways.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The rest were just a'ight to me...

Posted by: brownwood26


Time. Out.

brown with a use of "a'ight"?

Embrace the homeboy jive lingo. Like having the privilege to talk with Tim Tebow for five minutes, it'll make you a better person.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I was informed by the elder iH8 (iH8newyork), that after 49 years we will not be renewing our season tickets.

We are boycotting $nyder.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 8:52 AM

I see Blackouts in our future.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting this:


I'd be totally stunned if Red doesn't...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 8:42 AM

Then:
RedDMV | February 8, 2011 8:54 AM

Other than an oracle, who predicts that someone might show up, and then the guys does just a few minutes later?

Maybe somebody is the same guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey I listen to 630AM here in DC, watch Fox News sometimmes, and laugh at jokes directed at black people on Family Guy.


"I vill hear no more insinuations about the German people. Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult Germany. (Throws his hand up in a Hitler salute.)"


WHITE POWER!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 9:05 AM | Report abuse

LOL Moe...first of all, I didn't say I was offended...just said it gave me pause. I know you didn't mean anything by it, just thought it was worth pointing out though.

Second, considering some of the blog battles between Red and I over the last couple years, I'd have to be the highest level of bipolar to carry on those kind of heated debates with myself. So rest assured that Red and I very different people indeed.

Red, I'll go urban dictionary ever so often...just not usually in print form. That was more of a dig at Randy Jackson's standard American Idol "critique" than anything else...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

BTW thanks for the Depends for the way home sunday...sure is a long ride from the monestary!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

I hope you washed your sock puppets really well, not a pretty sight!

You're predictions are fine, it's the little bit of normalsy in this chaotic place.

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I was informed by the elder iH8 (iH8newyork), that after 49 years we will not be renewing our season tickets.

We are boycotting $nyder.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 8:52 AM

What a family where Mama named all her babies iH8, but had them by different fathers.

Sounds like you should be changing your last name -- iH8Washington or iH8$nyder.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

You could re-use it twice a week up here with the pudding brains that can't accept the fact that Shanahan won two super bowls.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 6:31 AM

Those are probably the same pudding brains that can't accept the fact that we have TWO (not one, but TWO!!) QBs on the roster who led their teams to Super Bowls.... we're on our way!

Yaaaaay to past glory with another team!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 9:15 AM | Report abuse

QBs on the roster who led their teams to Super Bowls.... we're on our way!

Yaaaaay to past glory with another team!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 9:15 AM

and lost.

So is today the day the Eagles fire Andy Reid and announce that Gruden will be taking over?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

red, we get you signed up with the NRA, and the PTA, and you're like a full fledged member of....wait...were you being serious??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow...just saw that Vegas already gives Dallas 8 to 1 odds at winning next year's Super Bowl. Nice to see there's a better way to steal money than the convention "gun and mask" routine...

Seriously...I have a better chance at getting HIV from Rock Hudson's ashes than Dall-ass winning a championship in 2011...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

What a family where Mama named all her babies iH8, but had them by different fathers.

Sounds like you should be changing your last name -- iH8Washington or iH8$nyder.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

iH8dukepricks

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree. Shannahan wants to win sooner rather than later. So I doubt he takes a QB who many see as a project.

He'll take a player who will have an immediate impact for this team starting from Week 1.

Cam's gonna take some time.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 8, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

iH8dukepricks

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 9:24 AM

I thought you Glee guys loved all the pricks you could get?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I have to disagree. Shannahan wants to win sooner rather than later. So I doubt he takes a QB who many see as a project.

Posted by: Devo2 | February 8, 2011 9:26 AM

Shanahan played Cutler as a rookie. Of course, maybe he learned how long it takes to develop a QB.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:32 AM | Report abuse

and lost.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 9:21 AM

Yes, and John Elway was 0-3 in the Super Bowl before Shanahan led him to the promised land.

We now have a QBs tandem on the roster which is a combined 0-2 in the Super Bowl. Just add Shanahan and mix!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Feel sorry for the 400 fans that got screwed by Jerry Jones and the NFL--not having the added benches up to code on time was pure negligence.

If the Redskins made it to the Super Bowl and I drove for miles and put up with large crowds to find out my seat was not available, you'd see a grown man cry like a baby...especially after the 15 years or so of hell we've had to endure as fans.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Exactly two days after Hell freezes over.

