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Just how would Allen-Shanahan partnership work?

If Mike Shanahan is named the Redskins' next head coach, one of the first questions we'll want to answer is this: Who will be responsible for assembling the team's roster?

The widely-held assumption in recent weeks is that Bruce Allen and Shanahan would work closely together, with Allen charged with greasing wheels, juggling numbers and combing through contract details while Shanahan moves the chess pieces and makes the personnel decisions.

While Allen has given no hints in his two meetings with reporters how roster decisions might be made in the future, one of Shanahan's former players says the former Denver coach would be a great personnel guy.

After 11 seasons in Tampa Bay, Pro Bowl safety John Lynch signed a free agent contract with the Broncos in 2004, largely because of Shanahan's sales pitch, he said.

"When I became a free agent, he called me personally," said Lynch, who retired in 2008 and just concluded his first season as an analyst for Fox. "We developed a relationship through that, and he personally brought me out there. He's very good at that, too, getting guys to come, getting guys to believe what he's selling.

"A lot of people give him a hard time for not winning without John Elway, but this guy knows how to coach; he knows how to run an organization. I think he'll be good in Washington. If he comes there, I think he'll ask for total control, and I think he'll tell other
people, do your job, I'll do mine. I think that's a good thing."

Lynch, who'd spoken with Shanahan as recently as Saturday, said on Sunday he felt Shanahan would be the Redskins' next head coach.

Discussing Shanahan's strengths, Lynch touched on two main areas: Shanahan's people skills and his understanding of the offense.

"I think he understands guys," Lynch said. "First of all, he's got the credentials, he can win, he's done it before. Mike takes care of his players. He believes in them. He expects and demands a lot from them, but he really cares about them and he knows how to keep them fresh and healthy."

If we're going to discuss strengths, it's only fair we touch on weaknesses, too, and Lynch noted that Shanahan's defenses didn't always resemble the Orange Crush defenses that defined the team three decades ago.

"He's a brilliant play-caller, offensively. He's really great offensively," Lynch said. "I think the challenge - I wouldn't ever call it a weakness - but one thing he struggled with late in Denver was that defensive coordinator job. He tried Jim Bates, he tried Bob
Slowik -- it didn't seem to really click. You've got to go out and find the right guy because [Washington's] is a good defense to work with. You want to maximize and that means going out and getting a top-flight defensive coordinator."

While Slowik's name has been bandied about, the name that has circulated most in recent weeks has been Mike Zimmer's. Zimmer, the Bengals' defensive coordinator, does not have a contract beyond this season.

Two of Shanahan's long-time assistants are on Josh McDaniels' Broncos staff and the Denver Post asked McDaniels about the possibility of losing offensive line coach Rick Dennison and running backs coach Bobby Turner.

McDaniels on Monday said he would decide on an "individual basis" if he would give any of his assistant coaches permission to speak to another team about a job.
"I know that's happened before where I've been at," McDaniels said. "It's not always an easy thing, but you try to do what's in the best interest of your team."

The Denver Post reported that several of Shanahan's former players were happy to hear he might be returning to the sideline soon. Among those players: Champ Bailey.

"If anyone can get it turned around, he can," said Bailey, who played for Shanahan for five seasons here, and also spent five seasons with the Redskins. "It has been so up and down the last 10 years in Washington, so I wish him the best."

By Rick Maese  |  January 5, 2010; 8:00 AM ET
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Comments

Maybe we can trade Portis to Denver for Bailey?

Posted by: skinball77 | January 5, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Lol!! Hope we get a 2nd round pick back too!!

Posted by: johntaylor2 | January 5, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

LOL Shanahan is probably telling Danny while i am here we aren't falling for any of the crap i sold you on while i was in Denver.. LOL

Posted by: skinball77 | January 5, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Jason Campbell with a dominant running game, and a solid offensive line? He could unleash some downfield beauties with classic 5 and 7 step drops.

If we don't keep Campbell, I would be happy giving Colt a season to prove himself as well. Colt is the prototypical gunslinger that Shanny likes.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 5, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The knock on Shanahan that he can't win without Elway is fair. He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost.

Yes, Shanahan has an impressive 152 wins and only 102 losses. But he only made the playoffs 7 out of his 17 years. And four of those playoff years he lost in the first round.

Take out his two Superbowl years with Elway and he's not even considered a good coach much less a great one. So if you get Shanahan you need to figure out how to get a great QB quickly. Hopefully that doesn't mean reaching with the #4 pick this year that should be used on an offensive lineman.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The knock on Shanahan that he can't win without Elway is fair. He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost.

Yes, Shanahan has an impressive 152 wins and only 102 losses. But he only made the playoffs 7 out of his 17 years. And four of those playoff years he lost in the first round.

Take out his two Superbowl years with Elway and he's not even considered a good coach much less a great one. So if you get Shanahan you need to figure out how to get a great QB quickly. Hopefully that doesn't mean reaching with the #4 pick this year that should be used on an offensive lineman.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

We are so winning the offseason--and this is only the preseason of the offseason!

Posted by: farstriker | January 5, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost"

Yeah, and Bill Belichick is like 12 games UNDER .500 without Brady....whats your point??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh please let this happen ... Not just 'cause Shanny is an actual bona fide head coach - but because it's virtually impossible to imagine Shanny playing lap-dog to Snyder ... This, along with the dumping of Ceratto & hiring of an actual "GM" , might be enough to make us believe Snyder has seen-the-light & is finally gonna let football people handle the football (please please please ) ...

Posted by: RoidRage | January 5, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

If it is Shaannannhannahnaahn the #4 draft pick will be his decision to live with and be responsible for the success or failure.

Posted by: Keyskonnection | January 5, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

big shanny comes in and coach's for 3-4 years then turns the reins over to lil shanny.....

I for one, am excited about the partial endorsement of JC, and the prospects of lil shanny coming on board...I think that bodes well....and for those complete MORONS who think that Mike is hiring his kid becauase its his kid, check out his resume....he's up and coming....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

diesel_skins_ did Shanahan's team have a problem scoring without Elway, or was it that his defenses weren't good enough? I'm asking because as I've stated many times in the past, football is more than a one player sport. The best teams win the SB. Didn't Jake Plummer take one of those Broncos team deep into the playoffs? Who were the other QBs that Shanahan guided into the playoffs?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Mike tells Danny, "Man, this $500,000 Maybach is cool. 2 burgers, fries and cokes for 40 bucks from your Johnny Rockets is making you money. I want a piece of that too and can you throw in a Maybach."

Posted by: getitritegov | January 5, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Tired if hearing the "he didn't win without Elway" comments. Most coaches don't win without having great players.

And Elway was never able to win a Superbowl without Shanahan. And he certainly had his chances.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Bean - are you referring to B. Allen's partial endorsement of JC? I read that as 50/50 - could be trying to drive up his trade value.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Whats Shanny Jrs resume look like BT Greg?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

He was also able to go 13-3 with Jake Plummer as his quarterback.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

diesel,

Take away Jimmy Johnson 2 SB with a HOF QB and he is not considered a good coach either.

I'm also curious how many SB did John Elway win without Shanny running the offense?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

"He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost"


Whereas it would be nice, I don't want to win the Super Bowl every year.

I'd just like to turn on a redskins' game, see that they are playing a top team, and watch them compete both offensively and defensively.

The way the team played the saints is all I want.

You are not supposed to win all the time.

But you aren't supposed to look like a losing team all the time, either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Whats Shanny Jrs resume look like BT Greg?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:35 AM |

He has been OC for the Texans for two full season, his offense was ranked 3rd in 08 and was ranked 4th this year looks pretty good to me.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Take away Jimmy Johnson 2 SB with a HOF QB and he is not considered a good coach either.

I'm also curious how many SB did John Elway win without Shanny running the offense?

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:37 AM |

Holmgren too right? Favre.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Holmgren too right? Favre.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2010 8:39 AM |

True that.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Like I said earlier there are only two coaches in the SB era who have won mulitple times without a current or future HOF QB.

Joe Gibbs
Bill Parcells

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

va, for starters, he's got experience as an OC, so right away, we're 10 steps ahead of where we were last year, Matt Schaub led the league in passing yards, passing yards per game, and was the 7th rated qb in the NFL.....AJohnson lead the NFL in receiving yards, so he's got the chops as an offensive coordinator in my book...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

What did Bruce Allen have to say about Campbell?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

best football is ahead of him...not a ringing endorsement, but an endorsement just the same....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about the Shanahan/Elway/Plummer thingy.

My issues:

a. Will Shanny want Campbell with blocking or a rookie in training?

b. Will Bruce Allen move players of value for picks and if so, who?

c. Which vets will get the axe?

d. Will Shanny 're-invent' the offense or take what it's already doing, add better blocking, and move forward?

e. Is Brandon Marshall coming to town?

f. Shanny used no name running backs in rotation--does he keep Ganther/Mason/Rock/Betts/Portis--or draft his own pair?

g. Will S Moss get a shot at playing slot receiver or hidden in 'bunch formations'?

h. Finally, will he preach patience to a fanbase that's hungry like wolves for success?

i. Whither Cooley, Davis, Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell: do these guys satisfy?

In other words, when Shanahan says, "Stay medium," does he mean it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

What did Bruce Allen have to say about Campbell?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 8:43 AM |

He said his best football is before him.

Everyone needs to realize that a true GM doesn't give anything away, he plays it close to the vest.

This is not Vinny telling every GM in the league exactly how he feels about every player he wants or doesn't like.

A good GM knows how to talk up players so that he can fleece someone down the road, I know we are used to being the ones getting fleeced but those days are over.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

BA on JC: "Hes got 51 starts. His best football is ahead of him"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Question is, do any of the WRs on this team have the ability to step up and be a Brandon Marshall/Andre Johnson type wide out?

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

mista,

Time will tell.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Well, Elway didn't win a Super Bowl until Shanahan arrived and he took a Jake Plummer led team to the AFC Championship game vs Pittsburgh

Posted by: cervecero03 | January 5, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

When we hear BA talk we are thinking he is going to talk like Vinny.

If Vinny was talking yesterday about JC, well he wasn't very good this year we might go in a different direction.

So much for getting picks for JC or using him as trade bait.

Ask other GM's in the league if they ever truly know what Belichick is thinking, that guy gives knothing away.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I wikipedia'ed Kyle Shanny, he does have an impressive resume. He's def a young up and comer. He became the youngest OC, beating Josh McDaniels record.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

When you get Mike Shanahan you're really setting yourself up to require 2 good coaches. Mike S is an offensive genius, but doesn't even try to address the defense. Our DC will have probably complete control including personnel for the Defense.

That's why its so important that we get Zimmer instead of Slowik.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

dfbovey

"...do any of the WRs on this team have the ability to step up and be a Brandon Marshall/Andre Johnson type wide out?"


No.

Be honest.

Do you think the skins might give up a pick for B Marshall or draft Dez Bryant?

I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

That's why its so important that we get Zimmer instead of Slowik.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 8:52 AM |

1000% agree and you know if Shanny and BA want Zimmer Danny will pay for him, Shanny can leave the defense alone if you get a guy like Zimmer and from what I hear the guys will get there aZZ kicked if they don't perform.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Actually I was impressed with the job Shanahan did with Denver without Elway. He kept a mediocre team always in contention. I never thought Denver had a great team.

Posted by: sament | January 5, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Holmgren also won with hasselback as a qb. Jimmy Johnson didn't inherit Aikman, he went and got him. Elway couldn't win until Davis got there. Can any one tell me when Shanahanigans got control of the Broncos personnel decisions ? that is what really matters. If Allen doesn't make those decisions, how has Shanny Clause done when he has shopped for the groceries and prepped the meal?

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

The way the team played the saints is all I want.

You are not supposed to win all the time.

But you aren't supposed to look like a losing team all the time, either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:37 AM


On the same wave length Moe, that is exactly how I feel...Dont need 10 more Lombardi trophies, just want to compete and display a winning team that wants to win, plays hard and is in the top 20% of the league...it is entertainment after all.

Posted by: mhartz1 | January 5, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

VERY IMPORTANT NEWS...
The Five Guys at McPherson Square is now serving breakfast!

And its delicious.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"So much for getting picks for JC or using him as trade bait."

A clever GM still takes offers and dangles a player.

The difference is that unlike Vinny, he does so in such a way the media never finds out.

Baseball executive's do it all the time.

I think most people feel that until Campbell has blocking and security, he's a great unknown: which works in the redskin favor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

No.

Be honest.