Posted by: joeblotnik49 | February 8, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Those are probably the same pudding brains that can't accept the fact that we have TWO (not one, but TWO!!) QBs on the roster who led their teams to Super Bowls.... we're on our way!

Yaaaaay to past glory with another team!


Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 9:15 AM

Wow...I'll give you a few minutes to come up with the critical difference between McNabb and Grossman's respective trips to the SB and Shanahan's.

You never cease to amaze me, Alan. At least you're consistent...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Feel sorry for the 400 fans that got screwed by Jerry Jones and the NFL--not having the added benches up to code on time was pure negligence.


Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 9:35 AM

I think they made out pretty well. They're getting triple the price of the tickets back plus tickets and expenses for next year's Super Bowl. If they don't want to go, they can scalp those tix for $5000. Plus they still have the option to sue for more.

They watched the game on TV, same as they would have done if they hadn't gone, and they got free food and beverages while they watched. And the seats they didn't get to sit in were big time sucky -- folding chairs far from the action.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Yeah beep, because I like Glee I must be anxiously awaiting a gangbang from the lacrosse team.

Posted by: iH8dallas | February 8, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

thats pretty gross if true...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Go figure, the most watched SB ever was the only one without cheerleaders. I think most of the viewers must have been women or gay people. That's most of the people in here right? We're out-numbered PA!

By the way, do we have a woman or gay sock puppet?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

By the way, do we have a woman or gay sock puppet?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 9:53 AM |

Women sock puppets: Risa_L and JesusFreakKaran.
Gay sock puppet: I♥Glee

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

pick a winner:

a. I have a better chance at getting HIV from Rock Hudson's ashes than Dall-ass winning a championship in 2011...


b. I thought you Glee guys loved all the pricks you could get?


c. Where's the little black baby you hang out with?...It's his history month and he's pissed that he only has 28 days to feel good about himself.


d. all three are offensive

Moe rolls with 'd'.

Why?: the lines are funny and I like to laugh when I'm not high.

And when I'm high, I like to laugh even louder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I think they made out pretty well. They're getting triple the price of the tickets back plus tickets and expenses for next year's Super Bowl.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:45 AM


Not that cut and dry, dude...if you're a Steeler or Packer fan, who gives a crap about going to NEXT year's SB if your team isn't in it? What if one of us plunked down big money to see the Skins play in the SB, get hosed, then have to get stuck in Indy to see Cowboys/Ravens? There would be hell to pay and it would end up right on Goodell's doorstep.

They totally screwed the pooch on that...so unless they're giving up full refunds with interest, I'm not sure how you can fully placate the folks that came to see Packers/Steelers in the strip club capital of the world and will have to settle for what will likely be a lesser matchup played next to a corn field in Indiana...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah, beans. Got my F-150, with my Hank Williams, and my can of copenhagen. I'm legit and certified!


Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

By the way, do we have a woman or gay sock puppet?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 9:53 AM

Not yet...how much longer until you get hessone (hessone) to join the SPG?

Did brown just call a Cowboys/Ravens Superbowl next year?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I think they made out pretty well. They're getting triple the price of the tickets back plus tickets and expenses for next year's Super Bowl. If they don't want to go, they can scalp those tix for $5000. Plus they still have the option to sue for more.

They watched the game on TV, same as they would have done if they hadn't gone, and they got free food and beverages while they watched. And the seats they didn't get to sit in were big time sucky -- folding chairs far from the action.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:45 AM

Dude, I'm a practical man and for all intents and purposes and the reimbursement would be sufficient on a tangible level. But not being able to see your team live (not on TV) in the Super Bowl is an intangible experience that has no price--or am I being gay about this?

I don’t know beeps, I’d be f-ing pissed if that happened to me. Might even go Jarred/Jarod what’s-his-face from Tucson on the event staff (hum, maybe I'm not as practical as I think I am).

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I'll give you a few minutes to come up with the critical difference between McNabb and Grossman's respective trips to the SB and Shanahan's.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:42 AM

Lemme see... their trips to the Super Bowl took place AFTER the Clinton administration?

AFTER Michael Jordan's last championship?

AFTER Barry Sanders retired?

AFTER Mike Tyson's last win?

AFTER 9/11?


Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Good to have confidence with who you are and all that, but there are somethings that you shouldn't admit to in a public setting.

Like love for songs that mite get your man card revoked. I know I have some, and I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

What if one of us plunked down big money to see the Skins play in the SB, get hosed, then have to get stuck in Indy to see Cowboys/Ravens? There would be hell to pay and it would end up right on Goodell's doorstep.

They totally screwed the pooch on that...so unless they're giving up full refunds with interest, I'm not sure how you can fully placate the folks that came to see Packers/Steelers in the strip club capital of the world and will have to settle for what will likely be a lesser matchup played next to a corn field in Indiana...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM

Brown--

Some people you can never "fully placated." As for me, I'd be "placated" by the package that they are offering - particularly tickets that I can scalp for $5,000.

I'm willing to admit that it may just be me because I'd never pay anything to watch at football game in a stadium that I could watch for free on a TV.

So, I think what they've offered is a fair settlement, but the people still have the right to sue in a court of law if they want more. If you're on the jury they'd get more. If I'm on the jury they wouldn't.

Where's learnedhand when we need a legal opinion?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about the 400 peeps that didn't have seats...they're probably aholes anyway.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah, beans. Got my F-150, with my Hank Williams, and my can of copenhagen. I'm legit and certified!


Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM

Come pick me up partner; I'll get the Coors Light...I know a nice little place outside Blackstone you'd love.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah, beans. Got my F-150, with my Hank Williams, and my can of copenhagen. I'm legit and certified!

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM

Come pick me up partner; I'll get the Coors Light...I know a nice little place outside Blackstone you'd love.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 10:12 AM

Yeah I bet Red's got a real pretty mouth.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I don’t know beeps, I’d be f-ing pissed if that happened to me. Might even go Jarred/Jarod what’s-his-face from Tucson on the event staff (hum, maybe I'm not as practical as I think I am).

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 10:02 AM

smokey -- I would have an anger management challenge myself. I agree on that. But once it happens, you have to ask how much it would take to make you say "Well, that wasn't so bad." For me, what they're offering seems like enough. Others might want a new car -- or a new pick-up. To each his own, and they all have the right to sue for that.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Fact: The AFC is superior to the NFC.

Truth: Excluding the Steelers come from behind win against the Cardinals, the NFC is the league taking home the Lombardi Trophy.

Why is that?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

...so unless they're giving up full refunds with interest...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 9:58 AM

I heard on the radio this am they're giving triple the face value of the ticket back, in addition to making them "NFL guests" at the next SB.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Why is that?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:16 AM

Can you put this in the form of a Coin Toss question?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

can you imagine fall without football ? it'd be like trying to eat a salad without the salad dressing


I'd say no football in the fall would be more like having the kind of salad that requires syrup or jelly and tastes nothing like 1,000 island but smells vaguely of blue cheese.

Posted by: will_ga | February 8, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Fact: The AFC is superior to the NFC.

Truth: Excluding the Steelers come from behind win against the Cardinals, the NFC is the league taking home the Lombardi Trophy.

Why is that?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Because there are several teams in the NFC that decided to blow everything up and rebuild about 5 years ago and now is when their strategy is starting to pay off. Atlanta and Tampa are going to get better and so are the Lions and Rams. Who in the AFC decided to rebuild? The Chiefs and Jaguars come to mind but not too many others. The rest of the teams seem to keep trying to hang on to what they already have.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about the 400 peeps that didn't have seats...they're probably aholes anyway.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:11 AM

They were the type of people that you identify with -- nerds.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

smokey -- I would have an anger management challenge myself. I agree on that. But once it happens, you have to ask how much it would take to make you say "Well, that wasn't so bad." For me, what they're offering seems like enough. Others might want a new car -- or a new pick-up. To each his own, and they all have the right to sue for that.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:15 AM

You and I are both right on this. Hey, to each his own. Anyway, here's to the Skins making the Super Bowl soon.

Cheers!

Posted by: smokeybear2 | February 8, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I'd say no football in the fall would be more like having the kind of salad that requires syrup or jelly and tastes nothing like 1,000 island but smells vaguely of blue cheese.

Posted by: will_ga | February 8, 2011 10:21 AM

What you're describing here is what we'll have: NCAA football. War Eagle!