Do you think the skins might give up a pick for B Marshall or draft Dez Bryant?

I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

__________________


Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that. But I also think that Shanahan will look at what he's inheriting and know that he needs a line, rb and a qb before wr.

Honestly, I don't know what Devin Thomas will be. He has the physical ability of a top flight wr. 3rd year is usually when you see what a player will be at that position.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The skins dont need a B Marsh/Baby TO next year. It wouldnt hurt, but they need someone to replace CS60. Even if Chris plays another year, this team will need a replacement for him soon. With Shanny coming here, Im starting to get the feeling a QB might be the teams 1st rounder...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The party is over when Bruce Allen announces the debut of his radio show on am 980. Until then, let's enjoy this.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I wikipedia'ed Kyle Shanny, he does have an impressive resume. He's def a young up and comer. He became the youngest OC, beating Josh McDaniels record.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

He sure does, let his dad coach here for 5 years or whatever and if all works out when Mike retires we could have a 30 somthing coach of the future in his son.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Holmgren also won with hasselback as a qb. Jimmy Johnson didn't inherit Aikman, he went and got him. Elway couldn't win until Davis got there. Can any one tell me when Shanahanigans got control of the Broncos personnel decisions ? that is what really matters. If Allen doesn't make those decisions, how has Shanny Clause done when he has shopped for the groceries and prepped the meal?

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 8:57 AM |

Mike Holmgren won what with Hasselback he didn't win a SB.

Who cares if Jimmy went and got Aikman the point is he won nothing without him.

Is it Shanny's fault that Elway was already in Denver when he got there?

What SB did Elway win before Shanny came along that would be none.

Shanny draft histroy is not bad.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

People who say "Coach/player X only won with coach/player X" and "He "only" won a SB with X or X's team"

Have a deep rooted and delusional understanding of the NFL, footbal, team sports and human nature.

Really....go eat your socks.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"So much for getting picks for JC or using him as trade bait."


A clever GM still takes offers and dangles a player.

The difference is that unlike Vinny, he does so in such a way the media never finds out.

Baseball executive's do it all the time.

I think most people feel that until Campbell has blocking and security, he's a great unknown: which works in the redskin favor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:59 AM |

I was saying we wouldn't be able to get anything for JC if Vinny was still here because he would have f_cked it up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I was saying we wouldn't be able to get anything for JC if Vinny was still here because he would have f_cked it up.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

If Vinny were here we would trade Campbell and a 3rd for a 4th round pick.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The party is over when Bruce Allen announces the debut of his radio show on am 980. Until then, let's enjoy this.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:01 AM |

That will never happen.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the skins might give up a pick for B Marshall or draft Dez Bryant?

I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:53 AM


I thought this at first, but the Skins don't have the ammo to make that deal, unless the Broncos either 1) deem the #4 pick compensation enough for Marshall or 2) Josh "Babyface" McDaniels takes the combo of Kelly, Thomas, and Davis for B-Marsh straight up. I don't see either as likely scenarios.

And Zimmer is as good as here. Book it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan coached the Broncos for 10 years after Elway left. TEN FREAKIN' YEARS. He had the control to build the roster he wanted. The results? 1 playoff win. One. Just one.

You can blame the defense and you'd be right. You can blame the QBs and you'd be right. But if you do, you also have to blame the predictable playcalling that is the hallmark of Shanahan's career.

Shanahan and Elway is unlike other situations because you can point to many actual games where the Broncos were trailing in the fourth quarter and required Elway magic to bring them back. That's not coaching.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Some people are just never happy... I guess the Shanny bashers have someone better in mind at this point. Someone AVAILABLE and not Zorn.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Elway is unlike other situations because you can point to many actual games where the Broncos were trailing in the fourth quarter and required Elway magic to bring them back. That's not coaching.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM |

Diesel give it up you were proven wrong so bye bye.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Question is, do any of the WRs on this team have the ability to step up and be a Brandon Marshall/Andre Johnson type wide out?

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 8:47 AM

I haven't seen it. I haven't seen one of the younins make anything but the routine play. They may have it in them, but...

Mort over at ESPN said that Shanahan wanted to trade Marshall the off-season Shanahan got fired. Remember Marshall was very high maintenance even back then. He didn't train with the team, got into off the field issues. If Mort is correct, I doubt he'll pursue Marshall now.

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Would Denver trade their #1 (the 11th overall) and B Marshall for the number 4 overall? Maybe.

Should the Redskins demand Marshall, the the 11th overall, a second and another later pick? Yes.

Should the Redskins do that deal? Not sure. On the one hand, you get an ELITE top 3-4 WR in his prime, plus 3 picks including the number 11 for the 4th pick. On the other, you get a demonstrated "issue" guy. Tough call, but I don't know enough of the real story to make an informed decision. Shanahan does.

FYI, Seattle has the 6 and the 14. Not sure what would drive them to swap out the 4 and 6, but if we could get B. Campbell at 6 while adding another pick (a second? a third?) I'd be all for that, too.

SFO has the 13 and the 17 overall. They may want to come up and get the 4 or the 6 to get Hagen, the CB out of Florida.

Lots of options and scenarios.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I wikipedia'ed Kyle Shanny, he does have an impressive resume. He's def a young up and comer. He became the youngest OC, beating Josh McDaniels record.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I wikipedia'ed myself last night... best sleep I have gotten in days!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost"

Yeah, and Bill Belichick is like 12 games UNDER .500 without Brady....whats your point??


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse


The point is Shanahan inherited Elway and when he drafted his own QB, it never worked out. Now, he is inheriting JC and his track record of drafting and growing a QB is less than stellar. And please don't sell me on Culter and his 26 INT's this season either. Or Culter and the Broncos' 08 collapse either...

Posted by: rich20ssu | January 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Shanny looks a little like Lombardi!

Oh - and can we bring in his training staff? If you can bring back TDavis after that injury to become the MVP of the StuporBowel - imagine what he can do w/ Samuels!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 5, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

People who say "Coach/player X only won with coach/player X" and "He "only" won a SB with X or X's team"

Have a deep rooted and delusional understanding of the NFL, footbal, team sports and human nature.

Really....go eat your socks.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:03 AM


Well said, CL. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Truths about Shanahan you want to ignore:

He played in a lousy division with little competition for many of those years. He won't have that luxury in the NFC East.

He also had unique home field advantage with the altitude. FedEx Field has no home field advantage at all.

With those advantages, he still only won one lousy playoff game in 10 years after Elway left. This is your savior?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think Shanny should draft a Left Tackle with the 4 pick. CS60 needs to retire, I don't want to see that guy breathing through a tube. Shanny drafted Ryan Clady, and that guy is nasty at left tackle.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I wikipedia'ed Kyle Shanny, he does have an impressive resume. He's def a young up and comer. He became the youngest OC, beating Josh McDaniels record.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | January 5, 2010 8:51 AM

Impressive resume? Can you say affirmative action. He's never had an NFL job that was not in some way connected to his father. He started out with Gruden, who worked for his dad in SF. He's now OC for Kubiak, who got his first OC job from Kyle's dad. The good ol' boy network at its finest.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you guys are really drinking the koolaid today.

Explain why Shanahan failed for a decade after Elway left despite playing in a lousy division and having a unique home field advantage. Keep in mind he had all the control and could build the team any way he wanted.

Explain away...

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

rich20ssu, you do understand he developed Elway as a an assistant coach/cord on the Broncos staff right?

I mean really you people sound like you have about 3.5 chromosomes.

Quick show of hands who likes the chances of snyder/allen/shanahan give the franchises resurection over snyder/cerratto/zorn???

They could have hired a pubic zit and your moms electric rabbit and I would be like "I think we might be headed in the right direction."

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"Some people are just never happy... I guess the Shanny bashers have someone better in mind at this point. Someone AVAILABLE and not Zorn."

Count me as a happy camper.

I like everything that's happened so far.

I don't care about Shanny's past as his future is all I'm about.

HTTR: Let's hope the next ten years are better than the last ten.

That's the past we should all worry about, not Shanny's.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Elway is unlike other situations because you can point to many actual games where the Broncos were trailing in the fourth quarter and required Elway magic to bring them back. That's not coaching.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM


You're right. Because I'm sure it was Elway preparing the gameplan, Elway calling the plays, and Elway motivating the team and preparing them to play.

Seriously...quit while you're behind. Nobody here is passing Shanny off as Lombardi in his prime. But saying he's anything less than a good coach is pure foolishness.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

why are people here talking about trading for b. marshall? this makes no sense at all especially when we have NO o-line to block for whatever QB will be taking snaps next year...and when marshall doesn't get the ball downfield, it'll lead to more issues with him...we don't need a baby T.O.

the smart and the only move should be to take okung at 4 if he is still available and taking the best RT with the second round pick

Posted by: AhsanFamily | January 5, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

He also had unique home field advantage with the altitude. FedEx Field has no home field advantage at all.

Posted by: diesel_skins_
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To preempt anyone who would try to minimize this advantage, I can tell you from personal experience it's real.

I don't run a lot, but I run 2 or 3 miles fairly often. When I went to visit my friend in Denver I couldn't go half a mile without feeling exhausted.

It's like you're sucking in as much air as you can but it's not replenishing your energy. It's a weird feeling.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

They could have hired a pubic zit and your moms electric rabbit and I would be like "I think we might be headed in the right direction."

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:16 AM

LOL!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Diesel,

I don't think anyone up here is saying that Shanahan = instant superbowl.

But he is a coach who has won before, granted with a stud QB and RB.

The Redskins are a long way from winning a championship and it will take a while to get them there.

But in the past few weeks the team has hired a GM, now it is closing in on a coach. Once the coach is in place, they will begin to assemble the roster.

It appears that this team is finally trying to do things the right way. I don't know how long it will last, but I'm enjoying it now.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Quick show of hands who likes the chances of snyder/allen/shanahan give the franchises resurection over snyder/cerratto/zorn???

They could have hired a pubic zit and your moms electric rabbit and I would be like "I think we might be headed in the right direction."

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:16 AM |

Cue hand raising so fast that shoulder is almost dislocated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"HTTR: Let's hope the next ten years are better than the last ten.
That's the past we should all worry about, not Shanny's."


And this is my concern with the Shanahan selection. I don't trust Danny to make the right decision about anything. Since he's been pining for Shanahan to the exclusion of all others (well except for Jerry Gray), I got a bad feeling.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Impressive resume? Can you say affirmative action. He's never had an NFL job that was not in some way connected to his father. He started out with Gruden, who worked for his dad in SF. He's now OC for Kubiak, who got his first OC job from Kyle's dad. The good ol' boy network at its finest.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:14 AM


It's not how you get the opportunity, it's what you do with it. Regardless of who his daddy is, K-Shan did a fine job in Houston this year. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

All you Shanny haters are serious Donnie Downers, quit raining on my parade and blowing my buzz.

after a 4-12 season, seeing the Cowboys win the East, and us looking absolutely pathetic against backups.....I want something to feel good about.

OMG he never won without Elway, and guess what; Jordan never won without Pippen or Phil Jackson. I guess that means both Jordan sucks at basketball and Jackson can't coach.

FULL RETARD

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Quick show of hands who likes the chances of snyder/allen/shanahan give the franchises resurection over snyder/cerratto/zorn???

They could have hired a pubic zit and your moms electric rabbit and I would be like "I think we might be headed in the right direction."

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:16 AM |

Cue hand raising so fast that shoulder is almost dislocated.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2010 9:22 AM

I just shattered the lamp above my desk.

Morning CL.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

no campbell please, i have seen enough inacutate passing for my life

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"And this is my concern with the Shanahan selection. I don't trust Danny to make the right decision about anything. Since he's been pining for Shanahan to the exclusion of all others (well except for Jerry Gray), I got a bad feeling.

Posted by: learnedhand1

LH, I get this, am sympathetic to it...heck even agree. But The only alternative is giving up on the Skins and my sick, diseased, and loyal heart/mind/soul can't do that. So the alternative is that Snyder finds the right balance between bat siht evil-crazy and typical rich powerful dude who occassionally suppresses his ego enough to succeed.

I see this move, while still renting a home in Snyder dementia, be at least "typical" of what most rich annoying NFL owners would do.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

no campbell please, i have seen enough inacutate passing for my life

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 5, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

But if you do, you also have to blame the predictable playcalling that is the hallmark of Shanahan's career.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 9:07 AM


I don't know if anyone would agree that Shanahan is a predictable play caller. I would suggest that you sign up for NFL rewind (if you haven't already) go back to the 2008 year and watch how the game plan switched up based on the opponent.