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

tastes nothing like 1,000 island but smells vaguely of blue cheese.

Posted by: will_ga | February 8, 2011 10:21 AM

Tastes just like it smells....delicious!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Like love for songs that mite get your man card revoked. I know I have some, and I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 10:05 AM


What? Friends sing "Endless Love" in the dark...

Beep, I just think it's a raw deal if the best case scenario for getting shafted at the SB is selling my tix illegally for 4 times the face value. It puts the onus back on the ticketholder instead of the league for screwing it up. You or someone else might be OK with that...for me, I'd raise Cain over it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 10:28 AM | Report abuse

thats a good start red, need to get some nascar stickers on that truck...maybe a body lift for it as well, some mickey thompson tires perhaps....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan17

Because there are several teams in the NFC that decided to blow everything up and rebuild about 5 years ago and now is when their strategy is starting to pay off.

Excellent response, sir.

I agree: the Super winning NFC teams re-styled themselves as passing teams with stud defenses.

The AFC teams have the passing, but not the defenses come championship time.

This means that in D.C., we must build a solid passing team and monstah defense.

And the day that happens, we get our answer to the coin toss question about when the Redskins will win a Super Bowl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

So, brownwood, what do you think would be a fair settlement?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Lemme see... their trips to the Super Bowl took place AFTER the Clinton administration?

AFTER Michael Jordan's last championship?

AFTER Barry Sanders retired?

AFTER Mike Tyson's last win?

AFTER 9/11?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 10:03 AM

Boy, you must HATE Joe Gibbs then...all his SBs happened during the Reagan/Bush administrations...

And that sub-.500 record in his return...that won't do at all. Plus he never won a SB without the Hogs, so how good could he really be anyway?

I'm still trying to figure out why that Lombardi clown has his own play...he had Hall of Famers at almost every position so he basically got carried by Bart Starr and like 15 other superstars.

Don Shula? Way overrated. He had a bunch of HoFers on his undefeated team and couldn't win the big one with Marino. How he got in the HoF is beyond me.

Hey, you know Alan? This tearing down other people's accomplishments thing is actually pretty fun. You might be on to something!

*end sarcasm*

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

So, brownwood, what do you think would be a fair settlement?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:35 AM

I think the only fair thing to do would be to play the Superbowl over again this sunday. Free beer at beep's house!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Gay sock puppet: I♥Glee

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

You know you're right! I should have recognized the tie-dyed rainbow color of the puppet!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Over the past 3-4 seasons, a new NFC team arises to play on the big game while the AFC sends a steady diet of Pats, Colts, Stillers:

Nawlins, Green Bay, Arizona, Chicago, New York, Philly, Carolina


So, who should we keep an eye on in 2011?:

Atlanta?

I 'd say, Yeah, 2011 just might be the Falcons turn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

DANNO is still a very young man. When he gains the sagacity of old age......maybe. Frankly, I can't see him ever aging as well as JACK KENT COOKE who was pretty stupid in football terms as a youngster himself. So there is hope in thirty or so years unless we get new ownership like the community-PACK or the ROONEY's in STEEL-town before then.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This tearing down other people's accomplishments thing is actually pretty fun. You might be on to something!


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 10:37 AM

Not tearing them down, putting it in perspective. I respect past accomplishments a great deal. Hagler and Holyfield remain 2 of my favorite boxers--but one knew when to walk away from the game and the other doesn't.

But I do find it telling that everyone you mentioned in your post (by way of comparison to Shananan) is now dead or retired.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I can't see him ever aging as well as JACK KENT COOKE

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2011 10:41 AM

Cooke aged well? The guy went from lovable curmudgeon to outright nut job. He had a couple of screwy wives, disowned his daughter, built a hideous stadium and put it in "RalJon," hired Norv Turner as coach and Charley Casserly as GM.

Sorry, but if that's aging well you probably think Marion Barry was a good mayor.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

By the way, do we have a woman or gay sock puppet?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 9:53 AM

Not yet...how much longer until you get hessone (hessone) to join the SPG?

Did brown just call a Cowboys/Ravens Superbowl next year?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

There isn't enough room in the SPG for two of us that say:

SAVE THE GAY SOCK PUPPETS!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Is noone going to commment how this isn't a "coin toss"? Cmon J Reid

Posted by: adam47 | February 8, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

So, brownwood, what do you think would be a fair settlement?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:35 AM


I would start with a minority stake in the Cowboys...

Kidding.

To be honest, I'm not sure how you fix something like that...once the toothpaste is out of the tube, there's not much you can do about it. That particular SB was a unique situation and you can't really just give 'em tickets to next year's event and expect that to correct the mistake if those two teams aren't back in the game. An all-expenses paid trip the the next SB sounds good on the surface, but if your team isn't in the game it's all moot.

If it were me, I'd want a ticket refund with some sort of reimbursement for literally risking life and limb to get to Dallas for a game I couldn't see.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I 'd say, Yeah, 2011 just might be the Falcons turn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:41 AM

Funny thing is there were some serious doubts about both NFC Championship teams 'round mid to late October...I was thinking Atlanta might be our SB rep.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Is no one going to commment how this isn't a "coin toss"?

Posted by: adam47 | February 8, 2011 10:48 AM

What do you mean? The answer is Tails, right?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Cooke aged well? The guy went from lovable curmudgeon to outright nut job. He had a couple of screwy wives, disowned his daughter, built a hideous stadium and put it in "RalJon," hired Norv Turner as coach and Charley Casserly as GM.

Sorry, but if that's aging well you probably think Marion Barry was a good mayor.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse
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I bet that Mr. Cooke never told anyone that the "b(*ch set me up"....on that basis alone, he ranks higher than Marion Barry.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I bet that Mr. Cooke never told anyone that the "b(*ch set me up"....on that basis alone, he ranks higher than Marion Barry.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2011 10:56 AM

With the collection of b1tches that he accumulated he probably said a lot worse -- it's just that the feds never caught him on camera and released it to the press.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Not tearing them down, putting it in perspective. I respect past accomplishments a great deal. Hagler and Holyfield remain 2 of my favorite boxers--but one knew when to walk away from the game and the other doesn't.

But I do find it telling that everyone you mentioned in your post (by way of comparison to Shananan) is now dead or retired.


Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 10:43 AM

If pushing the notion that somehow his two SBs are in anyway tainted by having a great QB isn't tearing him down, then I don't know what is. There's no "perspective" to be found in ANY comment you make about Shanahan and your bias is overwhelmingly obvious.

BTW...Shanahan is 58. If Lombardi were alive, he'd be turning 98 this year. Don Shula is 81, Gibbs is 70. That might have something to do with why the guys I listed are dead or retired...but hey, why let fact get in the way of a misguided argument?

You want a good comparison? Bill Belichick. Same age, alarmingly similar career arch. If you take his 3 SBs out of the equation (since, you know, he's got the "unfair advantage" of having a HoF QB), he's 6-6 in the playoffs and his pre-Brady days have yielded only one winning season. So I guess he sucks at life too, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

With the collection of b1tches that he accumulated he probably said a lot worse -- it's just that the feds never caught him on camera and released it to the press.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse
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Yeah, actually, that's probably true. His last ex-wife was a real nutjob if I recall.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I have been reading through the string about the Elway - Shanahan discussion. It is intriguing to ask if Shanahan can win a Super Bowl without Elway. I look at this a little differently. What has Shanahan done for us lately? Well, I'd say he made the team better this year. It is a much more disciplined team than it was under Zorn - or even under Gibbs 2.0. Talent-wise, I am encourage by young guys like T. Williams, Armstrong, Banks, etc. I think he inherited lemons and made lemonade out of the talent. Although the play calling may not have improved much, I look foward to not seeing the swinging gate play in the near future. The team won more than last year which is probably the ultimate barometer of improvement.

So, I would say Shanahan made the team better. Then you have to ask if he will make the team better next year. I think he will. He will get more players that understand his offense and Haslett's defense and he will make adjustments to better fit the players he keeps around.

To me, all I can ask for from a coach is for the team to be better than the year before. The logical conclusion of this chain of reasoning is the Super Bowl, if progress continues year after year. It takes time to build a contender. A lot of us want it all now, but this isn't really practical. The Redskins were a very broken team when Shanahan came onboard. They are better and are getting better. It doesn't matter if Elway made Shanahan. What matters is that Shanahan makes the Redskins better and for year number one, he's done that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Why is that?