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

And this is my concern with the Shanahan selection. I don't trust Danny to make the right decision about anything. Since he's been pining for Shanahan to the exclusion of all others (well except for Jerry Gray), I got a bad feeling.
Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:22 AM

The above seems to sum up some of the feelings that the Debbie downers have up here. Essentially there is NOTHING they can do or anyone that they can hire that will appease this lot. Everything is just doom and gloom. No matter what. Shoot, even Brownwood seems happy about this. Why don't you debbie downers just go lock yourselves in your rooms and draw shocking tatoos on yourselves.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 5, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

What if Shanny can get Elway out of retirement?

I bet you guys didn't think of that one :)

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 5, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Impressive resume? Can you say affirmative action. He's never had an NFL job that was not in some way connected to his father. He started out with Gruden, who worked for his dad in SF. He's now OC for Kubiak, who got his first OC job from Kyle's dad. The good ol' boy network at its finest.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:14 AM

How do you connect "affirmative action" to "good ol' boy network?" They're the opposite. One is supposed to be used to combat the other.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

In other words, when Shanahan says, "Stay medium," does he mean it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:46 AM

First thing, MistaMoe: Shanahan doesn't say "stay medium" anyplace except a steak house.

Posted by: League-Source | January 5, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

no campbell please, i have seen enough inacutate passing for my life

Posted by: cavalieri10 | January 5, 2010 9:27 AM


And I've seen enough "inacutate" spelling in my life.

He's obviously no Drew Brees, but I have a hard time calling a career 61.2% passer(and 64.5% this year) inaccurate. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I hear the same argument with Shanny as I do with Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson isn't that great of a coach because he always had great players. Well news flash people, you can't win without great players. I don't care who is your coach in any sport, if you do not have a good-to-great team or good-to-great players you cannot win a championship. A coaches job is to maximize talent, but if they have non-talented players, they can make those players play the best they possibly can but they'll never be able to go all the way. Shaq and Kobe never won rings until Phil Jackson came to LA. John Elway never won rings until Shanny came to Denver. Whether you like Shanny or not you have to respect the guy. His team has won 2 SB's and he's been to the playoffs multiple times. Year in and year out Denver was always competitive and either made the playoffs or came close. Shanny is 5x's (or better) than Zorn. I think the key is him hiring a good DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Shanny and his boy will make this offense significantly better. In fact, players like playing for Shanny and that will attrack GOOD players to the skins. If Shanny hires a good Defensive coordinator this team could be dangerous in the years to come. Mike Zimmer is a great candidate. If he gets a guy like Zimmer, this defense will improve. Blatche is an average coordinator at best and this defense was a top 5 defense last year and did some good things this year. Blatche played a conservative defense. If Shanny gets a guy like Zimmer who is aggressive and loves to blitz, look out. Shanny will make this team signficantly better in the years to come.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | January 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Most coaches who won Superbowls
only did it with one QB. There is one though that won it with 3 different QB's, Joe Gibbs. I think
that is one of the accomplishments that got him into the Hall of Fame. That
knock only winning with Elway is a little unfair. Shannahan will bring experience and dicipline and hopfully stablize this team

Posted by: slinger1 | January 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

no campbell please, i have seen enough inacutate passing for my life

Posted by: cavalieri10

And I've now seen enough "inaccurate" spelling for mine.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

""dfbovey

"...do any of the WRs on this team have the ability to step up and be a Brandon Marshall/Andre Johnson type wide out?"


No.

Be honest.

Do you think the skins might give up a pick for B Marshall or draft Dez Bryant?""

I have a scenario:

We know that both WR Brandon Marshall and TE Tony Scheffler are no longer welcome in Denver, and they both want to play under Shanahan. There have been rumors that the Redskins are interested in trading Cooley. My scenario is that we trade one of our TEs to Denver for their two head cases. I know that it's a 2 for 1 deal, but their 2 players should only have half value due to their problems.

Posted by: midniterc | January 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

LOL at Brownwood - beat me to it by 5 seconds.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Allen's strength has always been in getting along with difficult coaches, demanding stars, and interfering owners (he worked for Al Davis and the Glazers).

Shanahan needs Allen to keep the owner off his back.

Looking back, it's hard to understand why Denver let Shanahan go. They had a fast start this past season, but that had something to do with the schedule. They faded in the second half. You could argue their defense was better and their offense was worse.

Firing Shanahan was almost as dumb as Tampa firing Gruden for a four game losing streak. That turned out even worse for the team.

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Look, Shanny is going to be way better than Zorn. I knows the most basic ins and outs of being a head coach in TODAY'S NFL, not 25 years ago like Gibbs 2.0. So might I say we will have an elite Head Coach who garners respect from players, and has been to the big show and won, and knows how to prepare players for gameday and can call a game. Woo Hoo, this is sounding better and better everyday.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 5, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

thnxs, peeps...

Yeah, Allen is not saying exactly they plan on keeping him around, but that after exploring every other opportunity he may be the best fit.

Which is what many of us have been saying.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

He knows, not I knows.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 5, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Everything is just doom and gloom. No matter what. Shoot, even Brownwood seems happy about this....


Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 5, 2010 9:29 AM


Damn right, I am. I mean, Zorn has to be one of the easiest acts to follow, right?

Seriously, there should be a more positive tone from me for the foreseeable future. I still hate Snyder--the greedy, weasel f*ck that he is--but now that there's a credible GM on board and probably a proven HC. Early indications are that Snyder will finally get his grubby hands off the player personnel and this team is starting to look like a professional outfit again.

Let's just hope this works.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:24 AM

I believe Kubiak calls the plays. But whateves.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The larger and most important point is being missed - unless Snyder makes radical changes to his behavior, it makes NO DIFFERENCE who the coach and GM are. Unless Snyder has a Steinbrenner-like transformation from destructive meddler to neutral but not totally benign owner, then the same historical patterns will repeat over and over again. Based on the last decade, there is no evidence to believe that Snyder will change. The burden is on him to demonstrate change over time. If not, whether Shanahan or Gruden or Cowher or Holmgren will have marginal effect. Imagine where the team could be today if Schottenheimer had been allowed to do his job - he would have put in place the foundation for discipline and fundamentals that are so glaringly absent today. He may not have been the long-term answer at coach, but the team would be far better off today.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't hear you Shanahan haters, or Shaters for short, coming up with a better option.

Fact: We've tried getting nfl newcomers and first timers, and we've tried experienced coaches, and the experienced ones have done better EVERY TIME.

And I don't see anyone else out there more experienced than Shanahan.

Plus he likely comes packaged withe Kyle S (#4 Offense OC) and Zimmer (#4 Defense DC).

I defy anyone to beat that combination with potential candidates. You cant.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

don't hear you Shanahan haters, or Shaters for short, coming up with a better option.

Fact: We've tried getting nfl newcomers and first timers, and we've tried experienced coaches, and the experienced ones have done better EVERY TIME.

And I don't see anyone else out there more experienced than Shanahan.

Plus he likely comes packaged withe Kyle S (#4 Offense OC) and Zimmer (#4 Defense DC).

I defy anyone to beat that combination with potential candidates. You cant.

I don't hate Shanahan - but why have all those combinations failed? And why do you believe it will be different this time? It all comes back to the same issue - the OWNER and not the coach.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the uncontrolled optimism. Am I happy there is a change? Yes. Am I sure that it will be better? 99.8% sure? Am I ready to. bet my car and my dangling twins on the success of this project? No. I just want people to look at his complete record, not just the shiny parts. A clean and polished Pinto is still a Pinto. And before you jump out of your seats and get carpal tunnel syndrome trying to claim I am calling Shanny a Pinto, I am not. It is only hyperbole to make a point. How did he do at team building? Also, whoever says we shouldn't pay attention to Shanny's past is certifiably insane. His past is the same reason that people are both excited and others have their doubts. It matters that Jimmy drafted Aikman. It matters because he actually built his Super Bowl team. And Holgren post-Favre is better than Shanny post-Elway.

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the uncontrolled optimism. Am I happy there is a change? Yes. Am I sure that it will be better? 99.8% sure? Am I ready to. bet my car and my dangling twins on the success of this project? No. I just want people to look at his complete record, not just the shiny parts. A clean and polished Pinto is still a Pinto. And before you jump out of your seats and get carpal tunnel syndrome trying to claim I am calling Shanny a Pinto, I am not. It is only hyperbole to make a point. How did he do at team building? Also, whoever says we shouldn't pay attention to Shanny's past is certifiably insane. His past is the same reason that people are both excited and others have their doubts. It matters that Jimmy drafted Aikman. It matters because he actually built his Super Bowl team. And Holgren post-Favre is better than Shanny post-Elway.

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

People who say "Coach/player X only won with coach/player X" and "He "only" won a SB with X or X's team"

Have a deep rooted and delusional understanding of the NFL, footbal, team sports and human nature.

Really....go eat your socks.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

f'n right, cl. And, by the way, f cl. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | January 5, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

believe Kubiak calls the plays. But whateves.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:41 AM |

You would be wrong.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

interesting, just watched McShay's prediction of the top five it was as follows:

ST - Suh DT
Det - McCoy DT
TB - Berry S
Was - Bradford QB
KC - Davis OT

I found a couple things interesting, first that he thinks we could have our pick of any Tackle on the board at #4. Secondly, he said this is turning out to be a "deep draft" at offensive tackle and that it will depend on the workouts but that Davis (Rutgers), Okung, and Trent Williams are all top 10 worthy guys and Bruce Campbell is just a notch below. It would be great if Shanny likes Campbell to get two starting tackles with our first two picks. We'll see if Shanny likes JC or not but for the first time in I can't remember how long I trust he and Allen and I'm on board with whatever they do for 3 years. Their resumes have earned them that IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Hating on the Shanahan move is just plain dumb.

So tired of hearing the he never won anything without Elway crap. Elway didn't win anything without him, so what?

They seemed to both benefit from the arrival of Terrell Davis.

Which means the Redskins will need a RB.

Go get McCluster. I just hope he's available in the second round.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

After a decade of meddling has produced horrific results, the OWNER is counting on the fans to grasp at any hint of salvation. Don't lose focus of the central issues - it will take time to honestly change the culture of this organization and any head coach does not own that culture.

What's the owner to do if in three years this latest possible "makeover" fails again...??? Maybe that sense of desperation will force him into a self-help program for destructive owners.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

If Shanny is the next HC, the players better get ready for a much more intense training camp. I remember watching a filming of his camp a few years back and the linemen were wore out. No more prima donnas 'round here!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

How do you connect "affirmative action" to "good ol' boy network?" They're the opposite. One is supposed to be used to combat the other.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:33 AM

LOL. I guess it depends on your world view. The good ol' boy network is the original affirmative action. Getting a job or accepted into college because of your daddy/mommy/friend just because of your relationship ahead of others of equal or greater qualifications is no different than getting those same benefits merely because of one's minorty status.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't hate Shanahan - but why have all those combinations failed? And why do you believe it will be different this time? It all comes back to the same issue - the OWNER and not the coach.

Posted by: i155133
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I think this combination will work because Mike and Kyle have history together and the same offensive philosophy, unlike Suanders/Gibbs.

And Zimmer would be doing his own thing, so I don't think that combination matters, I just think he's better than Blache.

I don't expect to win the Superbowl next year, I'm just excited because I think Mike/Kyle/Zimmer would be the best possible coaching combo we could hope for at this point in time. And I think it puts us on the right track.

There are better dream scenarios sure, but realistically this would be the best we can do. So I'm excited to have that, instead of, for example, another unknown like Zorn.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

And Holgren post-Favre is better than Shanny post-Elway.

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

_________

Completely different scenarios. Holmgren didn't have the opportunity to stick around and rebuild the Packers post Favre.

I don't think people are only looking at the shiny parts either. A lot of people are just excited that the ceiling for success has been elevated a great deal compared to what was achievable prior to this hire.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

People seem to think its easy for a head coach to be a constant winner or to win a superbowl every year or something.

Only 19 head coaches have ever been to more than 1 super bowl. Of them 12 have won more than 1. 4 have won 3+. And of those 19 guys only 1 other is an active coach right now.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Go get McCluster. I just hope he's available in the second round.

Posted by: RedDMV |

McCluster in the 2nd round??? The guy weighs less than I do. Hes a 4th-5th rounder.

If we're going RB 2nd round we should hope that Best falls to us.

4th pick should be Okung or Spiller only (unless Suh somehow falls to us).