Discuss.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 10:16 AM

Can you put this in the form of a Coin Toss question?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and give at least 3 options so we can use our special RI Three-Sided Collectors Coins!!!

Man, I can't wait! I'm more excited than IH8 watching Glee!!! (Sound of high pitched voice screaming with bent wrists flailing in the air!!!)

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were a very broken team when Shanahan came onboard. They are better and are getting better.

Well, one very interesting/developing issue is that S Moss' contract is about to void, and from what we hear, no moves have been made to re-up him.

We started the year figuring you re-sign Moss and let Portis go.

Now, we wonder if they both will be gone, and if the team will somehow be better in their absence.

Somehow, I doubt that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Although the play calling may not have improved much...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:08 AM

Offense went from 313 yards per game to 336 yards per game under Shanahan. Also, they played a much more difficult schedule in 2010 than in 2009.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Not in our lifetime for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mrcox54 | February 8, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

How many RI peeps are camping out in front of the Verizon store to get the iPhone? And which is the better deal -- Apple stock or an Apple iPhone?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

not resigning moss, will be a mistake, I think....WR is a position of need to start with, not resigning SM just makes another hole to fill....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

not resigning moss, will be a mistake, I think....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:24 AM

Have the 'Skins said they won't resign Moss? Has Moss said he won't sign with the 'Skins?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And which is the better deal -- Apple stock or an Apple iPhone?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:23 AM

Depends...whats the P/E ratio on the phone...anything over 20 and I'd say go with the stock...you may need to divide by a share of verizon though.

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Although the play calling may not have improved much...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:08 AM

Offense went from 313 yards per game to 336 yards per game under Shanahan. Also, they played a much more difficult schedule in 2010 than in 2009.

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM
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Had the defense in mind when I wrote that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were a very broken team when Shanahan came onboard. They are better and are getting better.

Well, one very interesting/developing issue is that S Moss' contract is about to void, and from what we hear, no moves have been made to re-up him.

We started the year figuring you re-sign Moss and let Portis go.

Now, we wonder if they both will be gone, and if the team will somehow be better in their absence.

Somehow, I doubt that.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM
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I don't think they can re-sign him until the CBA is signed.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If pushing the notion that somehow his two SBs are in anyway tainted by having a great QB isn't tearing him down, then I don't know what is. There's no "perspective" to be found in ANY comment you make about Shanahan and your bias is overwhelmingly obvious.

You want a good comparison? Bill Belichick. Same age, alarmingly similar career arch. If you take his 3 SBs out of the equation (since, you know, he's got the "unfair advantage" of having a HoF QB), he's 6-6 in the playoffs and his pre-Brady days have yielded only one winning season. So I guess he sucks at life too, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 11:04 AM


Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 11:04 AM

You're so defensive of Shanahan that you can't see any other perspective. I'm not trying to change your mind, but I must ask the obvious question:

On what planet is Belichick's 6-6 playoff record outside of his 3 SBs similar to Shanahan's 1-5 playoff outside of his 2 SB runs?

One playoff win over an 11 year span is not impressive. Lombardi NEVER did that, Shula never did, and neither did Gibbs. Gibbs 2.0 had a better playoff record than post-Elway Shanahan.

Find me another active coach in the league who has gone over a decade with just 1 playoff win.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I say we roll with this defense next year if we can't get great value on defensive players at our draft position.

Adam Carriker
Antonio Bryant
Jeremy Jarmon

Rob Jackson
London Fletcher
Lorenzo Alexander
Brian Orakpo

Deangelo Hall
LaRon Landry
Kevin Barnes
Carlos Rogers

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

beep, someone posted something from Chris Russell about it....I was merely saying I think not resigning him would be a mistake...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

beantown

not resigning moss, will be a mistake, I think....


beep-beep

Have the 'Skins said they won't resign Moss? Has Moss said he won't sign with the 'Skins

Good point: no one really knows what the Redskins plans are or S Moss.

So why the conjecture?: The absence of true information is always filled with 'What ifs?' isn't it?

Let's reconsider:

Cardinals Steve Breaston (27)
- Packers James Jones (26)
- Texans Jacoby Jones (26)
- Jaguars Mike Sims-Walker (26)
- Vikings Sidney Rice (24)
- Giants Steve Smith (25)
- Jets Braylon Edwards (27)
- Jets Santonio Holmes (26)
- Chargers Malcom Floyd (29)
- Chargers Vincent Jackson (28)
- Rams Mark Clayton (28)

Again, a lot of options there at wide receiver (true, even when you consider draft possibilities), and the thing is, we do know from his years in Denver, Mike Shanahan prefers receivers someone larger than S Moss.

Too, when you're thinking long-term, maybe you don't want to re-up with a guy in his 30s, despite his ability to produce.

So, you look back on this list Mr. Halsell published some weeks ago, and wonder if one or two or none of the players listed here become redskins.

If Kyle wanted Rex from the Texans, you can imagine he'd snag Jacoby Jones, too.

Is Jones in place of Moss something Team Shanallen is considering:

I doubt it.

But in the absence of real redskin news, asking 'What if?' makes for some very interesting chatta.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

beep, someone posted something from Chris Russell about it....I was merely saying I think not resigning him would be a mistake...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:37 AM
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Would it? Moss does a lot of good things, but he has a lot of drops and isn't that issue with HGH use still hanging out there? I am not arguing against re-signing him, but I don't think it is exactly a slam dunk.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 8, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

But in the absence of real redskin news, asking 'What if?' makes for some very interesting chatta.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:45 AM

Can't hear you Moe. You gotta pose this in the accepted RI format:

Coin Toss: How many WRs will the Redskins sign as free agents?

Coin Toss: Will Dan Snyder turn into a person?

Coin Toss: Who was associated with more Super Bowl Teams, Shanahan, Cerrato, or Zorn?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

moe, no doubt thats a good list, I do think that Moss is definitively part of the solution, ALONG with a few of those guys...think of this, VJ, Moss in the slot, James Jones #3, AA #4, and draft pick as #5....thats a solid group...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

RE: Receiver

Larry Fitzgerald will be a free agent next year (2012).

Posted by: RedDMV | February 8, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

RSH

I don't think they can re-sign him until the CBA is signed.

Even with that, consider:

Veteran WR Moss' contract with Redskins will void this week

By Jason La Canfora NFL Network

Washington Redskins wide receiver Santana Moss' contract will void this week, making him an unrestricted free agent, according to a league source.

The Redskins don't plan to offer a contract extension to Moss, who had a career-high 93 catches this past season.

Moss, 31, was a Pro Bowl selection after the 2005 season, when he had a career-best 1,483 yards. He has 593 receptions for 8,558 yards and 52 touchdowns during his 10-year career.


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They can re-up Moss if they want to, IMO.

But it appears Santana Moss has become and ex-Redskin.

So, re-conside the list of FA receivers remembering that Shanny likes them big and fast..

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins were a very broken team when Shanahan came onboard. They are better and are getting better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM

Remember the shambles we were in when Spurrier left and Gibbs first came in? He got it turned around enough that we went to the playoffs 2 out of 4 years. If it weren't for the death of ST and the lack of drafting and maintaining the D and O lines we would have been on the rise another few years. Hopefully this is the mistake we will learn from and Shanny will take us further than Gibbs did. It will take some TIME though folks, I know that's like a sin around here, but we have to be PATIENT!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Should I have a sandwich or pizza for lunch?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So, brownwood, what do you think would be a fair settlement?

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:35 AM

I think the only fair thing to do would be to play the Superbowl over again this sunday. Free beer at beep's house!

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Better make it a Pina Collada with an umbrella for IH8!

Anyone else want a fruity drink?

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins were a very broken team when Shanahan came onboard. They are better and are getting better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2011 11:18 AM

The team got better the second Vinny was fired. Addition by subtraction.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse


Some people you can never "fully placated."

Posted by: beep-beep | February 8, 2011 10:07 AM |
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kinda describes you beep

Posted by: hessone | February 8, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You're so defensive of Shanahan that you can't see any other perspective. I'm not trying to change your mind, but I must ask the obvious question:

On what planet is Belichick's 6-6 playoff record outside of his 3 SBs similar to Shanahan's 1-5 playoff outside of his 2 SB runs?

One playoff win over an 11 year span is not impressive. Lombardi NEVER did that, Shula never did, and neither did Gibbs. Gibbs 2.0 had a better playoff record than post-Elway Shanahan.