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

DCSportsFan28 kinda brought this to mind on the Shanahan thing: when you witness greatness in person (or at least during the time you follow the sport), you tend to not rate it as highly as you would if you see it in an historical context. For example, the same people who hate on Phil Jackson for only winning with great players are the same ones who think Red Auerbach was the end-all-be-all for coaching greatness. Yet Red had somewhere in the neighborhood of a dozen Hall of Famers. But I've never heard anyone say "Red ain't all that because he had all those Hall of Famers".

Same thing with Shanny. I still don't believe he's an all-time great or anything, but he's a solid coach at the very least. And the fact of the matter is Elway hadn't won jack sh*t until Shanny showed up.

Let's ask this question to diesel_skins and all the other haters: is Chuck Noll considered any less a coach because he dominated the 70s and crapped out in the 80s? Consider the fact that Noll's Steelers in the 80s went 77-75 and only 2-4 in the playoffs. Are we to say he's overrated because he couldn't win without Bradshaw?

When a coach has a long tenure like Shanny in Denver and Noll in Pittsburgh, there are going to be some lean years--regardless of how good he is. That's just the NFL. Nobody is going to dominate or stay in the elite EVERY year for a decade. Just doesn't happen.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Moosepod,

What coach doesn't come without problems or blemishes? Every coach has something he has done in his career that you can point too. For example, when the Patriots hired Belichek everyone said "Why would you hire him he was terrible in Cleveland?" Bill Cowher, is another name tossed around and he has blemishes to his credentials. Every Coach (Great or Bad) has negative things you can point too. However, besides Marty S. the Skins have not hired a better coach in the past 10 years. Again, Marty S. is a very good coach but he's never won a SB, does that mean he's not a good or even great coach? In my personal opinion, Marty was a guy that went 8-8 in a complete rebuilding year and should have been our long term solution. HOwever, him and Danny boy clashed heads and Danny fired him. Shanny like any coach has some "blemishes" you can point too. You can't deny that he isn't a good (maybe even Great) coach though.

As I alluded to in my previous comment, a coaches job is to make players better and maximize their talent. Jim Zorn never did that. Shanny will. My comment doesn't state that Shanny will makes us SB contenders but he will make us a better football team, and a very competitive team. I think within 2 years (3 at the most) we will be a playoff team. The key is who he hires on the Defensive side of the ball and what personnel moves they can make. If they can draft some good players and make smart pickups (not just sign big name players like they have in the past), this team will be dangerous in a few years. My point is that every coach has some negative things you can point too, it just depends on how you look at things. Glass half full or half empty? It's easy to point out all the negatives of any person, coach, or player but what coach out there that is available would you rather have than Shanny?

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | January 5, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

straight tart on RI today...wow....

bring back spurrier...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

How do you connect "affirmative action" to "good ol' boy network?" They're the opposite. One is supposed to be used to combat the other.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think he is talking about the "affirmative action good ol' boy network". Otherwise known as the Rainbow Coalition.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood26,

Great post, I completely agree. That was the point I was trying to drive home, I'm glad someone picked up on what I was saying. I mean my favorite coach of all tiem is Mr. Joe Gibbs. To say that Joe Gibbs wasn't a great coach because of his second tenure with the Skins would be idiotic. He got us into the playoffs one year which was a nice change of pace and he left this team better than when he started. Every coach in any sport is not without his criticisms or flaws. I don't care who it is, but that doesn't change the fact they are good or great coaches.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

McCluster in the 2nd round??? The guy weighs less than I do. Hes a 4th-5th rounder.

If we're going RB 2nd round we should hope that Best falls to us.

4th pick should be Okung or Spiller only (unless Suh somehow falls to us).

Posted by: Rypien11


Um, there is this one dude in Tennessee that has a similar build to McCluster... he rushed for 2,000 yards... went in the late FIRST.

Have you been watching football this year?

McCluster will have a better career than Spiller. Book that.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

When a coach has a long tenure like Shanny in Denver and Noll in Pittsburgh, there are going to be some lean years--regardless of how good he is. That's just the NFL. Nobody is going to dominate or stay in the elite EVERY year for a decade. Just doesn't happen.

Posted by: brownwood26
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I second that notion, and add that the salary cap combined with the draft are intended to create exactly this environment, and they work.

No coach is able to overcome this parity effect, and the only time you think you're seeing them overcome it is when they're helped out by being in a weak division. See: Patriots

So yeah, even great coaches will have bad years, and sometimes they get fired for succumbing to the parity that the league structure intended. We would be very fortunate benefactors of that effect if we get Shanahan.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

* The knock on Vince Lombardi is he couldn't win a SB without BArt Starr

* The knock on Jimmy Johnson is he couldn't win a SB without Troy Aikman

* The knock on Chuck Knoll is that he couldn't win a SB without Terry Bradshaw

* The knock on Brian Billick is he can't win a SB without Trent Dilfer

* The knock on Jon Gruden is he couldn't win a SB without Brad Johnson


Shall I continue? IDIOTS....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Article.php?Page=933

He is the 14th winningest coach of all time, only 3 other coaches on the list have coached in the past 5 years and only 1 other is active.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

You would be wrong.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 9:49 AM

It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Cowher could not win a superbowl with out Big Ben.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I'd like to address something here:

As a 4-12 team, how can your goal be winning the StuporBowel?! We can't even win our season!!

I don't care if a coarch has/hasn't/will/won't win the whole shebang. I want a coarch who will make this team accountable and begin winning the games that matter; our division schedule.

That's truly the only way to become a successful franchise once again. Blood, guts & hard work. Gibbs 2.0 understood this, to some degree. And are you saying you wouldn't prefer that to what we have now?

Imagine Gibbs 2.0 w/ Allen at the GM. I'm hoping that's what can develop here w/ Shanny. Maybe we don't win it all - but people will respect us once again. And best of all, we can respect ourselves.

Stop this insane "all or nothing" attitude. That's what got us in trouble in the first place.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 5, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Arguing Shanahan vs. Cowher vs. Grimm vs. up and comer = power rankings.

Any and all of them are better than Zorn and Allen is way better than Cerrato. IMO Shanahan is the best choice cause our offense has been less than mediocre for 15 years and that is where we need the most help and Shanny has the best track record as an offensive coach. You can poke holes in any selection, but you can't argue having an experienced borderline elite coach from this era and Snyder reportedly ready to give him total control is better than having Zorn/Snyderrato in charge. Stop griping, get on board and lets see what happens before we start whining again, this is the best news for our beloved franchise in 10 years! HTTR!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I found a couple things interesting, first that he thinks we could have our pick of any Tackle on the board at #4. Secondly, he said this is turning out to be a "deep draft" at offensive tackle and that it will depend on the workouts but that Davis (Rutgers), Okung, and Trent Williams are all top 10 worthy guys and Bruce Campbell is just a notch below. It would be great if Shanny likes Campbell to get two starting tackles with our first two picks. We'll see if Shanny likes JC or not but for the first time in I can't remember how long I trust he and Allen and I'm on board with whatever they do for 3 years. Their resumes have earned them that IMO.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 9:50 AM |

I'm sorry that I can't find a link, but somewhere on the internet I read that Shanahan wants his own rookie QB to "raise". He was also quoted as saying that he thinks that Bradford is the top QB in this year's draft class.

Posted by: midniterc | January 5, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Um, there is this one dude in Tennessee that has a similar build to McCluster... he rushed for 2,000 yards... went in the late FIRST.

Have you been watching football this year?

McCluster will have a better career than Spiller. Book that.

Posted by: RedDMV

Red - CJ is 5-11, 200. Dex is 5-8, 165.

Thats a significant difference, and RIDICULOUSLY small for an NFL player. Seriously. Im small and skinny, and those are my dimensions. And while Dex is fast, he doesn't have the same speed CJ does. He won't be breaking too many tackles at the NFL level unless he puts on 30 pounds of muscle.

CJ Spiller is going to be a beast for many years.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

A lot of guys in the NFL weigh less than I do.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

A couple of years ago, the process of hiring HC went like this:
1. Make VC head of football operations
2. Hire OC
3. Hire DC
4. Look for HC

Huh?

This year...
1. Fire VC
2. Hire GM
3. Hire HC
4. Fill out coaching staff with people HC is comfortable with.
5. Restock roster with players.

At least this year we have a normal progression. Finally!

HTTR

Posted by: frediefritz | January 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

So yeah, even great coaches will have bad years, and sometimes they get fired for succumbing to the parity that the league structure intended. We would be very fortunate benefactors of that effect if we get Shanahan.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM


Damn right. I just don't get how ANYONE up here can hate this hire when over the last 8 years we had to suffer thru 4 years of Spurrier and Zorn. It's obvious this team has no interest in my preferred hire (Russ Grimm). So if not for Shanny, we're probably kicking the tires on Jim Fassel again!

Given the choice, I'll take Shanny and his solid coaching staff (provided it includes Kyle Shanahan and Mike Zimmer).

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

McCluster will have a better career than Spiller. Book that.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I'll take that bet

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs v1 was your new up and comer. He won 3 trophies. How many more have the Skins won with retread coaches? Just saying you shouldn't claim facts, or at least fact check. I don't hate Shanny. I am just cautiously optimistic. I am in the pool, I just want my waterwings.

Posted by: moosepod | January 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone would agree that Shanahan is a predictable play caller. I would suggest that you sign up for NFL rewind (if you haven't already) go back to the 2008 year and watch how the game plan switched up based on the opponent.

TWISI

Well, Broncos fans certainly would. I'm not arguing that Shanahan is bad offensively. But he was predictable. And don't confuse gameplanning with playcalling. I would argue that he's been pretty awful defensively, but that's likely due to inattention. He's had little to do with the defense.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

4th,

Please continue for the idiots, I mean you forgot to mention that because Elway had more 4th quarter combacks then anyone that makes Shanny a bad coach.

The Lombardi Packers had more HOF's then any team in history.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Great post, I completely agree. That was the point I was trying to drive home, I'm glad someone picked up on what I was saying. I mean my favorite coach of all tiem is Mr. Joe Gibbs. To say that Joe Gibbs wasn't a great coach because of his second tenure with the Skins would be idiotic. He got us into the playoffs one year which was a nice change of pace and he left this team better than when he started. Every coach in any sport is not without his criticisms or flaws. I don't care who it is, but that doesn't change the fact they are good or great coaches.

Posted by: DCSportsFan28 | January 5, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

________________

I don't know. A lot of the decisions that were made while Gibbs was in charge hurt this team significantly in the long run. The problem is it isn't clear who's to blame since there were so many hands in the cookie jar when it came to making roster decisions.

There were certainly plenty of epic free agent misses and wasted draft picks/ boneheaded trades during his run.

It's probably really easy to blame those on Cerrato since he's not here. But I know for a fact Mark Brunell was a Gibbs decision. Brandon Lloyd? Archuleta? Multiple picks for TJ Duckett? Those moves possibly set this team back a decade.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Snyder would crawl into a hole and curl up fetal for a month if the Skins gave up a high pick for B.Marshall.. While at the same time not getting anything significant for JC as a RFA in the open market (most likely).

Marshall was a 4th round 2006 pick by the Broncos using....drumroll.. The Redskins pick they acquired in the JC deal (1st, 3rd, and 4th from Washington in 2005).

======================

No.

Be honest.

Do you think the skins might give up a pick for B Marshall or draft Dez Bryant?

I do.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I may be incorrect, and if so feel free to correct me. But didn't the Dolphins go from 1-15 to 11-5 right after the hire of new FO(Parcells) and HC(Sparano)? Didn't the Falcons do pretty much the same thing?
Is there some reason the Skins won't be back in the playoffs next year?

I think Shanny will give them the kick in the a$$ they need, no more Portis pouting. No more ARE punts, no more no more no more. The players will compete for spots, leaving skill and ability, not last name the reason you start or not.

Just introduce him already.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"being wrong" It wouldn't be the first time.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Spoken like a new father! Hah!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Neil Armstrong didn't win anything until the Moon came along!

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

We don't need to talk about winning a SB we need to look at building a professional looking team first. We haven't won the East in forever, deal with that first. we haven't been to the NFC championship game in 15 years, deal with that fact first. Then we can deal with the superbowl question.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 5, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I want to set another false fact people have been throwing around...

Vinny was NOT fired....HE resigned....

This in itself make a world of a difference if you understand all the wink/nods going on amongst the Snyder Network, which Vinny is still very much a part of.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"He never won jack without a Hall-of-Fame QB winning games they should have lost"

Yeah, and Bill Belichick is like 12 games UNDER .500 without Brady....whats your point??