Find me another active coach in the league who has gone over a decade with just 1 playoff win.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 11:35 AM


What you fail to account for, is that those coaches (save for Gibbs) had HoF QBs over the vast majority of their tenures--the very thing you're saying negates any good Shanahan did. He didn't have Brady for 10 years like Belichick. He didn't have Bart Starr for a decade. He had Bubby f-ing Brister, a QB better known for being Bob Griese's kid than anything he did on his own, and Jake Plummer. Not exactly championship material.

Some of that is his own doing and I'm not saying he's still awesome for having 1 playoff win in a decade. All I've ever challenged you on is the notion that he was only as good as Elway made him or that his two SBs are somehow tainted because he had a HoF QB. That's it.

What did Belichick do without Brady? He went 5-11 his first year in NE and in Cleveland he went 36-44. Seems to me a HoF QB makes ANYONE look like a genius.

That's why Gibbs will always be the best of the best IMO, because he won without the superstar QB or workhorse RB...he won by dominating the point of attack and getting sound performances from his skill position players. The names changed but the results rarely did. To me, he's the ONLY coach you can't play this silly "he's only good because of his QB" game on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Coin Toss: Should I have a sandwich or pizza for lunch?

Posted by: PlayAction | February 8, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Get 2 slices of pizza and make a pizza sandwich, next question.

Coin Toss: Does Christina Aguilera have:

Hep A
Hep B
Hep C
Hep D

Hep D is all of the above. I'm thinking she's got Hep D.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I think that if we stick with our systems (Defense and Offense) then it will produce success.

having said that, Redskins must make smart smart decisions in the player personnel department with long-term goals in mind. And fans must be patient for a realistic team building towards a superbowl.

Posted by: preacherman120022002 | February 8, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It won't be any time soon. You only have to look at the Skins success in the draft. Absolutely horrible track record, and Sean Taylor's death tacked on an additional decade to any possible success. I am a Skins season ticket "holder". That means not going to games, selling the seats, and "holding" out for new ownership.

Posted by: FiredUpInFrederick | February 8, 2011 12:22 PM | Report abuse

moe, no doubt thats a good list, I do think that Moss is definitively part of the solution, ALONG with a few of those guys...think of this, VJ, Moss in the slot, James Jones #3, AA #4, and draft pick as #5....thats a solid group...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Think of this...

VJax- what could go wrong with signing a guy with more red flags and DUIs than productive seasons. Have we learned nothing from the Vinny era, Not to mention that Jones can't catch a cold. I'd re-sign Moss if he's willing to settle for a 3 YR deal. WRs are a luxury and need to take a backseat when you have the worst defensive front 7 in the league and 3 Centers making up the interior of your OL.

I want a active but boring FA and Draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 8, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Dive ass beeps!

Bring your 5-sided coins everyone!!!

Posted by: monk811 | February 8, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Some of that is his own doing and I'm not saying he's still awesome for having 1 playoff win in a decade. All I've ever challenged you on is the notion that he was only as good as Elway made him or that his two SBs are somehow tainted because he had a HoF QB. That's it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2011 12:13 PM

Then we actually agree. I've never argued his SBs were somehow tainted by having Elway. My argument has always been "what has he done lately?" And it's easy to separate Shanahan's career into his SB years and his post-Elway years because he went from HOF success over his first few years to merely respectable for a very extended period of time.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Impossible to tell. It looked like the little greasy bastard (whoever wrote that it fits LGB) had finally decided to lay low and let the GM and HC run the franchise.

Boy was that wrong. He's made it clear he hired Shanahan purely as a face-saving measure. Purely out of vanity and had no intention of backing the f off like we all begged him to do around the time of Swing Gate.

And what does the front office do right out of the gate? 2nd and 4th round picks to the Eagles for a 34 year old who didn't even play a single f-ing season...business as usual. At least Shanahan admits the mistake and we can still hope.

But no - no hope, because then the little greasy f-cktard threatens to put the City Paper out of business - by going after its parent company? And why? Because it called the him out on a litany of things he has done to us and to others. This tiny, sad little man.

What will it take for him to learn that his only course of action is in subtlety, attrition, introspection and discipline? How can someone seemingly so competent be so obviously stupid? So oblivious?

Is he a sociopath?

Is there some Scientological explanation?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | February 8, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

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