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

And how many SB's did Dungy win without Peyton Manning? Or how many will any coach with the Colts win without Manning?

Posted by: Devo2 | January 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

How do you connect "affirmative action" to "good ol' boy network?" They're the opposite. One is supposed to be used to combat the other.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 9:33 AM

LOL. I guess it depends on your world view. The good ol' boy network is the original affirmative action. Getting a job or accepted into college because of your daddy/mommy/friend just because of your relationship ahead of others of equal or greater qualifications is no different than getting those same benefits merely because of one's minorty status.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 5, 2010 9:54 AM

Not sure what my world has to do with anything. Support it or oppose it, affirmative action came to be because of that "good ol' boy network."

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is accurate within 10 yards, but extremely inaccurate beyond that distance. It won't be hard to find someone to do the same mediocre job he does for less money. Keep him at less than what he is making now, or let him go if it's going to cost us. Spend the money elsewhere, and not on an average passer.

We might even get lucky and get a QB who doesn't fumble if the wind blows on him...that would be a nice change.

Posted by: ggt546 | January 5, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

iH8dallas, you make a valid point.

Unfortunately that level of optimism has been beaten out of us over the past decade. I'm not superstitious, but I feel like if I even start to think about us in the playoffs, we'll just tank again. That's what Snyder has done to me.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

... Shanahan needs Allen to keep the owner off his back. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | January 5, 2010 9:38 AM

Bingo. Allen was the consensus choice btwn huge ego #1 and Huger Ego #2. Allen's job will be to play the two off each other, break ties, etc. In his own Rooney Rule interviews (Shanahan and Ambassodor Rooney, both hard core Irish Catholics), Shanahan said that working through Vinny was a non-starter. Canning Vinny was a downpayment and sign of good faith by The Owner to lure Shanahan.

Shanahan won't take the job until after the Dallas-Philly game ... and if Philly wins, he waits a few days to see whether The Phillipsbury Doughboy gets canned ... Jerrah has MORE money and there would be no need for a middle man ... his condition for Jerrah would be that he gets to be co-GM ... one owner/GM and one GM/coach.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

does anyone know what is plan two if plan one decides not to coach here ?

Posted by: joevick | January 5, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

When a coach has a long tenure like Shanny in Denver and Noll in Pittsburgh, there are going to be some lean years--regardless of how good he is. That's just the NFL. Nobody is going to dominate or stay in the elite EVERY year for a decade. Just doesn't happen.
Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 9:57 AM

Agreed….just to add to this, right now the “arguably-best” active coach Belicheck, who didn’t have Brady as his QB for one year only, hasn’t WON the super bowl since the 2004 season…..season isn’t over yet of course, but if they get knocked out as I suspect they will, that’s 5 years in a row without a ring. But I would take my chances with him as my head coach any day, with or without Tom Brady.

The Redskins chances just improved (or will when the hire is official). For all you haters calling us sheep, none of us up here have run off to Vegas and placed a million dollar bet that the skins win it all next year. We understand that Danny still needs to prove he won’t meddle anymore.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

An interesting aside from CHFF:

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2591_The_Da_Vinci_of_the_gridiron.html

I wanna go play some 2K Sports All Pro fooBAUGH. Anyone else 360 that? DkShuttle gamer tag.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN... 10 years, one playoff win. That's Shanahan's record after Elway. Compare that to any other of your coach/QB combos.

And he managed that mediocrity in the AFC West. Not too impressive.

Care to explain? Anyone?

Why do I hear crickets chirping?

I know you guys WANT Shanahan to succeed. We all do. But pretending he's an slam-dunk is just silly. He's a contested three-pointer.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Red - CJ is 5-11, 200. Dex is 5-8, 165.

Thats a significant difference, and RIDICULOUSLY small for an NFL player. Seriously. Im small and skinny, and those are my dimensions. And while Dex is fast, he doesn't have the same speed CJ does. He won't be breaking too many tackles at the NFL level unless he puts on 30 pounds of muscle.

CJ Spiller is going to be a beast for many years.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:08 AM

We need a 5' 8" speedy running back...

Anybody been watching JAcksonville or SD play lately? They have similar heighted RBs who play at pro bowl levels....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The larger and most important point is being missed - unless Snyder makes radical changes to his behavior, it makes NO DIFFERENCE who the coach and GM are. Unless Snyder has a Steinbrenner-like transformation from destructive meddler to neutral but not totally benign owner, then the same historical patterns will repeat over and over again. Based on the last decade, there is no evidence to believe that Snyder will change. The burden is on him to demonstrate change over time. If not, whether Shanahan or Gruden or Cowher or Holmgren will have marginal effect. Imagine where the team could be today if Schottenheimer had been allowed to do his job - he would have put in place the foundation for discipline and fundamentals that are so glaringly absent today. He may not have been the long-term answer at coach, but the team would be far better off today.

Posted by: i155133 | January 5, 2010 9:43 AM |

Snyder never "meddled" during the Joe Gibbs era. But he did during the eras of Turner, Spurrier and Zorn. All three of these coaches were rookies, who had no idea what they were doing. As for Schottenheimer, as I recall, the only meddling done by Snyder was that he asked Schottenheimer to get rid of Jimmy Raye as offensive coordinator. Is Snyder guilty of meddling? Sure. But look at the circumstances. I feel very certain that since Shanahan is a proven coach, Snyder will stay out of Shanahan's decisions.

Posted by: midniterc | January 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

It's ludicrous to knock Shanahan before he's even been introduced, and given the fact that he's replacing an ignorant goofball who lost 18 of his 24 games.

Ain't nowhere to go but up.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan won't take the job until after the Dallas-Philly game ... and if Philly wins, he waits a few days to see whether The Phillipsbury Doughboy gets canned ... Jerrah has MORE money and there would be no need for a middle man ... his condition for Jerrah would be that he gets to be co-GM ... one owner/GM and one GM/coach.


Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:17 AM |

I agree with most of what you said but not the last part Shanny will be annonced today or tommorow at the latest.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Folks talking about drafting a RB need to stop it. If Shanny is here, dude made 6th rounders into Pro-Bowlers. Load up on lineman and let the magic start.

I hate Portis and want him gone, but I could take one more year of that idiot if it means we can spend another pick shoring up the O-line. Especially considering the numbers he put up in this exact same offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

It's ludicrous to knock Shanahan before he's even been introduced, and given the fact that he's replacing an ignorant goofball who lost 18 of his last* 24 games.

Ain't nowhere to go but up.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Arguing Shanahan vs. Cowher vs. Grimm vs. up and comer = power rankings.

You can poke holes in any selection, but you can't argue having an experienced borderline elite coach from this era...

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:07 AM

Agreed. Cowher has even more hand than Shanahan ... but he wouldn't come here. The $64K question is who they have to scramble to get if Shanny goes to Dallas.

p.s. Fassel is a borderline elite coach from this era.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Vinny was NOT fired....HE resigned....

This in itself make a world of a difference if you understand all the wink/nods going on amongst the Snyder Network, which Vinny is still very much a part of.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:14 AM |

Vinny was forced out but Snyder let him resign to save face.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

4th - True, but 165 pounds? Thats like Glass Joe weight. We need at least a Von Kaiser or a Piston Honda.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, and Bill Belichick is like 12 games UNDER .500 without Brady....whats your point??


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse


Remember when Belichick hadnt won anything yet and he was considered a retread who was blocking minorities from getting a chance? Its funny how good players make a coach smart...It makes you appreciate what Gibbs did his first time around here.

Posted by: scottmando1 | January 5, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Ok so Shanahan ONLY won 2 super bowls and the critics are saying that without Elway he didn't do anything. Well Elway didn't win his Super Bowls until he had the Terrell Davis in the backfield. How quickly fans forget that Davis was Super Bowl MVP and Offensive Player of the Year in Super Bowl 32 and was League MVP and Offensive Player of the Year when the won Super Bowl 33. Shanahan found Davis in the 6th Round and look what he turned into. He is a good talent evaluator. Elway didn't do that! Quit giving Elway all the credit. Just the facts....maam.

Posted by: SkinsinDFW | January 5, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Vinny was NOT fired ... HE resigned ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:14 AM

Vinny, "Don't fire me, let me quit!"

The Owner, "OK."

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, if McCluster goes in the 3rd or 4th, that'll be even better.

I seen McCluster get the edge on more than a few dudes this past season. Spiller too.

I'm sure McCluster can put on additional 10-15 pounds. He'll be at 175-180, five pounds lighter than Darren Sproles... Sproles is doing just fine.

It's not like he'll be carrying the ball 20-30 times a game. The Redskins are a passing team now anyway.

McCluster has a 6.5 carry average on 180 attempts. There has to be some legit speed somewhere, you're making it sound like it's not.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To get better the Redskins need to improve across many areas. Roster, Front Office, Coaching, Player performance.

Well, in the last month the front office has significantly improved. The coaching staff's significant improvement appears imminent.

Its a good start. Many, myself included, only wanted the insanity to end and rational winning football operations begin.

Holmgren, Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, bonified up and comer??? All have their pros and cons. Shanahan doesn't, and won't, suck.

I'd rather start the next phase of Redskin football with suited AK than having to make do with another year of 72 offsuit. For me, hiring Shanahan to relieve Zorn and Snyderato has ZERO downside.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Diesel - I feel you...I really do. I wanted an up-and-coming Coordinator to get the job. LLike joe gibbs....He was just an ordinary guy...very obsured in the dc area...but we all know him now.

NOw, we can't get that because our owner is Daniel Snyder. He doesn't trust GMs (including Allen), nor inexperinced Head Coaches (though Zorn should have never gotten the opportunity).

So, that leaves us with him hiring only older experinced Coaches who have won championships (Spuurier/Gibbs/Shanny). You must accept that fact. That being said, Shanny was the best option out there. It would have been between him, Billick, Holgrem, Gruden, and Cower.

Out of that pool of ONLY options, Shanny was the best. Hopefully he learned from his past experinces and brings in a strong DC who can get the job done. Championship.

I hope that can be JErry Gray as I think he'll be a little more aggressive compared to Blache......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Bingo. Allen was the consensus choice btwn huge ego #1 and Huger Ego #2. Allen's job will be to play the two off each other, break ties, etc. In his own Rooney Rule interviews (Shanahan and Ambassodor Rooney, both hard core Irish Catholics), Shanahan said that working through Vinny was a non-starter. Canning Vinny was a downpayment and sign of good faith by The Owner to lure Shanahan.

Shanahan won't take the job until after the Dallas-Philly game ... and if Philly wins, he waits a few days to see whether The Phillipsbury Doughboy gets canned ... Jerrah has MORE money and there would be no need for a middle man ... his condition for Jerrah would be that he gets to be co-GM ... one owner/GM and one GM/coach.


Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:17 AM


I see what you're saying, but I don't think that's the case. First of all, after putting that stadium up Jerry DOESN'T have a ton of money. Second, Shanny is the one that wanted to work with Allen. So I'm not sure how that suddenly becomes a drawback for the Redskins job.

The looming lockout is making owners think twice before firing their coach. If this were a normal year, you'd see Wade gone, Fox, and maybe a few others. Don't be surprised to see fewer than 5 jobs open up this year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Why do I hear crickets chirping?"

Because what's done is done.

And if Shanny turns this redskin thing around, you'll forget all about what you've posted today and shout, "Hail!"

Move on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

so i said it's a red flag about a coach bringing his son to be the OC.

i had no idea he was the OC at texans and i also didn't know that texans were up that high on offense. so thank you flounder21 for pointing that out.

still though i hope this isn't like what gibbs did with bringing in weird al. cuz gibbs was an awesome play caller.

that's the worst case scenerio and the best case would be that the skins under shanny would do so well that his son takes over as the HC and skins are good for decades.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 5, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I hate Portis and want him gone, but I could take one more year of that idiot if it means we can spend another pick shoring up the O-line. Especially considering the numbers he put up in this exact same offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 ........................................

I think the point to cutting ties with Portis this coming offseason, would be to have zero cap impact in a capless year. This year can be a giant magic eraser for a lot of mistakes. And the team will really luck out if it also means not having to take a cap hit for Samuel's retirement.

Possibly one great big get out of jail free card.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Vinny was forced out but Snyder let him resign to save face.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:21 AM

Vinny, "Don't fire me, let me quit!"

The Owner, "OK."


Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:25 AM

I just don't think it went down like that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

still though i hope this isn't like what gibbs did with bringing in weird al. cuz gibbs was an awesome play caller.

that's the worst case scenerio and the best case would be that the skins under shanny would do so well that his son takes over as the HC and skins are good for decades.

Posted by: dealer1 | January 5, 2010 10:29 AM

deal,

I pretty sure the two Shanny's offensive philosophies match one another, Gibbs and Saunders were totally different.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan won't take the job until after the Dallas-Philly game ... and if Philly wins, he waits a few days to see whether The Phillipsbury Doughboy gets canned ... Jerrah has MORE money and there would be no need for a middle man ... his condition for Jerrah would be that he gets to be co-GM ... one owner/GM and one GM/coach.

Posted by: dcsween
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I think this is wrong, because there was a report that in Buffalo he requested that Bruce Allen be his GM there. That probably was one more reason we snagged Bruce Allen when we did, because of Snyder's hardon for Shanahan.

Intended or not, Shanahan actually wanted Bruce Allen for a GM, so your assertion that he would want to share GM responsibility with Jerry Jones is probably wrong.

Posted by: REXskins | January 5, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

YO YOU PEOPLE ARE FU!KING IDIOTS THE SAME THING YOU GUYS ARE SAYING ABOUT SHAN IS THE SAME THING U GUYS SAID ABOUT GIBBS II AND U SEE HOW THAT ENDED UP.... Y DONT U FU!KING FOOLS FOR ONCE PLAY THE WAIT AND SEE APROACH RATHER THEN GETTING YO HOPES ALL UP... IT'S REDSKINS FAN LIKE YALL THAT PUTS US IN THE PROB WE ARE IN NOW!! I FOR ONE DONT TRUST SNYDER ONE BIT HE CAN GO OUT AND HIRE 5 HOF COACHES IN THE OFF SEASON ITS IN GAME WHERE IT COUNTS

Posted by: bsilvanus | January 5, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I know you guys WANT Shanahan to succeed. We all do. But pretending he's an slam-dunk is just silly. He's a contested three-pointer.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM |

I'll take the contested three-pointer shot by a pro over the "hey you in the crowd. Wanna try a full-court shot with your eyes closed?" shot we've been subjected to with V and D.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN... 10 years, one playoff win. That's Shanahan's record after Elway. Compare that to any other of your coach/QB combos.

And he managed that mediocrity in the AFC West. Not too impressive.

Care to explain? Anyone?

Why do I hear crickets chirping?

I know you guys WANT Shanahan to succeed. We all do. But pretending he's an slam-dunk is just silly. He's a contested three-pointer.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM


Dude, I answered that question already. In case you missed it:

"Let's ask this question to diesel_skins and all the other haters: is Chuck Noll considered any less a coach because he dominated the 70s and crapped out in the 80s? Consider the fact that Noll's Steelers in the 80s went 77-75 and only 2-4 in the playoffs. Are we to say he's overrated because he couldn't win without Bradshaw?

When a coach has a long tenure like Shanny in Denver and Noll in Pittsburgh, there are going to be some lean years--regardless of how good he is. That's just the NFL. Nobody is going to dominate or stay in the elite EVERY year for a decade. Just doesn't happen."


Don't say you didn't get an answer just because you don't like the answer.


And I haven't seen anyone here call this hire "a slam dunk". Nobody's talking Super Bowl here. Getting back to 10-6 and a wild-card berth would be a huge leap forward at this point. Are you telling me you don't think Shanny can do that?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I just don't think it went down like that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:30 AM |

Come on 4th he braught in Zorn, it has even been said by JR that Vinny would be held responsible if Zorn failed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Red - I'd be fine with him in the 4th, if we use our first 2 picks to go after OL. 37th pick in the draft seems high. But, we're still going to need an every down back eventually.

Whether or not Shanny decides to keep CP as that back for 2010 remains to be seen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Good one from (and I agree with) Florio in his end of season power ra ... I can't say it:

26. Kansas City Chiefs (4-12) (Last week: 30). This team is a lot closer to not sucking than most people realize.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Shanny was a done deal in the last offseason....

Sherm Smith was direct order from Shanny...

Bruce Allen position, I have yet to figure out because of his excellent skills as a politician, he can mask the depth of his role easily.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

AGAIN... 10 years, one playoff win. That's Shanahan's record after Elway. Compare that to any other of your coach/QB combos.

And he managed that mediocrity in the AFC West. Not too impressive.

Care to explain? Anyone?

Why do I hear crickets chirping?

I know you guys WANT Shanahan to succeed. We all do. But pretending he's an slam-dunk is just silly. He's a contested three-pointer.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | January 5, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

2008 8-8 .500 (we've rarely been that)
2007 7-9 Breaking in Rookie QB
2006 9-7
2005 13-3 beat NE, lost to Pitt in Conf. Championship
2004 10-6 lost to Indy
2003 10-6 lost to Indy
2002 9-7
2001 7-9
2000 11-5 lost to Baltimore
1999 6-10 Rookie Greise

So let me get this straight, you're unhappy that with Griese, Plummer, and the human interception Cutler as his QBs he got to the playoffs 4 times, beat New England and had losses to Super Bowl Champs Baltimore, Indy, and Pitt? He ran a solid organization with consistently good offenses despite breaking in two mediocre QBs and maximizing a mediocre vet (Plummer). All of this accomplished without ever having the talent on defense he would inherit here. I say bring him on!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

brown,

I like you arguing on my side.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

redDMV

"I seen McCluster get the edge on more than a few dudes this past season. Spiller too."

I like both Spiller and McCluster.

But if Shanny is coming, then think back to the type of running game he featured in Denver.

His best backs?: Portis/T Davis.

Which back fits that mold?

Neither Spiller or McCluster does.

I think Allen might take a hard look at Tate-Auburn, Hardesty-Tenn, Best-Cali., Blount-Oreg., and Dwyer-GaTech.

Too, I think Mason will stay and be paired with that back as he has more true speed.

A big versitile back paired with a speed guy with improved blocking is what we all hope to see.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Anybody been watching JAcksonville or SD play lately? They have similar heighted RBs who play at pro bowl levels....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

MJD is 5-7 200 pounds. That's why he runs like he does. He's a freaking bowling ball with legs. He gets most of his yards after contact. His small compact frame together with his weight make him very tough to bring down.

Sproles just has speed but he can take a hit. He's still got 20 pounds on McCluster.

Some guys we could look at are:

Noel Devine. 5-8 175 low 4.3 speed could possibly be 4.2.

He's small but may be the next Sproles. I'd love to see him available in the 4th round.

Joe McNight 6-0 200 low 4.4ish

Has great measurables but supposedly isn't a great runner. He apparently lacks vision but maybe he could be coached into a being a better runner. He seems like a great candidate for a Shanahan type back.

LaMarcus Coker - 5-10 200 low 4.3 He's a bad boy but has great measurables. He could be a star or he could be the next Maurice Claurett. He's projected to go in the 5th. I'd take a 5th round gamble on him maybe even a 4th depending on his combine results. I'd love to see the bad boy duo here. If we're going to get some thugs let's not half ass it. Let's get Blount and Coker and a few of those ankle bracelets and see what happens.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"Folks talking about drafting a RB need to stop it. If Shanny is here, dude made 6th rounders into Pro-Bowlers. Load up on lineman and let the magic start."

Posted by: brownwood26


I hear that, so that's why I'm saying they shouldn't draft Spiller in the first -- which is where he's sure to go.

If Ryp is correct, and McCluster goes in the 3rd or 4th, I don't see how you past on the guy.
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And as far as durability, McCluster had 30+ carries in the Cotton Bowl, Ryp. Held up fine to the tune of 184 with two TDs, one was an 86 yard "chuckin the deuce" TD.

Ryp, McCluster has NFL speed, dude.

McCluster also has better receiving stats, mean that he's just as deadly, if not more than Spiller in open space.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

4th, where you gettin' the Sherm Smith from Shanny thingy?

I believe the timing was something like that, too, given the 980 reports at the bye.

Where does Bingo Lewis fit in all this?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 5, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen position, I have yet to figure out because of his excellent skills as a politician, he can mask the depth of his role easily.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

His role is this:

Snyder:"Hey Bruce, would I be full retard for giving this 32 year old free agent a GM bailout type contract?"

Allen:"With all due respect Mr. Snyder, that would be beyond full retard...perhaps even reaching into depths of stupidity humankind has not yet explored."

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Mason is Rock without the resume.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

First off, this team has talent...just not discipline. Allen isn't stupid. He got most of his biggest wins by NOT blowing up the team and starting over...by just adding a few critical pieces. Those betting on reverse psychology to up trade value of Campbell need to get their heads out of their a$$e$.

For QB, you either do one of three things next year:

1. Start over with a rookie that you draft. Not happening. That would constitute a 3 year minimum warm up period...essentially blowing up the offense. We have too much invested in the defense alone ($$$Hworth & Hall$$$) to blow up the whole team.

2. You get a good veteran QB to run the offense. OK...who? Who ranked higher than your current QB and is really going to come here for a 2 year deal while you warm up your rookie? Brees? Brady? Anyone in the top 16 qb's in the league? Coming here as a place holder? Not likely. Would you dump a decent girlfriend for a two year stint with Roseanne Barr while she's waiting for her true love to turn 18? Really, this is not an appealing situation for anyone with something to offer.

3. You keep the continuity of your current middle of the pack QB and put some better pieces around him. He's gotten better under the worst of circumstances, which points to the fact that he isn't the biggest problem. And that he is solving all the problems he has on his own.

Yeah, 3 makes sense to a thinking person. We don't have 53 draft picks. We're missing about the same number of players as we have draft picks. We need 3 offensive lineman, a free safety and a great WR to have a good shot at the post season. Sign Ganther to a 1 year deal and let Betts be the lead back (until he gets hurt).

Unless you are getting a guy like Drew Brees or Tom Brady, swapping a QB is usually admitting a rebuilding year.

Post season in 2010 - stick with Campbell.

Post season in 2011 - get a serviceable veteran QB.

Post season in 2013 - draft and start a rookie QB this year.


Those are the choices we have. And knowing Snyder, he's aiming at 2010 because 1, he's an impatient little runt and 2, he's losing the fan base.

This team needs to win now, or season tic holders will begin dropping like flies and those debt payments are going to start catching up to him. We're not at "project phase" for the franchise.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 5, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Brownwoodie..

JC is a Coach and GM killah ("retirer").

Gibbs would still be here if JC showed the ability Gibbs sold Snyder on for trading 3 picks and moving up to select him.. Remember JC was on a 0-5 losing streak in 2007 (Gibb's last year) until Collins came in and went 4-0 to the playoffs with the SAME receivers and OLine. That is when Gibbs knew he was in trouble. And Campbell continues to confirm this...
Nascar started looking real good again once Gibbs saw JC struggling in 07. The family emergency was "save face" for Joe and Dan. Gibbs was at a Nascar event one week after he left Ashburn.
If Zorn had showed progress with JC this year to a .500 or better record, Zorn would be here, still. Zorn pretty much pointed fingers at JC in a Sunday night interview (damned with faint praise)... probably stopped short when he remembered the gag rule in his Buy Out. And a .500 or better record, Vinny would probably still be here. (so, thank you for that, JC).

So, yeah a QB that has a 61.0 QB rating in the last 7 minutes of a game (see situational stats on NFL.com) and has never once in his career lead his team on a come from behind rally to win a game in the 4th Qtr.. (ie.. a final hail mary against SD, 20 yards out of bounds)..is lethal to the careers of Coaches and GMs. Especially when you give up a 1st, 3rd and 4th.. to select him in the Draft.
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Just keep in mind that JC is a coach killing, choker, loser.
Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 5, 2010 7:31 AM

What coach did he kill? Gibbs retired and Zorn sucked at just about every part of coaching there is. Look at his numbers and meet me in reality, dude.
Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 7:42 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Red - I believe you on the speed - I just wouldn't want him as high as top 2nd. And he might be able to be a feature back, but he'd definitely need to bulk up 20 pounds.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Jason Campbell with a dominant running game, and a solid offensive line? He could unleash some downfield beauties with classic 5 and 7 step drops.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 5, 2010 8:14 AM |

Guru- I was at the game Sunday in San Diego. Doesn't matter how much time he has or how many steps he takes on the drop, Jason Campbell is NOT an accurate passer. Long, short, flair -- didn't seem to matter.

Can't count the number of times a wide-open Santana Moss had to jump out of his cleats to save Campbell from another overthrow.

So while we're making changes here, let's "imagine" an upgrade at QB too.

Posted by: bones21 | January 5, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Vinny, "Don't fire me, let me quit!"

The Owner, "OK."

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:25 AM

I just don't think it went down like that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:30 AM

That's because I left out the full transcript:

The Owner, "I gave you the keys to the car and you drove it into a tree. I'm giving the keys to Shanahan and he doesn't want you touching the car (ooh, there, a little lower and to the right ...)"

Vinny, "Don't fire me, let me quit!"

The Owner, "OK ... and besides, Shanahan doesn't hate you like Schottenheimer did. If it doesn't work out, you can come back like you did when we sent Schottenheimer away."

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Flound - I think Zorn was a planned temp holdover irregardless of what he did these 2 years.

Snyder wanted Spagnoulo or some other guy I forgot who went deep in the playoffs. Snyder wantede Spags so bad he waited until AFTER the SB. When Spags regected Dans offer, they were stuck with their back up plan Fassal. Then I think Vinny and Dan heard the fans uproar AGAINST Fassal, so they threw in Zorn at the last minute.

Ofcourse, no one expected Zorn to be this awful, the fact of the matter is, this would have been his last year irregardless. And Cower/Shanny/Holgrem/Gruden would take over.

It got soo bad with Zorn, Danny was force to sacrifice Vinny to the fans.

Danny asked Shanny, who else he could work with, and possibly that's when BA came into the picture. Maybe Vinny's departure was going to happen either way.

But Vinny wasn't fired because of Zorn's performance. He was the sacrifice to the fans so they could get off Snyder's back...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd MOST DEFINITELY would go with Noel Devine from WVA

Forgot all about him...

Moe, Spiller kind of reminds me of a young Portis. Portis was shot to s_it when Gibbs tried to turn him into something that he wasn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I had to post because I am shocked at the ignorance of some of the posters here. We have people on here that are crying for Zorn someone even had the audacity to say they would have brought Zorn back for another year! Zorn lost 18 of his last 24 games people and he kept telling us that we were improving are you sjk kidding me? The guy didnt inspire a WINNING attitude. All that stay medium crap made me sick to my stomach. Anyone who doesnt realize Allen/Shanahan/Shanahan is a VAST improvement over Zorn/Cerrato is a fool. Will team Shanahan lead us to a Super Bowl? who knows but I can tell you one thing it will be a helluva lot better than the steaming pile they put on the field this season. We went 0-6 in the division 4-12 overall and people want Zorn back...

COME ON MAN!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | January 5, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
Guessing ShLewis was a "Shanny Spy" put in place to evaluate talent, etc.

Further guessing vinny giving him play calling duties was vinster's ham handed way of trying to save his own job... ingratiate himself with the new boss.

I have no basis in fact, but it does make sense.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I meant Sherm Lewis was direct order from Shanny (not Sherm Smith)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

"...I also didn't know that Texans were up that high on offense."


Bro', be a fan of the redskins and the league.

We face the AFC South next year, and you'll get to see A Johnson, M Williams, M Schaub, O Daniels, D Ryans, S Slaton up close.

The Texans, Titans, Colts are all serious teams.

They're a tougher challenge than the AFC West schedule we faced this past season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Skip Bayless just said on ESPN First Take that he thinks that Colt Brennan playing for Shanny will be tremendous and said that he thinks "Colt will be a star in Washington". God, I hope that's true...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Ofcourse I am not getting my theories from any news source as they don't know the truth.....I'm just going with how the flow of info is going....

Ofcourse this won't ever become public because it falls under 'colusion' and against the ethics of the NFL system/club....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Anybody catch the Fiesta Bowl last night* and salivate over both of those offenses taking so many shots down the field ... like a TON of 20-30-40 yard passes. That was what Jason Campbell used to be able to do in college.

* An otherwise PoS game for those of us taking the over at 54. Who knew that either of these teams had defenses?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah at a buck-65 he should consider adding about 15-20 pounds.

RE: Departure of Cerrato

Due to the relationship between Snyder and Cerrato, this is hardly a doubt in my mind that Snyder give him the classic departing ultimatum.

As stubborn as Cerrato is, I just don't see him accepting the fact that he wasn't and couldn't get the job done.

I really believe that you can charge the dismissal of the offensive line issue to him.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Russell Okung in the first and Jahvid Best in the second is still my dream draft at the moment.

1- Russell Okung LT - Oklahoma State
2- Jahvid Best RB - Cal
3- Jeremy Jarmon DE - supplemental draft
4- Brian Jackson CB - Oklahoma
5- Vladamire Ducasse OG - Umass
6- Pick sent to Miami
7- Jim Cordle C - Ohio State

Out of those picks... Okung and Best would have an immediate impact, Jarmon's already a contributor and I think Ducasse could also be a starter in his first or second season.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

How about the Skins trade the #4 to the Broncos for Marshall, and we'll throw in Scheffler as well.

You can have Marshall and his Terrell Owen's ways...

Posted by: BroncoDano | January 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Getting better under good circumstances shows you have an upside.

Getting better under the worst of circumstances is a bright flashing beacon of light saying you have an upside.

Campbell keeps getting better, under crappy circumstances. No line, shady receivers, no running game support, over matched coaching staff, lack of disciplined teammates and an offensive scheme that changes every year.

And his numbers keep going up.

Continuity and stability enhance a players growth. And we have neither.

And his numbers keep going up.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | January 5, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

How about the Skins trade the #4 to the Broncos for Marshall, and we'll throw in Scheffler as well.

You can have Marshall and his Terrell Owen's ways...

Posted by: BroncoDano

Un-book it, Dano!

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 5, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I meant Sherm Lewis was direct order from Shanny (not Sherm Smith)...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 10:48 AM

I don't think Shanahan had anything to do with Sherm Lewis. Sherm Lewis was Vinny using a Lifeline to Phone-A-Friend b/c Sherm Lewis has a very high percentage rate of scoring from the red zone ... which was the reason for the Skins' fail in the early part of the season. Even the worst game of the season (fans booing the Skins win over the Rams at 9-7) was b/c of points left on the field and exchange for Suisham FGs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I didn't get to see that Fiesta Bowl last night, were there any interesting prospects?

Some about TCU and Boise makes me go "meh".

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

How great is this irony? After fleecing the Redskins by stealing Champ Bailey and a draft pick for Clinton Portis, Mike Shanahan now ends up the coach of the team he fleeced with the lesser talent. How beautiful is that? Talk about Karma, talk about comeupance. Wow!

Posted by: dovelevine | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow...Skip Bayless just said on ESPN First Take that he thinks that Colt Brennan playing for Shanny will be tremendous and said that he thinks "Colt will be a star in Washington". God, I hope that's true...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I'd heard that in a couple of places as well, some chatter that Brennan's mobility, quick release, and accuracy are perfect for Shanny's system and that his weaknesses of overall arm strength and unusual delivery are minimized as the system isn't predicated on vertical passes and has a lot of designed rollouts and bootlegs so the passes won't be coming from the traditional pocket making the sidearm delivery not as big a deal in terms of passes being batted down. We'll see I guess, little premature to say he'll be a "star" but at least he might be able to get a real shot at an open competition.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

So, yeah a QB that has a 61.0 QB rating in the last 7 minutes of a game (see situational stats on NFL.com) and has never once in his career lead his team on a come from behind rally to win a game in the 4th Qtr...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 10:43 AM


First of all, you can't fault JC for what the Redskins gave up to get him. That's like saying Portis sucks because he wasn't worth Champ Bailey and a #2.

Second, don't keep holding 4th quarter stats against JC without taking EVERYTHING into account. Put a line in front of him comprised of more than an airport turnstile and actually let the guy not play from behind every week, and you'd be surprised what he could do.

Most of all, let's move off the JC topic for at least this week. We're in the midst of a coaching change, and you're still talking JC. Give the man an O-line, and THEN let's talk about whether the man can play or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Diesel,

So who do you want? Because he is one of the most qualified guys out there.

Based on your requirements, Cowher won't fit the bill, because with all that talent over 15 years, he only won one Super Bowl -and the man who replaced him won one almost right away.

Gruden? No way, he has only one title, with a team he didn't build.

I'm assuming at this point you would prefer an up and coming coach. Who do you have in mind?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | January 5, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

5- Vladamire Ducasse OG - Umass

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 10:53 AM

Ducasse plays tackle now. Also, no "e" at the end of his first name ... but I agree, Skins definitely need a Haitian lineman.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I like Bingo Lewis alot. I hope that's the thought pattern. It would be nice if some investigative group (hint hint, wink wink) could dig up anything on that...

Of course, I was clamoring for some dirt on the Shanny talk on 980 at the bye and no one picked that up either.... [:-|

I hope the Mayor is getting his well deserved rest - but I want me some skinny on my skins soon! hehehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Yea, yea, we get it. Shanahan never "won" anything without Elway (and by "won", we mean 4 playoff appearances and a AFC title game appearance with Jake Plummer doesn't count).

And Walsh never won anything without Montana.

And Holmgren without Favre.

And Dungy without Manning.

And Jimmy Johnson without Aikman (even with Marino).

And Gruden sucks because he could only win with the team Dungy built (but Dungy sucks because he couldn't win with them).

Cowher couldn't win without Roethlisberger.

Tomlin only won with the team Cowher built.

Parcells never won anything without Belichick running his defense.

Belichick never won anything without Tom Brady.

Billick was an offensive "mastermind" that rode Marvin Lewis' defense to a Super Bowl.

Marvin Lewis is still looking for his first postseason victory since 2001.

The lesson here: every coach in the history of the NFL sucks.

Except for one; Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dfbovey | January 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

My dream draft is:

1. Russel Okung
2. Ciron Black
4. Navarro Bowmen-wont fall this far
5. Legarret Blount-wont fall this far
7. Lemarcus Coker-wont fall this far

Realistically,

1. Russel Okung
2. Ciron Black
4. Legarret Blount
5. Lemarcus Coker
7. Vladimir Ducasse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

We'll see I guess, little premature to say he'll be a "star" but at least he might be able to get a real shot at an open competition.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM


Yeah, but if you've seen Skip Bayless's schtick, you know he almost entirely speaks in absolutes.

He had Dallas winning the division this year, so hopefully he's right about us too.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Anybody catch the Fiesta Bowl last night*

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

And who wouldn't play their hearts out for the honor of lifting this trophy?

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2010/01/04/23/0105sportsfiesta7sr.embedded.prod_affiliate.36.JPG

COME ON MAN!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 5, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"...Skip Bayless just said on ESPN First Take that he thinks that Colt Brennan playing for Shanny will be tremendous and said that he thinks "Colt will be a star in Washington".

Please.

I skip Skip Bayless as his reflections are as cheap as shoes purchased from Payless.

And what's "First Take" anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Granted that Mike and Bruce have had success in the past at aquiring key free agents, how well would these guys do in the draft this year. The key to rebuilding this team I believe resides in this years draft.

According to the NFL ths skins have the 4th pick in the 1st round of the draft and according the mock drafts out there the skins will pick a the (QB)and most likely Bradford if he is available. Quite frankly the skins need a new line, they need running backs. They will not be able to address all of their needs in with just 5 draft picks this year unless they move down and take more picks in the lower rounds.

With the possiblity of no CBA this year Mike and Bruce will struggle in getting key free agents. If they keep Jason will he be the starter or backup? I predict if they can get Bradford or Clausen in the first round and an O lineman in the second, I bet they deal away their last remaining picks in the 4th 5th and 7th to get the restricted free agents this year.

What concerns me is the fact that Bruce's history in the draft would suggest that he may not be well suited to spot the jewel in the rough or find undrafted guys who can play, they are out there the key is finding them. I just don't know if these guys can do that, the undrafted pool of guys out there will be KEY to finding and bringing hidden talent to this team. Its goind to be interesting to see what their draft strategy will be this year, they need to keep their picks and build slowly.

The absence of a Collective Bargining Agreement CBA thing is no joke and can present consideralble challenges to any team, especially a team like the Redskins who will be in overhall mode this offseason.

Posted by: 70chiponwhite | January 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

There is a recession on, Smack

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | January 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Cushing wins defensive rookie award in landslide
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 5, 2010 11:03 AM ET
Texans rookie linebacker Brian Cushing wasn't even always the most well regarded linebacker on the USC Trojans. Now he's been recognized as the best rookie defender in the entire league.

Cushing received 39 of a possible 50 votes to win the AP NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Tuesday. Bills safety Jairus Byrd finished second with six votes, while Cushing's college teammate Clay Matthews finished third with three votes. Redskins pass rush Brian Orakpo got two.

We're surprised at the margin of victory, but can't argue with the result. Cushing racked up 133 tackles, five sacks, four interceptions and forced two fumbles.

There were games, like the win in Cincinnati, that Cushing simply took over.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

if he'd been hand in the dirt all season like he should have been it would have been a different story!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

and beep

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 5, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

thanks for the advice mr. moe. but i don't have the time or the will to make time for the league. i personally (key word there) can't afford to as in (if i died today i doubt spending time watching tv would have accomplished much) spending more than 4-6 hours on sports each week.

but you, mr. moe, can aspire to be the next AMTTS (art monk to the sticks) that correctly predicted way before the draft that the skins will draft landry.

wish you all the best!

btw...i knew about andre johnson but i think the jury is still out about schaub? no?

also someone asked which backup last week after i suggested that skins pick up a backup from one of the teams...and i said i don't know cuz it's not my job to know. but i think the chargers backup did well against the skins starting D than JCamp did against their 2nd and 3rd string D. No?

Posted by: dealer1 | January 5, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Brian Cushing ... DROTY.

Orakpo....2 votes.

Posted by: swowra | January 5, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

brownie..it was a reply to your posting..
So, I am all for moving on.. Hope JC does too.
But.. before I do.. your comment about an OLine in front of him.. Recall the Gints game when JC went out and Collins came in for 4 plays... Collins throws 2 completions for 57 yards (more than JC had done the entire half) and the 3rd pass was dropped by Davis 2 yards before the endzone.
All this with the same personnel (OLine and WRs) that JC had.
If JC stays.. the best thing for him in 2010 is if Shanny forces him to compete for his job during the regular season. He never has.. In the preseason when he was competing..he showed far more drive and accuracy.. Otherwise, he seems to get complacent and comfortable losing every Sunday.
++++++++++++++++++++++++


So, yeah a QB that has a 61.0 QB rating in the last 7 minutes of a game (see situational stats on NFL.com) and has never once in his career lead his team on a come from behind rally to win a game in the 4th Qtr...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 10:43 AM


First of all, you can't fault JC for what the Redskins gave up to get him. That's like saying Portis sucks because he wasn't worth Champ Bailey and a #2.

Second, don't keep holding 4th quarter stats against JC without taking EVERYTHING into account. Put a line in front of him comprised of more than an airport turnstile and actually let the guy not play from behind every week, and you'd be surprised what he could do.

Most of all, let's move off the JC topic for at least this week. We're in the midst of a coaching change, and you're still talking JC. Give the man an O-line, and THEN let's talk about whether the man can play or not.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 10:58 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 5, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Shanahan had anything to do with Sherm Lewis. Sherm Lewis was Vinny using a Lifeline to Phone-A-Friend b/c Sherm Lewis has a very high percentage rate of scoring from the red zone ... which was the reason for the Skins' fail in the early part of the season. Even the worst game of the season (fans booing the Skins win over the Rams at 9-7) was b/c of points left on the field and exchange for Suisham FGs.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2010 10:57 AM


Sweeny...Sherm Lewis has been retired over 2/3 years. Vinny nor Zorn know him from anywhere. And Vinny can just pick up the phone and ask Lewis to come work as a consultant in an unfamiliar division?

That's the biggest bullcrap ever.

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 5, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The lesson here: every coach in the history of the NFL sucks.

Except for one; Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Well, there is that Lombardi guy, but I guess he sucks because he didn't take the Redskins to the Super Bowl in his only year in Washington.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | January 5, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

There were reports in the news last summer when Brandon Marshall was having problems with McDaniels that Shanahan was considering getting rid of him at the end of the season before he got fired. If true I wouldn't count on seeing Marshall in DC anytime soon.

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And what's "First Take" anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 11:08 AM


Formerly known as "Cold Pizza". Don't worry, you're not missing anything.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Colt get a chance? JC17 in college had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Wiliams(who both went in the top 5 of the 05 draft).

Colt only has like a billion NCAA passing records. He did this at Hawaii...yeah,yeah the system, who cares. It's football, you throw a ball at a moving target, and Colt is pretty good at that. plus I don't think he will be a tackling dummy. Would love to see him start.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Lynch was right about Shanahan's problems on defense. Who he brings in as D-coordinator will be huge. Shanahan had a pretty sorry history with FA defensive players as well, Lynch himself was only good for a year or two, then there were a bunch of d-lineman failures, letting Trevor Pryce and Bertrand Berry walk and replacing them with castoffs from Cleveland among others.

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

And what's "First Take" anyways?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 11:08 AM


Formerly known as "Cold Pizza". Don't worry, you're not missing anything.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

A show for people without jobs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

All the Shanahan haters we hear you. Can you stop dwelling on it though please. Stop peeing on our corn flakes?

I will go with the former players and ESPN "experts" that speak very highly of him. Not people posting on a blog nit picking the stats like you could with any great coach.

The guy won in a very tough league. He took Plummer deep into the playoff's. That's amazing. He turned pretty much every running back into success. Look at Portis before the Redskins and then after? That is all I need to know. Can we move on now? We hear you. You think Shanahan sucks. By your logic so does every other coach ever other than Parcells and Gibbs. Sorry if that logic is annoying the 7013850158105th time you say it. THANKS!

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

And I've seen enough "inacutate" spelling in my life.

He's obviously no Drew Brees, but I have a hard time calling a career 61.2% passer(and 64.5% this year) inaccurate. Just sayin'...
Posted by: brownwood26
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Yeah but since 77% of his passes are under 10 yards.. not sure him hitting 61% percent of them means as much as a guy who throws the ball down field.. Just saying...

Posted by: sovine08 | January 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I noticed two of the best young CB's in the NFL were drafted by Allen. Talib and Asomugha.

I think the Skins badly need CB's so glad he will be picking them.

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 5, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If we don't keep Campbell, I would be happy giving Colt a season to prove himself as well. Colt is the prototypical gunslinger that Shanny likes.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | January 5, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

When I hear people wanting to either: a) Draft Tim Tebow. or B)Pin any hopes on Colt Brennan....I just quit reading.

It would be great if Colt Brennan ever develops into a servicable NFL QB. Heck, I'm hoping he does. But people, that is a longshot. Probably never going to happen. Accept that. Let it be the pleasant surprise it will be to nearly every talent evaluator in the NFL that passed on the guy six times.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Campbell has no long ball at all. I do not understand this love affair with the guy. Rodgers was sacked too but look at his numbers. Campbell looks like a deer in headlights. He cannot make a quick decision. He has the toughness to take the hit but not the nerves to play well under pressure. He doesn't feel pressure making the o-line look worse than it is. He has had long enough to prove himself. The excuses are old. Hell Collins comes in cold and can hit the WR's that were OPEN ALL SEASON!!! He was behind the same O-line people!

Campbell needs to be moved for picks. I am glad to see them talk Campbell up. Will help get a higher pick. If the Skins are stick with Campbell again they better be able to run the hell out of the ball.

Posted by: Mike4169 | January 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

7. Vladimir Ducasse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2010 11:03 AM

I've seen this name as high as low 1st round. As someone mentioned he plays guard and tackle and has a mean streak. Only knock is his experience in football.

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Those comments about JC - Allen's comments - sounds like a sales pitch.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Huh? You just had Jim Zorn as a coach and you're complaining about Shanahan as a possible replacement. One is a real NFL coach and the other is a wanna be NFL coach. I don't believe you people sometimes.

Regarding Jason Campbell: If his hot read is open he does a fairly good job of hitting it. On long passes he has consistency issues. If he has to work through his progressions and his outlet is to his left and he has to go to it 9 chances out of 10 he throws the ball high (mechanics issues). He misses open stuff a lot. If you're willing to live with that mediocrity then he's your guy.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | January 5, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

In other words, when Shanahan says, "Stay medium," does he mean it?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2010 8:46 AM

If Shanny or any coach uses the word "MEDIUM", they need to be shown the door with a don't let it hit you in the a?? on the way out.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | January 5, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Can you imagine Jason Campbell with a dominant running game, and a solid offensive line? He could unleash some downfield beauties with classic 5 and 7 step drops."

........................................

Too bad those downfield beauties would miss their targets by about ten yards.

Posted by: thegreatgrexican | January 5, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

To all of the chuckleheads that point out Shanny only won the big one with Elway, you're looking at it wrong. Reeves had Elway and couldn't manage to win the big one. But Shanny did.

Posted by: shanks1 | January 5, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The six questions Redskins Nation should be asking...http://www.turnersportsdesk.com/2010/01/Six-questions-Redskins-Nation-has-for-Shanahan.aspx

Posted by: A-Contrario | January 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Draft Mark Ingram with the #4 pick and draft 6 offensive linemen after that.

Posted by: JS12 | January 5, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan isn't as old as I thought he was, so maybe in 4-5 years he can assemble a winning team...

Posted by: ozpunk | January 5, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

For us who want to knock Shanahan about not winning without elway, there are only a hand full of coaches in history that won superbowls with multiple QB's. Parcells, Gibbs, thats it. So why should we hold him to that standard?

Posted by: ged0386 | January 5, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

um, yeah, by far the dumbest thing said here today was "takeaway his 2 superbowl seasons and he isn't even a very good coach."

OK, so by that standard, eliminating any coaches two best seasons, and you don't have many great coaches in the NFL, ever. Of course, remove his two worst seasons as well, and the average of the remaining seasons is well over 500, as the lowest remaining full season is 8-8.

However, it really gets interesting (pointless) if you remove his two most average seasons as well, and divide the result by the number of seasons remaining... balance the equation and you have 42.

Look it's bad enough sportscasters fill the air with this kind of blather (never won a Sunday game, outside, where 3 quarters of the fans have IB) but let's not bring that kind of nonsense here to the chat... ;)

Posted by: gconrads | January 5, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, when Mr. Cerrato resigned, how many here wrote, "This is the greatest day of my life." And in the days leading up to Mr. Zorn's firing, wrote "This will be the greatest day of my life." And when Mr. Allen was hired and named as general manager, wrote, "This is the greatest day of my life."

Now they've got their wishes and had their greatest days; now that Redskins ownership is looking to make changes, it's interesting how many people are complaining about the possible selection of Mr. Shanahan.

You sure can't please people around here, can you? Even after giving them the greatest days of their lives.

dungarees@gmail.com

Posted by: Dungarees | January 5, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse


Number of blogs is over whelming.
Looking at the time they are written when quite a few are only a minute apart and some are at the same time.
Quite an interest in what may be happening at the Redskins!!

Posted by: 68b2b | January 5, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It is fair to say Shanny never won without Elway. It is also fair to say Elway never won the big one until Shanny came along, way into his career.

Posted by: shawn093 | January 5, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

You ask how an Allen - Shannahan team would work in picking a roster. Simple. The GENIUS would shave the heads of Allen and Shannahan, daub each in olive oil and rub vigorously conjuring the ghost of the late George Allen.

And you call yourself a reporter!

Posted by: atidwell | January 5, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

i am tired of hearing how shanahan hasn't won without john elway. There aren't many coaches who have one with mediocre quarterbacks, the only one that really comes to mind to me was Joe Gibbs. This argument isn't even close to fair, you expect a guy to win with brian griese or jake plummer. You gotta be kidding me. Shanahan is a significant improvement and the mindset he will bring to this team let alone his scheme he will be bringing as well will change the culture around here.

Posted by: SkinsRealist1 | January 5, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse


It's just another reorg in a "lost decade" for this team. No change will work under current ownership. Reskins fans are destined for more doomed seasons, followed by months of "analysis" . . .

Posted by: kenhyde | January 5, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

no salary cap in the NFL next season will cost dan Snyder million$$.... Shanahan & bruce Allen will quickly be exposed as idiots...after the Redskins outspend every other NFL team by $38,000,000 (on over priced free agents like fat albert haynesworth) and then still only manage to win 6 games next season.

Shanahan is a woeful GM....and bruce allen is another puppet GM (like cerrato).

the existing salary cap saved Snyder millions, by preventing dan Snyder from signing more washed up free agents like Bruce Smith, mark brunnell, jayson taylor, adam archuletta, Deion Sanders, and Jeff George.

dan Snyder will soon be able to spend as freely as he wishes...which will cost snyder million$ in payroll expenses...& it will cost dan snyder the little dignity he has left.

Posted by: jrebstock | January 6, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

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